$300 FULL-FRAME CAMERAS: Canon vs Nikon (Budget Camera Challenge)
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Tony & Chelsea Northrup try to find the best full-frame camera setup for under $1,000 - WITH LENSES! Tony chooses a Canon 1DS, a Canon 28-70 f/2.8 and a Canon 80-200 f/2.8 L (all pro, but from like 20 years ago). Chelsea goes for newer consumer options, choosing a Nikon D600, a Tamron 35mm f/1.8 and a Nikon 105mm f/1.8.
They compete to see who chose the best ful-frame digital camera gear for portraits, landscapes and night photography.
Tony was right when he commented about the big camera body and the impression it makes on a client. A person feels better about paying you to do a job when they see you using equipment that looks bigger and more complex than what they have.
True!
that's why Ive seen a lot of beginner photographers rigging their camera even if it doesnt make sense.
That's the most idiotic comment ever! Typical of idiots. Clients are more knowledgeable than you lot apparently. They know that big cameras don't mean good photos unlike you! And they care about the quality of the photos more than the size of your equipment to compensate for your inadequacies elsewhere! A smaller, lighter more versatile mirrorless camera causes you less fatigue so you can take better photos for longer. And you can rig it up with a hell lot of stuff like cages, brackets, exernal mics, external monitors, LED lights etc. etc. while using a lighter/smaller gimbal. Plus, only a truly mirrorless camera (with EVF) can do computational photography wonders like eye focus/focus peaking/zebra/level indicator etc. etc. Oh wait, you guys don't even know what those things mean. Sheesh...
agree 1000% A client once bought her older Canon DSLR to a shoot when she saw me shooting with my small Sony Mirrorless. Which was in fact, a much better suited camera than her Canon, but size and look matters to some subjects.
The size thing is why I just ate the $350 bucks to put a grip on my a7r IV. I personally don't care about a battery grip, but if it makes the client happy, might as well. I've even had people comment on why I had "that dinky thing" (the Sony) with a Nikon F5 on the other shoulder....
20 years ago we also shot great images. It's about skill.
They say today you cannot get great images unless you have eye tracking and 60fps......the art of photography is being destroyed,
Gear matters too. I’ve been doing this since the 80’s and yes, I got some great shots, but the modern lower noise systems and better glass makes a huge difference.
Well, we shot great images 40 years go, when we shot with a 1964 Nikon F on film!!
Yes, we did. But we also did not capture many great scenes because of the gear. Use your skill and try to shoot action with a 5D mark i. Then use the 5d mark iii. The difference is huge.
@@denisrandomtech5822 NOT knocking gear, it makes things so much easier, but I don't depend on it to make great images!!
My Nikon D700 and D300S are still amazing cameras.
Learn to use your gear properly and you'll get great shots. I have a D300s and D7000 still.
Exactly. Back when they came out, they were amazing cameras, and still are regardless of being older technology.
They already capture everything there is to capture in any scene. New cameras do not magically ruin their pictures.
I still have a D70s, and it's my favorite out of all my cameras. Its pictures look as good as back in 2005 when it came out.
I also have an EOS 5DS R and an a7R II. The D70s' pictures don't look worse than those I take with the higher megapixel cameras.
Those just make bigger, better versions. That "betterness" in my opinion is not necessary at all.
The D70s already has all the picture quality needed. Unless making big prints or wallpapers in 4K resolutions and above, the sensor is enough.
I own a D700 and D300s and a variety of lenses. I use them regularly for different things. Certainly not obsolete and my clients like the results. I have access to a D750 when I need a bit more detail resolution but the other 2 are fine much of the time.
Love your choice. It is actually the same gear I have!
I ran the same setup for wildlife, weddings, portraits and everything in-between. such a good combo, i've got a D3s now to pair with the d700, build quality on those older nikons are unmatched
I just watched a 20 minute ad, and I had fun
LOL.
I absolutely LOVE the chemistry that you two have when you're both on camera at the same time!!! Brings me a smile!
personally the D700 is hard to beat.
great sensor, and can do 9fps with battery grip for sports/action
Your not going to find a good D700 for $300. I’ve suggested Chelsea get the D700 and Tony gets a Canon 5D. Nikon was king with a D700 and D4. But then Nikon got lost when Canon made the 5D Mark II. Supposedly the answer was the D750, but it didn’t quite match up with the Canon.
@@ytr8989 I. bought a d700 last year for $250... only 7000 shutter count as well
Fully agree, D700 is the best used pro DSLR!
@@ytr8989 I got one off eBay for $325. Had a little over 100K actuations and worn rubber, which was easily replaced. Works great.
Also owned the D750 and still own the 5D II, and the D750 walked all over the 5D II. The 5D II just feels unusable in comparison to even the D700, as far as responsiveness and AF reliability. Not to mention image quality.
I`m living in Germany and here the D700 is offered on the used market (Ebay, for example) between approx. 250 to 650 EURO (= approx. 284 to 737 USD) depending on the condition and accessories and of course these prices have been raised recently because the D700 is increasingly recommended not only on RUclips as a very good second-hand camera and as a bargain not only for beginners and the demand is therefore increasing
I actually bought a Nikon D600 for $300 on adorama a year ago and loved it, I finally paired it with a tamron 70-200mm f2.8. I then bought a D810 and was blown away by how much better that camera is over the 600. My 600 is now my backup or secondary when I need it. I am a firm believer in budget gear and getting the best bang for your buck.
