I think they are BOTH superb bulbs that are simply FAR, FAR, better then any OEM stock HID your vehicle comes with. In the end, it's really a matter of color choice and what kind of climate your driving in year round. For me living in New England, MA too be exact. The Philips was a no brainer.
I have the Philips xv2 4800k rebased to a H11B paired with Hylux 45w ballast. Assuming the bulbs themselves are legit genuine “philips” capsules, they are pretty bright and have a good throw- distance wise and pretty wide beam. This is on a 2014 Honda Accord. Clean OEM look.
I installed the OSRAM Nightbreaker Lasers on my car. It has Projector Headlights from the factory. I tested the Lux with my phone (not an accurate test) but I made sure my readings were consistent and I told NO DIFFERENCE in illuminance between Factory and Osram's (330 for all bulbs except for one and I account age for the difference in the one). Color. Slightly whiter but still has some yellow. A very nice color compared to factory if I'm honest. Difference in vision? Noticeable but not big. They make everything a bit more discernable on the road. You can notice there difference compared to most other cars on the road. On a very dark road, it seems like they light up the sides a bit more. They don't make much difference in down the road length. Longevity? No idea. I'm hoping for at least a year. I'd recommend them.
In these particular instances, you actually get what you pay for! I'm running a set of gen 1 Philips XV bulbs in my projectors and they're worth every penny of the $180 I paid for them 😎
Buy them during a holiday, you save money that way. I bought these during the Black Friday deals, and saved cash. Now my 10 year Civic Si has better output than a BMW M3.
@@TommyBlazeHD amazon.de (as in Amazon, not a third party seller) is currently selling these 69 euros per 2-pack. So that's 35 euros per lamp which is not expensive anymore. Nice to see HID lamp prices come down a bit.
Ive seen most of your tests. I was in a dilema between Osram +200 xenon, and NHK 4+. By seing your amazing professional tests, i decided to go with NHK 4+
That high beam test was interesting. Phillips is brighter in high beam and Osram is brighter in low beam. What technology can you implement into the glass lightbulb that would make it brighter in low beam? Lol
I’m going to say they can’t. The arc is one tiny source that’s in the same spot on all of the bulbs. This must be a result of slight difference in bulb spacing due to microscopic differences in the plastic base of the bulb. If one sits in the projector even one thousandth of an inch more or less, the hotspot in the middle will slightly change, causing either more or less intensity on that part of the overall beam.
Some cars have seperate headlights for low beam and high beam. My car has projectors in low beam and reflectors in high beam, so i can use different bulbs in both lights😂
when my lights were getting dim I tested my factory HID at less than 1 centimeter from headlight housing at it was only 700-800 Lux, when I installed new cheap aftermarket bulbs it went up to about 1400.at point blank range. less than 1 cm.
Be careful what you wish for. If YOU perform a road test IN YOUR CAR WITH YOUR EYES, then yes. The road test is valid. But watching a RUclips video IS MISLEADING. You are not seeing the reflected light the way a human eye will see the reflected light. You see the light the way a camera sensor sees it using the spectral response of the camera's sensor, not the spectral response of the human eye. This is why side-by-side comparisons on ANY RUclips video are 100% misleading. I do not mean that the presenters are in any way trying to mislead. I'm saying they do not understand the difference between a camera sensor and the human eye. Yes, it's possible to adjust the "color temperature" of a camera sensor. I'm a photographer. I fully understand this. But you cannot adjust the entire spectral response. The only way for anybody to accurately compare two brands or two models of headlight bulb is to actually use the thing at night on the roads you drive. If you drive dirt roads, then the lower color temps ("warmer") closer to 4000 will perform the best. If you drive highways with bright lines painted, then 5000 will work better... perhaps even 6000. Aside: What happens with 6000 degree light is that is gets absorbed by the special white pigment used in the stripes and it gets re-emitted back towards your eyes at a somewhat warmer temperature. If visibility on dark roads is your objective, stay away from any color temp higher than 5500 to 6000 What's happening with the purple and blue lamps is that a greater and greater portion of the energy going into the bulb is going into producing ultraviolet light that won't help you see a deer running across the road unless that deer is wearing a white T-shirt.
Thanks! Been researching a few days on what bulbs to get. I like the osram color for sure. That's it! I'm sick of blue its horrible off the signs/ reflectors, and its straining on the eyes in rual areas and snow..
Reflecting headlamp beams off a white wall might help you determine the winner if you're driving in winter with snow doing the reflecting. But tests like these bear no relationship to how these bulbs will perform on dirt / unfinished rural roads when there's no snow. Remember, what your eyes perceive as "brightness" is NOT the intensity of the light coming out of the headlamp assembly. You are NOT standing in front of your car, gazing back at the grill when you drive. The light that helps you drive is the light that REFLECTS off the DARK surface of a dirt road, not a white wall. There's where these two bulbs will be very different because of their different color temperatures. Do NOT select a color temperature based upon how gorgeous it will look on your car. If you do, then you're a fool. Choose the color temperature based upon which color temp WORKS BEST on the roads you drive. If you drive in the city, where streetlamps help you every step of the way, then fine. Buy the baddest color temp that will get you laid the quickest. But if you drive roads that lack illumination, then buy a color temp that best reflects off the painted lines, or (if you drive rural roads) buy the color temperature that reflects best of unfinished road surfaces. That's where you need the most help.
@@TheCondoInRedondo thanks for the extemsive reply.. no way to know for sure without trying them i guess. I'm full rual and snow. I know the 6500k+ hyb dr2 sucks! I'm considering Phillips extreme vision v2 .. while osram looks nice.. color shift to pinker in the future may not be the look I'm going for either...
@@jeremyr7147 Look a couple of replies below to my reply to Irish Caesar regarding color temperature versus the rural roads. If you drive rural (dirt) and snow, and you want to stick with a single bulb all year, then favor the warmer temp because it will do better on the dirt road. Snow - being so reflective already - won't appear as bright of course. But you'll still see it. So I would err on the side of best vision on the dirt roads because if you choose a bulb best for snow, you'll really suffer on dirt roads.
