When Cruyff got to Barcelona, he wanted to register his son as Jordi, the patron saint of Barcelona. It was denied because Jordi was a Catalan name, they wanted to change it to Jorge. Cruyff flew to Amsterdam, had his son registered as Jordi and the Catalans loved it.
Jordi Cruyff who was born in Amsterdam? really? wow, Franco was really powerful, he even controlled Netherlands civil registry. Barcelona PR bullshit about Franco when they were one of the most benefited teams, (saved from bankruptcy by Fascist regime) is amazing, now you can understand that many Catalans believe all that bullshit because the Catalan radical nationalism is controlling education in Catalonia... but please, can you you explain to me how you foreigns are that naive to believe all that bullshit?
Are you seriously upset by the little Athletic ads at the very end of videos? The ones you can turn off immediately without missing out on any content?
Quite a few details missed out here. The city of Barcelona fell to Franco’s regime before Madrid did. With Sunyol (Barca’s President) assassinated not in Barcelona but at the front line, in the Sierra de Guadarrama; North West of Madrid.
Maybe Ivica Osim would be an intresting Person to talk about. The Last Coach of the last yugoslavian Team wich could have won the in 1992. A guy Who is respected on the Balcan by all Nations for his football and his approuche to peace
Yeah, they did win the qualification group in front of Denmark, but because of the civil war and the dissolution of Yugoslavia, we got the ticket instead, and ended up going all the way, though we technically didn't even qualify.
@@zaszarathustra2258 yeah it is leterally crazy😂 I know him because of the war he wanted to stay close to his Family so instead of coaching a big Club he came to Austria and had greate success with my hometown Club.
I urge ANYONE who hasn’t, to read Fear And Loathing in La Liga : Barcelona VS Real Madrid. It gives the best insight into all of this with a very objective view 👌🏻
0:33 The civil war didn't end on the 10th of February when Barcelona fell to the francoist side. Madrid resisted until the 28th of March 1939 together with much of the southeastern Spain.
Exactly. This false narrative the English media are trying to portray to sell our rivalry is ridiculous. Now even historical facts are going out the window. I guess our grandparents were fighting for nothing in Madrid. They were being starved for no reason. Franco was in Madrid handing out food on golden plates for everyone. This is absurd.
When Barcelona felt there was no chance to win the war so technically civil war was ended. Spanish government was in Barcelona in that moment so Madrid was just waiting for surrender. The history of Real Madrid has been built as part of the Franco's regime propaganda started nearly 60's. Santiago Bernabeu was part of the regime and awarded with the presidency when taking part of the siege of Catalonia with the Fascist Legion.
@@billycorgan3934 What are you talking about? The government of Juan Negrin, descendent of the elected governement of 1936 was in Madrid, which is understandable because it's the capital of Spain. The war ended after Casado's coup against Negrin and the occupation of Madrid Valencia and all the rest by Franco. And what kind of argument is it that because the situation for the republicans was desperate after the fall of Catalonia we can consider the war over. Have you ever seen anyone say that D-day is the day WW2 ended, and the foreign governments of allied occupied Germany started their reign? No, obviously. The guys at Tifo Football made a factual mistake, which is fine, I just pointed it out. But the fact that people who have no idea about the history of the civil war would try to defend that is exasperating
@@billycorgan3934 Also Santiago Bernabeu became the president of Real Madrid in 1943, not during the offensive of Catalonia in 1939 (offensive, not siege. There's a difference). Jesus Christ can you be more wrong in 3 sentences
Why do youth teams occasionally have unpredictable winners(If you were to compare it to the actual World Cup)? For example in the finals of the last few u20 World cups: Ukraine 3-1 Republic Of Korea England 1-0 Venezuela Brazil 1-2 Serbia For example
@@DPAE-xc4ph They even reached the final of the u17 wc in Chile. But somehow they have made much of an impact in other competitions. Same with Serbia and Venezuela.
Too many things left unsaid. Like Atletico Aviacion, the Republican presidents of Real Madrid before the Civil War and the amount of titles won by each team during those decades, which clearly shows that Real Madrid being Franco's team is not that simple
Tifo I’d like you to do a video on the Hillsborough disaster maybe to inform some of the things what happened to people so they get a true understanding of it a lot of people on Twitter don’t take it serious anymore and think it’s ok to make jokes about it, also maybe talk about Margaret Thatcher and the suns involvement in it also. It is the anniversary today JF96
@@B4kerG In what way is it a "horrible idea"? It is the anniversary of the event for one, and it's one of the most tragic days in football history. Many football fans today are I'll informed on the topic and a video explaining it here would be great.
So much more to cover in this. The writing of Alejandro Quiroga would be useful as you’ve took maybe two quotes and just used general thoughts as your points. Franco had influence on the national side as well as how the channels reported the teams. When Spain beat the USSR Barca players involved in the goals were edited out of the highlights where possible.
Do you mean Jesus Pereda's goal in the 1964 European Nations Cup? Can you give me a source on this. I want to read about it but I'm bad at googleing stuff and I can't find anything
It's not true. Franco made flim about barca's legend kubala. Franco’s government wanted to utilize Kubala’s status as a refugee from one of the URSS satellite countries to reinforce the regime’s validity, thus helping Kubala obtain Spanish citizenship without delay.[9] In the midst of the Cold War, Kubala's escape to the West was used as propaganda by Franco's government and was made into a successful film The Stars Search for Peace which saw Kubala and Samitier playing themselves.
He was a Atletico Madrid fan and then he realized they were not that good and switched to Real Madrid. It Franco that used Madrid not the other way around besides Real Madrid was the last team that he supported because the other Madrid teams were bad.
Mohammed Shuaib yeah rm got a huge leg up from francos support.rm might have already have been in the ascendancy and might not have specifically sought his support but when he did get behind them that came at the expense of every other team in Spain. As I see it taking the help of a fascist dictator makes them complicit in his reign by permitting franco to use their newly acquired prestige for legitimacy amongst European countries. That kinda thing makes me dislike rm.
One has to ask why didn't "franco's team" attain any real success in the 40s which were the hardest years of francoism. Rm almost went down in the 40s. The moniker was RM had a second division side with a first division stadium.
Great timing guys! I'm Currently reading Sid Lowe's "Fear and Loathing in La Liga" I'd recommend it to everyone who is interested in the football history books in general. If I quote the Authors note "this book is about the episodes that have shaped the rivalry and made Real Madrid and FC Barcelona what they are and about the human stories behind them. This is their story."
Just read that a few weeks ago. Very interesting book, and doesn't really take one side, but rather gives you information from which to draw conclusions.
Nobody: Barca and Madrid fans: arguing about this type of shit when 95% of them in the comments have no actual connection to the spanish civil war or any family roots in Spain.
Interestingly, Paulino Alcántara, a Barcelona legend who was from the Philippines, was arguably Barcelona’s best player pre-Cruyff and was Barcelona’s top scorer until Messi. However, at the breakout of the civil war in Spain, he retired from football and fought under Franco, even becoming a high ranking officer.
Ironically Barcelona had one of their most successful period of domestic success when Franco was in power. They won 8 La Liga titles and 9 Copas del Rey during his rule.
Franco was in power for almost 40 years and Real Madrid outnumbered the trophies won. But hey, in almost 40 Barça won 8 titles so they must be wrong, even after the whole board being killed by a firing squad, forcing the club to change its name, forcing the club to not use Catalan symbols or language, forbidding Barça fans to gather on the streets or club's buildings with the exception of the stadium in match days, the Di Stefano transfer, the 11-1. This is all a product of pure imagination, right?
Try getting a histroic team with a very nice ground and team like stuttgart from the 2nd division to the champions league and stuff. Me myself I am playing a player career mode in the pro camera (little difficult but if you get used to it is really nice) as an LM where I started with Stuttgart moved to Bayern won 2 trebles in 6 years and now moved to Hamburg... Just giving ideas 😂
@@54356776 exactly but it also needs to be a kinda big club like hamburg or stuttgart that i've mentioned because I find it a bit ugly taking really small clubs to champions league and stuff
Tifo, you forgot to mentioned that Franco saved FC Barcelona from financial ruin in 1965. Moreover, this move earned him an "honorary socio" title at the Barcelona in addition to countless honorary medals thereafter.
At that point Barcelona was "hostage" of Franco's government after Josep Sunyol was killed and a commission chosen by Franco was assigned to preside over the club.
@Stats 05 Not really for both of your comments. Taking control of the club and helping it was a good way to show goodwill to the region and "pacify" them (or at least not to give them another reason to revolt). Also Barcelona was better than RM before the civil war- if the government just wanted to pick the best team, Real wasn't the prime choice, but it was the best team in the capital thus easiest to control.
nonsense. If it had not been for the efforts of Paddy O'Connell when Barca were more or less black listed (he organized friendlies in South america which basically saved barca from financial ruin) then there wouldn't of been a club to help in 1965.
Sid Lowe made a really interesting comment in the copa 90 video on this about how the history is complicated and you can point to Francoists in Barcelona and left wingers in Real Madrid to dispute it or reinforce it, but that ultimately both clubs want us to keep talking about it because it funnels attention towards them and away from the other 18 teams in la Liga making it seem like Spanish football is just all about el Classico
Yup this is exactly what the correct take is. Coming from a lifelong Barcelona fan, el clásico hasn’t had the same meaning or feeling since the late 90s. It seems much more like a cash grab for foreign fans to enjoy rather than the most legendary rivalry in football.
@@josea1707Being a Spanish born in the mid 90s, and having lived the rivalry since I was a kid (by the way I'm neither from Madrid nor Barcelona/Catalunya) I'm curious, what was the meaning and the feeling the match used to have? Here in my city there are lots of both Madrid and Barça fans. Not a huge difference between them really. Quite a heterogeneus crowd in both sides. It's true there's this prejudice about madridistas being more "fachas", which sometimes it's true.
@@MGdelOeste I mean once elephante blu took over barca, they (with florentino) made el clasico more of a spectacle for the profit. This was made even worse by the ronaldo/messi rivalry when el clasico became the game to watch the two best in the world play against each other rather than the most passionate game in spanish club football. Florentino's galacticos felt more foreign than the madrid teams from before and that also added to it with barca and other clubs in europe having more and more foreign players and big name talents.
Im surprised you guys forgot this, but you didn't mention the stories of Franco restricting La Liga to domestic players only while naturalizing any foreigner signed by Rèal
@@darahensey6932 he's talking about South American players. They had to prove they had Spanish ancestors to let them play during 60s 70s and there was a big issue because many players got fake documents, they were pretending to be Spanish legitimate players when they weren't. Barça reported because he got Heredia denied when other clubs had illegal players
Imagine comparing 6-1 to 11-1. 6-1 also resulted through fortunate circumstances. There's no way as mentioned, that the 11-1 took place without any external influences.
@@devilfriend imagine comparing refs to an oppresive regime which suppressed the catalan and basquae people to the point that it made their languages illegal.
Point number 1: it has never been proved that a men of franco visited barcelona's squad before de 11-1, eventhough, it is true that everybody that was in that game said that the fans were very hostile, throwing things to the players and the barcelona's keeper actually had to leave the goal because of the things people were throwing, allowing real madrid to score more goals. Point number 2: Franco was never in real madrid games, just in the important ones, in order to raise concern about spain, using its success to expand spain's name. Point number 3: it has been said for years as you said that franco's team was real madrid, but that is not true whatsoever, in the spanish civil war the two strategical places where madrid and cataluña, when the national side won madrid the war was almost over, and winning cataluña was the last thing, but not the detonant. Franco's team was always said to be, by people close to him, his birthplace team racing club de ferrol, now in the 3rd spanish division, and the one that he supported if you had to pick one of the big ones was "Atlético Aviación", this team was financially supoorted by the regime, the club would change its standards, stop receiving money from franco and changed the name, known nowadays as atlético de madrid. Point number 4: real madrid crossed blue band in the badge was initially purple, color used by the spanish republic on their flag and color aknoledged to the republic. It is just a rumor the fact that they used it in favor of the republic, and they changed it to blue in 1941, adding the crown because of the regime. Point 5: and last, but definitely not least, fc Barcelona was saved from bankruptct by franco. In the 50s, barcelona was growing as a club, and they needed a bigger stadium than "Les corts", they proceeded then to the construction of the camp nou. Nonetheless, the spanish club had a debt of over 200million because of the construction. It was then when Franco requalified the land where they intended to build it. That land was reserved to parks, gardens and other things than stadiums. With this requalification barcelona solved their debt, built the camp nou and didnt disappear. In conclusion, in the light of the information mentioned above, omitted mostly over the video, it should be considered that franco was never from real madrid, and did never help them to achieve nothing, otherwise, he used them to enhance the name of spain internationally.
This is far from the general opinion. Anyway, why on earth would Barca lose 11-0. It's impossible, esp. after the first leg. Very suspicious, don't you think. Methinks you protest too much.
@@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633 yes because of the actions of madrid supporters who threw objects at barcelona players so that madrid players could score 11 goals against barcelona after all, if the franco regime supported madrid why did they lose in the final and bilbao won at that time?
Nonsense. I read a whole book on this. Real Madrid was Franco's team. No argument. Another example, in addition to the 11-1 win was that Di Stefano wanted to register for Barca, he was herded toward Real.
Ligas won by Barcelona from 1939 to 1954: 5 Ligas won by Madrid from 1939 to 1954: 0 I am a Betis supporter but saying that Real Madrid had advantage is nonsense.
Can you do a video on Kaizer Motaung? And the emergence of Kaizer Chiefs, creating a fierce rivalry with Orlando Pirates, and the impact Apartheid had on football in South Africa?