You two are a hoot to watch. So very entertaining that you took my mind off my cancer surgery pain. Now that’s doing something.
The word professional knows your names well. Thanks!
Get better soon
I wish you less pain and suffering and a speedy recovery.
Best of luck to you !!!
Get well, soon!
Hope you are doing better. Nice expression!
I have Nikon D3 and its similar to the 1D that Tony used in terms of process. But I got it specifically because it feels so close to shooting film. Takes film lenses like a champ and has a focus meter for them. Great choice if you have Nikon film stuff and need a digital camera.
I kept mine and still love it!
I use an F6 as main and for backup or spontaneous trips i carry a D3. My second favorite camera ever built, only surpassed by the F6. 765.000 shutter count, never failed on me and still going strong. Such an awesome piece!
I have one but it's so heavy I rarely want to lug it around!
just a tip for anyone grabbing these second hand bargains - jump online and grab any latest firmware updates. The majority of second hand stuff i've bought (like 9/10), have never been updated. In the case of the D600 in this video, firmware update 1.04 / distortion control 2.018 seemed to improve the autofocus accuracy and performance in my recently aquired D600.
Finally gear I can relate to! I have the Tamron 35 and a D610. Good combo. Af's perfectly well.
I use 24-120 , 80-200 and 50mm with d610
@@reeju6912 Among my lenses is a Nikon 28-105 I got for $80! Works just fine.
Same here...
I still have my D610 and tamron 35mm f/1.8 and yes the lens is beat up on the outside but i love how sharp it is and good contrast. Not sure the Image stabilization is working. I have a newer 105 with VR and like it too but it’s getting too heavy for me. If I had to choose second lens would be my Nikon 85 f/1.8 G. Too bad it doesn’t have VR but it is light and sharp and bright. Two primes at f/1.8. Personally I don’t care about the image of big lenses and big bodies. Comfort is more important. I’m with Chelsea in this challenge obviously. .Hahha
The 28-75 2.8 tamron is a good lens too. Cheap as weel
Thank you Tony and Chelsea for the suggestions for KEH cameras. I had a house fire and lost some of my equipment and this will help me with ideas on replacing. Always enjoy your videos.
I bought a used D700 awhile ago and simply love it. Sure I would like a D850 or a full frame mirror-less but for my budget and needs the D700 is perfect.
What is the current price for a d700?
Back in the day, the D700 was the camera of choice for the photographers at the newspaper I worked for.
I am still using the D700 for studio portraits and it is great and I used it for years for pro weddings. I use D750 now for outdoor and higher pixel resolution. I still own both cameras.
@@amagnier I paid $200 for a body, the original box, two chargers, seven batteries and a release cable.
Knowing what I do now, I would have paid $300
The d700 is still a solid body
I’m an old film guy who transitioned to digital about 10 years ago. It was tough but finally succeeded mostly by shooting if it were still film in all manual modes, including iso. I do wonder off now and then but when it’s critical I resort to all manual .
I started photography last year with a nikon FM2. I plan on getting a DSLR, but I’m glad I started with the basics - I’ll get one when I feel I’ve improved enough
Have you seen the movie "Kodachorome"? As an old film guy, you might enjoy it.
@@captmaniac yes I have, and you’re correct, I liked it and could relate. I found a roll of Kodachrome that I had shot years and years ago needing development. I couldn’t find anyone with the correct chemistry. One was close but told me it will look very strange and would have to charge me a lot because it would require complete new 1x use of the chemicals . I tossed the roll.
Yes, my muscle memory continuously tracks focus and the right only has to match needle, speed or aperature.
No freaking computer programming to pull my head out of visual mode and post processing can deal with the rest.
Chelsea's pop-in at 8:08 about being small is pretty funny.
Just right size
Canon 5D classic (12MP) and a nifty fifty is all you need. Just used that combo yesterday, and it takes my favorite portraits. I also use that old version 24-70 f/2.8 L. Pure fun 👌👌
my go to is 5d classic and 35mm f2 lens. to my shock that lens matches the sharpness and contrast just like an L lens...so now it doesn't come off, although I just scored a 100mm f2 today...
So what were the final scores? I think personally Chelsea had the best kit overall, the D600 is a brilliant wedding and portrait camera and she bought the right lenses for the job. Her photos were much more aesthetically pleasing. Great job!
D500 how much is it cost n can u say something bot its battery. My wedding is a head and I believe that I can have a good camera with low price. Plz guide me how to achieve?
@@qalbimann7089 Buy a Nikon D700
@@itsjim2875
Where can I buy this camera? Which lens is the best for it. Plz guide. Thanx
@@qalbimann7089 It is used. Search online. Reasonable single lenses: Nikon 24-120 or Tamron 24-70/2.8 or Chelsea's purchases in this video. But if you are shooting YOUR(!) own wedding, better get a super wide for those selfies. I 'd bring a 15mm, if I 'd shoot at all and a 90mm, if there is nobody else to shoot the bride (and we won't skimp on dolling her up). In all other cases: Hire a pro! Don't bother with recruiting "Uncle Bob"s, whom you'll have to lend gear, they aren't familiar with.
