Personally I think Piccolo's new form was the right choice for his character, as a Namekian, his history is tied to Namek and the Dragon Balls. Through out Z, we see him gain power by accepting it from others, merging with Nails, and then merging with his other side, Kami. This was how a Namekian grows and gets stronger. So using the Dragon Balls, something intrinsic to the Namekian people to grant him more power is in line with how Namekians are. Their strength comes from bestowing it onto others. I kind of like that honestly, in a world of raging=new forms, a form granted through wishes is refreshing honestly... can't say the same for Beast Gohan though lol.
That’s an interesting take that I wish I had considered before. I mean, I liked the transformation in the movie because Super manga had been dropping lore about the dragonballs being rewards for noble Namekian warriors previously, but to see it as a natural extension of Namekian strength being gained due to selflessness and sacrifice makes it even richer. If you think about it, Piccolo had to endure a lot to be deemed worthy of it. He had to swallow his pride and offer help where he could to others. By being the “joke” who was relegated to the sides as a teacher to the other stronger fighters, and accepting that role rather than resenting it, Piccolo becomes a giver who offers himself for the greater good. He becomes what Nail and Kami were to him, and because he’s a warrior willing to sacrifice not just his life but also his image, he is rewarded by the dragon with great power.
@@edwardmyers9492 I'm just pointing out that Beast Gohan was just another rage=new form, I'm sorry if I offended you, I have bias for Piccolo as just like Toriyama, he is my favourite DBZ so I already analyse his character in depth to form an opinion of him. I don't dislike Beast Gohan mind you, I just dislike how he was utilised for the movie, I'm sure given more time and in depth research into Gohans character as I have for Piccolo, I can form a better opinion on Beast Gohan, but as it stands now I just see it as just another form with nothing particularly interesting to say. It's the same feeling I got with Future Trunk's form the anime that name escapes me right now.
@@edwardmyers9492 Thats exactly what Im saying, I need to re read the manga again and write down my thoughts If I want to give more in depth opinions on the other characters as I have for Piccolo, but he's not the only one that I do this for, Vegeta is my 2nd favourite character and I can say as much about him as I do for Piccolo. Too many people talk about the series without refreshing their memory about the series and its characters, I acknowledge that it was brash of me to say beast gohan has no substance, I believe there is something there I just need to look into it more. Thanks for giving your opinion and making me realize that comments that like that doesn't contribute to further discussion and dissection for character writing.
My head canon has always been that Kami influenced Piccolo’s subtle personality change in Buu and beyond. The goofy expressions, the more moral lectures, fear of stronger opponents, etc it’s all behavior Kami has been shown doing.
I wouldn’t really call it a head canon, he got all of Kami’s memories. Just like he develops a strong namekian pride as he fuses with nail he gains wisdom and a greater sense of morality from Kami’s memories
I've always thought this. I especially think it was Kami's influence on Piccolo that led to him forfeiting against Shin. Also Piccolo's defeatest attitude at the Cell Games and lack of belief in Gohan - it reminds me a lot of how Kami acted at the Budokai tournament when Goku faced Piccolo Jr.
Piccolo wasn't fumbled, he just evolved. He lost his reasons for the grudge, was forced to be an ally for so long he became a real one, then he went through two fusions including his better half - making it completely impossible to ever be the Piccolo we saw before again. He really isn't even Piccolo anymore, he's the 'nameless namekian, child of katas'.
Your POV is brilliant, I admit. But, it's stated clearly that he's mainly the same : namekian fusion is just adding power level and memories. The truth is more likely that he has been sacrificed for the sake of the Vegeta / Goku duo. Like the rest of the team
His character direction wasn't the problem, it was just how little relevance he had afterwards. The saiyans were able to train and get much stronger, but Piccolo and the humans remained stagnant up until recently where they tried to fix it.
Which makes a great character. This narrator is clearly a fan of the show but not exactly an insightful critic. Ranting about king piccolo's arc when he was just a villain who did villain shit from start to finish.
@@BvLeePiccolo was never stagnant. Every time we see him, he’s stronger than the last time we saw him. It’s just that the gap between him and the Saiyans is too wide.
8:48 the answer is Stoicism. Piccolo is the calmest member of the Z Fighters. Also, I don't think a rageful Namekian followed by two rageful Saiyans would've help the story.
Yea I really like him w Pan, that wholesome relationship was really nice to see, I want him to be like Grandpa Gohan was to kid Goku for Pan. He should be the one to train the new generation that Goku kept blabbering about during the Buu Saga but also keeping with the Goku and Vegeta.
Piccolo has always been my favourite character since DB. Piccolo is the all-rounder, strength, intelligence, techniques, and development, and has the capability to kill off protagonists before shit got real. But they started nurfing him after the Cell saga. Piccolo vs 17 definitely was and still is my favourite fight.
People talk about vegeta “replacing” piccolo but you have to remember that goku drops everything for a new toy. Yamcha, krillin, tien, piccolo, vegeta, broly, hit, Jiren. Man will completely abandon his friends and rivals for the newer model every time🏎️
@@DoctorMario606 eh, I guess. Kinda feels like he’s dragged around as goku’s smack talking, tsundere, “second fiddle” in case he wants to warm up his opponent, take a senzu snack break, or whip out a fusion. It was a nice idea to have him branch out with some “unique powers” but functionally nothing has changed. He’s in the same ballpark in power but always a step behind when it matters. He canonically beat goku one time OFF-SCREEN in training and holds that as his sole W in the whole series. They legitimately cannot visualize vegeta walking his talk💀
It's more like, Goku wants to be the strongest and once he beats a strong opponent, he looks for a new challenge to overcome. He doesn't "drop" Piccolo, he beats him in the tournament and then just kinda moves on. He doesn't fixate on Vegeta once he shows up, because he's stronger. If anything, Vegeta got replace with Frieza, then Cell, then Buu, then Beerus People need to be more honest, Toriyama chose to replace Piccolo with Vegeta via screen-time because Vegeta was stronger and his character arc was not yet complete. That wasn't Goku's choice
@@KSmanderes it was a conscious choice of the toriyama to not give other characters screen time when for example, piccolo was still actively in his own arc. I say “drop” because rather than continuing to develop the unique abilities, arcs and struggles of all the characters over like 40 years of story, they tried roiding up tien, piccolo, roshi, krillin, gohan, etc etc etc with ass pull power ups that none of them have been working on to suddenly be back in the ball park. we haven’t had a single frame of any of them training for like 2 decades (and actually have explicitly been told most of them basically gave up as warriors after goku surpassed them which is one of the limpest element of the dragon ball story.) Goku is the protagonist, I generally expect him to be stronger. Doesn’t mean every character he beats needs to fall to obscurity in the story by the next panel and be treated like they can’t also get stronger
At least Piccolo remained relevant a lot longer than some others. For a bit, he managed to have a foothold in the era of "if you ain't a Saiyan, you ain't shit". But, well, he wasn't a Saiyan, so he lost even that. But he never, ever dropped as low as Yamcha, a character so forgotten that he's just trotted out for the memes or Tien, a man who trains the whole of his life and his greatest post 22nd Tenka-Ichi Budoukai moment is nearly dying to Semi-Perfect Cell, all so that Krillin could piss it all away because he didn't want to keep it in his pants.