Franco saved Barcelona from going bankrupt and helped financing the Camp Nou. Also, he intervened when Madrid was about to sign Kubala and he finally signed for Barcelona. Just a couple of things worth mentioning as well.
That was just a cover of what happened in the past lol franco sent italians planes to bomb barcelona , they assasinated barca president Sunyol, Madrid cheated on Di stefano transfert to get him from barcelona when every thing was already dealed
@@brandonsomo6200 well for politics perhaps, but in football if Franco didnt help Barça from bankruptcy, they would probably disband, and gone for good, can't deny he help them in football aspects.
The Di Stefano's Madrid - Barcelona affair changed the history of football, undoubtedly. Before that moment, Real Madrid only won 2 titles in 14 years since dictatorship began. Once Di Stefano arrived to Madrid, they started to win trophies wildly: they won the 1953 league 20 years after their last spanish league & in 1955 the Real Madrid's chairman created the european champions cup for first time, with Di Stefano in his prime. I don't want to talk about politic here, because the spanish issue is very deep, but the presence of Franco was obviously crucial for these countries that fighted to keep their language and traditions alive, as Catalonia or Pays Basque. You can check, for example, how Franco's army killed the chairman Josep Sunyol in 1936 or put Marqués de la Mesa de Asta, related to regime, as a Chairman of FCB in 1940 in order to control Catalonia throught the football. As Mussolini did with Italia in 1934/1938, football was used in Spain with the same intentions, and as a dictator, you prefer to boost a team that reflect the regime's ideas, and show Europe how strong you are winning european cups.
Real Madrid did not win a single league title during the first 18 years of Franco's regime (1936-1954). Also by the end of his reign in 1975, RM only had one more national title than Barcelona (21-20). That's some weak favoritism if you ask me
@@alexfreedom3084 The ONLY title named after Franco is the Copa del Generalísimo [currently Copa del Rey] and it was won by Barca [9] times 3 more than RM [6]
Yeah, that's smart. Comparing titles won outside of Franco's reign to the ones in it. Fact is that Madrid won the league title 14 times during Franco's reign compared to only 8 times for Barcelona. Also, if you factor in the Di Stefano transfer, which was clearly down to a Franco appointed minister, then it's still 14 titles for Madrid during Franco's reign but only 3 for Barcelona.
@outlawfly Kind of funny how you have to come in and make insults while completely getting the facts wrong. First, FIFA backed Barcelona's deal with River Plate. At the time, regardless of where Di Stefano was playing, the player had a contract with River Plate until 1954. Barça agreed a deal with River Plate and Di Stefano moved to Spain before 1954. Again, FIFA backed that deal. Second, the deal was blocked in Spain by the Spanish Federation. In White Storm: 101 Years of Real Madrid, Phil Ball writes on page 108 "Unfortunately, FIFA had given their blessing to Barça's deal, so in a sudden flurry of legislation in the Spanish Federation, General Moscard' passed a law banning the further importation of foreign players - effectively blocking any chance of Di Stefano officially turning out for the Catalans." Who was General Moscardo'? Well to quote Ball again, page 96, he was "one of Franco's wartime thugs now promoted to the unlikely position of National Delegate of Sport." Third, to further establish the relationship between Madrid and Franco, when General Moscardo' was appointed, this is what Santiago Bernabeu put in a telegram to Moscardo': "It is with honor that I fulfill my first act as president of this club, sending this message of greeting to our illustrious head of sport and heroic soldier of the fatherland..." I won't even go into the fascist element there. To quote Ball again to put this telegram into context, page 97, "The message could not have been clearer. Bernabeu was using the occasion to establish his club's new Francoist credentials, to break ties with any vestiges of its Republican past and invite Moscardo' to join the party" Now this was in 1944, close to ten years before the Di Stefano transfer which Moscardo' blocked initially because the player was headed for Barcelona. Fourth, few people know that Di Stefano actually played a few friendlies for Barcelona. Di Stefano himself years later denied that there was an agreement in place for both clubs to share the player. After having already played for Barcelona, Saporta who was Bernabeu's right-hand man, according to Ball, page 108, slipped Di Stefano "a bulky envelope with a decent amount of pesatas inside and a rough-draft contract, indicating the sort of money they were contemplating paying to him. Fifth, the claim that Franco's henchmen visited the dressing room makes a lot of sense. For starters, the first leg of that tie was a 3-0 win to Barcelona. So an 11-1 loss in the next leg is highly unlikely much less on the face of it in general. Furthermore, let's provide some more context here. In that first leg 3-0 for Barcelona two of the Madrid players, played quite dirty. One of left his stud imprint on the chest of Barcelona's captain. As a result the crowd in Barcelona booed Madrid. Well after the match Eduardo Teus, a former Madrid goalkeeper who at the time was writing for the pro-Madrid (to this day in fact) publication AS, wrote that the booing "the representatives of Spain" meaning the government itself. Low and behold what happens before the 11-1 second leg? The Barça players were treated to a visit from the Director of State Security, Jose' Finat y Escriva de Romani, the count of Mayalde, where he reminded them that "they were only playing as result of the generosity of the regime that had forgiven their lack of patriotism." Page 95 of the same book which also cites Jimmy Burns' Barça: A People's Passion which I too have read. As for the final against Bilbao, do you homework. There's a story there as well. Sixth, as for the trophies, as I already said in the comments here, Madrid won 14 league titles during Franco's time to Barça's 8. Factor in when the trophies were won for even more context, like how many after the Di Stefano transfer and the fact that the regime surely had other focuses in the 1940s. Finally, as for Kubala he was bound for a train for Madrid. I'll let you try and figure out the importance of that bit, but I won't hold my breath on that happening. Anyway, try getting your facts straight since you're very clearly wrong about your club's history which so benefited from it's ties to a Fascist dictator such that it otherwise surely wouldn't even closely resemble the club that it is today.
@outlawflyI completely refuted many of your points which in fact weren't correct to begin with. Also, they aren't "accusations", they're facts. Biased statements? The main author I cited, who has multiple books on Spanish football including the definitive one, is a self-proclaimed Madrid "fan" after writing the book I referenced. Cherry-picked? Do you want me to post the entire book? At the end of the day you posted a bunch of false statements, insulted me in the process and then came back with this latest weak reply. Little wonder you're a Madrid support only too happy to ignore your club's true history.
When you break it down to facts this seems pretty much a myth to me. Below, see the domestic honours of both clubs (La Liga and Cup) during the period (1939-1975) then make your own mind up. Real Madrid: 20 Barcelona: 17
Please look at the Liga’s history first: Franco took the power on 1939. Since then to 1954 (15 years!) Real Madrid did no get any Liga (0). Barcelona got 5, At. Madrid got 4 y At. Bilbao got 2. Franco did not like Real at that time. These are facts not lies from Barcelona. Real Madrid became a leader thanks to Santiago Bernabéu, who had the ability to build a modern club by convincing international stars to come Madrid to make an incredible team. Once Real became Europe’s king, Franco realised that was a chance to improve International image of Spain.
Of course you say so liar, but also remember that Franco's troops killed Xusep Suñol, a former president of FC Barcelona, additionally it is well known that there was a dark hand that stole Di Stefano from Barcelona. It was a disgraceful intervention and Madrid has always been helped, they are the only club in Champions League to play the competition without winning their local League last year and they even could choose their rivals. Madrid is a dirty corrupt club, they make me puke.
This video does not correspond to the truth, many details are missing. The story is only told from Barcas ponit of view. Franco was a honorary memeber of Barca. His government financed the Camp Nou, he also saved Barca from bankruptcy 3 times.
if Franco was alive in 2010, he would got heart attack when he read the Spain's line up. Midfielders were Xabi Alonso (Basque), Sergio Busquets (Catalan), Xavi (Catalan), Iniesta (Catalan)
Franco or not , "Big Clubs" like Real Madrid and others always had advantage over small clubs with weak infrastructure and low budgets to buy these 5 star rated football players.
What has that got to with the video?..this was in the 40s before they even signed di stefano...they werent the big club they are now.. Real never won a european cup until 1955, two years after they got di stefano
Atlético Aviación was the team of the army. Later on turned into Atlético de Madrid. Real Madrid was never the team of the regime. Santiago Bernabéu did not stand fascists. The Spanish Civil War was not Spain vs Catalonia as some may think... It was Republicans vs Fascists. There were republicans and fascists in Catalonia and the rest of the regions of Spain. Madrid was the last city captured by the fascist army. Barcelona won more Copas del Generalísimo (current Copa de Rey) than Real Madrid. If Franco favoured Real Madrid why Barcelona won more Cups than Real Madrid during the dictatorship? Franco himself handed the Cup to the winner of Copa del Generalísimo. Di Stefano belonged to River Plate and Millonarios. Barcelona reached a deal with River Plate, and Real Madrid with Millonarios. The FIFA took a Solomonic decision. He would play one year for each club. Barcelona prefered to sell their rights instead of "sharing" Di Stefano with Real Madrid. Kubala played for Barcelona because Franco helped them to sign him. He later used Kubala as anti-communist propaganda. Franco helped Barcelona when the club was bankrupt in 1951 and 1965. Franco also helped Barcelona to build Palau Blaugrana and Palacio de Hielo. He was named President of honor of both buildings. Franco was also awarded with FC Barcelona's gold medal for his benevolence towards the club. These are facts, not gossip.
Franco directly saved Barcelona from a total bankrupt revaluing their field for nothing just to save them. Also Barcelona win more national titles between leagues and cups during Franco's regime. When the war ended most of the regime more relevant personalities were direct supporters of Atlético de Aviación (old name of Atlético de Madrid). Millan-Astray a famous person in Franco's regime wanted to kill the famous Real Madrid president Santiago Bernabéu after he denies him to went to the stadium after a bad behaviour with a woman. Saddly Franco died on his bed and there weren't something like a team against the regime, Franco was cheered in Barcelona streets, same as in Madrid, Bilbao or Seville, everywhere, and every team due to the fear. Also the fact is that Madrid city fight 3 years against Franco with the Republican elites running to Valencia, with the famous phrase "No pasarán". These are facts that foreign people don't know, the history of Madrid as Franco's team was made by Barcelona during their early success to discredit the old European cups of Real Madrid, yes, Europe where Franco hadn't any power, there was were Madrid made the difference between us and Barcelona. Also in Di Stefano's case as Madrid bought the part of Millonarios and Barcelona the part of River Plate, the official solution was that he will play one year in Madrid and the other in Barcelona but Barcelona refuses and sold his part, but for example when signing Kubala (the main star of Barcelona in the 50s and a true football legend) Madrid also were there and in that case the solution were in favour of Barcelona. Everyone can check this facts (maybe you'll need to know some Spanish for some of them).
True, history has been manipulated by Catalans as always by their oligarchy to create their ficticial and historical nosense state. They've manipulated historical archives from Valencia etc. It's not Catalan people fault by they have a strong nationalist propaganda that tends to victimice them always, I think it's kind of sad when the city of Barcelona was built with every Spaniard money during the Olympic Games and the Expos...
True, they start that false narrative since their early success, first to discredit Madrid old titles and second to victimize themselves so they could make independist propaganda around Europe while their golden generation (Messi, Xavi, Iniesta etc.) Sad, politics should be apart in football.
@@hervas4523 Yeah, same case, Di Stefano was the best player in his era and an Argentinian that brings glory to Madrid and his team was used by Franco to wash his image in Europe, same as Catalan government did with Barcelona and Messi best player in his era and also an Argentinian who brings glory to Barcelona.
Franco used Real Madrid to keep his popularity as high as possible. Just as any politician does now. Is insane to think Franco had any influence in Real Madrid’s success. Taking into considerarion the bad relationship the regime had with the rest of europe, he was an obstacle more than anything.
yes lets not mention the fact that fact that Franco saved them from bankruptcy in the 50's and had the biggest stadium in Europe built for them, also during the regime they were able to sign players like Kubala and Cruyff, lets also not forget that Barcelona are the only club in Spain to award Franco with two medals.
@@General_Skywalker2219 No he didn't The whole transfer saga was delt by FIFA To put it as simply as possible Di Stefano had a contract with two separate teams And those two separate teams sold Di Stefano independently to Real and Barca But then the question arose of who was the actual owner of Di Stefano and who's transfer is valid It's something even FiFA couldn't fully decide So the proposed he play half a season for each team for 3 years The he would be full RM player,since that transfer was sewn as more valid But Barcelona disagreed,and where payed money by RM for releasing there rights to the player It's as simple as that Stop dragging Franco into everything People act like the guy was fully devoted to RM, it's not like the guy had a country to run or anything
FC Barcelona and Real Madrid CF have been always used by politicians and governors ( dictators or non dictators) in their own interests . For instance , Real Madrid was forced to remove the name "Real" from its name during the II Republic . Franco took advantage of course of Real Madrid because he saw that Real Madrid was the best team at the end of the 50s , but he would have done the same with FC Barcelona /Atletico de Madrid/Athletic Club if that was the case . Franco just needed something to show Spain to the rest of the world and to reaffirm his regime in Spain . In fact , during his dictatorship , Athletic Club was the most popular team in Spain because there were no foreigners playing in it and that was something applauded by the regime . But this is more than 50 years ago and the sad thing is that even today some politicians still use these 2 teams to earn votes .
This video i super biased. Cant believe how a great chanel like tifo football is capable of introducing information so evidently false as Franco saved FC Barcelona from bankruptcy and the leader of la Legion (Franco’s right hand), Millan-Astray openly supported Atletico de Madrid.
