I think one thing the guy that said "putting the lore in the books isn't bad" kinda missed is the fact that, usually, when you shove lore that is relevant to a game into a book, the average player would NOT go out of their way to read a book for lore. Not only cuz its a paywall but the experience is entirely different. On top of that, FNAF books aren't like other games where they write novels telling you about canon events, FNAF books are/were not 1 to 1 with the game story which makes the paywall worse since buying a book without a guarantee for the correct lore is a gamble that only the most hardcore of fans would be willing to take
I agree. The problem is less that the idea of FNAF books is inherently bad, but more that splitting it across multiple different mediums makes things more convoluted and difficult to follow. If FNAF were just a book series, that'd be fine. If FNAF were just a game series, that'd be fine. But having both exist at the same time and tell slightly different versions of the same story that are apparently meant to leapfrog and build off each other just makes things way more complicated. It gets to the point where you can't just enjoy the games anymore, you have to basically do homework and read books/listen to audiobooks just to get plot points that could've been explained in-game. It's like how after Kingdom Hearts 2, the games were split between five different consoles, never numbered, and were all set in completely random points in the timeline and expanded on things that didn't need to be expanded on - it just ended up creating a huge mess that made an already overcomplicated story basically impossible to follow without a fan wiki to untangle all the spaghetti.
You have it right on the nail by saying that average players aren’t gonna go outta their way to read these. I personally just see frights and tales as their own little thing that just has a lot of overlap with the games, and gives some lore. But still within their own thing. I feel like there would be a massive problem if your keeping important lore in books, and don’t get it into the games. Personally I don’t think their doing that right now. But we’ll see for sure lol. Btw love your Ran pfp!
I agree with this mostly! This was actually my hot-take I had posted, mostly about the Tales books being basically required reads if you want to personally discover the lore in SB. I think that it was one thing when Scott used outside media like the Logbook to give us the name Cassidy. Cassidy as a name is important yes, and it was an amazing discovery for the fandom within an outside FNAF media. But for the games to lack the lore (at least it feels that way) and depend on these books is just an even bigger paywall like you said. At this point I would have just bundled SB with the Tales books. Idk.. but from a lore/theory standpoint I hope in the future, we get WAY more concrete lore and story in-game, as opposed to outside media like the books.
My mindset is moreso "this is the cards we were dealt, might as well use them". I know it's not healthy to have that mindset in regards to locking lore behind paywalls. However, when you have youtubers like MatPat or Fuhnaff who just retell the events of the books for us for free, it's hard for me to care.
For the whole Micheal isn’t in Pizza Sim, I think since there was an exit for the person hired, I think Henry was just looking for anyone to run the pizzeria and bring in the scrap animatronics. When Henry saw Micheal apply he decided to put him to rest as well.
Unless Henry was just projecting his own feelings on an innocent person in that final speech. He is the guy who captured what had his daughter’s soul in it and then proceeded to torture and subdue it in the form of Lefty.
@@cleaveuntome42No. You are wrong. I’m the completion ending henry says “the darkest pit of hell has opened to swallow you whole, so don’t keep the devil waiting, old friend” This implies that Henry knew William killed Charlie, AND that he was scraptrap. He also says “although there was a way out planned for you,” to Michael because he didn’t expect Michael to even apply. And if he wanted William why would he want William (the guy who killed his charlie) to escape the fire? That literally defeats the whole purpose of him saying “The darkest pit of hell has opened” if he was just going to let him escape a minute later.
@@Muddler182 to clarify. How does he know aftom became scrap trap? I thought: Afton Kills Charlie -> Henry gets sad and leaves -> some time later william is hidden away behind a wall that no one looked for.
I was gonna clarify my side more ... but I was listening and realized "its a prerecorded message" .... so yeah maybe he knew which idk how he found out about scraptrap if william was behind secret door till fnaf 3 and no body was found. ...mystery!?!?
I'm gonna be frank, if Scott just came out and gave the most satisfactory conclusion to the lore that he could muster, people would still not accept it, because it's simply too late. The movie is obviously going to go a completely different route with the lore, while still keeping the basic characters. Also my mild hot take is that Scott should have stuck to making games like the desolate hope. He loves sci-fi a lot, and it shows.
I feel like Scott kind of said that with the box is FNAF 4. How the community wouldn't be happy if he gave a final conclusion for the series with the game.
If he stuck with making games like desolate hope he would (sadly) be poor, still working two jobs and feeling like all his efforts and time on his previous projects and being christian were for nothing
@@GabrielPiardi I don't necessarily agree. Saying he'd be poor is too drastic, as he still has a family and likely, if the games didn't pan out like say, FNAF, he would still get a job. When I say like the desolate hope I don't mean free or anything like that. Just not horror or interconnected stuff that has a ton of speculation. Just a solid sci-fi story with good graphics, which he's proved he's more than capable of doing.
@@Itariatan I understand. It just wouldn't have made a lot of money and wouldn't be popular. And as he said himself "Fnaf was gonna be my last game" so he probaly wouldn't keep doing games. Also sorry if my english is bad
My hot take is that the series is hurting itself by refusing itself the traditional “Sherlock Holmes explains the crime to the police” moment. In writing a mystery that’s not meant to be solvable they are deliberately writing clues that don’t line up together. And actually giving us the answers would allow them to set in stone what did and did not happen and what cards are actually on the table for the future so they can actually write a quality horror-mystery going forward. The series was its most fun when it felt like there was a solution and now it feels like there never will be.
The help wanted games would have been the best place to do this as the premise is Fazbear's attempt to discredit the events as some insane persons made up stories so clarifying what's story beats people should be considering and which elements to drop going forward using the unreliable narrator trope would prevent a build up of red herrings that will be twisting what's actually happening in these games.
The irony is that Arthur Conan Doyle killed Sherlock, but the people were so outraged that he had to keep his creation alive.. Afton isn't that much of a great character, he was just mysterious at the beginning, but the whole "immortality" plot was really awful.. I mean, he's not like Ganondorf who survived centuries throught magic. He could be nicer like in Wind Waker.
@@QueSeraSeraaaa I’m talking about at the end of each book’s individual mystery/plot. The Sherlock novels didn’t have an overarching mystery across all of them.
@@jennifergriel861 Sherlock goes straight-forward, Afton just remained the same character without developpment. He was always shown as evil throught the franchise without breaks.
At least give in-universe theories and such which would give explanations why some things don't add up. Maybe the police have files on the MCI, and for incidents after that (because the incident was so public and details don't line up) they think that the culprits behind the later ones were copycat criminals
Here's not so much a hot-take but rather something that they should've done in SB. They should've made it so that the animatronics slowly lose their personality and become more blatant killers throughout the game. (Hear me out) This is assuming that the robots are more characterized at the beginning of the game. I'd imagine that Gregory actually meets the glamrocks before they became eerie. Then, as you progress through the game, they slowly lose themselves to the virus until they've completely transformed into a killing machine. It would be subtle. They act a little out of character here, they do something that they otherwise wouldn't do there. Then it gets worse. Then it gets *really* worse. They start threatening Gregory with phrases like "nobody will miss you" and "I bet you don't even have friends." It would be like seeing a loved one slowly devolve into a monster.
Apparently that's kind of what happened in the books Gregory just wasn't there the witness it or at least not game Gregory I agree they should have expanded on it more granted might have the problem of sympathising too much but it would definitely make the virus / glitch trap just more terrifying
If we're really going to forgive the glamrocks' behaviour based on mentality and dialogue I feel like Chica is probably the most forgivable. As has been pointed out, Roxy is constantly belittling Gregory with very few lines of encouraging him to come out. Which also doesn't make sense for an animatronic built to entertain and interact with kids. Just makes it look like she's bad at her job. Monty on the other hand seems to be fighting between acting friendly to coax a lost kid out and genuinely getting frustrated because he was already in a bad mood and now he has to go out of his way to find someone who keeps escaping. His dialogue and actions don't line up but it is somewhat understandable, even if that may not have been the intention. Meanwhile Chica is primarily acting in the interest of turning Gregory over the Vanessa, her dialogue consisting of either promising Gregory food and sweets as a reward, or acting in obligation to a higher authority. I feel like that makes it all the more jarring when she does kill you, thus a better indication of the glitch taking over. Aside from Freddy who has the advantage of safe mode, Chica gives the impression of being the best intentioned of the glamrocks. Her more outwardly obedient nature (aside from eating garbage) feels like it could give more insight into what her personality was supposed to be, but she gets shafted so bad. So much of the personality we do get of Chica and Monty specifically come from headcanons based on the potential fans see in them, rather than the game itself. Also, why is it when Cassie gives Chica her voice box the first thing she thinks to say is "I smell pizza"? They really couldn't be bothered to give her a single moment of depth in her last moments with a voice? And yes, she is my favourite, always has been.
Maybe it's just me being biased towards Chica but I hate how many portrayals of her canon or fanon boil her down to her gluttony. And now that you pointed this out, I wish they did more with Glamrock Chica.
@@vivifoxysdaughterandchild544 I've heard in the case of the GR an interpretation where each animatronic represents different sides of the lifestyle. Chica's supposed to be a representation of eating disorders, namely ones like bulimia. I like the idea but the game doesn't do enough to support her case like they do with Roxy and (arguably) Monty.
I disagree on Micheal not being at FFPS, since Henry says “I have a feeling you are right where you want to be”, I don’t think it would make sense if it was someone else who was probably still fully alive to want to stay there
@@Mandalore_ultimate Michael may not be gone dead Security breach was built over FNAF locations and fnaf 6 scraptrap William Michael Henry Charlie Elizabeth ect also Michael glamrock Freddy says I'M NOT ME that is the opposite of its me golden Freddy also Michael and Henry never possessed any animatronic in the games and Michael could possessed glam-rock Freddy or Michael and Henry and Charlie ect could possessed the blob also Vanessa last name starts with an a? Afton Abby.
I think the core of the issue with Gregory is that the cut up plot and quests paint him in a worse light than I think the devs intended. People don't hate him out of nowhere. Freddy directly states that the other bots are his friends and that something must be wrong, and that he cares about their safety, and Gregory ignores his sentiments and lies to him about destroying them and installing their parts onto him, instead of talking to him to find a solution to the problem and get to the bottom of what is causing them to act strangely. (You know, like puzzles and mysteries to be solved in some kind of puzzle-y, explore-y game with mysteries, but what do I know?) The dialogue sort of implies that there was supposed to be either a follow-up conversation between the two, or a payoff to Greg installing infected parts onto his friend that was initially safe. His actions weren't supposed to be without consequence, and it would have paid off in a way that still kept him likeable. Gregory isn't the spawn if Satan or anything, but the way the game went out of it's way to set up the animatronics to be more like people than in any other game, and then had Gregory brush off his friend's request to save his other friends, and then twist the knife on them despite being directly told that they were dear to his friend felt very...weird, and I'm not surprised people disliked him more than I did after that. Ruin highlighted this further by having Cassie be more avoidant of/helpful to the animatronics, and I've been wondering if that was meant as a course correction. They even added that VR poster of Gregory drying her tears. I think his portrayal in the base game was partially a mistake, and they attempted to fix it. He even gives an overly apologetic speech before he drops Cassie down the elevator shaft. They knew they couldn't have him pull that off without people pinning him as a potential villain at this point.
I definitely think cutting the Shattered Freddy segment, where we see Glamrocks tearing Freddy apart while Gregory deals with the outcome of it, kind of screwed Gregory's character. That was the moment that would've brought reality to the situation.
i mean?he only realy attacked and lied about chica?in the roxy case he was right,it was an accident, roxy jumped in front of his kart, and he attacked monty in self-defence and did not say anything about to freddy- and its an good reminder that cassie ALSO "killed" monty
@@GabrielaLima-vi4ox You're missing my point. My point is that the hamstrung gameplay and story gave him characterization he was never meant to have, and the devs attempted to fix that in Ruin. Him weaseling around telling Freddy what really happened and ignoring his request to not be given their parts is what makes people sour on him. Those were completely within his control. His comeuppance for that was cut, making him look meaner than intended. And again, their destruction also would not have been as bad a look if they had not been established as more person-like than previous animatronics. The first time the player is allowed to destroy animatronics on screen in this series is with ones that are shown to be more like people than machines, and with another friendly character begging you not to do it. That's going to make some people raise an eyebrow. Greg read the notes about how the animatronics behave around certain stimuli, as well. He read that Chica likes Monty mix and jumps into the trash compactor after it. He read that Roxy jumps onto the raceway while cars are on it. He read about Monty constantly going onto the catwalks. That's how he knew how to break them. The devs seemed to have noticed this and immediately set to making Cassie more careful around the bots in her gameplay, and added in backstory and dialogue showing Gregory being more kind and caring. He wasn't meant to be a flawless victim fighting for his life. He was meant to be a likeable and naive kid who accidentally found out that the robots were a bit more feeling than he initially expected.
hi !!! :O) i'm not sure if it was my comment that started the discussion but i'm glad someone is bringing this up,, you've had some really great points and i absolutley agree that they did put gregorys character in a very unintentionally bad light,, i also think he was supposed to be just as likable as cassie perhaps,, i think a lot of the games less likable writing quirks can absolutely be chocked up to the production,, which is something i feel like a lot of fans either choose to haphazardly glue together without all the missing pieces and try to create literally anything sort of coherent,, or other fans just kinda ignore their least favorite details and enjoy whatever semi-linear head canoned plot they made up,, the way i intended my original comment to come across,, was that i interpretted gregory's behavior based on the fact that he's been fending for himself on the streets taking everything he can get to protect himself and survive,, and like you couldn't possibly expect a PARENTLESS child to automatically respect and trust an animatronic bear he seemingly just used as a crawl space to hide in,, i don't think gregory has a well put together personality because security breach as a mess,, a lot of what i've been saying is based on the inference that gregory's history with the pizza plex is based SOLELY on the fact that he needs food,, water,, and shelter,, and that the pizza plex happened to be close by,, and being a kid he was able to just sort of sneak in,, especially because as you could perhaps imagine,, he might be a bit of a sneaky kid,, to be able to get away with that if that's why he IS there in the first place,, either way,, i feel gregory was dealt an unfair hand in both the world he's in and the world where we watch his experiences on screen,, @@ShrapnelStars
ever since i saw your video about the shattered freddy ending i've thought about it so so much,, it's genuinely my favorite ending,, and i say this as someone who's favorite is in fact glamrock freddy,, he's so important to me
My hot take that I've been waiting for a chance to share: Michael getting his skin worn + decaying is an even better body horror moment to me than the springlock failure.
Especially because his neighbors saw him decay. No one saw afton except the kids who already knew what was happening. The neighbors had no context. They were probably scarred for life.
My hot take: Sometimes ignoring canon for the sake of a better story is fine. The FNAF story is so messy and full of contradictions, retcons, and unresolved plot threads that filling in the gaps and trimming off the excess is necessary for telling an actual story. Just because something doesn't entirely line up with what we know/assume to be true doesn't mean it's bad. Do the details we have imply that Cassidy is the most likely candidate for the "vengeful spirit" that's torturing William in UCN? Yes. Do I think it's more interesting to think it's Evan(the crying child, I know it's not confirmed but this kid is relevant enough that he deserves a name), because then his tormentor is someone personally connected to him instead of just another one of his list of victims? Also yes. Does it make sense that a stinking, rotting, somehow still alive and kicking corpse like post-scooping Michael Afton would be hired for multiple security jobs in the same company he's been fired from multiple times? No. Is it more interesting if most of the protagonists are Michael rather than an assorted cast of one-and-done nobodies? Yes. Do we have any reason to assume that William only started killing after Evan's death? No, he could have been killing at any time. But is it more interesting if we assume that it was his son's death that lead to him becoming a serial killer, likely to bring his son back? Absolutely. We've reached the point where, at least in my opinion, we will likely never "solve" this story. There are always going to be loose threads and details that may or may not be relevant anymore that muddy the waters. I'm more interested in trying to interpret the story in a way that's interesting and makes sense from a story telling perspective, rather than one that's 100% accurate to what we've been told.
>Do the details we have imply that Cassidy is the most likely candidate for the "vengeful spirit" that's torturing William in UCN? Yes. I will ALSO note, if you connect the dots... We even know WHY Cassidy would be The Vengeful Spirit, when the others arent. She was shoved in a *Springlock Suit,* one of the most horrific slow agonizing deaths one could suffer, and if you believe the DCI happened... William then WORE her for ANOTHER set of murders, forced to watch it happen again from HIS PoV this time. On top of being murdered, i think that'd be pretty solid justification for "Fuck You in Particular".
I don't find Roxy inconsistent. Just because she's nasty to Gregory doesn't mean she has to be a meanie to every child she meets. If we see her as a bully, well, bullies have friends, too. They don't bully everyone they meet, just those they perceive as weaker - and not even all of them, necessarily. Personally, I didn't interpret her as a bully any more than all the other animatronics are. Almost everyone (other than Glamrock Freddy) is trying to kill the player in every game. A few mean voice lines before she STRAIGHT UP MURDERS YOU doesn't make her worse, imho.
I agree with this. Especially considering that her programming probably wouldn't allow her to insult guests normally. Then again, technians are frustrated that Glamrock Chica eats garbage, so how much of the animitronics' personalities evolve is up to debate.
Also, to be fair, I feel like her voice lines in the base game are more for herself than anything...like, she's pretty much confirmed to have self esteem issues, isolating herself in a bubble of praise because she's worried that she, in reality, just isn't good enough So imagine being her, being given the task of getting rid of some kid that snuck into the Plex, and watching as he basically dances around you through the entire place, just about kills your friends, runs you over, and takes your eyes-
A few hot takes: I firmly disagree with the idea that every choice scott makes in his games are intentional. Specifically all the theories to do with colours, especially with earlier fnaf. Colours of text and clothes have sometimes been so relied upon in theories but i think some (if not, most) connections were entirely accidental and, contrastly, disconnections with colours as well (take the pink guy vs purple guy issue way back). Also I think the story of fnaf has been changed a few times due to popular theories matching too close with the intended story so alterations were made just to not appeal to expectations. This could be why fnaf has become so convoluted over time. Lastly, fnaf world is a great game 😌
I remember in that Dawko interview with Scott years ago, he was asked to give credit to at least 1 of MatPats theories. His response was "MatPat was right about the contents of the Fnaf 4 box changing over the years". Scott's implying that yes, the story has undergone retcons over the years. I think your second take could be correct.
Actually the story(apparently) hasn’t been changed that much according to Scott. Saying there’s only been two big retcons and that’s about it. I don’t think he fully plans everytning ahead but I do think he has a rough outline
Agreed. Especially now with Ruin. I fully believe that hot take that Ruin was simply a response to fans more than actual attempts to follow continuity.
I say this as a self-identified loremaster and someone who considers this series to be their favorite of all time: I hate the lore, I hate the direction it's going, and I hate the people that insist it's all a part of a grand plan and has always been planned and is exactly as it should be. I laugh at anyone who tells me honestly that Scott knew exactly where he was taking the series with Fnaf 4. I laugh at anyone who tells me, honestly, they think Sister Location's Schrödinger's timeline placement is a natural conclusion of an intricately laid out chain of cause and effect. And I _loathe_ anyone who tells me the lore's increasing emphasis on putting in random, brand new details and following them for just long enough to get fans invested before discarding them when Scott gets bored as opposed to telling a compelling story is anything other than utter, fucking, hogwash. ... I'm passionate about this series, okay!
Hard agree with 17:05. Monty and Chica deserved better for real. Freddy and Roxy feel like people, because they're given a chance to flesh out their personalities through diologue. Monty and Chica just feel like animatronics with a single personality trait gimmick (eating trash and being angry respectively) Also yes, I wouldn't want Bonnie to be gone forever, but Monty just works SO WELL for the theme of SB. What's more 80's than an ALLIGATOR WITH SUNGLASSES?
exactly monty was done dirty! he didnt get to say anthing in ruin when his voice was never damaged and he is just reduced to being an animal and chica is just there you can cut here out completely and replace her with eclipse and nothing would change!
While I agree giving GR Chica and Monty more personality, Maybe a chance to come back for later games to help flesh them out and giving them a chance to have the same level of fan stardom as GR Freddy and Roxanne. But I will die on the hill of THANK FUCK they cut GR Chica's valley girl lines. Maybe it's just me but that is probably the worst accent I've ever heard. And you expect to give it to a HORROR game enemy? Fucking *WHAT?*
I agree very much! Monty and Chica deserve so much better! Hopefully if they're planning more DLC or more chapters for Ruin, I hope their personalities get fleshed out more and hopefully they get redemption arcs too like Roxy, Maybe not Monty because he's probably dead but Idk, I don't think it would be fair if Freddy, Roxy and Eclipse get to be the only good guys.
I think the Pizza Sim job listing was intended for William. Henry probably didn't know William was dead until a mangled Spring Bonnie suit with an adult-sized corpse in it showed up. If William has been missing for years, the easiest way for Henry to lure him out of hiding is with the promise of running another Freddy's establishment.
@@sworishinahe definitely says “there WAS a way out planned for you”. And if the goal was to get William and let him go, who is he telling to go to hell?
@@sworishina that just sounds like you’re fitting information into your own personal theory. There’s no direct evidence to support the escape was made only after Mike was hired
My hot take that I got from this video is that DeeDee is necessary to ultimate custom night for the fear factor alone. The panic that sets in trying to figure out who was added whilst still juggling the already active animatronics is great, without her the nights would become tedious once you’ve found your balance, DeeDee brings that necessary spice back into the night just when you’ve gotten comfortable.
@@Megajaybreaker4 like i said. you should just be ABLE to disable her. you shouldnt have to get a random chance item to do so. she should be like any of the other characters
My main hot take is I am kind tired of people treating William Afton as some sad, misunderstood man who loved and cared about his kids, or how he only turned evil because of grief and tragedy. People treat this as though this is his canonical origin story because of MatPat.
Ya I think William is evil villain bad could be but insane and broken some to but we don't know William could have went insane broken depressed because of the loss of his two kids and maybe wife like Henry did he went insane after losing his kids and all william not the only one that is not perfect or bad here Michael Elizabeth Ennard that possessed by soul and Henry missing children they all have killed somebody and all sinners and all killer just like William and they all have committed crimes and they're all not perfect just like William there all bad in there own ways also William purple guy 👾 is my favorite character he remind me of slashers ghostface Michael Myers Jason Voorhees ect some villains can be broken and also insane to William ghostface is the man behind the slaughter and I think Elizabeth afton is evil like her father to me daughter and father partner-in-crime.
You can thank Matpat for that,since in his timeline,he thinks that Afton is like this,tragic character instead of like a psychopath I stopped believing in everything he said after he said in a video that Michael is a Emily instead of a Afton
MatPat doesn't spin him as a sympathetic character though. He says so himself, he wants to explain motivation, not justify the characters actions. MatPat has gone on record saying he doesn't like characters not having clear motives.
@@Dav458 You know he only presented that as a possibility, but never actually went through with it? This is such a gross misrepresentation of the things MatPat says in his videos. He still 100% portrays Afton as the psychopath he is meant to be. You people act like you're allergic to anything that isn't 1-Dimensional character building.
FNAF World is actually really fun. I enjoyed playing it a lot, although you could chalk that up to me loving RPG's. The soundtrack is really memorable, and it's just some simple fun.
@@Jadinite-2006If it was, that means that FNAF World was meant to be a story for after UCN when Sister Location wasn't even out. I view it as some spirit trying to create the FNAF 3 minigame hints to help the kids find their Happiest Day
One of my biggest pet peeves in Ruin is that Roxy went from having the personality she had in SB to being wayyy to similar to Freddy. It just seems like they sanded down her abrasive self-loathing and inferiority/superiority complex because they didn’t know how to write her sympathetically. Everyday I think about what could have been if they had her act aggressive and abrasive and horrible as she does in game, and then have her react very emotionally to Cassie’s presence, instead of having her become Freddy. And anyway, they shouldn’t have had her act as though she thought nothing was wrong and that the pizzeria was still open. She knew her eyes were gone, that Gregory took them, and that things were wrong, if she has that deductive reasoning, she should at least be able to tell that the pizzeria was closed for a long time, if not realizing that her Raceway was completely trashed. It would have hit way harder if her personality didn’t turn a 180, and if she actually noticed and observed her surroundings. TLDR: They turned Roxy, known hot mess Roxy, into a Freddy clone that they didn’t even allow to notice the pizzeria was done for, thus making her turn good less impactful.
