Leaking lead pipe repair | Lead-Loc
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- Lead pipe is still found in many properties in Britain, these pipes can leak when disturbed and it can be difficult to repair a lead pipe. Here we repair the pipe by cutting off the damaged section and then we fit a lead loc fitting which is specifically designed for use with lead pipe. Brought to you by www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk/for...
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Note of caution folks! If you have to turn off the mains water authority stop tap in the street, particularly when working in terraced properties in UK, ensure that it does not serve more than the property you are working at. Quite often, it may serve 2 or more properties.
It is essential that you seek the permission of the neighbours first and usually verbal approval is enough. Diplomatically explain that they extend this courtesy as in turn, they may want this extended to themselves in future.
I had this job around 3-4 years ago. The mains stop in the street served 3 houses. I sought permission from one property but could not get the other householders to answer the door. I presumed that there was no-one in residence. I posted a note just in case they returned whilst I was working.
Within an hour, I had both Yorkshire Water and South Yorkshire Police attend and threaten to serve me with a section 42 notice, for turning off the water in the street. Thankfully, I had a 7lb lead-loc with me (the most common size required for this job) I did not have to take a cut out section to the plumbers merchants to get a correct size. I reinstated the water within an hour of turning it off in the street. The job was in Rotherham. One would have presumed that the police in particular, would have had better things to occupy their time
Blimey, what a waste of police time!
At my old house the stop tap was at the end of the row of terraced houses and if you turned it off, it turned off the whole row, unless they had had their lead pipe replaced with MDPE.
Thanks for the info ;-)
You're welcome.
What's wrong with these people? Who is calling a police for this? We have One Stop shop next to our house. They have got same shoplifters every day, that steal things without any shy by big bags! No one does anything about it.
Glad i watch this, it has put my mind at ease with lead pipes. I do alot of copper but my first time with lead. Thanks mosh
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Excellent video as ever; clear and concise with all key points covered - very useful. Thanks for sharing.
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excellent video. Really clear and concise. Thank you. Wish i watched this 2 weeks ago, but done job for me here.
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There are some fantastic videos here
Great video. Just fixed a leak in my bathroom thanks to your guide here.
I'm glad the video helped
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excellent demo !
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A hooked lead knife is good to have in your box too for things like this and also for flashings.No problem doing it the way you have just harder to control a stanley knife and easy to snap the blade. :)
Top video mate , loved it very simple and great information thanks pal 👌✊
I'll try to do that in future
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Do't forget to cut in a drain off, directly above the stop tap :)
Brilliant and so informative, thank you as that clear and concise guide is gonna get me out a hole!
Glad it helped!
Kevan, Thank you for pointing out that you need to be Gas Safe Registered, This I was aware of, but, noticed that in several you tube videos from several sources, on this topic, that the use of this type of joint on lead pipe was unacceptable and I thought that I would bring this issue up for the benefit of everyone watching. You seem to be the only one to mention being G.S.R. to work on Gas, however, the video producers in all cases stated that the Leadloc joint was unsuitable for Gas. TNX
very good job
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Great video - and quite possibly the worlds finestLlancashire accent...
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Mi brother thanks you so much master of masters 🙏 thanks you ... I am from maryland just another plumber nice vidoe ❤
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Lead swarf has already gone down the pipe when you cut it with the hacksaw.
It will soon flush out, when you open the tap 👍
Lead isn't used in pipes in the UK and hasn't been for donkeys years but there's still miles of the stuff in use in old houses
Yesterday I was using 22mm to 15mm reducer to make this job. It's very insecure and leaking. I used all the white tape, then I used black PVC tape, but it's still leaking. I'll try this one today.
These are great on lead, or you can also use a Philmac UTC-
ruclips.net/video/_k5NS5Y-KHg/видео.html
where do you get the lead loc fittings?
That's what I need to buy!
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where's that knaccky little battery junior saw you have ?, It would have pissed through the lead in seconds,
good video thou' Chez, :-)
Not a bad video, - what to do if you're on a common supply? The old communal stop taps rarely shut off completely so it prudent to have the neighbours on side before attempting this job.