Did you do the 20 hour burn in on both bulbs before testing? This will affect both output and color. Each manufacturer might do a burn-in test for different lengths of time at the factory before shipping. Both of these would explain why you have unexpected values part way through your test. IF you did, each manufacturer has slightly different bulb geometries (both internal and external) that can affect how the projector focuses the light.
Bulbs are removed from the box and tests are done. Take these tests with a grain of salt as they say. No two bulbs are going to perform the same - same goes with projectors and ballasts. Way too many variables.
Osrams showed more lux because their light more concentrated into one spot. In real road conditions Philips would be better because they habe bigger road coverage.
Again, I'm still amazed at these OEM+ D2S solutions that are continually being developed and offered. Any conservative ETA on when these might be first available for purchase? I can definitely see this flying off the shelves.
They are in stock now. Ready for sale this coming week. So new we just haven't heard back about some final details including a finalized MSRP. Thank you!
The market is saturated with D1/2/3 applications, so plenty of people will want to or need to change their OE parts until they get a vehicle with LEDs.
I just fitted the Osram Night Breaker Laser on my Mercedes C Class and for now they look shite …. Very yellow light and not noticeably much brighter than the old stock bulbs. However, I read that they would need a certain amount of hours to break-in properly and show their real potential. I genuinely hope so, because right now I just feel like my wallet is lighter by £160 and I’m really unhappy with the bulbs. After reading all the great reviews about Osram, it was a very cold shower for me.
@@rudy9895 I ended up going with the Osrams and only have like 10 hours on them in my Macan but they’re significantly brighter than the oem bulbs. Same color as oem too. I like them a lot but if you want more blue color then go with something else
@@taylor315 great to hear! I was stuck between osram NBL and philips xtremevision gen2.. i heard that the later has a more cool colour compared to osrams NBL, although the osrams should work better especially during rainy nights. So i'll go with that!
@@rudy9895 Yea I drive a lot at night so I’d rather have the extra brightness than the “cool look” factor 😅 good luck and enjoy, definitely worth the money
White/blue is a trend. Simply for people who are going to flex their lights outside the mall. For the real world, you need what will work best for terrible conditions which is when you definitely will want it the most and appreciate it the most as well. The same goes for fog lights, where most fog lights out there are just for show, just to flex outside the mall yet again where you will want yellow color. Bring it out to real world conditions on the road, and it's just rubbish. You need power and you need that adjusted correctly so you're not blinding oncoming traffic. You also need something that actually works with foggy/rainy conditions, and one important thing here is to make sure other people see *_you_* as early as possible, yet again without actually blinding any oncoming traffic. Just power adjusted correctly, as well as fog lights being more yellow than warm white main lights so they actually work as *_FOG_* lights...
Hi! Nice comparison, i have one question, if compare Osram xenarc ds1 Original 66140 and Philips Xenstart standard wich is more bright and more"cool-clear-white"? I know that one is 4150k and other 4300 ...but very similar color temperature...for you wich is better?
So then, sounds like the bulb stand offs on the NB laser keep the hotspot lower than the XV2. Why else would there be such a difference between the two when comparing low vs high in the same projector?
Definitely something we have considered but being an OEM bulb there is no way they would have a "crooked" capsule position and secondly you can see in the output video/photos - very consistent through the beam compared to the Philips. This output is proper - actually its fantastic... very full intensity area. You can angle the capsule down on any D2S bulb but usually the output will begin to flare down on the sides and you can tell its just not right. Not something we are seeing here. How do they do it? Not sure but they must be implementing some sort of new tech/design into these bulbs.
@@LightwerkzGlobal That is interesting. I noticed on the bulb shots it looked like the capsule was filled with salts. Is that the case or did I see it wrong? Wondering if a higher concentration of salts would be responsible for the increased output
Joe Schlotthauer why? You don’t appreciate seeing deer at night before they hit your hotrods? I had a Lucas high output kit in my 75 Stingray and I thought they were great. I switched all my lights over to HID’s on my 2007 C6 and I will tell you this..... there is absolutely no comparison. Somebody will make an aftermarket headlight for your rides that is made to accept a halogen bulb vs the sealed units. Get those housings and then do a retro-fit projector/HID and you’ll be glad you did!
@@beri232 Having trouble finding headlights for my 79 Ford F-100. There seems to be some confusion with manufactures of when the square headlight began. It began in 1978, anything above a Custom had square headlights, but everyone thinks it's 1980...
@@joeschlotthauer840 Maybe if you have a square to round adapter then you can place one of the round license forms another car that is designed to use HID into your car and that should work.
@@Eric2300jeep Thank You, My point exactly... But a lot of old cars like mine still out there, but like with my 47 Buick, the headlights look like candles compared to other cars...
It is caused by an optical phenomenon called Chromatic Aberration en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatic_aberration Basically, lenses tend to focus different wavelengths (colors of light) differently. Recall how a prism produces rainbow from white light, this is caused by the same principle.
I've been using Osram nightbreaker laser for some time now and I'm very disapointed by them. They burned out in few months and the visibility is terrible, can barely see anything at night and in rain. Don't recommend them. I'm going to try the Philips extreme vision and I'll see how they work.
Xenon bulbs wear out over time. After a few years of use, could be -50% intensity. When its time to replace you can get the best option using these premium bulbs.
Hi all, very interesting review! I also saw the review between the extreme vision gen2 and the cool blue by osram, why in that review the extreme vision has had a higher rank in low and high beam than the rank of this review? One bulb of my golf mk7 is died and I'm getting crazy trying to understand which is the best bulb on the market right now ( laser, extreme vision?) in order to change both of the bulbs ;)I really appreciate an answer from you to help me in the decision:) thank you:)
The choice is pretty simple. You want to have maximum light with OEM light colour (same as from factory) get Osram Laser. You want maximum light with a little more "whiter" light coulour, get Phillips Xtremviesion gen2. You want white-blue light but you accept you will not get max light ? Get Osram Cool Blue Intense (runner up is Phiilips WhoteVision) You want maximum white-blue light, dont be afraid to be non-homologized, but accept to loose a little light power comparing to maximum, get Osram Cool Blue Boost. You want some crazy light colour like 8000k, shitty light power output and cuttof line, lifetime only a few hundred hours and a possibility of exploding bulb inside your headlight, get some cheap chinese noname HID.