Part of the reason I care so much is I just feel like having that sort of contradictory/complicated person who is a narcissist bully but also a deeply caring and loyal friend could add a much needed character arc and potential draw. After all, if the characters are handled very well you have less need for an extremely engaging plot, and if your plot is extremely engaging, then you don’t really need characters. FNAF used to coast on its mystery and horror elements, but those have been a sinking ship for awhile. The murder mystery is dead and buried, but the story keeps trying to revive it. It either has to make a new mystery, or find another way to engage people Besides, the FNAF community had been STARVING for characters with personality since the early days. I really think that if it can nail the characters like it did with the DA, Freddy, Roxy, and to some amount, Monty, it can focus on them a free itself from the shadow of old FNAF. The only way for FNAF to be good again is for it to move forward and reinvent, one way or the other
@@prufan Roxy within Roxy Raceway's advertising is portrayed completely differently than how she acts in Ruin. She is still portrayed as competitive, and over the loud speaker she was allowed, which she wouldn't have been if it wasn't in character, to make a comment about how "no one likes a loser." Besides, if taking away the "virus" (which may not even be canon, but I don't particularly care to open that can of worms) makes her into a less compelling, inconsistent character, then its another example of the outstanding storytelling of FNAF completely blowing another one of its chances to be engaging. Even if the virus caused her entire personality pre-Ruin, it doesn't change the fact that Steel Wool fumbled the bag at making a unique, memorable character. I love Freddy as much as the next fan. I love his goofy fountain comment, I love his existential despair in the endo basement, I love that he cares deeply for Gregory and Bonnie, BUT Roxy becoming so similar to Freddy just makes both of their characters more shallow.
I disagree, it's not that the character has the same purpose, they are copies of each other, for example Brok and Sindri from God of War, they have the same purpose (blacksmiths) but they are completely different and I even venture to say that Roxy in less time game than Freddy was much better developed If you're a bully with one person, you don't have to be a bully with everyone, as other people have said, bullies have friends Well now we have the questions Roxy's endoskeleton: Roxy learns about the closure: Roxy knot: Well, Gregory knows that Roxy is Cassie's favorite so he ties her up to make it more emotionally difficult for Cassie. Roxy's endoskeleton: Roxy learns about the closure: Roxy node: V And if she is a knot she had to be repaired by Gregory or Vannessa so she thought that the workers are repairing the animatronics and that's why her endoskeleton is different Roxy's endoskeleton: Roxy knowing about the closure: V Roxy node: V Well I think it gets out of focus
@@Brayan_137 I get what you're saying about roxy being better developed than freddy, and I think its perfectly fine for her to have two-faces, one a bully and one a friend. However, the biggest problem for me is that in Ruin is that they pretty much completely get rid of her bully side. Roxy doesn't just get more development, but that the development replaces everything that came before it. Roxy's character in SB is a self-concious mess, especially after being shattered. She's also cruel and murderous, telling Gregory things like "no one will miss you" while hunting him down. In Ruin, this all changes. Her motivation is now the reclamation of her eyes, instead of murdering Gregory, as seen by the "give me back my eyes!" line she says to Cassie. And, although before this moment I believe she has her previous lines, the game throws away all that interesting character and opportunity for dichotomy by making an "error" occur which causes Roxy to be a calmer, kind, and compassionate person, with no hint of the previous narcissism and bullying. The main problem with this is, in my eyes, that this shift is not meant to be a dichotomy. This shift is a wiping of the board. No seeds are planted for Roxy to have an ugly side to her anymore, no interesting contrast between two sides of her. Heck, her manner of speaking even shifts to be more even and calm. It's just very sad to see a character that was loved for her character complexity get her rough edges shaved down. P.S. I was really happy when I got your comment. I know that my comments are lengthy as heck, and I really appreciate that you took time out of your day to talk to me
To be fair, Glamrock Chica does have a little bit of implied personality. She's shown to be more empathetic, considering the fact that she runs over to Freddy after he falls over on stage, and, possibly a bit of a stretch, but she's the only one other than Freddy to keep a bowling ball in her room, possibly to remember Bonnie (i think I heard about both of these in an Easter egg video somewhere. Please correct me if I'm wrong). Of course, if this is what they were going for, they didn't really do it that well, and definitely buried this character trait under "oOH! pIZZAAA"
@@tomaszhallay6653 That’s true, I suppose. It’s just ridiculous to me that in the game where animatronics are supposed to have deep personalities and self aware AI, Chica is still 90% “pizzaaa”. What’s even funnier is the fact that Sun shows a deeper personality in the extremely short time he appears. He appears for, like, four minutes, and yet has a deeper personality than one of the main four animatronics. If only they hadn’t rushed the game 😒
I understand not forgiving Roxy for her behavior in bullying Gregory. But the sympathy for her character and the change/how she used to be before the virus we see in Ruin just really solidified her as a favorite character of mine. I like her competitiveness, she reminds me of Princess Daisy. I mean, this is probably just the feminist in me but Roxanne is literally the owner of a salon and constantly encouraged other kids in their appearances as we saw with Cassie. But the tragic thing is, in Security Breach we see that despite this she's still insecure about her own image. I think that personally speaks volumes about what her true character is.
Thanks for saying this. I typed up this long, effusive post trying to say more or less the same thing, but you said it better and in four fewer paragraphs.
Also I bet the virus is what made her start acting negatively towards the kids, however Cassie had her birthday there before that, also explains why we see Gregory in some of the VR cutouts in the Salon area, seemingly implying that the Virus took over not long after Cassie's birthday, might even be implying that her birthday was the last one they had planned before everything went downhill in Security Breach.
Hot take in two parts: 1: The animatronics being self aware in Security breach was a can of worms that this series should have never opened *especially given it is basically never acknowledged or written with it in mind* 2: Following up from this, I think it would have been cool if there had been an alternate path where you could free them from the [hacking?/virus?] instead of shattering them. ...I don't know it... just didn't sit right with me
Number one I can agree with absolutely I mean how? Are they possessed if not then is it AI since when did fazbear entertainment switch from remnant power to artificial intelligence hell since when did fazbear entertainment create near sentient artificial intelligence how sophisticated is this artificial intelligence where does it start where does it end how are we supposed to tell what's an AI and what's powered "by the souls of the damned" second one I'm pretty sure you're just being overly sympathetic for the characters that you're a fanboy / fan girl for which is something the fandom has been doing for years so I won't judge you
@@therandomcommenter6629 1: Yeah, this is why I said "[it] was a can of worms that the series should have never opened" I mean... taking it to the extreme...does Freddy have rights? Is he Property...can he Own Property?...is he employed by the company? is he forced to work? 2: Yeah that's fair and I will not fight the accusation, there is a non-0 chance that I only want to save them because I think the characters are cool (Kinda funny in a way given "Save them- You cannot" is a rather important Quote/theme/message in the series)
@@therandomcommenter6629 >since when did fazbear entertainment switch from remnant power to artificial intelligence To be fair, they've already HAD incredibly advanced AI since FNAF 2. Animatronics that are capable of walking around, scanning and reading a criminal database and such, in the fuckin 80s? In 2020 we're STILL massively struggling with Things walking upright, god forbid in the 80s. I honestly wouldnt be shocked that something set over *40* years would advance from fairly advanced AI/machinery to what it is at that point... >how are we supposed to tell what's an AI and what's powered "by the souls of the damned That's definitely a tough one, though i've had the thought "What if Cassie Possessed Roxy", which would involve one character possessing/potentially taking away control from ANOTHER Character, or simply having to "coop" the body like in Stitchwraith :V
@@higueraft571 oh don't worry I know fazbear entertainment is advanced as fuck which I guess makes sense when both of your company's founders are mechanical geniuses and one of them is harnessing the power of the Supernatural the fazbear r&d department & Afton robotics would be putting things like Boston dynamics to shame just with the AI....wait you might be on to something fnaf 2 toy criminal database facial recognition made by Henry Charlie Bot isn't possessed by anything that's just AI made by Henry everyone and their mother is calling Edwin a Henry parallel....MY GOD William uses souls and Henry uses AI just like William uses suits and Henry uses robots!
Tbh I don't know if it's just me assuming, but I feel like Monty does have the potential for some personality we can gather through environmental storytelling rather than outright voice lines. From all the cutouts and his stuff in Gator Golf, Monty to me seems like the cool, chill character for kids who are a little more reserved to latch on to. A little aloof, but friendly and respectable. I guess he doesn't really have much depth besides the character, but I think it being there is enough to say he's not got any. I would like more though, obviously, I love Monty and will always want more. Speaking of environmental storytelling, Sun and Moon's room in Ruin definitely felt like it was saying something. Not sure what exactly, but something. Something like what Sun (and Moon?) desire their room, their daycare to look like contrasted with reality. That was some real depression room. I do wonder what exactly was going on with that animatronic. It seemed very strange that they'd let the whole place into disrepair when cleanliness is so important to them.
The actual Monty robot doesn’t act chill at all though, which is puzzling. We could always say “Well, maybe the cutouts are all just lies, I mean, do we really trust the backstory from the log ride?” The cutouts seem to have decently accurate portrayals of all the _other_ characters though. Why does only Monty have such a stark contrast between his advertised character & his observable character?
My personal small hot take is that if the "You and Me, Forever and Ever. Love, Freddy" poster was in either Roxy or Chica's room. No one would've denied the implications of it or would try to say "they're just besties". Not really an important take just smth that's been on my mind.
There’s also other evidence of Glamrock Freddy and Bonnie being more than friends, like the fact that they are heavily inspired by real life queer men that dated each other or the fact that Freddy’s voice actor is apart of the Lgbtq+ community as well
Honestly, the idea of 1-3 being an Afton that kills kids for the sake of it, then dying to them and then a brother that wants to use technology to bring back his brother and have that be the plot for 4-6 would have been awesome. Makes Elizabeth idolizing the idea of her deceased father that was said to be great by her uncle and going onto becoming Baby would have been really cool. Micheal working with Henry to put everything to rest also works. Even makes the Orange guy thing work, as still an Afton, but not William. The more modern era focusing on the legacy they left with a crazed copycat taking on the mantle. Sounds kinda cool
I sort of have a head cannon that Eclipse was an unfinished program after Sun and moon were moved from the theatre to the daycare that would’ve been his daycare attendant persona, but the kids liked Sun and moon enough that they just decided not to go through with him. Hence the lack of advertisement and his slight loopiness, and the fact that he’s what shows up when you reboot Sun and Moon, because he was probably gonna be set as the default but they just didn’t finish his program. Do I think this is what Steelwool was thinking? No. But I think it explains a lot of issues with his sudden appearance and makes me feel less guilty for liking him.
One opinion of mine is that its weird william was the first person to discover remnant. Are you telling me that no one else killed multiple children and discover it. Another is that perhaps william poisoned the children. Hear me out, i know lots of people say he stabbed them but that would make noise and risk a springlock failure. He couldve lured them in, slipped some cyanide in the cake, and boom no noise.
I think the reason he discovered Remnant is because no one had ever stuffed kids into animitronics before. Animitronics are much more mobile than other objects that would be near murder victims. Their design would allow for someone to see a possessed thing move around on its own.
Yeah William wanted to accomplish immortality Remnant souls eternal life live eternity Afton family and all so William always comes back because immortal remnants souls and all.
@@shumanakazawa this conversation has me thinking on older equivalents to the possessed animitronics throughout history. Could mannequins in the Victorian Era be possessed? How about clockwork models, steam punk style? Haunted armors?
It’s nice seeing people in the FNAF community having there own opinions on certain aspects that they agree or disagree on because remember not everyone thinks William Afton is actually purple.
I think the big issue with Roxy's behavior is something that comes up a lot: a lack of a transition state. People are in places and do things, but we often don't get any indication of how they got there or why. Roxy's behavior in SB makes sense in the context of SB, and her behavior in Ruin makes sense in the context of Ruin, but there's not a lot of thought put into how she's "supposed" to behave outside the games. I think a large chunk of the local problem goes away if you just cut the lethal jumpscare from Ruin, so you _could_ believe that, on her own, Roxy wouldn't _kill_ Gregory (but is still very angry for perfectly understandable reasons). Honestly, going through all these takes has given me a new hot take of my own: I don't think Ruin was an improvement on some of the flaws of Security Breach, I think it actually undermined a lot of what SB accomplished. Sure, SB a lot of execution issues and story gaps, but it still stands out as having a more complete identity. It's a well-realized setting, Gremlin and Bear Dad are distinct characters with defined personalities, and it has clear stakes and goals. A lot of Ruin seems to be focused on pulling it back into the old standby of being "mysterious" and "spooky" without trying to be cohesive. When your expansion causes people to debate whether what it's expanding on even happened, you have serious story issues.
"but there's not a lot of thought put into how she's "supposed" to behave outside the games." But Ruin shows us how Roxy is supposed to act, SB Roxy was infected with a virus and that's still there in Ruin. "Roxy wouldn't kill Gregory" how about an infected version of her? She's after Gregory due to the virus and for what he did to her, Cassie was never a target and is in the system as a guest. And Cassie is a better written character over Gregory, the former is given a backstory, a father(no mother)who is a technician for the Pizzaplex, she comments on every item and reacts like a kid, she's capable of empathy. The latter is pretty ruthless and unlikable to many people, we know almost nothing about him in the games, he doesn't act like a kid, he barely reacts to things.
Except that is what they did? Roxy is given the directive to attack by the security system. There is legit the cutscene afterwards where she grabs Cassie thinking it is Gregory and does not kill her, she demands her eyes back.
I think the reason why people dislike Fnaf shipping is because of the MCI or the fact they’re robots. I personally don’t care if they are shipping the Fnaf characters, but then it’s a weird grey line if it’s the Fnaf 1 characters with a kid stuffed inside the suit or Springtrap because he’s literally a zombie
@@sophitiaofhyrule yeah see I notice that too but it’s when it comes to spring trap I get confused cause some are William Afton inside the spring trap costume shipped with like Fnaf 1 foxy and my brains like “Wait a minute. If it’s William Afton and not Zombie bunny man. Does that mean there’s a dead kid stuff in the foxy costume somehow” and then it’s concerning and I hate my brain for thinking too deep about it
@buenosdias232 Well yeah all the animatronics could to be possessed by multiple random ghosts and kids Ghosts souls or adult random nightguard Michael Henry and kids ect there was a random adult night guard or adult teen person that was hung in sister location so it probably possessed a random robot animatronic to?
About the take of 'Michael wasn't the protagonist in FFPS', there's another point that has to be considered. If Michael wasn't the one who took the job, then why would Henry say 'There was an exit planned out for you to escape. But I have a feeling this is right where you want to be.' If Henry didn't know it was Mike and didn't know of his wish to burn alongside everything else, then who else would he have said that to?
Transformers have an actual explaination for shipping. More than robots, they're living organism woth feelings and thoughts of their own, they also don't have the notion of gender.
@@wafagdplqs4421But Transformer ships are super cute and wholesome. Like Rewind and Chromedome, drift and Ratchet and everyone in idw finding drift to be hot for some reason.
I don't know if it's a hot take, but after reading the FNAF Charlie-trilogy novels in graphic novel form, the best part of the stories was Jessica each and every single time. Mostly because everybody else would make the usual horror movie decisions, especially our main protagonist of whichever book we're on, and Jessica is always telling them 'What are you stupid!? You're going to DIE!" but is a good enough friend to make sure they'll be okay too. Carlton and the police officer are also pretty good, but Jessica was weirdly *consistently* the voice of reason, stuck in a B-movie horror flick.
@@BlueAvocado3 HE IS! I'd put him up there with Jessica, even if sometimes he does fumble a little. But Carlton and Jessica were both the most normal people/well written characters, because they actually would think, and call things out.
The idea about Roxy just turning good and there is no virus, isn't true. She found Cassie but notices she's not Gregory then says "I'm sorry... Error". When Freddy had an error at the beginning, he rebooted into safe mode. Eclipse was having severe malfunctions and needed to be manually rebooted. How do people play the games and ignore things *LITERALLY* IN THEIR faces! 🙄
Ikr, it's really annoying when people overlook important details as "not important", as they don't line up with their theories, and later get mad at the story because of it ._.
This right here is so true! How the fuck can anyone say Roxy being good now is inconsistent or convoluted? That is how she really is without The Mimic's influence.
Nah, Mikey was at FFPS, the hot taker is just misinterpreting dialogue. Henry says "my brave volunteer, who somehow found this job listing not intended for you". That does _not necessarily_ mean that there was a specific intended target. (if that was the case, saying "this job listing, intended for someone else" would make more sense) It could instead mean that the volunteer is a *significant person Henry was not expecting.* It wasn't intended for Michael, but he showed up anyway. I also would assume Henry doesn't know about the specifics of the scooping, Michael being a zombie, etc. As far as he knew, Mike was just irrelevant, but then turns up and surprisingly wants to die alongside his family, so Henry rolls with it
It's not that Roxy is nice now, it's that she is nice to Cassie, is probably programmed to be nice to guests in general. She isn't just magically no longer a narcissist anymore because we saw her be nice to one person. I feel like people need to understand that.
True, Roxy and Cassie are friends. And she was being controlled by Vanny in Security Breach. In Ruin, Roxy's just acting like how she's supposed to when she interacts with Cassie.
please don't use the term narcissist lightly. living with one is living hell. being raised by one, is even worse. Roxy is deeply, deeply insecure about herself, and has a competitive streak. if she was supposed to be anything it would likely be borderline personality and people with that are normally very good to people who are good to them, but if triggered can act how we saw her do towards greg
@@BisManTheBisMan thank you, I truly truly appreciate it a lot. so many people don't know just how abusive and vindictive narcs are, so I don't hold anything against you, a lot of people don't even know what a true narcissist with NPD is actually like thanks to media portrayals, and it being used so lightly in it. people think being vain or self centered = narcissist, but it's way more. it's them putting all their feelings on a pedestal, forcing you to listen to their anger, but lashing at you anytime you show too much emotion; even simply crying to yourself. it's them trying to make you dependant on them, so they can try and control you and keep you under their thumb. it's them tearing down any semblance of caring for yourself that you have, any modicum of being happy. it's like they can just sense when you're feeling good, and they can't have it. they make themselves feel better by making you feel worse. but of course, they're vain too and thinks everyone loves them, and the fake mask they put on people on the outside might think they do, but once those people see the mask slip and acknowledge it, they're thrown to side after a lash out. if Roxy was indeed a narcissist, she would've emotionally and mentally tore Greg down way more, she would've toyed with him, she would've probably tried tricking him to be dependent on her. instead, from what I can recall, it seems she's someone(some robot? lmao-) with a deep inferiority complex she tries to cover by acting superior. she has extreme self loathing issues that she seems to project when upset and hurting. now I don't know too much about ruin so please correct me, but if she was a narcissist at heart, she would've only been fake nice to Cassie until she got what she needed from her, then she would've discarded her or abandoned her. so really from what I think, the being hacked into/possession made her come off as much nastier than she actually is at heart. it's kinda similar to bpd really, when you're triggered and hurting and scared of being abandoned, lashing out can happen, but the difference between that and narcissist lashing out is that narcs do it fully intentioned, whereas with BPD it's more like a cornered caged animal response; they don't mean to, and they feel awful for it after they're in a clear state. sorry for the book but I just really like bringing awareness to to what it's like to really have to exist with one, and I find the topic of Roxs personality (and it being disordered) super interesting to think about and discuss. and I agree with you, so TLDR; her being hacked doesn't really justify her saying something so awful to a child, (which I heard a lot growing up from my birther, so honestly it's definitely a narc thing to say), but I don't think she's truly a narcissist (: also, have you watched game theory's video on security breach, the one where they theorize Gregory is actually an animatronic himself, built by Ms Afton to try and replicate the crying child? I think that's so interesting!
You know the thing that I really find interesting about fnaf is that nothing is cannon. Elizabeth being William's daughter, michael foxy bro... all of it is a theory that fandom has made together. I'm pretty sure we never even hear the names William, Charlie or Henry. We hear thier dialoge, but never their names. Every ultimate timeline or whatever is just one massive headcannon, and I find that very interesting
At the same time, its kind of annoying. At least to me. There's just very little solid ground when it comes to the story, specially now that its very convoluted.
Pretty sure Pizza Sim lists Scraptrap as "William Afton" in the credits. We never learn the Crying Child's name, though, even though fandom has largely agreed it was probably Evan.
Roxy could’ve been developed if they just had a scene where she acknowledges the things she said to Gregory and apologizes for it. It would make the “hacked animatronic” story actually mean something, rather than basically just “these robots just really hate Gregory” I can literally imagine it, something like “When I was under that ‘thing’s control, I said and did some really horrible things. I was acting like a… loser.”
Also, Chica’s new personality really reminds me of binge eating disorder, which is interesting and surprising to see represented in anything, especially FNAF. Though I’d love if we could see some kind of guilt after her binges that would give her more character, rather than just a dog-like need to chew everything
I think the whole inconsistency of Roxy in Ruin is a good point from a writing standpoint, and it's pretty clear it's pandering to the fandom. Not to mention Roxy showing up just in time to attack Mimic... after somehow finding her way around the underground bunker and cave system... while blind. lol Now all that said, I don't really hold her words in SB specifically against her, because the possession/infection aspect overrides that. As it does for the behavior of all the Glamrocks (including Freddy in the books). I mean, Gregory was a full-fledged murderer when he was possessed lol. But I don't hold that against him either. The fact that she can bodyslam who she thinks is Gregory is a stronger argument... even though I'm iffy on "non-canon" jumpscares that are meant to serve as a game-related consequence only. It's like when Ennard attacks Michael in Night 5 of SL while he's trying to get to the scooping room. The Funtimes would have to be pretty stupid to set up this elaborate scheme, and then blow it by killing him too soon lol. Although granted, they could... probably still make it work. Eugh.
@@prufan Well, I'm speaking more in terms of writer intent. It's pretty hard to not notice the shift in writing Roxy in Ruin, compared to Chica and Monty, who are also free of infection, but have just degenerated so bad they have no thought left. For the record, this goes for Sun/Moon as well as a clear nod to the fandom. But there was at least a little more going for that since Sun was hardly an enemy even while infected.
To be entirely fair with Sister Location there, the entity attacking you is still an amalgamation, so it is entirely believable that it is kinda twitchy and unpredictable. As in, Circus Baby has this big plan and is patient in it and the other three go "oh sh*t, dude did not follow instructions, he must be trying something funny!" and then they just take control and move in to attack. Infact, that is the only time in the game where you get insta-killed for a mistake and the rest has at least some room for error, which strenghens that reading.
the thing with filling in previous plotholes is that FNAF's story constantly changes with every new installation. it's the exact reason why Scott won't confirm what was in the FNAF 4 box, so he can hold on to it until he finally sets his heart on what he wants the contents (and the entire story as a whole) to be. even if the box was during the dead children era, Scott would've revealed it by now if he didn't need it to be relevant for a future era. Scott probably won't confirmed anything until the end of the franchise. MatPat theorized that Scott's secret retcon was changing the Puppet from representing the Crying Child to representing Charlie, and I honestly believe it. Crying Child's role completely changed from being Afton's first victim to being his son. I guess Scott changed his mind on who he wanted Crying Child to be during the development of FNAF 4 and chose Charlie as the convenient replacement.
I also got a second hot take: Michael is a morally grey character. His speech at the end of Sister Location's Custom Night is very interesting to me, and it feels like people have ignored/haven't noticed certain words and phrasing when he speaks. For the long and short of it, I believe Michael knew about the murders before SL and knew William was doing it, but decided to look the other way (probably like Henry does). Michael says this: "...they (the animatronics) were all there. They didn't recognise me at first, but then... they thought I was you. *scoffs/bitter laugh/sigh*" What's interesting about this is that Michael shouldn't be surprised that there are animatronics in the rental facility they are stored at, and it's odd that he comes to the conclusion that they only targeted him because he looked like William. (The two technicians that we find dead could have been used as skin suits, but they weren't used. The animatronics were targeting Michael specifically.) Michael also doesn't seem to care about them, either. He doesn't say "They're free now." he says "She's (Elizabeth) free now." even though all of them got out. I think what has happened is that while Michael wasn't working for William, he did know about the murders and simply turned a blind eye. It would be very easy to manipulate him into doing something like this. Michael's killed his brother, and William has found a way to 'bring things to life' by killing others. All he would have to say to Michael is that he could bring the Crying Child back if he committed these murders, and all Michael would have to do is keep his mouth shut about what was going on, because if William is a suspect, the police would have questioned Michael as well to confirm things like allibies and stuff. Keep in mind that Michael went into this job knowing that the animatronics were haunted because of what he said before, and he comes to the conclusion that they only attacked him because he looked like William. I think Michael knew what William was doing, but was manipulated into staying quiet. Then after he dies in SL, he basically decides to switch teams and go after him. Not to help him, but to kill him. It's like the sport's teacher watching a game of soccer and seeing one team getting bodied by the other, so they decide to join the losing team to curb-stomp the winning team. He decided to switch teams mid-game. That's also why I never bought the idea that he didn't know what was going on before SL took place and that was why he went after William because if that was the case, Michael shouldn't know about other ghosts (aside from Elizabeth) possessing robots. If that is the case, I would be perfectly fine with it, and it's a really interesting thing to think about. Whether it is true or not, it adds a nice layer to his character, because, unlike Henry, he decides to go after William earlier than him. Whether that was out of revenge or because he realised he had made a mistake and wanted to atone for what he did, is up to you.
