The SECRET to Getting INSANE ACCURACY from Garmin R10
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- Опубликовано: 27 фев 2023
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I now have the R10 and am very happy with it. I’m in my third year of golf so spin numbers aren’t as important to me right now, as a lot of other people are. I’ll definitely give the RCT balls a go though now that you’ve showed this video. Thank you sir👊🏽
Thank you for this solid, valuable comparison video, Gabe! Content on point, as usual. Love the new simulator setup!
I have R10 for 4 months, using only in my garage. I think its awesome device according to price point and data you get. No regrets to have it! Great video!
Not sure if this was because of my request for you to pair the Garmin with Awesome Golf on the MLM2 pro launch video, but this is exactly what I was talking about. That one simple change (switching to the Awesome Golf software) fixes almost everything wrong people are experiencing with the unit. It was 100% a software issue not a hardware issue.
Thanks for the review! I've had the R10 for about three months and have only used it indoors with random golf balls found on the course. Looking forward to obtaining and trying some radar capture golf balls and the awesome golf app.
I picked up an R10 last summer and have been pretty happy with it. Although one thing I’d add to your list of things to make it as accurate as possible is a good stand for it. In addition to properly leveling the device, most of them have a place in them to put an alignment stick to alleviate the problem you had in the video of not having it pointing perfectly straight. Good video Gabe!
That’s a great addition to the list, thank you.
I also wanted to ask for a suggestion of how to properly align the R10 if you didn’t have an alternative launch monitor to compare it with? Not that you would necessarily know that it was out of alignment unless you were dead certain of your swing accuracy, and let face it, how many of us mortals who may be in the market for this sort of device are that good? Thanks for your great videos, I enjoy them all.
I find that most people don’t hit it near as far as they think they do… this thing is pretty accurate if set up correctly… I use the Garmin app with regular balls… perfect for average golfer to keep swing loose when you can’t get to the course
Wow!!! Amazing results when you spend the time to set it up correct!!!!!
Great video. I have been really enjoying my Garmin R10 mostly using the Awesome Golf app for the range features and E6 for the virtual golf. I have been using normal balls up to now but have recently been contemplating getting the RCT balls. This video has convinced me they're worth the investment for the extra accuracy. Just curious how durable they are. My normal gamers are much cheaper but one ball is pretty scuffed up after one decent range session and getting pretty beat up after 2-3. How well do these RCT balls hold up when hitting a lot of wedge and short iron shots where the grooves take their toll?
Thanks for doing this review. Very impressive numbers for something that fits in your pocket and is only $500-$600
Crap!! I was praying my R10 with RCT balls and Awesome golf was way wrong. Ok I stink at golf but I LOVE LOVE LOVE my R10. Bought it last year based on your vid. It’s perfect for me! Thanks for the channel!
You convinced me,awesome review,great work.Thanks
As someone with a GC3 I wonder if the weather settings were the reason for different rollouts. I’m guessing your barometer was selected with standard 80° and medium firmness with the BLP, not sure if there is a weather setting on the other software
Thank you! That helped a lot 👍🏼
Gabe- Great video. You are making reconsider getting a R10 for my backyard setup. I don’t have the room for anything larger indoors.
great vid. would love to see a comparison between the garmin app with the updates verus the awesome golf and bushnell apps. prefer the layout of the garmin app but would be interesting in the comparison
Nice video! Always enjoy your detailed and insightful information. R10 has always been so good with irons! Driver a tad off for me and people I play with, but for the price point it is so good to have at home.
I have had some accuracy problems, I use my sky caddie to check it. But I need to implement those checks that you suggested. thanks
I use the R10 n my shop sim, and am very pleased with it. The distances are spot on. I use Awesome Golf and am thinking of adding E6 for simulated rounds. I have mine at 7'8" behind tee, level to mat exactly, perfectly in line, use Vice tour balls with three metallic dots in line with eachother. Will try the RCT balls. The spin data is very important for accurate ball flight calculations. Oh and it was 310$ new open box on eBay.