People always forget that namekian fusion doesnt erase the fused entity. Nail and Kami are inside him and can think separately feom piccolo. A few times they show it off but that is such a squandered character trait. Hes three fighters in one, he should be able to out think everyone
@TheAzulmagia I always thought that meant he was just passenger in the body but still aware. When the kami stuff happened I assumed it was the same but sense kami was og half he got to be more free inside. If piccolo wanted to talk to nail he'd just have to meditate or focus or allow nail some agency
17 was never stronger than 18 he did kill more people in the future timeline but they was always equal and he currently is stronger but not massively stronger due to the cell junior training in the manga
@@G-GhostedI don’t think 17 was equal to 18. Just in the same realm of power, rather than 16 who is much more powerful than either of them. I think it comes down to their personalities. In dragon ball z, 17 was a cocky guy that believed he was the strongest fighter in the entire universe. He clearly valued strength more than anything else back then. The other androids didn’t care about fighting and power the way 17 did in Z
@@G-Ghosted 17 and 18 are very close in power, but 17 is a bit stronger. By the time of Super, 17 is well beyond her. I don't know why that's the case. I think it's more interesting if they're even. But it is what it is.
Throughout the original DBZ series, we had more time with Piccolo than anyone else. He was the heavy hitter through all of the Frieza saga until Goku returned. He was keeping everything together through the Cell saga, and had the best fight of the series against Android 17, until the Saiyans returned. He saved the entire world during Dragonball Superhero from another Cell catastrophe. He has the best special in the whole series, the Special Beam Cannon. He trained the strongest Saiyan in the series, Gohan(shut up, Broly stans, no one cares about your last place Saiyan.) Piccolo is the GOAT.
I just hope after his new Piccolodeon form he will become a lot more relevant. Toriyama was last quoted as saying Piccolo is now "on par with Goku and co." so it sounds like he's strong enough to compete with the Saiyan's for the first time since he merged with Kami. If he's "on par" with the others, he's definitely way above blue level. People say he's way below; I disagree.
Piccolo fought imperfect Cell after fusing with kami and basically won. Piccolo play a major role in android/cell saga. He once again surpass the saiyans till they enter time chamber. Buu saga he basically drop out.
Sounds like the issue is really piccolo's power scaling since he should have been way more powerful than he was. As post nail and kami fusion his base potential was already above freiza meaning he should have been able to unlock orange and super piccolo much sooner as original pre kami split was a being that powerful The wish was fine. It was a great scene that was the original namakian lore of a warrior getting all the dragon balls. Piccolo regained the power kami put into sheron and dende finally became the true guardian making shenron his dragon. If we go by freizas potential in F. Piccolo could have been on par with the top cast on base being the best namakian with only two fusions under his belt. Orange piccolo was late but it was a welcome add to his power and character
Cell would have definitely been dead if it was Piccolo instead of 16. There would have been no dragging of the fight, no torture. He was ending it immediately. Or even if it was Piccolo that spoke to SS2 Gohan instead of Goku trying to tell him to finish it.
Piccolo should have been kept as the 3rd/4th strongest, consistently creeping behind Goku/Vegeta/Gohan but instead of being the best martial artist, or having raw power, or being a prodigy, he should be utilizing different techniques and strategies, living to the name of Demon King.
Considering the development of Piccolo was to let him go away from being this "existence to hate" to realize he is more than just that, I'm really happy that Toriyama stayed consistent with him and didn't let him fall back to that existence in the Namek Saga.
No way would I have had him die versus Perfect Cell. More like he is winning against Semi-Perfect Cell until Vegeta comes as relief. Vegeta hears that Cell can become Perfect, and prevents a worn down Piccolo from finishing the job. As for Frieza, Goku had no business being the one to stop him. Piccolo and Vegeta had much more story appropriate reasons to be The Guy. Perhaps they team up to do it. Would've been cool.
How does a piccolo who can go toe to toe against semi perfect cell let him eat 17 to begin with? I think piccolo should have taken on 17 and 18 together to begin with and is somewhat warn down by the time cell shows up. Cell just manages to beat them, but is really fucked up by the end of the fight (I think it goes in line well with that version of cell having to struggle and earn his wins rather than steamrolling just because he gobbled some earthlings). 16 went off to kill goku this whole time and isn’t a factor until after cell becomes semi perfect.
I didn't grow up with Dragon Ball, and it wasn't until just now I watched the whole series. Piccolo is by far my favorite character, and seeing what they did to him in Super is just so frustrating. I'm hoping that he'll be shown more love, especially after the 2022 film. He's such an awesome character and I really wish we saw more of him
Hot take but I think sunsetting Goku is the way to go. Goku has no real aspirations outside of fight the next big bad. Vegeta has promise as a destroyer. Both could make cameos, but yeah. Lemme get to my point. Piccolo and Gohan should take over, though mostly Piccolo for this idea as I haven’t thought of an arc for Gohan. With Frieza’s return it gives Piccolo a second shot at facing what happened on Namek, what Frieza did. With Frieza’s new found power he goes around re-conquering the universe even quicker and more brutally than before. The arc follows Piccolo as he liberates planets and gains strength that’s bestowed upon him by those he helps and mentors along the way. Saiyans gain strength through taking and ‘violent’ themed methods. Namekians get it through more self-sacrificial and selfless methods with a theme on giving. With all this in mind, the emphasis could be less on the fighting and more so on a deep story deserving of Piccolo’s rich history and calm character. Then when the fights happen, it’s all out balls to the wall with all tension built toward unleashing in a crescendo of action. And the final confrontation ends with none other than Frieza himself. But that’s just a massive wish. Piccolo is still my favorite character to this day. ❤
Considering Piccolo Jr is the reincarnation of King Piccolo, you can think of Piccolo's toned down personality as character growth, since that rebirth brought back his potential for good that he lost when the nameless Namekian split up.
One of the throw away gags about piccolo is that during the first daimaoh fight the great demon king calls Goku a piece of ant shit, then goku calls him a piece of slug shit. Slug is “namekuji”. That’s literally where the species of the Nameku-seijin (Namekian) comes from. During the Freeza saga Kuririn and Gohan drops the character for star/planet and starts calling them Namekujin which sound almost like Namekuji.
I’m sorry but 17 is extremely popular, I don’t know where you’re getting that 18 is more popular. Also he was the strongest known Android up to that point
I'm hoping this new Orange Piccolo form is the beginning of something new for him. Like maybe he just needed a little boost and now that he's gotten one he'll be able to tear down that wall and unlock many more transformations all on his own.
