Imagine designing a reliable, efficient lamp, but then not being allowed to sell it everywhere...and potentially not going to anyway just because of the fact they can last longer.... what a world we live in.
@@SpicySpleen There's nothing dangerous about it unless you're the CEO trying to rip people off. I'm going to guess you're not a CEO or a shareholder though so what's the complaint exactly?
@@ParaSpite Exactly. Instead, planned obsolescence is forced by law - presidents can't make decisions that will not result in maximum profit for their shareholders, it's literally illegal in most countries ; so given a flawed product that sells more, or a good one that lasts forever, it's unfortunately not a choice decision-makers get to make... and us consumers end up paying for it.
I've had ceiling lamp that has built in led strips and all the other magical parts I think it is 22w with the 3 led strips, and it has lasted probably about 6 years now and still rocking hard. Wasn't the cheapest one, but has probably saved me a lot of money in bulbs that I never had to buy.
I bought a few of these in Dubai a few years ago and brought them back with me. I didn't realize how unique they were at the time, just that they looked good and were cheap. ---and they work perfectly.
To clarify: Phillips has an exclusivity deal *in Dubai.* That means they're the only ones allowed to sell these kind of lamps in Dubai for the duration of the deal, making them the sole supplier whenever they're mandated. *Phillips and others could still sell these kinds of lamps anywhere else in the world if they so desired.*
One would have to do a wee look see at who has financial interests In Phillips. ie who is on the board of directors! One may find the odd Arabic Blue Blood may just have some say in the matter because they're on the board so too speak.
"if they so desired." they will never have that desire unless competitors force them to list it. As it stands, we all happily replace our bulbs every other year, couple years, whatever. they have ZERO incentive to release technology would increase the life-span of these bulbs, and therefore reduce repeat customers, unless a third-party incentivizes it.
@@danieljensen2626 the Dubai market isn't THAT big to make it an issue. Also, if the contract is only 5 years then repeat sales are unlikely.... Anyway, you would think an energy efficient Aircon would be more of a priority...
I wonder this too. I think one thing that can help me estimate an answer is to get to the bottom of a related curiosity of mine: why are companies incentivized to withold longer-lasting bulbs from the market? It seems companies do this, but I don't understand why doing so increases their profits. If bulb B lasts 10 times as long as bulb A for the same quality of light, then why wouldn't a company sell bulb B for 9 times as much as bulb A? This is a deal for consumers --- a 10% sale off lifetime light costs! --- and would also increase profit for the company assuming a single bulb B costs less to manufacture and ship than 9 bulb As combined. Are there cartel/coordination effects that overwhelm this incentive to sell efficient bulbs?
One of the last technologies featured on a show called Tomorrow's World before it was cancelled was a spray on enamel for teeth. If released to the public I'm sure dentists would go out of business overnight.
What is there to wonder about? It's money, plain and simple. Bulbs/lamps that actually last 15,000 hours mean that consumers aren't buying as frequently, and the profit margins are thinner as well because they're using more materials and the price increase for the consumer isn't on the same scale.
Someone needs to export these. I'd definitely pay international shipping to get my hands on these. The 80 CRI isn't ideal, but the power savings and lifespan are worth it.
@@crashoverride93637 depends on the conversion circuitry inside. 60 vs 50 hz is typically not a problem. 120 vs 240 might be, but American panels have 240v in them, and switching a circuit over to 240v isn't exactly difficult - although not necessarily up to code.
Yeah, that's true. These aren't exclusively to be sold in Dubai. And again, they seem to be a marketing gimmick than actually being ultra efficient. Poor power factor and too many lighting elements placed too closed to each other making their light to be blocked by each other reduces the efficiency. So they might be more efficient than regular ones, but not ultra efficient.😊
@cenchloraadums3143 They are at least very efficient: I changed all old LED lights with these new ones, and my watt consumption dropped by almost 2/3rd. At the same time it is much brighter, around 1/3rd. It all depends on what you have now it can be a nice little investment. Here I could buy them for 6 euro/6.50 dollar each, and they will pay themselves back in 2 to 4 years, depending on energy prices.
In Belgium they are called Phillips Green Label. They aren't run quite as cool as the ones pictured here. They only have about 50% more filaments than the normal while the dubai version has double.
I thought his was going to be some dangerous light bulb that could catch your house on fire. It actually turned out to be something that would beneficial to the entire world. Why can’t we get them everywhere? Efficiency is good.
@@marthapozo4881 actually, companies that make good value products end up as long lasting leaders. But too many are short sighted or ruined by corporate profit taking.
Google planned obsolecsence. In the 1800 i think there even was a bulb cartel that decided the bulbs to last not more then 1000h. Today the sames goes on with led bulbs. (And of course everything else containing electronics like cars, kitchen machinery, consumer electronics -tv - audio devices - computer/printers ect.)
Now I really want some for my house, but I don't know if that's because they look high quality, or if it's just the fact that I'm not allowed to have them!
Believe it or not, my father, 25 years ago, bought a non-branded Light bulb from some random chinese electrical shop and brought it back home and put it on our outdoor roof light, it was a very bright white lamp compared to other available lamp brand at that time. But what was so surprising was that single lamp lasted for more than 11 years, he bought it when i was probably 7, and when i come to collage that lamp still run and as bright as when it was new. But the house got renovated and the lamp accidentally damaged in the process and we sadly can not bought it again or check which brand it was made from since it had nothing written on it nor in its packaging.
Fun fact : this isn’t anything new but lamp makers entered an agreement as a cartel about a century back to produce very limited lifespan lights. Manufacturers producing bulbs with higher than agreed lifespan (in hours) were punished.
funny how companies can come together to prevent reduced profits by unanimously scamming people, but are completely unable do that when it comes to the destruction of the planet.
@@kingofmonsters7452 watch at x2 speed, he doesn't talk too quickly so it's still easily understandable. Plus it means you then can watch another video in that time you've saved! Yes, I do have a slight video-watching addiction 😁
Do you know the details of the agreement between Phillips and Dubai? I don't. They may be enjoined from selling them elsewhere for the duration of the contract.
@@Arfonfree Obviously export by private individuals is not restricted though, it's just that Philips can't (or won't) sell them anywhere else. These lamps are not contraband outside of Dubai, so if you want to send a truckload of them across the border, customs are not going to stop you. On the flip side, these lamps may just be stupidly more expensive than just having 3 or 4 cheap lamps and having them wear out.
@@padddy48 The law doesn't have anything to do with it, it's all about greed and profit margin: If they can sell more lamps each year and manufacture them for orders of magnitude cheaper, a company will do it. Because the circuit in this lamp is much more complicated, it means it's much more expensive to manufacture. Dubai probably wanted to have these lamps for the exact reason: To get ahead of the curve in efficiency and fight climate change, as well as not having to spend thousands each year (in parts and labour) just to replace lamps.
I'm very impressed with your reverse engineering of the lamp circuit. I've been reverse engineering circuits for about 60 years now and have a real appreciation for what you did. I was surprised that it wasn't a switching regulator, but that would be something prone to failure. I wondered about the "filaments" that they were many LEDs wired in series. If I recall, the junction voltage of an LED is about 1.65 volts, the last I can remember. I remember seeing my first LED back in the late '60's as a replacement for pilot lamps, not very bright but used hardly any power. I hope your schematic gets archived somewhere - got job - Jim
@@joshua22267 Ya, like MEK...it's illegal to buy it, but you can weld any plastic together with it quite easily with no ugly seams. It's extremely useful, so it was banned. Go figure. I ended up paying like ~$80 for some grey market bottle of lab grade MEK. I definitely got rid of it though because it's illegal ;) *wink*
@@LOLLYPOPPE In Poland you can still buy them in any DIY store. I mean they are officially not men't to be used at home, they are now called: shock resistant/specialized/workshop/traffic light bulbs.
I find amusing how almost everyone knows about planned obsolescence and how can it be bad, but as soon as you talk about it you are getting labeled as tin foil hat fetishist.
Well, no planed obsolescence, means less money so this is why companies don't "fix" that, also they try to shut down people that create good products so it will not harm their dirty business...
I don't know about other countries but this product finally made it to the italian market in the last weeks, Philips calls it "Classe A". The "40w 485 lumens" lamp draws 2.3w and it costs around 10€.
Harnessing the power of the sun for as long as possible is generally considered more significant than the subtle differences between tastes of spoiled grape juice.
"I need an LED lamp please" Salesman: _Puts LED lamp on the counter_ "No, you don't understand, I need a _real_ LED lamp" _Puts $20 on the counter_ Salesman: "Ah, I see!" _Puts Dubai lamp on the counter_
BUT !!! why Dubai ??? not available in UK ??? Phillips advertising dept creating a market, a must have, a need, and when enough "need" a new market is created in UK with lots of pennies to the shareholders. Very similar to the Mullard valve/ Phillips tie up in the 50's. Ooops giving my age away ☺
Congratulations Mr BigClive! You've been 'mentioned in dispatches' in my industry mag, Electronics Weekly. In being forced to comply with EU law regarding getting their LED lamps an 'A' rating they have, basically, started supplying Dubai type lamps for the EU market albeit including, what looks like, any advancements in technology which have come along in the interim. Not surprisingly Phillips are turning this into a marketing opportunity when it should really be an apology!
@@tonyv8925 IIRC they've always ran it at a low voltage, that's one of the reasons to it's long life. It's similar to this leds, run things undervolted and they will last longer.
@@jagobabarron5501 they also try and not power/thermal cycle it as well. when things have to get hot then cool off. Stuff gets kind of prissy about expansion and contraction and bulbs don't like that
6:45 - I wrote my thesis on a novel method for a cheap, full spectrum (white) LED. Long story short, it worked. My thesis advisor got in a terrible accident soon after and the paper has languished ever since. Happy show the work to anyone interested.
I wanted these when I saw this video a year ago. A couple of weeks ago I was pleased to see very similar lamps available in Germany and Switzerland. They have 8 and 12 filaments for 4 and 6 watts respectively. So they are running at 0.5 W per filament. Not quite as cool as these ones but still better than the bog standard ones.
they are also available in most stores in the US that sell light bulbs to such as Walmart, target, lowes, and home depot which was why i thought it was pretty odd for the title of this video to claim they are somehow prohibited or hard to get. when the only bulbs that are hard to find in the States now are the old and very un efficient filament bulbs which these days someone would be pretty dumb want to buy light bulbs that put out such low light for the amount of electricity they use and such short life span.
@@johnjames5712 A US Philips 40W equivalent runs has half the filaments of the 40W equivalent in the video and runs at twice the wattage. Their other bulbs are just as bad.
He's not saying these bulbs don't exist, they do, but the ones we get are usually the ones he shows with the fewer LED strips in them that run a lot current and burn out easily.
We used to wire incandescent light bulbs in series. It would halve the output, so it required twice the bulbs to get the same lumens, but they never burned out. It also shifted the light color towards the warm spectrum. We had one pair that ran for more than 30 years until we replaced them with LED bulbs.
I have 2 4W night lite bulbs wired in series that has been burning continuously for over 10 years. I use them as a night light next to my computer station.
@@bmakmotorsports I had it explained to me that the filaments in series increase the resistance, which means the filaments never reach their maximum failure votage.
@@bmakmotorsports heat is what ultimately kills the incandescent filament. Wiring 2 bulbs in series drops the voltage to half (if bulbs are identical) across each bulb which means less heat. I have 4 incandescent bulbs in the garage wired in series (so about 60V on each) and they've been on non stop for more than 10 years. They don't put out much light, but it's nice to look at the orange glowing filament.
One of those "yes but" suggestions. It will greatly extend the life of each bulb (lower running temperature, reduced inrush current on start up etc.), but it also greatly reduces the efficiency as well. A lot less useful light, because the lower temperature means that the filaments emit a much greater proportion of infra red instead of visible light than at the design point. The chosen design point is a compromise between lifespan and efficiency, (which is why halogen lamps were invented since they allow a higher temperature to be used for the same life). Your money, your choice at the end of the day.
Well, I keep claiming warranty on the ones that die on me too early, if every body does that they might reconsider as it might become more expensive...
