@@ZonamaPrime Wtf I thought that movie came out first and they were doing a parody of it but you're right that episode came out 3 years earlier. Crazy
SPOILER WARNING: The coffee thing at the end actually really convinced me, the idea that Fry is unknowingly a 4th dimensional being makes so much sense with that!
@@aldproductions2301 in one episode he goes to his night job as a guard at the head museum, telling Leela that it's to afford coffee to be able to go to his night job.
Man made out of time and time made out of man, an infinite yet finite loop that caused the creation of philip j fry. he was never born from a different person, and so he was his own grandfather.
Unrelated, but the episode where Bender meets God and Fry spends weeks looking for him only to accidentally find him just randomly without realizing could also point towards that fact.
Geting to close to a blackmore is also advanced waiting "blackhold is not only eating the matter of space it is also eats time of space time" Gravity is a form of time given by mass.
He basically is, he was frozen for 1000 years, he watched the whole life of the universe several times, he was paused time, he slept with his grandmother and became his grandfather
13:55 the timeline that Fry leaves behind in TLPJF isn't actually a paradox at all. Because the gang does not land in the first reincarnation of the universe, they leave that universe's forwards time travel machine unmolested, thus allowing that Fry/Bender/Farnsworth to make the same mistake they did. Thus, it must be that the Universe we follow in the beginning of the episode is one of the "even" universes that a previous Fry/Bender/Farnsworth skipped over as well. Therefore, the cyclic nature of the Universe is restored but in a cycle of two universe reincarnations instead of one. Because of this there is no paradox, only a longer cycle/time loop than you might at first believe.
Looks like writers intentionally made the gang skip first universe reincarnation to avoid paradox. Hm... just another reason to think that Futurama > Rick and Morty
@@myplace4playI don’t think skipping one is even a necessary step, if Universe A travels forward and kills Universe B, then Universe C is unmolested from Universe B and can go on to kill Universe D, leaving E safe etc. etc.
@@lolAvalanche Thats just the grandfrather paradox but forward time travel, which means it technically isnt a paradox. The reason for the 2 loop model is likely because the proffessor shoot hitler after loop1 but misses in loop 2
My interpretation of The Late Philip J Fry has always been That it's not a circular timeline but just the next universe. As every universe starts from the same initial conditions they end up exactly the same except one is lower than the other. They didn't kill themselves in the past they just killed 3 people that were exactly like them in the new universe.
This is certainly the correct way to view it from the episodes perspective. I would propose though, that your interpretation that they are one after another is based on our perspective of time. If the FFTM isn't moving, it's standing STILL in time (there is precedent for this, this is how the PX Ship moves through Space) then we would have no way to tell if they are moving to a new universe or if this universe is just kind of expanding and contracting while they sit in the same spot in time. But that's just a random thought at 430 in the morning
@bennett420 out of curiosity, how would youu justify the FFTM without regard to Earth's rotation and revolution, wouldn't this mean they are moving in space aswell?
@@bennett420 i'd argue it still works with it being the same universe if you just extend it to a multi universe cycle since they're only traveling forwards within the same self repeating universe. the trio leave to the future, skip the next universe making the same thing happen, then replace the trio of the third universe, the second universe trio replaces the fourth and the fifth plays out like the first. the reason i'd argue that doesn't cause a paradox is because there is no reverse time travel going on causing changes, and these events don't alter the universes big bangs shifting a few meters each time plus the whole self contained loop thing. the assumption of the video being one universe containing all of time is contradicted by the creation of the universe being seperate from the creation of time, there was time before the big bang and there was time after the heat death of the universe, you could probably use this to explain the opal but frankly even i think it's too stupid of a task to bother explaining being thrown across universes while not contradicting the 4 universe cycle of this episode lol
I didn’t know what I was getting into when this appeared in my recommended, but arguing that Fry Futurama is a unique instance of time embodying itself for either agency (the universe needing an avenue to solve problems without tearing itself into holes) or stability purposes (load bearing fool) was not it, and I am not disappointed in the slightest. Cool descent into madness, dude, thanks for putting it on tape.
honestly the universal time code tattoo is the most interesting point for me because it only exists due to the larz paradox, to our knowledge he never went out of his way to get that tattoo cause the reason he left leela at the alter was due to finding out what happens to paradoxes and at that point both frys had the tattoo from future bender putting it on inside the freezer. it's not just an information paradox, the tattoo never was created, it simply just is and doesn't seem to degrade and yet nibbler was still able to laser it away so it isn't an indestructable object.
You can't get something from nothing. Therefore, at some point in the distant future, the snake will bite it's tail and create the past. One is then baffled at how anything could ever exist in the first place. Time is linked with space and is specific to one universe. Each universe has it's own time. When universe forming membranes collide in the 11th dimension, new universes are formed. This explains how new universes can create older universes.
Brane theory isnt particularly well accepted, and so far there is no clear sign of a big bounce being the endpoint of cosmology. Everything you can definitively prove about time travel still comes from general relaitvity, and only allows for closed timelike curves, and even those require negative energy/mass.
The way I see paradoxical objects that seem to go back and be themselves over and over again is less that it's a thing that always is. As you described, the tattoo not indestructible, it will eventually erode away if it's constantly torn off and placed back onto his ass. The way I see it, there's a version of the past where the tattoo was placed there with the time code and a version of the future where the tattoo is so worn down that it needs to be recreated, possibly similar, if not identical, to the way it was placed there in the first(?) place. So, time will keep going and repeating itself as many times as it can before something different happens, in which case it needs to happen again for time to continue as it has. At least, concerning Futurama, since it seems they can indeed go back in time through more "natural" means and actually change the course of events, this could be some form of that happening. At some point, the time has been naturally altered by running itself over and over again, so it recreates itself.
Time code's existence could be a time knot that has only a starting point, and for some reason it looped to have none, maybe because current configuration of events was the only one that does not resolve in time paradox (or at least it was the most probable configuration). This code may be the corner part of the universe for what we know about it, and in Futurama the universe just kinda existed forever with no starting or ending point (according to The Late Philip Jay Fry is always expanding until the heat death happens until the big bang happens etc.). So if universe has no starting point and code if the crucial part of it, it also have no starting point. The only thing we know for sure that timeline with the code is self-contained, that's it
I'd just like to point out how satisfied Fry was at riding the Scooty Puff Sr. Even if he was previously erased, he was content with his forsaken self's decision.
The What-If Machine vignette brings up an interesting point. Whether or not it was accurate to what would happen if Fry destroyed the cryotube or was killed is irrelevant. If the tale of interest is true, then what you said holds up. But if it's not, that means that the idea of what would happen in that case is incalculable, like it was asked to divide by zero. In which case, you're still right: Fry's existence and freezing is necessary to the structure of the universe.
The way I look at it is that- When the universe ends with the forwards only time machine, that doesn't end the timeline. The universe recreates itself, the ship goes through again, and lands in the "past"- But it's like pulling out a tape measurer only to see the pattern repeats after you pull enough tape. It's not actually the same spot in the timeline as last time, it literally is in the future, just, now, repeating what was once the past.
The only way it would be a Paradox would be if another previous time machine came to the original universe, but because the group we followed crushed their copies on arrival to the new universe, we can assume something like that happened to prevent the previous time machine from coming. Perhaps a 3 or 4 Universe repeating pattern. We saw the 1st Universe where they started. In the 2nd Universe, they overshot. In the 3rd Universe, they arrived and crushed their copies, and everything was pretty much the same before they left. They never traveled to any further universes, but it could be assumed that a similar group would depart from the 2nd Universe to arrive here in the same manner, crushing their copies much the same in the 4th Universe. Assuming all Universes started off in a similar manner, the 5th Universe would be much like the 1st Universe which had no-one arriving from a past Universe, and starting the cycle again. That said, it's not clear what affect the Professor caused by blasting Hitler and Roosevelt leading up to their arrival. Perhaps the 2nd Universe was different in a significant way, removing the time travelers from that universe and only needing 3 Universes in the loop.