Graham Oliver
We used to be on a communal supply, which was lead but luckily most of the other neighbours had had their own MDPE supply installed so only a few people on the street were affected. I normally tried to do any work requiring the stop tap to be shut off when everyone was out or at work.
If the stop tap is not shutting off properly, can you not get the utility company to fix it as it's normally their responsibility?
...Indeed correct it's the Utility providers problem......Great Upload......[couldn't even find my old Boundary Stopcock got onto the Local Authority here in Rural Ireland they came out used an Ultrasonic Sounder to locate mine simply when running a tap on our property they could then hear the hiss of the pressure drop and cavitation across the stopcock and exposed same.... all was good until i tried isolating same but stopcock was passing lol... they came back and fitted a proper Boundary Box...No domestic water utility bills here in Ireland as yet the folks took to the streets and protested regarding same.... ]
Hi Ultimate H, I very much enjoy your videos and have learnt a lot from you over the last couple of years, I wondered what is the brand of the pump grips you use please? Best wishes, Mark.
Hi Mark, that’s great to hear 😉
I have about 4 different pairs of water pump pliers.
I think the ones in the video were both made by C.K tools, although I do also have Knipex 👍
LOL Nice job!
Thank you I got one under the stairs so will be swearing a lot. Cheers .😅😅
I swear a lot too- I just edit it out of the video 😂
Best of luck with it 👍
Just a couple of points Kevan, You have presumed that I am not GSR.. and suggested that I would put other peoples lives at risk doing such a stupid thing as using a Leadloc on lead Gas pipe. You have made a mistake.
I asked the question ...for everyone elses benefit, but I would like to thank you for pointing out that you need to be Gas Safe Registered to work on Gas. Thanks again Kevan, and to the video producers for stating that Leadlocs are NOT suitable for GAS.
Hi I have an old lead main beaten flat under a first floor tiled toilet room. It seems there was no stop cock so the builders hammered it flat. It’s now weeping and I’ve cut a hole in the kitchen ceiling below to expose it. What is the best was to fit a lead lock if I can’t isolate the water supply? Thanks 😊
Really, that pipe needs disconnecting at its source. A pipe should never be capped like that, as the water can go stagnant and can contaminate the whole water main (or so I have been led to believe).
hi thanks for the video, you mention a united utilities scheme to replace the led? can you tell me more about it, i have the same set up in my house as this video
Yes, they have a scheme where if you replace the lead pipe going from your boundary to your property (as in this video Lead pipe replacement ), they will come and disconnect the old lead pipe and connect the new pipe up. You have to ring them first and be accepted onto the scheme before starting, they also send out an inspector to check the work before sending out the guys to dig up and do the connections.
great ill get on to them, thanks again for the video and getting back to me
Ka Chri
You are welcome
Going to try this on our leak until landlord decides to fix it. Should I be worried worried about breaking the lead pipe when I tighten the connector around it? Couple of plumbers told me they wouldn't do this kind of fix because lead is so soft.
Is there any harm in shaving off too much lead, will the lead loc be loose and issue with grab repair ngs or washers not tighning properly
Yes, you do not want to shave too much off!
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Just seen this today after puncturing the lead main pipe in the kitchen of a house we are doing up. Don't ask, but I was actually carefully chasing out some ring main cable and the water pipe was immediately below it! Yes thankfully I had the sense to turn off the electricity otherwise I'd not be here now! (If it had been copper I'd have just bounced off it.) The pipe will need to be moved anyway as the wall is coming out, but it is too misshaped to fit a lead lock. Can it be temporarily repaired with plumbers mait or similar?
You could perhaps wrap the pipe with a repair bandage, or even some of that special tape designed for leaking pipes- as a temporary measure?
@@ultimatehandyman cheers. The pipe is still quite buried in the wall so I'm very wary of chopping out around the pipe. Just need it back on to put the heating on. Wet electrics are something else! Any products to recommend?
You might be as well using something like this- fave.co/37g7pTx
I've never tried it myself, but obviously you do not want to disturb the pipe!
can i used "SELF FUSING PIPE REPAIR TAPE" if their is a hole as shown on youtube on a lead pipe?
Also how much would what you did cost? if it it on an elbow entering the home?