Piccolo was my favorite growing up because the first episodes I watched were in the Android saga on through the Cell saga. Then I saw his saga in dragon ball before ever seeing the Freida saga so to me he was the goat.
Man i prefer the other piccolo speech to goku with falconer music. Goku doubts himself for the first time in that saga but then realizes he was right again lol
I love him as a character perfect level of edge and caring best God Father in all of anime if the characters he fought didn't go to next transformation we wouldn't need Goku or one of his sons love you Big Green
@KallmeKnicK I started as a Gohan fan but ended as a vegeta fan because his character has way more depth while being savage. But you pointed out that piccolo was the voice of reason. Too bad he doesn't have a movie to solidify his past. And they did get sloppy with his character development. But I feel the same for master roshi. So much untapped history.
Piccolo was awesome from beginning to Gotenks and a little GT. His usefulness as a fighter was done mostly. Also the falconer music and speech was so much better imo. Grew up on it thats why, but also more dramatic
Yeah not sure where the 17 hate came from. They went to pretty great lengths in the story to show that the android TWINS are essentially a perfect PAIR. If we really get into the weeds, 18 has never shown any interesting techniques (usually copying krillin’s moveset of all things) whereas 17 makes brilliant use of his inherent abilities to create an energy barrier that can be maintained indefinitely. 18 legitimately just dogged a much weaker vegeta, kissed krillin’s cheek, and got gobbled. 17 was out there putting in the work
@@Wolfen_Argent based on performing just as good as one another in any showing?? Again, the series was pretty damn clear that they are the “twin threat”. Not 17 and his back up dancer😂
Ok so unfortunately piccolo arrived at namek as a earth born Namekian with no exposure to even his race besides is (ex) nemesis, Kami whom he never cared much for ever so far. Finally he grew up alone as well and was an isolationist. Maybe if he had more time to forge a deeper connection like with gohan.
Piccolo does have a transformation. He’s able to become a giant. I was actually hoping back in the Namek saga, after he said that he was confident in his speed that he was going to transform. That coupled with his training and meditation, I thought he had been working on his speed and sensory skills to make up for what he may be lacking in after he transforms and becomes larger and stronger by default. Therefore making himself well-rounded and harder to fight while being able to concentrate on other compensatory skills in his training.
The real tragedy of Piccolo was losing Scott McNeil as his VA and getting Sabat. Scott perfectly captured that grit and bite that Piccolo needed in his voice acting, so intimidating sounding and he had swag too.
I love Piccolo, he's honestly the best character but the fact that he's so smart and serious is the reason it's hard to keep him at a high power level because he's the type of guy that would solve the problems immediately if he could. He's not going to let the enemies get stronger just for a good fight or fuck around. He still gets some really damn good lines tho, even if he's not at Gohan or Vegito levels and he can't face Cell or Buu he still plays a role outside fighting and that's better than plenty characters manage to. Glad he got the orange form tho.
Some development on Piccolo's fight avoidance in the Super Buu section of the arc. He was in possession of the Dragon Radar that entire time. He was simply Showing the maturity to prioritize the safety of the Dragon radar over his pride as a fighter during the Gotenks Battle. If the Dragon Radar got destroyed while fighting, then chances are Years would pass before finding the dragonballs, and Shenron can't revive someone if they had died over a year. All of Earths population would have been permanently cooked.
Not just Piccolo that has turned into a loony toons show but the whole series. Think of a storyline that really shows how characters fear for their lives and are really hurt and the viewers worry for them, and that same series has a lot of comedy gag moments in it as well. There’s actually quite a few like it (or at least there were many like that). DBS is not one of those series. Closest it can get is being a similar series but without any tension.
What we saw throughout DB and into DBZ is how bad can a person be who eventually makes a change to good. Yamcha, a simple desert bandit, was the beginning. Tien, an assassin in training, was the next step. Piccolo, when viewed as a reincarnation of Demon King Piccolo, added complexity, but once he was good, he was good. Heck when the Saiyans arrive there is no uneasy alliance, no "we better watch out for Piccolo". At that point, he was a good guy, further cemented when he fused with Nail and Kami. And lastly we have Vegeta. Vegeta was this trope of a bad guy gone good in its final form. There wasn't a "time passes, and he's good" moment like there was with Piccolo. Vegeta is a dick all throughout DBZ, even when he was an ally (not a good guy bear mind you). Even establishing some level of bonds between Vegeta and the others (through Bulma and Trunks) wasn't enough to make him a "good guy". And even when he was assumed such, we find out he has some last flickerings of evil in him (Majin Vegeta) which by the end of the Buu arc, burns out completely and is eventually considered "pure" for the SSJ God ritual. What's interesting is that Buu's journey is a simplification of Piccolo. Instead of the "Nameless Namekian"' ripping out his evil side (Demon King Piccolo) to want to do good (as Kami), Buu forces his evil side out to want to do evil. In the end both evil halves get reincarnated and even eventually those reincarnations as good absorb their original good halves. But Piccolo's journey is so much better than Buu's.
Saying fumbled on piccolo is wild, i love how he's progressed as the character going into super, as a matter of fact, he's one of few characters that have been consistent
Vegeta doesn't look down on Gohan because he's childlike, he looks down on Gohan because he knows that if Gohan applied himself He'd be stronger than Vegeta, and Vegeta thinks it's wasted potential.
Piccolos my favorite character to this day I got mixed feelings on his super transformation tho. It just looks goofy to me and it made it worse when he couldn't come up for a better name for the transformation
The problem with Piccolo and by extension any other DBZ character save for Goku and Vegeta is that they received their development early and kept being present for no value but a ruler to measure the bad guy's strength
13:12 "Piccolo has spent more time with Gohan, than Goku himself." Goku has spent way more time with Gohan both in and out of battle. Piccolo spent 6 months watching Gohan survive on his own, and 6 months training Gohan. Spent time in battle with Gohan against Nappa, but Gohan was too scared to do anything until after Piccolo died. Then there was the 3 years training in prep for androids.... and that's it. Piccolo didn't spend any time with Gohan outside of this. Gohan had barely seen Piccolo in the 1-2 years between Namek and Frieza/Goku coming back to Earth. Oh, I guess Gohan spent a few days on the lookout leading up to the Cell Games, and Piccolo was there. Goku raised Gohan for 4.5 years before Raditz showed up. Goku got to witness Gohan come in clutch against Vegeta. He got to witness Gohan making a stand against Ginyu in Goku's body (helping Goku to get his body back), and also could sense Gohan in battle against Frieza. Not to mention Goku relied on Gohan getting Piccolo and the others to the spaceship (not needed in the end after the wish, but Goku knew Gohan could be relied upon). They spent 3 years training for the androids and a further 9(?)months in the time chamber training for Cell. Piccolo assumed Gohan was scared to fight Cell. He wasn't. Gohan just didn't see the point in senseless fighting and was trying to reason with Cell. Mastered SSJ Gohan wasn't that fased by Perfect Cell at this point, even put Cell on his butt easily. Goku believed in Gohan and knew he had it in him to defeat Cell (even before he went SSJ2). And then when Gohan got injured thanks to Vegeta, Piccolo thought all was lost and that Cell was going to win. Goku from the aftelife knew Gohan was holding back. Goku told Gohan to stop holding back and the monent Gohan unleased his full power Super Perfect Cell was vapourised. While Piccolo was still thinking Gohan couldn't do it.
