GARMIN APPROACH R10 Home use a Launch monitor
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2022
- Are you looking to buy a golf launch monitor? You may be wondering if the Garmin approach r10 is the right one for you. In this video Mark Crossfield, we take a look at some of the features of the approach r10 and give you our thoughts on whether it's the best option for home use.
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People get too wrapped up in how "accurate" the data is from these cheaper analyzers. What they should be focusing on is how "consistent" the data is. The numbers are relative. If it's giving you a consistent data set then you can still see trends and improve your game. If you are looking to be a professional coach or set up a home simulator then of course you aren't going to rely on a $600 piece of equipment lol. If you are looking to improve your game, I think any of these launch monitors that fall in the $500-$600 range are great.
The only reason I want to buy one is to dial in my wedge distances. So the accuracy of the carry is extremely important. If it is consistently giving me inaccurate carry data I’m not sure how that is beneficial…
True for a lot of things, not true for this. Carry distance, face angle, etc all need to be accurate
I love my R10. I set it up in my garage for night time and winter practice. I spent some time to really line it up & level it with my hitting mat and I’m very impressed for the money I spent. I find it works better with the E6 software included. The results are closer to reality. I’ve had it for 6 months now and love it for both practice and entertainment.
I love mine, not for the accuracy, which I know it doesn't have, but for the sheer fun of playing the Home Tee Hero simulator. Even if it constantly tags every shot at 1-2 clubs shorter, it's a blast to stand in the range with mates and play a virtual round. And that, as practice, is so much fun. Worth every penny
What’s your distance from unit to ball and ball to net or screen? I have 7 feet to ball 13 feet to net and my shots with exception of 3 wood/driver are within 3/5 yards from what I had my clubs gapped on track man
@@grindano mine is spot on as well
How have you got it set up? Trying to build a budget home simulator. Would love any info
That sounds great and I'm intrigued how you set that up for a home simulator
My mate has one and we’ve compared it to my Quad. It’s decent on ball stats. He’s built a garden gazebo and the R10 comes with a basic E6 subscription. He’s been able to setup a home sim for around £1500 plus some donkey work. I wouldn’t have thought this possible a couple of years ago. Sim golf is a growing market and the R10 is great for entry level with a view to upgrading as finances allow. No putting unfortunately.
His long game has improved on the course because he’s hitting balls and can react to a ball flight he doesn’t like. With his coaching he can feel when he’s moving back to his patterns and correct them at home.
I’ve had mine for 7 months and love it. I already had a net for the backyard so this is a great practice add on. In Feb/Mar we had 6 weeks of torrential rain and no golf could be played. I took a promo deal on E6 and played courses all over the world twice a week in my garage! Even now our range is closed from the flooding so with the R10 I can still practice at home. It’s a commonly known issue that spin rates are off but I find distance and ball speed to be pretty accurate and have put it next to a Foresight X3 (radar) and its close on most metrics I am worried about.
So you can hit it into a net correct?
Have you tried using Titleist RCT balls?
These are always intriguing since they’re getting more and more accessible. Thanks for the review Mark! Good to see where the tech has come along with this pretty thorough review.
First, Mark, thanks for all the videos. You are one of the few with a good understanding of different sources of variation and this makes you one of the most thoughtful and reliable reviewers. I'm a retired statistician, so the acknowledgement of uncertainty and dispersion in making reviews is important to me and should be important to everyone.
I've had the R10 for around six months and kept it up to date with software updates. I already have the G80 and have previously tried iphone launch monitors such as shot vision. I bought the R10 for data on club angle, launch angle, spin, etc, to help me on the range. I've tested both also compared to a Trackman with the help of my coach.
My experience is that the R10 doesn't offer anything much useful beyond the G80 or an iphone launch monitor. All deliver reasonable numbers on distance, ball speed, and club speed. Using your eyes too, this is pretty much most of what you need for assessing quality of strike. I found that the extra stats offered by the R10 were just too untrustworthy to be of any use, so if you are wanting to work on issues such as club face at impact, the R10 isn't reliably helpful. Actually, on the range the G80 is more reliable on distance for range balls for obvious reasons.