"Uncle Bob"s, who are still confident their own gear could handle the dim venues you 'll toss at them, after scouting and metering there, are fine and you shouldn't care if the Internet tells they should shoot different gear.
@@itsjim2875 it's interesting to me, I usually see the D600 a bit higher priced than the D700 although a lot of the D700's are over 100K. I'd prefer the D700 also, but the D600 is a very nice camera also
Love these cheap camera ones. While seeing all the latest and greatest is awesome, showing people what you can still manage on a budget could inspire people.
Well said
I'd have gone with a 5dmk2 and the trio 1.8 primes. Cheapest setup with the best bang for buck!
how is the focus on the Mrk ii version. i read lots of people had focusing issues??
camera price got down but idk about the lenses, it's stills pretty high :((
Can I suggest the 6d, or the 6d mark 2? If you don't need weather sealing, dual card slots, or lots of focus points, there's a big saving over the 5d, and I don't think image quaility will suffer. This leaves you with lots of change to get some decent lenses.
@@aceflibble - Yes. I just had a look on MPB (UK), and sure enough, the 5D mark 2 is available for much less than the 6D. The only snags (for me) are the additional weight and, as far as I can see, the 5D mark 2 is still using Compact Flash cards, which I would avoid. It's not the reliability. It's the availability of cheap high capacity cards, the ability to use the same cards as all my other digital cameras, and the possibility of being unable to use the camera once Compact Flash finally goes obsolete.
Actually, on second thoughts, I do still have one camera that takes Compact Flash. It's a Canon Powershot A20, which had a whopping 2.1 megapixels, and a postage stamp sized display on the back. It looks slightly ridiculous now, but at the time it blew me away. Being my first digital camera I was impressed by its ability to expose correctly even at dusk, which my old Kodak Instamatic 155X could never manage. However, it did eat through 5 AA batteries in less than a day.
@@aceflibble Actually the 6D has some amount of weather sealing (70D level).
6D2 is costly. Not many on the market since they initially did not sell tooo well and the people who bought one love it.
6D vs 5D2 - I would take the 6D. Better sensor in general and even more so in HighISO situations. And while the AF is not the best it will work with very little light. Better portrait camera overall.
This is a fantastic video! I definitely recommend DSLR based kits to most people who have budget limitations of $1,000 or less. I loved Tony's lens selection of the 80-200mm f/2.8 L, but I probably would have traded out the 28-70 for, say, a 35mm f/2 or maybe a 50mm f/1.8 and a 28mm f/1.8 depending on prices. I probably would have tried to start at maybe a 1DS Mark II as I believe many of the features missing from the Mark I were present in the Mark II to include dual card slots and, I believe, live view with a 16MP sensor that would have closed the gap on resolution between the two bodies. Of course, then, lenses are more limited, but the possibilities are endless!
Maybe not the 1ds, the low light is terrible. For a cheap full frame dslr, ill still go with 5d2 (and just use the centre auto focus point). Great video guys!
Yeah, 1DS was a strange choice. The 5D2 is only a little more expensive while being almost double the resolution, having better noise performance, better dynamic range, and can shoot video.
I love my 1DS for sport photography but for stills it’s not too bad with a good lens
5D1 is the best choice. Sharper photos and best colour of any Canon out there. and cheap..
i need to say that the image sensor in the nikon d600 much much supeerior than the 5d mk 2 in techincal aspects
@@TechnoBabble I thought Chelsea's choices made more sense.
Love everything about this video! Choosing gear, finding bargains, the challenges, the fun mood… you guys rock 😍👌
D3 all the way. I have a D3, D750, and a D810 and the D3 is my go to body for portrait photography. That and the 80-200 f2.8 is amazing!
Also using a D3 and D750 agree the D3 is the go to.
THIS is what its about guys - we need more videos like this, more combinations so like a $1000 action photographers setup, then say a $1000 portrait setup etc etc
Ditto!
@The Stadia Revolution exactly nor justify it when it's not your full time job!
I have been waiting to switch to mirrorless and have held onto my D600 for a decade, quite nice to see you guys using it in this challenge! (thinking about Z7ii or Z6ii)
Yeahh me too! I've been using a Nikon D3200 for a decade and planning to buy a
Z7II
Old bodies and good glass definitely the way to go. My Canon DSLRs are *embarrassingly* old but I still get great results with them (provided I don't want to do video!)
Canon modern consumer DSLR sucks, I have the 750D/T6i since 2016 and I just got mainboard replacement. Also the autofocus is never precise. Sold it for 5D mark ii and everything is better, sharper focus and yes, bigger balls.
I have upgraded to a modern Canon DSLR with video... a feature that I, as a photographer, will NEVER use! But my astigmatism is such that I can't grab focus as fast as I used to, so the focusing features were the draw. I still LOVE my old camera bodies though!!
I shoot on $20 film glass with no regrets lol. But I've spent WAY too much money on KEH. "Oh, that ones only $30! And its a weird film lens! MINE!" XD
@@danieljones8706 If it weren't for gently used equipment I wouldn't be able to satisfy my gear habit! (I could quit if I wanted to.)