MY PERSPECTIVE AS A MADRID NATIVE. I’m from Madrid and I can assure you most of the accusations of supposed favoritism towards Real Madrid are based on little to no evidence. Real Madrid had been the most successful team in Spain for years! Even during the Republic. What people got to understand is that success is the main of our values. It’s always been. Madrid’s always looking for the best players, and making the best economic decisions and gets along with the authorities and Madrids citizens. Sometimes you see players that come to Real as stars and struggle to get individual success due to the insane level of expectations from the fans, coaches, etc. We’re a team that’s used to win and failure is not an option. It’s hard for us the fans to see players struggle at Madrid and not get the recognition they deserve given the fact that we all know how good they are. Those core values simply aren’t present on most football teams, inside or outside of Spain. The partners represent what the club is and it’s mindset is usually passed down from generation to generation. So it’s no coincidence that Madrid is the most successful football team ever in history, let alone Spain, and it’s also no coincidence that the success brings up a lot of made up accusations, even today, most with no basis whatsoever, even though only during a few years the team was influenced by Franco’s regime.
Again man TIFO has not even a been day since I made my last statement praising ur moves lately. Thank you for this one even tho u probably started a few arguments. Great videos!
There was a similar story in Portugal with Benfica and Salazar (a dictator). Basically he wanted Benfica to be a great club so it could gather prestige and reputation for Portugal in European competitions. It wasn't uncommon for Benfica games to last until they scored the winning goal: even if the game had more 2 hours of injury time! (usually the ref would start giving up red cards to the other team)
That is because how good Barca was. Barca was miles ahead of Madrid in sporting aspects. Ofcourse Barca will not all of a sudden forget playing. It takes a long time to bring such a huge club down.
@@saviobenitez4710 Athletic Bilbao was the best team during those 13 years, so that isn't even true, Atletico Madrid, Valencia, Ath Bilbao, Barcelona and Sevilla all won La Liga before Real Madrid.
Barca fans emotional investment impairs their perception to such a degree that they seek opinions such as theirs to validate their beliefs. Franco was in war for 4 years with the people of Madrid, and he cleared all the debts of Barca helping them build the infrastructure of their stadium too. History is so much modified in our days, by people who just want to push their narative forward
Brilliant video. Great content. The nuance is on a different level. I wanted to add that the assassination of Barcelona's president, Josep Sunyol, came when he crossed over from the republican to the nationalist side in Madrid, and the Real Madrid president himself at the time, Rafael Guerra, who rejected Franco was exiled to France. I urge all to read Sid Lowe's book mentioned in the video "Fear and Loathing in La Liga". As a Madrid fan for 20 years and a staunch antifascist, it had me in tears. The fact that there were nationalist and republican areas in Madrid reflected on the fact that the biggest battles of the civil war in Spain were in Madrid. There was less fighting in other areas which also acted as places of refuge, not just fighting. Vicente Del Bosque's parents were left-wing trade unionists and his father was imprisoned for 3 years in one of Franco's prison camps. Just a small titbit in Sid's great book.
This is strongly biased, I would not recommend it to anyone who want to learn about this topic. Incorrect facts, relevant facts omitted, and lots of misinformation.
In the 3-0 story they left out how the referee under the pressure of the huge crowd of Les Cortes that was never seen before, my dad who lived in that era told me the story, they made alot dubious decisions that marked the game in Barcelona's favour. Read the papers of the era and what they say and some of the comments of the players concerning that game. The fans showed up on Chamartín with whissels in protest of what had gone down in that first match. This video is well done but shows very little insight on the subject, they don't mention how Franco wiped clean Barcelona's large debt they had for the construction of Camp Nou, which left them on the verge of bankruptcy, as well as how he appointed all the directors of all the clubs on Spain, including Barcelona not only Madrid. How before DiStefano, Franco arranged the paper work to nationalize (something unheard of at that time) Kubala so Barcelona could sign the best player in the world at the moment. How it took Madrid 15 years since his take of power to win the first domestic trophy, how he dismantled the RM team claiming the players were from the red side of the conflict. In his years of power Barcelona won more national trophies than RM, which proves that he didn't favor RM, a man with his strong hold of the country wouldn't have done such a bad job if that was the case. Also how Barcelona commemorated him not once but twice with their gold medal of Honor, one awarded as late as 1971, and which he held until only a few years ago. RM were lucky the European Cup came into play because Franco could not manipulate in European soil because Franco at that moment was favoring teams like Barcelona and Bilbao using them as a propaganda tool to keep those conflict zones somewhat happy and controled. When RM started winning in Europe he obviously took advantage of the media that came with it and used it to his favor. He also didn't come into play with the DiStefano signing, that was arbitrated by a FiFa. Barcelona pulled back because they had wanted DiStefano as a replacement for Kubala who had contracted Tuberculosis, and they thought he would never be able to play again, but once recovered, and after a bad year from DiStefano they pulled out. We have to understand the situation lived on that era no one could oppose Franco, but that doesn't change the fact that history shows that Franco didn't favour RM over Barcelona.
Every regime uses football (and other sports) to their benefit... What I find impossible to explain from Franco's influence conspiracy theories is how Real Madrid won 5 European Cups in a row. I can't see how Franco would influence the rest of european football federations and institutions in order to get that amazing achievement. I'd say even more, simply by watching that team playing, everyone would realize that they were the best team. Besides, Franco's regime supported Catalonia and Basque Country, the regime made possible for those regions to develop economically and that's why they're the 2 richer spanish regions now. Nationalists of course have another discourse, but after all, Camp Nou was built thanks to Franco. So, what did the dictator was just taking political advantage from football, he knew it was the most effective opium of the people, and he tried to push it specially on the most important and populated regions of Spain. There's nothing misterious or conpiranoic about that, it's classic politics there
You're just the typical Fascist so... It's simply. You ignore the European campaign launched by Delegación Nacional de Deportes on 1956 which Real Madrid was part of that propaganda as Benfica did in Portugal. Real Madrid was the European Cup founder. And the Spanish Association was the most(and still) important at the time at Uefa. Just see all irregularities happened during that European Cup editions. Before the robbery of Di Stéfano Real was a decadent team on Bernabeu's management. Its only when the Regime intervined on Di Alfredo robbery when they started to win and regime swapped Atlético to support Real. Its so Fascist to say Catalonia and Basque were supported by Franco since The Spanish Republic government moved to Barcelona during the war... And they are not rich thanks to Franco. They became richer when the Industrial revolution centuries ago but Fascists like you are ignorants and liars. It's all the time your narrative the Franchoist crap. Camp Nou was built with the members funds not like Bernabeu stadium paid with public funds as it was conceived as a National stadium.
@@billycorgan3934 You're as d**b as it possibly somebody can be. The prove is that you come here calling fascist to everybody and speaking nonsense about the influence of Real Madrid and Franco in european football and the myth of Di Stefano robbery. You don't understand anything. Di Stefano wasn't robbed, he was an employee of Millonarios. There's nothing more to say. The player rights belonged to Millonarios, Barcelona made a mistake asking to River Plate. Di Stefano wasn't a River Plate player. It's not that difficult to understand, it's kindergarten level. You get it? the guy was property of a colombian club named Millonarios de Bogotá. End of story... and then you started to talk rubbish about the narrative of francoist crap and all. First of all, the 'narrative' is called History and it's not a tale narrated. Secondly, it's not a tale told because there's documents, proofs regarding that issue. Catalonia region was economically important and Franco and his regime pushed economics there because it was the rational thing to do. That includes promoting good relationships with local burgueoisie and, amongst other issues, pushing football, so Francoist regime procceed to built Nou Camp. You understand now? It's a FACT, it's not debatable... And you can keep to yourself your "narrative" and all that post-modern crap language, and start to study History a little...
Don't care what anyone says. They were the 1st club to offer help after the munich air disaster to United. Read : A Tale of Two Cities: Manchester United & Real Madrid 1957-1968. They even offered to loan Di Stefano to us for a season. Always have a soft spot for Real Madrid except for whenever they play us.
You couldn't be more wrong. Franco team was Atlético Aviación (now Atlético de Madrid), but it is true that Franco like any other politic tried to make other's victories his victories and tried to use real madrid for propaganda. Also, wasn't Barcelona the last stand against Franco in the civil war, neither Basque country, it was actually Madrid, and Madrid suffered more deaths by the fascists that any other region in Spain. Sport and rivalry between Real Madrid and Barcelona have been there for ever, but it is just sport rivalry. Politicians are using these teams for propaganda, even changing the real history of the events. And many people, like you Tifo Football, had fallen into that a of lies and believed the story you just told in this video. These are probably the best teams in the world, and given many of the most exciting matches in the football history, let them just play and enjoy watching them play, don't mix sport and politics, but if you do check first.
The Barcelona president Laporta accused the same few years ago, and the Real Madrid's reply was a long video containing multiple footages of the Catalans and Franco, Barcelona and Laporta had been real quiet after this After the super league and all Real Madrid is the most hated club by UEFA and there are still people who thinks Uefa support Real Madrid They've got no other logic to explain why Real Madrid achieved this much success, they wish to believe themselves these stories are real because of their jealousy
Saying that fans still see El El Clásico as a fight between Spanish centralism and regionalism is a reasoning too adventurous. Maintaining that RM has always been the favorite of governors is even more foolhardy. By the way, it’s well known in Spain that FCB was saved from bankrupt by Franco in the 50’s, just the time when Santiago Bernabéu changed RM history by setting talent and excellence as the club’s principles. When Franco died RM had 6 UCL cups more than FCB. At present, 45 years later, that gap is even bigger!
Football in 1943 was played with formations like 1-2-7 and 2-3-5, so the likelihood of a game being 11-1 after a 3-0 game for the other team is much greater than it would be today.
@@nitin1918 Barca players was mostly professional meanwhile RM players mostly amateur players whose main occupation was farmer,Painter,constructer they played football as their part time job that's why the result was suspicious and surprising
Leaving key details out, such as Franco sending key industries to help catalonia and basque country rebuild, as well as him bailing out barcelona for the construction of the camp nou. Franco didn’t even like football, was just politically savvy
This is true. I love Tifo but sometimes I wonder if there are agendas involved as certain important details and facts are omitted to fit a narrative. Just want to see fair analysis...and I prefer Barcelona to Real 😂.
David Clinging sad to see someone get carried away and blinded by your hooligan eyes. Read about how textile and iron industries grew artificially in those regions in the Spanish state of autarky, and impeding other regions to compete. He hated the catalans right? That’s why international expos in Spain could only be held in Catalonia or Valencia from 1943 until way past his death! He hated the radical, secessionist ideologies these regiona had but boosted their productivity. The south has better mining resources but no let’s start that up in the basque country. Keep living in your fantasy world of conspiracy theories and ignore the historical facts...
Well Barca dominated the Copa del Generalísimo (CDR now) in Franco's years... Really doubt that if he really the one pulling strings in spanish football, he would allow a catalan club to win a cup that named after his title
@@DB-lo1iy Definitivamente. Apesar de muita gente não perceber essa vertente socio-económica do clássico. A cultura do Porto também se faz por oposição ao centralismo lisboeta (vê-se por exemplo no "quem não salta é lampião" em todos os jogos)
Gonçalo Ribeiro sim, não querendo menosprezar o enorme clube que é o FCP, sente-se o complexo de inferioridade tal como do barcelona para com o real madrid. penso também que é justo neste momento comparar o sporting de braga ao atlético de madrid.
@@DB-lo1iy hmm, interessante. Sim, creio que pode haver uma vitimização por parte adeptos do FCP (nos quais me incluo) relativamente ao Benfica. Acho que essa vitimização até se tem acentuado recentemente por causa de situações extra desportivas: caso dos túneis, etoupeira, opa, dinâmica com o Jorge Mendes...De qualquer forma ser anti "regime" implica logo uma situação de inferioridade. Quanto ao Braga, acho que a comparação só é valida em termos desportivos, mas não sei muito sobre o Braga
Gonçalo Ribeiro aprecio sempre um adepto imparcial. é importante reconhecer que não há clubes santos e que o meu benfica, não é exceção. muitas das queixas dos adeptos portistas são fundamentadas tal como algumas dos benfiquistas. relativamente ao braga, é mesmo a nível desportivo. a nível histórico seria o sporting mas pela falta de nível competitivo atual, não me parece comparável.
Actually Barcelona was the club that wins more leagues in Franco Dictatorial Period, Franc9 only use Madrid as a example of the spanish superiority afther they won the 5 cups of europe. Franco hate the Monarchy so he forced all clubs that had the word "real" in his name to take it away. But the club for which Franco professed his love was the Atletico de Madrid.
Yes and even with Perez, the corruption continues. Don’t know how people could blast at Juventus Man United and Barcelona but no one bats an eye at Real Madrid. They had a dictator lining the league and titles for them. Kids that hop on the bandwagon don’t even realize this dirty history.
Franco was in power for almost 40 years and Real Madrid outnumbered the trophies won. But hey, in almost 40 Barça won 8 titles so they must be wrong, even after the whole board being killed by a firing squad, forcing the club to change its name, forcing the club to not use Catalan symbols or language, forbidding Barça fans to gather on the streets or club's buildings with the exception of the stadium in match days, the Di Stefano transfer, the 11-1. This is all a product of pure imagination, right?
Highly doubt Franco liked Madrid considering the fact that Madrid was the team of the republic, in the civil war they openly contributed with bonds and the wood of their stadium was used for trenches. Also when the civil war was over the mayority of players and the president were killed for helping the republic
my question to farsa supporters if franco favored real madrid where the hell was he in 1940 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 where barcelona athletic bilbao sevilla where winning the league and cup madrid didn't starting winning till Di stefano and why were someof the founders of RealMadrid were catlan (padron brothers) and why did franco loan money to barcelona to construct the nou camp and refused Madrid any loans to construct the bernabeu?