Another difficulty with the R10 is that presently the data export facilities are extremely limited. Ideally one wants to download session data in order to explore patterns, but this is very difficult (so clunky that I don't bother) at present. I imagine Garmin will eventually upgrade its data export software and this will make the R10 much more useful.
As such, the real question is whether the R10 is worth having in comparison to a far cheaper launch monitor. My judgement is that the extra data offered isn't reliably worthwhile.
I do acknowledge that the R10 can be set up to sim golf courses and lots of people with home nets enjoy these extras. But if you are just using it at the range to help improve your game, I fear you will be disappointed.
Always puts a smile on ya face those Mark gems...Just getting going: Let's not call out ball speed, first ball of the day! Then later on while talking practice: I don't know any lessons where I have told to stop hitting shots.
I bonded with you today Mark Crossfield when you brought out your phone and it looks exactly like mine, color, case everything! LOL. Subscribed now for life!
Hi Mark, thanks for the review. I have one and think it’s great for the money. Ball speed and launch angles are spot on (when aligned properly) everything else needs to be interpreted carefully. As a radar unit light does not impact the measurements.
I'm delighted with mine. I was also considering a Mevo+ but for the money the Garmin won out. I understand its limitations, especially when I'm trying to improve club-path and face-to-path, but I've been out in my garden every day. Also, I've already teed the boys up for golf nights on the Home Tee Hero simulator when the nights draw in.
I have one and been using it for a few months. It's not a Quad, but it's a nice convenient device to take to the range and track performance... for an FYI or for mapping my bag. It's "close enough" for its purpose and convenience.
Been using mine for a while inside my garage. You should have played a Sim round. It has tons of courses. I think James Robinson did it where he took it out and played a couple holes. Like you said, it gets you practicing. For the cost, and what you get its fantastic. Plus Garmin actually updates the software quite often.
I've been thinking about one of these and yet again your video is great. I may go for a used one as this would be fun to use whilst practicing
I have one and it’s fantastic! There’s been recent updates that allows the use of RCT balls and the display is now full screen. I also have access to a Trackman and did a side by side comparison… the Garmin is slightly generous with yardage but everything else was incredibly similar.
Does it provide any information on swing path and club face?
does it give you consistent data?
Hi Mark love the channel, Me and my boy and my boys who are twins bought one of these 1 of these at Birmingham this year We only started playing about 6 months ago, My boys Who a 19 now It's made a unbelievable difference. They can pretty much hit the ball And get Club Distances pretty much locked down certainly to play around At our local golf course sprowston Manor. We have all gone from liking the Golf to Absolutely loving it Plus quality time with my boys is priceless .
Apologies For predictive text Plus only had one hour's sleep from a 12 hour night shift. I wish my bloody phone was made by garman !!!! 😆
I got one in winter and I've taken my handicap from a 19 to an 8 in 6 months. Agree that should be used in conjunction with lessons to help commit changes to muscle memory. The competitive weekly comps were also really addictive. Totally worth it for the dough.
Who knew Timmy Mallet played golf! Great overview of this. Really helpful.
I was thinking about this monitor. Thanks for the vid.
I'm saving up for one! They look awesome.
I'm watching Mark's reviews because I trust his honesty.
Thank you gentlemen, much appreciated 👍
I love mine when I get a chance to use it. The more you use it the better your averages are. You get a feel for how much the spin is out and with the recent updates the spin algorithms have got better.
Is there a way to cast it to your TV or a monitor vs a phone?
Hi mark and coach. I have had the r10 since release well over a year ago. It is a great bit of kit for the price. Even better when you pair it with 3rd party apps like “awesome golf” or E6. I have seen it being improved over time with updates, and for the price it’s great for amateurs, especially at the range.