Actually we could have started from the 2nd Universe too. Perhaps travelers from the 1st Universe shot Roosevelt while passing the 2nd Universe's past, making it the same as the 4th Universe, while the 3rd Universe had Hitler shot by our 2nd Universe Professor in addition to anyone that the 1st Universe travelers shot. In this case: - Travelers depart from the 1st Universe. - Travelers shoot Roosevelt in the 2nd Universe, but overshoot. The group we follow depart the 2nd Universe. - Travelers do whatever they want, and arrive in the 3rd Universe. Our Professor shoots Hitler on the way through, but overshoots. - Our Professor shoots Roosevelt, and then they arrive in the 4th Universe, crushing their copies. There could be any number of additional things happening to Universes 1 and 3, since we don't know how similar their history is to the ones we saw, 2 and 4.
The irony is I tend to think overcommitment to canon and continuity can do more harm than good, I even made a video about it. And yet, here I am overanalyzing canon lmao
@@bennett420i think the issue with this analysis is... some of these episodes may not be canon - specifically, some episodes may be either retconned, or simply be considered non-canon by the writers from the very start, but they write the episode anyway because it's fun
For "The Late Philip J. Fry" I always interpreted it as the professor always screws up and creates a gap universe, in which the three of them don't get crushed by the time machine
Isn’t that what directly happens? They do make a whole universe and just skip past it - idk how it could work another way based on what’s actually shown in the episode tbh
I actually love the way The Late Philip J Fry handles fixing the paradox. Timeline 1: Fry, Bender, and Hubert travel forward, skip Timeline 2, and kill their Timeline 3 counterparts. In this timeline, Leela ends up successful and lonely. Timeline 2: they travel forward, skip Timeline 3, and kill their Timeline 4 counterparts. Once again, Leela ends up successful and lonely. Timeline 3: they get killed by their timeline 1 counterparts, who live on happily ever after, and Leela isn't alone. Timeline 4: they get killed by their Timeline 2 counter, who live on, and again, Leela isn't alone. Timeline 5: cannot get killed by Timeline 3, as they were killed, so this timeline is effectively the same as Timeline 1 Just like 5, 6 is effectively the same as 2, 7 as 3, and 8 as 4. Those 4 timelines loop seamless, where half the time Fry, Bender, and Hubert disappeared forever and Leela is alone, and the other half of the time, Fry, Bender, and Hubert are killed and replaced, they all live on like nothing happened. I think this works perfectly, as there really isn't a paradox, just two versions of the timeline. This wouldn't work without killing half of the time. If for example, they didn't kill their counterparts, and just took their place after they left in the time machine, it would go like this: Timeline 1 goes to Timeline 3, Leela is alone. 2 goes to 4, Leela is alone. 3 goes to 5. Leela isn't alone because of Timeline 1. 4 goes to 6. Leela isn't alone because of 2. 5 goes to 7. Leela isn't alone because of 3. 6 goes to 8. Leela isn't alone because of 4. Do you see the issue? After the first two timelines, it would be impossible for Leela to wind up alone to write the message to Fry in the cave. If this were how it went, if would be paradoxical because in this theoretically infinite cycle of universes, there would be a discrepancy where no Leela after the "first two" could end up alone to write the message for Fry. Killing their alternate selves is exactly what fixes this paradox, by making it possible that there are still universes where Leela will write the message to Fry. I love that the Futurama made this, and topped it off with the professor saying "Pow, we took care of the time travel paradox." Perfect cherry on top of this beautiful thought experiment.
You know, the scene where he walks super fast due to coffee isn't a time power - it's just the effect of the coffee. I've had to limit myself to a maximum of two coffees a day so I don't go super fast again.
Maybe YOU are our Fry in our reality, because the closest to a power drinking too much coffe is to evacuate essencially my weight into the toilet. Speaking of powers, we are all familiar with how much the writers tended to take actual phisics into consideration, which implies that Fry not dissolving into dust or breaking apart from all the momentum of moving at such speeds should have an explanation. (Or maybe they just needed a way to end the episode and decided on that)
100 "cups" of coffee would outright kill most creatures. Especially since some of those are the "Whale cup". Seriously. The cup counter counted that as 1 cup of coffee. For all we know, Fry might've been able to buy a $3 tanker truck of coffee at some point, but it just isn't shown on camera.
That thumbnail made me think: What about the Y of Fry? I mean, he gets his Y Chromosome from his dad, who gets it from Fry. Like you said about the difference between fry and Kyle Reese, Fry's patrilineal lineage originates from nowhere but himself. Atum in Egyptian mythology is (at least in some versions) the original and ultimate diety who thought himself into existence. Meaning he didn't exist and then he did because he wanted to, even though he couldn't have wanted to because he didn't exist yet. This is called Causa Sui, self-causeing. The way I see it, this is the fundamental miracle of existence. whether you want to personify it as god or rationalize it as the big bang, there had to be a prime mover, an effect without a cause. Even if you reject the idea that time ever began and instead believe that time is an infinite cycle (like in The Late Phillip J. Fry) we are still left asking, "why is there something instead of nothing?" And "why are the laws of the universe what they are and not something else?". It's kinda like that one episode where everything is pixelated and the Professor discovers the fundamental particle of existence. He's upset that there are no more questions to answer until he realizes that there are still metaphysical questions that can never be answered because you can always keep asking "but why?" What I'm getting at is that I think Fry's self creation is this miracle that created the Futurama universe. The timeline starts in the middle and expands forwards and backwards in time. A universe had to exist so that fry could be born into it. All of history from before Roswell That Ends Well had to happen so as to justify the conditions of Fry's self-creation. The Brains are also connected to this Causa Sui idea. They seem to me to be a reference to the concept of the Boltzmann Brain, a thought experiment that suggests that it's more likely for a brain to spontaneously form and just imagine the universe than for the universe itself to spontaneously form. It's a very solipsistic concept but The Brains from Futurama are themselves very solipsistic, viewing the universe as something that only exists to be studied. Fry and the brains are intrinsically linked in that it is the conditions of his own self-creation which makes him immune to their powers. In this way, they too exist to justify Fry's importance to the universe since he saves reality from the brains. The brains need to know everything and this means they will destroy everything to have complete knowledge. Fry is perfectly happy not understanding a damn thing and it's this acceptance that saves the universe. If Fry is the unwitting creator of his universe then that could explain why the world of Futurama is so ridiculous. I think the brains came about at the dawn of time as an attempt by the universe to make sense of its own absurdity. Since reality is inherently absurd, the brains can never succeed in their goal without destroying the universe in the process. Fry the father (of Yancy) Fry the son (of Yancy) Fry the holy spirit (god satellite/ time code)
I like the idea that the creation of the timeline was from fry instead of him being an aberration in the timeline. It makes more sense that the outlier is the creation instead of the otherway around. It makes me wonder if other universes in fiction also have a creation point and expand outward in both directions, and we just never see them because they're not the focal point of the story.
The forward’s Time Machine episode isn’t a number of different timelines or universes or anything like that, it’s just moving forwards in time, normally, just at great speed. The solution is that the universe collapses and then re-erupts over and over in a cycle, which repeats itself nearly exactly. All the stuff that happened during their run throughs did actually happen, it’s just in the past now.
It's the 7th Tuesday of every month. If your time-line doesn't have 7 Tuesdays in any given month, it is likely your time-line has been purposely excluded to keep scheduling consistent for the rest of us. If you still wish to join the meeting every month you must find your own way to and when the meeting takes place. If you have any further questions, please direct them to the me of your appropriate time-line.
I thought we had agreed to just have the one meeting on March 28, 1999. We watch/watched the first broadcast together. Requiring time travel keeps the riff raff out.