Thanks for this in depth review. Did Garmin inform you as to which data points are directly measured and which are calculated. I am specifically interested in face at contact, path, face to path. Other monitors in this price range don’t measure these items. My interest in this device was piqued when I read that these data points were included.
Great update.
Q. Any idea how I can improve accuracy on spin rate out on the course? I know I spin my wedges about 7000-10.000, but they either come up as 1000, or cursive somewhere between 2000-3500.
I hit my wedges 100m and in quite high, but I just can’t get a proper reading on them (distances are usually within 3m or so).
Great vid. I'm trying to decide between the R10 or whether to wait on the release of the Swing Caddie SC4. Do you have any intel on that device?
I'm just setting up my R10 for indoor use. I'm excited about it!
Congrats 🍾
I have several devices that Garmin R10, ES 14 and a blast Golf device. I have found the Garmin R1.0 to be incredibly accurate with anything less than an iron iron as your video states the longer the club and total distance appears to be way off. The spin rates on longer clubs with theR10 seem extremely off. The ES14 is an all device, but seems to be very accurate. The Golf blast device is another incredible piece of equipment, for putting chipping, bunkers swings, swings for speed, drills, etc. is a very handy device. The Garmin is a very cool piece of equipment, but if it’s not exact, your numbers are very skewed
Amazing…hats off Garmin!!!
Excellent video. Thank you for the comparison!
Glad it’s helpful 😀
Love this review comparing r10 vs blp! What mat are you using please?
LPT will the RCT balls going to be picked up if I have a net outside? I don't have the real estate for an indoor setup but have a nice outdoor net I hit into. Just wondering if it would make a difference indoor vs outdoor for the R10 to track the ball (especially if I pick up those RCT's).
The bushnell calling for a 30 yd roll out on your driver seems to be the more likely to be inaccurate, but it's likely just due to the formulas used to calculate it based on the predicitive data. As you said, carry distance is the number to look for.
Hey Gabe hope you are doing well. Good vid. I wish you would have put more parameters on the screen. I haven't watched any recent videos with the R-10. But alongside spin, one of the main issues w/ the unit was measuring SPIN AXIS which would show an actual draw to appear as a fade or a hook in the sim or Fade to show as a draw or slice. Like we saw in the video. The last 5 iron you hit after you adjusted the unit looks like the spin axis was wrong again. Hence the huge difference in carry.
Good to hear from you dude. I’ll need to dive deeper on that for sure.
Alain, yes, that’s the fatal flaw with the R10.
Interesting comparison Gabe about due for another update for r10 hopefully improve on chipping as can be bit iffy . Unless it’s had all updates they can do to improve it …… ? ⛳️
Well done video, nicely presented and cool setup. But what I was waiting for the whole time was that I want to see lateral deviation of the shots and the according data. Length is fun and games, but if I'm trying to improve my swing target accuracy is way more important. I do feel if I hit the ball center and know how far it should fly, I don't need a launch monitor to tell me that. I can tell if that distance number is wrong or not. What can be really difficult when hitting into a net is however to feel the difference between an outside-in or inside-out swing path or an opened or closed clubface on impact.
Why weren't you comparing club path, face to path, face to target, distance to left or right and maybe spin axis to see if a 600.- device can compete with the Bushnell? Does anyone have experience with these parameters? I am very interested in buying a launch monitor for 500 to 700.-, but if it misinterprets a fade to a draw then that is going to add more confusion to my training sessions than help. And maybe mess up my golf swing for good X-)... I honestly would have expected a video like this to adress this question...
However, still a solid and well done video, just (hopefully unintentionally) missed out on some vital info as far as I am concerned.
Can’t wait to see this test with the Rapsodo.
How is the comparison outdoor with range balls? I am looking for a PLM for purely outdoor range use and would love to see how accurate it is without RCT balls.
man your studio makes me so jealous, excellent work
also any comparison on club data?