Many dont realize that its not piccolos home to him. Its a dofferent planet than home, even if his dad may have been originally from there, so freeza was a lesser personal thingnto him than others. Qlsonafter fusing woth nail, it wasnt his homeland to him
Piccolo did hate frieza for what he did to his people after he met nail. The issue is Piccolo was still learning about himself and his people so I think he was more of confusion mixed with hate and knowing he couldn't defeat Frieza as well.
They only issue is when they don't power scale him. At the end of the Cell Saga, he was keeping up with SSVegeta. He trained leading up to Buu. Maybe he wasn't SS2 power levels but he was clearly stronger than both Goten and Trunks individually. Yeah he wasn't taking out Buu but they could have had some sort of delay fight to show he wasn't as disregarded as say Yamcha. Super just had awful scaling.
Piccolo was at his best as Goku's rival on the OG dragonball. Teen goku vs Majunior is still the most painful fight for me to watch. Piccopo Jr is brutal asf(Well, that and watching Z fighters getting slaughtered one by one against Nappa)
I hate how piccolo went from being on equal footing and at times ahead of the others to being the designated babysitter. Super hero movie at least gave home something and the fans hate it
As much as I enjoy Piccolo fighting, he doesn’t need to in order to be great and respected. They all know he isn’t close to being weak, they just keep coming across absurdly stronger opponents. That’s the biggest problem with Dragon Ball, period. They listen to him because they know he has the strength, skill, experience, and knowledge worth respecting. His character still has possibilities to grow strength wise, but he is solidified as far as being respected by the Z Fighters.
When you consider that Goku himself became a super saiyan God from a wish, it's literally the same thing. Yeah it didn't happen from the wish exactly. But he learned how to do it as a result
Piccolo use to be a bad guy trying to take over a planet. So he understands frieza and doesn't take it personally that he doing the same thing he was doing.. plus he was just there for gohan.
I'll agree that Piccolo's fusion with Kame should've had much more of an impact on the series overall...the nameless namekian was said to be on par with a super saiyan without training after all and that shouldn't have been taken lightly and should've carried far more weight into the later Cell saga and beyond than it did...but where I do disagree with is android 17 being a weak opponent. Piccolo was only slightly stronger than 17 and imperfect Cell wanted no more smoke from Piccolo until he was absolutely sure he absorbed enough people to be stronger than him and nobody knew how powerful 16 was up until that point...also by that point in the saga Piccolo was literally the only one who could hang with these androids so his fight against 17 shouldn't be underestimated.
I see people saying piccolo gained power through the wish but that’s not entirely true, if you actually listen to what he wishes for its to have his potential released like grand elder Guru did for Krillin and Gohan, no power was granted to piccolo by the wish, it was the power he had locked inside that was awakened.
How are you gonna skip over Piccolo’s 1st power up after fusing with Kami!? That scene against Imperfect Cell was the highlight of his entire character arc.
Piccolo: "I do NOT have a 'hate boner' for Goku!" It's a pretty hateful boner... Piccolo: "I DON'T EVEN HAVE A... ... ... (Let it go, Piccolo... It's not worth it...)"
To be fair, all the best (and worst) characters are left behind in terms of power scaling and/or relevance to the story, Piccolo is just one good example. Gohan, Goten, Trunks and even Krillin have been mishandled, under utilised and generally kicked to the curb
Personally I think Piccolo's new form was the right choice for his character, as a Namekian, his history is tied to Namek and the Dragon Balls. Through out Z, we see him gain power by accepting it from others, merging with Nails, and then merging with his other side, Kami. This was how a Namekian grows and gets stronger. So using the Dragon Balls, something intrinsic to the Namekian people to grant him more power is in line with how Namekians are. Their strength comes from bestowing it onto others.
I kind of like that honestly, in a world of raging=new forms, a form granted through wishes is refreshing honestly... can't say the same for Beast Gohan though lol.
It does fit perfectly with him..
That’s an interesting take that I wish I had considered before. I mean, I liked the transformation in the movie because Super manga had been dropping lore about the dragonballs being rewards for noble Namekian warriors previously, but to see it as a natural extension of Namekian strength being gained due to selflessness and sacrifice makes it even richer. If you think about it, Piccolo had to endure a lot to be deemed worthy of it. He had to swallow his pride and offer help where he could to others. By being the “joke” who was relegated to the sides as a teacher to the other stronger fighters, and accepting that role rather than resenting it, Piccolo becomes a giver who offers himself for the greater good. He becomes what Nail and Kami were to him, and because he’s a warrior willing to sacrifice not just his life but also his image, he is rewarded by the dragon with great power.
@@edwardmyers9492 I'm just pointing out that Beast Gohan was just another rage=new form, I'm sorry if I offended you, I have bias for Piccolo as just like Toriyama, he is my favourite DBZ so I already analyse his character in depth to form an opinion of him. I don't dislike Beast Gohan mind you, I just dislike how he was utilised for the movie, I'm sure given more time and in depth research into Gohans character as I have for Piccolo, I can form a better opinion on Beast Gohan, but as it stands now I just see it as just another form with nothing particularly interesting to say. It's the same feeling I got with Future Trunk's form the anime that name escapes me right now.
@@edwardmyers9492 Thats exactly what Im saying, I need to re read the manga again and write down my thoughts If I want to give more in depth opinions on the other characters as I have for Piccolo, but he's not the only one that I do this for, Vegeta is my 2nd favourite character and I can say as much about him as I do for Piccolo. Too many people talk about the series without refreshing their memory about the series and its characters, I acknowledge that it was brash of me to say beast gohan has no substance, I believe there is something there I just need to look into it more. Thanks for giving your opinion and making me realize that comments that like that doesn't contribute to further discussion and dissection for character writing.
Not gonna lie these days I am siding with freieza. At this point I am tired of sayians.
My head canon has always been that Kami influenced Piccolo’s subtle personality change in Buu and beyond. The goofy expressions, the more moral lectures, fear of stronger opponents, etc it’s all behavior Kami has been shown doing.
