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Vegeta has the best arc in super and it’s not even close . Honestly without vegeta dragon ball super would be a nothing burger of a show .

To be fair, his wife IS the richest woman on earth with tech and resources so advanced that she can literally accomplish anything as long as she's offscreen, Vegeta doesn't need to work and frankly, he earned himself the right to be a trophy husband.

You need to read the dbs arcs written by toyotaro (moro and granolah)

vegeta does work in dragonball super super doesn´t ruined vegeta like you haters claim

Namek is peak, majin is amazing tho he came full circle, maybe he needed a bit more distinctness im his simple end game design, and I think he shoulda kept unique techniques in the buu saga and should have stayed in the afterlife, I actually always wished fusiom reborn was cannon, just have vegeta come back in the battle of gods movie or something, you made great points on vegetas usage in super, it sucks that even in in the granolah arc he stil gets cucked by gokus "new" ui form, that was his one arc, hopefully he beats black frieza, travels to sadala, asks whis to revive his race after he reminices at sadala, have him get his lick back on beerus but spares him and forgives him, and please give him unique techniques like namek, super manga vegeta is much better than the anime counterpart but still gets cucked, but overall his character arc is similar to his gt self, hes better written than goku so far, goku is a shell of his Z self but is fun to watch, similar to sasuke early shippuden aka his namek arc is peak imo, and kage summit is majin, but now in boruto hes kinda like a washed vegeta

GT will always be the true successor to Z. Say what you will about it but does it have Vegeta doing a funny little dance or getting trashed on little girl? Oh my god goku doesn’t know what a kiss is despite being raised on earth and probably seeing kisses around cities and being married which is sealed with a kiss, so wacky! Goku gets a new form! Oh and another new form! Oh here’s the same form with silver hair! Now here’s the same form with no aura! Let’s be honest UI doesn’t have a place in dragon ball. It’s a show all about surpassing your limits and protecting what you believe in. What is there to fight when you can dodge every attack. That’s just beating someone up at that point. Let me guess? “Gt isn’t canon” news flash it is. They’re two different timelines. It’s not canon to the super timeline but it’s also canon to the GT timeline. Let’s not even go over the retcons. Uub in the manga when he’s not supposed to appear until the ending world tournament. Potara not being permanent because god forbid we have our two precious characters be stuck together forever oh no! So let’s introduce this arbitrary rule which probably doesn’t work because they losses god ki and most likely would be perma stuck together. Let’s make everyone in the ToP who doesn’t have god ki insane. Let’s have kale and caulifla be extremely powerful because we need plot! Let’s have the humans be on par with the saiyans. Let’s have the androids who are mechanical beings be the strongest out there when they couldn’t even go against Buu. Let’s have whis revive frieza despite knowing he will create unneeded destruction, let’s have Vegeta just skip the god ritual since we need him to somehow keep up with goku, let’s just screw up the power scaling so badly that we don’t even know beerus power level. Is he using 70% of his power? 10% 1% who cares!? He’s a god and we can just change it. GT had one form. GT had villains that actually felt like villains. Take for instance Zamasu, a villain with such nonsensical reasoning. Goku and the mortals were making a mockery of the gods… when the gods were training him to reach such feats yeah… and he hates mortals despite being the aid to a Kaioshin which is a god of life. Like the man studying under the god of life wouldn’t understand how important mortals are. The villains are either redeemable or fallen heros besides two. When you look at all three previous shows. General tao wasn’t redeemable, the RR weren’t redeemable, the demon king piccolo wasn’t redeemable. Frieza wasn’t redeemable, cell wasn’t redeemable, kid Buu wasn’t redeemable. Usually it was equal. Frieza had Vegeta who was redeemable, the android to cell who were redeemable, majin Buu to kid Buu. Each arc had both an irredeemable character and one that wasn’t. Super is just made to sell merch. I know you super fanboys will disagree but I present to you one last small piece of evidence. The intros. Makafusigi adventure, cha la head cha la, Dan Dan hikareteku all have an amazing and wondrous feeling to them all about adventure. Meanwhile the new ones for super are just generic j-rock. Even if dbz did rock it was stuff like rock the dragon which is an icon in modern culture.

Ima need TSO_Sage to react on this shit

What was the best iteration of Gohan?

Dragon ball is not great because of plot animation or anyof theses things its great because of all these things mixed into one the characters the plot and the man who wrote it to put it disgustingly simple

The problem I had with Majin Vegeta is that he murdered hundreds of people, and nobody ever calls him on that. He ALMOST MURDERED HIS WIFE during all of that, and we don’t even hear so much as an apology from Vegeta. And then he facilitates the revival of Majin Buu, dies and leaves the planet to deal with that, and then is resurrected less than 3 days later because (checks notes) “he’s a good guy now”? Nah, this ain’t it, Chief…

He's Married into the Richest family on earth. Why would he?