Hey thank you for the video! How is it that the nightbreaker is brighter when Philips has is rated at 4800? Thank you for your time! (I'm looking for the BesT bulbs for my BMw 2004 645ci please help=)
Quick question if anyone can answer, how did he get the blue line in the middle? Is it because of the bulb or because of the projector that is being used here?
how does the night breaker laser compare to the original night breaker im running the nughtbreaker in my 2006 mitsubishi lancer evolution MR which has factory HIDs. The numbers ive seen are crazy.
@@LightwerkzGlobal well i know they were way brighter than the stock oem bulbs. I'm just debating getting something new...i am liking the 5500 k im running in my 4runner
Is it true that when your bulb fails you need to change both ballast and bulb? My local retrofitting shop who retrofit my fog lights told me this, and I'm kinda skeptical and find it a bit weird?
False information. In some cases on OLD original OEM ballasts, they dont always play nice with new bulbs. But on most setups, one does not affect the other.
The price negates any benefits you may receive from either bulb pairs. Plenty of reputable brands put there for a fraction of the cost and very similar performance.
We've done plenty of testing. These will be about 25-30% brighter than the best aftermarket bulbs out there. Keep in mind there are other benefits to purchasing OEM bulbs such as consistency with color and output, less UV, and they will continue staying brighter for longer. You get your moneys worth in the long run. There are plenty of customers who want to "do it once, do it right"
@@LightwerkzGlobal not sure if you're being paid to say that or not but brighter is Definitely going to be subjective here. I have G5-R projector housings in my truck with 55w ballasts and Morimoto XB HID's in them. Everything together cost me $250 to do myself and I outshine 95% of the vehicles on the road with my headlights alone. Couple that with my rigid fog light cubes and there's no vehicle I've found stock that's brighter than my truck. And I've had my setup for 2 years now, the only problem I had was the main morimoto relay burning up cause I installed it incorrectly. So again it's subjective on what your budget is. $150 for hid bulbs is absolutely insane.
I wish I was getting paid for our testing =) I'm a numbers guy, simply going by what our tests show. High end Osram and Philips pubs ARE brighter - there is no denying it. The proof is all there as we have done a lot of different tests. Once you put in a 50W ballasts you are gaining about 40% increased intensity over there 35W. I understand what you are trying to say - you would rather go with a higher wattage ballast it seems. but we dont recommend it unless you understand the risks of using it. Would you notice a difference in brightness with one of these bulbs when both are brand new, on a 50W system? Probably not. But the Lux meter would show its still brighter. Now if you have had your setup for 2 years now, assuming you use the lights/car regularly, its time to change out those bulbs. 50W ballasts increase the wear on your bulbs and projectors big time. I suppose in your case its time to get a new set of XB bulbs =)
@@bdragonseven 55 watt ballasts are kind of a scam in the long run you'll be better off with 30 at least that used to be the case someone correct me if I'm wrong
@@Reedith They are not scam, they definitely do what they claim to do. Just everyone have to understand that everything is a trade-off with something else. 50-55 watt ballasts WILL made you replace bulbs more often and color temperature is slightly changed. But if you are OK with that, they will give you noticeably more light.
Judging by the amount of chromatic dispersion at the edge of the curtain (all this blue tint), it's no brand but a replica. Brands like Koito, Hella, Bosch actually machine the edge of the curtain so that the edge between light and darkness is not so harsh (which also removes the coloration).
Hey what is your email?I'm looking for bright low beam lights and some even brighter high beam lights for my Mitsubishi Lancer. I have alot of people recommending lights from Opt7 but I just came across these lights that I've never heard off before and they look good. Any recommendation on which should I try out?I want some really bright ones.
I have a datasheet from Osram stating the D1S versions are 4600kelvin.. Could the socket type change color that much? Any chance you're going to test D1S versions? I want maximum performance, but also like them to match the led DRLs
@@LightwerkzGlobal Thanks! Id love to get the CBBs but living in Norway with rain and snow I guess I have to go with some warmer light. Seems like the Xtreme visions gen2 is a fine middle ground.
I have the Osram Nightbreaker D2S in my car now which is a MazdaSpeed3 which as Bi-Xenon. I want an upgrade, should I go for the Laser or Philips?. I want best performance, I live in Wales - UK, so mostly rainy weather lol
@@LightwerkzGlobal I live in California, so mostly dry weather with the some rain in the winter. I want the best light output but also wouldnt mind a balance with looks so I'm kind of torn between the two. The Philips bulb would have the better looks with the cooler color temp but the laser with have higher output with a warmer temp color. Do I want to sacrifice output for color temp? Either way it's better than stock. If I lived in bad weather areas the laser is a no brainer, but out here the Philips would be great as well. Any comparisons done between these two and the CBB?
@@LightwerkzGlobal awesome, thanks for the reply. I think I'm going to go for the Philips. A good balance between excellent light output and color that is still good in poor weather. I think the laser will be too warm for my taste. And for the CBB, it's a sexy look but I have read reviews that the bluer color temp gets eaten up by the wet roads making for poorer visibility. My friend has some crappy 8k Amazon bulbs that he likes with poor light output, so for his taste, l'll definitely be turning him onto the CBB's.
@@LightwerkzGlobal Can you do a video of the Night breaker laser vs Philips X-treme Vision gen2 vs Osram CBB? They are the 3 brightest bulbs right now and no one has done one with all 3 together yet. And if you can talk about the pros and cons of each with their color range, what all three look like on the wall compared to each other, a lumen test, and if you had to choose one of the three, which would it be and why? That would be awesome thanks!!!
@@sialdouk I thought I had replied to something else the first time. I went for Hikari Ultra and they are much brighter than stock, but results may vary due to the different projector designs out there. They outperform any Osram and Philips out there and at 90$ they're priced ok. The only tjing I'd change would be the color...they're rated at 6500k, so a little 'too white' for my taste (hence looking at 5000k bulbs now). But if this is not a concern, they perform great.
No. The bulb is a D2S, verses your standard H4. You would need a ballast and a projector and wiring kit. Lightwerks and TRS both sell Motorcycle Retrofit kits. Otherwise, I'd look into the LED market for a direct plug and play setup. Both LW and TRS should both have something in LED for H4 bulbs. Just don't expect a huge light difference with the LEDs. HIDs are still better.