Hot take: I wish Scott did another FNAF World, that shit was lit. If not, another Desolate Hope. I just want another rpg from Scott or another of his sci-fi games cuz the atmosphere is quite unique and i love them.
I do agree with that Ruin take. The story doesn't work with what SB had set up and you can tell with how they slowly added that story tree from the books the closer we got to Ruin in small little spots as engravements or stamps on things. Mimic,who I think is the first FNAF character I hate,being Burntrap still doesn't make sense because they say it's been sealed up for a long time,yet it was free to be Burntrap? Vanny broke concrete,gave him the flesh and suit of William,it suddenly got bored with being William and ripped the suit off,and somehow Vanessa and Gregory shoved him back in his hole then sealed him up again? Plus if Burntrap is just Gregory imagining things cause he found the Burntrap room when they were sealing/found Mimic,why would he imagine Burntrap and not Springtrap since he was featured in all the cover ups Fazbear Ent. had created or even Scraptrap since he's on the arcade games in the Pizza Plex. I do believe that Glitchtrap was a copy of William,but he's just that. William. He's not the Mimic Program 1.2067. It's William being stitched together. I also still find it odd Chica's voice box is in the Pizza Plex,but our Freddy is gone with it still attached to him despite being a head,since he's able to talk in PQ ending. I guess that issue just depends on whether fixing her voicebox will be canon or not,but it's still so weird that our Freddy is gone with it,but it's still there. I also might be a little bias because Glamrock Freddy is my favorite Freddy designs,as well as being one of my favorite Freddy alongside Funtime Freddy,and i'd be really bummed out that it's gone after one game. Also also,Glamrock Bonnie was clearly shoved in as Easter Egg solely so they could focus on the Mimic.
>Mimic,who I think is the first FNAF character I hate,being Burntrap still doesn't make sense because they say it's been sealed up for a long time,yet it was free to be Burntrap? Honestly, it's pretty certain they're separate characters. >I do believe that Glitchtrap was a copy of William,but he's just that. William. He's not the Mimic Program 1.2067. It's William being stitched together. Disagree here, Glitchtrap is likely Mimic, but also consider: It hunts down and pries the Enragement Child off William, freeing him from UCN, so it can learn from him. You've now got TWO separate villains. Will they fight, or work together? Would you help one to kill the other? Burntrap is 100% still canon i do agree. >but it's still so weird that our Freddy is gone with it,but it's still there. Likely a spare.
@@higueraft571 I actually think MimicBurntrap (or whatever the acronym for it is) could still work. Disclaimer, this is heavily based off of my personal interpretation of the Mimic's character and what I will believe will be done with it. If you listen closely during the Mimic's introduction, it sounds like it truly does believe that it is Gregory, and sounds confused and angry when Cassie says it's not. It seems to me that when that the Mimic doesn't just imitate people, it BECOMES them, and those people's personalities become its personality. Building off of this, Mimic taking off the Burntrap skin could be it deciding on its own that William Afton was not who it was, and took it off so it could find out someone else that it was. I believe the Mimic's story will be about it mimicing various people, trying to find out who it is, and ending either in a clustered mess of personalities or one personality that's like an amalgamation of those it has mimicked.
I actually really like Glamrock Bonnie's design. I think it fits in just enough. And in fact, I never saw a fan design I was fully on board with, which I think gives credence to your theory that people that did are just holding the new one to an unfair standard, even if subconsciously. The thing that gets me is that from what I remember from back in the day, shipping was pretty damn big in the fandom in the very early days. Before the animatronics actually had defined characters, really. Foxy and Mangle, Bonnie and Chica... I think the modern backlash against it is the fandom wanting to seem more "mature" by casting out things they view as teenage tumblr fanfic bullshit, such as shipping. But maybe I'm just salty and biased because I was a VanGuard shipper before they turned out to be the same person 💀 Monty and Chica *did* get majorly shafted in both Security Breach and Ruin, which really, really doesn't leave all too much for me to work with in terms of personality for my rewrite fanfic. No deeper insights I just need to vent about is somewhere. M.X.E.S. _is_ attractive. Say it. Coward. Oh and my own personal hot take is that Fnaf World is a good, fun game. It's not _deep_ and I fully understand that at the time that it came out, with the lore it was trying and failing to solve, and especially with how much worse it was on release than it is now, the backlash at the time was understandable and well-earned. But I actually love that game and in retrospect I feel like people should be more lenient with it. It's hardly Scott's magnum opus, he's literally made better free to play RPGs (play The Desolate Hope it's legitimately pretty good if you get past the jank and obtuse mechanics), but Fnaf World is still a dumb, stupid, fun game to turn your brain off and have fun with. Or Nuzlocke if you're Astral Spiff. But presumably you're not. Anyways I agree with that one hot take, I hope the game gets some sort of spiritual sccessor, whether official or fan-made. Well actually I hope it gets an update 3 but that boat sank ages ago so I'll settle for the next best thing.
Im really think that the motive from why scrap animatronics are hated is because of certain character that has a jimmy neutron/peanut design head ruins other character from other game of the series that is considered "the worst one"
It's interesting that people will hold Roxy's words against her, and won't accept the explanation that she was hacked into/posessed. And yet people are more than willing to defend the likes of William Afton, or even Monty even though they did far worse than Roxy ever did. I think murdering people/costars out of their own free will trumps a few mean things said while under the influence of a hack or possession. Also I like to look at her portrayal in Ruin as this is the "real" Roxy, as in how she is towards people when not being controlled. If it wasn't Gregory it would have been anybody, so it's not like it's _him_ specifically she hates. Also, I would bet my house that if someone crashed a car into you, mangling your body and then stealing an organ from you, you'd probably go off the deep end too. Especially if you were already struggling with self-esteem/self-loathing issues.
I'm pretty sure Henry was just intending for some rando to take the job, and was surprised when Michael stepped up. The job wasn't intended for Michael, but he considers that part a happy accident as it allows yet another piece to finally come to rest. That seems like the simplest explanation.
I like the take that Chica's "lack" of personality is more in so referencing how when getting taken over by the glitch, she'll become the most robot like out of all, all her dialogue feels somewhat generic, like "our security staff can help" and the fact she walks like a zombie. Sort of alluding to the animatronics of pasts games, as aside from Freddy, she's an incarnation from an old school character.
My hot take is very recent. I HATE that gas is what causes the FNAF 4 nightmares. I looked into the story and it works and fits well in the story. What I hate is that they used gas and not the sound illusion disk I love that mechanic and it's a shame it's not used in the series more.
As the stories are not always 1 to 1, there is still a possibility that FNAF 4 nightmares used the illusion disks. I don't think they'll specify further tho.
Since Rory was stuck in that bunker for a decade, presumably starting in 1983 when Aftons descend roughly started. I see the gas as a precursor to the disks before Afton truly understood how to utilize fear.
@@christophergirardi8145it makes sense, it has been said that Rory's bunker was left abandoned, so maybe Afton moved on from gas to sound because it's more efficient maybe
@@Mr._Dooter I think Henry was the one to make them, considering how Cassette tapes are themed into his character. Afton could be the one that improves Henry's creations.
This is gonna be long. Back in the day, Crying Child being the Puppet was inconceivable to me, simply because of the SAVE HIM minigame. However, when I think about it today, it really could have been a nice alternative, even if it meant retconning a part of FnaF 2. The design similarities, "giving life" to the plushies, the grandfather clock... It all makes sense. And with Scott saying he didn't put any random Easter eggs in the game, it was a valid interpretation. CC didn't even need to be Purple Guy's son. Heck, even though I'm a Mikevictimer (flexible, because I'm opened to other takes) I don't even think CC and his family HAVE to be Afton. That's one of my hot take : characters don't have to be Afton or Emily to be important. When it comes to other takes presented in this video : • Ennards and Mimic were brought up and I'm gonna say this : they should have been the same. Ennards has a far more interesting design, has a lot of untapped potential and was the first animatronic to use mimicry abilities, so Mimic isn't special. The thought of this nightmarish amalgamation of a machine using Elizabeth's voice to manipulate Michael is honestly still terrifying and twisted as far as I'm concerned. Imagine hearing your little sister's voice begging you to trust her. You know she's dead, you know it cannot be her. But she's somehow out there, because this monster is toying with you. In a perfect world in which Mike gets to be someone and actually emote, he's crying and yelling "You're not her !" at Ennards while he's trying to survive in the secret room. Ennards needed and deserved some spotlight as a villain. • Speaking of villain, I was as disappointed as anyone else when SB came out and Vanessa didn't show up as much. I was hyped for her and was certain Vanny and Security Girl would be different people, and I still think them being separate people could have worked better. Maybe mix possession and Vanny being already fucked up in the head before Afton began influencing her. Idk. One thing that frustrates me HORRIBLY in SB is how it's clearly established that both Gregory and Vanessa killed people... And yet, nobody cares ? Vanny murdered kids, Greg murdered like 4 therapists and possibly one of his friends (GGY). But it's okay, because they were being manipulated ! So there are no consequences. Nothing. Victims are not brought up, ever. Their murderers are free, that's all that matters. Like yeah, okay, that's not their fault, but STILL. • I'm kinda mean to scientist William because I think it's handled really badly, especially in TFC where it's straight up laughable. However, him being aware of possession and maybe trying to use it in some way to bring a family member back or something could have been interesting. • I don't give a f*ck about Glamrock Bonnie. •FNaF WORLD was good and y'all are just mean. • Mikevictim is fine stop being d*cks. • Huge lore pieces and reveals SHOULD be in the games, screw the books. EDIT : There are also far too many ghost kids who are all underdeveloped.
>Ennards and Mimic were brought up and I'm gonna say this : they should have been the same. Disagree, if anything them INTERACTING would be neat. An "Endo" made of William's victims, firmly on the Supernatural side, and another on the Technological side, both being antagonists. >However, him being aware of possession and maybe trying to use it in some way to bring a family member back or something could have been interesting. POSSIBLY? Although it's pretty clear before he started killing he wasnt that nice OR perfectly stable. You dont try egging your youngest son into hating your eldest son if you're normal. Or using a childish fear against them as a weapon. My assumption on his motives are simple: He killed in a spur-of-the-moment Impulse when an unstable man was in a pretty fucked mindset. His killing later clueing him into ACTUAL REAL IMMORTALITY (Probably), something with actual physical evidence... something that an untold number of people in real life have murdered and died for the mere WHIFF of (Fountain of Youth, Philosopher's Stone, all the Alchemical Elixirs (Ever heard of Mercury? Chinese Emperors sure did, it makes them immortal they heard :V), etc. Gotta confirm that it's not a fluke/you can reproduce it, hence MCI. >Mikevictim is fine stop being d*cks. Mikevictim is kind of impossible for one reason: Unless Foxybro is a grown adult (and we see grown adults, he is not one), BV is far, FAR too young. He's like... what, 7-10 at most? While Foxybro/Michael is likely 14 or so, early Puberty but the growth spurt's already happened. Michael works at FNAF 2 in 1987, that'd put BV at 11-14, and Michael at 18. >There are also far too many ghost kids who are all underdeveloped. True.
While I agree gregory was in the right to fight back against the animatronics. The big issue is his attitude towards them. Freddy is constantly vouching for the animatronics. Convinced there must be something affecting them. And he's Right. Yet for as much as they like eachother at the end. Gregory never seems to take freddys words seriously. Just destroying the animatronics and not even having the decency to be honest to freddy about what he did.
@1slayer959 although Freddy was right that something was wrong his friends, he didn’t really bring it up all that much I’m pretty sure it was only twice, and even then they never found out about the virus. Also with Gregory lying to Freddy about with the others, can you blame him? The situation is dire, the others and Vanny are trying to kill him with Freddy being the only one who’s trying to protect Gregory, while I don’t think Freddy would have just abandoned Gregory had he told him the truth. But that’s a risk Gregory understandable didn’t want to take.
@@justsomerandomperson6506 I mean even in the games cannon. Greggory from the start knows, (somehow) that vannessa is behind the danger. So his attitude towards them still doesn't track when you consider his gaurdian is one of them. Consider the line in game "All they've done all night is try to hurt me?!" Under his breath "they get what they deserve" even in the context of this game. Greggory knows vannessa is the mastermind or at the very least the one in command. So him acting like the animatronics that A: he should know aren't in control of themselves And B: he'd know also feel pain Are just as responsible. In front of Freddy. Living proof it's not that black and white. Feels very malicious. We can't even say it's childish ignorance. Greggory isn't an idiot. We know the kid borders on super genious in the books. i think a lot of this comes down to cut content/time. Freddy never tries to talk it over with the animatronics like he did in the cut content. The fact that roxie goes annoyed teenage sister on freddy when you enter the room as him shows they're still in there. I think some of the content cut may have included more of freddy and Gregory actually trying to get to the bottom of things. Defend themselves? If it comes down to it. Ofcourse. I'm not blaming greggory for acting in self defense. But he's not a dumb child incapable of understanding his situation.
@1slayer959 The reason Gregory acted the way he does in the books is because he was under the control of Glitchtrap that's why he acted so smart, and in SB its clear that he doesn't remember his time under said control, when he talks about Vanessa to Freddy he said that he didn't know who she was, and when referring to Vanny he would call her the 'Rabbit lady' so he doesn't know that she's behind everything, in fact him and Freddy's don't suspect that Vanessa is Vanny until they find out Vanny's name. Gregory's attitude towards the others does make since, like NotRealName NotAtAll said remember that when Gregory meets Freddy, Freddy is kind and friendly to him and is helping him and that continues threw out the game. While the others they are braking fences to get to him, hitting security doors to offices that he's in to get him, and Roxy would even tell that no on would miss him and her and Monty will even lunge for him. So Gregory's "they get what they deserve" line is understandably, anyone in a situation like his would be angry and bitter about the people who are trying to kill them, especially if they feel powerless to defend themself which no doubt at the time Gregory was feeling, and like I said before Gregory and Freddy don't find out that Vanessa maybe Vanny until after Gregory plays Fazer blast, which is AFTER they talk about the upgrades so at that point they don't that Vanessa's the one making the others hostile and violent.
@@matti.8465 except best boi freddy who's known them way longer constantly vouches for them. If nothing else, that should give greggory an idea of potentially getting freddy to talk sense it them for him to increase his chances of surviving
I agree with the final hottake about the puppet. I always found it weird that the crying child wasn't in fnaf 6. Like Molten freddy says One big happy family, but it'd missing the crying child.
A very nice video that brings in many different points of view together! As for my own hot take: I kind of preferred it when the lore was more murky to a degree. With some concrete confirmations ala Sister Location and Pizza Sim, but the way things were told with little detail that still confirmed important events was neat, and allowed for more varied interpretations rather than just "the correct interpretation." One example I'd bring is the night guards, who long ago were thought of as their own beings, only for the theory of Michael being pretty much all but one of them to become widely accepted and considered canon. Or maybe that was confirmed in one of those ultimate guide books, I don't know, I'm here for whacky animatronic fun. It even had interesting ramifications on the fanfiction scene, where I bet you could track the most widely believed theories and interpretations by how the fanfiction of the time were being written, with what details they used and characterizations chosen. Plus, I thought it was a lot more fun. The uncertainty of what means what was neat, but now we're bogged down with details, confirmations, and probably worst, people believing certain theories to be canon due to their acceptance. Although, I suppose that could just be a side effect of there being less overall possibility in favor of some level of linearity, "drawing in the edges of the map," as it were. But then that brings me to modern era FNAF, Help Wanted through to Ruin, and how it's felt off in terms of lore and their story telling vibe to me, a weird back and forth on distancing the modern era from the past while dragging the past forward kicking and screaming. I feel they should either fully embrace the past lore and tell more dynamic stories with it, even if it turns the Pizza Sim fire into a big ol' joke, at least make something out of that consequence, or they should have gone fully the other way and tell their own stories of killer animatronics with optional murdered child possession. The half and half kneecapped Security Breach heavily (along with other things), Vanny, Burntrap and Glitchtrap, The Blob, the Glamrocks. I really feel Steel Wool should have started smaller if they wanted to tell a coherent story. I just hope the semi success of Ruin can turn things around and allow them to do cool things with the franchise. Bonus hot take that's probably lukewarm: There totally should have been a semi classical FNAF game where you played as an animatronic (my bias says Puppet), and honestly I wouldn't mind if Steel Wool or others made spin offs confirmed to take place outside of the main game canon. Take the possessed animatronic idea and go crazy with it I say. With how freakish the fandom is I could see a dating sim at least getting a laugh out of people. More little beat em ups, more Freddies in Spaces, more FNAF Worlds! Let not the whims of canon limit the madness we all truly desire! Apologies for the rambles, and thanks ye again for this fun video.
@19:50 yes... that is how deeper characterization works... i literally do not understand what this point is supposed to be. "you only sympathize with her because she is one of the only characters to be deliberately displayed with insecurities and complex emotions!" like, yeah, i guess you're right, you sure explained what endears an audience to a character all right.
That... That is not what they were talking about but alright. They were just sayin' that MANY people see roxy as a saint just because of ruin even though she displays MANY unlikeable traits.
I think burntrap was 100% supposed to be Afton because Steel Wool was left in the dark on a lot of things. They said during the Dawko interview that Scott just told them to put things in the game without much more context than that. Then since Scott saw the very negative reception to Afton coming back again, he backpedaled HARD by making that ending non-canon and introducing the mimic. Not even to mention the plot holes between base SB and RUIN that would have been caused by that ending being canon in the first place.
It's still interesting that William hasn't gone resting in peace yet, he's still out there roaming. It's like fnaf ruin & hw2 isn't the end of the series, cause I feel like If both glitch-b1tch & William Afton finally died out, then the whole series would conclude, unless 'the mimic' tends to continue regardless the main villains have gone expired or not
If FNaF wants to continue, each game should have its own self contained story instead of one continuous plot with maybe some world building elements here and there carrying over. The biggest problem with the lore is the attempt to continue one story, which means they have to find a way to jam things into an existing plot. The latest games have to co-exist with the older games, which just doesn't make sense when they have extremely different approaches to the story
I don't know if anybody will see this, but how the hell do you expect me to believe the Mimic had the capabilities to convince Vanessa; to make up a story about her family background to her physiatrist. That's supposed to be based off of the divorce of Mrs. and Mr. Afton. From Elizabeth's perspective!
Yeah that's a really good point. On one hand you could say that the Storyteller protocol let Mimic just invent a sad divorce story by cutting and pasting some together like chatgpt. But....why would it do that? And there's still the problem that Mimic is smart enough to repeatedly con a grown adult, impersonate someone convincingly, and infect a bunch of arguably sapient robots without them noticing...but also dumb enough to chase you in a straight line without paying any attention to its surroundings.
6:59 I confess, I used to be really into FNAF shipping stuff when I was a teenager messing around on DeviantArt. So I totally agree that people can be very harsh towards it. The way I see it, as long as its more in an AU setting, where you're using the characters to tell a different story than the one they originated from; and you genuinely enjoy seeing certain characters in a romantic relationship, then there's no harm done. That's exactly what I did when I got back into writing FNAF fanfiction. Sure, people may think it's weird, but if it makes you happy and you have a supportive circle, then that's all that should matter.
Hot takes (and yes I know SL came out ages ago and I should probably shut up about it): 1. Elizabeth afton is a good character… in Sister location. Think about it, this little girl gets trapped in an animatronic that HER OWN FATHER made and is tortured with electricity and experimented on and then is all but abandoned (and left in the care of people who probably think she’s just a robot) for an unknown amount of time. THEN, the father (or at least that’s what she thinks) COMES BACK for seemingly no reason and she decides to use that familial connection to create an elaborate plot with the OTHER children he experimented on to kill him and steal his identity. HOW did Scott look at ALL THAT and decide to make her into a daddy’s girl who would kill to make THE MAN WHO MURDERED HER proud??? Elizabeth isn’t (or at least wasn’t) a gullible character, she wouldn’t work for William because she wouldn’t trust him. (**Warning: Tangent ahead**) Also what’s with her fallout with the other Funtimes? They literally plotted to kill a man together and the others seemed to trust her judgment so even if she was a little controlling (which she never actually showed in pizzeria sim) they probably wouldn’t care that much. If anything, the other Funtimes are the ones who actually seem gullible (Freddy believing bon bon and calming down, ballora leaving Michael alone because Elizabeth asks her to), but these are supposed to be hot takes not character dissections so I’ll stop here. 2. Sister location was a very good game when considered its own standalone story. Did it thrust the fnaf series into sci-fi hell? Yes. Did it kickstart the afton family storyline that now plagues the series like a disease? Also yes. But it was a good story about a daughter who was murdered for her father’s mad desire for immortality and a son who was mistaken for their father and died for crimes he didn’t commit so he could free his sister from torture and, by doing so, cursed himself with the immortality that his father tried so desperately to achieve. This is a story about victims who failed to get the revenge they wanted but got the freedom they deserved. Sister location was a beautiful tragedy about vengeance and freedom and is probably the closest thing anyone in this series has gotten to a happy ending besides Gregory. 3. I wish fnaf was a story that focused on the victims of the tragedies rather than the perpetrators. I don’t care about afton or vanny or Eleanor. I care about the missing children. Like how do they feel about this cruel eternity that they’ve been forced into? Do they care about each other, did they become friends? What do they think about each other? I don’t really care about who they were when they were alive, it’s been a long time since then, the only reason I would care about that is to see how they changed since then. I know fnaf won’t ever be that kind of story but I wish it was. Or at least had a fandom project that was. 4. Fnaf had (and has) a lot of potential but it suffers from its inability to move on from old plots and the fact that it never wants to confirm anything. The games sometimes feel like little happy meal toys because most of the lore isn’t in them, it’s hiding in source code and teasers and BOOKS that only sometimes match with the game lore. It never wants to confirm anything and sometimes it even retcons things for no reason other than (probably) that people predicted it and it’s no longer a surprise or that the fans (or scott) didn’t like it (anymore).
Number Four is just straight up wrong,the fans didn't do anything,Sony did,or they wanted to be greedy and just rushed it,it's one of the two. Like,come on,the fan base doesn't have any power when it comes to release dates,so why are they blaming us for?
If you're talking about number four in the one with several takes, then I think both they and NotAtAll agree They pretty much both made the point of "the fans whining about the next game not being out might've influenced the production, but even if it did, it was a company's decision to fold"
@@damienearl8302 People think we have power since the Scott incident,and only see us as toxic man babies because they decided to release it early,and buggy,so you see.. That's not true at all,because they're taking pity on steel wool father then hold them accountable for their failure,but I'm getting ahead of myself here Main point is,it's not our (Fnaf fans) fault,it's Sony's or Steel Wool's,we didn't do anything
@@Dav458It was more likely Steel Wools fault rather than Sony because it has never been said if sony had anything to do with the production of the game possibly but unlikley
I like the chill approach this video has, no yelling, no just telling people off like some other RUclipsrs would Just feels like old school discussion of hot takes on FNAF
35:10 i can't help but feel reminded of the pink guy/two killers theory back in the day when you bring this up. I could see a mad scientist and henchman dynamic going on with the purple guy being the latter.
I hate how the entire fazbear franchise is seen as a “we’re so cheap and reckless!” Joke. They are, but it’s repetitive and very odd how they can still somehow stay in business despite all the violations they must be collecting. If fazbear’s full of cheap skates, why is the Pizzaplex so big and expensive looking? Also I hate this because people love to explain away weird things in games with “they’re cheap and money hungry”. How tf has the daycare not been shut down when it has generators just scattered about in the play structures? “They’re a shifty and cheap company” then they would try not to get so many violations. Those cost WAY more money than just moving the generators out of the daycare.