That bit about the universe not existing without fry really convinced me because every other time the timeline breaks the mistake is just deleted from reality, like nixon's opponent or the benders, but if reality itself can't exist without fry then the only way to ''correct' the timeline at that point is to delete everything that can't exist without fry's actions, which is the universe itself
For the Back to the Future thing, I always thought of it like this: Chuck Berry wrote Johnny B. Goode, otherwise Marty wouldn't know it. All Marty did was accidentally put himself into the song's timeline, and make his own guitar playing inspiration for the song he's playing. But that's the only change, that Marty is technically part of the song's history. I know the implication of the movie is that Marty inspired it, but I think it's just a slightly altered bootstrap paradox. Rather than Marty going back and becoming Chuck Berry when he discovers Chuck Berry doesn't exist, he just accidentally inspires the song that inspired him.
Reality itself is seemingly altered by beings capable of perceiving it, existing and observing the flow of time inherently causing time itself to exist. Therefore in order to make a substantial change to the flow of time, that perception would have to be altered. Assuming the timeline is linear, time travel by physical means would have always happened(observed), but a change made in the present to the past(unobserved) may carry enough momentum to switch which "present" we reside in.
Love the video, I always thought that fry did break the timeline when he killed his grandfather but it corrected itself with him conceiving his father or whatever, breaking the timeline by having too many of a person results in deaths to make it correct again, fry killed his grandfather but existed in the correct time and place for him to still exist by becoming his own grandfather and stabilizing it, not on purpose but in the same way that random things coincidentally fell on people to resolve the timeline in benders big score. your interpretation of it is super interesting as well, great video!!
I watch a lot of long form stuff on youtube but I usually cut out halfway through cause it isn't engaging enough. this is top tier content watched all the way through, good job. subbed, keep it up
lmao I basically wrote the video around that line and I had it misremembered this whole time. You're 100% right, that's the actual phrase. Fry even says it at one point. The first schism in the cult of Fry will be between those who say "all of us" vs "us all" lol I can see it now. Also thanks for watching!
If there's still any confusion, Terminator time travel is basically "begs the question" fallacy mixed with temporal paradox. Mobius Dick will make sense if you're into Half-Life.
I am so glad I’ve found this channel! I’ve been a lifelong fan of futurama and I love watching content about it on RUclips! This might be my new favorite thing for the next couple of months
You made me think I'd fallen into a new Mandela Effect alternate universe where "The Why of Fry" had actually always been named "The Why of THE Fry." You forced me to Google and episode name I already knew, well done, sir.
15:10 You're not really interpreting the forward-only time travel correctly. Time isn't looping, the universe is. There is no paradox, no alternate timeline. The events in the universe still exists in the past on the same timeline and will always exist as events during the period in which that universe existed. Additionally the time machine isn't "always" in that spot. It inhabits one 4D position as it slides along the 4th (time). It won't any other time machines, even if they're on the exact spacial location, will not interact because the one from the next universe is always one universe-length of time ahead, and the previous one is one universe-length of time behind. It's like a giant game of musical chairs played along the 4th dimension.
If every new universe is 10 feet lower this not only fixes the paradox at the end of the episode but the paradox of two time travel vehicles taking up the same spot since they’re not, one is above the other
I've never seen Futurama but I understood everything you talked about because your just good at this. I was expecting 5-10k subs but alas no. You my dear friend are underrated
Remember, the forwards only machine had the middle timeline altered by shooting someone along the way and someone different in the one they actually end in. So the loop is maybe not just one big bang, but includes multiple consecutive universes until it lines up again.
so two points: the forward time ship, they miss the universe on the first loop and have to catch it on the second pass. this means that the future where leela runs planet express can happen eveyother timeline. so it's not necessarily a mistake to be corrected, but a repeating pattern still. secondly, i feel the need to note another character from a different sci-fi humor series; red dwarf. the main character in that, one dave lister the last human, is his own father. he describes to his son that they are a paradox that means humans will always exist, a continuing infinite timeloop. No other significant similarities to the two i can think off, he might have also terminator rules influenced his own fate but i don't recall for sure off the top of my head, but i thought it an interesting note.
In Red Dwarf,lister is technically the (confirmed conscious) universe’s way of eternally preserving the human race and preventing it from definitively going extinct ever again. Even when he is forcefully removed from the timeline the “better version” of himself still lines up enough to fill the roll. Lister’s loop is more self contained and isn’t designed for any greater purpose outside of preservation. While Fry became the Professors direct ancestor,ensuring the existence of the forwards Time Machine.
The Loop could probably be: build the time machine and go to the end of the universe -> miss the universe accidentally -> Kill their copies -> build the time machine
Red Dwarf definitely runs on Terminator rules. Most of the time travel is causal loops where the time travel causes the events, or simply form a closed loop with the events in the past. Any changes are "it was always this way" sort of changes, ergo not really changes but simply a self causing loop of events.
The thing is, that episode where they go forwards in time until it restarts, it's genius, because they always move 2 universes forward, that means there is simultaneously one universe where leela dies without fry, that's the first universe they skip at the start by accident, and the second universe where they replace the crew by teleporting on top of them, and that's true for the previous and subsequent iterations of every member traveling behind and after them. it demonstrates series of infinity so well, it's my favourite episode to be honest so yeah, those two universes are both true at the same time, well... until the new futurama came out and made things inconsistent.
Homestuck, that series that had a large and direct influence on Undertale, also melds multiple time travel methods into a single narrative. Terminator rules are the main method, but the Back to The Future rules have a unique role. The timeline _is_ technically free to branch off into alternate timelines, over and over, but eventually, most of the time, these timelines end up reaching back around and becoming part of the main timeline, the alternate branches always existed, they simply roll back into the Alpha Timeline via someone eventually going back to instigate its continuation. The timelines that don't end up simply fading into irrelevancy, since they don't roll back around into the main one we follow. Homestuck, however, has a third method, that only exists due to the fact its a piece of fiction, with its future pages not yet being written, being an in-universe fact. At one point in the story, we have a gap in time where material hasn't yet been written by the author, we already know that the setting in the future is directly connected to the past due to it taking place on the same Earth, with objecrs strewn about that we know characters in the "past" setting are responsible for, but how point A got to point B wasn't written yet. Enter the main character, John, getting the power of literal author retcon, using said ability to rewrite the story by altering key points, for the purpose of saving all his friends. All his friends and allies dying didn't contradict the future we had been shown, it would make perfect sense for the story to continue naturally into that setting chronologically, but again, Homestuck being a work of fiction, with pieces of its history not existing, due to not yet being concretely written, is a fact of the universe, which enables John to use his newfound abilty to alter the story into a version of itself where all his friends are alive, while still also being a course of events that continues logically into that already established future.
@@neon_spotlight Probably Muse of Time since he's essentially the polar opposite of Lord English with his relationship to time. If not a Muse, then a Page.
Amazing video honestly. Any other content creator would have summarised the events of entire episodes instead of actually explaining things. This is a masterpiece.
You forgot the most common type of time travel: Normal speed, at one second per second. Literally every single episode has this trope, and it’s pretty crazy you somehow missed it.
Fry represents a dilemma we all have where we sometimes really want to go back in time when we were younger and had things easier. But did Fry really have it better back then than he did in the future? In 2000, Fry has a shitty job, with a terrible family, and a cheating girlfriend. In 3000, he has the opposite of all those things. He has a relatively good job (in comparison), he has a large loving family even if the Professor is the only one who's blood related to Fry, and he has a loyal badass girlfriend who would risk life and limb for him. I think what it all comes down to is fear of the unknown. We have no idea who tomorrow entails, and to an extent is scares us because we're so used to what we knew from yesterday.
This was a very well done, nicely written, and thoughtfully researched video! It was awesome! I live for this kinda stuff. I disagree with the notion of the Late Philip J. Fry portraying a sort of reset of time rather than a linear, straight shot to a reset of the _universe_ itself, or rather a new universe, but I read your reply on another comment and honestly, I do think it's completely valid to leave up to interpretation. One of the very few things that bothered me about Futurama were the inconsistent, contrasting concepts of time being used in different episodes. I'm glad now that there's a good theory I can wrap my head around and consider my new headcanon. It adds up. Great video, I'm happy to subscribe.