@@juliocsilvaj9260 That's a terrible idea. H4 bulbs are dual filament. You would lose either Hi beam or Lo beam, depending on where the "adapter" you speak of places the D2S. Not to mention that the D2S would still produce a lot of glare, even after being centered in the housing for the Lo beam. And using it in the Hi beam would be super impractical also.
I recently bought a pair of osram cbi which I thought that would be bluer but tested with morimoto's xb35 5500k bulbs and I would say that I rather have morimoto's if you have email I can send you pictures of how they look like (morimoto xb55 ballasts, morimoto relay harness, morimoto mini d2s projector 5.0)
serena ! You are right. Just change the 6 to a 4 and you get the idea. Osram does not officially name a Kelvin amount and realistically the old nightbreaker unlimited are def below 4300k, which makes them yellowish, my guess 4000k at most, while the new unlimited laser is a true white around 4400-4500k. It is not blue at all.
@@followpsorry but 4350 has a yellow tint.... 4800-5000k is a pure white. i think that the best bulb is x-treme vision +150%, has a white tint and much contrast con the road.
How would the Osram CBI compare to these two? i currently have them on my '09 Acura TL. Overall they're pretty decently bright but i want something a little brighter with a lower kelvin.
IMHO Philips is better for bixenon lamps - gives better highbeam light. Ofcourse without extras halogen highbeam lamps. Osram is better for standard xenon lamps with 2 lowbeam xenon and 2 highbeam halogen - gives more light on low beam and if highbeam is from halogen bulb they are better together works - no big differents between temperatures xenon lowbeam and halogen highbeam. And maximum light Output from works together xenon and halogen.
These are homologated (ECE approval to use on public roads) xenon hid bulbs, which will be most likely put inside xenon headlight due to base type. I don't know what are you complaining about. People are putting HID retrofits or cheap chinese LEDs inside simple reflective halogen headlights, buying cheap chinese headlights with poor projectors etc, and off all this you choose to complain against ECE certified bulbs made for OEM xenon projectors ??
Do your homework knucklehead.... these bulbs are being used in the correct projectors. The only way people get blinded is when stupid kids throw HID’s into old reflector style housings. Those guys should be fined to the max or have their cars impounded until the lights are removed.
I think they are BOTH superb bulbs that are simply FAR, FAR, better then any OEM stock HID your vehicle comes with. In the end, it's really a matter of color choice and what kind of climate your driving in year round. For me living in New England, MA too be exact. The Philips was a no brainer.
I have the Philips xv2 4800k rebased to a H11B paired with Hylux 45w ballast. Assuming the bulbs themselves are legit genuine “philips” capsules, they are pretty bright and have a good throw- distance wise and pretty wide beam. This is on a 2014 Honda Accord. Clean OEM look.
How did you get the rebased bulbs? Can you tell more information please?
I installed the OSRAM Nightbreaker Lasers on my car. It has Projector Headlights from the factory. I tested the Lux with my phone (not an accurate test) but I made sure my readings were consistent and I told NO DIFFERENCE in illuminance between Factory and Osram's (330 for all bulbs except for one and I account age for the difference in the one). Color. Slightly whiter but still has some yellow. A very nice color compared to factory if I'm honest. Difference in vision? Noticeable but not big. They make everything a bit more discernable on the road. You can notice there difference compared to most other cars on the road. On a very dark road, it seems like they light up the sides a bit more. They don't make much difference in down the road length. Longevity? No idea. I'm hoping for at least a year. I'd recommend them.
How old is your car and lights? Or atleast do you know if the bulbs have ever been replaced before?
@@henningfilms Light bulbs were the originals from the factory at 7 years old.
How do you know they’re authentic? 95% of Osrams skin USA are fake.
Both brands are utterly superb by my god they are SO expensive!!
Bought mine over Amazon, a good deal earlier into Christmas.
In these particular instances, you actually get what you pay for! I'm running a set of gen 1 Philips XV bulbs in my projectors and they're worth every penny of the $180 I paid for them 😎
@@QiuyuanChenRyan916 Be careful with some Amazon orders. Sometimes the Phillips or Osram bulbs aren't real.
Buy them during a holiday, you save money that way. I bought these during the Black Friday deals, and saved cash. Now my 10 year Civic Si has better output than a BMW M3.
@@TommyBlazeHD amazon.de (as in Amazon, not a third party seller) is currently selling these 69 euros per 2-pack. So that's 35 euros per lamp which is not expensive anymore. Nice to see HID lamp prices come down a bit.
Ive seen most of your tests. I was in a dilema between Osram +200 xenon, and NHK 4+. By seing your amazing professional tests, i decided to go with NHK 4+
Thanks for video. Could you do Osram NightBreaker Unlimited (%70) & OsramNight Breaker Laser (%200) ? We may see different all.
That high beam test was interesting. Phillips is brighter in high beam and Osram is brighter in low beam. What technology can you implement into the glass lightbulb that would make it brighter in low beam? Lol
I’m going to say they can’t. The arc is one tiny source that’s in the same spot on all of the bulbs. This must be a result of slight difference in bulb spacing due to microscopic differences in the plastic base of the bulb. If one sits in the projector even one thousandth of an inch more or less, the hotspot in the middle will slightly change, causing either more or less intensity on that part of the overall beam.
Some cars have seperate headlights for low beam and high beam. My car has projectors in low beam and reflectors in high beam, so i can use different bulbs in both lights😂
To be honest I think this should be tested with multiple pairs of these bulbs, individual differences might be taking place here.
when my lights were getting dim I tested my factory HID at less than 1 centimeter from headlight housing at it was only 700-800 Lux, when I installed new cheap aftermarket bulbs it went up to about 1400.at point blank range. less than 1 cm.
So the Xtremes are brighter as a high beam vs the Lasers
Just picked some lasers up today, I’ll be installing them tomorrow. I’m really excited! Glad I watched your video.
are they good ? worth to buy ?
what they like worth getting was it the Philips extreme gen 2
How are the osram lasers?
Can't wait to see some actual road test!
Be careful what you wish for. If YOU perform a road test IN YOUR CAR WITH YOUR EYES, then yes. The road test is valid.