Nice video of setting it up indoors. How is the performance and setup outdoors? The golf course I'm practicing is using floater golfballs at the range. How does this affect the accuracy? I will not use Titleist golfballs on the range, knowing they will be lost forever, after a single shot ;-) But are the numbers still usable for training or will they differ a lot from reality?
So, is the device only suitable for usage indoors and outdoors is not accurate enough to use it for training?
Outdoors it’s better than indoors, no special RCT balls needed. Now with floaters, they usually don’t fly as far, so the R10 is going to give you an accurate number of how far the floater flies, but not how long a regular ball flies.
any experience with attack angle, club path and club face ?
Hey you mentioned the distance behind the ball, 6-8 you go with 7ft. What about in front? The manual says 8 ft, have you found a better distance?
Great video, just ordered one via Play better. Thanks
Congrats and hope it serves you well! 🍾
For me I want accuracy on ball flight path. When playing sim golf and especially when practicing I don't want to think I'm hitting a certain way only to find out on the course it's different. I think they need to come out with something better that is unlocked. I'm holding off for now. Mlm2 had me till the subscription and proprietary balls.
As someone has improved more in the past 3 months that I've had the device, than the rest of my life combined, I'd urge you to trust it.
When paired with the Awesome Golf software (and only when paired with it) the Garmin R10 will give you very accurate readings (even with ball flight).
I'm not sure what level you're at, but even if you are a scratch golfer you'll get some very useful information from this device. If you're a beginner, it's easily the best golf purchase to improve your game that you could make.
@@markwillis614 do you need the $100 a year subscription to be able to use the r10 with awesome golf? Also do you use inside or outside?
@@augustin09s You do not need the subscription. You will have to purchase the Awesome Golf Software though (one-time $350 payment option is best bang for your buck). More than worth it though. The Garmin R10 is awesome, but the software it comes with is trash. Awesome Golf fixes that flaw with several different modes (some of the best game improvement ones on the market) and 4 9-hole courses. They are also very new so they are regularly adding updates (I'd assume 18 hole courses are next).
I use it outside (previously into a net and now into an impact screen). Haven't had any issues with it. It will read slight chunks a little short on distance when hitting on turf but has seemed to adjust when on the range.
I have the R10 and I use it outside and the distances for my longer irons/hybrids/woods are pretty junk. So much junk that I only play par 3 courses now to keep everything to low to mid irons. The R10 is really really good for those distances
Are you using the RCT balls?
The R10 has an issue with side spun and is why it shows the ball going in the opposite direction. I would like to see a video showing all data including swing and club face directions
Wow im impressed, glad i bought one
does any of them have attack angle or distance behind ball (low point)?
Off the subject but I REALLY wish you'd try out the srixon MKll zx4. LOVE your video's.
Does the Awesome Golf app add anything to outdoor use?
What are everyone’s thoughts one the r10 or do I wait for the Rapsodo?
Great review buddy
Great video! I have started using a piece of metal tape on a standard ball and it works pretty good!
2nd task I'm watching now 👍🏻👍🏻
Is there a cost for the Awesome Golf Assistant software using the range mode?
I'm mostly concerned about swing path and face to path numbers. In the video, prior to the change of the garmin, it didn't show the same lateral deviation to the left. After you made the adjustment, it was better, but still off target shots weren't similar. Would you say the garmin is still accurate with their swing path and face to path numbers, or do you think it isn't that accurate with those numbers? Also, how accurate are the numbers outdoors hitting into a net? I don't have enough space for indoors . Thanks!
I think it’s very good - outdoors it’s better even.
R10 looks amazing but it seems to be struggling with side spin data.
Good comparisons! Thank you! But can you provide the actual $$? There is the cost for the actual device, subscription to Garmin, and now there is an additional subscription for the Awesome Golf? How much will all of that cost?
Nice video showing the comparison. Since I don't have a big enough space at home to use a launch monitor, I just get the $150 membership at PGA Tour superstore where I can go hit balls everyday and use their equipment to check my numbers. The membership also gives me additional discounts and 30 free regrips each year.