Hot take: Sister Location is a horrible entry in the series. Yeah, it's entertaining and neat for the first time you play, but it is practically impossible to replay the base game of SL without being bored out of your mind. I think the problem is the scripted-ness of SL. There should have been more elements to SL's base game to keep it fresh. In terms of story, I think SL is one of the best in the series, and the Custom Night is a nice addition to the bland gameplay of Sister Location. It also has some of my favorite characters of the series. (Justice for Michael)
My Hot Take: I really hope that it was actually the real Gregory, and not the Mimic, who dropped the elevator in Ruin. If it's true, I feel like it adds a lot more depth to Gregory's character that expands upon how he acted in the base game with destroying Freddy's friends and lying about it. Not only that, but it would also open the door for an interesting antagonist dynamic between a frightened and guilty Gregory and a Cassie who feels angry and betrayed.
"Also Vanny would've been better if she was extra thick" Had to stop watching the dishes for a sec to reverse the video to see if I heard that correctly made me audibly go "huh"
While gameplay-wise ruin is better than SB, lore-wise not so much, I see it as an hot mess thrown together to patch a lot of different plot holes, like the integration of the mimic from the books because fans were confused by burntrap's whole deal, the strange and useless redesigns of Roxanne and Freddy which confuse even more people, if the books didn't exist, then ruin would be as mysterious as fnaf 4
Alright, here's my hot take:I feel many other FNaF fans will agree with me on this, The way Vanessa/Vanny was handled with the whole glitchtrap possession. I personally wish we could've gotten a more in depth view from Vanessa's perspective, like how if she was able to fight back control from Glitchtrap for a little while before finally losing control of her own body, becoming Vanny. Sure, we get hint's via the Email's but still it pales in what the FNaF community has explored content wise Vanny fan songs the best one in my option Kitten sneeze's-Already Dead which dives deep into what or how Glitchtrap's permanent scaring and damage affected. Vanessa sure we can all believe that by the events of Ruin Vanessa has recovered, however all that trauma and using fear an intimidation alongside mentally psychological torture that is forever Vanessa she'll have to deal with. Personally, possession in horror movies will always be horrifying to me and others may agree.
That the way it was done sucks is a hot take? It's very much a hot mess. As originally presented in HW, Glitchtrap steals that body outright. But then afterwards, they instead went with with a more partial possession-telling that makes me wonder "hey, that is not what you showed me, so what is this? Did the now soulless body just resist on its own, or did they retcon it into Vanny being more of an outside avatar of Glitchtrap than it being a direct possession?" Then we get this really underdeveloped and nonsensical mystery on if Vanessa is that body or not and we still don't have a 100% sure confirmation to this day, lmao. And then it just...ends, and now it is presumably going to stay forgotten as an oddity in the gameseries that they just push under the rug.
Ideally, the series should have ended with UCN. Sure, it isn't a perfect "happy ending" since the kid who possesses Golden Freddy doesn't find peace, but William is basically sentenced to eternal damnation to be tortured by his own evil creations. Poetic justice if you ask me. At that point, while the series was already needlessly complicated, it still held the spooky and messed up tone it was going for and was still about the dead kids. I find an ending like that quite satisfying. After that it just goes off the rails and the books make it even more outlandish than it already was.
It'd require some HEAVY editing for UCN, removing every scrap of evidence that William would survive, and that isnt in his head. Since, if he's in a coma, he's still alive. Someone WILL find him, and the chance of him returning is pretty damn high. He came back when he should have died already once...
I know like just let bro die already 💀 the sci-fi stuff with remnant and everything had no reason to exist. I feel like a better way security breach could have gone is with vanessa just being inspired by afton but not actually controlled by him
Ngl I really don't like the fanon design for Glam Bonnie, like it's alright but definitely feels a bit basic imo. Uncanny in a weird way that makes it feel more like "Let's take Bonnie and apply the glamrock style to him" instead of "Let's make a new iteration of Bonnie keeping in theme with the rest of the band."
I really wish Phone Guy and Phone Dude got more appearances, and that Phone Guy at least got a little bit of closure. Like I get he dies in FNAF 1, but he's made so many appearances since then that it feels weird that his last completely original appearance was in FNAF 3 talking about Springlock Suits. 2 ideas I have are: 1. Make a note about an employee being killed (that would be hinted at being Phone Guy) and maybe add some stuff like money being sent to his family or something 2. Finding his rotting corpse inside an old Freddy Suit as an Easter Egg, maybe in an old storage warehouse or a junk heap. Of course there could be many other better ways I haven't thought of.
I find the hot take about the books kinda interesting. For the most part I agree with some of it. While I like the whole idea of the “yo dude brighten image” stuff, I think that can be very strange to casual fans. I also feel like this can also take away from the story. My biggest example being Ennard fighting themself in the source code. To a casual player you’ll play Fnaf Sister Location and be like “oh snap there’s a new villian that’s a spaghetti man? That’s sick I can’t wait to see them in the next game!” Then in the next game Baby is separate, and you see what fans would just see as destroyed Funtime Freddy, and be like “What happened to Ennard?” As for the part I disagree with, I think the books cause their own problems. Yeah sure it’s more direct with lore than “look at the source code.” But it’s locked behind a paywall, incredibly misleading at times, and also some of the lore is stuff that was later retconned into the story. For the first 5 games there was no mention of any family besides William, then out of nowhere in Pizza Sim we hear about a man named Henry and their daughter, who is the Puppet. Those are 2 characters you wouldn’t know about unless you read the books, and were never brought up because until the books they didn’t exist. Sorry about how long this was. Wanted to share my opinion on this whole thing.
Brightening up images or clips can really reveal a huge ton of more lore than what the viewer thinks, sincerely one time I brightened up an image in FNAF 3 and found nightmare Freddy laying, fallen asleep by the arcade machine. Cause I had no clue who that was at first until I started doing research but sadly I do not remember which camera I looked at
so if Michael was the intended player character of pizza sim but the job was taken by someone else...what of the person we're actually playing as is orange guy. just some dude whose kid was lured away by Afton, finally gaining closure burning in a fire with his son's killer.
its wild to me that as soon as the animatronics are sentient beings on their own instead of like, haunted by murdered children is when people start hating on shipping them. Like I'm firmly in the "the MCI kids weren't actually their own characters and the animatronics had their own fanon personalities so there's nothing immoral about shipping the ogs" camp, but still, the sentient AI and the animatronics having actual personality is when you draw the line???
Honestly, a more creepy and eerie design of Burntrap would’ve been a better design for The Mimic and would make Ruin that more scarier while also explaining that it’s not William Afton. Just thought that since the mimics hand gets cut off and so does Williams
My personal hot take is that if Steel Wool would have taken as much time as they needed then Security Breach would've taken place within 5 Nights (and Night 6 for the "Secret Ending(s)" and possibly Night 7 as its version of the RUIN DLC). Then it would've really amazing with the extended backstories of Gregory, Vanessa/Vanny, and the Glamrocks and where he came from, possibly 16-Bit Mini-Games in-between nights, and obviously, more lore & secrets for what this game has to offer. Then of course, they'll focus on Help Wanted 2 as per normal. (Also, That last Hot Take you have caught me off guard. XD)
I highly doubt SB would've been that good even with all the time in the world because Steel Wool are just kinda incompetent, like they kept making the Pizzaplex bigger and adding pointless rooms instead of making sure the game works. They're a lot like Yandere Dev in some ways
@@sophitiaofhyrule That's not what I had in mind, I was thinking that each night will focused on one or two areas (For example: Night 1 taking place at the Daycare) and than returning to Freddy's room and the clock strucks 6 AM. Then after Night 5, Gtegory will leave the building without Vanny following him.
Also I have a hot take I think Steel Wool should take the glitches and memes from SB and make them inside jokes in later games. Like imagine if there’s another Fury’s Rage game where there’s an entire wave of crazed Monty’s called in reference to Giga Monty?
My hot take is that FNAF4 should have taken at Fredbear's Pizzeria. Considering that FNAF4 was the first and for a long time the only game with a child protagonist, its a waste that we dont spend much time inside the pizzeria. Considering that children are the primary target for William's murder, it would have interesting to see it from their perspective and since William has never been hinted at being a good father, it would make sense for him to forget to take his child and leave him at Fredbear's at night alone for 6 hours. There are also other cool stories that you tell with a child protagonist lost/alone at the pizzeria that im surprised it took them until SB to make one
Ok, I'm a little late here, but I also have some hot takes, especially for the "SteelWool Era", one for the movie and two for the books. 1- They should stop making a lot of mysteries only for the fans to do a lot of theories: I know that is fun making theories, but nowadays we have A LOT of content in the franchise, and most of time the theories consist in making parallels of something in the past or something that can happen in a future game. 2- The book that has the best story is The Silver Eyes: Okay, this will be controversial, but let me explain, what we had in TSE was just a down to earth story about a group of teens invading an old Freddy's just because of nostalgia. However, after the Twisted Ones with it's Illusion Disks and The Fourth Closet with the introduction of Remnants, The Charlie Trilogy became just an ordinary si-fi story, don't get me wrong, I don't hate the si-fi way that FNAF is going, but the execution of it is a mess, especially the Charlie robot plot twist (I completely dislike this twist). And I am not going to mention FF because that's my next hot take. 3- The Fazbear Frights should have been completely different and canonical to the main games since the beggining, because I can't accept the way that FF got written, in the FF we have a time travelling ball pit, a girl made of candy and sentient goo that can take form of everyone (and I'm not mentioning In The Flesh because I completely hate that story). Honestly, I think the best way in making FF canon is making it completely different from the original, focusing on Fazbear themselves, and taking place during the 30 years timeskip between FNAF 1 and 3, not only that could give a huge world-building for the franchise, but could also explain what Fazbear Entertainment did to come back after a lot of incidents in the past. 4- The movie should not have anything that confuses the game lore (a.k.a Remnants and family relations): I know that a lot of people want remnant and Mike Schmidt and Abby being Aftons in the movie, but I don't any of these, I want Mike just being a random guy with financial problems that only accepts the job just to help his sister, not a son of William Afton that got lost during the childhood, and I want the most simple explanation for the possessed robots being "The kids are controlling them", because for me, the remnants was a shoot in the franchise's own foot. 5- Security Breach should have had only one ending: We all know that SB until this day has a lot of problems, but the one that is the worst of them all for me is the multiple endings one, because in between Ruin's announcement and it's release, all of us were thinking which ending was the canon one, only for the DLC releasing and showing that the Princess Quest ending was the canon one (even if it is a huge retcon). And that's pretty much it, even if I have some more like: The Blob being the main villain in Ruin and the unnecessary villainization of Gregory, I've been writing this for 30 minutes and I'm getting tired of writing this. Thanks for reading!
A kind of literal hot take here. How on earth is heat supposed to kill the animatronics? If the books are to be believed, Afton literally *melted* the old ones down to make the fun times. Turning metal to liquid is hotter than the fires that they where put into in FNAF 3/6. It shouldn't be a surprised that heating them up may turn them off temporarily, but not out right destroy them.
Well, straight up melting a machine would deactivate it, just look at the ending of Terminator 2. However, you have to acknowledge the high melting points. As for the Remnant-metal alloy, that's a completely different case. It has a much lower melting point, so it being consecutively burned over and over would destroy it, which would also prevent any potential spirits from having a hold over said animatronic infused with Remnant. The Classic animatronics in The Twisted Ones were only partially melted (the graphic novel depiction of them in this state is insanely inaccurate), this small melted piece of the Classics didn't require that much heat when fusing it into the novel Funtimes, and thus, wasn't enough to destroy the Remnant inside. We even get dialogue in this scene about being careful to have the temperature high enough to pry the Remnant-metal alloy off of the endoskeletons, but low enough so it's not destroyed. And, in FNaF 6, the heat of the fire was exponentially increasing, so it'd eventually be enough to burn the Remnant-metal alloy from the animatronic bodies. And unlike FNaF 3, there'd be no escaping the heat. We also have the Remnant-metal alloy burned away from Burntrap via the burners.
Roxy and Chica were saying those nasty things under the influence of the Glitchtrap virus. We know from the Storyteller story that once the storyteller was installed the animatronics started acting more mean and weird and aggressive and I'm assuming at the point that Security Breach happens it's even worse. With the influence of Glitchtrap mostly removed from the pizzaplex by the time ruin happens, It seems like Roxy is acting more like her original self, where she's a bit of a diva as her caricature but she's not downright nasty
My hot take/ theories, the girl in fnaf 4 is Elizabeth (yes the the hair is different but surprise surprise people can style their hair, Vanessa originally had rainbow hair) and William doesn't care at all for his family. William is the voice of the fredbear plush throughout most of fnaf4, teasing and abusing the CC, after the bite the fredbear plush saying "we're still your friends, do you still believe that?" is him mocking his own son as he dies, despite being a theory when the game first came out i do think the shift in text colour is the pigtail girl/ Elizabeth. her room has a mangle toy, she sees CC as a broken toy that can be fixed, when in reality he cannot, the phrase "I will put you back together" just sounds childish to say to someone. also baby WAS made for Elizabeth, William kept her away from baby knowing that she would sneak to see her and activate the baby's protocols. after possessing baby William intentionally tortured her using the scooper and controlled shocks. William never cared for his family, he's a madman who wanted to achieve immortality.
Y'know, that makes sense, William using reverse-psychology to make Elizabeth want to go to Baby even more than she already did. That would give her motivation to go see baby while nobody else was around so that nobody could tell on her. He clearly didn't actually care for his children and just wanted to experiment on them.
I think the whole "Not intended for you" means there wasn't anyone specific that they were looking for, but Mike just happened to be perfect for the job. Why else would it be "Right where you want to be"?
here's my hot take: FNAF World was a good and fun game, and the build up to the announcement with characters on a banner slowly being replaced by their FNAF World models was incredibly interesting to see and follow along with. I would refresh Scott Games every day and look to see who had been swapped out, and the game (after release and backlash) being free made it the first FNAF game I actually played rather than just watch a youtube play it for me. FNAF World has a special place in my heart and is over hated.
its wild how people like burntrap more than the mimic. i personally like the mimic more, but mostly because he's absolutely fascinating to me. a dead guy who keeps coming back is much less so
probably because the Mimic has absolutely no personality, is litelarry a COPY of Afton and just....APPEARED, clearly as a writing crutch, an excuse to bring back a villain who's basically Afton, but *not exactly* which means they can just dispel any criticisms thrown their way about the same guy being the villain over and over again.
My Hot Take for a potential part 2: Monty should've been like, the main antagonist. He definitely has the motivation to be a villan, with him wanting to replace Freddy in the band. As well as the BLATANT evidence he commit the murder-eds on poor, unfortunate Bonnie, he would definitely make a great villan/Final Boss. Like, imagine him and Freddy get into a fight to the death, Gregory controlling Freddy from the inside as they pummel the shit out of Monty for all the horrible things he's done! And in the end, Freddy says, "I thought you were my friend Monty..." "Someone who I thought I could trust in Bonnie's absence..." "But you... you took him from me..." "You will NEVER be my superstar...." "And you will NEVER have a place in MY band." Or something like that. Mainly I just want an excuse to completely and utterly decimate that traitorous walking handbag... *I only wish to see him suffer...🥴*
@@prufan Green paint on Bonnie's Torso... Claw marks match Montys claws, Bonnie's damage lining up to the kind of damage Monty is KNOWN TA DO. I rest my case -_-
I was just thinking about the hate towards shipping today. Almost feels like there's a bigger pushback against shipping characters these days than there is to being **attracted** to them lmao Also regarding the Phone Dude opinion, I really like DMuted's theory/headcanon that Phone Dude is Fritz Smith, and is just an overly enthusiastic Freddy's fan who helps construct Fazbear Frights to be as authentic as possible. It's not super groundbreaking but it's a fun way of viewing the character. I would definitely like to see another hot takes video! I couldn't think of any hot takes when you initially made the post but some have come to me since.
36:36 I don't really see it working out, The FNaF 4 Crying Child and the Take Cake kid are shown to die in different ways in FNaF 4, however, FNaF 4 is also where the Crying Child is connected to the specifically monochrome puppet-like character with no leg stripes, a removable mask, black tears, and a wide chest that can fit a person, like a springlock animatronic, unlike the Marionette shown in FNaF 2. This is why I believe the Crying Child goes on to be Nightmarionne instead, the Shadow (Puppet(/Freddy, BB, Tree, Princess, etc...)). And Charlotte being revealed to be the Marionette later on wouldn't affect this plot point at all, so it wouldn't be "retconned out"... This would mean the Crying Child is still currently Nightmarionne, which is interesting due to his presence in the Mega Pizzaplex, including how he has plushies of himself set up around the building for surveillance, learning from the tricks used on himself by other as a child. There's also Nightmarionne's line referring to themselves as the reflection of Charlotte, which is interesting, both because the Bite of '83 is a mirrored Happiest Day, with Crying Child being a direct reflection of Charlotte, and in the novel trilogy, Charlie refers to her twin as a mirror... 👀 Y'know, FNaF's devorce and custody case is really confusing at times, you can never be sure which child originally came from what parent- Anyway, I really hope Help Wanted 2 reveals the true identity of the springlock animatronic in the CBEaR bunker... going by what Room For One More tells us, it's the real body of Nightmarionne, with the large chest cavity and all, as their FNaF World model and FNaF 3 Mangle's Quest sprite shows us... but until it releases, it'll be my wishful thinking. Thanks for reading :D
19:38 I'm kinda getting irritated at how quick people are to brush off Roxy being possessed/controlled. So you can excuse the animatronics trying to murder you, but not some mean words? Of course being programmed to be violently aggressive towards you is going to bring out a nastier side of her insecurity. A nastier side that _clearly does not exist_ when she's functioning normally. If anything, Roxy's one of the _better_ people among the cast. She attacks you in RUIN because she thinks you stole her eyes, and when she realizes her mistake, she backs off. What's Chica and Monty's excuse? It's not like they're still under some kind of influence, cause Chica will leave you alone if you fix her voice box. So, what? Are they trying to kill you just because they're mad they got so messed up? Roxy's the bad one here how?
Regarding Roxy saying "Nobody will miss you", it's worth noting that, according to the Tales story "The Storyteller", while Roxy DOES enjoy poking at people's insecurities to cope with her own, she didn't start acting like a cruel bully until after getting corrupted. "Nobody will miss you" is clearly a death threat courtesy of the Mimic's corruption, so "She was possessed/hacked/corrupted" is a valid argument (though it doesn't excuse the aforementioned poking, which probably wasn't any worse than calling people with glasses "four eyes", or people with braces "metal mouth". And while she does still insult Gregory in RUIN, that's because she's still mad at him). Is Roxy justified in trying to kill Gregory for stealing her eyes? No. Is she justified at being angry about it? Yes. It wasn't her fault she tried to kill him in Security Breach. Based on the aforementioned book info, combined with Roxy's interactions with Cassie, it's not hard to infer that Roxy's habit of poking at people does not extend to children (Gregory being the exception, and a special case). And Roxy's crying in her room in the main game is meant to humanize her. There's a reason she's listed on TV Tropes under "Jerkass Woobie" (meaning yes, they're a jerk, but they still have sympathetic qualities). That said, the same book story also mentions in passing that Roxy has an "inherent lack of empathy", but RUIN clearly contradicts this. If anything, MONTY seems like the one who lacks empathy.
I really don’t understand why people don’t like glamrock Bonnie’s official design and prefer the fan made design, in fact, I’m gonna say it. The fan design is ugly. The purple really doesn’t fit the others as good as the blue does in my opinion and the vest that people gave him seriously doesn’t fit the others, like at all. And I know, “he has a vest in the Bonnie bowl art” does that really matter though? Yes, that was most likely his design before ruin was even thought up of, and yes, they probably changed it due to the fan made design in the first place. And I think that it was the right choice to change the design. Like the vest might look good at first glance, but then you actually start paying attention. None of the other glamrocks have clothes, well, sort of. Yea, they do have “clothes” imprinted on their design, but it’s not really clothes, it’s more like, paint. Meanwhile the fan design has like actual clothes/clothing. Now, no disrespect to any of the fan made models, like at all. That’s just what I think.
I think one thing the guy that said "putting the lore in the books isn't bad" kinda missed is the fact that, usually, when you shove lore that is relevant to a game into a book, the average player would NOT go out of their way to read a book for lore. Not only cuz its a paywall but the experience is entirely different.
On top of that, FNAF books aren't like other games where they write novels telling you about canon events, FNAF books are/were not 1 to 1 with the game story which makes the paywall worse since buying a book without a guarantee for the correct lore is a gamble that only the most hardcore of fans would be willing to take
I agree. The problem is less that the idea of FNAF books is inherently bad, but more that splitting it across multiple different mediums makes things more convoluted and difficult to follow. If FNAF were just a book series, that'd be fine. If FNAF were just a game series, that'd be fine. But having both exist at the same time and tell slightly different versions of the same story that are apparently meant to leapfrog and build off each other just makes things way more complicated. It gets to the point where you can't just enjoy the games anymore, you have to basically do homework and read books/listen to audiobooks just to get plot points that could've been explained in-game.
It's like how after Kingdom Hearts 2, the games were split between five different consoles, never numbered, and were all set in completely random points in the timeline and expanded on things that didn't need to be expanded on - it just ended up creating a huge mess that made an already overcomplicated story basically impossible to follow without a fan wiki to untangle all the spaghetti.
You have it right on the nail by saying that average players aren’t gonna go outta their way to read these.
I personally just see frights and tales as their own little thing that just has a lot of overlap with the games, and gives some lore. But still within their own thing.
I feel like there would be a massive problem if your keeping important lore in books, and don’t get it into the games. Personally I don’t think their doing that right now. But we’ll see for sure lol.
Btw love your Ran pfp!
I agree with this mostly! This was actually my hot-take I had posted, mostly about the Tales books being basically required reads if you want to personally discover the lore in SB. I think that it was one thing when Scott used outside media like the Logbook to give us the name Cassidy. Cassidy as a name is important yes, and it was an amazing discovery for the fandom within an outside FNAF media. But for the games to lack the lore (at least it feels that way) and depend on these books is just an even bigger paywall like you said. At this point I would have just bundled SB with the Tales books. Idk.. but from a lore/theory standpoint I hope in the future, we get WAY more concrete lore and story in-game, as opposed to outside media like the books.
@@janesoren9257 this is fair tbh. Also that last point, 100% agree lol.
My mindset is moreso "this is the cards we were dealt, might as well use them". I know it's not healthy to have that mindset in regards to locking lore behind paywalls. However, when you have youtubers like MatPat or Fuhnaff who just retell the events of the books for us for free, it's hard for me to care.
For the whole Micheal isn’t in Pizza Sim, I think since there was an exit for the person hired, I think Henry was just looking for anyone to run the pizzeria and bring in the scrap animatronics. When Henry saw Micheal apply he decided to put him to rest as well.
Unless Henry was just projecting his own feelings on an innocent person in that final speech. He is the guy who captured what had his daughter’s soul in it and then proceeded to torture and subdue it in the form of Lefty.
Henry wanted William afton because henry wouldnt know william was dead/spring trapped/on fire
@@cleaveuntome42No. You are wrong. I’m the completion ending henry says “the darkest pit of hell has opened to swallow you whole, so don’t keep the devil waiting, old friend” This implies that Henry knew William killed Charlie, AND that he was scraptrap. He also says “although there was a way out planned for you,” to Michael because he didn’t expect Michael to even apply. And if he wanted William why would he want William (the guy who killed his charlie) to escape the fire? That literally defeats the whole purpose of him saying “The darkest pit of hell has opened” if he was just going to let him escape a minute later.
@@Muddler182 to clarify. How does he know aftom became scrap trap?
I thought: Afton Kills Charlie -> Henry gets sad and leaves -> some time later william is hidden away behind a wall that no one looked for.
I was gonna clarify my side more ... but I was listening and realized "its a prerecorded message" .... so yeah maybe he knew which idk how he found out about scraptrap if william was behind secret door till fnaf 3 and no body was found.
...mystery!?!?
I'm gonna be frank, if Scott just came out and gave the most satisfactory conclusion to the lore that he could muster, people would still not accept it, because it's simply too late. The movie is obviously going to go a completely different route with the lore, while still keeping the basic characters.
Also my mild hot take is that Scott should have stuck to making games like the desolate hope. He loves sci-fi a lot, and it shows.