Wild guess, he was focused on other things since it was post revolution and WWII was going on. Anyway, yeah, Di Stefano, who became a Madrid player because a Franco appointed minister said the two clubs had to share the player and Barcelona rightly refused to do so. Di Stefano is the main point if you actually know what you're talking about.
@@amateurtoyhunter7513 Look into the transfer of Kubala to Barcelona a few years before the di Stefano transfer. Similar story - just the opposite way around.
Spain was deep into shit in that time. People was harvested. And the European Cup was part of the regime's propaganda started at lates 50's and 60s. Madrid never was at same level like Barça. Its just when they robbed Di Stéfano to Barça when they started setting the European Cup. Why didn't they set this title during the 40s? Madrid was founded at the beginning of the century so Franco didn't exist. You're repeating Franco's propaganda all the time. Camp Nou was built with member fees of several years in beforehand. In comparison with Santiago Bernabeu that was built with public taxes. Don't you see there was a dictatorship? Barça fought against Franco. Barça president was killed by fascists. Why Franco was going to pay anything to Barcelona?
@@billycorgan3934 You're not making much sense - obviously there was a dictatorship but how did Barça fight against the dictatorship? Their president was killed but it's a big club there were obviously many left -wing and many right-wing members. The club didn't fight the regime. Real Madrid had a left-wing president during the civil war too and he fled into exile. How could Madrid win the European Cup in the 40's - it didn't exist? The European Cup came into existence after di Stefano's signing which happened after. Kubala's signing for Barça which was also done with the help of Franco's government (as well as Barça's agent getting him drunk and telling he was in Madrid). How is it Franco's propaganda to say he didn't help Madrid? It would glorify him to say he created the best team in the world. Madrid have had a communist president since Franco died - when was the last time Barça had anything but a right-wing president?
@@darahensey6932 the club was managed by a politician from The Catalan government... So it makes no sense your argument... The club fought against Franco as most of the catalan people did. Why Fascists were going to kill president Sunyol if Barça wasn't an enemy? 😂 Because Real Madrid was a bullshit in the 40s so there was no reason to set any European Cup.. Do you understand? This Cup was just part of the regime's propaganda did like Soviet Union And Nazis did... Its simple. They created this tournament when they robbed Di Stéfano to Barça... You just repeat the Franco propaganda. Madrid had a communist president when Franco Died in 1975? Are you sick or ignorant?
During Franco Era Number of La liga titles: Real Madrid : 12 (5 runner ups) Barcelona : 8(10 runner ups) - Only won it once in the history before his period Atletico Madrid : 5 (5 runner ups) Now lets look at any period in history after franco you will see similar ratio. By statistics only team went down hill is 'Atletic Bilbao'
Unbelievable how you stick to the politically correct perspective, instead of digging deeper and trying to tell the truth. The statement that the circumstances around the 11-1 are only rumours.. that's ridiculous.
No, I meant the opposite. If they'd talk about the truth, they'd be called Barca fans. This perspective helps Tifo to remain neutral as they need to be in this totally commercialised football world. Othervise they risk to lose some Madrid fans which wouldn't help of course.
hmm funny how they didn't talk about the fact that Franco bailed out 3 times Barcelona FC from the brink of collapse and bankruptcy...doesn't sound like Real Madrid was Franco's team....
During Franco’s regime, Real Madrid did won more trophies then Barca, but not with a big advantage I think Madrid won 21 national titles and Barca 20. Also in during the regime 98 clásicos were played. Real won 43 Barca 39 and 16 draws. On thing that they don’t mention is that Franco was honor by Barca’s president and helped them when they were having economic issues. That’s why I disagree.
Christine well people who have a functioning brain and can analyze things can see that not only Madrid benefit but also Barcelona. If your brain is biased because it goes against everything you have seen or heard that’s your problem.
0:31 *What the fuck did I just hear?* His dictatorship began when he took over Madrid, dude. This was a Civil War, it ended when he marched on the capital. Kinda makes sense, huh? There's this Catalonian independence movement trying to twist this to make it look like a "Spain vs Catalonia" conflict, when in reality Madrid was the city that stood until the very end, even after your country recognized Franco's claim to the government as legitimate. You could have easily checked fucking Wikipedia instead some Catalonian nationalist friend you have on facebook for this information.
REAL MADRID WAS NOT FRANCO’S team. It was Atletico Madrid, just look at the photos where they do the salute. Santiago Bernabéu (the president of Real Madrid) declined Franco’s financial help in order to build the club on their own. They hated Franco. Real Madrid’s previous president was also killed and most of the staff was in jail or dead. You bring all these “facts” without any argument. This is just Catalan propaganda, there was no thing as such “one of Franco’s henchmen talked to the team in order to lose the next match”. Barcelona won more Copa Del Rey trophies during Franco’s period, yes the King’s cup, so how was Real Madrid Franco’s team?.Alfredo Di Stefano’s transfer is much more complicated, FIFA proposed to both teams that Di Stefano could play one season at Real M. and one at Barca, but the Catalan club declined so. There was also controversy with the transfer of Kubala, he had also been supposed to join Real Madrid. Also, FC Barcelona have given 2 medals to Franco, in order to thank him for his funding of the Camp Nou stadium. So who in reality is Franco’s team? I have read the book that you mentioned, but it looks like you haven’t even read one page. This video doesn’t look one bit like the book, instead, looks like the Facebook fan pages, where they spread false information.
There's no real evidence of an advantage. Especially considering Real Madrid didn't even win a league title for 14 years under Franco, not to mention Barcelona won more Copa Del Rey's in that whole time . That doesn't mean Franco didn't give them an advantage, but if he did, he was pretty awful at it.
What is it with these selective stats? Why bring up a small portion of his reign "specifically 14 years" and not the entire period he was in power? Clearly a dictator has more things to do than help his favourite team win the league. Him not obsessively rigging everything in favour of Madrid isn't evidence he didn't do it. Real Madrid still won more league titles during his reign than any other club (13 times).
@@amrahmed7856 How do you not comprehend what I said? There was a 14 year stretch under Franco's power where Real Madrid didn't win a league title, my point is that if he was that influential , they wouldn't have gone that long without a title. That's it, no "selective" stats, just pointing out something that blatantly gets left out. But hey, you want more stats? Franco was in power during 36 seasons, Real Madrid won 14 during that time, which makes up less than half of the winners during his regime . So yeah, I'm not so sure he had that much power
I love your videos, you are one of my favourites channel but I have to say something about this one. First of all sorry for my English.... I am Spanish and I not agree whit this legend, because it is only that, a legend. The dictator Franco won the war in 1939, and since then until 1956 Real only won 2 leagues, if Franco was a Real Supporter why let Real lose all these year? The Real´s victories weren´t because Franco, They were because Di Stefano, he changed the history of football in Spain. Santiago Bernabeu (president of Real Madrid) was a declared enemy of franco since war times. More facts, in 1965 Franco payed the Barcelona debt (230 millions of pesetas) and they could build th new stadium. Thre is no doubt that Franco used the succesful of Real in Spain and Europe as political propaganda but Real never use Franco to win. In this legend there are more politicals than football, because in Spain some Independence parties are all the time looking for put the State as a devil and them as a victims.
When Cruyff got to Barcelona, he wanted to register his son as Jordi, the patron saint of Barcelona. It was denied because Jordi was a Catalan name, they wanted to change it to Jorge. Cruyff flew to Amsterdam, had his son registered as Jordi and the Catalans loved it.
PieterS he hated Adidas so much he would sow a 4th stripe onto jerseys... he was first one to use a number outside 1-11 too
Ajax agreed with Madrid his transfer but cruyff said I am not going to the regime's team. Brave man
Even better, Ajax wanted to sell Cruyff to Madrid. However Cruyff said he wouldn't sign for a club that represented Franco.
Rest in peace Cruyff. He was a true legend in every sense.
Jordi Cruyff who was born in Amsterdam? really? wow, Franco was really powerful, he even controlled Netherlands civil registry. Barcelona PR bullshit about Franco when they were one of the most benefited teams, (saved from bankruptcy by Fascist regime) is amazing, now you can understand that many Catalans believe all that bullshit because the Catalan radical nationalism is controlling education in Catalonia... but please, can you you explain to me how you foreigns are that naive to believe all that bullshit?
Maybe true ..... but the real question is could they do it on a cold rainy night at stoke
Please if man city can do what they do at the premier league, what the fuck would prime real madrid do with a average premier league team
Lingard can
muhamed ali nah stoke would destroy you, 11 to 1
@@genocidejoe r/whooosh
@@youunculturedswine264 be real mate
First video after merging with The Athletic and there's no mention of them. Hahahaha. Great content though.
There's no need now. They *are* them.
Remember this moment, it'll probably be one of the last videos made before the merger. RIP quality control at tifo.
Aryan Sharma its tifo’s video. But they no longer need to mention they are basing it on The Athletic article because of the merge.
Are you seriously upset by the little Athletic ads at the very end of videos? The ones you can turn off immediately without missing out on any content?
RIP to all the jokes and stuff appearing on the athletic
Quite a few details missed out here. The city of Barcelona fell to Franco’s regime before Madrid did. With Sunyol (Barca’s President) assassinated not in Barcelona but at the front line, in the Sierra de Guadarrama; North West of Madrid.
Feel like you've read Fear and Loathing in Laliga by Sid Lowe
Madrid ❤️Franco
BARCELONA EXPOSED PAYING REFS FROM 2000 UNTIL MESSI LEFT LOL
dosent change much
@@Cononized When?
Last time I was this early, tifo was not a part of the Athletic, or nothing was sponsored by it, everything orginally appeared on tifo.
@André Antunes You must be fun at parties?
@André Antunes i'm joking aswell 🤦♂️
Maybe Ivica Osim would be an intresting Person to talk about. The Last Coach of the last yugoslavian Team wich could have won the in 1992. A guy Who is respected on the Balcan by all Nations for his football and his approuche to peace
Yeah, they did win the qualification group in front of Denmark, but because of the civil war and the dissolution of Yugoslavia, we got the ticket instead, and ended up going all the way, though we technically didn't even qualify.
@@zaszarathustra2258 yeah it is leterally crazy😂
I know him because of the war he wanted to stay close to his Family so instead of coaching a big Club he came to Austria and had greate success with my hometown Club.
I urge ANYONE who hasn’t, to read Fear And Loathing in La Liga : Barcelona VS Real Madrid. It gives the best insight into all of this with a very objective view 👌🏻
Surely not biased. In a book that says "franco's fascists vs freedom fighters"
@@somebody700 was franco not a facist?
@@smrkinjo or the other's not freedom fighters?
So if for you being objectif is to say that franco helped RM is you know nothing because is the biggest lie evr
@@smrkinjo pretty bold of you to imply franco wasn’t a fascist
0:33 The civil war didn't end on the 10th of February when Barcelona fell to the francoist side. Madrid resisted until the 28th of March 1939 together with much of the southeastern Spain.
Exactly. This false narrative the English media are trying to portray to sell our rivalry is ridiculous. Now even historical facts are going out the window. I guess our grandparents were fighting for nothing in Madrid. They were being starved for no reason. Franco was in Madrid handing out food on golden plates for everyone. This is absurd.
@@tharcisse7103 I know it's kind of offensive to the people who died in Madrid
When Barcelona felt there was no chance to win the war so technically civil war was ended. Spanish government was in Barcelona in that moment so Madrid was just waiting for surrender. The history of Real Madrid has been built as part of the Franco's regime propaganda started nearly 60's. Santiago Bernabeu was part of the regime and awarded with the presidency when taking part of the siege of Catalonia with the Fascist Legion.
@@billycorgan3934 What are you talking about? The government of Juan Negrin, descendent of the elected governement of 1936 was in Madrid, which is understandable because it's the capital of Spain. The war ended after Casado's coup against Negrin and the occupation of Madrid Valencia and all the rest by Franco. And what kind of argument is it that because the situation for the republicans was desperate after the fall of Catalonia we can consider the war over. Have you ever seen anyone say that D-day is the day WW2 ended, and the foreign governments of allied occupied Germany started their reign? No, obviously. The guys at Tifo Football made a factual mistake, which is fine, I just pointed it out. But the fact that people who have no idea about the history of the civil war would try to defend that is exasperating
@@billycorgan3934 Also Santiago Bernabeu became the president of Real Madrid in 1943, not during the offensive of Catalonia in 1939 (offensive, not siege. There's a difference). Jesus Christ can you be more wrong in 3 sentences
Why do youth teams occasionally have unpredictable winners(If you were to compare it to the actual World Cup)?
For example in the finals of the last few u20 World cups:
Ukraine 3-1 Republic Of Korea
England 1-0 Venezuela
Brazil 1-2 Serbia
For example
I would like this video to happen
+1 @tifo make this happen
Mali also do very well in youth tournaments yet almost no football fan could name a Malian player.
@@DPAE-xc4ph They even reached the final of the u17 wc in Chile. But somehow they have made much of an impact in other competitions. Same with Serbia and Venezuela.
@@DPAE-xc4ph Moussa marega
Too many things left unsaid. Like Atletico Aviacion, the Republican presidents of Real Madrid before the Civil War and the amount of titles won by each team during those decades, which clearly shows that Real Madrid being Franco's team is not that simple
The only team in the 40s to travel by plane
Barca won more trophies than real madrid during franco's reign
@@Sfx04 exactly thats what I meant
@@Luiser27 He even helped in funds for their camp nou stadium, talk about principles with cule xD
@@Sfx04 they will try to have a moral high ground but history shows the opposite
Franco must be so proud of Bartomeu
hahahahahahahaha for sure.
oh boy.