Downsides are of course driving there and possibility of being tempted to buy new equipment everytime I am there.
Easy fix, Don't bring your wallet ;) haha
You sound like my buddy who took his Pitching wedge in for repair after breaking the shaft on course and he 'accidentally' bought a new driver! Lol 🤣😂🤣
Let's get this channel to 50k. I have really been enjoying your content and subscribed because of the quality of your videos. Keep it up! Thanks for all you do!
Much appreciated!
I find myself using the PRGR most of the time over my R10. Have not been lucky with accurate distances on R10 at the range. As far as Awesome golf, it’s like $350. Just not going to spend that type of $.
What is the impact of using a screen versus a net? I’ve heard this is a problem. Does Awesome Golf help this?
When you get the MLM2, I'll definitely check out your video because I'm always curious with new golf tech, but since I have only so much to spend I'll stick with my R10. Thanks, Gabe!
How much for software on R10. You failed to mention ?? Is it a one shot deal or subscription ??
Kina key info ??
Thanks brother !! Awesome info
It’s unfortunate that the spin axis is still an issue. I think it is great for the price with the carry and backspin numbers being pretty accurate. But I think I’ll be going for a Mevo Plus instead, seems to be a little more accurate on shot shape.
Justin, don't do it dog. The garmin r10 is amazing. I'm an assistant pro and I use this thing every single day. Mevo plus is a lot more clunky but do you
@@Gypsygolf Don't you find the spin axis to be off? I don't own an R10 but it seems every comparison to something like a GC4, the ball flight on a draw is almost never correct and most times ends up as a push. I would rather save the money and go with the R10, but the accuracy of shot shape from what I've seen makes me lean to the Mevo Plus.
I am only about halfway through this video, but I wanted to ask a question. Is there an improvement on spin numbers when using the RCT balls outdoors? I simply do not have enough space to set up an indoor range. But I have set one up outside. I love my R10 but one of my biggest complaints is the spin issue as it doesn't really track my side spin in regards to my slice issue. If this works I would be thrilled to pick up a couple of sleeves and give them a go. Also, thanks for this video.
There should be, yes
I just bought the r10 and it does a pretty good job. Ball flight is my worry. I was able to find my r10 as a open box for $450 and free shipping. Can’t get better than that, especially since it is in mint condition.
Question: have you used the R10 with a net? Just wondering whether it still captures data.
@@Biglou1478 Yes. I purchased a 7x10 ft net and it captures all the hits well. Haven’t had any problems with it
Can you send the link to this net please
@@Biglou1478 yep I use it with a net in my apartment and it captures all. Just make sure you have good lighting
One thing I learned with RCT balls, that trackman will let you know if it got the actual back spin or guesses the spin on the ball, if in italics then it is calculated versus actual. I'm curious if R10 or GC3 would let you know that, too.
Yes it’s the same process with the R10. Italics if calculated and regular font if measured. GC3 is always measured since it’s optical.
In the Garmin app if its guessing at spin it is in italics. I have used the metal tape trick and 9 out of 10 times it picks up the spin "correctly" . Awesome golf likes the metal tape too, but i dont think its app does the same thing the garmin app does. Only just started messing with Awesome golf
The Garmin app defaults to your local temp. so it was 48 degrees outside Sunday and the distances were def for 48 degrees.. The Awesome golf app showed more realistic distances.
So far the R10 and Awesome golf seem pretty good, that said if the mlm 2 pro is what i think its gonna be.. im gonna be sad i didnt wait
@@MrICURNVSr10 isn't 200 a year at least...
Back spin looks pretty good but the side spin remains an issue. On your 5i you had 27 yards of difference with Bushnell 17 yds left and R10 10 yards right. This is showing completely different shot shapes which will not help improve your golf at home. This was also same on driver as well (draw on bushnell vs fade with R10).
I've made the same experience. R10 has a clear tendency to the right.
