Quick note and a bit of a correction for playing OOP as the preflop raiser! I had a chat with Uri Peleg (high stakes pro and Upswing coach) and he mentioned that he thought Gary and I's explanation for why we don't c-bet OOP often was incomplete. Gary talks about the possibility of being floated and sort of presents that as the driving factor for a high check frequency, but that's only a small part of why we check a lot as OOP in these spots. The main reason has to do with the Button/IP player's preflop calling range, which is very tight for a couple of reasons: 1. There are players behind who can squeeze. 2. Pot odds aren't that good. So when you're OOP vs the Button caller, you don't have a big range advantage on most boards. Even though we as the preflop raiser will have more AK/AA/KK/etc, the Button's range is so condensed. A relatively big proportion of that range will be pocket pairs (some of which will hit sets) and suited hands (some of which will have flush draws). We have to be careful c-betting into that range. There are certain boards where we do have a big advantage even OOP, such as AKx or KQx, and we get to play more aggressive on those flops. But most flops warrant that low bet frequency. Just wanted to share that. See y'all next week.
Amazing videos like always… congrats! If you have a chance can you do videos regarding how to play the turn correctly in different situations; how to be more aggressive in general; common mistakes of deep stack… Thanks a lot for your work!!!
After check-raising? Bet with most flush draws on a brick, but check with some to protect your checking range and keep it more diverse. How to choose which to check and which to bet depends on the board, but I would wager that if you just bet like 75% of them you'll be pretty close to correct frequency.
Question, yesterday I was up and having a solid day of good hands until I ran into a situation. Flop comes 3h Kd 6d, I have A8 of diamonds and bet $15 into a $75 pot and get shoved all in, next player folds and im left in the tank... eventually I called and he had AK, one pair. But I end up losing and not hitting a diamond, was my call and bad or good call? Im just curious for the future to not make the same mistakes. thanks
Totally justified, there is only one logical hand that has a higher equity then your hand and its AK or 66/33. You have higher equity with all other hands. Infact i would prefer jamming that hand to not get bullied at the turn. In total for any other hand like kq, kj, lower flush draw you have (9 diamonds+ 3aces) its ~52% and even with hands like 66/33 or AK you have a 36% equity. Also there is a good chance you might run into hands like Qd Jd, or 9d Td
what does “rb” and “tt” in Q72rb or 643tt? even with context i have _0_ clue what that refers to and when i google poker notation nothing comes up. i seriously have no clue. On the same subject: when people write flops like “A79ss” do they mean 2 of the cards on the flop were spades? Or does ss stand for something specific like rb and tt?
Hi upswing boys: flush draw OOP + PF caller; should you avoid check-raising A-high boards? The reason is for A-high board it favours PF aggressor (AK AQ AA) which is happy to 3-bet my check-raise, which means accelerating the pot when we are behind (only 35%) or so. I wonder if I am making this mistake - by giving credibility to PF aggressor on A-high flops.
you can definitely have some check-raises on Ace-high flops, just not as many. Also greatly depends on the other 2 cards -- you will check-raise on A65 more than AK7 for example. Check out the very first episode of this podcast which covers check-raising. I think you'll find your answer in there.
I have a question on the FD betting. I don't think this rule applies to all players. Say you have a player that folds TOO MUCH. Well generally the chance any single player has a FD in their hand is usually 5-7% of their entire range. How tight you are determines where it falls under with tight players being closer to 7%. By betting you make them fold high card hands that otherwise would stay in. These higher card hard far out number their FDs. So now with a 4th card can bring in at least 8 cards or more ~16% + of hands that will keep them in the hand. Together all this potential equity really sucks against checking the flop. Or against a loose passive fish that will just XC all the way. While betting say 70% pot will get them to fold that range that beats you Axo 2 paint, if they call they are so passive you can see 2 cards. I've ran this in Flopzilla. You are paying 2 streets of flushes in either scenario. And if you hit it and get XRed you can safely fold which is no different than Xing the flop hitting and the tough player betting twice. Except maybe if the tougher player bets normal then overpots it. Then you lose more. I 100% agree against a skilled player that knows how to float, make moves, take you off your hand though. So why does this apply in general?