Got my R10 two days ago and have so far only tried it one range session. But it sure did it more enjoyable, and instead of hitting shot after shot going here and there with nothing but my memory as to have I have done, I get the numbers saved. For someone who can't afford a better launch monitor at the time, I'm happy I got it, and I think you got a point about that it will make me practice more. I've never been a fan practice short game shots like those you did at the end, but I think with the R10 I look forward to trying it out, especially since the distance seemed to be pretty accurate there.
I look forward to getting to know it better, and make use of the information that is most accurate. I also look forward to playing a digital course with it on the range. Didn't think too much about that part before I bought it, but I'm curious to try that.
It's leathal mate. Few mates to the range,stick augusta on at great crack
I own the R10...love it, mainly purchased it to encourage practice, keep practice engaging as getting to a range every other night simply wasn't possible...I have to club up on the garmin app but, found it very close to top tracer when on the range. Also didn't expect it to be a GCQUAD 😅
I've nearly pulled the trigger a few times on one of these but always stopped short. Now I'm working from home a lot I'm convinced I'd be in the garden 3 times week playing a practice round.
Bought mine on preorder tried it and decided it would end up in the bag more than use. Flipped it for a nice little profit.
One of the best things about the R10 is Awesome Golf! It’s graphics are the best almost cartoonie but the features are great!!
It has a golf sim feature, that’s great fun with weekly tournaments, normally where the PGA tour is that week, and also links to 3rd party software. Shame you didn’t mention those features. I can say I have played Augusta! 😉
Hi Mark, love your videos and your review. Need to point out though that the R10 does NOT actually track the flight of the ball beyond a few feet from contact... the rest is all algorithms and calculations so wind and other environmental factors are all irrelevant to the results that the R10 provides. For the average recreational golfer it's a decent unit to have fun with, but consideration needs to be given to the fact that the majority of data provided is "Calculated" and "Not Measured". With launch monitors, the more you pay, the more actual measured data you get. Keep the videos coming!!
From what I've heard from the garmin engineers on some podcast its about 50m of ball flight that it can track
@@richardgoodfellow8107 It can read spin on outdoor shots with extended ball flight. The problem is that it requires a firmware update, which Mark likely didn't do since he just pulled it out of the box and charged. The firmware updates since launch have really improved the device leaps and bounds. Honestly, a number of the misreads in the video probably would have been closer had it been updated.
I don’t understand the point? GC quad and other image based launch monitors work exactly the same, using a different technical approach. They just read the initial flight and then calculate the rest. No one would say that QC quad is flawed, it’s just an approach. It’s really about the data it can generate being accurate, NOT how it generates the data per-say.
@@stevenc9207 the quad has high speed cameras, that's the difference , not just radar
I wonder if that screen film made any difference in the readings it gave you. Thanks for the good review Mark!
Mark, have you tested it without the protective film thing on the front? does that obscure it at all? I'd be interested to see if it picks up the club face and spin rates more accurately with the film taken off as intended. Might be a silly question but I just noticed at the end you still had it on. Great vid as always, I'm contemplating getting one as I don't have 14k plus for the quad! though my coach has the quad, you know him as well!
Great shot Mark !
Happy Birthday, Mark.
Been looking at the Approach G80... I need to consider this now.
If you get the device make sure to upgrade the firmware, use an alignment stick if possible with a stand and calibrate through the app shortly before hitting shots. Seems really accurate for me doing this.
Great advice
Same for me u need proper alignment and it’s great
Agree with this!!
Are you aligning the device with the ball?
@@pDPjayDo you align the device with the ball?
I've noticed if you put elevation around 8000 I get much more accurate distances. Spin is a mess in my experience though as well. Great for indoor winter golf use here in iowa, although I think I will move to the sky Trac next year.
Just to play the fairness card….
Do you think removing the packing film from the front the unit would assist the radar to give a more accurate reading?
The bubbles in the plastic film could very well interfere with the units ability to read club/ball data.
