Growing Up In Polygamy - Women's Panel Part 1
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2022
- Answering all of your questions about what it was like growing up in the LDS, FLDS, and Kingston Clan as women.
Amanda Rae's Channel: / amandalovesrachel
Joanna's Insta: @joannafischer16
FAQ:
Poof Video: • A Polygamous UN-Makeov...
Tour of my Hometown: • Tour of My Polygamous ...
Sleeping Arrangements: • Sleeping Arrangements ...
What it's like for polygamous girls: • What It's Like For Pol...
What is it like for polygamous Mothers?: • What It's Like for Pol...
How do such big families survive financially?: • How Polygamous Familie...
What are FLDS views on race?: • FLDS Views on Race
My spiritual journey since leaving the FLDS: • My Spiritual Journey S...
Why and How I left Polygamy: • Leaving Polygamy: My H...
What it was like to grow up with 4 Mothers: • Growing Up In Polygamy...
What it was like to grow up wtih 34 siblings: • Growing Up In Polygamy...
Who in my family still believes: • Leaving Polygamy: Who ...
Is there arranged marriage?: • Growing Up in Polygamy...
Biggest culture shocks: • Leaving Polygamy: Cult...
What my education experience was: • Leaving Polygamy: From...
How Warren Jeffs became a prophet: • Leaving Polygamy: How ...
FLDS and the law: • FLDS vs. The Law
Why we didn't believe Warren Jeff's confession: • Warren Jeff's Confessi...
How we met: • How We Met...And Re-met
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“If you were a God who loved his children so much, why would you make it so damn hard to get back to you?” This line of discussion was so poignant and revealing of the red flags of cults. Thanks for sharing.
Now that both of my grandmas have died, I don't 100 % know what to believe. I want to believe that they are in a place where they are at peace vs. Hell.
What is the hard part?
Amen. Jesus is the sacrifice and King of All.
As a Christian black girl who is obsessed with learning about Mormonism and it’s off shoots, the curse of Cain was not at all something I heard about until I learned about fundamentalists. This is so interesting to me
That’s my sister!! You go Amanda!!!
💜💜💜 we love her!
It sounds like the LDS church used soft manipulation to keep women in their roles, while the other sects used direct pressure to keep women in line. Maybe the LDS was a more comfortable method, but it had the same outcome of keeping women in second place and subservient. I’m so glad you all opened your eyes and saw your own worth!
I am an earlier subscriber and Melissa you have grown so much confidence in front of the camera! You are such a natural!
Yes! So lovely to see your confidence shine Melissa!
I 100% agree!!
Thank you so much!!
Hi Melissa! I'm a long-time listener and I wanted to say that I deeply appreciated your comment about trusting the geologist. I am a food and environmental chemist (I turn in my PhD dissertation next week)!! I've spent years on my research, rigorously following the scientific method and triple checking my methods, data, etc. It can be so frustrating when my family says that actually all of our work is false bc it doesn't fit into their religion. So hearing your comment meant a lot to me 💙
Viniculture student here and amen 🙌🏽 good luck on your PhD!!!!!!!!!
Hi! Congrats on your PhD!!!! That is AMAZING! And I am so grateful for people like you and the opportunity to learn from the hard work that you do!
Hg, I love your comment so much and the very best of luck with your PH. My father is a retired industrial food chemist and mainly worked in dairy, in what he nicknamed at the bug lab. I'm in my 50s and can read now, but as a child was very dyslexic.. seemingly, when my father came home from work and spoke about his lab work, my brain comprehend the micro world.
As a child I used to think about all of those the little bugs, running my whole body..
I thought everybody believed that, until Secondary School.. people told me I was delusional.
I fell away from good food and God for a long time. My brother explained how to knock on gods door and open the door handle from my side. Indeed i invited the real god into my life and with that vision in mind.
It helped all the learnings about the micro world, come back into my lap. And the Revelation that we are made from bacteria and clay..
I love fermented foods so much. Watching the fermentation bubbles come to life is a true miracle..
We have a wonderful vegetable garden and I love to graze in it. The next door neighbour's planted a canopy of Sheoak pine. The relationship between the truffles and the root system is incredible. I love mycelium😅😅
Would love to hear a few more specifics on your studies.