But watching a RUclips video IS MISLEADING. You are not seeing the reflected light the way a human eye will see the reflected light. You see the light the way a camera sensor sees it using the spectral response of the camera's sensor, not the spectral response of the human eye.
This is why side-by-side comparisons on ANY RUclips video are 100% misleading. I do not mean that the presenters are in any way trying to mislead. I'm saying they do not understand the difference between a camera sensor and the human eye. Yes, it's possible to adjust the "color temperature" of a camera sensor. I'm a photographer. I fully understand this. But you cannot adjust the entire spectral response.
The only way for anybody to accurately compare two brands or two models of headlight bulb is to actually use the thing at night on the roads you drive.
If you drive dirt roads, then the lower color temps ("warmer") closer to 4000 will perform the best. If you drive highways with bright lines painted, then 5000 will work better... perhaps even 6000. Aside: What happens with 6000 degree light is that is gets absorbed by the special white pigment used in the stripes and it gets re-emitted back towards your eyes at a somewhat warmer temperature.
If visibility on dark roads is your objective, stay away from any color temp higher than 5500 to 6000 What's happening with the purple and blue lamps is that a greater and greater portion of the energy going into the bulb is going into producing ultraviolet light that won't help you see a deer running across the road unless that deer is wearing a white T-shirt.
@@TheCondoInRedondo I love you
Thanks! Been researching a few days on what bulbs to get. I like the osram color for sure. That's it! I'm sick of blue its horrible off the signs/ reflectors, and its straining on the eyes in rual areas and snow..
Reflecting headlamp beams off a white wall might help you determine the winner if you're driving in winter with snow doing the reflecting. But tests like these bear no relationship to how these bulbs will perform on dirt / unfinished rural roads when there's no snow. Remember, what your eyes perceive as "brightness" is NOT the intensity of the light coming out of the headlamp assembly. You are NOT standing in front of your car, gazing back at the grill when you drive. The light that helps you drive is the light that REFLECTS off the DARK surface of a dirt road, not a white wall. There's where these two bulbs will be very different because of their different color temperatures.
Do NOT select a color temperature based upon how gorgeous it will look on your car. If you do, then you're a fool. Choose the color temperature based upon which color temp WORKS BEST on the roads you drive. If you drive in the city, where streetlamps help you every step of the way, then fine. Buy the baddest color temp that will get you laid the quickest. But if you drive roads that lack illumination, then buy a color temp that best reflects off the painted lines, or (if you drive rural roads) buy the color temperature that reflects best of unfinished road surfaces. That's where you need the most help.
@@TheCondoInRedondo thanks for the extemsive reply.. no way to know for sure without trying them i guess. I'm full rual and snow. I know the 6500k+ hyb dr2 sucks! I'm considering Phillips extreme vision v2
.. while osram looks nice.. color shift to pinker in the future may not be the look I'm going for either...
@@jeremyr7147 Look a couple of replies below to my reply to Irish Caesar regarding color temperature versus the rural roads. If you drive rural (dirt) and snow, and you want to stick with a single bulb all year, then favor the warmer temp because it will do better on the dirt road. Snow - being so reflective already - won't appear as bright of course. But you'll still see it. So I would err on the side of best vision on the dirt roads because if you choose a bulb best for snow, you'll really suffer on dirt roads.
Did you do the 20 hour burn in on both bulbs before testing? This will affect both output and color. Each manufacturer might do a burn-in test for different lengths of time at the factory before shipping. Both of these would explain why you have unexpected values part way through your test. IF you did, each manufacturer has slightly different bulb geometries (both internal and external) that can affect how the projector focuses the light.
Bulbs are removed from the box and tests are done. Take these tests with a grain of salt as they say. No two bulbs are going to perform the same - same goes with projectors and ballasts. Way too many variables.
Osrams showed more lux because their light more concentrated into one spot. In real road conditions Philips would be better because they habe bigger road coverage.
Again, I'm still amazed at these OEM+ D2S solutions that are continually being developed and offered. Any conservative ETA on when these might be first available for purchase? I can definitely see this flying off the shelves.
They are in stock now. Ready for sale this coming week. So new we just haven't heard back about some final details including a finalized MSRP. Thank you!
The market is saturated with D1/2/3 applications, so plenty of people will want to or need to change their OE parts until they get a vehicle with LEDs.
Side by side comparison between NB Laser, XV2 and CBIs, please!
i agree!
The CBB's are brighter than the CBI's, so I'd say compare these two with the CBB's.
Thanks you for the effort!
I just fitted the Osram Night Breaker Laser on my Mercedes C Class and for now they look shite …. Very yellow light and not noticeably much brighter than the old stock bulbs. However, I read that they would need a certain amount of hours to break-in properly and show their real potential. I genuinely hope so, because right now I just feel like my wallet is lighter by £160 and I’m really unhappy with the bulbs. After reading all the great reviews about Osram, it was a very cold shower for me.
Yea I hear up to 100 hours until they reach full brightness. How are they now?
How are they now?
@@rudy9895 I ended up going with the Osrams and only have like 10 hours on them in my Macan but they’re significantly brighter than the oem bulbs. Same color as oem too. I like them a lot but if you want more blue color then go with something else
@@taylor315 great to hear! I was stuck between osram NBL and philips xtremevision gen2.. i heard that the later has a more cool colour compared to osrams NBL, although the osrams should work better especially during rainy nights. So i'll go with that!
@@rudy9895 Yea I drive a lot at night so I’d rather have the extra brightness than the “cool look” factor 😅 good luck and enjoy, definitely worth the money
Will the Philips XV2 “break-in” an eventually get much “whiter”?
Which is better in your opinions?
Lloyd Yu seems like the lasers are better.
Please Compare the Night Breaker Laser with the Night Breaker Unlimited. that will help. thanks
And what about the philips color match?...I got a doubt between, Extrem Vision GEn 2, color match and the OSram!!!
White/blue is a trend. Simply for people who are going to flex their lights outside the mall.
For the real world, you need what will work best for terrible conditions which is when you definitely will want it the most and appreciate it the most as well. The same goes for fog lights, where most fog lights out there are just for show, just to flex outside the mall yet again where you will want yellow color. Bring it out to real world conditions on the road, and it's just rubbish.