You could do, but I do not know how long the tape will last.
I think it's about £15 for a lead loc, but it depends on the size.
I don't think they make lead lock elbows- you would have to alter the pipework.
I need an advice from an expert. Lets say you have a lead pipe drain in the bathroom, going from the bathtub across bathroom. So about 2 meters of horizontal drain. Pipes are 30 years old. So if you exclude faulty joints (where the leak will obviously appear), is it possible for those lead pipes to corrode and leak because of corrosion somewhere in the middle of the pipe? If there is a joint of lead pipe with cast iron bathtub, cast iron will corrode much faster or?
nots sure
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My lead pipe was leaking and the pipe was too small for the lead lock..iv gt a temporary compression fitting on..any advice on more permanent solution (apart from the mde pipe) thanks
Philmac make a fitting that will work on lead pipe, or any pipe, you can also get them to reduce at the other end.
ruclips.net/video/_k5NS5Y-KHg/видео.html
I hope this helps ;-)
Hi ... Good Video... Just wanted to check something with you.....These Leadloc's.. Are they safe on Gas pipes (lead to copper) ?? All the videos show them being used soley on lead water pipe.
Can I join lead to plastic to copper (my hot water lead pipe leaks)? Are these fittings suitable for blue MDPE only or can they be used with standard grey barrier? I have 1 5/16" diameter lead pipe (it's big), to be joined to 22mm copper...
Take a look at the universal transitional coupling ;-)
Universal Transitional Coupling | Philmac UTC
***** thanks, UTCs are for cold only though. I have however found a lead-loc big enough for this pipe, I'll have to shave it a bit though...so I'll have a go with that. BTW Lead-loc's advice is it should be ok with barrier instead of copper but they haven't yet tested this (they've tested only with mdpe and copper).
123a
I forgot the utc's were only for cold water- sorry!
Glad you have found a solution ;-)
Thanks for the comments
123a
How do you work out what lb rated fitting you need?
It tells you on this page, starting at number 8 - www.melimatic.com/7.html
How best to connect lead mains pipe to MDPE?
You can use a lead loc connector, or a Universal transitional coupling- ruclips.net/video/_k5NS5Y-KHg/видео.html
Thanks for the comment ;-)
hi handyman on a slightly different agenda how can i move my stop tap its in a really inacessable place how do you go about turning the water off thats coming into the property so i can extend / move the tap .any advice be appreciated cheers
+Roy Kirkham
There should be a stopcock at the boundary of the property, which you should be able to isolate. But moving it will be a pain!
Some people leave the existing on where it is and then install another one in a more convenient location, you can then use either of them to isolate the water ;-)
+Ultimate Handyman
so do you mean extend from existing stop tap to a new tap .say under the sink an obviously the old stop tap will need to be left turned on.
also whats the process for turning it off at the boundary do you need special tools / spanners or out .sorry for my naivity
+Roy Kirkham
Yes, you should be able to isolate the existing stop tap in the property, then cut the pipe at a convenient location after it (under the sink if that's convenient), then install a second stop tap. Then you leave the original stop tap open and use the new one to do the isolation in future.
How to isolate the water is here- www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk/how-to/plumbing/isolate-the-water-supply
If you don't have a stopcock key you can make one from some scraps of timber- www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk/how-to/woodworking/stop-cock-key
Sometimes you find that the outside tap has seized, I'm pretty certain that it is the water companies responsibility to ensure it can be isolated.
Thanks for the comments ;-)
+Ultimate Handyman
cheers pal my tap is right in a corner of a deep cupboard .think il put a second tap in as suggested.thanks for the info your a wealth of knowledge 👍
+Roy Kirkham
You are welcome ;-)
I need to cap mine off altogether and bury it what do I need thanks.
You have to ensure that you do not create a dead leg, where water can collect and go stagnant. So you have to cap it off at the feed end of the pipe. This might be useful-
www.melimatic.com/7.html
Ironic but for old plumbers like me who miss lead work our job is named after the stuff Plumbo the roman word for lead.
And now theres hardly any lead in our job at all
Wayne Burgess I hear lead work plumbing was highly skilled work! Not like today's push fit and flexi hose!