I agree, I'm still using the 7D mark 1 and it's working flawlessly so I don't see any good reason to upgrade it. And those you can get today for $200-300 with a low shutter count.
You just proved that a high megapixel count isn’t necessary, Go Olympus!!
MFT lacks in a lot more areas than just resolution...
@@youknowwho9247 yeah right.
@@andreasthegreat8509 Let's be real here. Olympus didn't die off because they were limited to 20 mpix, they died because their terrible noise performance and lack of ability to create subject isolation put them too close to smartphones in terms of overall image quality. Add to that the fact that MFT became ridiculously overpriced over the years and you got a system that no sensible person would buy into.
@@youknowwho9247 strange, there’s professionals using it without any problem.
Haha, the camera that I fell in love with the hobby with, is still the main DSLR I have- the D600. It was rugged, and paired with cheap primes, met all my needs and produced beautiful, rich images. So much so that I heartily believed I never would need another camera again, because the returns would be diminishing and I was already content. Other than a few off-shoot forays into rangefinders and a big pivot to film shooting for the tactility and slow pace of it, I still think the D600 is plenty enough for the vast majority of people getting into the hobby and working on their skills.
The back of the technology wave surfs just as fast as the front of the wave, but is an order of magnitude cheaper
Underrated comment. I really like this metaphor.
Tony And Chelsea, thank you thank you THANK YOU for the video!!! Took a chance and went Keh Online and, couldn't believe it, got a Bargain Canon L series 8-15mm fisheye for $800 total!!! (taxes and discount code included!!!) That lens has been so dang elusive for me at a good price, and to find it with your help, I'm only singing praises!!! THANK YOU!!!! ❤❤❤😎👌
Really enjoyed the video. I agree with some of the other comments about maybe doing a repeat using Canon 5D Mark II and Nikon D700.
That’s it, I’m hanging on to my D200 until the CCD sensor look comes back around, with the resurgence of film it shouldn’t be that long of a wait. Lol.
You really should. I’ve a bit of sellers remorse after I sold my D200. At base ISO that CCD sensor produces the nicest looking DX photos. Period.
Definitely, I agree with Tony....I would go with old gear. I own a nikon d700 with great old nikon d glass. and a Canon 5d classic with only a nifty fifty.
Thank you Tony and Chelsea; she made a good model for your photos Tony, and is such a good sport
I'd still get the Sony a6000 and 2 of sigma's trio f1.4 primes.
Yes low light and accurate focusing with better video specs
I have the a6000 but for paid shoots I bring my canon 5dii that I bought cheaper than the sony. What Tony said about looking pro is not as silly as it sounds
@@Caracalaba whatever gets you the best photos
@@Caracalaba no, it's not silly. I'm very aware of that as I owned the a6000 for 4 years and did plenty of paid work with it, real estate, acting and modeling headshots, high school seniors, families etc. I've had instances where people weren't taking me seriously because of it. I let my final results do the talking though. Ironically, the ones who had problems with it, were into photography or used to be photographers.
I now own the a7riii, bought it last Christmas.
@@Caracalaba yep wedding venue had loads of professional photographers trying to sell there services, the one thing that kept propping up was the customers were going to the guys who had the biggest gear, that was DSLRs equipment, the people that had the mirrorless kit I'd say was getting 50% less interest because there gear is a lot smaller and looks less professional to the customers who know nothing about cameras and gear, the old saying size matters is so true
Her silly wink killed me 🤣
As someone who shot on a 1d mk ii, i approve this video, wish i went with the 1ds honestly
I started photography back in 1971 age 14. I got my first SLR camera in 1976 Zenit E. A few years later I got the Nikon EM in 1981. I also used film super 8 cine cameras. Gear has come along way since 35mm film. But having a good understanding of how to use the gear we have is also a key point to getting great results. We move with the time's. I've used many camera's in my lifetime. Mainly Nikon. One of my favorite cameras was the Nikon D750. I moved over to Sony mirrorless 2 year's ago. I think as long as you enjoy photography it doesn't matter what you use. Enjoy the experience.
Zenit E, a Russian DSLR was my first that I purchased in 1976. It was good for portraits. My next SLR was a Pentax ME followed by Nikon FG and Nikon FA. It was fun indeed.
I recently bought Canon 6D Mark I for 350Eurs, as a replacement for my Canon SL1 and I am very happy. I miss the touchscreen but overall it is a great camera even to today's standards, it has GPS and WiFi. Autofocus could be better but the center point is good enough. Investment in better lenses is definitely the way... it makes a huge difference, I purposely collected several full-frame lenses in the past few years, and if you don't need autofocus I recommend getting used Samytang(Rockinon) f1.4 lenses I have 35mm and tested 85 and 50... the performance for the price is just stellar.
Great example that you don't need expensive gear to take great pictures!
That was actually expensive gear. It is just old and devalued.
@@jtcmlt1 that's what I meant, just because it used to be expensive doesn't mean its expensive now
@@isaacfeinberg4623 Got it
My two favorite lenses are ~30-years old. A Nikkor 180mm f/2.8 and a 300mm f/4. They render beautiful images and are built like tanks. I think I spent less than $800 on them combined 3 or 4 years ago.