“What did I do the last time I was in [a crisis]- I listened to myself, and I got myself out” has got to be one of the simplest, most profoundly empowering words I have heard. I have ocd and inherently struggle with decision-making, but trusting myself to make decisions has been hard because my inner voice is still heavily influenced by a lifetime of indoctrination. Thank you so much for sharing your experiences!
Yep, "Arkham's Razor". The simplest answer is probably the best answer.
Interestingly, I didn’t leave the LDS church because I disagreed with it on a conscious level… I left because every time I went to church, I’d go home with a debilitating migraine.
IN ADDITION, you were smart enough to listen to your body & probably a gut feeling. It took me forever to listen to myself like that.
Often our bodies speak what our minds can. I hope you are feeling much better now!
My darling ex sister in law cries every time she leaves church. She thinks it's because her family isn't there with her. I've told her Joaeph Smith set the bar very low, her family is doing fine. Church shouldn't make her cry. I think it scared her to hear that. I'm LDS as well, but have studied the history. This is the damage the false history has done.
My dad got violently ill when his new church friends took him to a Bill Gothard (founder of the IBLP. Think Duggars & Bates mega families) speech. When they left the vicinity, he was totally fine. I thank God every time I remember this. But why didn’t God makes everyone else violently I’ll in order to protect those children? Idk. I also get migraines and they are also often warning signs. I’m glad that you got out💞
I left the LDS church last Sunday!! ... But I am looking forward to returning this coming Sunday, as I have done for many years. I love the association & feeling the spirit there. I guess I am blessed & lucky that way, I know it is true for me, with so many experiences proving it's truth to me, some life or death. You follow your path & I'll follow mine & lets agree to all be good neighbors & help one another when needed & cheer each other on in living happy lives. " In my father's kingdom there are many mansions" he said, and actually we will choose what mansion in the neighborhood we feel most comfortable choosing for our own, that will be the judgement & we will confess, it is just & right & better than we deserve.
I have watched your channel from the beginning and always enjoy your content. This video was especially impactful. I left the LDS church and a strict evangelical church, and realized the amount of a people pleasing I did was ridiculous, I often find their voices in my head (like Amanda was talking about) but thinking that God is watching, when those religious people and God were merged into one and the same. I had to separate that. As I've gotten older I feel less and less sure about what I know but am okay with that and feel better and more secure in who I am. Ironically, once I left, I actually felt closer to what Christ said about God and free (like you said Melissa) to truly love and learn from other people's experiences without judgment since there's not this test that everyone has to pass. Most of us are just doing the best we can with what we have, and we all have way more in common than we realize.
This is so fun! I love hearing how close and similar the three religions are…I grew up LDS in Bountiful and knew a Kingston, but only heard rumors that her family practiced polygamy. Wonderful job!
I thought the same- this is so fun! (And I didn’t have to leave the house)
Thats interesting! 🙋♀️ Hi from Saskatchewan. I'm a Christian who lived in Sechelt BC in the 90s. Our church would often pray for the people in the group in Bountiful BC; to have the courage to leave the cult. I have been very curious about LDS and FLDS ecr ever sinc
Yes! I've been patiently waiting for this! Thank you all!
I found out about that D&C when I got a civil divorce. Because the church never recognized the divorce, so I couldn't remarry in the church. But my ex could because he was a guy, and because of Polygamy. So, I go really mad. So mad I just left.
I’m so glad you all did this. It’s so important!
You are all such strong, intelligent women. I am so proud of you al for figuring out how to trust yourselves. I left the mainstream LDS church as a teen in the late 90’s and know how long it can take to unpack all the brainwashing. I’m still finding more and more patterns and beliefs that were placed in me from the religion and my parents and I haven’t been active in over 20 years.
I am obsessed! So much great information I am seriously going to watch this again. Can't wait for part two!! Thank you, ladies!!❤
Thank you so much!
Thank you so much for sharing your stories with us! You’re all such beautiful people who are making a difference and I pray that you all continue to grow and continue doing what matters! 🙏🏼💕
Thank you so much!
This has been awesome. This flowed so well!
I have so much respect for your open hearts and open minds. Melissa, when you were talking about you and Sam actually taking the time to sit down and discuss topics even political topics and re-examine your own biases vs what you actually believe as a human being. That's so beautiful, it more people were this open I think we would be in a different place as a world. Sending massive love to you all, so so proud of you.