Commenting only after the 1:00 mark, I would call Jesus an "Avatar" given how the Cristian tradition is to consider him fully God in the form of man. Or at least an aspect of God.
I think this is a strong idea, I was just about to bring up the fully God and fully man aspect, since it’s more of a spiritual self and a physical self at play than a true mixing
Avatar wouldn't really fit because it's usually meant as a temporary decent, but jesus is a permanent union of God and man. "Emmanuel," which means "God with us," and "Messiah," meaning "Anointed one" are terms used to describe him directly and would fit better.
This is a really well-made video, with an implausible amount of clever wordplay and Futurama references. At 33:20 "...but that's not the only time the Nibblonians *pontificate* on Fry's brainwaves." I don't know what's worse: the fact that you made this reference, or the fact that I got it right away.
In "The Late Philip J. Fry" the "Let's take her around again" part is kind of a mind-blower. They went right past themselves about to venture forth into time. How would that second group's trip be different? That one too, would have cycled past the third "universe," wherein the first group would have landed and squashed the third group about to time travel. From that moment (if watching), that group would not have seen Leela running Planet Express, whereas the first group could have seen that, and also could have seen themselves take off time traveling. So that second group would have instead stopped in the fourth universe and squooshed that would-be time traveling team. Since the first group had already squooshed the third team, that should then stop the could-have-been never-ending cycle of time travelers taking the place of their squooshed counterparts two universes ahead. Right? Although, "we" would not see that fifth universe via prior universe time traveling groups, doubtless it would happen after the end of time for the fourth universe and would proceed anew for those next four universes. But what makes it work is if: The first group had stopped in the second universe as planned -- that one would have only been five feet lower rather than ten, so the squooshing part might not have worked out so cleanly.
@@LordGarrykUnder Christianity, empyrean nature is completely beyond human understanding. Hence you can't simplify things to scientific percentages and such. This is also why the three persons of the trinity are not the same, are not three gods, nor are they parts: They are all God despite being three persons, despite what human nature implies.
@@LordGarryk The entire point of God is that he works in ways beyond mankind's understanding. That's how gods work in most religions. Also, there are a lot of cases where science itself completely breaks and has to be modified to work in our world, like quantum physics. You're making yourself look like a fool.
@memememe609 my guy. You just told me that percentages don't work like they would normally and your only source is that God told you essentially. There's a difference between understanding of science changing and straight up stating that something works the opposite it normally does because a book written a around a millenia ago said it does
It's comforting to remember that while the timeline is confusing and fragile, the space of the universe is simply stored away safely in a cardboard box.
@@bennett420 I haven't watched the video yet - it seemed too long and, for that reason among others, too deep for me to watch it when I could have; I wasn't really able to concentrate enough at the time - but is the thumbnail referencing that "The Why of Fry" is in his brain in the form of the Delta brain wave?
At first i thought this was just another pretentious video essay but this was honestly a really intresting watch about the different time traveling rules used in Futurama and how Fry is involved in it!
I understand that is the belief, that's why I picked him for comparison. The term used is "God-Man" fully God and fully man. Like Fry, who is fully Time and fully man.
Fry unlocking his full potential by *objectively* oding on caffeine is peak show writing.
he jus like me fr
One of the best episodes 😆
I remember the scene in Over the Hedge that essentially copied that
@@ZonamaPrime Wtf I thought that movie came out first and they were doing a parody of it but you're right that episode came out 3 years earlier. Crazy
@@ZonamaPrimenah Over The Hedge copied it from HOODWINKED! who copied it from Futurama.
I only noticed right at the end of this video that we're watching this through the what if machine.
Bravo.
Holy shit you're right!
This video is accurate to a tenth of a plausibility unit
"Time made a fool for all of us" is such a good ending that I suspect this whole video was made just for that one line
I've had the idea bouncing around my head before the line, but it was the title of the document I was writing the video in, so you're not wrong.
@@bennett420 "the best kind of correct!"
Came here to say this, beautiful, outstanding closing line. *chef's kiss*
@@godricnecro you can't just say half the qoute
@@thatrandomweeb7804 He did durring the video, and then had it shift into "don't make me tap the sign."
If you make more videos covering the theoretical science of Futurama, I will find a way to get you 4 million dollars. This video was incredible.
Tf r u doing here
enjoying good content like the rest of us.
why the hell are you here dude
@@davidavid1938same you were. To enjoy the moment.
ayo its the mfer who talked about snowflame
SPOILER WARNING: The coffee thing at the end actually really convinced me, the idea that Fry is unknowingly a 4th dimensional being makes so much sense with that!
It does make his weird decision make a lot more sense. I don't think we see him drinking coffee at literally any other point.
And wen he interacts with stuff he makes them move at his hyper fast super speed but only when he wants to
Like the fire extinguisher.
@@aldproductions2301 in one episode he goes to his night job as a guard at the head museum, telling Leela that it's to afford coffee to be able to go to his night job.
Man made out of time and time made out of man, an infinite yet finite loop that caused the creation of philip j fry. he was never born from a different person, and so he was his own grandfather.
Unrelated, but the episode where Bender meets God and Fry spends weeks looking for him only to accidentally find him just randomly without realizing could also point towards that fact.
Traveling forwards in time for us "normal" beings is just *advanced waiting*
i have a time machine that sends me forwards in time by 8 hours in the blink of an eye. i call it bed
@@depotheose7890lol
Geting to close to a blackmore is also advanced waiting "blackhold is not only eating the matter of space it is also eats time of space time" Gravity is a form of time given by mass.
"Thanks to denial I'm immortal!"
Exactly, you get it lol
That goes so hard seeing this XD
This video gives a whole new meaning to that line...
He basically is, he was frozen for 1000 years, he watched the whole life of the universe several times, he was paused time, he slept with his grandmother and became his grandfather
Denial is a river in Egypt. And it flows backwards.
13:55 the timeline that Fry leaves behind in TLPJF isn't actually a paradox at all. Because the gang does not land in the first reincarnation of the universe, they leave that universe's forwards time travel machine unmolested, thus allowing that Fry/Bender/Farnsworth to make the same mistake they did. Thus, it must be that the Universe we follow in the beginning of the episode is one of the "even" universes that a previous Fry/Bender/Farnsworth skipped over as well. Therefore, the cyclic nature of the Universe is restored but in a cycle of two universe reincarnations instead of one. Because of this there is no paradox, only a longer cycle/time loop than you might at first believe.
This has always been my interpretation of the episode, which I really like and think works well.
Looks like writers intentionally made the gang skip first universe reincarnation to avoid paradox. Hm... just another reason to think that Futurama > Rick and Morty
@@myplace4playI don’t think skipping one is even a necessary step, if Universe A travels forward and kills Universe B, then Universe C is unmolested from Universe B and can go on to kill Universe D, leaving E safe etc. etc.
@@lolAvalanche Exactly. It's a time loop 4 universes long. But it could easily have been 2.
@@lolAvalanche Thats just the grandfrather paradox but forward time travel, which means it technically isnt a paradox.
The reason for the 2 loop model is likely because the proffessor shoot hitler after loop1 but misses in loop 2
My interpretation of The Late Philip J Fry has always been
That it's not a circular timeline but just the next universe.
As every universe starts from the same initial conditions they end up exactly the same except one is lower than the other.
They didn't kill themselves in the past they just killed 3 people that were exactly like them in the new universe.
They say that in the show
This is certainly the correct way to view it from the episodes perspective.
I would propose though, that your interpretation that they are one after another is based on our perspective of time.
If the FFTM isn't moving, it's standing STILL in time (there is precedent for this, this is how the PX Ship moves through Space) then we would have no way to tell if they are moving to a new universe or if this universe is just kind of expanding and contracting while they sit in the same spot in time.