They aren't necessarily practical enough to get a ton of use (AF is slower with screw drive lenses), but I love it when I can use them.
mine is 36 years old, the first AF tele 70-210mm constant F/4.
This is one of the better creator + sponsor calab I'v seen :)
My long-at-tooth Nikon 7100 with its big live-view screen, 24 megapixel crop sensor, intuitive form factor, good dynamic range and dual card slots still produces excellent results. Get one used and add good, stabilized glass (although the Nikon 18-140mm kit zoom is a very good lens.)
That is an awesome camera. I chose that one any time I go hiking, camping or on a trip somewhere.
6:20 That was amazing Chelsea. I laughted hard 🤣
Man, you have a wife who is a photographer as you are. What else do ya need. You have the best life.
My gear is all second hand from the danish Vefafoto, Fuji. But i mostly shoot analog at the moment, with Leica R gear (also second hand)
This is my favorite video that you guys have made
D600 is absolutely great camera - it produces THE SAME images as D750, tho D750 has a few other advantages over D600/D610
I wouldn't call being better in literally every way outside of just technical image quality "a few other advantages. You can literally look at any possible aspect of the camera not related to the sensor and the D750 is better. Most importantly the autofocus is significantly better.
D600 was definitely the right choice. There’s also tons of Nikon AF-D lenses that you can’t use with autofocus on mirrorless, which means they are cheap and getting cheaper. I was shooting a 5D II for years before switching to cthe D600, and I see all the things I disliked about my 5D in Tony’s 1D: blown highlights, poor ISO performance, tiny buffer. The only “issue” is the sensor oil spot problem that some D600s had, but seriously it’s no problem, just buy some sensor swabs and clean regularly. Honestly, I have to clean my mirrorless sensors way more often than I did the D600, because the sensor is unprotected when I change lenses with mirrorless: you get used to cleaning quickly and it is really easy to do.
Nikon's always been known for their sensors, too. Canon moreso for its glass. It's really only NOW with the R5 and R6 that Canon is ACTUALLY pretty much right on par with Nikon in sensors. I absolutely LOVE THEM for my R5. But Nikon 100% deserves its reputation!
Absolutely. D600 sensor is still one of the best sensors ever produced. Dxo says that D600 sensor outperforms newest Z6II in portrait. Chelsea just made some poor photos. Sorry.
I got two 50mm f1.8D lenses at 80-90$ each. Wonderful little lenses.
Pentax K3 or K70 with Tamron 24-70 f2.8 still under $1000 also plenty of prime lenses available . You could also get a used K70 or K3-iii with the latest 55-300 Plm lens . All Pentax DSLR's have IBIS and a lot more features than the models you chose plus much better image quality ratings in DXOmark.
You guys are amazing!!! Because you're such experts on gear, you can use any gear and make beautiful photos. I learn so much from you. Thank you.
Oh nice! I just used your code to buy a used d500 earlier tonight!
Congrats! Happy shooting!
Ohhhhh thats what I have been looking for!!!
Awesome.
That's an amazing camera for sports and wild life. Super fast and accurate autofocus and outstanding sharpness. Can compete with most of the last generation cameras and kick the ass badly to most of them. Congrats!
I miss the look my D70s produced for gritty street photography. That’s sensor wasn’t great but it definitely had character and was fun to use.
The D80's sensor is great to this day.
I had the Nikon D90 and really miss it. I upgraded but lost the joy of photography in the process.
I have disability and photograph with one hand only. I use a Canon 50D and still is my main camera to shoot. I cover events and shoot in home studio :) Surely new cameras has faster and better focus points. But in general I'm still satisfied with my camera.
I sold all my gear a few years ago, and an gearing back up purely for granddaughter, birds, and landscape purposes. So glad I found this vid.
Just recently my 5D4 went to service and I used my old 5D. Guess what: The pictures turned out just as good! Even the dynamic range was enough. Not great maybe in comparison to newer cameras, but enough to raise the shadows in the needed amount, and enough just is enough! And let's not forget: Even with an old film camera, a good lens will produce a good picture - if you get the focus managed. Fun fact: The old EOS 3 (film camera) has a MUCH better AF system than the much younger digital 5D. I have both, and the EOS 3 is the better camera, it can do everything the 5D can and much more - if you are willing to shoot film in 2021. So if you put a lens with good CA correction, pretty bokeh and decent sharpness on any full frame camera, it will look great. And really: The number of pixels isn't as important as sensor size. I used the old 5D and an old 7D. The 5D pictures with 12MP looked more detailed and crisper than the pictures of the 7D with 18MP. If i had known that back than, i would never have gone APS-C.
i miss my T-90 and 25 ASA vel.
I don’t want to be watching videos on camera gear but you guys just make it so much fun! 🤩
I love using my Canon 400mm EF f5.6 L lens for bird photography. This lens was originally released in 1993! I believe mine was made in 2011. I'm adapting it to a Canon EOS M50 mirrorless that is three years old. Because I'm using it on an APS-C crop sensor, I am getting the equivalent of 640mm. I love the sharpness and image quality of this old lens.