Yes, because he was atletico madrid's supporter
Tifo I’d like you to do a video on the Hillsborough disaster maybe to inform some of the things what happened to people so they get a true understanding of it a lot of people on Twitter don’t take it serious anymore and think it’s ok to make jokes about it, also maybe talk about Margaret Thatcher and the suns involvement in it also. It is the anniversary today JF96
Horrible idea
The sun ☀ was involved Hillsborough?
Haven't they done something similar in the past? I'm kinda sure of it.
@@B4kerG In what way is it a "horrible idea"? It is the anniversary of the event for one, and it's one of the most tragic days in football history. Many football fans today are I'll informed on the topic and a video explaining it here would be great.
Ninh Ly has a video on it
So much more to cover in this. The writing of Alejandro Quiroga would be useful as you’ve took maybe two quotes and just used general thoughts as your points. Franco had influence on the national side as well as how the channels reported the teams. When Spain beat the USSR Barca players involved in the goals were edited out of the highlights where possible.
Do you mean Jesus Pereda's goal in the 1964 European Nations Cup? Can you give me a source on this. I want to read about it but I'm bad at googleing stuff and I can't find anything
Would you mind giving me a source, or just where you remember you first heard it?
Alberto just search for Alejandro quiroga and his profile should appear you can check his publications
@@glennb6020 thanks. Is it in goles y banderas?
It's not true. Franco made flim about barca's legend kubala. Franco’s government wanted to utilize Kubala’s status as a refugee from one of the URSS satellite countries to reinforce the regime’s validity, thus helping Kubala obtain Spanish citizenship without delay.[9] In the midst of the Cold War, Kubala's escape to the West was used as propaganda by Franco's government and was made into a successful film The Stars Search for Peace which saw Kubala and Samitier playing themselves.
He was a Atletico Madrid fan and then he realized they were not that good and switched to Real Madrid. It Franco that used Madrid not the other way around besides Real Madrid was the last team that he supported because the other Madrid teams were bad.
It's not like real Madrid didn't benefit from it. They're the club now only because Franco helped them
Mohammed Shuaib sure lad
Mohammed Shuaib yeah rm got a huge leg up from francos support.rm might have already have been in the ascendancy and might not have specifically sought his support but when he did get behind them that came at the expense of every other team in Spain. As I see it taking the help of a fascist dictator makes them complicit in his reign by permitting franco to use their newly acquired prestige for legitimacy amongst European countries. That kinda thing makes me dislike rm.
One has to ask why didn't "franco's team" attain any real success in the 40s which were the hardest years of francoism. Rm almost went down in the 40s. The moniker was RM had a second division side with a first division stadium.
@@unstoppableExodia Not to mention he forced Di Stefano to be a Real player instead of a barca one
Great timing guys!
I'm Currently reading Sid Lowe's "Fear and Loathing in La Liga"
I'd recommend it to everyone who is interested in the football history books in general.
If I quote the Authors note "this book is about the episodes that have shaped the rivalry and made Real Madrid and FC Barcelona what they are and about the human stories behind them. This is their story."
Just read that a few weeks ago. Very interesting book, and doesn't really take one side, but rather gives you information from which to draw conclusions.
That book is on my list, I just got soccernomics and inverting the pyramid
I'm currently reading Di Stefano's biography by Ian Hawkey, in case anyone wanted more reading recs in quarantine.
So the book is about real madrid and barcelona?
Nobody:
Barca and Madrid fans:
arguing about this type of shit when 95% of them in the comments have no actual connection to the spanish civil war or any family roots in Spain.
Everyone has roots to anti-fascism.
@XDSmiffy shut up mate
Doesn't matter. Football transcends it all, your nationality, your roots, your race, as long as you love the club you're one of them.
Interestingly, Paulino Alcántara, a Barcelona legend who was from the Philippines, was arguably Barcelona’s best player pre-Cruyff and was Barcelona’s top scorer until Messi. However, at the breakout of the civil war in Spain, he retired from football and fought under Franco, even becoming a high ranking officer.
I totally can agree from a Half Filipino culér he was ❤🔥
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I agree! I am also a half Pinoy culer funnily enough
This does not mean anything. Alcántara chose what he thinks is right for him! What FC Barcelona has to do with that?
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Alcántara chose the right side
@@bjehulk He chose a fascist political organization linked to the Nazis, what right side in his choice!
Ironically Barcelona had one of their most successful period of domestic success when Franco was in power. They won 8 La Liga titles and 9 Copas del Rey during his rule.
Somehow barca fans seem to forgett that
Yeah the video should of mentioned that
Franco was in power for almost 40 years and Real Madrid outnumbered the trophies won. But hey, in almost 40 Barça won 8 titles so they must be wrong, even after the whole board being killed by a firing squad, forcing the club to change its name, forcing the club to not use Catalan symbols or language, forbidding Barça fans to gather on the streets or club's buildings with the exception of the stadium in match days, the Di Stefano transfer, the 11-1. This is all a product of pure imagination, right?
8 titles in 40 years
in 40 years... AFter Franco Died 6 UCL FInals 21 copas del rey and more than 17 leagues
I honestly just watch these to gain inspiration to make a career mode on fifa
Try getting a histroic team with a very nice ground and team like stuttgart from the 2nd division to the champions league and stuff. Me myself I am playing a player career mode in the pro camera (little difficult but if you get used to it is really nice) as an LM where I started with Stuttgart moved to Bayern won 2 trebles in 6 years and now moved to Hamburg... Just giving ideas 😂
@@vdross_79 👌👌👌👌 yeah that's sounds awesome tbh Imma do something similar sounds fun
Football manager*
Lower level clubs are way more fun and interesting. Someone like Madrid gets boring quick.
@@54356776 exactly but it also needs to be a kinda big club like hamburg or stuttgart that i've mentioned because I find it a bit ugly taking really small clubs to champions league and stuff
Tifo, you forgot to mentioned that Franco saved FC Barcelona from financial ruin in 1965. Moreover, this move earned him an "honorary socio" title at the Barcelona in addition to countless honorary medals thereafter.
At that point Barcelona was "hostage" of Franco's government after Josep Sunyol was killed and a commission chosen by Franco was assigned to preside over the club.
@Stats 05 we all know that would have been utterly foolish.
You forgot that Franco used currency like a weapon and those that didn't do what he said disappeared forever.
@Stats 05 Not really for both of your comments. Taking control of the club and helping it was a good way to show goodwill to the region and "pacify" them (or at least not to give them another reason to revolt). Also Barcelona was better than RM before the civil war- if the government just wanted to pick the best team, Real wasn't the prime choice, but it was the best team in the capital thus easiest to control.
nonsense. If it had not been for the efforts of Paddy O'Connell when Barca were more or less black listed (he organized friendlies in South america which basically saved barca from financial ruin) then there wouldn't of been a club to help in 1965.
Sid Lowe made a really interesting comment in the copa 90 video on this about how the history is complicated and you can point to Francoists in Barcelona and left wingers in Real Madrid to dispute it or reinforce it, but that ultimately both clubs want us to keep talking about it because it funnels attention towards them and away from the other 18 teams in la Liga making it seem like Spanish football is just all about el Classico
Yup this is exactly what the correct take is. Coming from a lifelong Barcelona fan, el clásico hasn’t had the same meaning or feeling since the late 90s. It seems much more like a cash grab for foreign fans to enjoy rather than the most legendary rivalry in football.
@@josea1707Being a Spanish born in the mid 90s, and having lived the rivalry since I was a kid (by the way I'm neither from Madrid nor Barcelona/Catalunya) I'm curious, what was the meaning and the feeling the match used to have? Here in my city there are lots of both Madrid and Barça fans. Not a huge difference between them really. Quite a heterogeneus crowd in both sides. It's true there's this prejudice about madridistas being more "fachas", which sometimes it's true.
@@MGdelOeste I mean once elephante blu took over barca, they (with florentino) made el clasico more of a spectacle for the profit. This was made even worse by the ronaldo/messi rivalry when el clasico became the game to watch the two best in the world play against each other rather than the most passionate game in spanish club football. Florentino's galacticos felt more foreign than the madrid teams from before and that also added to it with barca and other clubs in europe having more and more foreign players and big name talents.
@@MGdelOeste I still love el clasico but it just seems more like a cash grab to me than anything else nowadays.
The change of names of clubs was not only for Athletic and Barcelona, all the clubs with english names changed, Rácing, Sporting, etc.
Im surprised you guys forgot this, but you didn't mention the stories of Franco restricting La Liga to domestic players only while naturalizing any foreigner signed by Rèal
Exactly.
Like Kubala?
Bullshit
Bullshit. That's a complete oversimplification for one thing. For another you should look into Kubala's transfer to Barca.
@@darahensey6932 he's talking about South American players. They had to prove they had Spanish ancestors to let them play during 60s 70s and there was a big issue because many players got fake documents, they were pretending to be Spanish legitimate players when they weren't. Barça reported because he got Heredia denied when other clubs had illegal players
The 1943 Barcelona team doesn't know the Barcelona Vs PSG game. 6-1😮
Imagine comparing 6-1 to 11-1. 6-1 also resulted through fortunate circumstances. There's no way as mentioned, that the 11-1 took place without any external influences.
I always though the refs favored Barça heavily in the second game.
@@devilfriend imagine comparing refs to an oppresive regime which suppressed the catalan and basquae people to the point that it made their languages illegal.
@@noahcoleman6385 What about the 12-1 loss to Athletic Bilbao? Which 'external influence' intervened in that match?
@@devilfriend not really, the ref had a bad angle on the suarez penalty, don't blame him there was no var.
Point number 1: it has never been proved that a men of franco visited barcelona's squad before de 11-1, eventhough, it is true that everybody that was in that game said that the fans were very hostile, throwing things to the players and the barcelona's keeper actually had to leave the goal because of the things people were throwing, allowing real madrid to score more goals.
Point number 2: Franco was never in real madrid games, just in the important ones, in order to raise concern about spain, using its success to expand spain's name.
Point number 3: it has been said for years as you said that franco's team was real madrid, but that is not true whatsoever, in the spanish civil war the two strategical places where madrid and cataluña, when the national side won madrid the war was almost over, and winning cataluña was the last thing, but not the detonant. Franco's team was always said to be, by people close to him, his birthplace team racing club de ferrol, now in the 3rd spanish division, and the one that he supported if you had to pick one of the big ones was "Atlético Aviación", this team was financially supoorted by the regime, the club would change its standards, stop receiving money from franco and changed the name, known nowadays as atlético de madrid.
Point number 4: real madrid crossed blue band in the badge was initially purple, color used by the spanish republic on their flag and color aknoledged to the republic. It is just a rumor the fact that they used it in favor of the republic, and they changed it to blue in 1941, adding the crown because of the regime.
Point 5: and last, but definitely not least, fc Barcelona was saved from bankruptct by franco. In the 50s, barcelona was growing as a club, and they needed a bigger stadium than "Les corts", they proceeded then to the construction of the camp nou. Nonetheless, the spanish club had a debt of over 200million because of the construction. It was then when Franco requalified the land where they intended to build it. That land was reserved to parks, gardens and other things than stadiums. With this requalification barcelona solved their debt, built the camp nou and didnt disappear.
In conclusion, in the light of the information mentioned above, omitted mostly over the video, it should be considered that franco was never from real madrid, and did never help them to achieve nothing, otherwise, he used them to enhance the name of spain internationally.
I think they intentionally made this video this misleading.
This is far from the general opinion. Anyway, why on earth would Barca lose 11-0. It's impossible, esp. after the first leg. Very suspicious, don't you think. Methinks you protest too much.
@@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633 yes because of the actions of madrid supporters who threw objects at barcelona players so that madrid players could score 11 goals against barcelona
after all, if the franco regime supported madrid why did they lose in the final and bilbao won at that time?
Nonsense. I read a whole book on this. Real Madrid was Franco's team. No argument. Another example, in addition to the 11-1 win was that Di Stefano wanted to register for Barca, he was herded toward Real.
@@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633 Oh yes? if you read a whole books can you explain about transfers at Stefano and how franco was involved in it?🤔
I’d like to see a video from you guys about the rise and fall of Blackburn Rovers in the 90s.
Ligas won by Barcelona from 1939 to 1954: 5
Ligas won by Madrid from 1939 to 1954: 0
I am a Betis supporter but saying that Real Madrid had advantage is nonsense.
Can you do a video on Kaizer Motaung? And the emergence of Kaizer Chiefs, creating a fierce rivalry with Orlando Pirates, and the impact Apartheid had on football in South Africa?
Who is here after Madrid’s video saying that Franco was a Culé?
Madrid wasn’t claiming that, they were claiming they were not the “regime’s team”
MADIRD =commies
Franco saved Barcelona from going bankrupt and helped financing the Camp Nou. Also, he intervened when Madrid was about to sign Kubala and he finally signed for Barcelona. Just a couple of things worth mentioning as well.
That was just a cover of what happened in the past lol franco sent italians planes to bomb barcelona , they assasinated barca president Sunyol, Madrid cheated on Di stefano transfert to get him from barcelona when every thing was already dealed
@@brandonsomo6200 well for politics perhaps, but in football if Franco didnt help Barça from bankruptcy, they would probably disband, and gone for good, can't deny he help them in football aspects.