YES. This. I have had 3 of the Feit bulbs from Costco with the 22 year guarantee go bad at 3, 4, and 5 years respectively. In each case, I wrote to them with the codes and they sent me a new bulb. On dissection I found the assemblies inside to be loose, slapdash, and with silicone sealer slobbered haphazardly in some places and missing in others.
@@Ken-sc3gx my thinking is that if they lower the warranty to say 4 years, suddenly people will wonder what’s so special about LEDs and might by incandescent again. Suddenly environmentally conscious people are outraged that we are regressing back to less efficient means of lighting our homes and demand that the government add regelation to help reach their climate goals (more likely in the UK). After about 5 years the government MIGHT decide to get off their arses and do it which would lead companies such as Phillips to sell these more efficient lights with their extended lifetime to other parts inn the world.
@@baconwizard When they first banned incandescents - I was livid. The only option at that time was CFL. Which not only give me migraines but actually cause my vision to get extremely blurry. And were expensive. So I stocked up on the old bulbs. And lived in the dark as much as possible because I didn't want to waste my precious supply of lighting. BUT THEN!!! Out came the LED's. At first they weren't so good and pricey. Now they've advance and become affordable. I'm in love with my LED bulbs. All connected to Alexa and except for the ones in my ceiling fan, all color changing. Being able to control the warmth and brightness is really nice. It's wonderful. They don't make me sick. BUT....they're still pricey compared to the old 3 for $1 incan. ones. And I still use those in places like above my stove and in closets. And in old lamps that don't like led's. However, I had 5 years where I felt like a cave dweller because the laws came before the technology. It really sucked. Now what I need are LED's that fit above my bathroom sink. It takes those narrow based big bulb things. I found some that are not only expensive ( since I need 5) and only in cool white, but the circuitry section is hideous looking. Again, technology hasn't reached every lit corner yet.
So for an extra dollar of cost in led and electronics you can make a lamp lasting forever. Capacitor droppers are so cheap and reliable. No funny high freq regulation
that HF regulation is the kind of shit that was in CRT TV's where you could hear the TV running with the screen off, drove me up the wall. Those HF LED's in light bulbs give me migraines if i spend longer than 30-60 mins around the light or the bulb. I had to put incandescent vintage bulbs in my desk lamp because I was getting headaches for no reason all the time. I went through 6 computer monitors until I discovered it was the light bulbs in my lamp.
I have one of the little 1W ones here in the UK or something very very similar in a side lamp. It's always on, on an evening and has lasted almost 6 years now. It has 4 filaments
As an electronic technician I get excited when someone like Clive dives deep into the circuity and can explain the nuances of the design. Yes watched the video and will rewatch specific segments. BTW there have been inventions that have been made to make our lives more cost efficient, sensible and better for the environment. The profit motive is more a motivation than to do the right thing.
This would make a good BBC investigation - "LED light bulbs designed for shorter life use double the electricity ! " If Boris wants to hit his green targets he should get this fixed pronto.
@@NikoBellaKhouf Statistically you're probably in a democracy, and democracies can't do these sorts of things. Once there area lot of people who are making the decision - or more precisely, a lot of people who can say "no" - corporate influence becomes a lot easier to establish. Of course, it is very easy to see other benefits that can outweigh that :D
@@Ithirahad you're right, I'm in the US, which is supposed to be a republic, but it hasn't felt like one for a long time. I really believe in the Constitution that we learned about in school. If our politicians stuck to that, we'd be much better off.
@@Ithirahad democracy can easily do that, just like the democratic eu banned tungsten lightbulbs and made led obligatory the can make demands on the lifespan., it doesnt take more then the political will to do so.
@@Ithirahad i mean democracy can very much do that The us of a has just become the carrot republic and since it's the "hallmark of democracy" everybody else follows in it's example, corrupt weeds in suits that get paid to let big companies abuse the population without repercussions and all
I remember when LED Bulbs first came out they were $20/each. My brother lives in Seattle Washington and they subsidized the LED bulbs so they only cost $4 each. I had my brother buy me a case of bulbs and ship them to me in Alabama. Saved myself a ton of money.
Love that they subsidize them here in Washington. I really like the warmer hues of LED bulbs and I've been installing them as my incandescent ones fail.
I bought 6 generic led bulbs 10 years ago (about 15-20$ each) (in comparasion normal 75-100W bulb cost maybe 1-1,5$ in my country) only one led bulb stopped working (flickering)
@@Urbicide yeah philips is gonna loose out on the market then. China already copies loads of stuff and provides cheaper alternatives. Just really depends on the quality. But seeing this, china will definitely win on this.
Reverse engineering a restricted-use, patented Super-efficient electronic circuit. Wow, I feel privileged. The design of the circuit is interesting to me in that (as far as I can remember)... The optimum running spectrum for Audio Equipment was taught to me as 55-78% of the maximum (where the 'maxumum' is still clipped at 98% for safety reasons). ...yes I know this is a lighting circuit! But it seems to be designed to run every part of its circuit inside that optimum. Which basically means taking advantage of the best running scenario of every single component. Which results in the best efficiency possible, the least strain on each component, the most stable condition possible for every component, resulting in a more reliable, more predictable, longer lasting device. That's space-age NASA design spec quality. Amazing that someone commissioned that kind of care in such a common use device. It just goes to prove, what amazing advances are actually possible RIGHT NOW. ...and makes it glaringly obvious why that kind of advancement has been held back worldwide. (Which I suspect is what the Sheikh was intending to show the world). ...of course, in the western world, I think we already knew it anyway, but seeing as most people just want a peaceful life, we just carry on and accept what we are allowed to accept, just because its easier. Maybe that's why we have globally environmental imbalance right now.
I watched this video years ago and it set me thinking. I tried to buy these efficient and long lasting lamps in the US--forget it-- you can't find them anywhere. So I made one instead. I didn't go with the filament type. I used the type that has a "light dome" on top of the non-lit part. I got mine from Dollar Tree. I removed the light dome and examined the circuit board. I found a "current sense" resistor that carries the current going to the LEDs and it's voltage drop is fed to the linear current regulator IC. I removed this resistor and soldered in one with twice the resistance. It will have enough voltage drop to tell the IC to "back off" at half the current. So instead of the lamp running at 60 mA and hot enough to burn skin, it now ran at 30 mA and was only hot to the touch but not burning. The drop in brightness was barely noticeable. I experimented with different resistors, and found I could run them at 15 mA and they were only barely warm. Not bright enough though. Since these bulbs only come with 11 surface-mount 3-chip LEDs, I can't achieve the efficiency of the Dubai lamps, at least for ordinary uses. There is one place I have actually exceeded the efficiency of the Dubai lamp! I am an ammature astronomer, and hate having my porch light killing my night vision, but I want to be able to see the steps. So I modified a bulb to run at 2 mA! The brightness did not drop as much as I expected. I would guess it to be about 100 lumens. Voltage times current equals watts, so 120 x 0.002 = 0.24 watts. That means I am getting about 400 lumens per watt! The trade-off is the size of the bulb, compared with the amount of light it gives. So far (3 years later) I have not had to replace ANY of the modified bulbs, except for the ones whose LED's I scratched with the knife as I removed the light dome. This let moisture into the LED, and it failed, opening the circuit so none of the LEDs would light. Again, thanks for making this Dubai lamp video. It opened up new possibilities for me. I should make a video showing how I modify my lamps. if you know basic electronics and can use a soldering iron (it actually takes 2 to remove a surface mount resistor) you can do this. When you get good, you can do a bulb in 10 minutes and the cost of the replacement axial-leaded resistor is only about 5 cents.
it's crazy how simply these lamps double efficiency and run at crazy low wattages. I mean of course people like to acknowledge that lightbulb companies scam us sure but like holy heck i'd never expect it to be this blatant.
It's not crazy. Unless it's your first time finding out. It's been already known filament and fluorescent lamps could have ran at higher efficiencies. Then came along LED which ups this even more. I think it'll be really crazy to discover what the efficiency limit is - possibly even more than the "double efficiency" shown here.
@@BoleDaPole These are easily economically viable if you calculate the actual cost of light, which most commerical customers do. Dumb consumer residential customers always prefer the absolute lowest cost per bulb, which will always put these at a disadvantage.
Didn't smartphone manufacturers get nailed with a massive suit in the States over designed/planned obsolescence? I wonder what the legality is for other consumer products after seeing this
@SIMP MASTER⁶⁹ same. i remember in 2011, using an intel celeron laptop, a bit slow on windows but as soon as you put ubuntu on it, it became klightning fast. nowadays, it doesn't make as much of a speed difference unfortunately.
@@dcculver2 no, use capacitor dropper and a double or triple switch (or whatever you want). Don't know if all lamps support this though. Typical values for caps are 0.1 uF for very dim light to 0.3 uF for medium brightness, the voltage over cap usually does not exceed 100VAC.
In the US you could buy 130v incandescent bulbs and they would last a decade if not longer. The filament was more substantial and could handle 130v. By running it on a standard 120v it wasn’t being worked as hard and therefore lasting longer. Any garage bulb or rough duty bulb was 130v because they could handle vibrations better too.
I ordered 2.5w bulbs after watching this. They're a little dim, probably should have ordered something in a cooler light instead of the warmer spectrum but i feel far less guilty leaving the lights on in my living room. I think its 10w total now! Far better then the 52w that was there when we bought the place.
I worked a few years repairing automotive test equipment. An instructor when I first started said this about ignition coils... And in particular he was talking about GM's C3I or computer controlled ignition. "Guys... Back in the day of points and condensers and secondary voltages in the 12KV range, the old timers would lean across the fender with their pecker grounded and grab the coil wire to see if the coil was working... If they got an erection the coil was good. Then GM came out with their HEI (High Energy Ignition) in the 20-30 KV range and they found their erection wouldn't go down for a week. Now guys... With C3I do not use this coil test. Because, the 100KV spark will put you in the ground!" Yeah... 'spicy voltage' is a euphemism for healthy (aka deadly or at least respect deserving) doses of good ole EMF. Perhaps a warning that says "Do not perform a pecker test on this circuit!" :)-(:
@@karlobrutalo425 Sorry... That's what the instructor said. I thought it funny as hell and 30 years down the road it still reminds me not to get between 'spicy' voltages and ground! :)
@@moietvous6932 Give me a break. How do you account for the widespread availability of oh... I dunno.. ALL LED BULBS?!??? With 15 year lifetimes obviously impacting their filament bulb sales. YET HERE WE ARE. CONSPIRACY DISPROVEN.
Tons of companies went out of business in like the 1960's to 1990's because their products were too good. There was a company that made kitchen towels and drying cloths, but they lasted forever (+50 years). So when my mom moved out of my grandparents house she got a set of those towels. 50 year later those towels are still good, they have been used and washed so many times. So yeah now they make shit products so you have to keep buying them.
So sad that genuine innovation is restricted by greed, we could have upgradable phones, replaceable batteries, long life bulbs (real ones) the constant "you must buy new and improved"
We would have them if there was any interest for them. This is classic myth of tinhatters, that everything is due to the greedy companies. Nope. Customers do not want them. There is no reason to make any upgradable phone with easily replaceable battery when after a short time customer wants to buy a new one. And he wants it slim and light and fairly cheap compared to other manufacturer - thus why bother with more expensive designs? I have 1 phone while others have changed theirs already at least twice.
@@TheChiz18 government regulation isn't stifling innovation. Companies only do what's profitable. Nobody wants to try new things if they think it won't make them money. If money wasn't an issue people would keep innovating without worry.
@@mungo7136 No offense, but the logic you're using there is absolute nonsense. The idea that profit drives corporate descisions isn't a tinhatter myth, it's mainstream economics and business. It may very well be true that most consumers don't care about having removable batteries; that is not evidence that manufacturers aren't basing their descision on profitability, rather than consumer preference. The simple reality is that businesses exist to make money for their shareholders. They will do whatever maximizes return. Obviously, what consumers actually want is a factor in that equation; if consumers really wanted removable batteries so badly that sales would suffer from not providing it, they would change their practices -- but only if lost sales totalled more than the money saved on manufacturing costs. If people preferred removable batteries, or didn't have a preference -- but would still buy something without one if it wasn't available, that's what manufacturers are going to do. That is the situation we're in. There are many arguments to be made in favor of the current system, especially its economy of scale, but calling its objectors crazy conspiracy theorists is not one of them. It's about the money, honey; the only question is whether that's a good thing or bad.