You need power and you need that adjusted correctly so you're not blinding oncoming traffic. You also need something that actually works with foggy/rainy conditions, and one important thing here is to make sure other people see *_you_* as early as possible, yet again without actually blinding any oncoming traffic. Just power adjusted correctly, as well as fog lights being more yellow than warm white main lights so they actually work as *_FOG_* lights...
5000-5500k is the way too go. These 2 are the best and it's expensive for that reason. The Osram seems to perform better than the counterpart.
What is your opinion on GE brand HIDs?
Hi! Nice comparison, i have one question, if compare Osram xenarc ds1 Original 66140 and Philips Xenstart standard wich is more bright and more"cool-clear-white"? I know that one is 4150k and other 4300 ...but very similar color temperature...for you wich is better?
I’m waiting for my Philips to arrive. I truly hope it’s as good as I’m told.
How was it?
Haven’t installed yet
Have you installed now?
Yes installed!!!! Easy as pie and they are definitely better than stock!!!
@@markbulva4188 have you tried in rain? What car did you installed them?
So then, sounds like the bulb stand offs on the NB laser keep the hotspot lower than the XV2. Why else would there be such a difference between the two when comparing low vs high in the same projector?
Definitely something we have considered but being an OEM bulb there is no way they would have a "crooked" capsule position and secondly you can see in the output video/photos - very consistent through the beam compared to the Philips. This output is proper - actually its fantastic... very full intensity area. You can angle the capsule down on any D2S bulb but usually the output will begin to flare down on the sides and you can tell its just not right. Not something we are seeing here. How do they do it? Not sure but they must be implementing some sort of new tech/design into these bulbs.
@@LightwerkzGlobal That is interesting. I noticed on the bulb shots it looked like the capsule was filled with salts. Is that the case or did I see it wrong? Wondering if a higher concentration of salts would be responsible for the increased output
Wich retrofit you guys are using in this video? Wich aftermarket retrofit could you recommend for a 2015 Nissan Altima?
Can we use this as a replacement for hid xenon bulb project?
Which bulb is brighter for Lexus es 350 2008 model?
Hola, esas luces se adaptan a un Ioniq 2018?? Saludos
I was surprised that the light at the laser osram is weaker than at Phillips
How do you get that blue/purple cut line ? Is it possible to make that on my cars Original hid lights ?
Lightwerkz...for low beam... Which is the best D2S bulb you recommend?
Is there any difference between the Lasers with a truck icon and the ones with a sedan icon?
12v and 24v i think
I don't see these going in my 1947 Buick, 1979 Ford F-100, 1968 Buick Skylark, or 1996 Impala SS...
Joe Schlotthauer why? You don’t appreciate seeing deer at night before they hit your hotrods? I had a Lucas high output kit in my 75 Stingray and I thought they were great. I switched all my lights over to HID’s on my 2007 C6 and I will tell you this..... there is absolutely no comparison. Somebody will make an aftermarket headlight for your rides that is made to accept a halogen bulb vs the sealed units. Get those housings and then do a retro-fit projector/HID and you’ll be glad you did!
@@beri232
Having trouble finding headlights for my 79 Ford F-100. There seems to be some confusion with manufactures of when the square headlight began. It began in 1978, anything above a Custom had square headlights, but everyone thinks it's 1980...
@@joeschlotthauer840 Maybe if you have a square to round adapter then you can place one of the round license forms another car that is designed to use HID into your car and that should work.
You'll have to retro-fit a set of projectors into that vehicles headlight housings if you want to use these bulbs. Completely custom work
@@Eric2300jeep
Thank You,
My point exactly...
But a lot of old cars like mine still out there, but like with my 47 Buick, the headlights look like candles compared to other cars...
nice work
That blue line on low beam,is given by the projectors or by the bulbs?
valyvly bit of both there is a reason why it happens scientifically but its a bit like why you see a rainbow when light and water (lens) converge
It is caused by an optical phenomenon called Chromatic Aberration
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatic_aberration
Basically, lenses tend to focus different wavelengths (colors of light) differently.
Recall how a prism produces rainbow from white light, this is caused by the same principle.
I've been using Osram nightbreaker laser for some time now and I'm very disapointed by them. They burned out in few months and the visibility is terrible, can barely see anything at night and in rain. Don't recommend them. I'm going to try the Philips extreme vision and I'll see how they work.
So? Did they work?
So, have you tried the Philips? It's been 2 years since you left the comment
soo any luck?
Any udate?
any idea what the Lux rating is though the 5.0 projector?
standard xenon is already bright af i dont see any need for even brighter xenon bulbs
Xenon bulbs wear out over time. After a few years of use, could be -50% intensity. When its time to replace you can get the best option using these premium bulbs.
Hi all, very interesting review! I also saw the review between the extreme vision gen2 and the cool blue by osram, why in that review the extreme vision has had a higher rank in low and high beam than the rank of this review? One bulb of my golf mk7 is died and I'm getting crazy trying to understand which is the best bulb on the market right now ( laser, extreme vision?) in order to change both of the bulbs ;)I really appreciate an answer from you to help me in the decision:) thank you:)
The choice is pretty simple.
You want to have maximum light with OEM light colour (same as from factory) get Osram Laser.
You want maximum light with a little more "whiter" light coulour, get Phillips Xtremviesion gen2.
You want white-blue light but you accept you will not get max light ? Get Osram Cool Blue Intense (runner up is Phiilips WhoteVision)
You want maximum white-blue light, dont be afraid to be non-homologized, but accept to loose a little light power comparing to maximum, get Osram Cool Blue Boost.
You want some crazy light colour like 8000k, shitty light power output and cuttof line, lifetime only a few hundred hours and a possibility of exploding bulb inside your headlight, get some cheap chinese noname HID.
Nice
Where do you buy those I want for my Audi s4
www.lightwerkz.net/index.php/components/hid-bulbs/d-series.html
Is the Philips XVS gen2 bulb more yellowish than Osram Cool Blue Intense bulb? But 4800 Kelvin both of them
Yeap
ari eta nganggo projie naon kang?,😁
how often should we change them my osrams are 4 years old now
If you want to "keep up" with the performance. every 3-5 years. I would say you are at that point right now, you will see a nice boost in output.
What it going on with that brightness instability? Is that something that digital ballasts have less of?