Good point
@@SupplementHub just pulled the trigger on a new optishot Orbit.
Not released here in Australia yet, and not sure if they have been elsewhere. Was a gnats whisker on going all out on a quad, but sheesh!!! The price, lead in times and ongoing costs are phenomenal.
I use my R10 to get a idea of my distance and what club I should use. I also have it paired with my Samsung Android phone which is then screen shared on my large smart TV screen, looks great. When your talking about thousands of dollars difference for the sake of a few questionable yards of direction and you use it for fun and practice - I know why I have brought the R10. :)
Used one for a month, around 5 range sessions with 100 balls each time.
I got a total of 100 to 150 shots that I could record data on.
I get more data and am better at telling how my shots play by looking at the range target info, and where the ball ended up or flew.
Sold mine and made a couple of quid on eBay, waiting now for a better budget iPhone based system in the next wee while.
For us amateurs, the key for me is distance. Making sure we know how far we hit it is key. That’s what I use mine for
I've been thinking about getting one since release, mostly for iron distances and a bit of fun on the sim with the kids. If the ball and club speed isn't too far off I'd be able to get a better idea of my distances than not using one. And it's more than 2 hours drive for me to get to a golf store with a quad.
It’s improved my game greatly because of my knowledge of each clubs distance. I’d definitely recommend it for that
I think that this will be perfect for hitting into a net at home and working on distance consistency
on the alignment there Is a cradle that helps with this and is fully adjustable so u get it lvl etc 👍🏻
Get it set up with the E6 software and you have a very usable golf sim in your home. Big screen and projector and your away. When playing courses with your mates it's all relative.
I ordered one 6 months ago suppose to arrive next week...lol bought to use on my patio net.
I have one of the earlier Swing Caddie radar-based launch monitors. It works okay, but once the novelty wears off, it just sits on the shelf. I also got upset me when it told me my 7i carry was only 140 yards instead of the 150 yards I thought it carried!! LOL
I think its best use case might be practicing different length pitch shots into a net.
Even if it's not the most accurate, as long as it's consistent in its readings you can glean a whole lot of helpful data from something like this
Great stuff guys.
What's your take using it on the range? Using range balls?
And using the indoor features, i.e. the home tee & E6?
I can see it being really useful with gapping your clubs, perhaps that hybrid can be replaced by a 7-wood, or do I need a 48-52-56-60 wedges, or 50-54-58, etc.
Mine just came in today, see.
So, I've got a few sessions planned at the range these next few weeks.
I find my Garmin r10 is accurate, have a driving range marked out for distance with range finder and carry matches up. Club speed and ball speed match the other simulators I’ve used. A better comparison would be with trackman, radar vs radar. Lighting conditions don’t make a difference with radar. Spin rate is calculated and is ok with a large sample size. I was fighting a hook last season with my irons, with the garmin r10 I was able to correct. Actual on course flight straight now and fades are possible.
Yeah exactly. I feel like every comment that ever mentions inaccuracy are from people that don't take the time to calibrate and set it up properly. It takes some prep work and that prep pays off. It's not straight up plug and play. For the price too, come on
I'm look for a launch monitor, but going to save up a bit. Bushnell looks mint. A review of it would be great
You need to try Home Tee Hero with the R10 and Awesome Golf. Chances are you can play the course you're on in Home Tee Hero. It makes the R10 well worth the price.
I'm surprised it took you so long to test those. I bought a Flighscope Mevo+ a while back and could have used your advice. No regrets though.. I chose right in the end.
Thanks for another great video both, I am currently looking at buying a home launch monitor and this is something I’ve considered, could you also do a comparison with the Rapsodo
Loved this kind of video bruh, been waiting to see if you’d take a look at the R10. Be interesting to see a review of the GC3 if/when that comes out. Keep up the great work both ! Love the muppet backed tour 😳🤣🤐
Love the tech…still a great ole game❤️
Another interesting vid..thanks..