You are probably aware of this, but on the efixx channel very recently they looked at several lamps and the Philips lamp is now available in the UK. They also have an efficiency that puts them in the A band of the new energy rating scheme, whereas lamps of bargain basement makes now can have an efficiency half as much and would be rated F under the new scale.
Nope, count the filaments, look at wattage and light output. Still worlds apart. They're only slightly better to get the new "A+" rating, and priced in such a way they're not loosing profit with the small increase in longevity.
The lamps that you were mentioning have double the LED strips as the older ones but they're still half the ones if you compare to the ones sold in dubai
Life pro tip: if you want to assess CRI (colour rendering index) on your own without any special equipment, use the blank side of a CD or DVD. Shine the light onto the CD at an oblique angle, and observe the rainbow reflection. The closer to a perfect rainbow the reflection is, the higher the CRI will be. If you see two, three our four discrete reflections in red, green, blue or violet, the CRI will be very low. "Average" lamps will be somewhere in between those extremes.
As Clive said, repeatedly, the high efficiency comes from underrunning them, an increase in power by 4X would only increase the light output by 2X, roughly. That is you could run the 3 watt bulb at 12 watt, but the light output would be similar to most generic 12 W filament bulbs, or two of those 3 W Dubai bulbs.
It's genius, really. They sell shoddy lamps all over the world with an intentionally short lifespan, and then one country has long-lasting lamps and everyone wants those instead so they rush out and replace all the working lamps they've already bought
@@Echelon513 it's a giant super unorganised shopping mall. A literal maze of tiny shops packed to the rafters with everything you can think of. Mostly stuff from the Asian continent, hence the name.
Great, now I need something I can't have that I didn't know existed a half hour ago. How long is the plane ride to Dubai?! They should sell "commercial" grade LED replacements that run at low temp and are more efficient but cost more - just like they used to do with the "rough service" 60w bulbs that were rated at 130v in the US.
Trouble is, unlike these LEDs, 130 V incandescent lamps were even less efficient than 120 V ones. If you run an incandescent lamp below its rated voltage, it'll last a lot longer but emit much less visible light. The spectrum goes even more towards infrared (i.e. heat).
@@Ragnar8504 Yes, I think we all understand how incandescent bulbs work, that's not the point. You could also buy 100w bulbs like that if you needed more light. The point is there should be a version that actually last the 30,000+ hours they claim (if not 100,000 hours!) for commercial users at a higher cost. As a landlord who has to change a lot of lightbulbs I would be willing to pay 5x as much for a 4w 800 lumen bulb that actually lasts! It's not just about light output, some bulbs can be very expensive to have changed. I don't feel like current LED replacements last much longer than an old incandescent in real life. Also, we've been at around 100 lumens/watt for like a decade now, with almost no improvement in the standard "60w" LED. Even the dollar store sells them, why isn't there a $10 LED bulb? Maybe 200 lumens is asking for a bit much, how about 150? Seems totally reasonable for commercial/higher end consumer applications. Cost more to produce but I think there would be more than enough market for it... Really I just want a bulb that runs the chips within spec instead of roasting them!
Super awesome video. Im a student and a member of ieee, and i want to make a led light project with lower than spec amperage, to make ultra-efficient light fixtures. Thank you for the inspiration.
Wow! 0.1watt! It’s a real shame they don’t sell these outside of Dubai. They appear to be designed and built really well, obviously ultra efficient, and presumably because they don’t get hot, they will last for ages.
They won't get hot *inside* in an air conditioned building. Outside or in a utility setting is another matter. I wonder how hot they have to get to reduce lifespan and whether the probability of fast failure in non air conditioned locations is one (the main?) reason Philips makes these for a desert country.
I work for an electrical distributor and our documentation always states an “end of life” LED is when it drops below 70% light output. We mostly sell a brand named Satco, which is a brand owned by Phillips and they have overall been good bulbs that have lived up to their 5 year/50,000 hr warranties, that being said, they underrun more LEDs in their products to make them last longer. When a contractor installs 400 bulbs in a warehouse and they all gradually decline to 70% output over 5 years, it’s not even noticeable until the bulb is replaced by a fresh, new one and the output soars from 700 lumens up to 1000 again. So yeah, I’ve been very impressed with the quality of LEDs of some brands over others... RAB and Satco have been going strong with excellent customer satisfaction versus the economical grades people have been buying at box stores and having regret after 6 months.
Very interesting, that effectively means that for most people in most applications, the max lifespan of an LED bulb is double its manufacturer rating. Remember, most people probably don't know that theoretically the "proper" way for an LED to die is to dim itself out of usability. Most people probably wouldn't notice if their dual 60 watt equivalents are only displaying 84 watts, if they had 4 bulbs in a fixture it would probably be nearly double its rated lifespan before people realized it wasn't just their imagination that went dimmer. I'm sure the PSU fails before the LEDs usually, so would a premature failure be "normal" in a weird way?
I always hated how easily LED lamps "burn out". Like, out of nowhere they start to flicker, jump from bright to dim every 30 seconds, etc... I feel like I've swapped more LED lamps already than any other kind of lamp. That *can't* be good for the environment.
Pre-pandemic, a friend and I used to do border trades of out-of-county Girl Scout Cookies, and I'd resell them at-cost, black-market, to the most vanilla people you can imagine, who'd just get a thrill that they were party to subversion. (For those not in the know, in the States, GSA sells several cookie varieties this time of year, but you're only be able to buy and sell a subset of them in your own county. For example in California, Caramel Chocolate Chip and Lemonades are a hot commodity in LA county because you can't get 'em there, but you *can* get them in Orange county. The opposite holds for the uncoated variety of GS 'Smores, and Do-si-dos in LA county. Since sales are almost always community, out-of-county varieties are hard to get unless you're committed to finding kids selling them on the street thirty miles from your house. Most people aren't because, well, you know, it's creepy. You'd be surprised how few people are willing to engage in border trades. GSA corporate frowns on the practice so much that any GS parent caught doing it will get their kid's charter revoked or their kid kicked out of the troop.)
As a boy, I used to love taking things apart to see what makes them tick. Watching this was like revisiting my childhood, except you were able to put it back together again. The level of engineering that goes into even the most ordinary things never ceases to astound me. This was an absolutely fascinating video. Without electricity, our entire civilization would crumble.
yep. i still remember attaching nails to transformers in water to produce rust to try to make thermite. i wouldn’t say the electricity thing like that. that makes it seem like electricity is some great invention. it’s not. it’s a natural product of life. we just harness it for our uses. we physically make it 24/7.
Just imagine if everybody changes to these Super-Duper Eco LED bulbs, how much electricity, heat, time and money the world would save. Thanks for sharing that video! I believe more attention is required by other big companies and manufacturers to keep the competition up and the advancements in technology at their best.
Impressive as they are the savings are not that great. Most energy demand is for heating homes (or cooling with air-conditioning). Most domestic consumers would hardly notice any savings on their electricity bill. More important for consumers is that they need to last as long as they claim for the environmental pay back. If they are like the crap ones like I had then they are a larger environmental cost.
@@jamescaley9942 I mean needing to produce less lamps does decrease the total energy and time the world does save, but not from a consumer standpoint no. But ideally, this'd apply to all products, not just lamps
If you actually care about saving resources, I would be more concerned about modern "smart" appliances having a stand-by mode that continually waste up to 10w of power when "off". An Led light that uses a few watts less than average is nothing compared to this.
@@jamescaley9942 Scale the efficiency gains up to say 10 billion bulbs which is an extremely reasonable number, all of a sudden the numbers start to make some real sense.
Under running LEDs! YES! This is why I buy bare LED panels and build my own capacitor dropper circuits for them running ~8-9W instead of the intended 24W. Powerful enough to lit up our small rooms and will last forever. Thank you Clive for investigating this lamp, never heard of it before!
but why would you use cap droppers? get an LED driver (couple euro/pounds/dollars) with whatever constant current you want (or you can alter it yourself, it's just a single resistor most of the time). I run 5730 at around 90mA.
@@stanimir4197 Because I learned to build only that type and am certainly lacking the understanding of those constant current drives. You say I could simply modify a 300mA CC drive to become a say, 200mA? What happens with the voltage? I mean, 300mA CC, why is there a spec of voltage when I buy it? Can I go outside of that spec? See, I did not figure these out, I have a lot of capacitor dropper circuit components, I just build them.
@@Sekir80 well, almost certainly you can modify 300mA to become less. The current is usually given by some resistor, even in the schematic shown here, it holds true. About the voltage - that's the entire idea of the Constant Current driver, it modifies the voltage to keep the current constant. For LEDs it will drop the voltage (and resp the forward voltage) - keep in mind the forward current depends on the forward voltage.
@@Sekir80 Just an example of cheap but decent (and isolated) LED driver, and you can get 200mA one: www.aliexpress.com/item/32807109097.html Alternatively you can buy name brand like Meanwell LED drivers that would match your spec.
reminds me that I always wanted to google who came up with that really bad idea of labeling energy efficiency in reverse alphabetical order, either totally not expecting to reach beyond A or not giving a shit, I mean, they had ONE JOB
New EU energy label for lighting is coming, starting September 2021. This has been in the works for years, petitioning time is over. The new A rating will be for lamps exceeding 210 Lm/W, putting these Dubai lamps into the B tier if they were to be released in EU. Regulation authors didn't "not consider what comes after A" - instead these regulations are specifically created with the intention of being revised and amended as market conditions change. One can't possibly have the foresight to account for 40 years of technological development, and so the idea is to come together twice per decade or so to reconsider these labels again. A isn't enough? Alright let's add A+ & A++. Most new models can reach A++ already? Time for a new label.
Dubai is a world leader in carbon emissions per person. They aren't going to stop driving 6L V8's and Lamborghinis 'cos petrol is almost free, so fancy LED's are essential to save the polar bears of Dubai.
Yea but then they ensured noone else can have them. I wonder why an oil country would want to ensure they use as little oil as possible and make sure everyone else is less efficient
I really enjoyed the humorous monologue which shows your fascination with the subject. So many others would have made this video totally boring. Not you. I wish I had a teacher with these skills sixty years ago.
Lights with a bad colour spectrum won't show things more grey, they just drop out or overemphasize different colours. Even 'full spectrum' lights do it. So some colours basically disappear and others start to 'pop', resulting in weird effects. I'm an artist and it's one of the banes of my life. It also means it's basically impossible to work at night and during the day on the same piece. You have to separate things otherwise you just end up in an infinite cycle of 'correcting' things that suddenly look wrong. Some companies advertise lights for artists and designers that are supposedly going to imitate daylight but they never do, at least not in my experience so far.
I'm absolutely on the "colour rendering" thing. CRI 80 isn't good enough. CRI 94-95 is getting there. The Philips ExpertColor lamps (available in GU10 spots) are CRI 95-ish, and are not bad (get the "927" = 2700K version). Otherwise, get yourself a stock of "banned" old-school halogen filament lamps!
"Edison bulbs" arrived with long lives in the first metal filaments, and then they realized what they'd done, and raised the voltage standard. There's a light bulb that was installed in a fire station I believe in New Jersey, that is still burning today, well over a hundred years later. The first "nylons" produced didn't wear out, but that was immediately changed.
Company who made durable products will only sell their products once to each customer and then go bankrupt. Other company learn that fact very fast now we all has to keep buying products that will fail after their warranty period lapsed.
@@TaigiTWeseFormosanDiplomat i bed it could be changed within that time. Also, they could put out 1 pic more times to get more time to change it. I cant believe ppl really believe this crap
Over the last 2 decades I've really put focus on efficiency in every aspect of life. I now leave about 75% less footprint with no added inconveniences. It all started with more efficient light bulbs.