For context of where I'm coming from, I grew up in the evangelical church in Puerto Rico, but became an atheist when I moved to the US in college. Since then I have been fascinated by religion and their hold on people but also the good side of religion and the hope it provides people, so listening to you three speak and all of you being at different places in your independent spiritual journeys, again is so so interesting and wonderful ♥️
Oh my God! This is amazing! Please please please make this a regular monthly or 6 weekly thing!
This was so so good!
Aww thank you so much! We could talk forever, so we really should do it more often haha. =)
I really enjoyed this and I'm looking forward to the next one!! One thing I have noticed while learning more about the mormon religion is how the times affected many religious beliefs across many religions and people latched on to those generational beliefs and took hold to them like Christ's doctrine when it was just a common belief during that time. I'm really enjoying this. Thanks for sharing!!
I enjoyed this chat so much. As the wife of a scientist I loved the science talk at the end. It's beautiful to see how much all you ladies have grown and thrived.
This has been one of my favorite of your videos so far. Hope you guys can maybe make this a monthly or quarterly thing!
Thank you so much!
I literally never wanted to end! I could listen to you women talk for hoursssssss! I can’t wait for more. Good job Melissa for carrying a video of your ownnn! Amanda and Johanna are so easy to vibe with. ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you so much!
Looking forward to watching this in it's entirety later!
Brilliant discussion ladies! I could listen to you all talk for hours & hours, thanks for sharing with us your hearts & minds, you're helping so many people 💖
Aww thank you!
I love you guys all so much! Your stories are fascinating, thank you for sharing!
Thank you for this. I love to hear you guys talk, even when I can't imagine what you people had going through to escape from those cults/relegions. You all are so strong.
Thank you so much!
This was all so interesting! Melissa- I loved hearing about your joy in science! How fun!
What a great episode! Thanks for sharing your perspectives. I learned so much!
I was completely mesmerized by this video! You ladies have done a wonderful job of presenting the differences you met along the way. I’m 64 and I am an elder in reserve in the Presbyterian Church. My husband and I both left the church because of the small mindedness of some of the other members. It became more like a country club and less like a church. We had a lovely female minister who believed an outreach and the power of love and rehabilitation, but that didn’t fit in with some of the country club members ha ha! My husband and I both left the church and we have for some years had a dislike for organized religion. Spiritual as all get out, love me some Jesus, but can’t tolerate fake phony people who hide behind the church and are evil. I hope this will be a continuous series that you’re doing you, are all such powerful and empowering women who have worked hard to find your true self. Amanda I have followed you for a while and Sam and Melissa for a while also. I just fell in love with Joanna and Manti and I’m amazed by their story and their motivation to live their best life. Joanna I thank you for being so willing to communicate with me on Instagram, you and your husband continue to impress me and encourage me with your positivity and motivation. See old school teachers can learn! Continue this journey and if any of you need a shoulder, a mother figure, or a grandmother figure give me a shout out.
Thank you so much!
Belated: I’m a masters degree educated Christian female, and I’m so thankful to be a stay at homeschooling mom and wife…BUT…my husband I intentionally **chose** that. A lot of people put pressure on me to work after our oldest was born. So the pressure can go both ways.
I had the same experience. I always felt looked down on for deciding to be a stay at home mom. Whether people with attitude asked "You don't work?!" or just the judging looks, that was obvious disapproval. They were even more upset over it when I became a single mom. I worked really hard to be home with my kids and I was lucky enough to be able to make things work. I babysat, nannied when they were older where I could bring my youngest, sold avon, made dresses and wedding flowers, had a part time job that allowed me to work when they were with their dad, answered phones and made appointments for my father who was a home inspector. I always had 2 or 3 things going at once to support us so I worked very hard just usually at home. Not that a mother needs additional work to work hard because being a mom is the hardest and most important work there is. I just don't understand why there is so much stigma.