But that's just a random thought at 430 in the morning
@bennett420 out of curiosity, how would youu justify the FFTM without regard to Earth's rotation and revolution, wouldn't this mean they are moving in space aswell?
Well, except that it’s 10 feet lower
@@bennett420 i'd argue it still works with it being the same universe if you just extend it to a multi universe cycle since they're only traveling forwards within the same self repeating universe.
the trio leave to the future, skip the next universe making the same thing happen, then replace the trio of the third universe, the second universe trio replaces the fourth and the fifth plays out like the first. the reason i'd argue that doesn't cause a paradox is because there is no reverse time travel going on causing changes, and these events don't alter the universes big bangs shifting a few meters each time plus the whole self contained loop thing.
the assumption of the video being one universe containing all of time is contradicted by the creation of the universe being seperate from the creation of time, there was time before the big bang and there was time after the heat death of the universe, you could probably use this to explain the opal but frankly even i think it's too stupid of a task to bother explaining being thrown across universes while not contradicting the 4 universe cycle of this episode lol
I didn’t know what I was getting into when this appeared in my recommended, but arguing that Fry Futurama is a unique instance of time embodying itself for either agency (the universe needing an avenue to solve problems without tearing itself into holes) or stability purposes (load bearing fool) was not it, and I am not disappointed in the slightest. Cool descent into madness, dude, thanks for putting it on tape.
*load bearing fool*
I really like that way of putting it, a "load bearing fool".
honestly the universal time code tattoo is the most interesting point for me because it only exists due to the larz paradox, to our knowledge he never went out of his way to get that tattoo cause the reason he left leela at the alter was due to finding out what happens to paradoxes and at that point both frys had the tattoo from future bender putting it on inside the freezer.
it's not just an information paradox, the tattoo never was created, it simply just is and doesn't seem to degrade and yet nibbler was still able to laser it away so it isn't an indestructable object.
You can't get something from nothing. Therefore, at some point in the distant future, the snake will bite it's tail and create the past. One is then baffled at how anything could ever exist in the first place. Time is linked with space and is specific to one universe. Each universe has it's own time. When universe forming membranes collide in the 11th dimension, new universes are formed. This explains how new universes can create older universes.
Brane theory isnt particularly well accepted, and so far there is no clear sign of a big bounce being the endpoint of cosmology.
Everything you can definitively prove about time travel still comes from general relaitvity, and only allows for closed timelike curves, and even those require negative energy/mass.
The way I see paradoxical objects that seem to go back and be themselves over and over again is less that it's a thing that always is. As you described, the tattoo not indestructible, it will eventually erode away if it's constantly torn off and placed back onto his ass. The way I see it, there's a version of the past where the tattoo was placed there with the time code and a version of the future where the tattoo is so worn down that it needs to be recreated, possibly similar, if not identical, to the way it was placed there in the first(?) place.
So, time will keep going and repeating itself as many times as it can before something different happens, in which case it needs to happen again for time to continue as it has.
At least, concerning Futurama, since it seems they can indeed go back in time through more "natural" means and actually change the course of events, this could be some form of that happening. At some point, the time has been naturally altered by running itself over and over again, so it recreates itself.
Time code's existence could be a time knot that has only a starting point, and for some reason it looped to have none, maybe because current configuration of events was the only one that does not resolve in time paradox (or at least it was the most probable configuration).
This code may be the corner part of the universe for what we know about it, and in Futurama the universe just kinda existed forever with no starting or ending point (according to The Late Philip Jay Fry is always expanding until the heat death happens until the big bang happens etc.). So if universe has no starting point and code if the crucial part of it, it also have no starting point.
The only thing we know for sure that timeline with the code is self-contained, that's it
I like to think as nibbler lasers it off him at that point, is what tattoos him in the first place at some unknown point prior.
I'd just like to point out how satisfied Fry was at riding the Scooty Puff Sr. Even if he was previously erased, he was content with his forsaken self's decision.
Scooty puff sr. is a game changer.
I was skeptical. Then you brought up breathing himself into existence. I'm in the cult now!
I know I might be over analyzing the symbolism in that scene, but right?! It's too perfect to not be intentional.
@@bennett420ob my god you’re right. I’m spechless.
So when we getting the time code tats ?
@@borjadetorres7747 have you had your breath taken away
@@tzarg it’s true! I have! How did you know?
The What-If Machine vignette brings up an interesting point. Whether or not it was accurate to what would happen if Fry destroyed the cryotube or was killed is irrelevant. If the tale of interest is true, then what you said holds up. But if it's not, that means that the idea of what would happen in that case is incalculable, like it was asked to divide by zero. In which case, you're still right: Fry's existence and freezing is necessary to the structure of the universe.
The way I look at it is that- When the universe ends with the forwards only time machine, that doesn't end the timeline. The universe recreates itself, the ship goes through again, and lands in the "past"- But it's like pulling out a tape measurer only to see the pattern repeats after you pull enough tape. It's not actually the same spot in the timeline as last time, it literally is in the future, just, now, repeating what was once the past.
yea I was pretty disappointed by it being called a paradox because it's still in the linear timeline
The only way it would be a Paradox would be if another previous time machine came to the original universe, but because the group we followed crushed their copies on arrival to the new universe, we can assume something like that happened to prevent the previous time machine from coming. Perhaps a 3 or 4 Universe repeating pattern.
We saw the 1st Universe where they started.
In the 2nd Universe, they overshot.
In the 3rd Universe, they arrived and crushed their copies, and everything was pretty much the same before they left.
They never traveled to any further universes, but it could be assumed that a similar group would depart from the 2nd Universe to arrive here in the same manner, crushing their copies much the same in the 4th Universe.
Assuming all Universes started off in a similar manner, the 5th Universe would be much like the 1st Universe which had no-one arriving from a past Universe, and starting the cycle again.
That said, it's not clear what affect the Professor caused by blasting Hitler and Roosevelt leading up to their arrival. Perhaps the 2nd Universe was different in a significant way, removing the time travelers from that universe and only needing 3 Universes in the loop.
Actually we could have started from the 2nd Universe too. Perhaps travelers from the 1st Universe shot Roosevelt while passing the 2nd Universe's past, making it the same as the 4th Universe, while the 3rd Universe had Hitler shot by our 2nd Universe Professor in addition to anyone that the 1st Universe travelers shot.
In this case:
- Travelers depart from the 1st Universe.
- Travelers shoot Roosevelt in the 2nd Universe, but overshoot. The group we follow depart the 2nd Universe.
- Travelers do whatever they want, and arrive in the 3rd Universe. Our Professor shoots Hitler on the way through, but overshoots.
- Our Professor shoots Roosevelt, and then they arrive in the 4th Universe, crushing their copies.
There could be any number of additional things happening to Universes 1 and 3, since we don't know how similar their history is to the ones we saw, 2 and 4.
MADE IN HEAVEN
"I watched as the universe began and I watched time run out."
Philip J. Fry
-The Doctor
The thumbnail is a work of art.
Thanks! Had a couple I was working on, but fell in love with this one so I'm glad people like it!
@@bennett420I like it too!
@@bennett420yeah honestly captivated me and made me click on the video, looks like something you'd see from a giant channel, good job man
@@bennett420 I loved at the end too having the reverse orange silhouette of Fry.
@@bennett420i've watched like 20 episodes tops of Futurama in my life, and i'm here because of your thumbnail. It's good.
Ending this video with Fry's exploits in 300 Big Ones was one of the best punchlines I've ever experienced.
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
This was one of the most well-researched interpretations of canon put on RUclips, I love thinking about Futurama in these nuanced ways
The irony is I tend to think overcommitment to canon and continuity can do more harm than good, I even made a video about it. And yet, here I am overanalyzing canon lmao
@@bennett420i think the issue with this analysis is... some of these episodes may not be canon - specifically, some episodes may be either retconned, or simply be considered non-canon by the writers from the very start, but they write the episode anyway because it's fun
For "The Late Philip J. Fry" I always interpreted it as the professor always screws up and creates a gap universe, in which the three of them don't get crushed by the time machine
He later went back there, though, in the new episodes. Sorry.