@@davidcobra1735 Most people don't use natural lighting period. It doesn't light as well as electricity. Walk into your local barber shop with big windows out front letting all the daylight in...they still run lights on. Most people in homes shut out the light from Windows because it heats up the house then you have to run the A.C. Every time I see one of those all glass buildings that are supposed to be "green" it's just a joke. Glass doesn't insulate at all compared to solid wall. All these glass buildings are getting overheated in the summer and frozen cold in the winter. They are spending way more money on heating and cooling due to all the glass while still using electricity for lighting.
@@XDWX I should have just stopped reading at your first sentence. I knew it but I seem to never take my own advice. All I have to say in response is OK.
The same was available in NZ years ago (early 90s?) with incandescent bulbs. They were filament bulbs rated at 260V (we use a 220-240V supply) - Called The Mazda Wonder Light. They would last forever, and sold as such. Years later (late 90s until LED avail), and after Mazdas were no longer available, they made them under rated on purpose, so they burn out in less than a year. Pre 90s, 80s and earlier a bulb would last many years, and in many documented cases - many decades.
Except underpowered filaments have very very very low efficiency. They consume more electricity for the same light, so cost you more in the end. Underpowered led are the opposite : very high efficiency.
You can now get these bulbs - or something very comparable - from Philips in the UK. Initially the ones I found were all clear glass, E27 base and seemed to be cold or cool white, but I've started finding some B22 recently, frosted versions and warmer whites. Still no dimmable versons. I can see these being a great bulb for situations like garden lights that are left on all night, or hospitality where lobbys and halls are lit all night in hotels. Since they're not dimmable I can't use many of them around my house, but maybe that will change in the future.
@@curtw8827 And in the end, we working in property maintenance will get the last laugh by putting in whatever happens to be in stock once the original breaks. College hallways look lot less boring when you use a random selection of 2700K to 6500K lamps as replacements.
when its 50 degrees Celsius outside, you want light without heat. Makes sense Dubai would invest coz every watt of heat is an extra watt or more of air conditioning.
I think this is less about heat though, and just more about bulb replacement. Dubai uses a lot of lights, and especially lights in places that are hard to get to. They'll save just by having to send crews out less often to replace lights. I mean imagine you need to replace bulbs in a skyscraper. I guarantee that at any given moment in a large building, someone is replacing a bulb. I think they could have gone even smarter though, because there's way to make lights that last pretty much forever. So if they were smart, they would have gone with bulbs that would be guaranteed to last 100 years. Even if it was 50 dollars a bulb, they'd save huge.
@@Tepadj Are you talking about those extremely inefficient incandescent bulbs? If yes than no, they're not "banned", just being phased out basically everywhere in the world (maybe except Russia lol). You can still buy them, but why?
It seems that Philips started selling something like these over here in Indonesia. They are advertised as having 200 lm/W, last 50000 hrs / 50 years, and the picture shows it has many filaments. It's priced at slightly more than 2x of "standard" LED lamps of equivalent brightness.
over-running LEDs is the dark secret of the industry. I keep having this discussion with customers who insist that "Watts output for Money Input" is all that matters.
@@tomstickland I have seen comments like this before, what precisely do you mean ? I use lighting to see with when it is dark, what do you use them for ?
@@CrimeVid Jeevons paradox - when something becomes more efficient then people use more of it. Because LED lighting can produce bright light more efficiently then people are installing more of them, too bright for the requirements and leaving them on when not needed. This particularly applied to high colour temperature lighting. Light pollution is a growing issue, it affects health and wildlife. Best practice calls for ALARA - as low as reasonably achievable.
@@tomstickland Studies have shown a 65-year-old may need up to 15 times as much light to read as a 10-year-old. The amount of light you need depends on your age and eyesight. At 72 I love the new LED bulbs in daylight - can see much better and don't get depressed in winter.
Cool seeing you breakdown something that is so overbuilt in a good way rather than all the poorly designed chinese stuff. Don't get me wrong I like those too but this gave a very good contrast in quality of circuit design.
Overbuilt? Parallel caps adds capacity, quadrupling caps increases the chance of misplacement and placing a bad component and manufacture time, which aren’t good things.
The docu-movie The Lightbulb Conspiracy (On RUclips when I watched it years ago) is absolutely validated by the actions of Phillips with these light bulbs. They all make shit designed to fail. No surprise really.
I knew a guy that brought bulbs from Europe back to Canada. The bulbs usually work at 240 volts in Europe. So when you supply them with half of that voltage they run for way longer. Depending on the bulb you buy you may need a socket converter so buy bulbs twice the brightness you need, supply them with half the power and there you go. Now the bulbs will last for 250000+ hours depending on cycling duty. 💡 😮
I have always been skeptical of the term "long life" as used to sell lamps in the UK. In my experience, they are not long life compared to the old filament lamps - the only advantage is the reduced current usage. I have even gone to the bother of discussing this with trading standards and I get the impression that manufacturers have free reign for now.
I had a cheapo Great Value brand LED bulb make it nearly 9k hours in a outdoor fully enclosed light in Florida. It was rated at 10k hours. It ran 24/7 so maybe it lasted due to not being switched on/off. I imagine 10k hours is acheivable in a more ideal enviroment. Over all though, I would agree. The electronics inside seem to fail much sooner than the rating as most of mine start flickering.
Light bulbs are fascinating. They are a product that could last indefinitely consuming nearly no power, but they have developed to be consumable products just because no one wants to sell the good ones.
The concept works in paradigms other than the LED world... Under-running and not pushing anything close to its limits - says all the Prius owners with 300+ thousand miles and going strong.
Yet I have a feeling that AAA is going to be making more tows than jumpstarts whenever a Toyota owner calls in, because whoever opted for gas instead of electric is buying in on the ‘company with the maintenance-free transmission, except it’s just CVT.
I've had many LED bulbs die, including Philips branded. I usually rip them apart and every time it's been the driver that went bad and the LEDs still work fine. So I guess this design that keeps the driver at cooler temps makes sense.
@@alecto1550 it is very hard to desolder LEDs and not to destroy it. You will need pre heater for the plate. But we can always reuse a circuitboard with LEDs on it.
Imagine designing a reliable, efficient lamp, but then not being allowed to sell it everywhere...and potentially not going to anyway just because of the fact they can last longer.... what a world we live in.
And imagine that we also know this world's resources are limited and the environment is already severely damaged.
This is the kind of stuff that the government should crack down on if they truly cared about the environment, but they don't.
All hail the almighty dollar!
Tesla desiged a way for everyone to have free electricity...they destroyed the research & means.
planned obsolescence is a thing
Lesson learned: If you're rich enough, you can strong-arm international corporations not to screw you over.
spot on
More like- government can actually force better products for the people when corporations don't own all the politicians.
@@BReal-10EC that is dangerous thinking in today's age
Exactly. Imagine the amount of money/power involved in that arrangement enough to stop the program obsolescence bullshit that we live in.
@@SpicySpleen There's nothing dangerous about it unless you're the CEO trying to rip people off. I'm going to guess you're not a CEO or a shareholder though so what's the complaint exactly?
It's incredibly frustrating seeing good technology intentionally held back like this.
Yeah, planned obsolescence should really be punished harder
@@SlaughteredDecay
-harder- _at all_
@@ParaSpite Exactly. Instead, planned obsolescence is forced by law - presidents can't make decisions that will not result in maximum profit for their shareholders, it's literally illegal in most countries ; so given a flawed product that sells more, or a good one that lasts forever, it's unfortunately not a choice decision-makers get to make... and us consumers end up paying for it.
I've had ceiling lamp that has built in led strips and all the other magical parts I think it is 22w with the 3 led strips, and it has lasted probably about 6 years now and still rocking hard.
Wasn't the cheapest one, but has probably saved me a lot of money in bulbs that I never had to buy.
They're saving cents to screw the world out of gigawatts of power efficiency gains. Going from 100lm/W to 200lm/w would be a big deal.
I bought a few of these in Dubai a few years ago and brought them back with me. I didn't realize how unique they were at the time, just that they looked good and were cheap. ---and they work perfectly.
what do you mean by cheap? they guy just said that they are expensive...
@@zeratul600read again
Who buys light bulbs on trips?
@@zeratul600 they are really cheap, around 3.8 usd per bulb.
@@ducatista1098s yeah, unless you know what they already are, why? seems fishy but eh
To clarify: Phillips has an exclusivity deal *in Dubai.*
That means they're the only ones allowed to sell these kind of lamps in Dubai for the duration of the deal, making them the sole supplier whenever they're mandated.
*Phillips and others could still sell these kinds of lamps anywhere else in the world if they so desired.*
It's possible Dubai made the deal exclusive on their end to, as in if Phillips sells them elsewhere they lose the Dubai market.
@@danieljensen2626 I feel like that wouldn’t make much sense.
One would have to do a wee look see at who has financial interests In Phillips. ie who is on the board of directors! One may find the odd Arabic Blue Blood may just have some say in the matter because they're on the board so too speak.
"if they so desired." they will never have that desire unless competitors force them to list it. As it stands, we all happily replace our bulbs every other year, couple years, whatever. they have ZERO incentive to release technology would increase the life-span of these bulbs, and therefore reduce repeat customers, unless a third-party incentivizes it.
@@danieljensen2626 the Dubai market isn't THAT big to make it an issue.
Also, if the contract is only 5 years then repeat sales are unlikely....
Anyway, you would think an energy efficient Aircon would be more of a priority...
This makes me wonder how many beneficial technologies are being kept from the world
I wonder this too.
I think one thing that can help me estimate an answer is to get to the bottom of a related curiosity of mine: why are companies incentivized to withold longer-lasting bulbs from the market? It seems companies do this, but I don't understand why doing so increases their profits.
If bulb B lasts 10 times as long as bulb A for the same quality of light, then why wouldn't a company sell bulb B for 9 times as much as bulb A? This is a deal for consumers --- a 10% sale off lifetime light costs! --- and would also increase profit for the company assuming a single bulb B costs less to manufacture and ship than 9 bulb As combined.
Are there cartel/coordination effects that overwhelm this incentive to sell efficient bulbs?
Well most of the Inventors of "beneficial technology" almost all suddenly disappear or found dead, and the discoveries are never brought up again.
That's basically what pharmaceutical companies do all day. Holding back cheaper, more efective and healthier medicine to get rich quick
One of the last technologies featured on a show called Tomorrow's World before it was cancelled was a spray on enamel for teeth. If released to the public I'm sure dentists would go out of business overnight.
What is there to wonder about? It's money, plain and simple. Bulbs/lamps that actually last 15,000 hours mean that consumers aren't buying as frequently, and the profit margins are thinner as well because they're using more materials and the price increase for the consumer isn't on the same scale.
Google search trends suddenly has a spike in searches for "dubai lamp" - I love it!
Someone needs to export these. I'd definitely pay international shipping to get my hands on these. The 80 CRI isn't ideal, but the power savings and lifespan are worth it.
@@PsRohrbaugh was thinking that when Corona do I'm going to holiday in Dubai and you know what I'm bringing back
Not sure you can actually get them here though but I please have a look at www.amazon.ae/Dubai-Lamp-Warm-White-3W/dp/B07N7125GV
@@PsRohrbaugh am I wrong in assuming they wont work in America due to 220 vs 110 and 50htz vs 60
@@crashoverride93637 depends on the conversion circuitry inside. 60 vs 50 hz is typically not a problem. 120 vs 240 might be, but American panels have 240v in them, and switching a circuit over to 240v isn't exactly difficult - although not necessarily up to code.
For those wondering they are marketed as "phillips ultra efficiency" in some places.
Yeah, that's true. These aren't exclusively to be sold in Dubai. And again, they seem to be a marketing gimmick than actually being ultra efficient. Poor power factor and too many lighting elements placed too closed to each other making their light to be blocked by each other reduces the efficiency. So they might be more efficient than regular ones, but not ultra efficient.😊
*Philips
Thanks, found them for €60 for 6 of them.
@cenchloraadums3143 They are at least very efficient: I changed all old LED lights with these new ones, and my watt consumption dropped by almost 2/3rd. At the same time it is much brighter, around 1/3rd. It all depends on what you have now it can be a nice little investment. Here I could buy them for 6 euro/6.50 dollar each, and they will pay themselves back in 2 to 4 years, depending on energy prices.