Sorry, I could hear you for the first part of the video, as you were in an echoing brick shell, and not wearing a microphone. I think you should have made the second cut first, and it would have taken the weight off where you were cutting the lead pipe. 4.30 Don't you have plumbing spanners in your toolbox?
No, I don't use plumbing spanners. Most of the plumbers I know use either an adjustable or water pump pliers.
I did but a specific spanner once for compression fittings- but it was a pile of junk (stamped steel)
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Armchair tradesman!
The stopcock in my house is on lead pipe. If i use 2 lead locks to join to copper, once i remove the stopcock. and put a new stopcock on the copper will this work??
+Arks Shackerwell (ArksE8)
You only need the one lead loc fitting as you can get one that is for lead on one side of the fitting and copper on the other side.
***** Thanks for the quick response. the whole pipe is lead so what do you think?? Just watched one of your vids about utc fittings. 👍👍👍 love your channel
+Arks Shackerwell (ArksE8)
It depends how high up the pipe the stopcock is. As long as there is plenty of room you should be able to switch off the water in the street, then cut the lead and use either a lead loc or a UTC to connect to copper and put a new stopcock in the copper. I know it's a big job but have you considered replacing the lead pipe?
ruclips.net/video/6MWSWz3YVPo/видео.html
yes I have given it a thought I just need to find the time. When are you going to employ from youtube?? lol
+Arks Shackerwell (ArksE8)
LOL
Where can I purchase one of theese from? do they sell in store anywhere
This is their website, which has a list of distributors, but most plumbers merchants stock them-
www.melimatic.com/
And you are ducting the pipe through the wall and up to finished floor level inside :)
Not too sure a hacksall would have been much quicker than the big hacksaw but it would probably have vibrated the crap out of it LOL :)
Hilarious
Are lead water mains usually 1inch?
I've only ever seen about three lead pipes in my life, they vary depending on where you live (according to a guy in my local plumbers).
TechTip: To determine the outside diameter of the pipe, wind a length of cotton twice around the pipe without stretching it and then measure its length.
Divide this result by 44 and multiply this answer by 7.
This is then the diameter of the pipe.
Taken from here- www.melimatic.com/7.html
The ones ive worked on are 1/2 inch 7lb or 9lb, using calipers is more convenient.
In the us we would be required by law to rip all of the lead out to wherever it ends to copper or brass or a more modern plastic pipe.
Thanks for the info ;-)
How does this compare to a Ford fitting?
After a quick Google search- they seem pretty similar. I've not heard of Ford fittings before, perhaps they are not widely available in the UK.
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Is this available in the US?
I'm not sure, but you could ask the company that makes them- www.melimatic.com/3.html
Or Philmac make a coupling that can be used to join virtually any type of pipe- ruclips.net/video/_k5NS5Y-KHg/видео.html
Legend and Ford both sell in the US. I just bought a Legend fitting on Ebay which shipped out of New York to accomplish what's shown in the video.
Why must the lead be shaved off is it just to fit or give an edge
Just to make it fit 👍
Two pairs grips to tighten? No. A pair of grips and an adjustable spanner. However,great video
No harm using a grips if you know what you are doing,
good thanks !!!!!
Hi Pal,
I recently used this fitting but very small
Dripping
any advise please ?
Regards
+MrBestEditing
Have you tried tightening the compression nuts?
Which side of the joint is it leaking from the lead side or the other side?
Hi,
Yeah After Watching Your Video, bit tighten more and it worked..Pal
Thanks for your response buddy.
+MrBestEditing
I'm glad you fixed it ;-)
Thanks for the update!
cheers
I used to wipe lead joints 50 years ago but now I would always rip out all the old lead pipes and replace them with copper.
It's always best to replace them if you can. I think it's illegal to wipe lead joints in the UK now (or so I was told)
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Anything wrong using Plastic?
Plastic fittings are fine, Philmac make one- ruclips.net/video/_k5NS5Y-KHg/видео.html
5 hours later we have a temp water feed... around the houses
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tightening up with grips tut tut..wheres yr adjustables!!