This was an excellent idea! It points out that switching cameras brings with it interesting and odd differences not imagined prior to the switch. Having the same thought process going from my DSLR to mirrorless and wondering if this is the moment to switch to medium format. Really, really enjoyed watching this! Great job! to the both of you.
Clever ad, albeit entertaining as well, kudo's to whomever thought this up at KEH or?
nice try from them but im sticking with MPB for used gear lol
Today, being older and wiser I ALWAYS buy used! Just traded in a box of gear, including a 6D which I bought from KEH; and am waiting arrival on Wednesday a Canon 6D Mark ll. I have good Canon glass including the 28-70 2.8 that you used. Can't wait. Taking all on a 3 week solo trip to Utah this fall!
Crazy that $1000 is “budget” gear
For only a little bit more, you can buy much better gear. Professional grade cameras that are even 10 years old have artificially high prices.
It's a budget, just not the lowest one.
@@RobbyJHope how are prices "artificially high" if the camera was $3000-7000 originally?
@@UnconventionalReasoning figure it out
@@RobbyJHope in other words, you don't have an answer, you just wanted to whine about it?
Tony will win the portrait challenge since his subject is prettier❗️😉❗️🥰😍😘
Way out of his league!
Hey Chelsea and Tony. I have 3 Canons....1D mark ii, 5D classic and a Rebel T3i *Kiss). I love the old school feel and having this mix challenges me through the learning curve. Lens I commonly shoot with are 24-70L, 70-200 4L, 50mm 1.4 sigma....having fun as we hike!!!
Considering the price of full frame DSLRs and value, if going Nikon I would pick a D750, D610 or a D700, even if used and for Canon a 5D3 or 6D or 6Dii and used is fine. For used you might find these cameras at $500 to $1000 depending on shutter activation, not sure about $300. I know people who have a 5D2 and are happy with it, good files however 5D3 is a bit better at higher iso. I own both the D750 and D700, rented and used the D610, however I have also edited Canon 5D2 and 5D3 wedding photo files from a second shooter, and from low light conditions at high ISO, I prefer the files of 5D3. At lower ISO below 800 ISO, though the 5D2 and 5D3 are close in image quality.
This video was one of the many that I looked at before I bought a ten year old D600, after trying out a D3200 for a while.
I bought them largely because I have a few SP Tamron Adaptalls, and plenty of Nikon mounts, as well as some reasonable AI and AI-S glass I'd acquired over the years.
Unlike my EOS Canons, the Nikon bodies will do auto mechanical stop-down on shoot, which makes them much nicer in use. As I grew up with mechanical-everything cameras, there's no learning curve involved, apart from taking advantage of the new plays that digital brings to the party.
So far, the results have been pretty good.
Oddly, it's like I've come full circle, as the first decent camera I bought when younger was a Nikon.
It’s okay to make money through ads, but it’s a turnoff when it feels like the entire video is one big ad.
They also call themselves photographers but couldn't even get the basics correct. They quality of content has plummeted substantially.
@@mcunner yes, it's like they are super noob.
Terrible channel
An ad for 12 year old cameras?
How? Maybe the first part but the rest is high quality fun footage if u gonna hate go to another channel 🤣
Something to consider. Those pro cameras are usually well used. The prosumer cameras generally have tons of life left in the shutter. I regularly see them with 15k or less shutter acuations.
Well, I am a fan of an extraordinary photographer from Indonesia that is a master of Illumination and Light control, Rarindra Prakarsa. And he started with a Canon EOS 300D with only 6MP, and his pictures are so awesome, I can not describe them in full. Photography is not about your equipment, but your ability of using what you have available. I will continue checking on this photographer and use my faithful cameras, a Nikon F2 from 1973, and a Pentax 100D from 2007...........
I think from 5D or 5D Mk II to now, image quality hasn’t improved much. Low light? Sure. Megapixels? Ok. Autofocus? Of course. But for casual photography, you’re not missing out on much.
Personally I have seen files from the 5D2 and the 5D3 and I have edited them both from low light high ISO files, and the 5D3 is a lot better for low digital noise at high ISO, such as from 1600iso and higher iso, significantly better than 5D2. Probably not as much difference in images below 800 iso though. I would pick a 5D3 over a 5D2.
@@adrianvanleeuwen I understand. Personally, I have a 6D with excellent low light capability. I also have an R6 and when I pixel peep, it’s even better. But not by much.
@@adrianvanleeuwen At high ISO, sure, the mk III is a little bit better, but at low ISO the II is equally clean _and_ has more DR. The release of the mk III was not met with unanimous applause specifically because the low ISO performance actually took a step backwards.
It's actually even the same with a 5D and a 5D4. I own both and just had my 5D4 at the service, so i used my old 5D again. Guess what: the pictures turned out just as good. Even the dynamic range was enough for the situation. The 5D4 has further headroom if you get the exposure wrong. But if you expose properly on the 5D, the dynamic range is sufficient for daytime portraits even in contrasty situations. If you get the exposure wrong in a contrasty situation, you're lost on the 5D. But if you're spot on, it is enough. All my photos were spot on, and all of them turned out perfectly. Of course, for landscape work and heavy editing, the 5D4 does everything much better. But even in this area of photography, the old 5D is more than usable.