In Belgium they are called Phillips Green Label. They aren't run quite as cool as the ones pictured here. They only have about 50% more filaments than the normal while the dubai version has double.
Title: "The lamp you're not allowed to have."
Me: "I have never heard of these before today, and yet I have never wanted anything more in my life."
@@mr.g-sez This is an LED filament.. there is a big difference from incandescent filament bulbs.
@@mr.g-sez ???? why are you being do aggressive chill out man
Mr. G-sez Deleted their comment what did they say
@@codyyoung5946 Something about if I really had never seen a bulb like this because they're common or something
glad you havent met my wife , she'd rearange what you need in in life quite a bit
I thought his was going to be some dangerous light bulb that could catch your house on fire. It actually turned out to be something that would beneficial to the entire world. Why can’t we get them everywhere? Efficiency is good.
The Company will get more Money from us/the customers if we are somewhat forced to buy new lamps if the old ones get bad
Greed. If it breaks sooner, you buy a new one sooner.
Good for consumers, bad for companies.
@@marthapozo4881 actually, companies that make good value products end up as long lasting leaders. But too many are short sighted or ruined by corporate profit taking.
Google planned obsolecsence. In the 1800 i think there even was a bulb cartel that decided the bulbs to last not more then 1000h. Today the sames goes on with led bulbs. (And of course everything else containing electronics like cars, kitchen machinery, consumer electronics -tv - audio devices - computer/printers ect.)
Now I really want some for my house, but I don't know if that's because they look high quality, or if it's just the fact that I'm not allowed to have them!
Anything forbidden is always more appealing
Yes.
probably 50/50 for me.
@@BrazenBob blame EU
The FORBIDDEN Dooby lampz.
Believe it or not, my father, 25 years ago, bought a non-branded Light bulb from some random chinese electrical shop and brought it back home and put it on our outdoor roof light, it was a very bright white lamp compared to other available lamp brand at that time. But what was so surprising was that single lamp lasted for more than 11 years, he bought it when i was probably 7, and when i come to collage that lamp still run and as bright as when it was new.
But the house got renovated and the lamp accidentally damaged in the process and we sadly can not bought it again or check which brand it was made from since it had nothing written on it nor in its packaging.
Fun fact : this isn’t anything new but lamp makers entered an agreement as a cartel about a century back to produce very limited lifespan lights. Manufacturers producing bulbs with higher than agreed lifespan (in hours) were punished.
The Phoebus Cartel.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel
Hey, I watched a video on that!
yes that's a public secret
veritasium had video on this
funny how companies can come together to prevent reduced profits by unanimously scamming people, but are completely unable do that when it comes to the destruction of the planet.
Does anyone but me appreciate the extra thought and care taken to cut out the round shape of the circuit board pictures?
I noticed. I also noticed how perfectly round they were cut too!
He printed them on circular paper.
Can you make videos shorter ? Your video are interesting and Informative but 30 min videos are hard to download make 10 min videos at max
@@kingofmonsters7452 he offers detail that a 10 minute video won't cover
@@kingofmonsters7452 watch at x2 speed, he doesn't talk too quickly so it's still easily understandable.
Plus it means you then can watch another video in that time you've saved!
Yes, I do have a slight video-watching addiction 😁
Oh Phillips could sell them everywhere, they just don’t want to.
yes
Do you know the details of the agreement between Phillips and Dubai? I don't. They may be enjoined from selling them elsewhere for the duration of the contract.
@@Arfonfree Obviously export by private individuals is not restricted though, it's just that Philips can't (or won't) sell them anywhere else. These lamps are not contraband outside of Dubai, so if you want to send a truckload of them across the border, customs are not going to stop you.
On the flip side, these lamps may just be stupidly more expensive than just having 3 or 4 cheap lamps and having them wear out.
Actually no they can't its in the law that they have to burn down.
All for economics.
@@padddy48 The law doesn't have anything to do with it, it's all about greed and profit margin: If they can sell more lamps each year and manufacture them for orders of magnitude cheaper, a company will do it. Because the circuit in this lamp is much more complicated, it means it's much more expensive to manufacture.
Dubai probably wanted to have these lamps for the exact reason: To get ahead of the curve in efficiency and fight climate change, as well as not having to spend thousands each year (in parts and labour) just to replace lamps.
I'm very impressed with your reverse engineering of the lamp circuit. I've been reverse engineering circuits for about 60 years now and have a real appreciation for what you did. I was surprised that it wasn't a switching regulator, but that would be something prone to failure. I wondered about the "filaments" that they were many LEDs wired in series. If I recall, the junction voltage of an LED is about 1.65 volts, the last I can remember.
I remember seeing my first LED back in the late '60's as a replacement for pilot lamps, not very bright but used hardly any power.
I hope your schematic gets archived somewhere - got job - Jim
Never thought I’d spend an hour searching for gray-market lightbulbs but here we are.
Some folks in Dubai ought to read these comments. I have paid my European friend to send me things before.
Like I say, if its illegal, you know that it must work really good 😂😂😂😂😂
@@joshua22267 Ya, like MEK...it's illegal to buy it, but you can weld any plastic together with it quite easily with no ugly seams. It's extremely useful, so it was banned. Go figure. I ended up paying like ~$80 for some grey market bottle of lab grade MEK. I definitely got rid of it though because it's illegal ;) *wink*
I’ve been doing this for years, since the EU banned the good old incandescent light bulb. I now buy them from China cheaper than ever.
@@LOLLYPOPPE In Poland you can still buy them in any DIY store. I mean they are officially not men't to be used at home, they are now called: shock resistant/specialized/workshop/traffic light bulbs.
I find amusing how almost everyone knows about planned obsolescence and how can it be bad, but almost no one tries stuff to circumvent it.
What do you mean by "try stuff"? Taking them apart when they fail and trying to fix? I need an intro to electronics course first! 😟
Unfortunately, we've been convinced that fixing things at home are "hack fixes."
$10 bulb is planned obsolescence of your wallet.
I find amusing how almost everyone knows about planned obsolescence and how can it be bad, but as soon as you talk about it you are getting labeled as tin foil hat fetishist.
Well, no planed obsolescence, means less money so this is why companies don't "fix" that, also they try to shut down people that create good products so it will not harm their dirty business...
When I heard "Dubai Lamps" I thought it was some old technology being obscured by Big Light but it's a recent technology being obscured by Big Light.
Can't believe "Big Light" is even a thing.
@@HoloScope "Big Light" in the 1920s was called the Phoebus cartel:
spectrum.ieee.org/tech-history/dawn-of-electronics/the-great-lightbulb-conspiracy
@@HoloScope really makes one wonder what other Big are out there
@@HoloScope There is also Big Screw
@@yuriythebest Big data.
I don't know about other countries but this product finally made it to the italian market in the last weeks, Philips calls it "Classe A". The "40w 485 lumens" lamp draws 2.3w and it costs around 10€.
Quite expensive
if it draws 40watt why does it draw 2.3 watt?
@@noklarok 40w is the equivalent incandescent light bulb. It does draw 2.3w.
True I have some of these
weird that with such high price and lowpower draw its going to cost more upfront than what it will ever consume in its life.
I watched how a grown man talk about lamps like a sommelier about wine. 32 minutes...jesus
Welcome to Clive's channel.
Harnessing the power of the sun for as long as possible is generally considered more significant than the subtle differences between tastes of spoiled grape juice.
😅
He makes it interesting somehow.
He lost me at the perv factor, no wonder these bulbs aren't available everywhere.
"I need an LED lamp please"
Salesman: _Puts LED lamp on the counter_
"No, you don't understand, I need a _real_ LED lamp" _Puts $20 on the counter_
Salesman: "Ah, I see!" _Puts Dubai lamp on the counter_
That should definitely be a Monty Python sketch
It’s called keep the capitalism in play for the rest of the indentured world.
BUT !!! why Dubai ??? not available in UK ??? Phillips advertising dept creating a market, a must have, a need, and when enough "need" a new market is created in UK with lots of pennies to the shareholders. Very similar to the Mullard valve/ Phillips tie up in the 50's. Ooops giving my age away ☺
the governments are lying to us and we will never see these in our stores
Governments? You mean companies, right?
Congratulations Mr BigClive! You've been 'mentioned in dispatches' in my industry mag, Electronics Weekly. In being forced to comply with EU law regarding getting their LED lamps an 'A' rating they have, basically, started supplying Dubai type lamps for the EU market albeit including, what looks like, any advancements in technology which have come along in the interim. Not surprisingly Phillips are turning this into a marketing opportunity when it should really be an apology!
There is an old firestation here in the US that has an Edison bulb that has been burning for over 100 years. It still works!
@@tonyv8925 yep although not very bright in comparison to contemporary bulbs.
@@tonyv8925 IIRC they've always ran it at a low voltage, that's one of the reasons to it's long life. It's similar to this leds, run things undervolted and they will last longer.
@@jagobabarron5501 they also try and not power/thermal cycle it as well. when things have to get hot then cool off. Stuff gets kind of prissy about expansion and contraction and bulbs don't like that
@@tonyv8925 Britain has a bulb that is still glowing after 130 years, dating from 1883.
6:45 - I wrote my thesis on a novel method for a cheap, full spectrum (white) LED. Long story short, it worked. My thesis advisor got in a terrible accident soon after and the paper has languished ever since. Happy show the work to anyone interested.
Any way you can upload it for public viewing?
So I guess it's not so much "Dubai" as it is "can't buy".
Nice...!
Lord of Puns
Lol
i see what you did there
Boom boom!
Having been in electronics for over 60 years, I found this video to be quite satisfying. Thank you for the time of production.
Tony V 👏😊🇬🇧..
Damn I work at Philips and had no idea this even existed!
Look better or see my answer elsewhere. It will surprise you...
Compartmentalization - that's why u don't know.
You're just a number
@@KenyaSG no u
@@KenyaSG there's nothing wrong with being a number as long as they're putting numbers on your cheque.
I wanted these when I saw this video a year ago. A couple of weeks ago I was pleased to see very similar lamps available in Germany and Switzerland. They have 8 and 12 filaments for 4 and 6 watts respectively. So they are running at 0.5 W per filament. Not quite as cool as these ones but still better than the bog standard ones.
they are also available in most stores in the US that sell light bulbs to such as Walmart, target, lowes, and home depot which was why i thought it was pretty odd for the title of this video to claim they are somehow prohibited or hard to get. when the only bulbs that are hard to find in the States now are the old and very un efficient filament bulbs which these days someone would be pretty dumb want to buy light bulbs that put out such low light for the amount of electricity they use and such short life span.
@@johnjames5712 the video is 2 years old when that wasn't true
@@johnjames5712 A US Philips 40W equivalent runs has half the filaments of the 40W equivalent in the video and runs at twice the wattage. Their other bulbs are just as bad.
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br well, youtube allmigthy algorithm is now recommending it again :D
He's not saying these bulbs don't exist, they do, but the ones we get are usually the ones he shows with the fewer LED strips in them that run a lot current and burn out easily.
We used to wire incandescent light bulbs in series. It would halve the output, so it required twice the bulbs to get the same lumens, but they never burned out. It also shifted the light color towards the warm spectrum. We had one pair that ran for more than 30 years until we replaced them with LED bulbs.
I have 2 4W night lite bulbs wired in series that has been burning continuously for over 10 years. I use them as a night light next to my computer station.
Why do you think wiring them in series helps them last?
@@bmakmotorsports I had it explained to me that the filaments in series increase the resistance, which means the filaments never reach their maximum failure votage.
@@bmakmotorsports heat is what ultimately kills the incandescent filament. Wiring 2 bulbs in series drops the voltage to half (if bulbs are identical) across each bulb which means less heat.
I have 4 incandescent bulbs in the garage wired in series (so about 60V on each) and they've been on non stop for more than 10 years. They don't put out much light, but it's nice to look at the orange glowing filament.