@@PaulVischer Dont see that at all, you gotta be doing something wrong. I have mine in my buddies garage for winter sim golf and we play 1-2 times a week. Each session between pratice and play we avg 350-400 total shots. I can count on one hand how many i disagree with.
Disclaimer:::I only use Awesome for practice and E6 and awesome for rounds, havent used Garmin app hardly ever. Have R10 on leveling stand with laser pointer. Hit 9 1/2 from screen with R10 7 1/2 feet behind. Calibrate every time. Normal balls. Zero issues.
P.S. my buddy wishes it was right bias, then he wouldnt hit 90% left. 😂😂
Really thinking about pulling the trigger on the R10. But I can’t use it indoors…only outside, hitting into a net & I’m a little worried it’s not going to work correctly in that scenario, even with the RCT balls. Any suggestions or feedback would be greatly appreciated.
I have it outside and it’s not done well, thinking of returning it
How about hitting a draw, will the R10 show a draw? I have the R10 and the problem that I have (with a driver and using RCT ball) with it is that it pretty much goes straight - straight, straight -left or, straight right. No drawing flight like with the Foresight with the local golf store.
Just indoors? I use mine everyday indoors and out and it never has a problem reading draws
Good video. If you do get the Rapsodo 2, I'd be very grateful if you do a deep dive on what's NOT included in the premium package. I saw a few days ago that 'Rapsodo range' and spin were premium features, which would be incredibly disappointing if that was the case!
Absolutely will do. From what I have heard, it will have a range, but you will not get all the data or access or the high speed camera.
Bro if your club speed is over 127 mph is the Garmin accurate in ball speed, and distance ?
Have you tried the spin and distance on gs pro by chance? Gs pro for me always reads low spin unless I put a fade swing on it, spin will come up, but still low
I haven’t tried it unfortunately
Hey there - I just bought an R10 from Playbetter, I have its 6'6 from the ball with 8'6 of ball flight and anything below a 9 iron reads 10-50 yards off. For example, I hit a 7 iron about 160 carry, but it reads its between 90-130 carry. I cannot get it to read correctly I have tried absolutely everything and I'm about to return it. Do you have any recommendations before I go return it and spend a lot more money haha? Your results here are very promising i just wish I could replicate that.
Well, in addition to the steps, I mention in the video, make sure that your area is free of large metal objects or big patches of concrete. That often interferes with the readings. Hopefully you’ll get it fixed, good luck.
@@LetsPlayThru Yeah no metal or concrete, went through like 20 pages on google/youtube. I sent it back as I cannot get it to work properly. Thanks for the response!
Is the "awasome golf" app that you referring to in this videp a paid/subscription add-on? if yes does it add precision to the R10 when hitting balls on the range?
Yes it’s a paid subscription. Yes the accuracy is much better, it is really cheap and very much worth it.
Does the R10 have swing tempo?
It seems that there was a bigger gap the more club you took. Especially on the driver. Notice big deference on the roll. But for the money it was still impressive
Gabe, can you please do the same vid without awesome golf, so putting the native Garmin software up against your Bushnell? Here in Australia, a lifetime subscription to awesome golf is another $550. I bought the R10 thinking it would be accurate - I shouldn’t have to invest more in it if I don’t want to. You say Garmin have been making improvements - let’s see how they stack up!
Thanks mate
Even without awesome golf it’s definitely a huge improvement with the RCT balls. Can’t promise I can get a video out, but I can tell you from experience that it’s become very good with the software updates.
@@LetsPlayThru thanks Gabe
So my question is if a lefty is hitting are the shots still reporting like a nice draw or would it show the opposite? Need to grab a lefty guy to continue to test that spin axis
Can you test Rapsodo mlm 2 pro vs Garmin R10?
Nice review
Thanks!
Have you tested the Garmin R10 outdoors with a net? That seems to be an area of concern for would-be buyers, like myself.