I feel like Scott kind of said that with the box is FNAF 4. How the community wouldn't be happy if he gave a final conclusion for the series with the game.
@@Ontarianmmwell he moreso meant the fans wouldn’t be happy with THAT (dream) ending
If he stuck with making games like desolate hope he would (sadly) be poor, still working two jobs and feeling like all his efforts and time on his previous projects and being christian were for nothing
@@GabrielPiardi I don't necessarily agree. Saying he'd be poor is too drastic, as he still has a family and likely, if the games didn't pan out like say, FNAF, he would still get a job.
When I say like the desolate hope I don't mean free or anything like that. Just not horror or interconnected stuff that has a ton of speculation. Just a solid sci-fi story with good graphics, which he's proved he's more than capable of doing.
@@Itariatan I understand. It just wouldn't have made a lot of money and wouldn't be popular. And as he said himself "Fnaf was gonna be my last game" so he probaly wouldn't keep doing games. Also sorry if my english is bad
My hot take is that the series is hurting itself by refusing itself the traditional “Sherlock Holmes explains the crime to the police” moment. In writing a mystery that’s not meant to be solvable they are deliberately writing clues that don’t line up together. And actually giving us the answers would allow them to set in stone what did and did not happen and what cards are actually on the table for the future so they can actually write a quality horror-mystery going forward. The series was its most fun when it felt like there was a solution and now it feels like there never will be.
The help wanted games would have been the best place to do this as the premise is Fazbear's attempt to discredit the events as some insane persons made up stories so clarifying what's story beats people should be considering and which elements to drop going forward using the unreliable narrator trope would prevent a build up of red herrings that will be twisting what's actually happening in these games.
The irony is that Arthur Conan Doyle killed Sherlock, but the people were so outraged that he had to keep his creation alive..
Afton isn't that much of a great character, he was just mysterious at the beginning, but the whole "immortality" plot was really awful..
I mean, he's not like Ganondorf who survived centuries throught magic.
He could be nicer like in Wind Waker.
@@QueSeraSeraaaa I’m talking about at the end of each book’s individual mystery/plot. The Sherlock novels didn’t have an overarching mystery across all of them.
@@jennifergriel861 Sherlock goes straight-forward, Afton just remained the same character without developpment.
He was always shown as evil throught the franchise without breaks.
At least give in-universe theories and such which would give explanations why some things don't add up.
Maybe the police have files on the MCI, and for incidents after that (because the incident was so public and details don't line up) they think that the culprits behind the later ones were copycat criminals
Here's not so much a hot-take but rather something that they should've done in SB.
They should've made it so that the animatronics slowly lose their personality and become more blatant killers throughout the game. (Hear me out)
This is assuming that the robots are more characterized at the beginning of the game. I'd imagine that Gregory actually meets the glamrocks before they became eerie. Then, as you progress through the game, they slowly lose themselves to the virus until they've completely transformed into a killing machine. It would be subtle. They act a little out of character here, they do something that they otherwise wouldn't do there. Then it gets worse. Then it gets *really* worse. They start threatening Gregory with phrases like "nobody will miss you" and "I bet you don't even have friends." It would be like seeing a loved one slowly devolve into a monster.
Apparently that's kind of what happened in the books Gregory just wasn't there the witness it or at least not game Gregory I agree they should have expanded on it more granted might have the problem of sympathising too much but it would definitely make the virus / glitch trap just more terrifying
Oh that would have been so goooooood....
I love this
If we're really going to forgive the glamrocks' behaviour based on mentality and dialogue I feel like Chica is probably the most forgivable. As has been pointed out, Roxy is constantly belittling Gregory with very few lines of encouraging him to come out. Which also doesn't make sense for an animatronic built to entertain and interact with kids. Just makes it look like she's bad at her job. Monty on the other hand seems to be fighting between acting friendly to coax a lost kid out and genuinely getting frustrated because he was already in a bad mood and now he has to go out of his way to find someone who keeps escaping. His dialogue and actions don't line up but it is somewhat understandable, even if that may not have been the intention.
Meanwhile Chica is primarily acting in the interest of turning Gregory over the Vanessa, her dialogue consisting of either promising Gregory food and sweets as a reward, or acting in obligation to a higher authority. I feel like that makes it all the more jarring when she does kill you, thus a better indication of the glitch taking over. Aside from Freddy who has the advantage of safe mode, Chica gives the impression of being the best intentioned of the glamrocks. Her more outwardly obedient nature (aside from eating garbage) feels like it could give more insight into what her personality was supposed to be, but she gets shafted so bad. So much of the personality we do get of Chica and Monty specifically come from headcanons based on the potential fans see in them, rather than the game itself.
Also, why is it when Cassie gives Chica her voice box the first thing she thinks to say is "I smell pizza"? They really couldn't be bothered to give her a single moment of depth in her last moments with a voice?
And yes, she is my favourite, always has been.
Voice box back is made into a joke fr
Maybe it's just me being biased towards Chica but I hate how many portrayals of her canon or fanon boil her down to her gluttony. And now that you pointed this out, I wish they did more with Glamrock Chica.
@@vivifoxysdaughterandchild544 I've heard in the case of the GR an interpretation where each animatronic represents different sides of the lifestyle. Chica's supposed to be a representation of eating disorders, namely ones like bulimia. I like the idea but the game doesn't do enough to support her case like they do with Roxy and (arguably) Monty.
I mean, a lot of Chica's lines ARE straight out of the Kidnapper's Handbook, though.
yay finally someone who thinks chica whould be better in safe mode
I disagree on Micheal not being at FFPS, since Henry says “I have a feeling you are right where you want to be”, I don’t think it would make sense if it was someone else who was probably still fully alive to want to stay there
But still mike is boring at the end, he says nothing for nothing 💀
Also Scott confirmed that Michael is dead
@@Mandalore_ultimate but still sucks that he says NOTHING, he's just there for thr sake of being dead
@@Vanny-wf7fc honestly i wanted him to say at least ONE line in the ending
@@Mandalore_ultimate Michael may not be gone dead Security breach was built over FNAF locations and fnaf 6 scraptrap William Michael Henry Charlie Elizabeth ect also Michael glamrock Freddy says I'M NOT ME that is the opposite of its me golden Freddy also Michael and Henry never possessed any animatronic in the games and Michael could possessed glam-rock Freddy or Michael and Henry and Charlie ect could possessed the blob also Vanessa last name starts with an a? Afton Abby.
I think the core of the issue with Gregory is that the cut up plot and quests paint him in a worse light than I think the devs intended. People don't hate him out of nowhere. Freddy directly states that the other bots are his friends and that something must be wrong, and that he cares about their safety, and Gregory ignores his sentiments and lies to him about destroying them and installing their parts onto him, instead of talking to him to find a solution to the problem and get to the bottom of what is causing them to act strangely. (You know, like puzzles and mysteries to be solved in some kind of puzzle-y, explore-y game with mysteries, but what do I know?) The dialogue sort of implies that there was supposed to be either a follow-up conversation between the two, or a payoff to Greg installing infected parts onto his friend that was initially safe. His actions weren't supposed to be without consequence, and it would have paid off in a way that still kept him likeable.
Gregory isn't the spawn if Satan or anything, but the way the game went out of it's way to set up the animatronics to be more like people than in any other game, and then had Gregory brush off his friend's request to save his other friends, and then twist the knife on them despite being directly told that they were dear to his friend felt very...weird, and I'm not surprised people disliked him more than I did after that.
Ruin highlighted this further by having Cassie be more avoidant of/helpful to the animatronics, and I've been wondering if that was meant as a course correction. They even added that VR poster of Gregory drying her tears. I think his portrayal in the base game was partially a mistake, and they attempted to fix it. He even gives an overly apologetic speech before he drops Cassie down the elevator shaft. They knew they couldn't have him pull that off without people pinning him as a potential villain at this point.
I definitely think cutting the Shattered Freddy segment, where we see Glamrocks tearing Freddy apart while Gregory deals with the outcome of it, kind of screwed Gregory's character. That was the moment that would've brought reality to the situation.
i mean?he only realy attacked and lied about chica?in the roxy case he was right,it was an accident, roxy jumped in front of his kart, and he attacked monty in self-defence and did not say anything about to freddy- and its an good reminder that cassie ALSO "killed" monty
@@GabrielaLima-vi4ox You're missing my point. My point is that the hamstrung gameplay and story gave him characterization he was never meant to have, and the devs attempted to fix that in Ruin.
Him weaseling around telling Freddy what really happened and ignoring his request to not be given their parts is what makes people sour on him. Those were completely within his control. His comeuppance for that was cut, making him look meaner than intended.
And again, their destruction also would not have been as bad a look if they had not been established as more person-like than previous animatronics. The first time the player is allowed to destroy animatronics on screen in this series is with ones that are shown to be more like people than machines, and with another friendly character begging you not to do it. That's going to make some people raise an eyebrow. Greg read the notes about how the animatronics behave around certain stimuli, as well. He read that Chica likes Monty mix and jumps into the trash compactor after it. He read that Roxy jumps onto the raceway while cars are on it. He read about Monty constantly going onto the catwalks. That's how he knew how to break them.
The devs seemed to have noticed this and immediately set to making Cassie more careful around the bots in her gameplay, and added in backstory and dialogue showing Gregory being more kind and caring. He wasn't meant to be a flawless victim fighting for his life. He was meant to be a likeable and naive kid who accidentally found out that the robots were a bit more feeling than he initially expected.
hi !!! :O) i'm not sure if it was my comment that started the discussion but i'm glad someone is bringing this up,, you've had some really great points and i absolutley agree that they did put gregorys character in a very unintentionally bad light,, i also think he was supposed to be just as likable as cassie perhaps,,
i think a lot of the games less likable writing quirks can absolutely be chocked up to the production,, which is something i feel like a lot of fans either choose to haphazardly glue together without all the missing pieces and try to create literally anything sort of coherent,, or other fans just kinda ignore their least favorite details and enjoy whatever semi-linear head canoned plot they made up,,
the way i intended my original comment to come across,, was that i interpretted gregory's behavior based on the fact that he's been fending for himself on the streets taking everything he can get to protect himself and survive,, and like you couldn't possibly expect a PARENTLESS child to automatically respect and trust an animatronic bear he seemingly just used as a crawl space to hide in,,
i don't think gregory has a well put together personality because security breach as a mess,, a lot of what i've been saying is based on the inference that gregory's history with the pizza plex is based SOLELY on the fact that he needs food,, water,, and shelter,, and that the pizza plex happened to be close by,, and being a kid he was able to just sort of sneak in,, especially because as you could perhaps imagine,, he might be a bit of a sneaky kid,, to be able to get away with that if that's why he IS there in the first place,,
either way,, i feel gregory was dealt an unfair hand in both the world he's in and the world where we watch his experiences on screen,, @@ShrapnelStars
ever since i saw your video about the shattered freddy ending i've thought about it so so much,, it's genuinely my favorite ending,, and i say this as someone who's favorite is in fact glamrock freddy,, he's so important to me
My hot take that I've been waiting for a chance to share:
Michael getting his skin worn + decaying is an even better body horror moment to me than the springlock failure.
Especially because his neighbors saw him decay. No one saw afton except the kids who already knew what was happening. The neighbors had no context. They were probably scarred for life.
@@phantomology13too bad we never actually saw what he looked like in game lmao
Nah, unrealistic and only scary to kids
@tyler2913 if you saw someone’s insides getting ripped out you wouldn’t be scared?
My hot take: Sometimes ignoring canon for the sake of a better story is fine. The FNAF story is so messy and full of contradictions, retcons, and unresolved plot threads that filling in the gaps and trimming off the excess is necessary for telling an actual story. Just because something doesn't entirely line up with what we know/assume to be true doesn't mean it's bad.
Do the details we have imply that Cassidy is the most likely candidate for the "vengeful spirit" that's torturing William in UCN? Yes. Do I think it's more interesting to think it's Evan(the crying child, I know it's not confirmed but this kid is relevant enough that he deserves a name), because then his tormentor is someone personally connected to him instead of just another one of his list of victims? Also yes.
Does it make sense that a stinking, rotting, somehow still alive and kicking corpse like post-scooping Michael Afton would be hired for multiple security jobs in the same company he's been fired from multiple times? No. Is it more interesting if most of the protagonists are Michael rather than an assorted cast of one-and-done nobodies? Yes.
Do we have any reason to assume that William only started killing after Evan's death? No, he could have been killing at any time. But is it more interesting if we assume that it was his son's death that lead to him becoming a serial killer, likely to bring his son back? Absolutely.
We've reached the point where, at least in my opinion, we will likely never "solve" this story. There are always going to be loose threads and details that may or may not be relevant anymore that muddy the waters. I'm more interested in trying to interpret the story in a way that's interesting and makes sense from a story telling perspective, rather than one that's 100% accurate to what we've been told.
>Do the details we have imply that Cassidy is the most likely candidate for the "vengeful spirit" that's torturing William in UCN? Yes.
I will ALSO note, if you connect the dots...
We even know WHY Cassidy would be The Vengeful Spirit, when the others arent.
She was shoved in a *Springlock Suit,* one of the most horrific slow agonizing deaths one could suffer, and if you believe the DCI happened...
William then WORE her for ANOTHER set of murders, forced to watch it happen again from HIS PoV this time.
On top of being murdered, i think that'd be pretty solid justification for "Fuck You in Particular".
AUs exist dude
So if you don't like the lore, you can watch a AU or create your own AU
I don't find Roxy inconsistent. Just because she's nasty to Gregory doesn't mean she has to be a meanie to every child she meets. If we see her as a bully, well, bullies have friends, too. They don't bully everyone they meet, just those they perceive as weaker - and not even all of them, necessarily. Personally, I didn't interpret her as a bully any more than all the other animatronics are. Almost everyone (other than Glamrock Freddy) is trying to kill the player in every game. A few mean voice lines before she STRAIGHT UP MURDERS YOU doesn't make her worse, imho.
I agree with this.
Especially considering that her programming probably wouldn't allow her to insult guests normally. Then again, technians are frustrated that Glamrock Chica eats garbage, so how much of the animitronics' personalities evolve is up to debate.
Also isn't Roxy like, nice to the kid in the DLC? She didn't seem to hate Cassie like she hated Gregory
I agree, she just doesn't like Gregory
Also, to be fair, I feel like her voice lines in the base game are more for herself than anything...like, she's pretty much confirmed to have self esteem issues, isolating herself in a bubble of praise because she's worried that she, in reality, just isn't good enough
So imagine being her, being given the task of getting rid of some kid that snuck into the Plex, and watching as he basically dances around you through the entire place, just about kills your friends, runs you over, and takes your eyes-
@@damienearl8302 exactly I’d be mad too
A few hot takes:
I firmly disagree with the idea that every choice scott makes in his games are intentional. Specifically all the theories to do with colours, especially with earlier fnaf. Colours of text and clothes have sometimes been so relied upon in theories but i think some (if not, most) connections were entirely accidental and, contrastly, disconnections with colours as well (take the pink guy vs purple guy issue way back).
Also I think the story of fnaf has been changed a few times due to popular theories matching too close with the intended story so alterations were made just to not appeal to expectations. This could be why fnaf has become so convoluted over time.
Lastly, fnaf world is a great game 😌
I remember in that Dawko interview with Scott years ago, he was asked to give credit to at least 1 of MatPats theories. His response was "MatPat was right about the contents of the Fnaf 4 box changing over the years".
Scott's implying that yes, the story has undergone retcons over the years. I think your second take could be correct.
Actually the story(apparently) hasn’t been changed that much according to Scott. Saying there’s only been two big retcons and that’s about it. I don’t think he fully plans everytning ahead but I do think he has a rough outline
I agree FNAF world was awsome
Agreed. Especially now with Ruin. I fully believe that hot take that Ruin was simply a response to fans more than actual attempts to follow continuity.
I say this as a self-identified loremaster and someone who considers this series to be their favorite of all time: I hate the lore, I hate the direction it's going, and I hate the people that insist it's all a part of a grand plan and has always been planned and is exactly as it should be. I laugh at anyone who tells me honestly that Scott knew exactly where he was taking the series with Fnaf 4. I laugh at anyone who tells me, honestly, they think Sister Location's Schrödinger's timeline placement is a natural conclusion of an intricately laid out chain of cause and effect. And I _loathe_ anyone who tells me the lore's increasing emphasis on putting in random, brand new details and following them for just long enough to get fans invested before discarding them when Scott gets bored as opposed to telling a compelling story is anything other than utter, fucking, hogwash.
...
I'm passionate about this series, okay!
Hard agree with 17:05. Monty and Chica deserved better for real. Freddy and Roxy feel like people, because they're given a chance to flesh out their personalities through diologue. Monty and Chica just feel like animatronics with a single personality trait gimmick (eating trash and being angry respectively)
Also yes, I wouldn't want Bonnie to be gone forever, but Monty just works SO WELL for the theme of SB. What's more 80's than an ALLIGATOR WITH SUNGLASSES?
exactly monty was done dirty! he didnt get to say anthing in ruin when his voice was never damaged and he is just reduced to being an animal and chica is just there you can cut here out completely and replace her with eclipse and nothing would change!
While I agree giving GR Chica and Monty more personality, Maybe a chance to come back for later games to help flesh them out and giving them a chance to have the same level of fan stardom as GR Freddy and Roxanne.
But I will die on the hill of THANK FUCK they cut GR Chica's valley girl lines.
Maybe it's just me but that is probably the worst accent I've ever heard. And you expect to give it to a HORROR game enemy? Fucking *WHAT?*
Fr monty is still my favorite even without being fleshed out
I agree very much! Monty and Chica deserve so much better! Hopefully if they're planning more DLC or more chapters for Ruin, I hope their personalities get fleshed out more and hopefully they get redemption arcs too like Roxy, Maybe not Monty because he's probably dead but Idk, I don't think it would be fair if Freddy, Roxy and Eclipse get to be the only good guys.
@@shadowbowser5674 man I’m hoping he’s not dead
I think the Pizza Sim job listing was intended for William. Henry probably didn't know William was dead until a mangled Spring Bonnie suit with an adult-sized corpse in it showed up. If William has been missing for years, the easiest way for Henry to lure him out of hiding is with the promise of running another Freddy's establishment.
Then why would there be a way out planned for William?
@@levit0119 Henry plans a way out after realizing he got the wrong guy, not before.
@@sworishinahe definitely says “there WAS a way out planned for you”. And if the goal was to get William and let him go, who is he telling to go to hell?
@@pengoschwortz4734 he planned a way out after finding out it was Mike, not before.
@@sworishina that just sounds like you’re fitting information into your own personal theory. There’s no direct evidence to support the escape was made only after Mike was hired
My hot take that I got from this video is that DeeDee is necessary to ultimate custom night for the fear factor alone. The panic that sets in trying to figure out who was added whilst still juggling the already active animatronics is great, without her the nights would become tedious once you’ve found your balance, DeeDee brings that necessary spice back into the night just when you’ve gotten comfortable.
As much as I hate it, you are absolutely right
i get that but you should be able to just disable her. you shouldnt have to get and use something.
@@chastoxDee Dee repel exists
True however my counter point, fuck deedee (this is a joke you are right deedee does bring the fear factor which is important cause fnaf)
@@Megajaybreaker4 like i said. you should just be ABLE to disable her. you shouldnt have to get a random chance item to do so. she should be like any of the other characters
"Dumptruck, Hot Chicken, Chipmunk, Trash Pile, Sock Monkey, and the one from beyond the sleepless veil" is the best line I have heard in a long time.
I spit out my nonexistent drink laughing at it. Made my day.
My main hot take is I am kind tired of people treating William Afton as some sad, misunderstood man who loved and cared about his kids, or how he only turned evil because of grief and tragedy. People treat this as though this is his canonical origin story because of MatPat.
Ya I think William is evil villain bad could be but insane and broken some to but we don't know William could have went insane broken depressed because of the loss of his two kids and maybe wife like Henry did he went insane after losing his kids and all william not the only one that is not perfect or bad here Michael Elizabeth Ennard that possessed by soul and Henry missing children they all have killed somebody and all sinners and all killer just like William and they all have committed crimes and they're all not perfect just like William there all bad in there own ways also William purple guy 👾 is my favorite character he remind me of slashers ghostface Michael Myers Jason Voorhees ect some villains can be broken and also insane to William ghostface is the man behind the slaughter and I think Elizabeth afton is evil like her father to me daughter and father partner-in-crime.
You can thank Matpat for that,since in his timeline,he thinks that Afton is like this,tragic character instead of like a psychopath
I stopped believing in everything he said after he said in a video that Michael is a Emily instead of a Afton
MatPat doesn't spin him as a sympathetic character though. He says so himself, he wants to explain motivation, not justify the characters actions. MatPat has gone on record saying he doesn't like characters not having clear motives.
@@Dav458 You know he only presented that as a possibility, but never actually went through with it? This is such a gross misrepresentation of the things MatPat says in his videos. He still 100% portrays Afton as the psychopath he is meant to be. You people act like you're allergic to anything that isn't 1-Dimensional character building.
I know! Afton can be seen as a sort of tragic character, sure, but he's a terrible person, through and through.
FNAF World is actually really fun. I enjoyed playing it a lot, although you could chalk that up to me loving RPG's. The soundtrack is really memorable, and it's just some simple fun.
I agree, although I personally think that game could've been about Cassidy, trying to move on after the 50/20 Mode Incident from UCN.
@@Jadinite-2006If it was, that means that FNAF World was meant to be a story for after UCN when Sister Location wasn't even out.
I view it as some spirit trying to create the FNAF 3 minigame hints to help the kids find their Happiest Day
@@firefi1960 I like to imagine, it's nothing too serious.
@@Jadinite-2006 Perfectly reasonable! Everyone can imagine something fictional in any way as far as I care
One of my biggest pet peeves in Ruin is that Roxy went from having the personality she had in SB to being wayyy to similar to Freddy. It just seems like they sanded down her abrasive self-loathing and inferiority/superiority complex because they didn’t know how to write her sympathetically. Everyday I think about what could have been if they had her act aggressive and abrasive and horrible as she does in game, and then have her react very emotionally to Cassie’s presence, instead of having her become Freddy. And anyway, they shouldn’t have had her act as though she thought nothing was wrong and that the pizzeria was still open. She knew her eyes were gone, that Gregory took them, and that things were wrong, if she has that deductive reasoning, she should at least be able to tell that the pizzeria was closed for a long time, if not realizing that her Raceway was completely trashed. It would have hit way harder if her personality didn’t turn a 180, and if she actually noticed and observed her surroundings.
TLDR: They turned Roxy, known hot mess Roxy, into a Freddy clone that they didn’t even allow to notice the pizzeria was done for, thus making her turn good less impactful.
Part of the reason I care so much is I just feel like having that sort of contradictory/complicated person who is a narcissist bully but also a deeply caring and loyal friend could add a much needed character arc and potential draw.
After all, if the characters are handled very well you have less need for an extremely engaging plot, and if your plot is extremely engaging, then you don’t really need characters. FNAF used to coast on its mystery and horror elements, but those have been a sinking ship for awhile. The murder mystery is dead and buried, but the story keeps trying to revive it. It either has to make a new mystery, or find another way to engage people
Besides, the FNAF community had been STARVING for characters with personality since the early days. I really think that if it can nail the characters like it did with the DA, Freddy, Roxy, and to some amount, Monty, it can focus on them a free itself from the shadow of old FNAF. The only way for FNAF to be good again is for it to move forward and reinvent, one way or the other
Roxy was still infected by the virus, all of them are, it turns them vicious.
Ruin Roxy was a look at what she's actually like as a person.
@@prufan Roxy within Roxy Raceway's advertising is portrayed completely differently than how she acts in Ruin. She is still portrayed as competitive, and over the loud speaker she was allowed, which she wouldn't have been if it wasn't in character, to make a comment about how "no one likes a loser." Besides, if taking away the "virus" (which may not even be canon, but I don't particularly care to open that can of worms) makes her into a less compelling, inconsistent character, then its another example of the outstanding storytelling of FNAF completely blowing another one of its chances to be engaging. Even if the virus caused her entire personality pre-Ruin, it doesn't change the fact that Steel Wool fumbled the bag at making a unique, memorable character.
I love Freddy as much as the next fan. I love his goofy fountain comment, I love his existential despair in the endo basement, I love that he cares deeply for Gregory and Bonnie, BUT Roxy becoming so similar to Freddy just makes both of their characters more shallow.