Isn’t that what directly happens? They do make a whole universe and just skip past it - idk how it could work another way based on what’s actually shown in the episode tbh
Man, you really didn't have to phrase it as "giving grandma Mildred a cream pie"
Got me to open the comments looking for people reacting to it, so it worked I guess
smash
I actually love the way The Late Philip J Fry handles fixing the paradox.
Timeline 1: Fry, Bender, and Hubert travel forward, skip Timeline 2, and kill their Timeline 3 counterparts. In this timeline, Leela ends up successful and lonely.
Timeline 2: they travel forward, skip Timeline 3, and kill their Timeline 4 counterparts. Once again, Leela ends up successful and lonely.
Timeline 3: they get killed by their timeline 1 counterparts, who live on happily ever after, and Leela isn't alone.
Timeline 4: they get killed by their Timeline 2 counter, who live on, and again, Leela isn't alone.
Timeline 5: cannot get killed by Timeline 3, as they were killed, so this timeline is effectively the same as Timeline 1
Just like 5, 6 is effectively the same as 2, 7 as 3, and 8 as 4. Those 4 timelines loop seamless, where half the time Fry, Bender, and Hubert disappeared forever and Leela is alone, and the other half of the time, Fry, Bender, and Hubert are killed and replaced, they all live on like nothing happened. I think this works perfectly, as there really isn't a paradox, just two versions of the timeline.
This wouldn't work without killing half of the time. If for example, they didn't kill their counterparts, and just took their place after they left in the time machine, it would go like this:
Timeline 1 goes to Timeline 3, Leela is alone.
2 goes to 4, Leela is alone.
3 goes to 5. Leela isn't alone because of Timeline 1.
4 goes to 6. Leela isn't alone because of 2.
5 goes to 7. Leela isn't alone because of 3.
6 goes to 8. Leela isn't alone because of 4.
Do you see the issue? After the first two timelines, it would be impossible for Leela to wind up alone to write the message to Fry in the cave. If this were how it went, if would be paradoxical because in this theoretically infinite cycle of universes, there would be a discrepancy where no Leela after the "first two" could end up alone to write the message for Fry.
Killing their alternate selves is exactly what fixes this paradox, by making it possible that there are still universes where Leela will write the message to Fry. I love that the Futurama made this, and topped it off with the professor saying "Pow, we took care of the time travel paradox." Perfect cherry on top of this beautiful thought experiment.
You have no idea how many times I've tried to come to this conclusion.
You know, the scene where he walks super fast due to coffee isn't a time power - it's just the effect of the coffee. I've had to limit myself to a maximum of two coffees a day so I don't go super fast again.
We assume the speed is the effect of the coffee. It could instead be true that the coffee unlocks what's actually a time power!
Coffee does speed up my bowel time, so there's some evidence. @@RobertJW
@@gonesnake2337 your bowel just TIME TRAVELLED!
Maybe YOU are our Fry in our reality, because the closest to a power drinking too much coffe is to evacuate essencially my weight into the toilet.
Speaking of powers, we are all familiar with how much the writers tended to take actual phisics into consideration, which implies that Fry not dissolving into dust or breaking apart from all the momentum of moving at such speeds should have an explanation. (Or maybe they just needed a way to end the episode and decided on that)
100 "cups" of coffee would outright kill most creatures. Especially since some of those are the "Whale cup". Seriously. The cup counter counted that as 1 cup of coffee. For all we know, Fry might've been able to buy a $3 tanker truck of coffee at some point, but it just isn't shown on camera.
I'm just happy this show existed and made my teenage years brighter with its humour, imagination and clever plots.
That thumbnail made me think: What about the Y of Fry? I mean, he gets his Y Chromosome from his dad, who gets it from Fry. Like you said about the difference between fry and Kyle Reese, Fry's patrilineal lineage originates from nowhere but himself.
Atum in Egyptian mythology is (at least in some versions) the original and ultimate diety who thought himself into existence. Meaning he didn't exist and then he did because he wanted to, even though he couldn't have wanted to because he didn't exist yet. This is called Causa Sui, self-causeing. The way I see it, this is the fundamental miracle of existence. whether you want to personify it as god or rationalize it as the big bang, there had to be a prime mover, an effect without a cause.
Even if you reject the idea that time ever began and instead believe that time is an infinite cycle (like in The Late Phillip J. Fry) we are still left asking, "why is there something instead of nothing?" And "why are the laws of the universe what they are and not something else?". It's kinda like that one episode where everything is pixelated and the Professor discovers the fundamental particle of existence. He's upset that there are no more questions to answer until he realizes that there are still metaphysical questions that can never be answered because you can always keep asking "but why?"
What I'm getting at is that I think Fry's self creation is this miracle that created the Futurama universe. The timeline starts in the middle and expands forwards and backwards in time. A universe had to exist so that fry could be born into it. All of history from before Roswell That Ends Well had to happen so as to justify the conditions of Fry's self-creation.
The Brains are also connected to this Causa Sui idea. They seem to me to be a reference to the concept of the Boltzmann Brain, a thought experiment that suggests that it's more likely for a brain to spontaneously form and just imagine the universe than for the universe itself to spontaneously form. It's a very solipsistic concept but The Brains from Futurama are themselves very solipsistic, viewing the universe as something that only exists to be studied.
Fry and the brains are intrinsically linked in that it is the conditions of his own self-creation which makes him immune to their powers. In this way, they too exist to justify Fry's importance to the universe since he saves reality from the brains.
The brains need to know everything and this means they will destroy everything to have complete knowledge. Fry is perfectly happy not understanding a damn thing and it's this acceptance that saves the universe. If Fry is the unwitting creator of his universe then that could explain why the world of Futurama is so ridiculous. I think the brains came about at the dawn of time as an attempt by the universe to make sense of its own absurdity. Since reality is inherently absurd, the brains can never succeed in their goal without destroying the universe in the process.
Fry the father (of Yancy)
Fry the son (of Yancy)
Fry the holy spirit (god satellite/ time code)
I like the idea that the creation of the timeline was from fry instead of him being an aberration in the timeline. It makes more sense that the outlier is the creation instead of the otherway around.
It makes me wonder if other universes in fiction also have a creation point and expand outward in both directions, and we just never see them because they're not the focal point of the story.
The forward’s Time Machine episode isn’t a number of different timelines or universes or anything like that, it’s just moving forwards in time, normally, just at great speed. The solution is that the universe collapses and then re-erupts over and over in a cycle, which repeats itself nearly exactly. All the stuff that happened during their run throughs did actually happen, it’s just in the past now.
When is the next Futurama cult meeting
They're 4th dimensional meetings so the scheduling is a nightmare
It's the 7th Tuesday of every month. If your time-line doesn't have 7 Tuesdays in any given month, it is likely your time-line has been purposely excluded to keep scheduling consistent for the rest of us. If you still wish to join the meeting every month you must find your own way to and when the meeting takes place. If you have any further questions, please direct them to the me of your appropriate time-line.
I thought we had agreed to just have the one meeting on March 28, 1999. We watch/watched the first broadcast together. Requiring time travel keeps the riff raff out.
@@bobnewheart1307this has "report to the magistrate for the shire in which ye dwell" energy.
I'm going to hire a bureocrat just for this...