I agree with this
I wouldn’t really call it a head canon, he got all of Kami’s memories. Just like he develops a strong namekian pride as he fuses with nail he gains wisdom and a greater sense of morality from Kami’s memories
I've always thought this. I especially think it was Kami's influence on Piccolo that led to him forfeiting against Shin. Also Piccolo's defeatest attitude at the Cell Games and lack of belief in Gohan - it reminds me a lot of how Kami acted at the Budokai tournament when Goku faced Piccolo Jr.
Piccolo wasn't fumbled, he just evolved. He lost his reasons for the grudge, was forced to be an ally for so long he became a real one, then he went through two fusions including his better half - making it completely impossible to ever be the Piccolo we saw before again. He really isn't even Piccolo anymore, he's the 'nameless namekian, child of katas'.
Exactly. It kinda sucks how barely anyone understands his development.
Your POV is brilliant, I admit.
But, it's stated clearly that he's mainly the same : namekian fusion is just adding power level and memories.
The truth is more likely that he has been sacrificed for the sake of the Vegeta / Goku duo.
Like the rest of the team
His character direction wasn't the problem, it was just how little relevance he had afterwards. The saiyans were able to train and get much stronger, but Piccolo and the humans remained stagnant up until recently where they tried to fix it.
Which makes a great character. This narrator is clearly a fan of the show but not exactly an insightful critic.
Ranting about king piccolo's arc when he was just a villain who did villain shit from start to finish.
@@BvLeePiccolo was never stagnant. Every time we see him, he’s stronger than the last time we saw him. It’s just that the gap between him and the Saiyans is too wide.
8:48 the answer is Stoicism. Piccolo is the calmest member of the Z Fighters. Also, I don't think a rageful Namekian followed by two rageful Saiyans would've help the story.
The answer is stoicism 🤓
I like how he was portrayed in super hero
Yea I really like him w Pan, that wholesome relationship was really nice to see, I want him to be like Grandpa Gohan was to kid Goku for Pan.
He should be the one to train the new generation that Goku kept blabbering about during the Buu Saga but also keeping with the Goku and Vegeta.
Look at how they massacred my boy
They showed him love in superhero, and I respect it
Too bad its fanfic noncannon
@@Georg3e it’s canon. Toriyama wrote it, and it was adapted in the manga. 🙈🙈🙈
I like Goku and Gohan, but that man Mr. Piccolo has always been my favorite character. Bro deserves more respect
Same.
Piccolo has always been my favourite character since DB.
Piccolo is the all-rounder, strength, intelligence, techniques, and development, and has the capability to kill off protagonists before shit got real.
But they started nurfing him after the Cell saga.
Piccolo vs 17 definitely was and still is my favourite fight.
People talk about vegeta “replacing” piccolo but you have to remember that goku drops everything for a new toy. Yamcha, krillin, tien, piccolo, vegeta, broly, hit, Jiren.
Man will completely abandon his friends and rivals for the newer model every time🏎️
This rings true until vegeta. Those two will be rivals forever
@@DoctorMario606 eh, I guess. Kinda feels like he’s dragged around as goku’s smack talking, tsundere, “second fiddle” in case he wants to warm up his opponent, take a senzu snack break, or whip out a fusion.
It was a nice idea to have him branch out with some “unique powers” but functionally nothing has changed. He’s in the same ballpark in power but always a step behind when it matters. He canonically beat goku one time OFF-SCREEN in training and holds that as his sole W in the whole series. They legitimately cannot visualize vegeta walking his talk💀
It's more like, Goku wants to be the strongest and once he beats a strong opponent, he looks for a new challenge to overcome.
He doesn't "drop" Piccolo, he beats him in the tournament and then just kinda moves on. He doesn't fixate on Vegeta once he shows up, because he's stronger. If anything, Vegeta got replace with Frieza, then Cell, then Buu, then Beerus
People need to be more honest, Toriyama chose to replace Piccolo with Vegeta via screen-time because Vegeta was stronger and his character arc was not yet complete. That wasn't Goku's choice
@@KSmanderes it was a conscious choice of the toriyama to not give other characters screen time when for example, piccolo was still actively in his own arc.
I say “drop” because rather than continuing to develop the unique abilities, arcs and struggles of all the characters over like 40 years of story, they tried roiding up tien, piccolo, roshi, krillin, gohan, etc etc etc with ass pull power ups that none of them have been working on to suddenly be back in the ball park. we haven’t had a single frame of any of them training for like 2 decades (and actually have explicitly been told most of them basically gave up as warriors after goku surpassed them which is one of the limpest element of the dragon ball story.)
Goku is the protagonist, I generally expect him to be stronger. Doesn’t mean every character he beats needs to fall to obscurity in the story by the next panel and be treated like they can’t also get stronger
Getting knocked off by some grass hopper is so disrespectful
At least Piccolo remained relevant a lot longer than some others. For a bit, he managed to have a foothold in the era of "if you ain't a Saiyan, you ain't shit".
But, well, he wasn't a Saiyan, so he lost even that. But he never, ever dropped as low as Yamcha, a character so forgotten that he's just trotted out for the memes or Tien, a man who trains the whole of his life and his greatest post 22nd Tenka-Ichi Budoukai moment is nearly dying to Semi-Perfect Cell, all so that Krillin could piss it all away because he didn't want to keep it in his pants.
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hey, don't hate on Krillin, he's the only non-saiyan with a wife, he saw his opportunity and took it 😂
@@KallmeKnicKEven Tien could be married/engaged if only Toriyama wouldn't have forgotten Lunch... 🤷
If Piccolo fused with Kami, never fought, and then got killed by Cell, it would just make his power-up look weak af and useless.
Yea that was hard to agree with. He had me up until that..the dragon balls go with him too.
People always forget that namekian fusion doesnt erase the fused entity. Nail and Kami are inside him and can think separately feom piccolo. A few times they show it off but that is such a squandered character trait. Hes three fighters in one, he should be able to out think everyone
I thought Nail said that, over time, he'd gradually be absorbed into Piccolo's subconscious. I might be misremembering that.
@TheAzulmagia I always thought that meant he was just passenger in the body but still aware. When the kami stuff happened I assumed it was the same but sense kami was og half he got to be more free inside. If piccolo wanted to talk to nail he'd just have to meditate or focus or allow nail some agency
17 was stronger than 18, even back then. And seventeen is incredibly popular
17 was never stronger than 18 he did kill more people in the future timeline but they was always equal and he currently is stronger but not massively stronger due to the cell junior training in the manga
@@G-Ghosted no 17 is stronger check the dragonball quide book
@@G-GhostedI don’t think 17 was equal to 18. Just in the same realm of power, rather than 16 who is much more powerful than either of them. I think it comes down to their personalities. In dragon ball z, 17 was a cocky guy that believed he was the strongest fighter in the entire universe. He clearly valued strength more than anything else back then. The other androids didn’t care about fighting and power the way 17 did in Z
Fkn love this mofo
@@G-Ghosted 17 and 18 are very close in power, but 17 is a bit stronger. By the time of Super, 17 is well beyond her.