Same here we choose to stay home and homeschool and it is a joy for me the kids and I have the best time and do so many things. But when people ask what I do it is obvious that it’s looked down upon
Absolutely! I am so grateful for the opportunity to be at home with my children by choice, not by religious constraint or guilt, and in spite of people thinking that it isn't "working" haha. =)
I wasn't even raised religious and I knew from a young age I wanted to be a stay at home mom! The pressure to work was so strong from everyone I knew. Sometimes it seems like the secular way is defaulting to the opposite extreme, like a woman is oppressed if she's primarily a mother or homemaker. Even though there are stay at home dads as well.
I can't wait to watch next week! This is such a great video - I'm learning so much! Thank you!!
Couldn't agree more!
So looking forward to part 2!! 💜
This comment is for Amanda - I'd seen you on tv a couple of times, but my real introduction to you was through Sam and Melissa's channel, then found yours and watched one of your older videos, from like two years ago. I was trying to put my finger on what was so different between then and now, but it totally clicked in this video when you talk about how things started shifting around that time--I was just thinking that you came off in the more recent videos as soooo much happier, more confident than just two years ago. Not that you didn't seem confident or happy then but you're just wearing it so well.
I’m so excited for this ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Loving listening to such intelligent young women discussing the nuances of their unique backgrounds and their personal development since finding their own paths forward.
I am in awe of anyone who is brave enough to leave the voices of your past; knowing this is not a “one and done” event, and you three woman are incredible in your processing. And, in saying that, Amanda Rae, wow, just wow. As an outsider who has never lived your life, it appears you have battled so much and are actively working on your growth. Such strong women………
Can’t wait for next week!
All 3 of you ladies are so strong and inspiring. Thank you for sharing your stories! Can't wait for part 2.
Thank you so much!
Loved this 👍🏽😄great convo!!!! Thank you xxx
Love this video, I love hearing the different perspectives from the different beliefs, I was raised catholic but I'm a practicing Wiccan and I find it so interesting hearing about other beliefs that people were raised with and whether they've kept those beliefs or not
I pray that you will come to Jesus Christ! He can save you. Leave the wiccan! It is from Satan! Only Jesus can save you!
@@kristiinaparkkisenniemi8680 it's really not, we don't even believe in Satan since Satan is a Christian concept and wiccans take beliefs from pre Christian era. I'm happy with the faith I have now, you do you though and if you are a Christian, again you do you
This episode was fantastic super engaging and educational :)
Looking forward to the next! You guys are so brave❤️
Thank you so much!
This ish is bananas. Thanks for sharing. Glad you all are brave and critical thinkers
Thank you for sharing! All of you should be extremely proud of yourselves! 💛
Thank you so much!
I'm late to the video but loving it!! Thank you, Melissa, for being so respectful of speaking your truth while not bashing the LDS church. I've had many negative experiences and yet so positive. Unfortunately, it's varied ward to ward. I wish more wards were as loving and open as the one I'm currently in. One thing I believe as a member but doesn't fit into the church narrative is years ago I watched the Robin Williams movie What Dreams May Come. Since watching it, there is little doubt in my mind that's what the afterlife is about. I don't think our loving heavenly father punishes those that hurt so badly that they commit suicide the way it shows in the movie, but everything else about the movie resonates with my soul as the way it is.
Faith is not knowing, but going forward anyway. Great conversation. 💕💞
I'm glad there was a part 2.
So excited for this!!!!
I’m so excited to see this ❤️
I love your videos!!! Keep up the good work!!!
Thank you so much!!
I admire all 3 of you soooo much! You are all so beautiful...inside and out. Thank-you for this video.
Great episode 🥰
Thank you!
I love everyone's energy. ♥️
Oh my gosh! I relate so much to the not knowing. I was raised fundamental baptist and it was all a lie. So when I left the uncertainty caused so much anxiety that I’m still dealing with today.
I thought I grew up in a strict religion (southern baptist) but this is a whole different level. I’ve never even heard of most of the teachings you guys were talking about and the racist teachings especially are so crazy to me
Really interesting discussion! I believe the world would be a better place if parents would teach their children how to be a good HUMAN and warn them against any kind of organized religion. All organized religions are just gaslighting operations for power, money and sex.
Unfortunately, I agree. Anne you can still be spiritual without joining an organized religion.
I agree. Faith is personal, religion is control.
🙋♀️ Hi from 🇨🇦. 👍👍 great video ladies. I'm a subscriber since almost the beginning of this channel. I have never been a Mormon. I am a Christian who has always been curious about Mormon Fundamentalists; since learning about the Bountiful BC Mormons in the 90s. Prayers for all of you and your families; as you continue your faith journey 🙏
Thank you so much!