@@brandonsomo6200 He executed 2 real Madrid presidents, 2!!
And literally all of Spain was bombed...Madrid the first and last.
@@brandonsomo6200 thats the war though, that’s different. You are not that bright
The Di Stefano's Madrid - Barcelona affair changed the history of football, undoubtedly. Before that moment, Real Madrid only won 2 titles in 14 years since dictatorship began. Once Di Stefano arrived to Madrid, they started to win trophies wildly: they won the 1953 league 20 years after their last spanish league & in 1955 the Real Madrid's chairman created the european champions cup for first time, with Di Stefano in his prime. I don't want to talk about politic here, because the spanish issue is very deep, but the presence of Franco was obviously crucial for these countries that fighted to keep their language and traditions alive, as Catalonia or Pays Basque. You can check, for example, how Franco's army killed the chairman Josep Sunyol in 1936 or put Marqués de la Mesa de Asta, related to regime, as a Chairman of FCB in 1940 in order to control Catalonia throught the football. As Mussolini did with Italia in 1934/1938, football was used in Spain with the same intentions, and as a dictator, you prefer to boost a team that reflect the regime's ideas, and show Europe how strong you are winning european cups.
A video on the absolute mess in Scotland would be good
Real Madrid did not win a single league title during the first 18 years of Franco's regime (1936-1954). Also by the end of his reign in 1975, RM only had one more national title than Barcelona (21-20). That's some weak favoritism if you ask me
Weak or strong it is called favouritism by fascist Franco , Franco's Real Madrid.
@@alexfreedom3084 The ONLY title named after Franco is the Copa del Generalísimo [currently Copa del Rey] and it was won by Barca [9] times 3 more than RM [6]
Yeah, that's smart. Comparing titles won outside of Franco's reign to the ones in it. Fact is that Madrid won the league title 14 times during Franco's reign compared to only 8 times for Barcelona. Also, if you factor in the Di Stefano transfer, which was clearly down to a Franco appointed minister, then it's still 14 titles for Madrid during Franco's reign but only 3 for Barcelona.
@outlawfly Kind of funny how you have to come in and make insults while completely getting the facts wrong.
First, FIFA backed Barcelona's deal with River Plate. At the time, regardless of where Di Stefano was playing, the player had a contract with River Plate until 1954. Barça agreed a deal with River Plate and Di Stefano moved to Spain before 1954. Again, FIFA backed that deal.
Second, the deal was blocked in Spain by the Spanish Federation. In White Storm: 101 Years of Real Madrid, Phil Ball writes on page 108 "Unfortunately, FIFA had given their blessing to Barça's deal, so in a sudden flurry of legislation in the Spanish Federation, General Moscard' passed a law banning the further importation of foreign players - effectively blocking any chance of Di Stefano officially turning out for the Catalans." Who was General Moscardo'? Well to quote Ball again, page 96, he was "one of Franco's wartime thugs now promoted to the unlikely position of National Delegate of Sport."
Third, to further establish the relationship between Madrid and Franco, when General Moscardo' was appointed, this is what Santiago Bernabeu put in a telegram to Moscardo': "It is with honor that I fulfill my first act as president of this club, sending this message of greeting to our illustrious head of sport and heroic soldier of the fatherland..." I won't even go into the fascist element there. To quote Ball again to put this telegram into context, page 97, "The message could not have been clearer. Bernabeu was using the occasion to establish his club's new Francoist credentials, to break ties with any vestiges of its Republican past and invite Moscardo' to join the party" Now this was in 1944, close to ten years before the Di Stefano transfer which Moscardo' blocked initially because the player was headed for Barcelona.
Fourth, few people know that Di Stefano actually played a few friendlies for Barcelona. Di Stefano himself years later denied that there was an agreement in place for both clubs to share the player. After having already played for Barcelona, Saporta who was Bernabeu's right-hand man, according to Ball, page 108, slipped Di Stefano "a bulky envelope with a decent amount of pesatas inside and a rough-draft contract, indicating the sort of money they were contemplating paying to him.
Fifth, the claim that Franco's henchmen visited the dressing room makes a lot of sense. For starters, the first leg of that tie was a 3-0 win to Barcelona. So an 11-1 loss in the next leg is highly unlikely much less on the face of it in general. Furthermore, let's provide some more context here. In that first leg 3-0 for Barcelona two of the Madrid players, played quite dirty. One of left his stud imprint on the chest of Barcelona's captain. As a result the crowd in Barcelona booed Madrid. Well after the match Eduardo Teus, a former Madrid goalkeeper who at the time was writing for the pro-Madrid (to this day in fact) publication AS, wrote that the booing "the representatives of Spain" meaning the government itself. Low and behold what happens before the 11-1 second leg? The Barça players were treated to a visit from the Director of State Security, Jose' Finat y Escriva de Romani, the count of Mayalde, where he reminded them that "they were only playing as result of the generosity of the regime that had forgiven their lack of patriotism." Page 95 of the same book which also cites Jimmy Burns' Barça: A People's Passion which I too have read. As for the final against Bilbao, do you homework. There's a story there as well.
Sixth, as for the trophies, as I already said in the comments here, Madrid won 14 league titles during Franco's time to Barça's 8. Factor in when the trophies were won for even more context, like how many after the Di Stefano transfer and the fact that the regime surely had other focuses in the 1940s.
Finally, as for Kubala he was bound for a train for Madrid. I'll let you try and figure out the importance of that bit, but I won't hold my breath on that happening. Anyway, try getting your facts straight since you're very clearly wrong about your club's history which so benefited from it's ties to a Fascist dictator such that it otherwise surely wouldn't even closely resemble the club that it is today.
@outlawflyI completely refuted many of your points which in fact weren't correct to begin with. Also, they aren't "accusations", they're facts. Biased statements? The main author I cited, who has multiple books on Spanish football including the definitive one, is a self-proclaimed Madrid "fan" after writing the book I referenced. Cherry-picked? Do you want me to post the entire book? At the end of the day you posted a bunch of false statements, insulted me in the process and then came back with this latest weak reply. Little wonder you're a Madrid support only too happy to ignore your club's true history.
When you break it down to facts this seems pretty much a myth to me. Below, see the domestic honours of both clubs (La Liga and Cup) during the period (1939-1975) then make your own mind up.
Real Madrid: 20
Barcelona: 17
Please look at the Liga’s history first:
Franco took the power on 1939. Since then to 1954 (15 years!) Real Madrid did no get any Liga (0). Barcelona got 5, At. Madrid got 4 y At. Bilbao got 2. Franco did not like Real at that time. These are facts not lies from Barcelona.
Real Madrid became a leader thanks to Santiago Bernabéu, who had the ability to build a modern club by convincing international stars to come Madrid to make an incredible team. Once Real became Europe’s king, Franco realised that was a chance to improve International image of Spain.
Of course you say so liar, but also remember that Franco's troops killed Xusep Suñol, a former president of FC Barcelona, additionally it is well known that there was a dark hand that stole Di Stefano from Barcelona. It was a disgraceful intervention and Madrid has always been helped, they are the only club in Champions League to play the competition without winning their local League last year and they even could choose their rivals. Madrid is a dirty corrupt club, they make me puke.
@@andresa.j5873 relax, those are past.. even if u remove 5 ucl title from real madrid, real still on the top with 8 ucl..
@@andresa.j5873 cry
@@supaa4512 hahahaha okay, maybe you'd like my comment if it was about Fortnite or sth like that, virgin.
This video does not correspond to the truth, many details are missing. The story is only told from Barcas ponit of view. Franco was a honorary memeber of Barca. His government financed the Camp Nou, he also saved Barca from bankruptcy 3 times.
Honourary member of Barcelona?? Have some shame brooo
Prolly threatened them to make him a member
When football rivalries actually meant something. All so commercialised now
if Franco was alive in 2010, he would got heart attack when he read the Spain's line up. Midfielders were Xabi Alonso (Basque), Sergio Busquets (Catalan), Xavi (Catalan), Iniesta (Catalan)
Where's Iniesta from?
Barca couldn't have been that hard to beat, they have a 0-0-4 record against Dundee United after all
William Rostance Dundee United used to be really good you know
@@marcuslopez4375 But then, everything changed when the Crocodile Nation attacked.
Franco or not , "Big Clubs" like Real Madrid and others always had advantage over small clubs with weak infrastructure and low budgets to buy these 5 star rated football players.
Unknown Human But that’s just something that naturally happens. This is very different
True..
What has that got to with the video?..this was in the 40s before they even signed di stefano...they werent the big club they are now..
Real never won a european cup until 1955, two years after they got di stefano
Yeah everyone knows that genius
@@NR-cu7et how does it happen "naturally"
Atlético Aviación was the team of the army. Later on turned into Atlético de Madrid.
Real Madrid was never the team of the regime. Santiago Bernabéu did not stand fascists.
The Spanish Civil War was not Spain vs Catalonia as some may think... It was Republicans vs Fascists. There were republicans and fascists in Catalonia and the rest of the regions of Spain.
Madrid was the last city captured by the fascist army.
Barcelona won more Copas del Generalísimo (current Copa de Rey) than Real Madrid. If Franco favoured Real Madrid why Barcelona won more Cups than Real Madrid during the dictatorship? Franco himself handed the Cup to the winner of Copa del Generalísimo.
Di Stefano belonged to River Plate and Millonarios. Barcelona reached a deal with River Plate, and Real Madrid with Millonarios. The FIFA took a Solomonic decision. He would play one year for each club. Barcelona prefered to sell their rights instead of "sharing" Di Stefano with Real Madrid.
Kubala played for Barcelona because Franco helped them to sign him. He later used Kubala as anti-communist propaganda.
Franco helped Barcelona when the club was bankrupt in 1951 and 1965.
Franco also helped Barcelona to build Palau Blaugrana and Palacio de Hielo. He was named President of honor of both buildings.
Franco was also awarded with FC Barcelona's gold medal for his benevolence towards the club.
These are facts, not gossip.
Thanks for sharing the truth 🙌
👏👏👏👏
This is the real story
Alucinante como intentan mentir los de Tifo Football.
Vaya crack eres
Who's here after 17/04/23 drama?
Last time I was this early this article originally appeared on the Athletic
Franco directly saved Barcelona from a total bankrupt revaluing their field for nothing just to save them. Also Barcelona win more national titles between leagues and cups during Franco's regime. When the war ended most of the regime more relevant personalities were direct supporters of Atlético de Aviación (old name of Atlético de Madrid). Millan-Astray a famous person in Franco's regime wanted to kill the famous Real Madrid president Santiago Bernabéu after he denies him to went to the stadium after a bad behaviour with a woman. Saddly Franco died on his bed and there weren't something like a team against the regime, Franco was cheered in Barcelona streets, same as in Madrid, Bilbao or Seville, everywhere, and every team due to the fear. Also the fact is that Madrid city fight 3 years against Franco with the Republican elites running to Valencia, with the famous phrase "No pasarán". These are facts that foreign people don't know, the history of Madrid as Franco's team was made by Barcelona during their early success to discredit the old European cups of Real Madrid, yes, Europe where Franco hadn't any power, there was were Madrid made the difference between us and Barcelona. Also in Di Stefano's case as Madrid bought the part of Millonarios and Barcelona the part of River Plate, the official solution was that he will play one year in Madrid and the other in Barcelona but Barcelona refuses and sold his part, but for example when signing Kubala (the main star of Barcelona in the 50s and a true football legend) Madrid also were there and in that case the solution were in favour of Barcelona.
Everyone can check this facts (maybe you'll need to know some Spanish for some of them).
True, history has been manipulated by Catalans as always by their oligarchy to create their ficticial and historical nosense state. They've manipulated historical archives from Valencia etc. It's not Catalan people fault by they have a strong nationalist propaganda that tends to victimice them always, I think it's kind of sad when the city of Barcelona was built with every Spaniard money during the Olympic Games and the Expos...
True, they start that false narrative since their early success, first to discredit Madrid old titles and second to victimize themselves so they could make independist propaganda around Europe while their golden generation (Messi, Xavi, Iniesta etc.) Sad, politics should be apart in football.
@@IvanHernandez-ws5xi That is another argument, but in football they don't have the reason at all
@@hervas4523 Yeah, same case, Di Stefano was the best player in his era and an Argentinian that brings glory to Madrid and his team was used by Franco to wash his image in Europe, same as Catalan government did with Barcelona and Messi best player in his era and also an Argentinian who brings glory to Barcelona.
@Mikel Garmendia true
Franco used Real Madrid to keep his popularity as high as possible. Just as any politician does now. Is insane to think Franco had any influence in Real Madrid’s success. Taking into considerarion the bad relationship the regime had with the rest of europe, he was an obstacle more than anything.
Yeah Madrid were victims of Franco’s financial favours that helped them be such a dominant team 🙄
@@kunalm15 financial aid?
as far as i know franco erased barca's debt and saved it from bankruptcy at that time so this team is still there today🤭
yes lets not mention the fact that fact that Franco saved them from bankruptcy in the 50's and had the biggest stadium in Europe built for them, also during the regime they were able to sign players like Kubala and Cruyff, lets also not forget that Barcelona are the only club in Spain to award Franco with two medals.
Not something they want to mention
One of my favourite video from Tifo.