The REAL problem is the crap monitors on old cameras. We forget how important a good monitor is......UNTIL YOU DON’T HAVE ONE!
I probably would have gotten the 5D Mk II or 6D. Both excellent choices for a very tight budget!
If I had those prices up here in Canada, my camera shelf would be full of cameras and lenses.
I have 2, 1Ds'. One problem I have is, you need a separate computer to run windows Vista or older system on; in order to set some things on the camera.
This is crazy, this video comes out the day I get my D3S in the mail from KEH! (Just a fun mess around camera)
Thanks for that one ! I've definitely started looking more at the used market more and have come up with some incredible bargains !
I'll stay with my old dependable Nikon D500 and D810 camera bodies. No issues with either camera as far as reliability or performance. I also occasionally still uses my old Nikon D300s body, which is great reliable camera and very inexpensive used these days. Also, the D810 and D500 use the same battery.
I have and still use a Nikon D600. and I love it
Tony should have gotten a Canon 5D MkI with a decent lens or two. Or get a 6D and the nifty 50mm f1.8 and another prime. From the film days I can certainly agree with put your money into good glass. Wanting to go with full frame not long back I went that way with a new Tamron sp 24-70mm f/2.8 di vc usd lens and an exc+ used Tamron sp 70-200mm f/2.8 di vc usd. I bought the used Tamron lens from KEH. On a whim I picked up an exc+ 7D along with the lens. I picked up the Canon 6D in excellent condition for just under $500 (love the low light performance) from a place I used to work. The 6D does great, can do 1080 video if I absolutely want to (not a beg deal for me.) I figured the APS-C 7D would make a solid action/wildlife camera with the 70-200. I had been shooting two Sony a6000 bodies (swapped from a Nikon D90s) with some nice primes and the kit telephoto zoom lens. Great cameras, but I spent some time making a living with a Nikon FM and a couple of lenses back in the film days. I had the Nikon F4S when I was shooting more for fun and using a long roll camera for volume portraiture. The DSLRs just fit the hand and feel more like home. I like the option of an optical viewfinder. I'm going backwards on bodies. I picked up an exc+ 20D just because it was more like shooting with a film camera. No gimping. Shoot and wait until you get home to check the images on the computer. You have to get it right in camera and know what you are doing in terms of exposure, depth of field, etc.. I'm wanting a Canon 5D Classic for the simplicity, the toughness, and that kind of image they produce. Those old pro and semi-pro bodies still have great ergonomics, are rugged, and can produce some nice images.
Btw, I did a family portrait shoot recently with the 6D. (I just shoot clients here and there these days,) Yep, even after I said I wanted to do it late afternoon/early afternoon I get a text that morning that they are heading my way. I had to shoot during the worst part of the day. Reminded me of why I walked away from photography back in the late 90s. LOL. I shot a few with the Canon 20D with the 40mm f2.8 STM just to see how it did. It actually handled the mid-day stuff quite well.
Very true about appearances. I could stroll around with the Sony mirrorless bodies and nobody notices much. First time I pulled out the Canon 6D with one of the big Tamron 2.8 lenses on I had someone ask, "Who are shooting for?" Perception is reality often enough. Just like wandering around with a digital rangefinder or something like my little Sony a5000 you get very little in the way of attention. The Sony a5000 is very cool and capable little camera btw. It shares the lenses and batteries with my a6000s, but in a compact and fun little camera. I keep the Sony 35mm f1.8 on it generally. Okay, this is way too long, but you asked what we used and would have chosen.
Such a cool challenge! I still have a Nikon D70 and a Nikon D7000. It's amazing how well both these old cameras perform! While the D7000 shoots higher megapixels, the results from the old D70 still amaze me in certain instances. I can get great pics from either camera when I use my F2.8 70 - 200mm Nikkor lens! The video capability of the D7000 is awesome. Thanks for a very entertaining video - greetings from South Africa!
So granted this is a year old now but I feel like my starter setup is a good competitor. I started with a low shutter count a6000 and a Sony 2.8/20mm. That’s around 400 to 450 for those. About 3 months later I got a Sony 1.8/50mm for 140 and then more recently I got a Sigma 1.4/30mm on sale but retail is only 300. That’s under or around 1000 for a relatively modern and versatile setup. Plus if you upgrade to a FF Sony down the line those lens will work on it.
I loved this challenge! You guys need to do a version 2 with what you would have changed about your choices!
I would go for a used Canon 6d. You can get them for around 450$ with a shuttercount of less then 30.000. You have to use the center autofocus point but you get beautiful colors and very good low light capabilities plus 20mp.
Still using mine as the upgrade to the mkii wasn’t worth it.
i still use my D300s as my backup, had to rely on it more than once and it give me the same pictures as my D850, just not as large.
I want to renew my D300, but D850 has too big files for me. Should I keep it?. what lenses do you use. I have a 70-200 2.8 and resolution is amazing!. But with my 50 1.8 can't say the same.