Been seeing odd spin numbers with my R10 lately. I’ve had it for about a year but my swing and ball speed has also jumped quite a bit. 7 iron and up gets really low spin numbers (2000ish) which creates inaccurate carry. I use the e6 software though. I’ll have to try that app but I’d like to see if the RCT balls make a difference. Where do you get them?
Great video!
Thanks!
Could you putt some clubs data?? Path, AOA, Face….Thanks
Have a question. Would putting it under a lawn chair affect the accuracy of the garmin R10? I want to put something there so people don’t walk by and kick it. Or does it have to be clear of any metal , golf bag, etc around it?
Yes that would interfere and risk getting inaccurate readings
Thanks
How is it on accuracy on the clubs for outdoor use?
Very good IMO
Is there a difference in the 2021 and 2023 Titleist RCT balls?
Outside use RCT or any ball for the same/similar results?
Outside it was already accurate since it could see the ball for longer. I never had an issue with that.
@@LetsPlayThru sorry hitting into a net outside that should of included. I can’t afford to lose these balls after one shot lol
I just picked up one of these units for $400. I have an Eye Mini but don't think I'll ever take it to the range/on course so this will be my "mobile" LM. Thanks for the great video. Have you tried one of the laser alignment stands? Also, Awesome Golf had theirs way above the hitting surface on their video - like a foot up. Any idea why?
It looks like you had the Garmin R10/Awesome Golf set to 5 iron when you were hitting the driver. You forgot to tell it you were hitting driver; would that have an impact on the distance and spin accuracy?
It doesn’t really make a difference on the reads, it’s only if you want to keep track / gap your clubs.
I had the same issue in my garage but last night on the patio it was perfect
Garages can def be a bit tougher because there is concrete flooring and lots of metal that often interrupts the Doppler
Did voice caddie give you any time frame on the sc4?
I’m thinking April, but nothing is official that I know of
Can i ask why you dropped the ball speed off after the 9 iron? were you seeing big differences with the other clubs?
Good question, I legit had a power outage in the middle of making this video. Had to stop recording for 4 hours until it came back on. When it did I switched to 7 iron and just literally forgot to include that. Although the side by side screens should show it. It’s also why you don’t see side by side screens with the 9 iron, because that file got corrupted when the power went out. Crazy day.
@@LetsPlayThru thanks mate, I'm in the market for a launch monitor and had crossed the garmin off the list as a contender (thinking mevo+ or Skytrak) untill I watched this vid. I feel like the Garmin has the potential to be great, but can just as easily be way off depending on each time you set it up?
You video convinced me to pay for Awesome Golf.
Sir, where do we buy the RCT balls?
question, how far should you let the ball travel foward indoor , i see u have about 8-10 feet to the screen, but waht if it was closer?
Garmin recommends 8 feet to get an accurate depiction of the ball flight. With this type of system (Doppler based) you really need that.
so 7 back and 8 foward, like almost 20 feet total :( @@LetsPlayThru
@@josemalbran2815 I’ve had the R10 over a year now and as long as you calibrate it, keep it 7’ behind you with 7’ to the impact screen you’re good to go. 14’ needed, not 20
Does it have the ability to connect to a video monitor? Or is the phone your only recourse?
You could airplay to a monitor or even projector from an iPad or iPhone.
One of big reason to use launch monitor is ball fitting.
If launch monitor can not working with all balls that is issue.
Looks like the launch angle is very different.
No matter what distance I put it at and level ground. It flashes green and as soon as I take the club back it turns red and doesn’t register. At times I get it to register once per session. Not happy with this
I've never heard anyone say "firstly" so much. I didn't think it was a word but I looked it up and it is. Thank you for the English lesson.
I have the garmin for about a year now and i have to say i am pretty disappointed with it. i use it at the driving range, so i can see the ball flight and the garmin is very often showing wrong flight curves. Even worse is when it shows something like path 2 deg right, face to path 2 deg left, real ball flight is a nice draw, but the spin axis is displayed as 450 rpm right and the garmin shows a fade or even slice curve. like, wtf. Just makes me not trust anything the garmin shows me, so frustrating.