In the 60s Real had Di Stefano,Puskas,Kopa and Gento
Wow
I wonder why they were successful
Ever thought they are seen as successful because of who they played for lol
Hmmmmmmm, must be the refs and franco- barca fan
@@fabiodoca3284nope the people he mentioned are the ones who started Madrid greatness they are the pioneers of this club
Franco blocked barcelona from siging di stefano
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No he didn't
The whole transfer saga was delt by FIFA
To put it as simply as possible
Di Stefano had a contract with two separate teams
And those two separate teams sold Di Stefano independently to Real and Barca
But then the question arose of who was the actual owner of Di Stefano and who's transfer is valid
It's something even FiFA couldn't fully decide
So the proposed he play half a season for each team for 3 years
The he would be full RM player,since that transfer was sewn as more valid
But Barcelona disagreed,and where payed money by RM for releasing there rights to the player
It's as simple as that
Stop dragging Franco into everything
People act like the guy was fully devoted to RM, it's not like the guy had a country to run or anything
FC Barcelona and Real Madrid CF have been always used by politicians and governors ( dictators or non dictators) in their own interests . For instance , Real Madrid was forced to remove the name "Real" from its name during the II Republic . Franco took advantage of course of Real Madrid because he saw that Real Madrid was the best team at the end of the 50s , but he would have done the same with FC Barcelona /Atletico de Madrid/Athletic Club if that was the case . Franco just needed something to show Spain to the rest of the world and to reaffirm his regime in Spain . In fact , during his dictatorship , Athletic Club was the most popular team in Spain because there were no foreigners playing in it and that was something applauded by the regime . But this is more than 50 years ago and the sad thing is that even today some politicians still use these 2 teams to earn votes .
This video i super biased. Cant believe how a great chanel like tifo football is capable of introducing information so evidently false as Franco saved FC Barcelona from bankruptcy and the leader of la Legion (Franco’s right hand), Millan-Astray openly supported Atletico de Madrid.
When did they say that Franco saved Barcelona from bankruptcy?
ndjk That is my point, they DID NOT mention such a relevant point.
MY PERSPECTIVE AS A MADRID NATIVE. I’m from Madrid and I can assure you most of the accusations of supposed favoritism towards Real Madrid are based on little to no evidence. Real Madrid had been the most successful team in Spain for years! Even during the Republic. What people got to understand is that success is the main of our values. It’s always been. Madrid’s always looking for the best players, and making the best economic decisions and gets along with the authorities and Madrids citizens. Sometimes you see players that come to Real as stars and struggle to get individual success due to the insane level of expectations from the fans, coaches, etc. We’re a team that’s used to win and failure is not an option. It’s hard for us the fans to see players struggle at Madrid and not get the recognition they deserve given the fact that we all know how good they are. Those core values simply aren’t present on most football teams, inside or outside of Spain. The partners represent what the club is and it’s mindset is usually passed down from generation to generation. So it’s no coincidence that Madrid is the most successful football team ever in history, let alone Spain, and it’s also no coincidence that the success brings up a lot of made up accusations, even today, most with no basis whatsoever, even though only during a few years the team was influenced by Franco’s regime.
That influenced time got you more trophies😆Even stealing players from other teams, assassinating Catalan Barcelona president
Again man TIFO has not even a been day since I made my last statement praising ur moves lately. Thank you for this one even tho u probably started a few arguments. Great videos!
There was a similar story in Portugal with Benfica and Salazar (a dictator). Basically he wanted Benfica to be a great club so it could gather prestige and reputation for Portugal in European competitions.
It wasn't uncommon for Benfica games to last until they scored the winning goal: even if the game had more 2 hours of injury time! (usually the ref would start giving up red cards to the other team)
source? trust me bro?
Real Madrid didn't win La Liga during the first 13 years of Francos dictatorship, so the answer is NOPE.
That is because how good Barca was. Barca was miles ahead of Madrid in sporting aspects. Ofcourse Barca will not all of a sudden forget playing. It takes a long time to bring such a huge club down.
They literally won 3-4 in his first 13 yrs😭😭😭
Simple answer, Di Stéfano signing.
@@saviobenitez4710 Athletic Bilbao was the best team during those 13 years, so that isn't even true, Atletico Madrid, Valencia, Ath Bilbao, Barcelona and Sevilla all won La Liga before Real Madrid.
check out the newspapers of Spanish football from 1950s-1960s
Barca fans emotional investment impairs their perception to such a degree that they seek opinions such as theirs to validate their beliefs. Franco was in war for 4 years with the people of Madrid, and he cleared all the debts of Barca helping them build the infrastructure of their stadium too. History is so much modified in our days, by people who just want to push their narative forward
Brilliant video. Great content. The nuance is on a different level. I wanted to add that the assassination of Barcelona's president, Josep Sunyol, came when he crossed over from the republican to the nationalist side in Madrid, and the Real Madrid president himself at the time, Rafael Guerra, who rejected Franco was exiled to France. I urge all to read Sid Lowe's book mentioned in the video "Fear and Loathing in La Liga". As a Madrid fan for 20 years and a staunch antifascist, it had me in tears.
The fact that there were nationalist and republican areas in Madrid reflected on the fact that the biggest battles of the civil war in Spain were in Madrid. There was less fighting in other areas which also acted as places of refuge, not just fighting. Vicente Del Bosque's parents were left-wing trade unionists and his father was imprisoned for 3 years in one of Franco's prison camps. Just a small titbit in Sid's great book.
This is strongly biased, I would not recommend it to anyone who want to learn about this topic. Incorrect facts, relevant facts omitted, and lots of misinformation.
In the 3-0 story they left out how the referee under the pressure of the huge crowd of Les Cortes that was never seen before, my dad who lived in that era told me the story, they made alot dubious decisions that marked the game in Barcelona's favour. Read the papers of the era and what they say and some of the comments of the players concerning that game. The fans showed up on Chamartín with whissels in protest of what had gone down in that first match. This video is well done but shows very little insight on the subject, they don't mention how Franco wiped clean Barcelona's large debt they had for the construction of Camp Nou, which left them on the verge of bankruptcy, as well as how he appointed all the directors of all the clubs on Spain, including Barcelona not only Madrid. How before DiStefano, Franco arranged the paper work to nationalize (something unheard of at that time) Kubala so Barcelona could sign the best player in the world at the moment. How it took Madrid 15 years since his take of power to win the first domestic trophy, how he dismantled the RM team claiming the players were from the red side of the conflict. In his years of power Barcelona won more national trophies than RM, which proves that he didn't favor RM, a man with his strong hold of the country wouldn't have done such a bad job if that was the case. Also how Barcelona commemorated him not once but twice with their gold medal of Honor, one awarded as late as 1971, and which he held until only a few years ago. RM were lucky the European Cup came into play because Franco could not manipulate in European soil because Franco at that moment was favoring teams like Barcelona and Bilbao using them as a propaganda tool to keep those conflict zones somewhat happy and controled. When RM started winning in Europe he obviously took advantage of the media that came with it and used it to his favor. He also didn't come into play with the DiStefano signing, that was arbitrated by a FiFa.
Barcelona pulled back because they had wanted DiStefano as a replacement for Kubala who had contracted Tuberculosis, and they thought he would never be able to play again, but once recovered, and after a bad year from DiStefano they pulled out.
We have to understand the situation lived on that era no one could oppose Franco, but that doesn't change the fact that history shows that Franco didn't favour RM over Barcelona.
Every regime uses football (and other sports) to their benefit... What I find impossible to explain from Franco's influence conspiracy theories is how Real Madrid won 5 European Cups in a row. I can't see how Franco would influence the rest of european football federations and institutions in order to get that amazing achievement.
I'd say even more, simply by watching that team playing, everyone would realize that they were the best team.
Besides, Franco's regime supported Catalonia and Basque Country, the regime made possible for those regions to develop economically and that's why they're the 2 richer spanish regions now. Nationalists of course have another discourse, but after all, Camp Nou was built thanks to Franco.
So, what did the dictator was just taking political advantage from football, he knew it was the most effective opium of the people, and he tried to push it specially on the most important and populated regions of Spain. There's nothing misterious or conpiranoic about that, it's classic politics there
Yep. Just typical resentment and jealousy from other teams as usual.
You're just the typical Fascist so...
It's simply. You ignore the European campaign launched by Delegación Nacional de Deportes on 1956 which Real Madrid was part of that propaganda as Benfica did in Portugal. Real Madrid was the European Cup founder. And the Spanish Association was the most(and still) important at the time at Uefa. Just see all irregularities happened during that European Cup editions. Before the robbery of Di Stéfano Real was a decadent team on Bernabeu's management. Its only when the Regime intervined on Di Alfredo robbery when they started to win and regime swapped Atlético to support Real. Its so Fascist to say Catalonia and Basque were supported by Franco since The Spanish Republic government moved to Barcelona during the war... And they are not rich thanks to Franco. They became richer when the Industrial revolution centuries ago but Fascists like you are ignorants and liars. It's all the time your narrative the Franchoist crap. Camp Nou was built with the members funds not like Bernabeu stadium paid with public funds as it was conceived as a National stadium.
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I just saw a facist on Facebook. They tried to deny that they were but it's so obvious isn't it ?
@@billycorgan3934 You're as d**b as it possibly somebody can be. The prove is that you come here calling fascist to everybody and speaking nonsense about the influence of Real Madrid and Franco in european football and the myth of Di Stefano robbery. You don't understand anything. Di Stefano wasn't robbed, he was an employee of Millonarios. There's nothing more to say. The player rights belonged to Millonarios, Barcelona made a mistake asking to River Plate. Di Stefano wasn't a River Plate player. It's not that difficult to understand, it's kindergarten level. You get it? the guy was property of a colombian club named Millonarios de Bogotá. End of story...
and then you started to talk rubbish about the narrative of francoist crap and all. First of all, the 'narrative' is called History and it's not a tale narrated. Secondly, it's not a tale told because there's documents, proofs regarding that issue. Catalonia region was economically important and Franco and his regime pushed economics there because it was the rational thing to do. That includes promoting good relationships with local burgueoisie and, amongst other issues, pushing football, so Francoist regime procceed to built Nou Camp. You understand now? It's a FACT, it's not debatable...
And you can keep to yourself your "narrative" and all that post-modern crap language, and start to study History a little...
Franco was a President of Honor of FC Barcelona. And they won more Cups of "el generalísimo" so. That can give You an idea
So many things left unsaid in this video, as usual.
Don't care what anyone says. They were the 1st club to offer help after the munich air disaster to United.
Read : A Tale of Two Cities: Manchester United & Real Madrid 1957-1968.
They even offered to loan Di Stefano to us for a season.
Always have a soft spot for Real Madrid except for whenever they play us.
You couldn't be more wrong. Franco team was Atlético Aviación (now Atlético de Madrid), but it is true that Franco like any other politic tried to make other's victories his victories and tried to use real madrid for propaganda. Also, wasn't Barcelona the last stand against Franco in the civil war, neither Basque country, it was actually Madrid, and Madrid suffered more deaths by the fascists that any other region in Spain.
Sport and rivalry between Real Madrid and Barcelona have been there for ever, but it is just sport rivalry. Politicians are using these teams for propaganda, even changing the real history of the events. And many people, like you Tifo Football, had fallen into that a of lies and believed the story you just told in this video. These are probably the best teams in the world, and given many of the most exciting matches in the football history, let them just play and enjoy watching them play, don't mix sport and politics, but if you do check first.
Nah, bro. Wake up.
The signing of Di Stefano says everything.
Please do a video on why Real Madrid's Galacticos failed
Becoz perez sold maklele
The only clubs that were really negatively affected by Franco were the basque clubs... The rest have little or no case
Madrid was Francos team and franco saved Barcelona from going broke twice... Interesting.
The Barcelona president Laporta accused the same few years ago, and the Real Madrid's reply was a long video containing multiple footages of the Catalans and Franco, Barcelona and Laporta had been real quiet after this
After the super league and all Real Madrid is the most hated club by UEFA and there are still people who thinks Uefa support Real Madrid
They've got no other logic to explain why Real Madrid achieved this much success, they wish to believe themselves these stories are real because of their jealousy
4:51 not the last time Barcelona would bottle a 3-0 lead
Have some shame murderers
Great time to watch this video
0:13 why is the sponsor Fly Themirates?
Is it maybe because of copyright?
@Doge No, its because of copyright.
@@user-fy1eg2mf8h It isn't because of copyright it's because they're not going to make free advertising to a multimillionaire company
Can we get a video explaining the history and culture of Atletic Bilbao? Would love to know more about that,
Saying that fans still see El El Clásico as a fight between Spanish centralism and regionalism is a reasoning too adventurous. Maintaining that RM has always been the favorite of governors is even more foolhardy. By the way, it’s well known in Spain that FCB was saved from bankrupt by Franco in the 50’s, just the time when Santiago Bernabéu changed RM history by setting talent and excellence as the club’s principles.
When Franco died RM had 6 UCL cups more than FCB. At present, 45 years later, that gap is even bigger!
The gap is bigger due to The refrees tho Madrid should've never won those 3
and that has Nothing to with that era anyway
@@arianmasumi6607 keep crying barka dogs. 13>>>>>5
Now the Porto fans will demand the same video about Benfica and Salazar.
Football in 1943 was played with formations like 1-2-7 and 2-3-5, so the likelihood of a game being 11-1 after a 3-0 game for the other team is much greater than it would be today.
Yeah and if barca can win 6-1 after lossing 4-0 against psg in modern football then why cant 11-1 happen in 1943
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Barca players was mostly professional meanwhile RM players mostly amateur players whose main occupation was farmer,Painter,constructer they played football as their part time job that's why the result was suspicious and surprising
@@elhachem4326that a lie I all the real players were pro if the braca pro why didn't they win the 5 ucls in a row
Leaving key details out, such as Franco sending key industries to help catalonia and basque country rebuild, as well as him bailing out barcelona for the construction of the camp nou. Franco didn’t even like football, was just politically savvy
This is true. I love Tifo but sometimes I wonder if there are agendas involved as certain important details and facts are omitted to fit a narrative. Just want to see fair analysis...and I prefer Barcelona to Real 😂.