@@orangetulip0 I'd say keep it as a backup if you're doing professional. If not, still keep it, its value as an item on a shelf is more than it's worth to sell. File wise, you can always use compression, or select a lower resolution, which I always do for anything except landscape. I have the 80-200 F2.8, 200mm F2 VR and a 18-200 F4.5-5.6 DX VR, I mainly use the 18-200 on my D300s, I put on the 200mm F2 whenever I shoot amateur sports since it gives better performance in sports when I'm in need of a backup i.e. recording video with D850. I also have a 35mm 1.8 which I use in street photography, sometimes on my F4.
If I had the $1,000 for a new camera and lens I would take a newer crop sensor kit and get a mirrorless Nikon, Canon, Sony, or Fuji. I have had mostly Nikon cameras, but also Sony. I currently have the Nikon Z50 and the Z7. You can easily get the Nikon Z50 with lenses, and the same with Canon, Sony, or Fuji. These would be much more modern cameras that also include good video.
The one thing you both proved is that it is the person behind the camera. Great job enjoyed it very much.
I think it's so sweet that she does this chan with her dad. It's lovely to see 👌
12 years difference, not a big deal
@@g-r-a-e-m-e- would have guessed 30 😬
@@Luke..luke..luke.. Ouch!
Chelsea has already got the gold ring, it’s on her finger, that’s why the smirk. 🤣
she knows even if tony wins the challenge she won the marriage so hah
This is legitimately the best commercial for a camera resale website. Well done.
Well it’s December 2023 as I’m typing this. I still regularly shoot my Nikon D3 and D2Xs. I own a Z6 mirrorless but I’m not thrilled with it for stills to be honest. It’s my staple for my video work. I also have an ancient D2h that still takes stunning photos at such a low resolution. You wouldn’t believe me but if you saw the prints you would be in awe. Glass glass glass.
The 1DS is amazing. It was the first full frame DSLR that actually worked. Even though I own many cameras, I still use my 1DS a lot. It has very good auto focus, amazing colors, great user interface, and produces beautiful photos. I have a large number of both film and digital cameras. More cameras than I can quickly count. Two cameras that I will never sell, are the Canon 1DS, and the Nikon D700.
I realize that most people are about the having the best spec sheet. I on the other hand, strongly believe in having the best user interface and great predicable color science. Thumbs up for a great video! Also I have bought several cameras from KEH and I have never been disappointed. I give KEH two thumbs up!
Photos of Chelsea will always look better .
My 80-200 is over 25 years old and nearly falling apart, but I love it to death. I even use it on my Sony mirrorless with an adapter.
The camera I use right now is the X-t10. It serves my purposes. Since I shake really badly (I'm pre Parkinson), I am considering getting an X-s10 or newer Fuji X camera with IBIS. I'll probably get whatever I get used from KEH. I know I'll have to pony up for a Fuji with IBIS (because most don't have it because Fuji favors ILIS), but it is something I require to get the best possible photo.
still rocking a D750 with my trusty 14-24 :D
2:22 You can definitely tell Chelsea is trying to hold her laugh and embarrassed when saying the double 69s🤣🤣🤣
This video came a few days too late for me. Nevertheless, I think I did pretty well.
I bought a Canon EOS 6D (mark 1) from MPB for around £500, and a cheap lens bring the total to £563. Not sure if you have MPB over in the USA, but they do a similar job to KEH.
My reasoning was that I already have a crop frame Canon DSLR (an EOS 760D), and a 400mm lens. The lens is useable on a crop frame Canon EOS, but is designed to work on a full frame camera, so, you're carrying around a lot of extra glass that never gets used. Plus, I have a couple of film SLRs, and at least one lens which I bought for use with these, but can also be used on full frame digital cameras.
I thought £500 for a full frame DSLR was something of a bargain, given that there is nothing out there for less than £1000 new. True, it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the latest cameras, but I don't see why the image quality shouldn't be almost as good, and I get to make use of my old lenses.
It's interesting that I hit the spot somewhere between Chelsea and Tony's choices. I'm not sure I could go down to 12 megapixels, and there's no way I am going back to Compact Flash cards (pricey, low capacity, maybe starting to get rare). On the other hand, I don't really see the need for more than 25 megapixels. The 6D has 20.2 megapixels, which should be adequate, and a single SD card slot. It even shoots HD video (although I haven't tried it yet, and I hear it isn't great).
When the camera arrived I was staggered at the good condition it was in. It was rated on their website as "good", but honestly, if I had bought this brand new I would be more than happy with the camera's condition.
Disclaimer: I don't work for MPB, and I haven't been payed to be nice to them, but they are a great company. Wex also do second hand and I've had no problems with them either. I thoroughly recommend buying secondhand from a dealer. You could try ebay and save a few quid, but honestly, sometimes the price difference is negligible, and you won't get a guarantee with ebay.
Honestly I was a big fan of adorama for years but you guys kinda convinced me to try keh and now I'm sold. Keh is my new go-to. I like the grading better and they seem to have a better selection in general and way better prices. I still use adorama if keh doesn't have what I need but they usually have everything.
My best buy last year was an Olympus EM-1 with winder in EX condition and low shutter count for $299.99. Best thing about a pro grade body like this was the easy firmware upgrades that add new features. Good advice on used gear.
"my mind is a gold ring". Ding ding 100 points! Chelsea wins the internet :D
She could have bought an older Tamron...
Really fun seeing how completely different sets of cameras competed. Loved the 1Ds portraits.