I Super makes the same mistakes as GT....... Goku has too much screen time. Allow others to be NEEDED. Allow their desires to push the storyline

0:16 Dawg, you're not cooking with this. The only one shown that I can kinda agree with is Bakugou, cause GUTS? HIEI?? SASUKE??? All of them are extremely different in roles, lore, and thematics.

goku = john cena vegeta = randy orton

Sasuke isnt a replica of Vegeta lol

I Always wanted to see Vegeta take out a Main Villain character & Not just Goku doing it all the time, I always wanted to watch Goku witness Vegeta taking out a main threat that he himself couldn't beat & then congratulate Vegeta afterwards, but that's just my opinion.

Majin Vegeta is the best

I’d argue whenever Vegeta’s on screen, he eats up any scene he’s in, that includes DBS. Now, I don’t exactly think DBS is perfect, but Vegeta is the reason I kept watching, and I’m glad I kept reading it too, all for him.

The development of Vegeta is one of many reasons I don't see Super as canon and I see GT as canon When your (debatable) number 2 character has better development in the series not made by the og author, that says something Then again, the edited kazenban ending of the manga set the stage for Super's regression (it ends with him saying how he's gonna surpass kakarot one day) so maybe it was always Tori's MO to regress Vegeta to always being obsessed with beating Kakarot If that is the case tho, then I'm just gonna say that this is a dumba** decision Super is just a way to redo the highlights of Z with none of the buildup

Gt vegeta became a man who acquires his own strength to save the world and his family suggesting fusion himself and acquiring ssj4 artificially just for the sake of it. Super vegeta gets happy finally beating goku even though he never lost a fight to him.

Y'all hate on dbs but then y'all still want dbs season 2 make your mind up, Dbs still has its great moments and yes I've read and watched z. Dbs shows how Vegeta is changing like in the battle of gods he's still kinda of a anti-hero in dbsF Vegeta is still kinda of a rival and through out super you can still see Vegeta changing

Toriyama notoriously didn't like Vegeta, that's something we all know. No disrespect to him, but stories with Vegeta in the future may have him pulling out more wins without Toriyama constantly dragging him down. In the Super Broly movie, the writers for the film knew what the audience liked when it came to Vegeta. So that entire first fight with Broly, as soon as Vegeta starts being on the back foot, they have Goku jump in. Perfect. Then in DragonBall Heroes and Xenoverse, whenever they try to do mind control on Vegeta, he always resists the influence and takes the power up. They know what we want. One of the worst things we do in the DragonBall community is that we can't say a piece of dragonball content isn't good unless Toriyama worked on it. But almost always if that's the case, then 9 times out of 10 Vegeta is gonna get shafted. There's official writers who want Vegeta to have a win and I think we might get that some day.

Vegeta stopped having wants since he fused with kakarot. Vegito fr took away most of vegetas vegetaness

Dragon Ball: Goku Shippuden, I summarized dbs . good vid ❤

he was perfect against black

the GOAT

We all know the best Vegeta was GT Vegeta

The problem is that Akira didnt want dragon ball evolution,be the last thing the franchise produce,and it does not matter what Dbs does,it will never be a worse ending than to have db evolution as the last thing the series does

ATLA was amazing

I don’t agree

Honestly any iteration of Vegeta is not meant to carry a long term story as a protagonist unless it's like a movie special or something, only Goku and Gohan are good protagonist for a story arc. Unlike Piccolo, Vegeta narratively is not meant to have friends or be friendly with anyone besides Bulma, Trunks and Bulla so if anything Super does most of what it can by showing Vegeta taking being a father seriously whereas Piccolo it was reasonable to show his progression alongside the Z fighters because he found his first friend in Gohan along with fighting on the same battlefield as the Z-fighters against Nappa and saving Gohan's life in turn of his own in the process, making Piccolo's presence amongst the Z fighters from there after natural at any given time whereas Vegeta narratively would have no motive to interact with anyone beyond fighting besides the Briefs family even with all that has happened in the story so far. I do agree though that Vegeta is watered down by being too attached to Goku now in Super. What made the duo special in the Buu saga was because it was by circumstances of a strong enemy that they worked together like they did not to prove who was stronger between the two, in the original EOZ and GT timelines Goku and Vegeta went their separate ways to train and went years without contact but in Super their main method of training is from the same source which also bring me to another point. In my opinion, the duo of Goku and Vegeta not only watered down their own characters, it also extremely ruined the character of Beerus and Whis from what they were in BOGs compared to anything after because now they just serve as a way for the duo to get stronger or as spectators who can tend to trivialize the main story. Of course Vegeta is gonna seem like he 'reverted' back to his old ways when someone who is on par with him is right next to him as his training partner, in Buu saga and the Shadow Dragons saga, Goku and Vegeta teaming up was a dream team but now seems like a prerequisite to deem the opponent a strong foe, the only time it really clicked from a narrative standpoint with them teaming up and training together in Super was in the Goku Black arc and should have been the only time they pleaded for Whis to train them, not randomly on any given day.

I know you're loving DragonBall Kakumei then. No Goku and Vegeta is shining.