I love this.. ❤️ 😍 i said this in another comment section: i grew up mennonite not in old fashioned dresses but same as other people. To describe my town would be like if all 3 of you lived in the same town with the 3 religions .. similar but have your own uniqueness. Things are the way they are and you don't question it. Some things we never did growing up anyway. We were in the middle. The mennonites were started during the crusades in the 1300s so there was many break off groups. So it is also a culture thing.
Finding myself was hard. Low self esteem and feeling isolated and lonely. So i can identify with all 3 of you in different ways. But im sure sickness and trauma from vehicle accidents and events in my life didn't help. Started at age 7 when i was supposed to be happy and care free.
I am a true follower of Christ. But many things of being a Mennonite like traditions/ rules and regulations i don't follow. My family is multi cultural but all have similar beliefs. I knew at an early age i would not marry a Mennonite. My thoughts and ideas were to out there for Mennonites in my town; at least at the time !! At 26 i finally struck out on my own after having lived with family up til then. I needed to know what life was like on my own. I went to college knowing i would not be back. I felt like a bird let out of a cage !! I had so many things to learn. I felt so.. stupid, dumb, i knew nothing ! No cooking skill, no social skills. I had to learn how to navigate the world. Taking a bus. I am very outgoing and had to learn to speak up and ask for help.
Now having a chronic illness 🤒 i really learned how to ask questions and not feel stupid for asking them. It took 6 years to find out all that was going on.
If you read all this thanks for reading !! May you find peace and purpose in life.
Thank you so much sharing!!! You sound like an absolute bad ass
It would have been interesting to have Leah on too. To compare all 4 groups. The LDS, FLDS, The Order , and The AUB.
You left the LDS church? Wow, I hadn’t realized! I’d love for y’all to do a separate video on that story (if and when you are comfortable sharing :)
We did. =) We have shared a little bit on our video "Our Spiritual Journey", but are slowly becoming more open about it. It is still fairly recent, just a few years, and we have a lot of family that is still LDS so we try to be as respectful as possible. =)
Raising children for eternity sounds so exhausting 😅😭😬
I loved this ♥️
Loved seeing the 3 different religious views! Micah Wilder wrote an amazing book that y’all should read. I would love to see him come talk with y’all.
Melissa-Watching Micah Wilder on YT really helped me during my faith transition. I would love to talk with him!
I appreciated this so much. I was pressured to be LDS, by family, but it went against everything I believed in. Now I am trying to untangle my family tree because according to Family Search it shows only one wife when personal family records show my family practiced polygamy for many years afterwards in secret. I’m hoping to untangle to web of lies so to speak.
M- I am so sorry to hear that you were pressured into it! Family trees can be tough, and I hope you are able to uncover everything you are looking for!
@@GrowingUpinPolygamy Thank you so much, me too.
Honestly, with as many fear tactics that are used and how often the fight or flight response must be triggered for people in the FLDS and the order, it surprises me that there aren't just a bunch of them ending up with Functional Neurological Disorder (a condition caused by chronic stress and consistent triggering of the fight or flight response).
The Dinosaur thing!
I homeschool my daughter and I literally cried when I was teaching her about how the theories of Earth creation and evolution and PANGEA and so much more because it was so radically different than the things I believed in evangelicalism. I remember skipping class in my community college biology class during the teachings about evolution bc I KNEW it was impossible bc God created the earth in 7 days.
Now being able to give my kid the factual truth is so healing and, honestly, the way that life always moves forward is so beautiful.
Yay another colab with the beast polygamy channels ♥️♥️😘
Such a strong group of women!
Thank you so much!
I am currently reading “ This is My Doctrine” by Charles Harrell. It is a great study on where LDS doctrine originated. I recommend it for LDS members to find out FACTS of where the doctrine/teachings come from.
P.S. After 65 years of highTBM life, I’m seeing a therapist specifically for my cognitive dissonance. What a ride!!!
Loved the video. ❤️
Thank you!!
Love it! Women unite!
Three self-aware, beautiful intelligent women... great video ❤
Thank you so much!