I don't know why that's the case. I think it's more interesting if they're even. But it is what it is.
Throughout the original DBZ series, we had more time with Piccolo than anyone else. He was the heavy hitter through all of the Frieza saga until Goku returned. He was keeping everything together through the Cell saga, and had the best fight of the series against Android 17, until the Saiyans returned. He saved the entire world during Dragonball Superhero from another Cell catastrophe. He has the best special in the whole series, the Special Beam Cannon. He trained the strongest Saiyan in the series, Gohan(shut up, Broly stans, no one cares about your last place Saiyan.) Piccolo is the GOAT.
Man piccolo in the garlic Jr saga was a monster
I just hope after his new Piccolodeon form he will become a lot more relevant. Toriyama was last quoted as saying Piccolo is now "on par with Goku and co." so it sounds like he's strong enough to compete with the Saiyan's for the first time since he merged with Kami. If he's "on par" with the others, he's definitely way above blue level. People say he's way below; I disagree.
Lets all be painfully honest, vegeta was a villain turned ally who slept with Bulma. Vegeta replaced Yamcha
Piccolo got his revenge but not the way he wanted.
He became a godfather for the person who killed his past life lol
@@falconeshield you forgot to say he became the godfather of his greatest rival that he killed because Goku killed him first in a past life.
Ur that guy who was on network 126 vids from what I remember
Superhero did a lot to redeem his character in the fighting and power aspect of DB it was a true love letter to the character
Piccolo fought imperfect Cell after fusing with kami and basically won. Piccolo play a major role in android/cell saga. He once again surpass the saiyans till they enter time chamber. Buu saga he basically drop out.
This is a great video! I always liked Piccolo & i wish he had more moments to shine.
Sounds like the issue is really piccolo's power scaling since he should have been way more powerful than he was.
As post nail and kami fusion his base potential was already above freiza meaning he should have been able to unlock orange and super piccolo much sooner as original pre kami split was a being that powerful
The wish was fine. It was a great scene that was the original namakian lore of a warrior getting all the dragon balls. Piccolo regained the power kami put into sheron and dende finally became the true guardian making shenron his dragon.
If we go by freizas potential in F. Piccolo could have been on par with the top cast on base being the best namakian with only two fusions under his belt. Orange piccolo was late but it was a welcome add to his power and character
Cell would have definitely been dead if it was Piccolo instead of 16. There would have been no dragging of the fight, no torture. He was ending it immediately. Or even if it was Piccolo that spoke to SS2 Gohan instead of Goku trying to tell him to finish it.
piccolo used to be such a badass. everytime he came onto the screen you knew he was about to do/say the coolest shit and now hes just a baby sitter :/
Piccolo is the GOAT, always my favorite.
Piccolo should have been kept as the 3rd/4th strongest, consistently creeping behind Goku/Vegeta/Gohan but instead of being the best martial artist, or having raw power, or being a prodigy, he should be utilizing different techniques and strategies, living to the name of Demon King.
I just want to send him a coffee mug that says "World's best dad"
Frfr, both Piccolo and Vegeta were cooking on Namek.
Brainrot is real.
@@malcontender6319 in what way?
Considering the development of Piccolo was to let him go away from being this "existence to hate" to realize he is more than just that, I'm really happy that Toriyama stayed consistent with him and didn't let him fall back to that existence in the Namek Saga.
Factual piccolo is in my top 3 favorite characters in the franchise.
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No way would I have had him die versus Perfect Cell. More like he is winning against Semi-Perfect Cell until Vegeta comes as relief. Vegeta hears that Cell can become Perfect, and prevents a worn down Piccolo from finishing the job.
As for Frieza, Goku had no business being the one to stop him. Piccolo and Vegeta had much more story appropriate reasons to be The Guy. Perhaps they team up to do it. Would've been cool.
How does a piccolo who can go toe to toe against semi perfect cell let him eat 17 to begin with? I think piccolo should have taken on 17 and 18 together to begin with and is somewhat warn down by the time cell shows up. Cell just manages to beat them, but is really fucked up by the end of the fight (I think it goes in line well with that version of cell having to struggle and earn his wins rather than steamrolling just because he gobbled some earthlings). 16 went off to kill goku this whole time and isn’t a factor until after cell becomes semi perfect.
I didn't grow up with Dragon Ball, and it wasn't until just now I watched the whole series. Piccolo is by far my favorite character, and seeing what they did to him in Super is just so frustrating. I'm hoping that he'll be shown more love, especially after the 2022 film. He's such an awesome character and I really wish we saw more of him
He got a little Justice in Super Hero and the Cell Saga
Piccolo and Gohan are my favorite characters
Hot take but I think sunsetting Goku is the way to go. Goku has no real aspirations outside of fight the next big bad. Vegeta has promise as a destroyer. Both could make cameos, but yeah. Lemme get to my point.
Piccolo and Gohan should take over, though mostly Piccolo for this idea as I haven’t thought of an arc for Gohan.
With Frieza’s return it gives Piccolo a second shot at facing what happened on Namek, what Frieza did. With Frieza’s new found power he goes around re-conquering the universe even quicker and more brutally than before. The arc follows Piccolo as he liberates planets and gains strength that’s bestowed upon him by those he helps and mentors along the way. Saiyans gain strength through taking and ‘violent’ themed methods. Namekians get it through more self-sacrificial and selfless methods with a theme on giving. With all this in mind, the emphasis could be less on the fighting and more so on a deep story deserving of Piccolo’s rich history and calm character. Then when the fights happen, it’s all out balls to the wall with all tension built toward unleashing in a crescendo of action. And the final confrontation ends with none other than Frieza himself.
But that’s just a massive wish. Piccolo is still my favorite character to this day. ❤
Hadn’t watched dbz in a long time, but that scene with piccolo and majin vegeta… wow. Forgot how epic the voice acting was
Battle with Freiza on Namek was peak. Some really great movie moments too
Piccolo should be able to develop god ki as well
Maybe he needs two more namekians. Like a saiyan god need 5 saiyans
Piccolo learned to be more than a fighter. He is a higher being as a guardian.
One of my first things im doing in sparking zero is beating frieza in the namek saga as piccolo
Considering Piccolo Jr is the reincarnation of King Piccolo, you can think of Piccolo's toned down personality as character growth, since that rebirth brought back his potential for good that he lost when the nameless Namekian split up.
One of the throw away gags about piccolo is that during the first daimaoh fight the great demon king calls Goku a piece of ant shit, then goku calls him a piece of slug shit. Slug is “namekuji”.
That’s literally where the species of the Nameku-seijin (Namekian) comes from. During the Freeza saga Kuririn and Gohan drops the character for star/planet and starts calling them Namekujin which sound almost like Namekuji.