I disagree, it's not that the character has the same purpose, they are copies of each other, for example Brok and Sindri from God of War, they have the same purpose (blacksmiths) but they are completely different and I even venture to say that Roxy in less time game than Freddy was much better developed
If you're a bully with one person, you don't have to be a bully with everyone, as other people have said, bullies have friends
Well now we have the questions
Roxy's endoskeleton:
Roxy learns about the closure:
Roxy knot:
Well, Gregory knows that Roxy is Cassie's favorite so he ties her up to make it more emotionally difficult for Cassie.
Roxy's endoskeleton:
Roxy learns about the closure:
Roxy node: V
And if she is a knot she had to be repaired by Gregory or Vannessa so she thought that the workers are repairing the animatronics and that's why her endoskeleton is different
Roxy's endoskeleton:
Roxy knowing about the closure: V
Roxy node: V
Well I think it gets out of focus
@@Brayan_137 I get what you're saying about roxy being better developed than freddy, and I think its perfectly fine for her to have two-faces, one a bully and one a friend. However, the biggest problem for me is that in Ruin is that they pretty much completely get rid of her bully side. Roxy doesn't just get more development, but that the development replaces everything that came before it.
Roxy's character in SB is a self-concious mess, especially after being shattered. She's also cruel and murderous, telling Gregory things like "no one will miss you" while hunting him down.
In Ruin, this all changes. Her motivation is now the reclamation of her eyes, instead of murdering Gregory, as seen by the "give me back my eyes!" line she says to Cassie. And, although before this moment I believe she has her previous lines, the game throws away all that interesting character and opportunity for dichotomy by making an "error" occur which causes Roxy to be a calmer, kind, and compassionate person, with no hint of the previous narcissism and bullying.
The main problem with this is, in my eyes, that this shift is not meant to be a dichotomy. This shift is a wiping of the board. No seeds are planted for Roxy to have an ugly side to her anymore, no interesting contrast between two sides of her. Heck, her manner of speaking even shifts to be more even and calm. It's just very sad to see a character that was loved for her character complexity get her rough edges shaved down.
P.S. I was really happy when I got your comment. I know that my comments are lengthy as heck, and I really appreciate that you took time out of your day to talk to me
To be fair, Glamrock Chica does have a little bit of implied personality. She's shown to be more empathetic, considering the fact that she runs over to Freddy after he falls over on stage, and, possibly a bit of a stretch, but she's the only one other than Freddy to keep a bowling ball in her room, possibly to remember Bonnie (i think I heard about both of these in an Easter egg video somewhere. Please correct me if I'm wrong). Of course, if this is what they were going for, they didn't really do it that well, and definitely buried this character trait under "oOH! pIZZAAA"
the portrayal of Chica overall points towards her being a dumb animal who's about as concious, yet just as obedient, as an attack dog
@@tomaszhallay6653 That’s true, I suppose. It’s just ridiculous to me that in the game where animatronics are supposed to have deep personalities and self aware AI, Chica is still 90% “pizzaaa”.
What’s even funnier is the fact that Sun shows a deeper personality in the extremely short time he appears. He appears for, like, four minutes, and yet has a deeper personality than one of the main four animatronics.
If only they hadn’t rushed the game 😒
The scraps are definitely underrated, they have cool designs and everything, yet people don't really seem to care about them,
Some people do 😢
Srap Baby is really good
@@aidanpurkiss9457 i know, molten Freddy is my fav animatronic, in my opinion, he's underrated,
Yeah I feel like all them are and I like scraptrap
@@Iguanodon-fb7rs "scarp" baby plus same
I understand not forgiving Roxy for her behavior in bullying Gregory. But the sympathy for her character and the change/how she used to be before the virus we see in Ruin just really solidified her as a favorite character of mine. I like her competitiveness, she reminds me of Princess Daisy. I mean, this is probably just the feminist in me but Roxanne is literally the owner of a salon and constantly encouraged other kids in their appearances as we saw with Cassie.
But the tragic thing is, in Security Breach we see that despite this she's still insecure about her own image. I think that personally speaks volumes about what her true character is.
Just saying but how cold the hottest FNAF character be insecure
Thanks for saying this. I typed up this long, effusive post trying to say more or less the same thing, but you said it better and in four fewer paragraphs.
@@xtra_gaming7801ayo
Also I bet the virus is what made her start acting negatively towards the kids, however Cassie had her birthday there before that, also explains why we see Gregory in some of the VR cutouts in the Salon area, seemingly implying that the Virus took over not long after Cassie's birthday, might even be implying that her birthday was the last one they had planned before everything went downhill in Security Breach.
Hot take in two parts:
1: The animatronics being self aware in Security breach was a can of worms that this series should have never opened
*especially given it is basically never acknowledged or written with it in mind*
2: Following up from this, I think it would have been cool if there had been an alternate path where you could free them from the [hacking?/virus?] instead of shattering them.
...I don't know it... just didn't sit right with me
Like have them be able to ride in them and use their abilities, like what Matpat theorize sometime ago
Number one I can agree with absolutely I mean how? Are they possessed if not then is it AI since when did fazbear entertainment switch from remnant power to artificial intelligence hell since when did fazbear entertainment create near sentient artificial intelligence how sophisticated is this artificial intelligence where does it start where does it end how are we supposed to tell what's an AI and what's powered "by the souls of the damned" second one I'm pretty sure you're just being overly sympathetic for the characters that you're a fanboy / fan girl for which is something the fandom has been doing for years so I won't judge you
@@therandomcommenter6629 1: Yeah, this is why I said "[it] was a can of worms that the series should have never opened"
I mean... taking it to the extreme...does Freddy have rights? Is he Property...can he Own Property?...is he employed by the company? is he forced to work?
2: Yeah that's fair and I will not fight the accusation, there is a non-0 chance that I only want to save them because I think the characters are cool
(Kinda funny in a way given "Save them- You cannot" is a rather important Quote/theme/message in the series)
@@therandomcommenter6629 >since when did fazbear entertainment switch from remnant power to artificial intelligence
To be fair, they've already HAD incredibly advanced AI since FNAF 2.
Animatronics that are capable of walking around, scanning and reading a criminal database and such, in the fuckin 80s?
In 2020 we're STILL massively struggling with Things walking upright, god forbid in the 80s.
I honestly wouldnt be shocked that something set over *40* years would advance from fairly advanced AI/machinery to what it is at that point...
>how are we supposed to tell what's an AI and what's powered "by the souls of the damned
That's definitely a tough one, though i've had the thought "What if Cassie Possessed Roxy", which would involve one character possessing/potentially taking away control from ANOTHER Character, or simply having to "coop" the body like in Stitchwraith :V
@@higueraft571 oh don't worry I know fazbear entertainment is advanced as fuck which I guess makes sense when both of your company's founders are mechanical geniuses and one of them is harnessing the power of the Supernatural the fazbear r&d department & Afton robotics would be putting things like Boston dynamics to shame just with the AI....wait you might be on to something fnaf 2 toy criminal database facial recognition made by Henry Charlie Bot isn't possessed by anything that's just AI made by Henry everyone and their mother is calling Edwin a Henry parallel....MY GOD William uses souls and Henry uses AI just like William uses suits and Henry uses robots!
Tbh I don't know if it's just me assuming, but I feel like Monty does have the potential for some personality we can gather through environmental storytelling rather than outright voice lines. From all the cutouts and his stuff in Gator Golf, Monty to me seems like the cool, chill character for kids who are a little more reserved to latch on to. A little aloof, but friendly and respectable. I guess he doesn't really have much depth besides the character, but I think it being there is enough to say he's not got any. I would like more though, obviously, I love Monty and will always want more.
Speaking of environmental storytelling, Sun and Moon's room in Ruin definitely felt like it was saying something. Not sure what exactly, but something. Something like what Sun (and Moon?) desire their room, their daycare to look like contrasted with reality. That was some real depression room.
I do wonder what exactly was going on with that animatronic. It seemed very strange that they'd let the whole place into disrepair when cleanliness is so important to them.
The actual Monty robot doesn’t act chill at all though, which is puzzling.
We could always say “Well, maybe the cutouts are all just lies, I mean, do we really trust the backstory from the log ride?”
The cutouts seem to have decently accurate portrayals of all the _other_ characters though. Why does only Monty have such a stark contrast between his advertised character & his observable character?
My personal small hot take is that if the "You and Me, Forever and Ever. Love, Freddy" poster was in either Roxy or Chica's room. No one would've denied the implications of it or would try to say "they're just besties".
Not really an important take just smth that's been on my mind.
nah u right
There’s also other evidence of Glamrock Freddy and Bonnie being more than friends, like the fact that they are heavily inspired by real life queer men that dated each other or the fact that Freddy’s voice actor is apart of the Lgbtq+ community as well
ooo I never thought about that but your definitely right
Honestly, the idea of 1-3 being an Afton that kills kids for the sake of it, then dying to them and then a brother that wants to use technology to bring back his brother and have that be the plot for 4-6 would have been awesome. Makes Elizabeth idolizing the idea of her deceased father that was said to be great by her uncle and going onto becoming Baby would have been really cool. Micheal working with Henry to put everything to rest also works. Even makes the Orange guy thing work, as still an Afton, but not William. The more modern era focusing on the legacy they left with a crazed copycat taking on the mantle. Sounds kinda cool
I sort of have a head cannon that Eclipse was an unfinished program after Sun and moon were moved from the theatre to the daycare that would’ve been his daycare attendant persona, but the kids liked Sun and moon enough that they just decided not to go through with him. Hence the lack of advertisement and his slight loopiness, and the fact that he’s what shows up when you reboot Sun and Moon, because he was probably gonna be set as the default but they just didn’t finish his program.
Do I think this is what Steelwool was thinking? No.
But I think it explains a lot of issues with his sudden appearance and makes me feel less guilty for liking him.
This is actually brilliant
One opinion of mine is that its weird william was the first person to discover remnant. Are you telling me that no one else killed multiple children and discover it. Another is that perhaps william poisoned the children. Hear me out, i know lots of people say he stabbed them but that would make noise and risk a springlock failure. He couldve lured them in, slipped some cyanide in the cake, and boom no noise.
I think the reason he discovered Remnant is because no one had ever stuffed kids into animitronics before. Animitronics are much more mobile than other objects that would be near murder victims. Their design would allow for someone to see a possessed thing move around on its own.
@@tinaherr3856 great point but it's still strange nevertheless
Yeah William wanted to accomplish immortality Remnant souls eternal life live eternity Afton family and all so William always comes back because immortal remnants souls and all.
@@shumanakazawa this conversation has me thinking on older equivalents to the possessed animitronics throughout history. Could mannequins in the Victorian Era be possessed? How about clockwork models, steam punk style? Haunted armors?
@@tinaherr3856 Imagine if remnant was discovered in medieval times after someone killed a few people and hid their body's in suits of armor
It’s nice seeing people in the FNAF community having there own opinions on certain aspects that they agree or disagree on because remember not everyone thinks William Afton is actually purple.
He just wears a purple bathrobe and looks fabulous. XD
William juust wears a very stylish purple suit
I though he wore a purple Disco Suit every where he went.
I think the big issue with Roxy's behavior is something that comes up a lot: a lack of a transition state. People are in places and do things, but we often don't get any indication of how they got there or why. Roxy's behavior in SB makes sense in the context of SB, and her behavior in Ruin makes sense in the context of Ruin, but there's not a lot of thought put into how she's "supposed" to behave outside the games. I think a large chunk of the local problem goes away if you just cut the lethal jumpscare from Ruin, so you _could_ believe that, on her own, Roxy wouldn't _kill_ Gregory (but is still very angry for perfectly understandable reasons).
Honestly, going through all these takes has given me a new hot take of my own: I don't think Ruin was an improvement on some of the flaws of Security Breach, I think it actually undermined a lot of what SB accomplished. Sure, SB a lot of execution issues and story gaps, but it still stands out as having a more complete identity. It's a well-realized setting, Gremlin and Bear Dad are distinct characters with defined personalities, and it has clear stakes and goals. A lot of Ruin seems to be focused on pulling it back into the old standby of being "mysterious" and "spooky" without trying to be cohesive. When your expansion causes people to debate whether what it's expanding on even happened, you have serious story issues.
"but there's not a lot of thought put into how she's "supposed" to behave outside the games." But Ruin shows us how Roxy is supposed to act, SB Roxy was infected with a virus and that's still there in Ruin.
"Roxy wouldn't kill Gregory" how about an infected version of her?
She's after Gregory due to the virus and for what he did to her, Cassie was never a target and is in the system as a guest.
And Cassie is a better written character over Gregory, the former is given a backstory, a father(no mother)who is a technician for the Pizzaplex, she comments on every item and reacts like a kid, she's capable of empathy. The latter is pretty ruthless and unlikable to many people, we know almost nothing about him in the games, he doesn't act like a kid, he barely reacts to things.
Except that is what they did? Roxy is given the directive to attack by the security system. There is legit the cutscene afterwards where she grabs Cassie thinking it is Gregory and does not kill her, she demands her eyes back.
I think the reason why people dislike Fnaf shipping is because of the MCI or the fact they’re robots. I personally don’t care if they are shipping the Fnaf characters, but then it’s a weird grey line if it’s the Fnaf 1 characters with a kid stuffed inside the suit or Springtrap because he’s literally a zombie
The vast majority of people ship the characters themselves, so no dead kids are involved.
@@sophitiaofhyrule yeah see I notice that too but it’s when it comes to spring trap I get confused cause some are William Afton inside the spring trap costume shipped with like Fnaf 1 foxy and my brains like “Wait a minute. If it’s William Afton and not Zombie bunny man. Does that mean there’s a dead kid stuff in the foxy costume somehow” and then it’s concerning and I hate my brain for thinking too deep about it
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Well yeah all the animatronics could to be possessed by multiple random ghosts and kids Ghosts souls or adult random nightguard Michael Henry and kids ect there was a random adult night guard or adult teen person that was hung in sister location so it probably possessed a random robot animatronic to?
@buenosdias232 Except in the case of the Glamrocks, which are refreshingly NOT involving any dead children possessing them.
I guarantee there's a show out there with zombie characters who are shipped together. Zombies are practically humans
About the take of 'Michael wasn't the protagonist in FFPS', there's another point that has to be considered.
If Michael wasn't the one who took the job, then why would Henry say 'There was an exit planned out for you to escape. But I have a feeling this is right where you want to be.'
If Henry didn't know it was Mike and didn't know of his wish to burn alongside everything else, then who else would he have said that to?
Exactly, not to mention William’s dialogue “you might not recognize me at first but I assure you it’s still me”
Idk maybe they rlly hated life
"They're robots why are you shipping them" Tell that to transformers.
Transformers have an actual explaination for shipping. More than robots, they're living organism woth feelings and thoughts of their own, they also don't have the notion of gender.
@@wafagdplqs4421But Transformer ships are super cute and wholesome. Like Rewind and Chromedome, drift and Ratchet and everyone in idw finding drift to be hot for some reason.
I don't know if it's a hot take, but after reading the FNAF Charlie-trilogy novels in graphic novel form, the best part of the stories was Jessica each and every single time. Mostly because everybody else would make the usual horror movie decisions, especially our main protagonist of whichever book we're on, and Jessica is always telling them 'What are you stupid!? You're going to DIE!" but is a good enough friend to make sure they'll be okay too. Carlton and the police officer are also pretty good, but Jessica was weirdly *consistently* the voice of reason, stuck in a B-movie horror flick.
CARLTON IS THE BEST
@@BlueAvocado3 HE IS! I'd put him up there with Jessica, even if sometimes he does fumble a little. But Carlton and Jessica were both the most normal people/well written characters, because they actually would think, and call things out.
The idea about Roxy just turning good and there is no virus, isn't true. She found Cassie but notices she's not Gregory then says "I'm sorry... Error". When Freddy had an error at the beginning, he rebooted into safe mode. Eclipse was having severe malfunctions and needed to be manually rebooted. How do people play the games and ignore things *LITERALLY* IN THEIR faces! 🙄
Ikr, it's really annoying when people overlook important details as "not important", as they don't line up with their theories, and later get mad at the story because of it ._.
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It's like people that skip all the chat dialogue then say they didn't like the story because of "plot holes".
This right here is so true! How the fuck can anyone say Roxy being good now is inconsistent or convoluted? That is how she really is without The Mimic's influence.
Nah, Mikey was at FFPS, the hot taker is just misinterpreting dialogue.
Henry says "my brave volunteer, who somehow found this job listing not intended for you". That does _not necessarily_ mean that there was a specific intended target. (if that was the case, saying "this job listing, intended for someone else" would make more sense) It could instead mean that the volunteer is a *significant person Henry was not expecting.* It wasn't intended for Michael, but he showed up anyway.
I also would assume Henry doesn't know about the specifics of the scooping, Michael being a zombie, etc. As far as he knew, Mike was just irrelevant, but then turns up and surprisingly wants to die alongside his family, so Henry rolls with it
Plus as others have said, if the player character was indeed just some rando, why would they be willing to die?
It's not that Roxy is nice now, it's that she is nice to Cassie, is probably programmed to be nice to guests in general. She isn't just magically no longer a narcissist anymore because we saw her be nice to one person. I feel like people need to understand that.
True, Roxy and Cassie are friends. And she was being controlled by Vanny in Security Breach. In Ruin, Roxy's just acting like how she's supposed to when she interacts with Cassie.
Roxy isn't necessarily narcissist but She's REALLY insecure
please don't use the term narcissist lightly. living with one is living hell. being raised by one, is even worse.
Roxy is deeply, deeply insecure about herself, and has a competitive streak. if she was supposed to be anything it would likely be borderline personality and people with that are normally very good to people who are good to them, but if triggered can act how we saw her do towards greg
@@MartianCandies That is fair enough. Sorry, mate.
@@BisManTheBisMan
thank you, I truly truly appreciate it a lot. so many people don't know just how abusive and vindictive narcs are, so I don't hold anything against you, a lot of people don't even know what a true narcissist with NPD is actually like thanks to media portrayals, and it being used so lightly in it. people think being vain or self centered = narcissist, but it's way more. it's them putting all their feelings on a pedestal, forcing you to listen to their anger, but lashing at you anytime you show too much emotion; even simply crying to yourself. it's them trying to make you dependant on them, so they can try and control you and keep you under their thumb. it's them tearing down any semblance of caring for yourself that you have, any modicum of being happy. it's like they can just sense when you're feeling good, and they can't have it. they make themselves feel better by making you feel worse. but of course, they're vain too and thinks everyone loves them, and the fake mask they put on people on the outside might think they do, but once those people see the mask slip and acknowledge it, they're thrown to side after a lash out.
if Roxy was indeed a narcissist, she would've emotionally and mentally tore Greg down way more, she would've toyed with him, she would've probably tried tricking him to be dependent on her. instead, from what I can recall, it seems she's someone(some robot? lmao-) with a deep inferiority complex she tries to cover by acting superior. she has extreme self loathing issues that she seems to project when upset and hurting.
now I don't know too much about ruin so please correct me, but if she was a narcissist at heart, she would've only been fake nice to Cassie until she got what she needed from her, then she would've discarded her or abandoned her. so really from what I think, the being hacked into/possession made her come off as much nastier than she actually is at heart. it's kinda similar to bpd really, when you're triggered and hurting and scared of being abandoned, lashing out can happen, but the difference between that and narcissist lashing out is that narcs do it fully intentioned, whereas with BPD it's more like a cornered caged animal response; they don't mean to, and they feel awful for it after they're in a clear state.
sorry for the book but I just really like bringing awareness to to what it's like to really have to exist with one, and I find the topic of Roxs personality (and it being disordered) super interesting to think about and discuss. and I agree with you, so TLDR; her being hacked doesn't really justify her saying something so awful to a child, (which I heard a lot growing up from my birther, so honestly it's definitely a narc thing to say), but I don't think she's truly a narcissist (:
also, have you watched game theory's video on security breach, the one where they theorize Gregory is actually an animatronic himself, built by Ms Afton to try and replicate the crying child? I think that's so interesting!
You know the thing that I really find interesting about fnaf is that nothing is cannon. Elizabeth being William's daughter, michael foxy bro... all of it is a theory that fandom has made together. I'm pretty sure we never even hear the names William, Charlie or Henry. We hear thier dialoge, but never their names. Every ultimate timeline or whatever is just one massive headcannon, and I find that very interesting
Yeah it's interesting and it shows the fandom is the one truly writing the story
At the same time, its kind of annoying. At least to me.
There's just very little solid ground when it comes to the story, specially now that its very convoluted.
Pretty sure Pizza Sim lists Scraptrap as "William Afton" in the credits. We never learn the Crying Child's name, though, even though fandom has largely agreed it was probably Evan.
The only canon is that the bear's name is Freddy... Or Freadbear... or Ned Bear.
Aight the Elizabeth thing is cap
Roxy could’ve been developed if they just had a scene where she acknowledges the things she said to Gregory and apologizes for it. It would make the “hacked animatronic” story actually mean something, rather than basically just “these robots just really hate Gregory”
I can literally imagine it, something like “When I was under that ‘thing’s control, I said and did some really horrible things. I was acting like a… loser.”
Also, Chica’s new personality really reminds me of binge eating disorder, which is interesting and surprising to see represented in anything, especially FNAF. Though I’d love if we could see some kind of guilt after her binges that would give her more character, rather than just a dog-like need to chew everything
Absolutely agree!
I think the whole inconsistency of Roxy in Ruin is a good point from a writing standpoint, and it's pretty clear it's pandering to the fandom. Not to mention Roxy showing up just in time to attack Mimic... after somehow finding her way around the underground bunker and cave system... while blind. lol Now all that said, I don't really hold her words in SB specifically against her, because the possession/infection aspect overrides that. As it does for the behavior of all the Glamrocks (including Freddy in the books). I mean, Gregory was a full-fledged murderer when he was possessed lol. But I don't hold that against him either.
The fact that she can bodyslam who she thinks is Gregory is a stronger argument... even though I'm iffy on "non-canon" jumpscares that are meant to serve as a game-related consequence only. It's like when Ennard attacks Michael in Night 5 of SL while he's trying to get to the scooping room. The Funtimes would have to be pretty stupid to set up this elaborate scheme, and then blow it by killing him too soon lol. Although granted, they could... probably still make it work. Eugh.
but how is Roxy inconsistent, we mostly see the infected version of her in SB and that's not the normal Roxy.
@@prufan Well, I'm speaking more in terms of writer intent. It's pretty hard to not notice the shift in writing Roxy in Ruin, compared to Chica and Monty, who are also free of infection, but have just degenerated so bad they have no thought left. For the record, this goes for Sun/Moon as well as a clear nod to the fandom. But there was at least a little more going for that since Sun was hardly an enemy even while infected.
How do you know they don't still have a virus? Literally all evidence suggests otherwise.@@damkylan3
To be entirely fair with Sister Location there, the entity attacking you is still an amalgamation, so it is entirely believable that it is kinda twitchy and unpredictable. As in, Circus Baby has this big plan and is patient in it and the other three go "oh sh*t, dude did not follow instructions, he must be trying something funny!" and then they just take control and move in to attack.
Infact, that is the only time in the game where you get insta-killed for a mistake and the rest has at least some room for error, which strenghens that reading.
the thing with filling in previous plotholes is that FNAF's story constantly changes with every new installation. it's the exact reason why Scott won't confirm what was in the FNAF 4 box, so he can hold on to it until he finally sets his heart on what he wants the contents (and the entire story as a whole) to be. even if the box was during the dead children era, Scott would've revealed it by now if he didn't need it to be relevant for a future era. Scott probably won't confirmed anything until the end of the franchise.
MatPat theorized that Scott's secret retcon was changing the Puppet from representing the Crying Child to representing Charlie, and I honestly believe it. Crying Child's role completely changed from being Afton's first victim to being his son. I guess Scott changed his mind on who he wanted Crying Child to be during the development of FNAF 4 and chose Charlie as the convenient replacement.
I also got a second hot take: Michael is a morally grey character.
His speech at the end of Sister Location's Custom Night is very interesting to me, and it feels like people have ignored/haven't noticed certain words and phrasing when he speaks. For the long and short of it, I believe Michael knew about the murders before SL and knew William was doing it, but decided to look the other way (probably like Henry does).
Michael says this: "...they (the animatronics) were all there. They didn't recognise me at first, but then... they thought I was you. *scoffs/bitter laugh/sigh*"
What's interesting about this is that Michael shouldn't be surprised that there are animatronics in the rental facility they are stored at, and it's odd that he comes to the conclusion that they only targeted him because he looked like William. (The two technicians that we find dead could have been used as skin suits, but they weren't used. The animatronics were targeting Michael specifically.)