That bit about the universe not existing without fry really convinced me because every other time the timeline breaks the mistake is just deleted from reality, like nixon's opponent or the benders, but if reality itself can't exist without fry then the only way to ''correct' the timeline at that point is to delete everything that can't exist without fry's actions, which is the universe itself
i love futurama so much
its what, 20 years and people STILL FIND NEW THINGS TO DISCOVER ABOUT THE FCKING SHOW
holy shit
For the Back to the Future thing, I always thought of it like this: Chuck Berry wrote Johnny B. Goode, otherwise Marty wouldn't know it. All Marty did was accidentally put himself into the song's timeline, and make his own guitar playing inspiration for the song he's playing. But that's the only change, that Marty is technically part of the song's history. I know the implication of the movie is that Marty inspired it, but I think it's just a slightly altered bootstrap paradox. Rather than Marty going back and becoming Chuck Berry when he discovers Chuck Berry doesn't exist, he just accidentally inspires the song that inspired him.
the explanation at 12m is effectively King Crimson explained lol
12:15 I'm so glad Futurama took the time out to explain how King Crimson works.
You opened with my favorite joke of the entire series.
He ended with one of mine!
5:47 Dude, you did not have to word it like that🤣🤣
It was necessary
Reality itself is seemingly altered by beings capable of perceiving it, existing and observing the flow of time inherently causing time itself to exist. Therefore in order to make a substantial change to the flow of time, that perception would have to be altered. Assuming the timeline is linear, time travel by physical means would have always happened(observed), but a change made in the present to the past(unobserved) may carry enough momentum to switch which "present" we reside in.
The very first episode is time travel to fry. Think about it: You're put in a cryo pod and wake up 3,000 years later, to you tha's time travel
man this is so unnecessarily brilliant, bravo
Dude, this is the best video I've ever seen. Hands down. Thank you for the love to Futurama you put into this
Love the video, I always thought that fry did break the timeline when he killed his grandfather but it corrected itself with him conceiving his father or whatever, breaking the timeline by having too many of a person results in deaths to make it correct again, fry killed his grandfather but existed in the correct time and place for him to still exist by becoming his own grandfather and stabilizing it, not on purpose but in the same way that random things coincidentally fell on people to resolve the timeline in benders big score. your interpretation of it is super interesting as well, great video!!
I watch a lot of long form stuff on youtube but I usually cut out halfway through cause it isn't engaging enough. this is top tier content watched all the way through, good job. subbed, keep it up
"Time made a fool for all of us" is an outstanding closing line. Though, shouldn't it be "for us all"?
lmao I basically wrote the video around that line and I had it misremembered this whole time. You're 100% right, that's the actual phrase. Fry even says it at one point. The first schism in the cult of Fry will be between those who say "all of us" vs "us all" lol I can see it now.
Also thanks for watching!
no you see, the fool time made for all of us is Fry@@bennett420
And Phillip J Fry is that fool!
If there's still any confusion, Terminator time travel is basically "begs the question" fallacy mixed with temporal paradox. Mobius Dick will make sense if you're into Half-Life.
I am so glad I’ve found this channel! I’ve been a lifelong fan of futurama and I love watching content about it on RUclips! This might be my new favorite thing for the next couple of months
You made me think I'd fallen into a new Mandela Effect alternate universe where "The Why of Fry" had actually always been named "The Why of THE Fry." You forced me to Google and episode name I already knew, well done, sir.
15:10 You're not really interpreting the forward-only time travel correctly. Time isn't looping, the universe is. There is no paradox, no alternate timeline. The events in the universe still exists in the past on the same timeline and will always exist as events during the period in which that universe existed. Additionally the time machine isn't "always" in that spot. It inhabits one 4D position as it slides along the 4th (time). It won't any other time machines, even if they're on the exact spacial location, will not interact because the one from the next universe is always one universe-length of time ahead, and the previous one is one universe-length of time behind. It's like a giant game of musical chairs played along the 4th dimension.
Thank you! This was so frustrating to hear him completely miss the point on this.
If every new universe is 10 feet lower this not only fixes the paradox at the end of the episode but the paradox of two time travel vehicles taking up the same spot since they’re not, one is above the other
That's not a paradox though. There are never two occupying the same spot because each machine exists in its own DIFFERENT universe
I've never seen Futurama but I understood everything you talked about because your just good at this. I was expecting 5-10k subs but alas no. You my dear friend are underrated
Remember, the forwards only machine had the middle timeline altered by shooting someone along the way and someone different in the one they actually end in.
So the loop is maybe not just one big bang, but includes multiple consecutive universes until it lines up again.
This is way more in depth than I ever thought we could go into Futurama theory, and I'm here for it.
It was written by mathematicians and physicists. I always assumed there was more going on. Just didn't bother looking into it.
The fact that the whole discussion is framed inside the what-if machine. Damn, man. A nice detail.
so two points: the forward time ship, they miss the universe on the first loop and have to catch it on the second pass. this means that the future where leela runs planet express can happen eveyother timeline. so it's not necessarily a mistake to be corrected, but a repeating pattern still.
secondly, i feel the need to note another character from a different sci-fi humor series; red dwarf. the main character in that, one dave lister the last human, is his own father. he describes to his son that they are a paradox that means humans will always exist, a continuing infinite timeloop. No other significant similarities to the two i can think off, he might have also terminator rules influenced his own fate but i don't recall for sure off the top of my head, but i thought it an interesting note.
In Red Dwarf,lister is technically the (confirmed conscious) universe’s way of eternally preserving the human race and preventing it from definitively going extinct ever again. Even when he is forcefully removed from the timeline the “better version” of himself still lines up enough to fill the roll. Lister’s loop is more self contained and isn’t designed for any greater purpose outside of preservation. While Fry became the Professors direct ancestor,ensuring the existence of the forwards Time Machine.
The Loop could probably be: build the time machine and go to the end of the universe -> miss the universe accidentally -> Kill their copies -> build the time machine
Red Dwarf definitely runs on Terminator rules. Most of the time travel is causal loops where the time travel causes the events, or simply form a closed loop with the events in the past. Any changes are "it was always this way" sort of changes, ergo not really changes but simply a self causing loop of events.
Jesus isn’t a demigod because he isn’t a half-god half-human. He’s a full god who chose to become a human.
I would love to see more videos from this channel
The thing is, that episode where they go forwards in time until it restarts, it's genius, because they always move 2 universes forward, that means there is simultaneously one universe where leela dies without fry, that's the first universe they skip at the start by accident, and the second universe where they replace the crew by teleporting on top of them, and that's true for the previous and subsequent iterations of every member traveling behind and after them. it demonstrates series of infinity so well, it's my favourite episode to be honest
so yeah, those two universes are both true at the same time, well... until the new futurama came out and made things inconsistent.
I like the knot theory it makes a lot of sense
it does knot
Does it knot?
@@wille.g.2510IT DOES SEW 🧵🧵🧵
Fry is the time exploring himself to see him again from both perspectives him time, and him in time
Isn't that Shiva?
Homestuck, that series that had a large and direct influence on Undertale, also melds multiple time travel methods into a single narrative.
Terminator rules are the main method, but the Back to The Future rules have a unique role.
The timeline _is_ technically free to branch off into alternate timelines, over and over, but eventually, most of the time, these timelines end up reaching back around and becoming part of the main timeline, the alternate branches always existed, they simply roll back into the Alpha Timeline via someone eventually going back to instigate its continuation. The timelines that don't end up simply fading into irrelevancy, since they don't roll back around into the main one we follow.
Homestuck, however, has a third method, that only exists due to the fact its a piece of fiction, with its future pages not yet being written, being an in-universe fact.
At one point in the story, we have a gap in time where material hasn't yet been written by the author, we already know that the setting in the future is directly connected to the past due to it taking place on the same Earth, with objecrs strewn about that we know characters in the "past" setting are responsible for, but how point A got to point B wasn't written yet.
Enter the main character, John, getting the power of literal author retcon, using said ability to rewrite the story by altering key points, for the purpose of saving all his friends.
All his friends and allies dying didn't contradict the future we had been shown, it would make perfect sense for the story to continue naturally into that setting chronologically, but again, Homestuck being a work of fiction, with pieces of its history not existing, due to not yet being concretely written, is a fact of the universe, which enables John to use his newfound abilty to alter the story into a version of itself where all his friends are alive, while still also being a course of events that continues logically into that already established future.