11:23 I mean the light grenade was basically that if I’m not mistaken
I’m sorry but 17 is extremely popular, I don’t know where you’re getting that 18 is more popular. Also he was the strongest known Android up to that point
Facts... shes just more popular for other reasons
Um, no. 16 was. 16 and base cell were even.
I'm hoping this new Orange Piccolo form is the beginning of something new for him. Like maybe he just needed a little boost and now that he's gotten one he'll be able to tear down that wall and unlock many more transformations all on his own.
Piccolo was my favorite growing up because the first episodes I watched were in the Android saga on through the Cell saga. Then I saw his saga in dragon ball before ever seeing the Freida saga so to me he was the goat.
I like how you mentioned his fight with 17 that was epic....I wish you could've touched on the way he stepped up against napa bad ass moment there too
Man i prefer the other piccolo speech to goku with falconer music. Goku doubts himself for the first time in that saga but then realizes he was right again lol
piccolo isn't the type to hold grdges, and he was high on his new power.
I love him as a character perfect level of edge and caring best God Father in all of anime if the characters he fought didn't go to next transformation we wouldn't need Goku or one of his sons love you Big Green
7:13 that's got me thinking about what a badass Nails was.
Awesome character analysis. Never been a huge fan. But you right.
appreciate it fam! i'm curious, what'd you agree with?
@KallmeKnicK I started as a Gohan fan but ended as a vegeta fan because his character has way more depth while being savage. But you pointed out that piccolo was the voice of reason. Too bad he doesn't have a movie to solidify his past. And they did get sloppy with his character development. But I feel the same for master roshi. So much untapped history.
Piccolo has been my favorite from day one. And the more I learned about him the more I liked him.
Piccolo was awesome from beginning to Gotenks and a little GT. His usefulness as a fighter was done mostly. Also the falconer music and speech was so much better imo. Grew up on it thats why, but also more dramatic
17 the weakest n less popular of the androids🤔 bruh u gtta be kidding me.
Yeah not sure where the 17 hate came from. They went to pretty great lengths in the story to show that the android TWINS are essentially a perfect PAIR.
If we really get into the weeds, 18 has never shown any interesting techniques (usually copying krillin’s moveset of all things) whereas 17 makes brilliant use of his inherent abilities to create an energy barrier that can be maintained indefinitely.
18 legitimately just dogged a much weaker vegeta, kissed krillin’s cheek, and got gobbled. 17 was out there putting in the work
@@snipingsloth1053 exactly, shit I thought 17 was stronger than 18 even in the android saga
18 is weaker than 17…
@@Wolfen_Argent based on performing just as good as one another in any showing?? Again, the series was pretty damn clear that they are the “twin threat”. Not 17 and his back up dancer😂
Fax’s and piccolo figured, if he scraps 17 then cell can’t be perfect . Pretty smart imo
14:17 I'm that person. Still to this day, Super didn't change that
Man, that final tournament arc in OG DB was the best.
Ok so unfortunately piccolo arrived at namek as a earth born Namekian with no exposure to even his race besides is (ex) nemesis, Kami whom he never cared much for ever so far.
Finally he grew up alone as well and was an isolationist.
Maybe if he had more time to forge a deeper connection like with gohan.
He did care more once he absorbed Nail tho
Piccolo does have a transformation. He’s able to become a giant. I was actually hoping back in the Namek saga, after he said that he was confident in his speed that he was going to transform. That coupled with his training and meditation, I thought he had been working on his speed and sensory skills to make up for what he may be lacking in after he transforms and becomes larger and stronger by default. Therefore making himself well-rounded and harder to fight while being able to concentrate on other compensatory skills in his training.
The real tragedy of Piccolo was losing Scott McNeil as his VA and getting Sabat. Scott perfectly captured that grit and bite that Piccolo needed in his voice acting, so intimidating sounding and he had swag too.
I love Piccolo, he's honestly the best character but the fact that he's so smart and serious is the reason it's hard to keep him at a high power level because he's the type of guy that would solve the problems immediately if he could. He's not going to let the enemies get stronger just for a good fight or fuck around. He still gets some really damn good lines tho, even if he's not at Gohan or Vegito levels and he can't face Cell or Buu he still plays a role outside fighting and that's better than plenty characters manage to. Glad he got the orange form tho.
Some development on Piccolo's fight avoidance in the Super Buu section of the arc. He was in possession of the Dragon Radar that entire time. He was simply Showing the maturity to prioritize the safety of the Dragon radar over his pride as a fighter during the Gotenks Battle. If the Dragon Radar got destroyed while fighting, then chances are Years would pass before finding the dragonballs, and Shenron can't revive someone if they had died over a year. All of Earths population would have been permanently cooked.
I think Kami had a lot to do with that maturity
He was always my favorite in DBZ
Piccolo was not fumbled. Don't disrespect him like that
in super yes badly
Nah piccolo and gohan should be up there with goku and vageta
Not just Piccolo that has turned into a loony toons show but the whole series.
Think of a storyline that really shows how characters fear for their lives and are really hurt and the viewers worry for them, and that same series has a lot of comedy gag moments in it as well. There’s actually quite a few like it (or at least there were many like that).
DBS is not one of those series. Closest it can get is being a similar series but without any tension.
What we saw throughout DB and into DBZ is how bad can a person be who eventually makes a change to good.
Yamcha, a simple desert bandit, was the beginning.
Tien, an assassin in training, was the next step.
Piccolo, when viewed as a reincarnation of Demon King Piccolo, added complexity, but once he was good, he was good. Heck when the Saiyans arrive there is no uneasy alliance, no "we better watch out for Piccolo". At that point, he was a good guy, further cemented when he fused with Nail and Kami.
And lastly we have Vegeta. Vegeta was this trope of a bad guy gone good in its final form. There wasn't a "time passes, and he's good" moment like there was with Piccolo. Vegeta is a dick all throughout DBZ, even when he was an ally (not a good guy bear mind you). Even establishing some level of bonds between Vegeta and the others (through Bulma and Trunks) wasn't enough to make him a "good guy". And even when he was assumed such, we find out he has some last flickerings of evil in him (Majin Vegeta) which by the end of the Buu arc, burns out completely and is eventually considered "pure" for the SSJ God ritual.
What's interesting is that Buu's journey is a simplification of Piccolo. Instead of the "Nameless Namekian"' ripping out his evil side (Demon King Piccolo) to want to do good (as Kami), Buu forces his evil side out to want to do evil. In the end both evil halves get reincarnated and even eventually those reincarnations as good absorb their original good halves. But Piccolo's journey is so much better than Buu's.
Saying fumbled on piccolo is wild, i love how he's progressed as the character going into super, as a matter of fact, he's one of few characters that have been consistent
Piccolo went from main villain to mammy.
Piccolo vs hit would’ve been lit!