Michael also doesn't seem to care about them, either. He doesn't say "They're free now." he says "She's (Elizabeth) free now." even though all of them got out.
I think what has happened is that while Michael wasn't working for William, he did know about the murders and simply turned a blind eye. It would be very easy to manipulate him into doing something like this. Michael's killed his brother, and William has found a way to 'bring things to life' by killing others. All he would have to say to Michael is that he could bring the Crying Child back if he committed these murders, and all Michael would have to do is keep his mouth shut about what was going on, because if William is a suspect, the police would have questioned Michael as well to confirm things like allibies and stuff. Keep in mind that Michael went into this job knowing that the animatronics were haunted because of what he said before, and he comes to the conclusion that they only attacked him because he looked like William.
I think Michael knew what William was doing, but was manipulated into staying quiet. Then after he dies in SL, he basically decides to switch teams and go after him. Not to help him, but to kill him. It's like the sport's teacher watching a game of soccer and seeing one team getting bodied by the other, so they decide to join the losing team to curb-stomp the winning team. He decided to switch teams mid-game.
That's also why I never bought the idea that he didn't know what was going on before SL took place and that was why he went after William because if that was the case, Michael shouldn't know about other ghosts (aside from Elizabeth) possessing robots.
If that is the case, I would be perfectly fine with it, and it's a really interesting thing to think about. Whether it is true or not, it adds a nice layer to his character, because, unlike Henry, he decides to go after William earlier than him. Whether that was out of revenge or because he realised he had made a mistake and wanted to atone for what he did, is up to you.
Hot take, Willam ripped off Dr. Robotnik. I mean come on, shoving living things into robots? Totally an Eggman move!
Also he ripped off the joker, so Harley quinn ripped off vanny
Hot take: I wish Scott did another FNAF World, that shit was lit. If not, another Desolate Hope.
I just want another rpg from Scott or another of his sci-fi games cuz the atmosphere is quite unique and i love them.
I do agree with that Ruin take. The story doesn't work with what SB had set up and you can tell with how they slowly added that story tree from the books the closer we got to Ruin in small little spots as engravements or stamps on things. Mimic,who I think is the first FNAF character I hate,being Burntrap still doesn't make sense because they say it's been sealed up for a long time,yet it was free to be Burntrap? Vanny broke concrete,gave him the flesh and suit of William,it suddenly got bored with being William and ripped the suit off,and somehow Vanessa and Gregory shoved him back in his hole then sealed him up again? Plus if Burntrap is just Gregory imagining things cause he found the Burntrap room when they were sealing/found Mimic,why would he imagine Burntrap and not Springtrap since he was featured in all the cover ups Fazbear Ent. had created or even Scraptrap since he's on the arcade games in the Pizza Plex. I do believe that Glitchtrap was a copy of William,but he's just that. William. He's not the Mimic Program 1.2067. It's William being stitched together.
I also still find it odd Chica's voice box is in the Pizza Plex,but our Freddy is gone with it still attached to him despite being a head,since he's able to talk in PQ ending. I guess that issue just depends on whether fixing her voicebox will be canon or not,but it's still so weird that our Freddy is gone with it,but it's still there. I also might be a little bias because Glamrock Freddy is my favorite Freddy designs,as well as being one of my favorite Freddy alongside Funtime Freddy,and i'd be really bummed out that it's gone after one game.
Also also,Glamrock Bonnie was clearly shoved in as Easter Egg solely so they could focus on the Mimic.
it was a spare voice box.
>Mimic,who I think is the first FNAF character I hate,being Burntrap still doesn't make sense because they say it's been sealed up for a long time,yet it was free to be Burntrap?
Honestly, it's pretty certain they're separate characters.
>I do believe that Glitchtrap was a copy of William,but he's just that. William. He's not the Mimic Program 1.2067. It's William being stitched together.
Disagree here, Glitchtrap is likely Mimic, but also consider:
It hunts down and pries the Enragement Child off William, freeing him from UCN, so it can learn from him.
You've now got TWO separate villains. Will they fight, or work together? Would you help one to kill the other?
Burntrap is 100% still canon i do agree.
>but it's still so weird that our Freddy is gone with it,but it's still there.
Likely a spare.
@@higueraft571 I actually think MimicBurntrap (or whatever the acronym for it is) could still work.
Disclaimer, this is heavily based off of my personal interpretation of the Mimic's character and what I will believe will be done with it.
If you listen closely during the Mimic's introduction, it sounds like it truly does believe that it is Gregory, and sounds confused and angry when Cassie says it's not. It seems to me that when that the Mimic doesn't just imitate people, it BECOMES them, and those people's personalities become its personality. Building off of this, Mimic taking off the Burntrap skin could be it deciding on its own that William Afton was not who it was, and took it off so it could find out someone else that it was. I believe the Mimic's story will be about it mimicing various people, trying to find out who it is, and ending either in a clustered mess of personalities or one personality that's like an amalgamation of those it has mimicked.
I actually really like Glamrock Bonnie's design. I think it fits in just enough. And in fact, I never saw a fan design I was fully on board with, which I think gives credence to your theory that people that did are just holding the new one to an unfair standard, even if subconsciously.
The thing that gets me is that from what I remember from back in the day, shipping was pretty damn big in the fandom in the very early days. Before the animatronics actually had defined characters, really. Foxy and Mangle, Bonnie and Chica... I think the modern backlash against it is the fandom wanting to seem more "mature" by casting out things they view as teenage tumblr fanfic bullshit, such as shipping. But maybe I'm just salty and biased because I was a VanGuard shipper before they turned out to be the same person 💀
Monty and Chica *did* get majorly shafted in both Security Breach and Ruin, which really, really doesn't leave all too much for me to work with in terms of personality for my rewrite fanfic. No deeper insights I just need to vent about is somewhere.
M.X.E.S. _is_ attractive. Say it. Coward.
Oh and my own personal hot take is that Fnaf World is a good, fun game. It's not _deep_ and I fully understand that at the time that it came out, with the lore it was trying and failing to solve, and especially with how much worse it was on release than it is now, the backlash at the time was understandable and well-earned. But I actually love that game and in retrospect I feel like people should be more lenient with it. It's hardly Scott's magnum opus, he's literally made better free to play RPGs (play The Desolate Hope it's legitimately pretty good if you get past the jank and obtuse mechanics), but Fnaf World is still a dumb, stupid, fun game to turn your brain off and have fun with. Or Nuzlocke if you're Astral Spiff. But presumably you're not. Anyways I agree with that one hot take, I hope the game gets some sort of spiritual sccessor, whether official or fan-made. Well actually I hope it gets an update 3 but that boat sank ages ago so I'll settle for the next best thing.
"The Entity" do be looking good 👀
Im really think that the motive from why scrap animatronics are hated is because of certain character that has a jimmy neutron/peanut design head ruins other character from other game of the series that is considered "the worst one"
It's interesting that people will hold Roxy's words against her, and won't accept the explanation that she was hacked into/posessed. And yet people are more than willing to defend the likes of William Afton, or even Monty even though they did far worse than Roxy ever did. I think murdering people/costars out of their own free will trumps a few mean things said while under the influence of a hack or possession. Also I like to look at her portrayal in Ruin as this is the "real" Roxy, as in how she is towards people when not being controlled. If it wasn't Gregory it would have been anybody, so it's not like it's _him_ specifically she hates.
Also, I would bet my house that if someone crashed a car into you, mangling your body and then stealing an organ from you, you'd probably go off the deep end too. Especially if you were already struggling with self-esteem/self-loathing issues.
I'm pretty sure Henry was just intending for some rando to take the job, and was surprised when Michael stepped up. The job wasn't intended for Michael, but he considers that part a happy accident as it allows yet another piece to finally come to rest. That seems like the simplest explanation.
I like the take that Chica's "lack" of personality is more in so referencing how when getting taken over by the glitch, she'll become the most robot like out of all, all her dialogue feels somewhat generic, like "our security staff can help" and the fact she walks like a zombie. Sort of alluding to the animatronics of pasts games, as aside from Freddy, she's an incarnation from an old school character.
My hot take is very recent. I HATE that gas is what causes the FNAF 4 nightmares. I looked into the story and it works and fits well in the story. What I hate is that they used gas and not the sound illusion disk I love that mechanic and it's a shame it's not used in the series more.
As the stories are not always 1 to 1, there is still a possibility that FNAF 4 nightmares used the illusion disks. I don't think they'll specify further tho.
Since Rory was stuck in that bunker for a decade, presumably starting in 1983 when Aftons descend roughly started. I see the gas as a precursor to the disks before Afton truly understood how to utilize fear.
@@christophergirardi8145it makes sense, it has been said that Rory's bunker was left abandoned, so maybe Afton moved on from gas to sound because it's more efficient maybe
@@Mr._Dooter I think Henry was the one to make them, considering how Cassette tapes are themed into his character. Afton could be the one that improves Henry's creations.
Huh.. I usually hear that people hate the illusion disks. Interesting take ngl.
This is gonna be long.
Back in the day, Crying Child being the Puppet was inconceivable to me, simply because of the SAVE HIM minigame. However, when I think about it today, it really could have been a nice alternative, even if it meant retconning a part of FnaF 2. The design similarities, "giving life" to the plushies, the grandfather clock... It all makes sense. And with Scott saying he didn't put any random Easter eggs in the game, it was a valid interpretation. CC didn't even need to be Purple Guy's son. Heck, even though I'm a Mikevictimer (flexible, because I'm opened to other takes) I don't even think CC and his family HAVE to be Afton. That's one of my hot take : characters don't have to be Afton or Emily to be important.
When it comes to other takes presented in this video :
• Ennards and Mimic were brought up and I'm gonna say this : they should have been the same. Ennards has a far more interesting design, has a lot of untapped potential and was the first animatronic to use mimicry abilities, so Mimic isn't special. The thought of this nightmarish amalgamation of a machine using Elizabeth's voice to manipulate Michael is honestly still terrifying and twisted as far as I'm concerned. Imagine hearing your little sister's voice begging you to trust her. You know she's dead, you know it cannot be her. But she's somehow out there, because this monster is toying with you. In a perfect world in which Mike gets to be someone and actually emote, he's crying and yelling "You're not her !" at Ennards while he's trying to survive in the secret room. Ennards needed and deserved some spotlight as a villain.
• Speaking of villain, I was as disappointed as anyone else when SB came out and Vanessa didn't show up as much. I was hyped for her and was certain Vanny and Security Girl would be different people, and I still think them being separate people could have worked better. Maybe mix possession and Vanny being already fucked up in the head before Afton began influencing her. Idk.
One thing that frustrates me HORRIBLY in SB is how it's clearly established that both Gregory and Vanessa killed people... And yet, nobody cares ? Vanny murdered kids, Greg murdered like 4 therapists and possibly one of his friends (GGY). But it's okay, because they were being manipulated ! So there are no consequences. Nothing. Victims are not brought up, ever. Their murderers are free, that's all that matters. Like yeah, okay, that's not their fault, but STILL.
• I'm kinda mean to scientist William because I think it's handled really badly, especially in TFC where it's straight up laughable. However, him being aware of possession and maybe trying to use it in some way to bring a family member back or something could have been interesting.
• I don't give a f*ck about Glamrock Bonnie.
•FNaF WORLD was good and y'all are just mean.
• Mikevictim is fine stop being d*cks.
• Huge lore pieces and reveals SHOULD be in the games, screw the books.
EDIT : There are also far too many ghost kids who are all underdeveloped.
>Ennards and Mimic were brought up and I'm gonna say this : they should have been the same.
Disagree, if anything them INTERACTING would be neat. An "Endo" made of William's victims, firmly on the Supernatural side, and another on the Technological side, both being antagonists.
>However, him being aware of possession and maybe trying to use it in some way to bring a family member back or something could have been interesting.
POSSIBLY?
Although it's pretty clear before he started killing he wasnt that nice OR perfectly stable. You dont try egging your youngest son into hating your eldest son if you're normal. Or using a childish fear against them as a weapon.
My assumption on his motives are simple:
He killed in a spur-of-the-moment Impulse when an unstable man was in a pretty fucked mindset.
His killing later clueing him into ACTUAL REAL IMMORTALITY (Probably), something with actual physical evidence... something that an untold number of people in real life have murdered and died for the mere WHIFF of (Fountain of Youth, Philosopher's Stone, all the Alchemical Elixirs (Ever heard of Mercury? Chinese Emperors sure did, it makes them immortal they heard :V), etc.
Gotta confirm that it's not a fluke/you can reproduce it, hence MCI.
>Mikevictim is fine stop being d*cks.
Mikevictim is kind of impossible for one reason:
Unless Foxybro is a grown adult (and we see grown adults, he is not one), BV is far, FAR too young. He's like... what, 7-10 at most? While Foxybro/Michael is likely 14 or so, early Puberty but the growth spurt's already happened.
Michael works at FNAF 2 in 1987, that'd put BV at 11-14, and Michael at 18.
>There are also far too many ghost kids who are all underdeveloped.
True.
While I agree gregory was in the right to fight back against the animatronics.
The big issue is his attitude towards them.
Freddy is constantly vouching for the animatronics. Convinced there must be something affecting them.
And he's Right.
Yet for as much as they like eachother at the end. Gregory never seems to take freddys words seriously. Just destroying the animatronics and not even having the decency to be honest to freddy about what he did.
@1slayer959 although Freddy was right that something was wrong his friends, he didn’t really bring it up all that much I’m pretty sure it was only twice, and even then they never found out about the virus.
Also with Gregory lying to Freddy about with the others, can you blame him? The situation is dire, the others and Vanny are trying to kill him with Freddy being the only one who’s trying to protect Gregory, while I don’t think Freddy would have just abandoned Gregory had he told him the truth. But that’s a risk Gregory understandable didn’t want to take.
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I mean even in the games cannon. Greggory from the start knows, (somehow) that vannessa is behind the danger.
So his attitude towards them still doesn't track when you consider his gaurdian is one of them.
Consider the line in game
"All they've done all night is try to hurt me?!" Under his breath "they get what they deserve" even in the context of this game. Greggory knows vannessa is the mastermind or at the very least the one in command.
So him acting like the animatronics that
A: he should know aren't in control of themselves
And
B: he'd know also feel pain
Are just as responsible. In front of Freddy. Living proof it's not that black and white. Feels very malicious. We can't even say it's childish ignorance. Greggory isn't an idiot. We know the kid borders on super genious in the books.
i think a lot of this comes down to cut content/time.
Freddy never tries to talk it over with the animatronics like he did in the cut content.
The fact that roxie goes annoyed teenage sister on freddy when you enter the room as him shows they're still in there.
I think some of the content cut may have included more of freddy and Gregory actually trying to get to the bottom of things.
Defend themselves? If it comes down to it. Ofcourse. I'm not blaming greggory for acting in self defense. But he's not a dumb child incapable of understanding his situation.
@1slayer959 The reason Gregory acted the way he does in the books is because he was under the control of Glitchtrap that's why he acted so smart, and in SB its clear that he doesn't remember his time under said control, when he talks about Vanessa to Freddy he said that he didn't know who she was, and when referring to Vanny he would call her the 'Rabbit lady' so he doesn't know that she's behind everything, in fact him and Freddy's don't suspect that Vanessa is Vanny until they find out Vanny's name.
Gregory's attitude towards the others does make since, like NotRealName NotAtAll said remember that when Gregory meets Freddy, Freddy is kind and friendly to him and is helping him and that continues threw out the game. While the others they are braking fences to get to him, hitting security doors to offices that he's in to get him, and Roxy would even tell that no on would miss him and her and Monty will even lunge for him.
So Gregory's "they get what they deserve" line is understandably, anyone in a situation like his would be angry and bitter about the people who are trying to kill them, especially if they feel powerless to defend themself which no doubt at the time Gregory was feeling, and like I said before Gregory and Freddy don't find out that Vanessa maybe Vanny until after Gregory plays Fazer blast, which is AFTER they talk about the upgrades so at that point they don't that Vanessa's the one making the others hostile and violent.
I also wouldn't give the benefit of the doubt to robots who would murder me on sight
@@matti.8465 except best boi freddy who's known them way longer constantly vouches for them.
If nothing else, that should give greggory an idea of potentially getting freddy to talk sense it them for him to increase his chances of surviving
I agree with the final hottake about the puppet. I always found it weird that the crying child wasn't in fnaf 6. Like Molten freddy says One big happy family, but it'd missing the crying child.
A very nice video that brings in many different points of view together!
As for my own hot take: I kind of preferred it when the lore was more murky to a degree. With some concrete confirmations ala Sister Location and Pizza Sim, but the way things were told with little detail that still confirmed important events was neat, and allowed for more varied interpretations rather than just "the correct interpretation." One example I'd bring is the night guards, who long ago were thought of as their own beings, only for the theory of Michael being pretty much all but one of them to become widely accepted and considered canon. Or maybe that was confirmed in one of those ultimate guide books, I don't know, I'm here for whacky animatronic fun.
It even had interesting ramifications on the fanfiction scene, where I bet you could track the most widely believed theories and interpretations by how the fanfiction of the time were being written, with what details they used and characterizations chosen.
Plus, I thought it was a lot more fun. The uncertainty of what means what was neat, but now we're bogged down with details, confirmations, and probably worst, people believing certain theories to be canon due to their acceptance. Although, I suppose that could just be a side effect of there being less overall possibility in favor of some level of linearity, "drawing in the edges of the map," as it were.
But then that brings me to modern era FNAF, Help Wanted through to Ruin, and how it's felt off in terms of lore and their story telling vibe to me, a weird back and forth on distancing the modern era from the past while dragging the past forward kicking and screaming. I feel they should either fully embrace the past lore and tell more dynamic stories with it, even if it turns the Pizza Sim fire into a big ol' joke, at least make something out of that consequence, or they should have gone fully the other way and tell their own stories of killer animatronics with optional murdered child possession. The half and half kneecapped Security Breach heavily (along with other things), Vanny, Burntrap and Glitchtrap, The Blob, the Glamrocks. I really feel Steel Wool should have started smaller if they wanted to tell a coherent story. I just hope the semi success of Ruin can turn things around and allow them to do cool things with the franchise.
Bonus hot take that's probably lukewarm: There totally should have been a semi classical FNAF game where you played as an animatronic (my bias says Puppet), and honestly I wouldn't mind if Steel Wool or others made spin offs confirmed to take place outside of the main game canon. Take the possessed animatronic idea and go crazy with it I say. With how freakish the fandom is I could see a dating sim at least getting a laugh out of people. More little beat em ups, more Freddies in Spaces, more FNAF Worlds! Let not the whims of canon limit the madness we all truly desire!
Apologies for the rambles, and thanks ye again for this fun video.
@19:50 yes... that is how deeper characterization works... i literally do not understand what this point is supposed to be. "you only sympathize with her because she is one of the only characters to be deliberately displayed with insecurities and complex emotions!" like, yeah, i guess you're right, you sure explained what endears an audience to a character all right.
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That is not what they were talking about but alright.
They were just sayin' that MANY people see roxy as a saint just because of ruin even though she displays MANY unlikeable traits.
I think burntrap was 100% supposed to be Afton because Steel Wool was left in the dark on a lot of things. They said during the Dawko interview that Scott just told them to put things in the game without much more context than that. Then since Scott saw the very negative reception to Afton coming back again, he backpedaled HARD by making that ending non-canon and introducing the mimic. Not even to mention the plot holes between base SB and RUIN that would have been caused by that ending being canon in the first place.
It's still interesting that William hasn't gone resting in peace yet, he's still out there roaming. It's like fnaf ruin & hw2 isn't the end of the series, cause I feel like
If both glitch-b1tch & William Afton finally died out, then the whole series would conclude, unless 'the mimic' tends to continue regardless the main villains have gone expired or not
If FNaF wants to continue, each game should have its own self contained story instead of one continuous plot with maybe some world building elements here and there carrying over. The biggest problem with the lore is the attempt to continue one story, which means they have to find a way to jam things into an existing plot. The latest games have to co-exist with the older games, which just doesn't make sense when they have extremely different approaches to the story
This is the best idea i have ever heard
I don't know if anybody will see this, but how the hell do you expect me to believe the Mimic had the capabilities to convince Vanessa; to make up a story about her family background to her physiatrist. That's supposed to be based off of the divorce of Mrs. and Mr. Afton. From Elizabeth's perspective!
Yeah that's a really good point. On one hand you could say that the Storyteller protocol let Mimic just invent a sad divorce story by cutting and pasting some together like chatgpt. But....why would it do that?
And there's still the problem that Mimic is smart enough to repeatedly con a grown adult, impersonate someone convincingly, and infect a bunch of arguably sapient robots without them noticing...but also dumb enough to chase you in a straight line without paying any attention to its surroundings.
6:59 I confess, I used to be really into FNAF shipping stuff when I was a teenager messing around on DeviantArt. So I totally agree that people can be very harsh towards it. The way I see it, as long as its more in an AU setting, where you're using the characters to tell a different story than the one they originated from; and you genuinely enjoy seeing certain characters in a romantic relationship, then there's no harm done. That's exactly what I did when I got back into writing FNAF fanfiction. Sure, people may think it's weird, but if it makes you happy and you have a supportive circle, then that's all that should matter.
Hot takes (and yes I know SL came out ages ago and I should probably shut up about it):
1. Elizabeth afton is a good character… in Sister location. Think about it, this little girl gets trapped in an animatronic that HER OWN FATHER made and is tortured with electricity and experimented on and then is all but abandoned (and left in the care of people who probably think she’s just a robot) for an unknown amount of time. THEN, the father (or at least that’s what she thinks) COMES BACK for seemingly no reason and she decides to use that familial connection to create an elaborate plot with the OTHER children he experimented on to kill him and steal his identity. HOW did Scott look at ALL THAT and decide to make her into a daddy’s girl who would kill to make THE MAN WHO MURDERED HER proud??? Elizabeth isn’t (or at least wasn’t) a gullible character, she wouldn’t work for William because she wouldn’t trust him. (**Warning: Tangent ahead**) Also what’s with her fallout with the other Funtimes? They literally plotted to kill a man together and the others seemed to trust her judgment so even if she was a little controlling (which she never actually showed in pizzeria sim) they probably wouldn’t care that much. If anything, the other Funtimes are the ones who actually seem gullible (Freddy believing bon bon and calming down, ballora leaving Michael alone because Elizabeth asks her to), but these are supposed to be hot takes not character dissections so I’ll stop here.
2. Sister location was a very good game when considered its own standalone story. Did it thrust the fnaf series into sci-fi hell? Yes. Did it kickstart the afton family storyline that now plagues the series like a disease? Also yes. But it was a good story about a daughter who was murdered for her father’s mad desire for immortality and a son who was mistaken for their father and died for crimes he didn’t commit so he could free his sister from torture and, by doing so, cursed himself with the immortality that his father tried so desperately to achieve. This is a story about victims who failed to get the revenge they wanted but got the freedom they deserved. Sister location was a beautiful tragedy about vengeance and freedom and is probably the closest thing anyone in this series has gotten to a happy ending besides Gregory.
3. I wish fnaf was a story that focused on the victims of the tragedies rather than the perpetrators. I don’t care about afton or vanny or Eleanor. I care about the missing children. Like how do they feel about this cruel eternity that they’ve been forced into? Do they care about each other, did they become friends? What do they think about each other? I don’t really care about who they were when they were alive, it’s been a long time since then, the only reason I would care about that is to see how they changed since then. I know fnaf won’t ever be that kind of story but I wish it was. Or at least had a fandom project that was.
4. Fnaf had (and has) a lot of potential but it suffers from its inability to move on from old plots and the fact that it never wants to confirm anything. The games sometimes feel like little happy meal toys because most of the lore isn’t in them, it’s hiding in source code and teasers and BOOKS that only sometimes match with the game lore. It never wants to confirm anything and sometimes it even retcons things for no reason other than (probably) that people predicted it and it’s no longer a surprise or that the fans (or scott) didn’t like it (anymore).
Number Four is just straight up wrong,the fans didn't do anything,Sony did,or they wanted to be greedy and just rushed it,it's one of the two.
Like,come on,the fan base doesn't have any power when it comes to release dates,so why are they blaming us for?