Water pump pliers are great on hexagonal fittings ;-)
Looked like you was trimming a kebab not a lead pipe! Haha :p
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you can be sure with a leadloc, I;ve never known one to fail, and lead itself is really good material, as you know it lasts for years and years, pity its poisonous ( so they say), all the old people I've ever known, drank water from lead pipes, don't think I know any long timers who drank from plastic pipes, but we'll see,
all the best Chez, happy Easter
Well it doesn't matter if the water comes from a treatment plant because the water is treated to not allow lead to leach into the supply.
My led pipe got a lever of scale inside. So I don't think it poisonous water anymore
Better using a rasp to shave the lead pipe
Thank good vídeo i need to Fox m.i
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No shave hook
+Jimmy Walker I have one somewhere, but not sure where it is exactly.
Not that much lead pipe around to keep a Shave hook in tool bag even a flat dresser for the roof
Looks like 7lb lead 👍
I can't remember now, but I'm glad I replaced the pipe with MDPE a few months later.
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You know ratchet pipe cutters go through lead pipe right?
You did not replace from outside shut off valve to meter.
That is correct, I repaired a lead pipe.
To replace the incoming lead pipe, you need to speak to your utility company first, then do this- ruclips.net/video/6MWSWz3YVPo/видео.html&t
Haven't you people heard of lead poisoning
Of course 😉
They actually put a chemical in the water to prevent the lead from leaching, now they are also adding fluoride.
Drink tap water at your own risk 😉
Dude shouldve cut that compression coupling too and just did the whole run from plastic to lead..or repipe the house
The lead pipe was replaced a few days later ;-)
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how do peopel not get sick that whole pipe should be replaced asap
I'm going to guess the MSM has brainwashed you into not questioning what they are really saying.
LIke the flint water fiasco '100,000 people have been exposed to lead.'
1 part per trillion would make that statement true.
They say they switched their water source to the flint river. Where did the lead come from? Oh. I mean lead the MSM tells you that is in the water.
Oh, and you know pretty much every product you pick up is KNOWN (lol) to the state of california to cause birth defects.
Fear mongering and manipulation is what my government loves to do.
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🇬🇧 🏳⚽️🌈👍🚲very good job 👍 thanks 👍
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I mean, they're banned for good reason, but damn if lead isn't an easy material to work with.
Yeah, but I guess at the time it was all they had!
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@@ultimatehandyman Prior to the steel revolution at the turn of the 20th century, it was either cast iron or lead. Cast iron is obviously not going to last very long, but it was the less expensive option.
Lead has the advantage of being malleable. It was the Pex of its time, really. Chicago still has 700k lead lines in service, and it's highly doubtful that it's going to change any time soon. They've been talking about replacing lines for over 40 years, and they haven't gotten to it yet because Chicago is incredibly corrupt and dysfunctional
@@socaljusticewarrior558 We also have a lot of lead pipes in my home town, although the utility company has replaced most of the main pipes (I believe). At my late mothers old house I once got a knock on the door from the utility company that wanted to test the tap water, the guy took a sample and said that lead does not leach from the pipes anymore, as they add a chemical to the water to prevent it 😱
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where in the world are you that plumbing codes would allow you to keep using that lead water service to the house .need to replace with a new service fronm the street,you know lead is dangerous
Yes, I know lead is dangerous! There are lots of lead pipes still in the UK, this shows how to repair a lead pipe.
Not everybody can afford to spend a few hundred pounds replacing the main supply pipe to their property, although I did with this one-
ruclips.net/video/6MWSWz3YVPo/видео.html
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Lead is still pretty common in the UK unfortunately.
If you were GSR you'd know the answer to this, you're obviously not and shouldn't be putting other peoples lives at risk contemplating doing something so stupid, call a GSR person to advise you on the work you need doing - I'd suggest the ripping the lead out back to the meter and starting afresh with copper pipe, but you'll need a Gas Safe Registered person to do this as any work on a gas pipe legally requires a competent and registered person.
Can not understand you
Closed captions should be on the video 👍
Ultimate handyman knows nothing about the proper connection from lead to copper. U need Ford fitting not compression
Oh Dear, perhaps you could refrain from commenting on products that you don’t understand 😉