One of those "yes but" suggestions. It will greatly extend the life of each bulb (lower running temperature, reduced inrush current on start up etc.), but it also greatly reduces the efficiency as well. A lot less useful light, because the lower temperature means that the filaments emit a much greater proportion of infra red instead of visible light than at the design point. The chosen design point is a compromise between lifespan and efficiency, (which is why halogen lamps were invented since they allow a higher temperature to be used for the same life).
Your money, your choice at the end of the day.
Well, I keep claiming warranty on the ones that die on me too early, if every body does that they might reconsider as it might become more expensive...
YES. This. I have had 3 of the Feit bulbs from Costco with the 22 year guarantee go bad at 3, 4, and 5 years respectively.
In each case, I wrote to them with the codes and they sent me a new bulb. On dissection I found the assemblies inside to be loose, slapdash, and with silicone sealer slobbered haphazardly in some places and missing in others.
They'll just modify the warranty.
@@Ken-sc3gx well there is a legal minimum that can’t be undermined and else just buy the ones that have a long warranty
@@Ken-sc3gx my thinking is that if they lower the warranty to say 4 years, suddenly people will wonder what’s so special about LEDs and might by incandescent again. Suddenly environmentally conscious people are outraged that we are regressing back to less efficient means of lighting our homes and demand that the government add regelation to help reach their climate goals (more likely in the UK). After about 5 years the government MIGHT decide to get off their arses and do it which would lead companies such as Phillips to sell these more efficient lights with their extended lifetime to other parts inn the world.
@@baconwizard When they first banned incandescents - I was livid. The only option at that time was CFL. Which not only give me migraines but actually cause my vision to get extremely blurry. And were expensive. So I stocked up on the old bulbs. And lived in the dark as much as possible because I didn't want to waste my precious supply of lighting. BUT THEN!!! Out came the LED's. At first they weren't so good and pricey. Now they've advance and become affordable. I'm in love with my LED bulbs. All connected to Alexa and except for the ones in my ceiling fan, all color changing. Being able to control the warmth and brightness is really nice. It's wonderful. They don't make me sick. BUT....they're still pricey compared to the old 3 for $1 incan. ones. And I still use those in places like above my stove and in closets. And in old lamps that don't like led's. However, I had 5 years where I felt like a cave dweller because the laws came before the technology. It really sucked. Now what I need are LED's that fit above my bathroom sink. It takes those narrow based big bulb things. I found some that are not only expensive ( since I need 5) and only in cool white, but the circuitry section is hideous looking. Again, technology hasn't reached every lit corner yet.
So for an extra dollar of cost in led and electronics you can make a lamp lasting forever. Capacitor droppers are so cheap and reliable. No funny high freq regulation
that HF regulation is the kind of shit that was in CRT TV's where you could hear the TV running with the screen off, drove me up the wall. Those HF LED's in light bulbs give me migraines if i spend longer than 30-60 mins around the light or the bulb. I had to put incandescent vintage bulbs in my desk lamp because I was getting headaches for no reason all the time. I went through 6 computer monitors until I discovered it was the light bulbs in my lamp.
I have one of the little 1W ones here in the UK or something very very similar in a side lamp. It's always on, on an evening and has lasted almost 6 years now. It has 4 filaments
As an electronic technician I get excited when someone like
Clive dives deep into the circuity and can explain the nuances of the design. Yes watched the video and will rewatch specific segments. BTW there have been inventions that have been made to make our lives more cost efficient, sensible and better for the environment. The profit motive is more a motivation than to do the right thing.
"planned obsolescence"
Leave Twitter, it's teaching you poor English.
This would make a good BBC investigation - "LED light bulbs designed for shorter life use double the electricity ! " If Boris wants to hit his green targets he should get this fixed pronto.
BBC.... Fake news... No point!
What does watching BBC section of PornHub have anything to do with this?
@@zlac...haven't you heard... Child sacrifice fixes everything...
BBC - in need of children!
@@bobtee6466 His joke went over your head like a goddamn F/A-14.
To hell with the BBC
So basically the sheik demanded led lamps that actually have a lifespan that is equal to what the packaging says.
Smart guy...
My government should take notes
@@NikoBellaKhouf Statistically you're probably in a democracy, and democracies can't do these sorts of things. Once there area lot of people who are making the decision - or more precisely, a lot of people who can say "no" - corporate influence becomes a lot easier to establish. Of course, it is very easy to see other benefits that can outweigh that :D
@@Ithirahad you're right, I'm in the US, which is supposed to be a republic, but it hasn't felt like one for a long time. I really believe in the Constitution that we learned about in school. If our politicians stuck to that, we'd be much better off.
@@Ithirahad democracy can easily do that, just like the democratic eu banned tungsten lightbulbs and made led obligatory the can make demands on the lifespan., it doesnt take more then the political will to do so.
@@Ithirahad i mean democracy can very much do that
The us of a has just become the carrot republic and since it's the "hallmark of democracy" everybody else follows in it's example, corrupt weeds in suits that get paid to let big companies abuse the population without repercussions and all
I remember when LED Bulbs first came out they were $20/each. My brother lives in Seattle Washington and they subsidized the LED bulbs so they only cost $4 each. I had my brother buy me a case of bulbs and ship them to me in Alabama. Saved myself a ton of money.
Love that they subsidize them here in Washington. I really like the warmer hues of LED bulbs and I've been installing them as my incandescent ones fail.
@@mushiat6530They certainly don't subsidize WA LEDs if you're in Home Depot. That place will charge you $10/bulb.
I bought 6 generic led bulbs 10 years ago (about 15-20$ each) (in comparasion normal 75-100W bulb cost maybe 1-1,5$ in my country) only one led bulb stopped working (flickering)
This should be available everywhere!
If it is a good product, China is probably trying to manufacture & sell their own knock off copy.
@@Urbicide yeah philips is gonna loose out on the market then. China already copies loads of stuff and provides cheaper alternatives. Just really depends on the quality. But seeing this, china will definitely win on this.
@@HardDiskLover the knock off won't be as efficient
@@Urbicide I hope they are
@@QLTD at first no. But that's the thing with china electronics. Quality gradually increases, depending on good of a seller the item becomes.
Reverse engineering a restricted-use, patented Super-efficient electronic circuit. Wow, I feel privileged. The design of the circuit is interesting to me in that (as far as I can remember)... The optimum running spectrum for Audio Equipment was taught to me as 55-78% of the maximum (where the 'maxumum' is still clipped at 98% for safety reasons). ...yes I know this is a lighting circuit! But it seems to be designed to run every part of its circuit inside that optimum. Which basically means taking advantage of the best running scenario of every single component. Which results in the best efficiency possible, the least strain on each component, the most stable condition possible for every component, resulting in a more reliable, more predictable, longer lasting device. That's space-age NASA design spec quality. Amazing that someone commissioned that kind of care in such a common use device. It just goes to prove, what amazing advances are actually possible RIGHT NOW. ...and makes it glaringly obvious why that kind of advancement has been held back worldwide. (Which I suspect is what the Sheikh was intending to show the world). ...of course, in the western world, I think we already knew it anyway, but seeing as most people just want a peaceful life, we just carry on and accept what we are allowed to accept, just because its easier. Maybe that's why we have globally environmental imbalance right now.
This man has a particular set of skills.
“I will find you..... and explain things to you in a way you can understand “
😏👏👍
I watched this video years ago and it set me thinking. I tried to buy these efficient and long lasting lamps in the US--forget it-- you can't find them anywhere. So I made one instead. I didn't go with the filament type. I used the type that has a "light dome" on top of the non-lit part. I got mine from Dollar Tree. I removed the light dome and examined the circuit board. I found a "current sense" resistor that carries the current going to the LEDs and it's voltage drop is fed to the linear current regulator IC. I removed this resistor and soldered in one with twice the resistance. It will have enough voltage drop to tell the IC to "back off" at half the current. So instead of the lamp running at 60 mA and hot enough to burn skin, it now ran at 30 mA and was only hot to the touch but not burning. The drop in brightness was barely noticeable. I experimented with different resistors, and found I could run them at 15 mA and they were only barely warm. Not bright enough though. Since these bulbs only come with 11 surface-mount 3-chip LEDs, I can't achieve the efficiency of the Dubai lamps, at least for ordinary uses. There is one place I have actually exceeded the efficiency of the Dubai lamp! I am an ammature astronomer, and hate having my porch light killing my night vision, but I want to be able to see the steps. So I modified a bulb to run at 2 mA! The brightness did not drop as much as I expected. I would guess it to be about 100 lumens. Voltage times current equals watts, so 120 x 0.002 = 0.24 watts. That means I am getting about 400 lumens per watt! The trade-off is the size of the bulb, compared with the amount of light it gives. So far (3 years later) I have not had to replace ANY of the modified bulbs, except for the ones whose LED's I scratched with the knife as I removed the light dome. This let moisture into the LED, and it failed, opening the circuit so none of the LEDs would light.
Again, thanks for making this Dubai lamp video. It opened up new possibilities for me. I should make a video showing how I modify my lamps. if you know basic electronics and can use a soldering iron (it actually takes 2 to remove a surface mount resistor) you can do this. When you get good, you can do a bulb in 10 minutes and the cost of the replacement axial-leaded resistor is only about 5 cents.
I made a few videos about "doobying" lights to make them last longer.
If you make one model and open a business a lot of poor countries specially in Latin america will love you forever.
it's crazy how simply these lamps double efficiency and run at crazy low wattages. I mean of course people like to acknowledge that lightbulb companies scam us sure but like holy heck i'd never expect it to be this blatant.
They formed a cabal and made agreements to screw us over which is somewhat common knowledge. That’s about as blatant as it gets.
Bc these aren't economically viable. The Dubai kings pay subsidies for them
It's not crazy. Unless it's your first time finding out. It's been already known filament and fluorescent lamps could have ran at higher efficiencies. Then came along LED which ups this even more. I think it'll be really crazy to discover what the efficiency limit is - possibly even more than the "double efficiency" shown here.
@@BoleDaPole These are easily economically viable if you calculate the actual cost of light, which most commerical customers do. Dumb consumer residential customers always prefer the absolute lowest cost per bulb, which will always put these at a disadvantage.
We used to call this "planned obsolescence". And they still would if the truth was anything people spoke any more.
People still call it that
@@holopeve And the amount of people I meet that haven't heard of the term is appalling.
Didn't smartphone manufacturers get nailed with a massive suit in the States over designed/planned obsolescence? I wonder what the legality is for other consumer products after seeing this
@SIMP MASTER⁶⁹ same. i remember in 2011, using an intel celeron laptop, a bit slow on windows but as soon as you put ubuntu on it, it became klightning fast. nowadays, it doesn't make as much of a speed difference unfortunately.
dude thinks he speaks "the truth" because he's heard the term planned obsolescence lmao
who would have ever guessed we're all getting screwed on hot running junk bulbs. I could never have figured that out :))
Light bulbs have been that way for decades. Many original Edison bulbs are still running in museums today.
@@yehudagoldberg6400 ''Original'' LOL thanks for the laugh.
Use dimmable LEDs and add a dimmer switch to them.
@@dcculver2 no, use capacitor dropper and a double or triple switch (or whatever you want). Don't know if all lamps support this though. Typical values for caps are 0.1 uF for very dim light to 0.3 uF for medium brightness, the voltage over cap usually does not exceed 100VAC.
In the US you could buy 130v incandescent bulbs and they would last a decade if not longer. The filament was more substantial and could handle 130v. By running it on a standard 120v it wasn’t being worked as hard and therefore lasting longer. Any garage bulb or rough duty bulb was 130v because they could handle vibrations better too.
I ordered 2.5w bulbs after watching this. They're a little dim, probably should have ordered something in a cooler light instead of the warmer spectrum but i feel far less guilty leaving the lights on in my living room. I think its 10w total now! Far better then the 52w that was there when we bought the place.
I have no interest in lamps, i have no background in electric engineering, i am not a scientist, but god damn i watched every second of this video
No interest in lamps? You absolute mad lad.
Agret hahaha
Would you say this video was,
e n l i g h t e n i n g, then?