Raising IIP as a pre-flop caller: also depends what you are repping: 39Tss for example CO v BTN Even if you raise nut flush draw with low kicker, it doesn't get much credence since you are really repping 333 (3 combo), some 9Tss (2 combo), flush draws; so prefer to call flop c-bet on this instance. Villian with AT, 99+ will call you off in a heartbeat. I've seen people going broke shoving flush draw Vs a toptop.
it says vs c-bet, raise nut draws, or check low draws, how can you check vs a c-bet in position? I take it you mean to call. Also, you don't say what to do if the shove vs a raise on the flop, or what to do on the turn or river if you miss or hit...
Quick note and a bit of a correction for playing OOP as the preflop raiser!
I had a chat with Uri Peleg (high stakes pro and Upswing coach) and he mentioned that he thought Gary and I's explanation for why we don't c-bet OOP often was incomplete. Gary talks about the possibility of being floated and sort of presents that as the driving factor for a high check frequency, but that's only a small part of why we check a lot as OOP in these spots.
The main reason has to do with the Button/IP player's preflop calling range, which is very tight for a couple of reasons:
1. There are players behind who can squeeze.
2. Pot odds aren't that good.
So when you're OOP vs the Button caller, you don't have a big range advantage on most boards. Even though we as the preflop raiser will have more AK/AA/KK/etc, the Button's range is so condensed. A relatively big proportion of that range will be pocket pairs (some of which will hit sets) and suited hands (some of which will have flush draws). We have to be careful c-betting into that range.
There are certain boards where we do have a big advantage even OOP, such as AKx or KQx, and we get to play more aggressive on those flops. But most flops warrant that low bet frequency.
Just wanted to share that. See y'all next week.
Hey can you please share the bet size we need to use when we bet on these boards.
Suppose we have a4s, what should the ideal bet size be as IP PFR?
Mad props on the slides full of notes that you provide throughout your videos 👌
this is so good!!! no one does it better than the upswing boys
Amazing content as always! Hands down the best free poker content out there.
Amazing videos like always… congrats! If you have a chance can you do videos regarding how to play the turn correctly in different situations; how to be more aggressive in general; common mistakes of deep stack… Thanks a lot for your work!!!
Great video guys, so much good stuff in there. When your raise gets called how do you adjust your strategy assuming the turn is a brick?
After check-raising? Bet with most flush draws on a brick, but check with some to protect your checking range and keep it more diverse. How to choose which to check and which to bet depends on the board, but I would wager that if you just bet like 75% of them you'll be pretty close to correct frequency.
A video about it could be interesting! Thanks
great video
Great content guys, quick ? @ 7:30 you say the solver likes betting the higher flush draws but your slide shows AK, AQ, AJ, QK should check more ?
great video vanessa selbst must be so proud!
was fantastic i bought the couse
How is the course going for you?
@@blackbeardgoatjr2434 it is really good if you work you became one of the best grinders onlune and live (its amazing what you can get out)
Question, yesterday I was up and having a solid day of good hands until I ran into a situation. Flop comes 3h Kd 6d, I have A8 of diamonds and bet $15 into a $75 pot and get shoved all in, next player folds and im left in the tank... eventually I called and he had AK, one pair. But I end up losing and not hitting a diamond, was my call and bad or good call? Im just curious for the future to not make the same mistakes. thanks
Totally justified, there is only one logical hand that has a higher equity then your hand and its AK or 66/33. You have higher equity with all other hands.
Infact i would prefer jamming that hand to not get bullied at the turn.