What would you say fry's class is, seeing as he's obviously a time player under this idea?
@@neon_spotlight Probably Muse of Time since he's essentially the polar opposite of Lord English with his relationship to time.
If not a Muse, then a Page.
Homestuck was really.... Ahead its time
Tl;Dr sweet bro and hella jeff are jesus incarnate
12:15 Congratulations, you've explained the ability of King Crimson
Only made it halfway through the video cuz I don't want spoilers but it's a great video so far!
Amazing video honestly. Any other content creator would have summarised the events of entire episodes instead of actually explaining things. This is a masterpiece.
You forgot the most common type of time travel: Normal speed, at one second per second. Literally every single episode has this trope, and it’s pretty crazy you somehow missed it.
Didn’t know I needed Futurama video essays but here we are. I’m gonna binge watch every video on this channel now
Fry represents a dilemma we all have where we sometimes really want to go back in time when we were younger and had things easier. But did Fry really have it better back then than he did in the future? In 2000, Fry has a shitty job, with a terrible family, and a cheating girlfriend. In 3000, he has the opposite of all those things. He has a relatively good job (in comparison), he has a large loving family even if the Professor is the only one who's blood related to Fry, and he has a loyal badass girlfriend who would risk life and limb for him.
I think what it all comes down to is fear of the unknown. We have no idea who tomorrow entails, and to an extent is scares us because we're so used to what we knew from yesterday.
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This was a very well done, nicely written, and thoughtfully researched video! It was awesome! I live for this kinda stuff. I disagree with the notion of the Late Philip J. Fry portraying a sort of reset of time rather than a linear, straight shot to a reset of the _universe_ itself, or rather a new universe, but I read your reply on another comment and honestly, I do think it's completely valid to leave up to interpretation.
One of the very few things that bothered me about Futurama were the inconsistent, contrasting concepts of time being used in different episodes. I'm glad now that there's a good theory I can wrap my head around and consider my new headcanon. It adds up. Great video, I'm happy to subscribe.
One of the best video essays I’ve ever seen. Great job!
You deserve more subs and likes, great work!
Thanks! Very much appreciated, we'll get those numbers up there, the channel is still very new.
Absolute banger of a video. Solid cadence and delivery and excellently put together. Very entertaining and got me thinking about time in groovy ways.
Commenting only after the 1:00 mark, I would call Jesus an "Avatar" given how the Cristian tradition is to consider him fully God in the form of man. Or at least an aspect of God.
I think this is a strong idea, I was just about to bring up the fully God and fully man aspect, since it’s more of a spiritual self and a physical self at play than a true mixing
It is the one that fits the best besides maybe Vessel, Idk im not well versed in the technically of it
Avatar wouldn't really fit because it's usually meant as a temporary decent, but jesus is a permanent union of God and man. "Emmanuel," which means "God with us," and "Messiah," meaning "Anointed one" are terms used to describe him directly and would fit better.
Ah Fry the best Bootstrap Paradox out there. Really enjoyed your take on him and what he could be by this point.
absolutely phenomenal video
how tf do you only have 5k subscribers, this is some fantastic rhetoric
This is now my new favorite video of Futurama
I really really really really really really enjoyed this video thank you for sharing your overwhelming passion for this topic with the rest of us
“Zeus is just a regular dude”
Zeus: “bro wtf I’m the son of a titan”
The fact that fry can drink so much coffee he STOPS TIME instead of just DYING proves that there's definitely something going on there.
videos like this are what the Internet was made for
This is a really well-made video, with an implausible amount of clever wordplay and Futurama references.
At 33:20 "...but that's not the only time the Nibblonians *pontificate* on Fry's brainwaves." I don't know what's worse: the fact that you made this reference, or the fact that I got it right away.
If time makes a fool of all of us, then it only fits the only one able to "fool" time, is a fool like Fry
In "The Late Philip J. Fry" the "Let's take her around again" part is kind of a mind-blower. They went right past themselves about to venture forth into time. How would that second group's trip be different? That one too, would have cycled past the third "universe," wherein the first group would have landed and squashed the third group about to time travel. From that moment (if watching), that group would not have seen Leela running Planet Express, whereas the first group could have seen that, and also could have seen themselves take off time traveling. So that second group would have instead stopped in the fourth universe and squooshed that would-be time traveling team. Since the first group had already squooshed the third team, that should then stop the could-have-been never-ending cycle of time travelers taking the place of their squooshed counterparts two universes ahead. Right? Although, "we" would not see that fifth universe via prior universe time traveling groups, doubtless it would happen after the end of time for the fourth universe and would proceed anew for those next four universes.
But what makes it work is if: The first group had stopped in the second universe as planned -- that one would have only been five feet lower rather than ten, so the squooshing part might not have worked out so cleanly.
"Is Jesus from the Bible human?"
there have been a couple dozen literal wars fought over that question
Thank you for this great video. I have watched all of Futurama many times but now I have also joined the Cult of Fry!
All Hail Fry, A fool for us all😆
0:37 imagine finding freaking Philip J Fry in a dnd campaign
This is the best Futurama video on RUclips!
Jesus is not 50% God and 50% man, he's 100% God and 100% man, simultaneously. His existence is a mystery. This is the official theology on the matter.
That's not how percentages work
@@LordGarrykUnder Christianity, empyrean nature is completely beyond human understanding. Hence you can't simplify things to scientific percentages and such.
This is also why the three persons of the trinity are not the same, are not three gods, nor are they parts: They are all God despite being three persons, despite what human nature implies.
@memememe609 that's an awfully convenient excuse to get away with complete bull. Legit "source, trust me bro" argument
@@LordGarryk The entire point of God is that he works in ways beyond mankind's understanding. That's how gods work in most religions. Also, there are a lot of cases where science itself completely breaks and has to be modified to work in our world, like quantum physics. You're making yourself look like a fool.
@memememe609 my guy. You just told me that percentages don't work like they would normally and your only source is that God told you essentially.
There's a difference between understanding of science changing and straight up stating that something works the opposite it normally does because a book written a around a millenia ago said it does
It's comforting to remember that while the timeline is confusing and fragile, the space of the universe is simply stored away safely in a cardboard box.
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Oh hell yeah, thanks! I went back and forth with a bunch of versions of it. This was like best case scenario for the first comment the video got lmao
@@bennett420 I haven't watched the video yet - it seemed too long and, for that reason among others, too deep for me to watch it when I could have; I wasn't really able to concentrate enough at the time - but is the thumbnail referencing that "The Why of Fry" is in his brain in the form of the Delta brain wave?
@@bennett420Fits Futurama perfectly, as a really cool concept with a lot of Layers and Depth to it when you look deeper into it ❤p
RIght, now I gotta watch the new season. There really is nothing quite like the writing behind Futurama! Good vid
Theologically speaking, Jesus is both fully God and fully human. He is not a demigod.
Based on the title I just assumed this was a character study on fry but no way am I disappointed thanks for catching me on my toes and the good video
To answer your first question. Jesus would be classified as a human. He is also God. He’s fully human and fully divine. God and Man.
At first i thought this was just another pretentious video essay but this was honestly a really intresting watch about the different time traveling rules used in Futurama and how Fry is involved in it!
Jesus is both God and man. It's not 50/50, but 100/100.
I understand that is the belief, that's why I picked him for comparison. The term used is "God-Man" fully God and fully man.
Like Fry, who is fully Time and fully man.
Never watched much Futurama, but you can be damn sure I watched this entire video
stopped watching, heresy :/
Lol heresy? What part?
@@TheKordLDurhamjesus from the bible
best wishes
that point where fry's paradox ended the universe is probably the strongest point in the video
This video is AWESOME!!!
This was a really good video. I'll enjoy watching it 40 years ago.
Brilliant vid, keen to check out your other videos on Futurama. Subbed
I love the thought exercise. Great video and very interesting. Keep it up.