I would love to hear someone with experience in the LDS talk about general roles. In my limited knowledge it seems like members stay because there is always a place for them, like it's literally assigned. I can see the comfortability in that. Also, it seems, all the answers are given to you so absolutely. There is very little debate or discussion about differing views. That's just my assumption, I would love to hear your take.
Congrats on finally leaving the church. I know it was probably one of the hardest things in your life but your kids are going to be so happy to grow up without all that extra ick! You can have a relationship with god (or not) and it's no one else's business! So happy for you guys and your growth and your great questions! Also I secretly hope that's a beer can you're sipping on haha!
1. When the body decays, how will you tell skin color?
2. When the dead body has decayed, how will you tell gender?
PLEASE NOTE...Y'all are young...please remember WHO you are will Change...enjoy your personal growth
Thank you so much for sharing you journey's
I was raised by a Feminist LDS mom who was raised by a single mom ( grandma got divorced due to abuse) and we were less actives due to my mom's mental health issues . How ever she took great pains in teaching me I was never less than for being a women. She taught me that women without a man who was endowed could go could go to lower level of the celestial kingdom and could still go if they kept their temple covenants . If woman married in the temple and had a husband was not righteous and they were they could still get into the celestial kingdom sans husband. When I went to recieve my endowment I took the meaning of the I will "hearken unto my husband AS LONG AS HE LISTENS TO GOD " as -I don't have to listen to my husband if he is unrighteous and doesn't listen to GOD . I was also taught that the priesthood was given to the women to receive revelation for the people they are called to serve and receive revelation for their children. Im also a midwest member so I don't know if this is hardly taught in Utah . But in the wording in the proclamation on the family the seventh paragraph last sentence" Disability, death, or other circumstances may necessitate individual adaptation. Extended families should lend support when needed." always struck a chord with me as well as my "out " of "being a mother in Zion" because our individual circumstances changed when my husband lost his job and we needed money to provide for our family after I got push back from my adopted mom for wanting to be more than a mom .. even though she was a working mom of two step children she helped raise 80% of the time as her step children's mom left the church. some of the hypocrisy of Utah LDS Members and the culture doesn't support the church handbook ,the doctrine or what christ taught in the gospels is really preying heavily on my mind lately.
I’m agnostic and started reading about Mormon history after Big Love came out. Whenever I talk to an LDS woman about FLDS stuff, she will reiterate FLDS is a separate religion from LDS and polygamy is horrid. And no way is she going to share her man. So I then say you better outlive your husband then. 😂 Otherwise he can remarry and get sealed to his new wife. Then when everyone dies, BOOM you are in a polygamous relationship without your consent. Then silence from her… with a death stare to her husband if he is there
This is a great point! I'm going to ask my evangelical Christian parents this question too.
@@deannapowell7237 for traditional Christianity the problem so to speak has been less as celestial marriages are not taught. At a (in the normal sense) Christian wedding give your vows until death will part you. In heaven, Jesus says, we will be "like angels" and the question is thus unnecessary. I believe Mormon weddings do promise for eternity. I'm a Lutheran pastor and I had couples wanting to say "eternally" in their vows. Actually it's not allowed. When I explain that they by this let eachother remarry if dead, they understand.
I am LDS and my mother was married to my father first then they were divorced and she married my stepfather. When she died, she was sealed to both husbands. We were told it would all work out in the life after this and that whatever decisions were made, it would be the best for everyone is we would be at peace and be happy with the decision. Also, when polygamy was instituted in the church only a few members, like 5%, practiced polygamy. It was a choice some made to support polygamy and some refused that choice for them. Also, the same will be true in the afterlife….that polygamy is not requisite to exaltation. Makes sense to me, as having our free agency or free will was something that is/was precious to us all.