If you're talking about number four in the one with several takes, then I think both they and NotAtAll agree
They pretty much both made the point of "the fans whining about the next game not being out might've influenced the production, but even if it did, it was a company's decision to fold"
@@damienearl8302 People think we have power since the Scott incident,and only see us as toxic man babies because they decided to release it early,and buggy,so you see.. That's not true at all,because they're taking pity on steel wool father then hold them accountable for their failure,but I'm getting ahead of myself here
Main point is,it's not our (Fnaf fans) fault,it's Sony's or Steel Wool's,we didn't do anything
@@Dav458 Oh, I definitely agree, I just mean that the take isn't really wrong since it agrees with that point!
@@Dav458 To be honest, i'd say the fandom was a bunch of shits over Scott, but yeah that's separate from SB and his retirement...
@@Dav458It was more likely Steel Wools fault rather than Sony because it has never been said if sony had anything to do with the production of the game possibly but unlikley
I like the chill approach this video has, no yelling, no just telling people off like some other RUclipsrs would
Just feels like old school discussion of hot takes on FNAF
35:10 i can't help but feel reminded of the pink guy/two killers theory back in the day when you bring this up. I could see a mad scientist and henchman dynamic going on with the purple guy being the latter.
I hate how the entire fazbear franchise is seen as a “we’re so cheap and reckless!” Joke. They are, but it’s repetitive and very odd how they can still somehow stay in business despite all the violations they must be collecting. If fazbear’s full of cheap skates, why is the Pizzaplex so big and expensive looking? Also I hate this because people love to explain away weird things in games with “they’re cheap and money hungry”. How tf has the daycare not been shut down when it has generators just scattered about in the play structures? “They’re a shifty and cheap company” then they would try not to get so many violations. Those cost WAY more money than just moving the generators out of the daycare.
Hot take: Sister Location is a horrible entry in the series. Yeah, it's entertaining and neat for the first time you play, but it is practically impossible to replay the base game of SL without being bored out of your mind. I think the problem is the scripted-ness of SL. There should have been more elements to SL's base game to keep it fresh. In terms of story, I think SL is one of the best in the series, and the Custom Night is a nice addition to the bland gameplay of Sister Location. It also has some of my favorite characters of the series. (Justice for Michael)
While I like SL, I totally agree. 8/ I wish the levels or 'jobs' were replayable or something like that.
My Hot Take: I really hope that it was actually the real Gregory, and not the Mimic, who dropped the elevator in Ruin. If it's true, I feel like it adds a lot more depth to Gregory's character that expands upon how he acted in the base game with destroying Freddy's friends and lying about it. Not only that, but it would also open the door for an interesting antagonist dynamic between a frightened and guilty Gregory and a Cassie who feels angry and betrayed.
Wouldn't make sense for The Mimic to drop the elevator.
But Gregory, in general, isn't evil, bro...☠️
Ooh, here's a thought I just had. What if Cassie were to team up with The Mimic and have it replace Gregory for her, and go on a quest for revenge?
@@gacha_sunshine1182 yes he is, he killed my dog and burned my crops
Hot take: I haven't seen this video but it's good.
Well, not much of a hot take if it’s true
I would laugh, scream into my pillow and maybe cry if Scott came out and just said “The whole story was a dream”
Cold take: your videos are really nice and my girlfriend and I smile while we watch them. Your perspective in and on the community is appreciated
I agree 👀
I love hot take videos.. and fnaf.. and your channel! That means this is the best combo!
"Also Vanny would've been better if she was extra thick"
Had to stop watching the dishes for a sec to reverse the video to see if I heard that correctly made me audibly go "huh"
I can admit, Ruin is flawed in many ways. However, once you compare it to the base game, it looks a lot better doesn't it? I enjoyed ruin.
That isn't a high bar. And even then, you can't enjoy Ruin standalone, you have to buy Security Breach to experience Ruin.
Oh Ruin is wayy better in a lot of ways than SB, specially considering how SB released
A decently functional walking sim is obviously better then a hot mess
While gameplay-wise ruin is better than SB, lore-wise not so much, I see it as an hot mess thrown together to patch a lot of different plot holes, like the integration of the mimic from the books because fans were confused by burntrap's whole deal, the strange and useless redesigns of Roxanne and Freddy which confuse even more people, if the books didn't exist, then ruin would be as mysterious as fnaf 4
I feel like that's kinda the general consensus for a lot of players, "not amazing on its own, but still a better SB"
Alright, here's my hot take:I feel many other FNaF fans will agree with me on this, The way Vanessa/Vanny was handled with the whole glitchtrap possession.
I personally wish we could've gotten a more in depth view from Vanessa's perspective, like how if she was able to fight back control from Glitchtrap for a little while before finally losing control of her own body, becoming Vanny.
Sure, we get hint's via the Email's but still it pales in what the FNaF community has explored content wise Vanny fan songs the best one in my option Kitten sneeze's-Already Dead which dives deep into what or how Glitchtrap's permanent scaring and damage affected.
Vanessa sure we can all believe that by the events of Ruin Vanessa has recovered, however all that trauma and using fear an intimidation alongside mentally psychological torture that is forever Vanessa she'll have to deal with. Personally, possession in horror movies will always be horrifying to me and others may agree.
That the way it was done sucks is a hot take? It's very much a hot mess. As originally presented in HW, Glitchtrap steals that body outright. But then afterwards, they instead went with with a more partial possession-telling that makes me wonder "hey, that is not what you showed me, so what is this? Did the now soulless body just resist on its own, or did they retcon it into Vanny being more of an outside avatar of Glitchtrap than it being a direct possession?" Then we get this really underdeveloped and nonsensical mystery on if Vanessa is that body or not and we still don't have a 100% sure confirmation to this day, lmao. And then it just...ends, and now it is presumably going to stay forgotten as an oddity in the gameseries that they just push under the rug.
Ideally, the series should have ended with UCN. Sure, it isn't a perfect "happy ending" since the kid who possesses Golden Freddy doesn't find peace, but William is basically sentenced to eternal damnation to be tortured by his own evil creations. Poetic justice if you ask me. At that point, while the series was already needlessly complicated, it still held the spooky and messed up tone it was going for and was still about the dead kids. I find an ending like that quite satisfying. After that it just goes off the rails and the books make it even more outlandish than it already was.
It'd require some HEAVY editing for UCN, removing every scrap of evidence that William would survive, and that isnt in his head.
Since, if he's in a coma, he's still alive. Someone WILL find him, and the chance of him returning is pretty damn high.
He came back when he should have died already once...
I know like just let bro die already 💀 the sci-fi stuff with remnant and everything had no reason to exist. I feel like a better way security breach could have gone is with vanessa just being inspired by afton but not actually controlled by him
Ngl I really don't like the fanon design for Glam Bonnie, like it's alright but definitely feels a bit basic imo. Uncanny in a weird way that makes it feel more like "Let's take Bonnie and apply the glamrock style to him" instead of "Let's make a new iteration of Bonnie keeping in theme with the rest of the band."
I really wish Phone Guy and Phone Dude got more appearances, and that Phone Guy at least got a little bit of closure. Like I get he dies in FNAF 1, but he's made so many appearances since then that it feels weird that his last completely original appearance was in FNAF 3 talking about Springlock Suits. 2 ideas I have are:
1. Make a note about an employee being killed (that would be hinted at being Phone Guy) and maybe add some stuff like money being sent to his family or something
2. Finding his rotting corpse inside an old Freddy Suit as an Easter Egg, maybe in an old storage warehouse or a junk heap.
Of course there could be many other better ways I haven't thought of.
I wish the two have actually names, so that way I don’t have to feel weird in my headcanon that Phone Dude is the indie dev mentioned in Help Wanted
@@smt64productions40He’s confirmed to be “Ralph” in a new book.
@@B_D-g3q That’s good
@@smt64productions40 it’s called the week before
@@B_D-g3q I know what it is called
I find the hot take about the books kinda interesting. For the most part I agree with some of it. While I like the whole idea of the “yo dude brighten image” stuff, I think that can be very strange to casual fans. I also feel like this can also take away from the story. My biggest example being Ennard fighting themself in the source code. To a casual player you’ll play Fnaf Sister Location and be like “oh snap there’s a new villian that’s a spaghetti man? That’s sick I can’t wait to see them in the next game!” Then in the next game Baby is separate, and you see what fans would just see as destroyed Funtime Freddy, and be like “What happened to Ennard?”
As for the part I disagree with, I think the books cause their own problems. Yeah sure it’s more direct with lore than “look at the source code.” But it’s locked behind a paywall, incredibly misleading at times, and also some of the lore is stuff that was later retconned into the story. For the first 5 games there was no mention of any family besides William, then out of nowhere in Pizza Sim we hear about a man named Henry and their daughter, who is the Puppet. Those are 2 characters you wouldn’t know about unless you read the books, and were never brought up because until the books they didn’t exist.
Sorry about how long this was. Wanted to share my opinion on this whole thing.
Brightening up images or clips can really reveal a huge ton of more lore than what the viewer thinks, sincerely one time I brightened up an image in FNAF 3 and found nightmare Freddy laying, fallen asleep by the arcade machine.
Cause I had no clue who that was at first until I started doing research but sadly I do not remember which camera I looked at
so if Michael was the intended player character of pizza sim but the job was taken by someone else...what of the person we're actually playing as is orange guy. just some dude whose kid was lured away by Afton, finally gaining closure burning in a fire with his son's killer.
its wild to me that as soon as the animatronics are sentient beings on their own instead of like, haunted by murdered children is when people start hating on shipping them. Like I'm firmly in the "the MCI kids weren't actually their own characters and the animatronics had their own fanon personalities so there's nothing immoral about shipping the ogs" camp, but still, the sentient AI and the animatronics having actual personality is when you draw the line???
Honestly, a more creepy and eerie design of Burntrap would’ve been a better design for The Mimic and would make Ruin that more scarier while also explaining that it’s not William Afton. Just thought that since the mimics hand gets cut off and so does Williams
Yeah, but that would solve a very recent and very asked question, as we know, steel wool doesn't do that
Mimic is not burntrap
@@bossmine3997 yeah I know that, I didn't bring it up because I was tired
My personal hot take is that if Steel Wool would have taken as much time as they needed then Security Breach would've taken place within 5 Nights (and Night 6 for the "Secret Ending(s)" and possibly Night 7 as its version of the RUIN DLC). Then it would've really amazing with the extended backstories of Gregory, Vanessa/Vanny, and the Glamrocks and where he came from, possibly 16-Bit Mini-Games in-between nights, and obviously, more lore & secrets for what this game has to offer. Then of course, they'll focus on Help Wanted 2 as per normal.
(Also, That last Hot Take you have caught me off guard. XD)
I highly doubt SB would've been that good even with all the time in the world because Steel Wool are just kinda incompetent, like they kept making the Pizzaplex bigger and adding pointless rooms instead of making sure the game works. They're a lot like Yandere Dev in some ways
@@sophitiaofhyrule That's not what I had in mind, I was thinking that each night will focused on one or two areas (For example: Night 1 taking place at the Daycare) and than returning to Freddy's room and the clock strucks 6 AM. Then after Night 5, Gtegory will leave the building without Vanny following him.
Also I have a hot take
I think Steel Wool should take the glitches and memes from SB and make them inside jokes in later games.
Like imagine if there’s another Fury’s Rage game where there’s an entire wave of crazed Monty’s called in reference to Giga Monty?
My hot take is that FNAF4 should have taken at Fredbear's Pizzeria. Considering that FNAF4 was the first and for a long time the only game with a child protagonist, its a waste that we dont spend much time inside the pizzeria. Considering that children are the primary target for William's murder, it would have interesting to see it from their perspective and since William has never been hinted at being a good father, it would make sense for him to forget to take his child and leave him at Fredbear's at night alone for 6 hours. There are also other cool stories that you tell with a child protagonist lost/alone at the pizzeria that im surprised it took them until SB to make one
Argument against bonnie sucking and Monty being better, bonnie was always meant to be the emotionless creepy one not bursting with personality
Ok, I'm a little late here, but I also have some hot takes, especially for the "SteelWool Era", one for the movie and two for the books.
1- They should stop making a lot of mysteries only for the fans to do a lot of theories: I know that is fun making theories, but nowadays we have A LOT of content in the franchise, and most of time the theories consist in making parallels of something in the past or something that can happen in a future game.
2- The book that has the best story is The Silver Eyes: Okay, this will be controversial, but let me explain, what we had in TSE was just a down to earth story about a group of teens invading an old Freddy's just because of nostalgia. However, after the Twisted Ones with it's Illusion Disks and The Fourth Closet with the introduction of Remnants, The Charlie Trilogy became just an ordinary si-fi story, don't get me wrong, I don't hate the si-fi way that FNAF is going, but the execution of it is a mess, especially the Charlie robot plot twist (I completely dislike this twist). And I am not going to mention FF because that's my next hot take.
3- The Fazbear Frights should have been completely different and canonical to the main games since the beggining, because I can't accept the way that FF got written, in the FF we have a time travelling ball pit, a girl made of candy and sentient goo that can take form of everyone (and I'm not mentioning In The Flesh because I completely hate that story). Honestly, I think the best way in making FF canon is making it completely different from the original, focusing on Fazbear themselves, and taking place during the 30 years timeskip between FNAF 1 and 3, not only that could give a huge world-building for the franchise, but could also explain what Fazbear Entertainment did to come back after a lot of incidents in the past.
4- The movie should not have anything that confuses the game lore (a.k.a Remnants and family relations): I know that a lot of people want remnant and Mike Schmidt and Abby being Aftons in the movie, but I don't any of these, I want Mike just being a random guy with financial problems that only accepts the job just to help his sister, not a son of William Afton that got lost during the childhood, and I want the most simple explanation for the possessed robots being "The kids are controlling them", because for me, the remnants was a shoot in the franchise's own foot.
5- Security Breach should have had only one ending: We all know that SB until this day has a lot of problems, but the one that is the worst of them all for me is the multiple endings one, because in between Ruin's announcement and it's release, all of us were thinking which ending was the canon one, only for the DLC releasing and showing that the Princess Quest ending was the canon one (even if it is a huge retcon).
And that's pretty much it, even if I have some more like: The Blob being the main villain in Ruin and the unnecessary villainization of Gregory, I've been writing this for 30 minutes and I'm getting tired of writing this.
Thanks for reading!
A kind of literal hot take here. How on earth is heat supposed to kill the animatronics? If the books are to be believed, Afton literally *melted* the old ones down to make the fun times. Turning metal to liquid is hotter than the fires that they where put into in FNAF 3/6. It shouldn't be a surprised that heating them up may turn them off temporarily, but not out right destroy them.
Well, straight up melting a machine would deactivate it, just look at the ending of Terminator 2. However, you have to acknowledge the high melting points.
As for the Remnant-metal alloy, that's a completely different case. It has a much lower melting point, so it being consecutively burned over and over would destroy it, which would also prevent any potential spirits from having a hold over said animatronic infused with Remnant.
The Classic animatronics in The Twisted Ones were only partially melted (the graphic novel depiction of them in this state is insanely inaccurate), this small melted piece of the Classics didn't require that much heat when fusing it into the novel Funtimes, and thus, wasn't enough to destroy the Remnant inside.
We even get dialogue in this scene about being careful to have the temperature high enough to pry the Remnant-metal alloy off of the endoskeletons, but low enough so it's not destroyed.
And, in FNaF 6, the heat of the fire was exponentially increasing, so it'd eventually be enough to burn the Remnant-metal alloy from the animatronic bodies. And unlike FNaF 3, there'd be no escaping the heat.
We also have the Remnant-metal alloy burned away from Burntrap via the burners.
Roxy and Chica were saying those nasty things under the influence of the Glitchtrap virus. We know from the Storyteller story that once the storyteller was installed the animatronics started acting more mean and weird and aggressive and I'm assuming at the point that Security Breach happens it's even worse. With the influence of Glitchtrap mostly removed from the pizzaplex by the time ruin happens, It seems like Roxy is acting more like her original self, where she's a bit of a diva as her caricature but she's not downright nasty
"Roxy and Chica were saying those nasty things under the influence of the Glitchtrap virus." shame that so many people don't understand that.
My hot take/ theories, the girl in fnaf 4 is Elizabeth (yes the the hair is different but surprise surprise people can style their hair, Vanessa originally had rainbow hair) and William doesn't care at all for his family.
William is the voice of the fredbear plush throughout most of fnaf4, teasing and abusing the CC, after the bite the fredbear plush saying "we're still your friends, do you still believe that?" is him mocking his own son as he dies, despite being a theory when the game first came out i do think the shift in text colour is the pigtail girl/ Elizabeth. her room has a mangle toy, she sees CC as a broken toy that can be fixed, when in reality he cannot, the phrase "I will put you back together" just sounds childish to say to someone.
also baby WAS made for Elizabeth, William kept her away from baby knowing that she would sneak to see her and activate the baby's protocols. after possessing baby William intentionally tortured her using the scooper and controlled shocks. William never cared for his family, he's a madman who wanted to achieve immortality.
Y'know, that makes sense, William using reverse-psychology to make Elizabeth want to go to Baby even more than she already did. That would give her motivation to go see baby while nobody else was around so that nobody could tell on her. He clearly didn't actually care for his children and just wanted to experiment on them.
Hot Takes:
- Scraptrap is overhated his design looks awesome
- Valley Girl Chica would be the worst thing to ever exist if it ever happened
I think the whole "Not intended for you" means there wasn't anyone specific that they were looking for, but Mike just happened to be perfect for the job. Why else would it be "Right where you want to be"?
here's my hot take:
FNAF World was a good and fun game, and the build up to the announcement with characters on a banner slowly being replaced by their FNAF World models was incredibly interesting to see and follow along with. I would refresh Scott Games every day and look to see who had been swapped out, and the game (after release and backlash) being free made it the first FNAF game I actually played rather than just watch a youtube play it for me. FNAF World has a special place in my heart and is over hated.
idk why but you describing toy freddy as "dumptruck" so casually legit made me burst out laughing
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its wild how people like burntrap more than the mimic. i personally like the mimic more, but mostly because he's absolutely fascinating to me. a dead guy who keeps coming back is much less so
probably because the Mimic has absolutely no personality, is litelarry a COPY of Afton and just....APPEARED, clearly as a writing crutch, an excuse to bring back a villain who's basically Afton, but *not exactly* which means they can just dispel any criticisms thrown their way about the same guy being the villain over and over again.
@@tomaszhallay6653 fair enough
My Hot Take for a potential part 2:
Monty should've been like, the main antagonist.
He definitely has the motivation to be a villan, with him wanting to replace Freddy in the band.
As well as the BLATANT evidence he commit the murder-eds on poor, unfortunate Bonnie, he would definitely make a great villan/Final Boss.
Like, imagine him and Freddy get into a fight to the death, Gregory controlling Freddy from the inside as they pummel the shit out of Monty for all the horrible things he's done!
And in the end, Freddy says, "I thought you were my friend Monty..." "Someone who I thought I could trust in Bonnie's absence..." "But you... you took him from me..."
"You will NEVER be my superstar...."
"And you will NEVER have a place in MY band."
Or something like that.
Mainly I just want an excuse to completely and utterly decimate that traitorous walking handbag...
*I only wish to see him suffer...🥴*
We still don't have enough evidence to prove it was Monty who did it.
@@prufan Green paint on Bonnie's Torso... Claw marks match Montys claws, Bonnie's damage lining up to the kind of damage Monty is KNOWN TA DO.
I rest my case -_-
@kaillah -_-
*Is too tired and depressed for this shit, and falls into a flooded sink*
@kaillah"Paint doesn't transfer unless wet"
Well someone's never seen certain episodesof Mayday Air disasters :/
@kaillah *Turned you into a staff bot whilst you were explaining*
I was just thinking about the hate towards shipping today. Almost feels like there's a bigger pushback against shipping characters these days than there is to being **attracted** to them lmao
Also regarding the Phone Dude opinion, I really like DMuted's theory/headcanon that Phone Dude is Fritz Smith, and is just an overly enthusiastic Freddy's fan who helps construct Fazbear Frights to be as authentic as possible. It's not super groundbreaking but it's a fun way of viewing the character.
I would definitely like to see another hot takes video! I couldn't think of any hot takes when you initially made the post but some have come to me since.
Shipping the og animatronics is bad tho
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I don't really see it working out,
The FNaF 4 Crying Child and the Take Cake kid are shown to die in different ways in FNaF 4, however, FNaF 4 is also where the Crying Child is connected to the specifically monochrome puppet-like character with no leg stripes, a removable mask, black tears, and a wide chest that can fit a person, like a springlock animatronic, unlike the Marionette shown in FNaF 2.
This is why I believe the Crying Child goes on to be Nightmarionne instead, the Shadow (Puppet(/Freddy, BB, Tree, Princess, etc...)).
And Charlotte being revealed to be the Marionette later on wouldn't affect this plot point at all, so it wouldn't be "retconned out"...
This would mean the Crying Child is still currently Nightmarionne, which is interesting due to his presence in the Mega Pizzaplex,
including how he has plushies of himself set up around the building for surveillance, learning from the tricks used on himself by other as a child.
There's also Nightmarionne's line referring to themselves as the reflection of Charlotte, which is interesting, both because the Bite of '83 is a mirrored Happiest Day, with Crying Child being a direct reflection of Charlotte, and in the novel trilogy, Charlie refers to her twin as a mirror... 👀
Y'know, FNaF's devorce and custody case is really confusing at times, you can never be sure which child originally came from what parent-
Anyway, I really hope Help Wanted 2 reveals the true identity of the springlock animatronic in the CBEaR bunker...
going by what Room For One More tells us, it's the real body of Nightmarionne, with the large chest cavity and all, as their FNaF World model and FNaF 3 Mangle's Quest sprite shows us...
but until it releases, it'll be my wishful thinking.
Thanks for reading :D
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I'm kinda getting irritated at how quick people are to brush off Roxy being possessed/controlled. So you can excuse the animatronics trying to murder you, but not some mean words? Of course being programmed to be violently aggressive towards you is going to bring out a nastier side of her insecurity. A nastier side that _clearly does not exist_ when she's functioning normally.
If anything, Roxy's one of the _better_ people among the cast. She attacks you in RUIN because she thinks you stole her eyes, and when she realizes her mistake, she backs off. What's Chica and Monty's excuse? It's not like they're still under some kind of influence, cause Chica will leave you alone if you fix her voice box. So, what? Are they trying to kill you just because they're mad they got so messed up? Roxy's the bad one here how?
Regarding Roxy saying "Nobody will miss you", it's worth noting that, according to the Tales story "The Storyteller", while Roxy DOES enjoy poking at people's insecurities to cope with her own, she didn't start acting like a cruel bully until after getting corrupted. "Nobody will miss you" is clearly a death threat courtesy of the Mimic's corruption, so "She was possessed/hacked/corrupted" is a valid argument (though it doesn't excuse the aforementioned poking, which probably wasn't any worse than calling people with glasses "four eyes", or people with braces "metal mouth". And while she does still insult Gregory in RUIN, that's because she's still mad at him).
Is Roxy justified in trying to kill Gregory for stealing her eyes? No. Is she justified at being angry about it? Yes. It wasn't her fault she tried to kill him in Security Breach.
Based on the aforementioned book info, combined with Roxy's interactions with Cassie, it's not hard to infer that Roxy's habit of poking at people does not extend to children (Gregory being the exception, and a special case). And Roxy's crying in her room in the main game is meant to humanize her. There's a reason she's listed on TV Tropes under "Jerkass Woobie" (meaning yes, they're a jerk, but they still have sympathetic qualities).
That said, the same book story also mentions in passing that Roxy has an "inherent lack of empathy", but RUIN clearly contradicts this. If anything, MONTY seems like the one who lacks empathy.
I really don’t understand why people don’t like glamrock Bonnie’s official design and prefer the fan made design, in fact, I’m gonna say it. The fan design is ugly. The purple really doesn’t fit the others as good as the blue does in my opinion and the vest that people gave him seriously doesn’t fit the others, like at all. And I know, “he has a vest in the Bonnie bowl art” does that really matter though? Yes, that was most likely his design before ruin was even thought up of, and yes, they probably changed it due to the fan made design in the first place. And I think that it was the right choice to change the design. Like the vest might look good at first glance, but then you actually start paying attention. None of the other glamrocks have clothes, well, sort of. Yea, they do have “clothes” imprinted on their design, but it’s not really clothes, it’s more like, paint. Meanwhile the fan design has like actual clothes/clothing. Now, no disrespect to any of the fan made models, like at all. That’s just what I think.