Great content as always.....just one point i noticed at the end that the screen protector was still on. Would you think that may have some adverse effect on the data. Just a thought brah 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😊😊😊
Well done mark 👏 👍
Love your videos thankyou , tell me you didn't use it without taking off the screen protector ..
I’ve loved my R10 so far and bang for buck it’s great. Never expected perfection or even close to. My reason for getting it was I can practice every day in the garden for 45 minutes to an hour. Rather than once a week at the range where it’s a tenner a bucket! A net for £100, R10 for £500. That’s 2 months in the garden every day or 60 range sessions over a year and a bit. More practice more often and I can get a rough idea of where the ball will go and I can film my swing at the same time. It was a no brainer.
How have you found it chipping / pitching into the net? for carry distance tests
@@ottom333 I’ve never done chipping or pitching into a net with it in all honesty. They’re such feel shots that I prefer to practice them on those on the practice area
Just bought one for my garage set up
I love mine. I'm a tinkerer and have a pretty good understanding of the swing. This enables me to show friends where they are going wrong. Especially Extreme cases of slice etc. It's an amazing back garden tool. If you love your golf, for the price is a no brainer for me.
great review.....thanks. One of the metrics I am looking to fix w a launch monitor is Angle of Attack w Driver....curently and after 2 lessons, I average -5*.....not good. I am looking to buy a home launch monitor to measure this accurately and am wondering if u feel the R10 does this? I see the huge discrepancies re spin rates on most clubs w the R10 but am not sure if that is as criticl a metric for me? Also-are there other home launch monitors u would recommend other than the R10? Thanks.....love ur vids and always learn and laugh lots!
thanks for the video, would the numbers be a little better if you took the protective cover off the face of the R10?
You can buy a stand to assist in line up. Also people add a metal spot (or small piece of metallic insulating tape) to improve accuracy.
I'm currently building a practice area at home and will be going with the r10. I don't think anything else comes close for the money
Currently out of stock in Australia so ordered one from the states.
great vid guys - interesting stuff :)
Great video, Would this closer test if it was Trackman with human alignment issues?
Hi Mark, Did you leave the protective film on the R10 screen and would this have any effect on the readings you got? Other comments that suggest better correlation with other systems. Think ing of buying this to set up basic home simulator.
Love mine have done since last August, use out doors and indoors winter months, please try GS Pro, and E6
I test it all the time against a PRGR radar , both readings very close always,
Knocked 10 strokes of my handicap too : )
Look Home Tee Hero (HTH) is good , not brilliant graphics both great fun..
GET A TRI-POD ! £20 on eBay helps accuracy no auto level on a R10
Looking at the details would this be a good item for purely working on wedge play to dial in carry numbers - so primarily wedge play
That looks sick 👍
Save up a bit more and buy a Skytrak is my advice. Not sure if you guys have tried one but I thinks it’s great. Occasionally you can snap one up for less than £1500 and well worth it for the extra data you get. Still no club face data but ball data is great, particularly backspin, sidespin, launch angle and obviously carry etc g80 is probably as useful as the r10 with the advantage you can use it as a GPS on course.
Loving mine. Go to the range and play home tee hero. Beat my mate at augusta last week haha. Quality device and 500 well spent
What's up dude
I have enjoyed my R10
I would like to point out the Garmin should be good as every time you board an aeroplane it is run by Garmin systems not Foresight sports or Trackman so in theory you trust your life to Garmin. It will be interesting to see how accurate the Garmin becomes with new firmware updates as time goes on.
Had the R10 for a minute but ended up selling it and getting a GC3. As you noted it was fine for some basic information, but it did not give me reliable enough information to help me improve my game. Plus I wanted the ability to build an indoor simulator to use in the off season. There is no comparison between the two units - including the price of course. That said I was impressed with the quality of the unit and had no problem selling it for around the same I paid. But I do love the GC3 !!!
Does leaving the protective plastic film on the R10 affect spin rate reading?
I love mine. Would agree that alignment is fiddly.