It's because someone is holding it vs if they had a jig setup to hold it for them. I wish they didn't hold it because it gives those variations.
Hey thank you for the video! How is it that the nightbreaker is brighter when Philips has is rated at 4800? Thank you for your time! (I'm looking for the BesT bulbs for my BMw 2004 645ci please help=)
Both of these are great options. NIghtbreaker rated at 4300K and extreme vision at 4800K.
Which would be brighter in a 2014 acura tl been stuck on which one of those two to buy
Most customers end up with Osram's between those two. We have both in stock
Hi, i would like to know what gives the blue cut out line or in some cars a sort pf chameleon color cut out line
The clear lens
Quick question if anyone can answer, how did he get the blue line in the middle? Is it because of the bulb or because of the projector that is being used here?
Projector with a clear lens and thin shield will give you that colorful cutoff
@@LightwerkzGlobal I appreciate the quick response, is there any way to buy them?
how does the night breaker laser compare to the original night breaker im running the nughtbreaker in my 2006 mitsubishi lancer evolution MR which has factory HIDs. The numbers ive seen are crazy.
original night breakers were a flop, nothing too special so these are much brighter.
@@LightwerkzGlobal well i know they were way brighter than the stock oem bulbs. I'm just debating getting something new...i am liking the 5500 k im running in my 4runner
Price
Philips are much brighter and better bulbs,especialy for Mercedes cars!.
I bought osram CCi 6200k
Look warm white not that white
Do osram hid bulbs brake in?
Yes, it takes time to break in but the CBI or CBN will never be cool white like the Osram CBB.
@@LightwerkzGlobal I used to use NHK 5500k looks really Nice color
Do you know the lumens for that bulb?
@@israel6642 Always stick with Osram or Philips bulbs if you can, perfromance is much better. Color is truer. Longevity is superior.
@@LightwerkzGlobal I love your projectors i bought from lightwerks
The nhk g5r-brt they are reliable and perform well So Far
Is it true that when your bulb fails you need to change both ballast and bulb? My local retrofitting shop who retrofit my fog lights told me this, and I'm kinda skeptical and find it a bit weird?
False information. In some cases on OLD original OEM ballasts, they dont always play nice with new bulbs. But on most setups, one does not affect the other.
Lightwerkz Global i knew it! Something doesn’t make sense when they explained why. Thank you!
The price negates any benefits you may receive from either bulb pairs. Plenty of reputable brands put there for a fraction of the cost and very similar performance.
We've done plenty of testing. These will be about 25-30% brighter than the best aftermarket bulbs out there. Keep in mind there are other benefits to purchasing OEM bulbs such as consistency with color and output, less UV, and they will continue staying brighter for longer. You get your moneys worth in the long run. There are plenty of customers who want to "do it once, do it right"
@@LightwerkzGlobal not sure if you're being paid to say that or not but brighter is Definitely going to be subjective here. I have G5-R projector housings in my truck with 55w ballasts and Morimoto XB HID's in them. Everything together cost me $250 to do myself and I outshine 95% of the vehicles on the road with my headlights alone. Couple that with my rigid fog light cubes and there's no vehicle I've found stock that's brighter than my truck. And I've had my setup for 2 years now, the only problem I had was the main morimoto relay burning up cause I installed it incorrectly. So again it's subjective on what your budget is. $150 for hid bulbs is absolutely insane.
I wish I was getting paid for our testing =) I'm a numbers guy, simply going by what our tests show. High end Osram and Philips pubs ARE brighter - there is no denying it. The proof is all there as we have done a lot of different tests. Once you put in a 50W ballasts you are gaining about 40% increased intensity over there 35W. I understand what you are trying to say - you would rather go with a higher wattage ballast it seems. but we dont recommend it unless you understand the risks of using it. Would you notice a difference in brightness with one of these bulbs when both are brand new, on a 50W system? Probably not. But the Lux meter would show its still brighter. Now if you have had your setup for 2 years now, assuming you use the lights/car regularly, its time to change out those bulbs. 50W ballasts increase the wear on your bulbs and projectors big time. I suppose in your case its time to get a new set of XB bulbs =)
@@bdragonseven 55 watt ballasts are kind of a scam in the long run you'll be better off with 30 at least that used to be the case someone correct me if I'm wrong
@@Reedith They are not scam, they definitely do what they claim to do. Just everyone have to understand that everything is a trade-off with something else. 50-55 watt ballasts WILL made you replace bulbs more often and color temperature is slightly changed. But if you are OK with that, they will give you noticeably more light.
Hai dear..What projector are you using?
NHK G5-R
What brand are those projectors?
Judging by the amount of chromatic dispersion at the edge of the curtain (all this blue tint), it's no brand but a replica. Brands like Koito, Hella, Bosch actually machine the edge of the curtain so that the edge between light and darkness is not so harsh (which also removes the coloration).
@@VioletGiraffe Thank you for the answer, I was also wondering about that, now I know thanks to you 😁
Hey what is your email?I'm looking for bright low beam lights and some even brighter high beam lights for my Mitsubishi Lancer. I have alot of people recommending lights from Opt7 but I just came across these lights that I've never heard off before and they look good. Any recommendation on which should I try out?I want some really bright ones.
I have a datasheet from Osram stating the D1S versions are 4600kelvin.. Could the socket type change color that much? Any chance you're going to test D1S versions? I want maximum performance, but also like them to match the led DRLs
NO the color kelvin will be same through the bulb types. Even if it is 4600K, wont come close to match OEM LED DRL. Those are usually 5700K+
@@LightwerkzGlobal Thanks! Id love to get the CBBs but living in Norway with rain and snow I guess I have to go with some warmer light. Seems like the Xtreme visions gen2 is a fine middle ground.
is this lawrence from funhaus? identical voice lol
No
Brand of the Projectors?
NHK G5-R
I have the Osram Nightbreaker D2S in my car now which is a MazdaSpeed3 which as Bi-Xenon. I want an upgrade, should I go for the Laser or Philips?. I want best performance, I live in Wales - UK, so mostly rainy weather lol
Laser will be highest rated. We should have these on our site available for sale today or tomorrow!