David Clinging sad to see someone get carried away and blinded by your hooligan eyes. Read about how textile and iron industries grew artificially in those regions in the Spanish state of autarky, and impeding other regions to compete. He hated the catalans right? That’s why international expos in Spain could only be held in Catalonia or Valencia from 1943 until way past his death! He hated the radical, secessionist ideologies these regiona had but boosted their productivity. The south has better mining resources but no let’s start that up in the basque country. Keep living in your fantasy world of conspiracy theories and ignore the historical facts...
David Clinging ah yes the old “you disagree with me, hence you’re a fascist”, should update your repertoire for next time
David Clinging cry me a river
Well Barca dominated the Copa del Generalísimo (CDR now) in Franco's years... Really doubt that if he really the one pulling strings in spanish football, he would allow a catalan club to win a cup that named after his title
Similar dynamic to FCPorto and SLBenfica
podemos mesmo dizer que à escala, o benfica é o real madrid e o porto, o barcelona.
@@DB-lo1iy Definitivamente. Apesar de muita gente não perceber essa vertente socio-económica do clássico. A cultura do Porto também se faz por oposição ao centralismo lisboeta (vê-se por exemplo no "quem não salta é lampião" em todos os jogos)
Gonçalo Ribeiro sim, não querendo menosprezar o enorme clube que é o FCP, sente-se o complexo de inferioridade tal como do barcelona para com o real madrid. penso também que é justo neste momento comparar o sporting de braga ao atlético de madrid.
@@DB-lo1iy hmm, interessante. Sim, creio que pode haver uma vitimização por parte adeptos do FCP (nos quais me incluo) relativamente ao Benfica. Acho que essa vitimização até se tem acentuado recentemente por causa de situações extra desportivas: caso dos túneis, etoupeira, opa, dinâmica com o Jorge Mendes...De qualquer forma ser anti "regime" implica logo uma situação de inferioridade.
Quanto ao Braga, acho que a comparação só é valida em termos desportivos, mas não sei muito sobre o Braga
Gonçalo Ribeiro aprecio sempre um adepto imparcial. é importante reconhecer que não há clubes santos e que o meu benfica, não é exceção. muitas das queixas dos adeptos portistas são fundamentadas tal como algumas dos benfiquistas.
relativamente ao braga, é mesmo a nível desportivo. a nível histórico seria o sporting mas pela falta de nível competitivo atual, não me parece comparável.
Actually Barcelona was the club that wins more leagues in Franco Dictatorial Period, Franc9 only use Madrid as a example of the spanish superiority afther they won the 5 cups of europe.
Franco hate the Monarchy so he forced all clubs that had the word "real" in his name to take it away.
But the club for which Franco professed his love was the Atletico de Madrid.
Franco was a monarchist lmfao
@@archie8984 how, when he literally groomed Juan Carlos into being his successor lmao. then, Juan Carlos betrayed him and switched to monarchy.
Yes and even with Perez, the corruption continues. Don’t know how people could blast at Juventus Man United and Barcelona but no one bats an eye at Real Madrid. They had a dictator lining the league and titles for them. Kids that hop on the bandwagon don’t even realize this dirty history.
This has to be one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever read in my life, congrats!
Franco was in power for almost 40 years and Real Madrid outnumbered the trophies won. But hey, in almost 40 Barça won 8 titles so they must be wrong, even after the whole board being killed by a firing squad, forcing the club to change its name, forcing the club to not use Catalan symbols or language, forbidding Barça fans to gather on the streets or club's buildings with the exception of the stadium in match days, the Di Stefano transfer, the 11-1. This is all a product of pure imagination, right?
Exactly. Glad someone here actually knows the facts.
@@amateurtoyhunter7513 The president of Barca being assassinated as well
Highly doubt Franco liked Madrid considering the fact that Madrid was the team of the republic, in the civil war they openly contributed with bonds and the wood of their stadium was used for trenches. Also when the civil war was over the mayority of players and the president were killed for helping the republic
my question to farsa supporters if franco favored real madrid where the hell was he in 1940 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 where barcelona athletic bilbao sevilla where winning the league and cup madrid didn't starting winning till Di stefano and why were someof the founders of RealMadrid were catlan (padron brothers) and why did franco loan money to barcelona to construct the nou camp and refused Madrid any loans to construct the bernabeu?
Wild guess, he was focused on other things since it was post revolution and WWII was going on. Anyway, yeah, Di Stefano, who became a Madrid player because a Franco appointed minister said the two clubs had to share the player and Barcelona rightly refused to do so. Di Stefano is the main point if you actually know what you're talking about.
@@amateurtoyhunter7513 Look into the transfer of Kubala to Barcelona a few years before the di Stefano transfer. Similar story - just the opposite way around.
Spain was deep into shit in that time. People was harvested. And the European Cup was part of the regime's propaganda started at lates 50's and 60s. Madrid never was at same level like Barça. Its just when they robbed Di Stéfano to Barça when they started setting the European Cup. Why didn't they set this title during the 40s?
Madrid was founded at the beginning of the century so Franco didn't exist. You're repeating Franco's propaganda all the time. Camp Nou was built with member fees of several years in beforehand. In comparison with Santiago Bernabeu that was built with public taxes. Don't you see there was a dictatorship? Barça fought against Franco. Barça president was killed by fascists. Why Franco was going to pay anything to Barcelona?
@@billycorgan3934 You're not making much sense - obviously there was a dictatorship but how did Barça fight against the dictatorship? Their president was killed but it's a big club there were obviously many left -wing and many right-wing members. The club didn't fight the regime. Real Madrid had a left-wing president during the civil war too and he fled into exile. How could Madrid win the European Cup in the 40's - it didn't exist? The European Cup came into existence after di Stefano's signing which happened after. Kubala's signing for Barça which was also done with the help of Franco's government (as well as Barça's agent getting him drunk and telling he was in Madrid). How is it Franco's propaganda to say he didn't help Madrid? It would glorify him to say he created the best team in the world. Madrid have had a communist president since Franco died - when was the last time Barça had anything but a right-wing president?
@@darahensey6932 the club was managed by a politician from The Catalan government... So it makes no sense your argument... The club fought against Franco as most of the catalan people did. Why Fascists were going to kill president Sunyol if Barça wasn't an enemy? 😂
Because Real Madrid was a bullshit in the 40s so there was no reason to set any European Cup.. Do you understand? This Cup was just part of the regime's propaganda did like Soviet Union And Nazis did... Its simple. They created this tournament when they robbed Di Stéfano to Barça... You just repeat the Franco propaganda. Madrid had a communist president when Franco Died in 1975? Are you sick or ignorant?
During Franco Era
Number of La liga titles:
Real Madrid : 12 (5 runner ups)
Barcelona : 8(10 runner ups) - Only won it once in the history before his period
Atletico Madrid : 5 (5 runner ups)
Now lets look at any period in history after franco you will see similar ratio.
By statistics only team went down hill is 'Atletic Bilbao'
Unbelievable how you stick to the politically correct perspective, instead of digging deeper and trying to tell the truth. The statement that the circumstances around the 11-1 are only rumours.. that's ridiculous.
Rumours as in first hand accounts? Lol, come on
No, I meant the opposite. If they'd talk about the truth, they'd be called Barca fans. This perspective helps Tifo to remain neutral as they need to be in this totally commercialised football world. Othervise they risk to lose some Madrid fans which wouldn't help of course.
Another interesting and brilliant upload by Tifo Football.
Same thing applies to Benfica in Portugal.
Im a Rio Ave fan but thats just plain stupid
hmm funny how they didn't talk about the fact that Franco bailed out 3 times Barcelona FC from the brink of collapse and bankruptcy...doesn't sound like Real Madrid was Franco's team....
So can you explain distefano transfer?
Only did it to keep the rivalry alive. Everyone was a puppet of franco
the answer is yes 🙂
Christine I disagree.
In your opinion
During Franco’s regime, Real Madrid did won more trophies then Barca, but not with a big advantage I think Madrid won 21 national titles and Barca 20. Also in during the regime 98 clásicos were played. Real won 43 Barca 39 and 16 draws. On thing that they don’t mention is that Franco was honor by Barca’s president and helped them when they were having economic issues. That’s why I disagree.
Nyght Fëis only people who are incapable of complex thinking are naïve enough to believe that real madrid didn’t benefit from franco’s reign.
Christine well people who have a functioning brain and can analyze things can see that not only Madrid benefit but also Barcelona. If your brain is biased because it goes against everything you have seen or heard that’s your problem.
If anyone's having a bad day, cheer up by remembering Franco is still dead! :)
Viva Franco, y Viva España
@@isaac7364 Viva el proletario español, muerte al fascismo!
@@FJBF1998 Viva el único hombre capaz de poner en alto la patria Española
@@isaac7364 this is like a Hitler salute to the people whose grandparents were killed by his brutal dictatorship.🤔 Shame on you
@@isaac7364 visca la república!! Puta Espanya!!
Franco was an Atletico fan.
Just don't forget Sport Lisboa e Benfica and Salazar in Portugal. 3 titles for SLB and other for another club, then another 3 titles for SLB, etc...
Sporting?
@@geraldclydeabella3350 yes. Both clubs on the capital.
0:31 *What the fuck did I just hear?*
His dictatorship began when he took over Madrid, dude. This was a Civil War, it ended when he marched on the capital. Kinda makes sense, huh?
There's this Catalonian independence movement trying to twist this to make it look like a "Spain vs Catalonia" conflict, when in reality Madrid was the city that stood until the very end, even after your country recognized Franco's claim to the government as legitimate. You could have easily checked fucking Wikipedia instead some Catalonian nationalist friend you have on facebook for this information.
Visca el Barca ❤️💙🔥
are you terrorist?
REAL MADRID WAS NOT FRANCO’S team. It was Atletico Madrid, just look at the photos where they do the salute. Santiago Bernabéu (the president of Real Madrid) declined Franco’s financial help in order to build the club on their own. They hated Franco. Real Madrid’s previous president was also killed and most of the staff was in jail or dead. You bring all these “facts” without any argument. This is just Catalan propaganda, there was no thing as such “one of Franco’s henchmen talked to the team in order to lose the next match”. Barcelona won more Copa Del Rey trophies during Franco’s period, yes the King’s cup, so how was Real Madrid Franco’s team?.Alfredo Di Stefano’s transfer is much more complicated, FIFA proposed to both teams that Di Stefano could play one season at Real M. and one at Barca, but the Catalan club declined so. There was also controversy with the transfer of Kubala, he had also been supposed to join Real Madrid. Also, FC Barcelona have given 2 medals to Franco, in order to thank him for his funding of the Camp Nou stadium. So who in reality is Franco’s team? I have read the book that you mentioned, but it looks like you haven’t even read one page. This video doesn’t look one bit like the book, instead, looks like the Facebook fan pages, where they spread false information.
Tifo is far-left wing and the same are catalans
@@ankanmaiti9864 it's the complete opposite lol they are the far-right the madrid dictatorship is the left wing.
Hahahaha catalans left wingers? Hahahahaha
@@ankanmaiti9864 lmao people criticizing Franco are now considered "Far Left Wing"?
And still manage to win 7 Champions League in the last 25 without Franco
Yess Hala Madrid 💜
25 years how about 45 years.
@@kyleselby4970 still way greater than barkalona
PAC HUNTER69 How explain?
@@kyleselby4970 what kind of a barka dog are you? 😂 Don't you even know how many UCLs your club has..
Hint: 13>>>>5.
There's no real evidence of an advantage. Especially considering Real Madrid didn't even win a league title for 14 years under Franco, not to mention Barcelona won more Copa Del Rey's in that whole time . That doesn't mean Franco didn't give them an advantage, but if he did, he was pretty awful at it.
What is it with these selective stats? Why bring up a small portion of his reign "specifically 14 years" and not the entire period he was in power? Clearly a dictator has more things to do than help his favourite team win the league. Him not obsessively rigging everything in favour of Madrid isn't evidence he didn't do it. Real Madrid still won more league titles during his reign than any other club (13 times).
@@amrahmed7856 How do you not comprehend what I said? There was a 14 year stretch under Franco's power where Real Madrid didn't win a league title, my point is that if he was that influential , they wouldn't have gone that long without a title. That's it, no "selective" stats, just pointing out something that blatantly gets left out. But hey, you want more stats? Franco was in power during 36 seasons, Real Madrid won 14 during that time, which makes up less than half of the winners during his regime . So yeah, I'm not so sure he had that much power
I love your videos, you are one of my favourites channel but I have to say something about this one.
First of all sorry for my English....
I am Spanish and I not agree whit this legend, because it is only that, a legend.
The dictator Franco won the war in 1939, and since then until 1956 Real only won 2 leagues, if Franco was a Real Supporter why let Real lose all these year?
The Real´s victories weren´t because Franco, They were because Di Stefano, he changed the history of football in Spain.
Santiago Bernabeu (president of Real Madrid) was a declared enemy of franco since war times.
More facts, in 1965 Franco payed the Barcelona debt (230 millions of pesetas) and they could build th new stadium.
Thre is no doubt that Franco used the succesful of Real in Spain and Europe as political propaganda but Real never use Franco to win.
In this legend there are more politicals than football, because in Spain some Independence parties are all the time looking for put the State as a devil and them as a victims.
Madrid was the first state owned club. They've always had advantages over others
In other news, water is wet and the sky is blue