Saw a Mark Hamill video earlier where he was interviewed on that Google Search questions thing and said "I read 4 of these episodes and thought to myself 'yeah this is gonna get cancelled' because its too smart, it doesn't talk down to kids, it talks up to them", perfect summary, good video

I love vegeta seeing him grow from a villain to a man who sacrifices his life to try and save others he’s come to love I see myself and how Iv grown from some pretty bad mistakes. To complete his arc he needs to be the one who finishes frieza off for good to avenge his family and planet l.

vegeta was a struggler in the namek saga, and tactful, after that we have scenes of vegeta constantly taking L's and letting the villains win, sure those scenes may be in character but we see a more competent vegeta in the namek saga. infact the namek saga is the only saga where a main character doesnt let a villain get the upperhand (okay that one scene where goku let freeza powerup to a 100% but he still managed to wreck him)

good video love atla

I agree with u 💯% brother, thanks i feel Vegeta should finally get his shine!!! I resonate with him most out of all characters 🫡

I’m just a greatful guy

I love this show, it's one of my favourites Aang is my favourite, I always like the goofy, childish sense of humor in a character and in his case he isn't seen as the dumb one like in many other shows! And even after he faces his responsibilities he still hasn't lost childish humor besides sticking to his beliefs. Thanks for pointing in out how well written this show is!

Nah I love dbz cause it’s a fighting fest

Vegeta fans when vegeta cares for his family more than commiting genocide. "😡😡😡😡" HE HAS BEEN DOING WHAT HE WANTS WHICH IS CARING FOR HIS FAMILY. HE DIDN'T WANNA JOIN THE TOP BECAUSE BULMA WAS PREGNANT AND WHIS HAD DELIVER THE BABY. He's been caring about his family since the buu saga and only fell back because he thought that was his last chance to face goku. Sure Vegeta should've gotten kill frieza. Overall in the Black arc you could say he's was better than goku whenever he wasn't kaioken. Took out toppo the second biggest threat in the tournament. We just forgetting about moro arc.

Me personally, I think Super just gets hate for no huge reasons. It still has it's ups and downs, but it doesn't have the luxury of Z, because the people who are working on it are worried about doing something wrong, or at least that's what it feels like. In all honesty, I just love it. And to say that Vegeta using his Final Explosion in Super was trash. Bro say that again I DARE YOU! It was fire, man! It showed that Vegeta keeping his ideals, his pride isn't from his ego anymore, but from his place as a father in a family, it's not desperation that he fights Jiern out of, it's the pride of being a father, the pride of having a family to protect, the pride of having all of that to protect... and that's why he failed. Because he had pride. Pride is always someone's downfall, one way or another. That is the main thing that they did with Vegeta that still feels hollow. His pride. His pride shouldn't be like that. He should be more like in the Buu saga, where his pride was more of a story driven thing instead of a latching character trait. I never watched GT but it seems like that's the thing that GT Vegeta has that Super Vegeta doesn't: Humility. Add some actual character growth with Vegeta and it would be great. And just like you said, don't make him follow Goku around like a kid who lost their parent in a store following the employee around. Points like where Goku was fighting Fused Zamasu on his own could have and SHOULD have been a huge character moment for Vegeta, because Goku is doing it again, fighting someone he couldn't touch, just like Kid Buu. The creators of Dragon Ball Super are basically mining gold but leaving it in the walls out of fear of a cave in. Super really has become the Goku show. And in all honesty... that's alright. It appeals to a younger generation of fans. I feel like diehard Z fans don't realize that the same reason Z was such a gem was because it was one of a kind. Just because it's the same series won't mean it always has the same feel. In all honesty, I feel more like the Dragon Ball Super creators are trying to copy off of Z and add it to their own *cough cough* golden frieza vs super saiyan blue, cell max vs beast Gohan, (android 21 vs Vegito [probably eventually]). But in all honesty, I'm here for the novelty. Yes, Vegeta does feel hollow, because the people who make Super make him the other side of the coin for Goku. And I feel like that's good for a story telling perspective. They don't have to keep the Z era feeling. Also the only reason I wrote this is because you dookied on Vegeta's Final Explosion in the Super Anime. It was fire. Cool look go boom haha.

Dragonball z in one of those anime you never think "I wish this happened" or "I wish it was like this" the only other anime with this quality I found is berserk

My argument is this. In Z the dynamic between Goku and Vegeta were about 2 MEN competing to see who was more skilled and stronger. In Super, Vegeta is Goku's babysitter. Vegeta is there to make sure Goku doesn't shit his pants. The dynamic should have evolved from being rivals to being friends, imagine how interesting it would have been to see interactions of Goku and Vegeta as TRUE equal friends. But no, Super completely missunderstood the characters, Goku is a moronic baby and Vegeta a literal second place babysitter. Super makea both characters look worse. And even for the people saying "Super Vegeta is better" Super Vegeta doesn't hold a candle to Z Vegeta in terms of how he is portrayed. Just because he is a nicer dude doesn't mean he is well portrayed. Super Vegeta is just a bland version of Z Vegeta, and im not saying Vegeta should be evil again, im saying Vegeta should hold onto his edge. In Super EVERYTHING is bland and sanitized, the most edgy arc is Goku Black, an absolute shit arc. An edgy character like Vegeta doesn't work whitout any edge on the show.

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