@@LightwerkzGlobal I live in California, so mostly dry weather with the some rain in the winter. I want the best light output but also wouldnt mind a balance with looks so I'm kind of torn between the two. The Philips bulb would have the better looks with the cooler color temp but the laser with have higher output with a warmer temp color. Do I want to sacrifice output for color temp? Either way it's better than stock. If I lived in bad weather areas the laser is a no brainer, but out here the Philips would be great as well. Any comparisons done between these two and the CBB?
Balance = extreme vision gen2. Its an amazing bulb. CBB is not ideal due to the higher color temps. although its the best 6000K bulb.
@@LightwerkzGlobal awesome, thanks for the reply. I think I'm going to go for the Philips. A good balance between excellent light output and color that is still good in poor weather. I think the laser will be too warm for my taste. And for the CBB, it's a sexy look but I have read reviews that the bluer color temp gets eaten up by the wet roads making for poorer visibility. My friend has some crappy 8k Amazon bulbs that he likes with poor light output, so for his taste, l'll definitely be turning him onto the CBB's.
@@LightwerkzGlobal Can you do a video of the Night breaker laser vs Philips X-treme Vision gen2 vs Osram CBB? They are the 3 brightest bulbs right now and no one has done one with all 3 together yet. And if you can talk about the pros and cons of each with their color range, what all three look like on the wall compared to each other, a lumen test, and if you had to choose one of the three, which would it be and why? That would be awesome thanks!!!
Bhai is ki kya price he
Which best bulb Phillips xtream vision or osram night breaker laser?
I bought the Night Breaker Laser and they are rubbish. I should have spent my $185 on something else. They are no brighter than stock. BMW X5M. D1S.
Your stock on X5M are most likely Philips Extremes, so it makes sense.
I want new bulbs as I find the OEM bulbs in my X5 F15 are poor. Now this has just confused me even more, which ones to get! 😆
@@sialdouk I thought I had replied to something else the first time. I went for Hikari Ultra and they are much brighter than stock, but results may vary due to the different projector designs out there. They outperform any Osram and Philips out there and at 90$ they're priced ok. The only tjing I'd change would be the color...they're rated at 6500k, so a little 'too white' for my taste (hence looking at 5000k bulbs now). But if this is not a concern, they perform great.
Not rated, they're actually measured and output 6500k light.
Horia M thank you, I’ll take a look at those too
What's the price on the new bulbs if they aren't on your webpage?
We will have more details this week!
I have a Bajaj Pulsar NS200. The headlight is H4 standard (no lens)... Can I install one of these?
No. The bulb is a D2S, verses your standard H4. You would need a ballast and a projector and wiring kit. Lightwerks and TRS both sell Motorcycle Retrofit kits. Otherwise, I'd look into the LED market for a direct plug and play setup. Both LW and TRS should both have something in LED for H4 bulbs. Just don't expect a huge light difference with the LEDs. HIDs are still better.
Yes you can. Just need to do an adaptor to the d2s to h4. I did it with and old bulb
@@juliocsilvaj9260 That's a terrible idea. H4 bulbs are dual filament. You would lose either Hi beam or Lo beam, depending on where the "adapter" you speak of places the D2S. Not to mention that the D2S would still produce a lot of glare, even after being centered in the housing for the Lo beam. And using it in the Hi beam would be super impractical also.
@@hraharahrajajjaja i did it and no one flogged me
How do they compare to the morimoto?
Morimoto are on par with Osram. Read their pdf
I recently bought a pair of osram cbi which I thought that would be bluer but tested with morimoto's xb35 5500k bulbs and I would say that I rather have morimoto's if you have email I can send you pictures of how they look like (morimoto xb55 ballasts, morimoto relay harness, morimoto mini d2s projector 5.0)
how many kelvin has this new osram? is whiter than nightbreaker unlimited or not? the last was yellow too....
serena ! The new nightbreaker laser (realistically at around 6500k) is much whiter than the old nightbreaker unlimited (around 6000k I’d say).
@@followp are you drunk??? xenarc nightbreaker are 4350k.... yellow..... you said 6000?! osram cbb are so!! osram laser will be 4300k.
serena ! You are right. Just change the 6 to a 4 and you get the idea. Osram does not officially name a Kelvin amount and realistically the old nightbreaker unlimited are def below 4300k, which makes them yellowish, my guess 4000k at most, while the new unlimited laser is a true white around 4400-4500k. It is not blue at all.
serena ! Exactly as you said, a true 4350k is daylight bright (white) and not yellow! So the old NBUs are def far below that.
@@followpsorry but 4350 has a yellow tint.... 4800-5000k is a pure white. i think that the best bulb is x-treme vision +150%, has a white tint and much contrast con the road.
WHERE IS pHILIPS? U CAN WRITE THIS
How would the Osram CBI compare to these two? i currently have them on my '09 Acura TL. Overall they're pretty decently bright but i want something a little brighter with a lower kelvin.
Both of these would be considered an upgrade over the CBI.
What projectors are you using?
G5r
Is match 5000k LED?
xenon much strong then led
35W or 55W ballasts?
Sorry, I stopped listening to the narration halfway through the video...
any lumens info?
IMHO Philips is better for bixenon lamps - gives better highbeam light. Ofcourse without extras halogen highbeam lamps. Osram is better for standard xenon lamps with 2 lowbeam xenon and 2 highbeam halogen - gives more light on low beam and if highbeam is from halogen bulb they are better together works - no big differents between temperatures xenon lowbeam and halogen highbeam. And maximum light Output from works together xenon and halogen.
can't wait to melt the oncoming people's eyes
2 different ways to blind oncoming traffic basically.
op3l Read the caption. They are bulbs. Not lasers. And they are tested so that they would not blind traffic.
Here we have a internet crybaby
These are homologated (ECE approval to use on public roads) xenon hid bulbs, which will be most likely put inside xenon headlight due to base type. I don't know what are you complaining about.
People are putting HID retrofits or cheap chinese LEDs inside simple reflective halogen headlights, buying cheap chinese headlights with poor projectors etc, and off all this you choose to complain against ECE certified bulbs made for OEM xenon projectors ??
Do your homework knucklehead.... these bulbs are being used in the correct projectors. The only way people get blinded is when stupid kids throw HID’s into old reflector style housings. Those guys should be fined to the max or have their cars impounded until the lights are removed.
beri232 lol so edgy