@@Battlefield1365 no, but it was compelling
@@Battlefield1365😅
RUclips algorithm at 2:30am: "Hey, you wanna learn about LED lamps from Dubai?" me: "Heck yes I do!"
lol, 1am here, what can i say
lol 2:31 am when i read this comment
2:34 am when read that comments
@@devsati4311 Same here.
3:01 am
I'd like to see that label on everything. "Warning: this circuit board contains spicy voltages"
I worked a few years repairing automotive test equipment. An instructor when I first started said this about ignition coils... And in particular he was talking about GM's C3I or computer controlled ignition. "Guys... Back in the day of points and condensers and secondary voltages in the 12KV range, the old timers would lean across the fender with their pecker grounded and grab the coil wire to see if the coil was working... If they got an erection the coil was good. Then GM came out with their HEI (High Energy Ignition) in the 20-30 KV range and they found their erection wouldn't go down for a week. Now guys... With C3I do not use this coil test. Because, the 100KV spark will put you in the ground!" Yeah... 'spicy voltage' is a euphemism for healthy (aka deadly or at least respect deserving) doses of good ole EMF. Perhaps a warning that says "Do not perform a pecker test on this circuit!" :)-(:
@@scottdebruyn7038 I'm sorry what the fuck
@@scottdebruyn7038 bro what tf
@@karlobrutalo425 Sorry... That's what the instructor said. I thought it funny as hell and 30 years down the road it still reminds me not to get between 'spicy' voltages and ground! :)
@@scottdebruyn7038 🙄
The way you rolled the R for محمّد بن راشد المكتوم was perfect and I prefer that pronounciation lmao
I have no idea how this video got on my feed but I watched the whole thing and it was very cool , interesting , entertaining ....... ☺
its more efficient, last longer, and its brighter, can't sell that, the accountants would poop a brick.
Wonder how much Dubai paid Philips to allow them to design out their "planned obsolescence?"
@@moietvous6932 Give me a break. How do you account for the widespread availability of oh... I dunno.. ALL LED BULBS?!??? With 15 year lifetimes obviously impacting their filament bulb sales. YET HERE WE ARE. CONSPIRACY DISPROVEN.
Tons of companies went out of business in like the 1960's to 1990's because their products were too good. There was a company that made kitchen towels and drying cloths, but they lasted forever (+50 years). So when my mom moved out of my grandparents house she got a set of those towels. 50 year later those towels are still good, they have been used and washed so many times. So yeah now they make shit products so you have to keep buying them.
So sad that genuine innovation is restricted by greed, we could have upgradable phones, replaceable batteries, long life bulbs (real ones) the constant "you must buy new and improved"
This is true. I have said this for years. Imagine the innovation if there was actually free markets not being regulated by money and politics
If only we could get rid of capitalism. CoughSarcasmcough
We would have them if there was any interest for them. This is classic myth of tinhatters, that everything is due to the greedy companies. Nope. Customers do not want them. There is no reason to make any upgradable phone with easily replaceable battery when after a short time customer wants to buy a new one. And he wants it slim and light and fairly cheap compared to other manufacturer - thus why bother with more expensive designs?
I have 1 phone while others have changed theirs already at least twice.
@@TheChiz18 government regulation isn't stifling innovation. Companies only do what's profitable. Nobody wants to try new things if they think it won't make them money.
If money wasn't an issue people would keep innovating without worry.
@@mungo7136 No offense, but the logic you're using there is absolute nonsense. The idea that profit drives corporate descisions isn't a tinhatter myth, it's mainstream economics and business. It may very well be true that most consumers don't care about having removable batteries; that is not evidence that manufacturers aren't basing their descision on profitability, rather than consumer preference.
The simple reality is that businesses exist to make money for their shareholders. They will do whatever maximizes return. Obviously, what consumers actually want is a factor in that equation; if consumers really wanted removable batteries so badly that sales would suffer from not providing it, they would change their practices -- but only if lost sales totalled more than the money saved on manufacturing costs. If people preferred removable batteries, or didn't have a preference -- but would still buy something without one if it wasn't available, that's what manufacturers are going to do. That is the situation we're in.
There are many arguments to be made in favor of the current system, especially its economy of scale, but calling its objectors crazy conspiracy theorists is not one of them. It's about the money, honey; the only question is whether that's a good thing or bad.
You are probably aware of this, but on the efixx channel very recently they looked at several lamps and the Philips lamp is now available in the UK. They also have an efficiency that puts them in the A band of the new energy rating scheme, whereas lamps of bargain basement makes now can have an efficiency half as much and would be rated F under the new scale.
Nope, count the filaments, look at wattage and light output. Still worlds apart.
They're only slightly better to get the new "A+" rating, and priced in such a way they're not loosing profit with the small increase in longevity.
The lamps that you were mentioning have double the LED strips as the older ones but they're still half the ones if you compare to the ones sold in dubai
Life pro tip: if you want to assess CRI (colour rendering index) on your own without any special equipment, use the blank side of a CD or DVD. Shine the light onto the CD at an oblique angle, and observe the rainbow reflection. The closer to a perfect rainbow the reflection is, the higher the CRI will be. If you see two, three our four discrete reflections in red, green, blue or violet, the CRI will be very low. "Average" lamps will be somewhere in between those extremes.
When you say rainbow I think you mean prism, a rainbow is a curved one of these outside.
@@nathanchowdry6599 I think they meant exactly what they said. A prism is "A 3-dimensional shape with two identical shapes facing each other.".
The ceilings are so high in Dubai that they don’t want to have to change the light bulbs..... simple economics
Please try running them at peak current for a second.
I'd like to know if that one lamp can light half of a house (hopefully not on fire)
Likely would be just fine short term, those filaments are pretty dense though so heat will kill them quickly.
As Clive said, repeatedly, the high efficiency comes from underrunning them, an increase in power by 4X would only increase the light output by 2X, roughly. That is you could run the 3 watt bulb at 12 watt, but the light output would be similar to most generic 12 W filament bulbs, or two of those 3 W Dubai bulbs.
600 lumens out of 3w is Crazy. that's 200 lm/W. your typical LED bulb will draw about 8-9 watts and put out 750-800 lumens, or 80-110 lm/W
It's genius, really. They sell shoddy lamps all over the world with an intentionally short lifespan, and then one country has long-lasting lamps and everyone wants those instead so they rush out and replace all the working lamps they've already bought
They did the same with CDs. Go out and buy the perfect sound......
you can get similiar, non philips ones everywhere
@@tubaeseries5705 do you have amazon link im really intrested
And get to rook the people at $9.50 US each.
@@gravelydon7072 maybe in usa, in Europe you can normally buy them, for like 2 euro each, even philips ones are avaiable
I live in Dubai. These bulbs are very common and are available everywhere much cheaper than £5. Dragon Mart has copies already on the shelves. 🤣
Make an eBay listing
There's a chain of stores in Dubai called "Dragon Mart" ???
yes make ebay listings. i would like to purchase these bulbs.
@@Echelon513 it's a giant super unorganised shopping mall. A literal maze of tiny shops packed to the rafters with everything you can think of. Mostly stuff from the Asian continent, hence the name.
@@SJohnM81 oh please let there be video of this place... 🙂 brb
Great, now I need something I can't have that I didn't know existed a half hour ago. How long is the plane ride to Dubai?!
They should sell "commercial" grade LED replacements that run at low temp and are more efficient but cost more - just like they used to do with the "rough service" 60w bulbs that were rated at 130v in the US.
Trouble is, unlike these LEDs, 130 V incandescent lamps were even less efficient than 120 V ones. If you run an incandescent lamp below its rated voltage, it'll last a lot longer but emit much less visible light. The spectrum goes even more towards infrared (i.e. heat).
@@Ragnar8504 Yes, I think we all understand how incandescent bulbs work, that's not the point. You could also buy 100w bulbs like that if you needed more light. The point is there should be a version that actually last the 30,000+ hours they claim (if not 100,000 hours!) for commercial users at a higher cost. As a landlord who has to change a lot of lightbulbs I would be willing to pay 5x as much for a 4w 800 lumen bulb that actually lasts! It's not just about light output, some bulbs can be very expensive to have changed. I don't feel like current LED replacements last much longer than an old incandescent in real life.
Also, we've been at around 100 lumens/watt for like a decade now, with almost no improvement in the standard "60w" LED. Even the dollar store sells them, why isn't there a $10 LED bulb? Maybe 200 lumens is asking for a bit much, how about 150?
Seems totally reasonable for commercial/higher end consumer applications. Cost more to produce but I think there would be more than enough market for it...
Really I just want a bulb that runs the chips within spec instead of roasting them!
As in traffic signal lamps & antenna tower warning lamps.
Super awesome video. Im a student and a member of ieee, and i want to make a led light project with lower than spec amperage, to make ultra-efficient light fixtures. Thank you for the inspiration.
Wow! 0.1watt! It’s a real shame they don’t sell these outside of Dubai. They appear to be designed and built really well, obviously ultra efficient, and presumably because they don’t get hot, they will last for ages.
Agree
Don’t forget, they cost $10, Each!
@@nelsondog100 So did early CFLs and LEDs. At least these will well outlast those (I was an early adopter of both technologies).
They won't get hot *inside* in an air conditioned building. Outside or in a utility setting is another matter. I wonder how hot they have to get to reduce lifespan and whether the probability of fast failure in non air conditioned locations is one (the main?) reason Philips makes these for a desert country.
@@yetanotherstronk was thinking the same, could not have said it better
Why google recommended this to me?
Why am I here?
And why did I just watched 32 minutes of something I don't understand at all?
It's trying to make you smarter, keep watching you'll get there.
Lack of understanding = education
@@georgestyer2153 calm down kiddo
@@robertstewart4953 They definitely weren't saying that to you lmao
@@aslipperysnake wut?
I work for an electrical distributor and our documentation always states an “end of life” LED is when it drops below 70% light output. We mostly sell a brand named Satco, which is a brand owned by Phillips and they have overall been good bulbs that have lived up to their 5 year/50,000 hr warranties, that being said, they underrun more LEDs in their products to make them last longer. When a contractor installs 400 bulbs in a warehouse and they all gradually decline to 70% output over 5 years, it’s not even noticeable until the bulb is replaced by a fresh, new one and the output soars from 700 lumens up to 1000 again. So yeah, I’ve been very impressed with the quality of LEDs of some brands over others... RAB and Satco have been going strong with excellent customer satisfaction versus the economical grades people have been buying at box stores and having regret after 6 months.
Very interesting, that effectively means that for most people in most applications, the max lifespan of an LED bulb is double its manufacturer rating. Remember, most people probably don't know that theoretically the "proper" way for an LED to die is to dim itself out of usability. Most people probably wouldn't notice if their dual 60 watt equivalents are only displaying 84 watts, if they had 4 bulbs in a fixture it would probably be nearly double its rated lifespan before people realized it wasn't just their imagination that went dimmer. I'm sure the PSU fails before the LEDs usually, so would a premature failure be "normal" in a weird way?
I always hated how easily LED lamps "burn out". Like, out of nowhere they start to flicker, jump from bright to dim every 30 seconds, etc...
I feel like I've swapped more LED lamps already than any other kind of lamp. That *can't* be good for the environment.
My crush: likes bad boys*
Me: "Wanna see the most illegal thing I own?"
Pre-pandemic, a friend and I used to do border trades of out-of-county Girl Scout Cookies, and I'd resell them at-cost, black-market, to the most vanilla people you can imagine, who'd just get a thrill that they were party to subversion.
(For those not in the know, in the States, GSA sells several cookie varieties this time of year, but you're only be able to buy and sell a subset of them in your own county. For example in California, Caramel Chocolate Chip and Lemonades are a hot commodity in LA county because you can't get 'em there, but you *can* get them in Orange county. The opposite holds for the uncoated variety of GS 'Smores, and Do-si-dos in LA county. Since sales are almost always community, out-of-county varieties are hard to get unless you're committed to finding kids selling them on the street thirty miles from your house. Most people aren't because, well, you know, it's creepy.
You'd be surprised how few people are willing to engage in border trades. GSA corporate frowns on the practice so much that any GS parent caught doing it will get their kid's charter revoked or their kid kicked out of the troop.)