In total for any other hand like kq, kj, lower flush draw you have (9 diamonds+ 3aces) its ~52% and even with hands like 66/33 or AK you have a 36% equity. Also there is a good chance you might run into hands like Qd Jd, or 9d Td
what does “rb” and “tt” in Q72rb or 643tt? even with context i have _0_ clue what that refers to and when i google poker notation nothing comes up.
i seriously have no clue. On the same subject: when people write flops like “A79ss” do they mean 2 of the cards on the flop were spades? Or does ss stand for something specific like rb and tt?
rb is rainbow, and tt "two tone"
great 1
Hi upswing boys: flush draw OOP + PF caller; should you avoid check-raising A-high boards?
The reason is for A-high board it favours PF aggressor (AK AQ AA) which is happy to 3-bet my check-raise, which means accelerating the pot when we are behind (only 35%) or so.
I wonder if I am making this mistake - by giving credibility to PF aggressor on A-high flops.
you can definitely have some check-raises on Ace-high flops, just not as many. Also greatly depends on the other 2 cards -- you will check-raise on A65 more than AK7 for example.
Check out the very first episode of this podcast which covers check-raising. I think you'll find your answer in there.
@@mbradycf legend thank you so indeed what I am cautioning against is warranted. Good to know!
Still not sure when to walk away and when to run... and I feel that I gotta know that😊
I have a question on the FD betting. I don't think this rule applies to all players. Say you have a player that folds TOO MUCH. Well generally the chance any single player has a FD in their hand is usually 5-7% of their entire range. How tight you are determines where it falls under with tight players being closer to 7%.
By betting you make them fold high card hands that otherwise would stay in. These higher card hard far out number their FDs. So now with a 4th card can bring in at least 8 cards or more ~16% + of hands that will keep them in the hand. Together all this potential equity really sucks against checking the flop.
Or against a loose passive fish that will just XC all the way. While betting say 70% pot will get them to fold that range that beats you Axo 2 paint, if they call they are so passive you can see 2 cards.
I've ran this in Flopzilla. You are paying 2 streets of flushes in either scenario. And if you hit it and get XRed you can safely fold which is no different than Xing the flop hitting and the tough player betting twice. Except maybe if the tougher player bets normal then overpots it. Then you lose more.
I 100% agree against a skilled player that knows how to float, make moves, take you off your hand though.
So why does this apply in general?
So, did I hear him correctly? He said check AK suited?
I get into trouble playing my nutted draws too aggressively and then having ti get it all in on a draw!
Raising IIP as a pre-flop caller: also depends what you are repping: 39Tss for example CO v BTN
Even if you raise nut flush draw with low kicker, it doesn't get much credence since you are really repping 333 (3 combo), some 9Tss (2 combo), flush draws; so prefer to call flop c-bet on this instance. Villian with AT, 99+ will call you off in a heartbeat.
I've seen people going broke shoving flush draw Vs a toptop.
can someone please share the bet size we need to use when we bet on these boards.
Suppose we have a4s, what should the ideal bet size be as IP PFR?
Which boards?
@@mbradycf the boards discussed in the video. 862tt or 29Ttt.
Also will our strategy change for boards like A46tt or K46tt
Pretty sure I remember in the post flop game plan Doug recommending to check the nut flush draws. How technologie has caught up huh.
that's exactly right! We have updated the Postflop Game Plan (which is now called the Postflop Playbook) to be more appropriate for 2023+
Wish you could make the volume louder I can’t hear this at the gym with my AirPods all the way up
it says vs c-bet, raise nut draws, or check low draws, how can you check vs a c-bet in position? I take it you mean to call. Also, you don't say what to do if the shove vs a raise on the flop, or what to do on the turn or river if you miss or hit...
I don't play low flush draws too weak
You fold them :)
The guest speaks sooo fast, not good 👎👎👎
Remember: some viewers are not from USA
He just talks toooo fast ?
If not the video would be longer and the guys are trying to keep it quick and to the point within that time frame
slow down the video then. RUclips gives you the feature.
@@dannypacini9820 Agree
@@potatoman80085 Agree.
Disagree like the others. The talking speed is just fine for me. RUclips allows you to speed up and slow down videos to your taste.