This is such a good and interesting video even without the cult parts of it; about women and their lives. For me too divorcing after 20 years (and our Catholic annulment - which is very rare) was the best thing in some ways (other than our lovely children and my career). People don't always put a positive spin on leaving their spouse and of course it also feels like a failure but it can be the most sensible thing to do sometimes for everyone including the children sometimes and was in our case. The Catholic church has always had similar issues with change that Melissa explained about the LDS church and certainly mother expected in the 1960s after the second vatican council thought things would change like on contraception where she wanted change but they did not; yet in other areas there has been change. It took me into my late 50s before I realised I did not believe there was a God any more. However I am not against most of the mainstream religions as their essence is be good to others, rules that support families and allow people to live peacefully side by side adn there is much good in many of them. Our family has been Catholic since about 1500 years ago when Catholicism came to ancestors in Ireland and I was delighted my daughters married in church and their children have been baptised in it too as culturally that is our family and tradition (and there is absolutely no checks on you, no shunning or anything if you are most main stream Christians)
Dang! We gotta wait a whole week for eh second part😞
Fascinating women....I am not Mormon, but I found empowerment. Thanks
I can really relate to what Melissa was saying about having to step back and question if you feel a certain way because it's how you feel or if its because thats what you were taught I also have had to do this and I'm not mormón but I grew up baptist here in the south (Georgia)
Raised Catholic and feel like we have alot in common!!! Wow! Grew up very fearful!
From a strictly clinical point of view the underlying motivation for Warren Jeff I sociopath. An absence of conscience empathy compassion with an accompanying desire to dominate and humiliate. In other words an underlying viciousness. The more I hear about him the more shocked and sickened I feel. My heart goes out to his countless victims. I'm somoved by your efforts to counteract the harm he's inflicted on so many people. It helps anyone harmed by a controlling conformist religion thank you so much for your service and love.
Oh boy too much info
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Kinda things from tribes . Humm
Good job ladies for sharing
A bit of my family is involved in the Jehovah’s Witness faith and a lot of what they teach is also fear based about the end time apocalypse. How interesting about these similarities. Thank you for sharing.
Wow. Listening to you guys talk about your deprogramming is so uncannily similar to my deprogramming from the People of Praise and the Catholic Church. Especially the voice in my head shaming me.
This was a great video! Since it seems like in all 3 groups, salvation for women seems to be tied to marriage to the right person. What do these groups teach about what happens to never married women? (Unmarried by choice or perhaps died young prior to marriage?)
I am from an LDS background. The idea that Jesus lived in polygamy comes from Brigham and Jedediah Grant and others in general conference addresses. It was in the journal of discourses, but not taught over the pulpit in official LDS circles, although, I have heard the TBM Stoddards from the Joseph Smith Foundation say the same thing. They even did a film on it, that all the women who followed Jesus were his wives.
I have never been taught some of the things you have mentioned, and I was raised LDS
It is definitely a red flag when a church says they are the one true church. I remember the LDS church said that when I went there as well as the church I went to from the age of 14-19.
A friend was dating a man who was Mormon when she explained the part about marrying the dead to allow them into heaven - my questions stopped. I thought it was a cult
26min Amanda- that’s when I left the church as well (Christian non-denominational church). If there was an all loving God, wouldn’t he want his children in heaven with him regardless if they rejected him in this life?
I always wondered. If your father has a universe... and you married a man and had children... who's heavenly universe do you end up in ? Your husband's or father's? And if it is your husbands.. then isn't your father's heaven empty?
I’ve always wondered about that too.
Yes! And also if (tragically) a girl or woman dies before marriage, especially if she is far too young to be married, is she in her father's universe such that she won't be able to connect with her married siblings? Or is a child married off to some random man in heaven? So many questions...
Melissa - I was taught that you are with your husband's world. And every couple populates their own universe in the next life, so their children will be like the people of this planet are the children of God. haha I don't know if that helps clarify or makes it more confusing haha.
Fantastic Ladies 😊😉
Thank you so much!
i’m sorry if you’ve addressed this elsewhere, but something i’ve been wondering - when an flds widow remarries, who is she then sealed to in the celestial kingdom (according to the flds)? original husby? second husby? i’d imagine it (ironically) can’t be both 🤣
I really enjoy hearing from you ladies. The more and more I learn about different religions I just want to run far far away. I was baptized in a very fundamentalist baptist denomination in the south and of course our faith was supposed to be the 1 true church. and so different than most. We were told that dark skin was a blessing among many other things. I remember being told that I only reason I get sunburn because I have white blood in me which is false per my dermatologist 🤦♀️ I think it’s so sad that religion separates so many people.
I wish everyone could just love one another and stop all of this foolishness.
💖 absolutely! We are all so much more similar than we are different. And we all deserve peace and togetherness on this earth.