I've read that there are software updates that help with the spin calculations.
I'm trying to develop iron striking consistency, so this with a net in the garden would be perfect for me. The amount I spend on range buckets and beer...this would pay for itself in two months.
Great video how does it compare to the mevo flight scope as its a very similar price?
well the carry by the radar
maybe correct in the heavy atmosphere and your gc quad only sees around impact and then uses calculations. If you measured manually the total distance you could then see how the numbers stack up! Does garmin say how far it tracks before losing the ball flight
I use trackman all the time and it throws up some weird rogue numbers occasionally.
Without knowing the tech exactly I would be intrigued on the accuracy vs a top tracer driving range, I assume the range is radar based too
My god. For the price this garmin is great. They are being very picky.. for playing a round at home, it’s perfect.
How much did the screen saver affect it I wonder? I've been looking at this device and wondering whether to buy, I have all the CT10 modules on top of my clubs and find the data captured by my watch invaluable and so did the pro when I had my lesson. Defo, it would make me practice more in the garden with my net - I already practice 2-3 times a week and then play on top of that. Thankfully you've not said anything to put me off buying one - I just need to save for it now. Thank you.
So would be good if I practice in my backyard net just mostly wanting to dial-in my wedges carry (ie full swing, 3/4 and 1)2 swing etc) and my irons?
do you think the plastic on the unit affected the readings?
I would love to see this video redone whereby you compare unit consistency between shots as a percentage. The GC Quad certainly will have more accurate metrics than the Garmin. The quad may measure your backspin on a wedge shot as 6,200 while the Garmin reports 4,800. What's important is comparing accuracy relative to the next shot. If the quad shows your next shot as having 5,800 that's a decrease of 6%. Does the Garmin show a 6% decrease with a reading somewhere around 4,500? If it does, then the unit is providing good directional info that can reinforce what the ball is doing when you alter your swing. The numbers themselves are meaningless. But if you can start feeling what swing changes are resulting in more spin, or less spin, more curve, or less curve, etc, then that is the true value of an inexpensive launch monitor. A professional might need to know the exact RPM's of backspin, or the exact face angle at impact. Amateurs only need to know if that last swing caused more or less spin? Was my face angle more left or more right? And then equate those results to "swing feels".
I have the R10 and a Mevo. The R10 provides a lot more data and ball flight. You can also use the R10 as a simulator and play local courses. Pretty cool. Is it prefect, no. Is it worth saving $14,500, yes. Let’s be honest though. The $15000+ machines are not super accurate either. It’s probably right more often but it’s not gospel.
I was at a scramble tournament and they had a $20,000 trackman setup on a long drive hole. They told use that the long drive was 350yds. I measured it with my Garmin watch and it was 310yds. It was a clear day with no wind.
I would buy it. I think Garmin makes quality products. Guy Canada 🇨🇦
What about the memo+? Would that be a better “comparison”? Slightly more expensive (1k give or take) though.
You missed the golf sim aspect of it, which is really cool. You can play many local courses on it
Can or do you need you to set the parameters like altitude, temps etc on the garmin because if it doesnt match quads settings then it will be different on carry distance?
Be interesting to see a similar comparison with the Toptracer driving ranges. They’re good at encouraging the golfer to practice more but how accurate are they for gap testing etc? 🤔
I can unequivocally say that my approaches are improved by using the Garmin to learn my distances.
Would the type of ball you use? Would more items on the ball help with spinrate and other data?
Its fairly easy to tell if you have the r10 lined up left or right after a few shots. Lined up well i find it does a darn good job. I even find the yardages mostly consistent. Lots of numbers are calculated just like trackman. Great practice tool, if you understand how to use it to your advantage. Nice to pair it with a laser.
Just like Trackman is a huge stretch. But I agree it’s a good little tool.
@MarkCrossfield just like trackman in regards that they both use algorithms to come up with some of their numbers. Just not 20k. It's a good practice tool in the right hands.
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