Piccolos Kai training and fusion with Kami are key maturing moments for him
Piccolo had to crawl so Vegeta could run.
Planet Namek made me understand that the Nameks are more grounded, peaceful down to Earth, no pun intended
Vegeta doesn't look down on Gohan because he's childlike, he looks down on Gohan because he knows that if Gohan applied himself He'd be stronger than Vegeta, and Vegeta thinks it's wasted potential.
Piccolos my favorite character to this day I got mixed feelings on his super transformation tho. It just looks goofy to me and it made it worse when he couldn't come up for a better name for the transformation
I hope in Sparking Zero his intro line vs 2nd form Freeza is "Shut the hell up!"
The problem with Piccolo and by extension any other DBZ character save for Goku and Vegeta is that they received their development early and kept being present for no value but a ruler to measure the bad guy's strength
13:12 "Piccolo has spent more time with Gohan, than Goku himself."
Goku has spent way more time with Gohan both in and out of battle.
Piccolo spent 6 months watching Gohan survive on his own, and 6 months training Gohan. Spent time in battle with Gohan against Nappa, but Gohan was too scared to do anything until after Piccolo died. Then there was the 3 years training in prep for androids.... and that's it. Piccolo didn't spend any time with Gohan outside of this. Gohan had barely seen Piccolo in the 1-2 years between Namek and Frieza/Goku coming back to Earth. Oh, I guess Gohan spent a few days on the lookout leading up to the Cell Games, and Piccolo was there.
Goku raised Gohan for 4.5 years before Raditz showed up. Goku got to witness Gohan come in clutch against Vegeta. He got to witness Gohan making a stand against Ginyu in Goku's body (helping Goku to get his body back), and also could sense Gohan in battle against Frieza. Not to mention Goku relied on Gohan getting Piccolo and the others to the spaceship (not needed in the end after the wish, but Goku knew Gohan could be relied upon). They spent 3 years training for the androids and a further 9(?)months in the time chamber training for Cell.
Piccolo assumed Gohan was scared to fight Cell. He wasn't. Gohan just didn't see the point in senseless fighting and was trying to reason with Cell. Mastered SSJ Gohan wasn't that fased by Perfect Cell at this point, even put Cell on his butt easily. Goku believed in Gohan and knew he had it in him to defeat Cell (even before he went SSJ2).
And then when Gohan got injured thanks to Vegeta, Piccolo thought all was lost and that Cell was going to win. Goku from the aftelife knew Gohan was holding back. Goku told Gohan to stop holding back and the monent Gohan unleased his full power Super Perfect Cell was vapourised. While Piccolo was still thinking Gohan couldn't do it.
Many dont realize that its not piccolos home to him. Its a dofferent planet than home, even if his dad may have been originally from there, so freeza was a lesser personal thingnto him than others. Qlsonafter fusing woth nail, it wasnt his homeland to him
Piccolo did hate frieza for what he did to his people after he met nail. The issue is Piccolo was still learning about himself and his people so I think he was more of confusion mixed with hate and knowing he couldn't defeat Frieza as well.
Ive only watched Dragon Ball and Z. So, Piccolo has been my favorite.
9:31 it was his ancestral planet, his home planet was earth.
Every DBZ character except Vegeta has been fumbled
Wasn’t piccolo 3,000 power level and Napa 4,000? Piccolo wasn’t 5,000… which makes it all the more impressive that he caught up to second form frieza.
They only issue is when they don't power scale him. At the end of the Cell Saga, he was keeping up with SSVegeta. He trained leading up to Buu. Maybe he wasn't SS2 power levels but he was clearly stronger than both Goten and Trunks individually. Yeah he wasn't taking out Buu but they could have had some sort of delay fight to show he wasn't as disregarded as say Yamcha. Super just had awful scaling.
Piccolo was at his best as Goku's rival on the OG dragonball.
Teen goku vs Majunior is still the most painful fight for me to watch. Piccopo Jr is brutal asf(Well, that and watching Z fighters getting slaughtered one by one against Nappa)
I hate how piccolo went from being on equal footing and at times ahead of the others to being the designated babysitter. Super hero movie at least gave home something and the fans hate it
As much as I enjoy Piccolo fighting, he doesn’t need to in order to be great and respected. They all know he isn’t close to being weak, they just keep coming across absurdly stronger opponents. That’s the biggest problem with Dragon Ball, period. They listen to him because they know he has the strength, skill, experience, and knowledge worth respecting. His character still has possibilities to grow strength wise, but he is solidified as far as being respected by the Z Fighters.
8:20 every black, latino basically indigenous child during history class
When you consider that Goku himself became a super saiyan God from a wish, it's literally the same thing. Yeah it didn't happen from the wish exactly. But he learned how to do it as a result
his drip is too good makes the others look wack
Piccolo use to be a bad guy trying to take over a planet. So he understands frieza and doesn't take it personally that he doing the same thing he was doing.. plus he was just there for gohan.
I'll agree that Piccolo's fusion with Kame should've had much more of an impact on the series overall...the nameless namekian was said to be on par with a super saiyan without training after all and that shouldn't have been taken lightly and should've carried far more weight into the later Cell saga and beyond than it did...but where I do disagree with is android 17 being a weak opponent. Piccolo was only slightly stronger than 17 and imperfect Cell wanted no more smoke from Piccolo until he was absolutely sure he absorbed enough people to be stronger than him and nobody knew how powerful 16 was up until that point...also by that point in the saga Piccolo was literally the only one who could hang with these androids so his fight against 17 shouldn't be underestimated.
Favorite Piccolo moment?
Law of equicalent exchange. To raise gohan, he gave a pieve of hinself and therefore took in a piece of gohan.
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you sound like you learned this from a brotherhood of sorts 😏
@KallmeKnicK It just rolls off the tongue so smooth. Abd it just tickles my soul just so. 😅 Sounds super profound.
I see people saying piccolo gained power through the wish but that’s not entirely true, if you actually listen to what he wishes for its to have his potential released like grand elder Guru did for Krillin and Gohan, no power was granted to piccolo by the wish, it was the power he had locked inside that was awakened.
How are you gonna skip over Piccolo’s 1st power up after fusing with Kami!? That scene against Imperfect Cell was the highlight of his entire character arc.
Piccolo: "I do NOT have a 'hate boner' for Goku!"
It's a pretty hateful boner...
Piccolo: "I DON'T EVEN HAVE A... ... ... (Let it go, Piccolo... It's not worth it...)"
What are the games that the gameplay in this video is from?
Piccolo is a grade A badass.
He just got fumbled in Buu and RoF basically. He’s been redeemed in Super
To be fair, all the best (and worst) characters are left behind in terms of power scaling and/or relevance to the story, Piccolo is just one good example. Gohan, Goten, Trunks and even Krillin have been mishandled, under utilised and generally kicked to the curb