@@michaelz6555 Wow... Just wow.
@@robertstewart4953 America: A supposed land of plenty that's ruled by kings and lieges of artificial scarcity.
@@ropersonline Well said Comrade. Where do we start?
@@robertstewart4953 Start what?
As a boy, I used to love taking things apart to see what makes them tick. Watching this was like revisiting my childhood, except you were able to put it back together again. The level of engineering that goes into even the most ordinary things never ceases to astound me. This was an absolutely fascinating video.
Without electricity, our entire civilization would crumble.
I can relate so much on the inability to put things back together part.
I used to as well My favourites were hifi systems and DVD/tape player combos. So much in them and that was old tech!
Then we'll crumble soon.
yep. i still remember attaching nails to transformers in water to produce rust to try to make thermite.
i wouldn’t say the electricity thing like that. that makes it seem like electricity is some great invention. it’s not. it’s a natural product of life. we just harness it for our uses. we physically make it 24/7.
Just imagine if everybody changes to these Super-Duper Eco LED bulbs, how much electricity, heat, time and money the world would save. Thanks for sharing that video! I believe more attention is required by other big companies and manufacturers to keep the competition up and the advancements in technology at their best.
Impressive as they are the savings are not that great. Most energy demand is for heating homes (or cooling with air-conditioning). Most domestic consumers would hardly notice any savings on their electricity bill. More important for consumers is that they need to last as long as they claim for the environmental pay back. If they are like the crap ones like I had then they are a larger environmental cost.
@@jamescaley9942 I mean needing to produce less lamps does decrease the total energy and time the world does save, but not from a consumer standpoint no.
But ideally, this'd apply to all products, not just lamps
If you actually care about saving resources, I would be more concerned about modern "smart" appliances having a stand-by mode that continually waste up to 10w of power when "off". An Led light that uses a few watts less than average is nothing compared to this.
@@jamescaley9942 Scale the efficiency gains up to say 10 billion bulbs which is an extremely reasonable number, all of a sudden the numbers start to make some real sense.
This is why I hate capitalism; everyone can't have the most-efficient stuff even when a production method is known and in use in at least one place.
Under running LEDs! YES! This is why I buy bare LED panels and build my own capacitor dropper circuits for them running ~8-9W instead of the intended 24W. Powerful enough to lit up our small rooms and will last forever. Thank you Clive for investigating this lamp, never heard of it before!
but why would you use cap droppers? get an LED driver (couple euro/pounds/dollars) with whatever constant current you want (or you can alter it yourself, it's just a single resistor most of the time). I run 5730 at around 90mA.
@@stanimir4197 Because I learned to build only that type and am certainly lacking the understanding of those constant current drives. You say I could simply modify a 300mA CC drive to become a say, 200mA? What happens with the voltage? I mean, 300mA CC, why is there a spec of voltage when I buy it? Can I go outside of that spec? See, I did not figure these out, I have a lot of capacitor dropper circuit components, I just build them.
@@Sekir80 well, almost certainly you can modify 300mA to become less. The current is usually given by some resistor, even in the schematic shown here, it holds true.
About the voltage - that's the entire idea of the Constant Current driver, it modifies the voltage to keep the current constant. For LEDs it will drop the voltage (and resp the forward voltage) - keep in mind the forward current depends on the forward voltage.
@@Sekir80 Just an example of cheap but decent (and isolated) LED driver, and you can get 200mA one: www.aliexpress.com/item/32807109097.html
Alternatively you can buy name brand like Meanwell LED drivers that would match your spec.
Use dimmable LEDs and add a dimmer switch to them.
Cant we create a petition with the EU, asking for an extra label or another energy plus A++ for these efficient and durable lamps?
reminds me that I always wanted to google who came up with that really bad idea of labeling energy efficiency in reverse alphabetical order, either totally not expecting to reach beyond A or not giving a shit, I mean, they had ONE JOB
@@Knokkelman I was wondering about this too, literally nothing in my electronics store has a B or smth. Just straight A's... Feels Orwellian.
New EU energy label for lighting is coming, starting September 2021. This has been in the works for years, petitioning time is over. The new A rating will be for lamps exceeding 210 Lm/W, putting these Dubai lamps into the B tier if they were to be released in EU.
Regulation authors didn't "not consider what comes after A" - instead these regulations are specifically created with the intention of being revised and amended as market conditions change. One can't possibly have the foresight to account for 40 years of technological development, and so the idea is to come together twice per decade or so to reconsider these labels again. A isn't enough? Alright let's add A+ & A++. Most new models can reach A++ already? Time for a new label.
No we should just move all currents ones to the worsr rating.
It's amazing that Dubai, as part of UAE, a country practically awash in money, was totally pushing for efficiency. Both short term and long term.
Heh just don't let Lou Dobbs find out about it
makes sense... they know oil will run out and have no interest in going back to the old days
Dubai is a world leader in carbon emissions per person. They aren't going to stop driving 6L V8's and Lamborghinis 'cos petrol is almost free, so fancy LED's are essential to save the polar bears of Dubai.
Yea but then they ensured noone else can have them. I wonder why an oil country would want to ensure they use as little oil as possible and make sure everyone else is less efficient
Well unlike the saids they recognize at some point the oil money will run out.
I really enjoyed the humorous monologue which shows your fascination with the subject. So many others would have made this video totally boring. Not you. I wish I had a teacher with these skills sixty years ago.
Lights with a bad colour spectrum won't show things more grey, they just drop out or overemphasize different colours. Even 'full spectrum' lights do it. So some colours basically disappear and others start to 'pop', resulting in weird effects.
I'm an artist and it's one of the banes of my life. It also means it's basically impossible to work at night and during the day on the same piece. You have to separate things otherwise you just end up in an infinite cycle of 'correcting' things that suddenly look wrong.
Some companies advertise lights for artists and designers that are supposedly going to imitate daylight but they never do, at least not in my experience so far.
I'm absolutely on the "colour rendering" thing. CRI 80 isn't good enough. CRI 94-95 is getting there.
The Philips ExpertColor lamps (available in GU10 spots) are CRI 95-ish, and are not bad (get the "927" = 2700K version).
Otherwise, get yourself a stock of "banned" old-school halogen filament lamps!
@@andrews7517 thanks for the tip, I'll give them a go. I gave up on them a few years ago so maybe there's been some improvement since.
The new lights are very efficient at making everything ugly
@@andrews7517 Yuji also makes LED bulbs with a CRI of 95+.
@@andrews7517 The "92 CRI" Soraas do well.
I love it when he goes 'One Monment Please' because it means it about to get really damn interesting
"Edison bulbs" arrived with long lives in the first metal filaments, and then they realized what they'd done, and raised the voltage standard. There's a light bulb that was installed in a fire station I believe in New Jersey, that is still burning today, well over a hundred years later. The first "nylons" produced didn't wear out, but that was immediately changed.
Yes they held a birthday party for the bulb and the website upload every 15 second to take a picture of the bulb.
Company who made durable products will only sell their products once to each customer and then go bankrupt. Other company learn that fact very fast now we all has to keep buying products that will fail after their warranty period lapsed.
Edisons original light bulb is in the Henry Ford museum in Michigan. Still works. They have it hooked to a hand crank so you can wind it up
@@TaigiTWeseFormosanDiplomat i bed it could be changed within that time. Also, they could put out 1 pic more times to get more time to change it. I cant believe ppl really believe this crap
Fire station in Livermore CA
Thank you for using the video description as an actual informative information source!
Over the last 2 decades I've really put focus on efficiency in every aspect of life. I now leave about 75% less footprint with no added inconveniences. It all started with more efficient light bulbs.
any advice on how to achive all that?
Good little citizen, you make the State very happy
@@Yanate1991 I'm not sure about the state but I know I make your mom really happy.
@@davidcobra1735 Most people don't use natural lighting period. It doesn't light as well as electricity. Walk into your local barber shop with big windows out front letting all the daylight in...they still run lights on. Most people in homes shut out the light from Windows because it heats up the house then you have to run the A.C. Every time I see one of those all glass buildings that are supposed to be "green" it's just a joke. Glass doesn't insulate at all compared to solid wall. All these glass buildings are getting overheated in the summer and frozen cold in the winter. They are spending way more money on heating and cooling due to all the glass while still using electricity for lighting.
@@XDWX I should have just stopped reading at your first sentence. I knew it but I seem to never take my own advice.
All I have to say in response is OK.
The same was available in NZ years ago (early 90s?) with incandescent bulbs. They were filament bulbs rated at 260V (we use a 220-240V supply) - Called The Mazda Wonder Light. They would last forever, and sold as such. Years later (late 90s until LED avail), and after Mazdas were no longer available, they made them under rated on purpose, so they burn out in less than a year. Pre 90s, 80s and earlier a bulb would last many years, and in many documented cases - many decades.
But they also gave much less light.
@@okaro6595 Still adequate for their application though, which makes them overall better than what followed after them.
No such thing as a “bulb that lasts forever”. it’d be too dim to see anything but the bulb itself.
Except underpowered filaments have very very very low efficiency. They consume more electricity for the same light, so cost you more in the end.
Underpowered led are the opposite : very high efficiency.
I know nothing about electronics - but Clive’s presentation made me sit through the entire thing, including the circuit diagram... thank you.
You can now get these bulbs - or something very comparable - from Philips in the UK. Initially the ones I found were all clear glass, E27 base and seemed to be cold or cool white, but I've started finding some B22 recently, frosted versions and warmer whites. Still no dimmable versons. I can see these being a great bulb for situations like garden lights that are left on all night, or hospitality where lobbys and halls are lit all night in hotels. Since they're not dimmable I can't use many of them around my house, but maybe that will change in the future.
"Lamp seller... I'm going into battle. And I need your strongest light bulb!"
"You can't have MY lamps traveller... They're too long-lasting for you."
Ah shet this is literally quality meme comment. Not many know of this
Tag a mate
Thank you
@@FlamingToaster interesting
Any time an Architect is miffed, an Engineer somewhere smiles.
As a lighting engineer I always enjoyed showing an Architect how I could screw with his wall colors by changing the color temp and CRI of my lamps.
@@curtw8827 you're doing God's work friend.
@@curtw8827 so evil... love it.
Agreed. Architects were the bane of much of my working life.
@@curtw8827 And in the end, we working in property maintenance will get the last laugh by putting in whatever happens to be in stock once the original breaks. College hallways look lot less boring when you use a random selection of 2700K to 6500K lamps as replacements.
when its 50 degrees Celsius outside, you want light without heat. Makes sense Dubai would invest coz every watt of heat is an extra watt or more of air conditioning.
I think this is less about heat though, and just more about bulb replacement. Dubai uses a lot of lights, and especially lights in places that are hard to get to. They'll save just by having to send crews out less often to replace lights. I mean imagine you need to replace bulbs in a skyscraper. I guarantee that at any given moment in a large building, someone is replacing a bulb. I think they could have gone even smarter though, because there's way to make lights that last pretty much forever. So if they were smart, they would have gone with bulbs that would be guaranteed to last 100 years. Even if it was 50 dollars a bulb, they'd save huge.
And when it's -30°C here in northern Europe, light with heat would be nice but those are banned by EU.
@@Tepadj you think it's a good idea to heat your home with electricity through lighting?
@@Tepadj Are you talking about those extremely inefficient incandescent bulbs? If yes than no, they're not "banned", just being phased out basically everywhere in the world (maybe except Russia lol). You can still buy them, but why?
In the desert it is not so hot at night. It can get as low as 10 degrees celsius by the morning.
It seems that Philips started selling something like these over here in Indonesia. They are advertised as having 200 lm/W, last 50000 hrs / 50 years, and the picture shows it has many filaments. It's priced at slightly more than 2x of "standard" LED lamps of equivalent brightness.
clive: what are you in for?
criminal: i killed a family of 8 what about you?
clive: i owned illegal light bulbs
HA i own hundreds of illegal light bulbs
I'm in for stealing cable TV.
Only in UK: Oi, do you have a loicense?
over-running LEDs is the dark secret of the industry.
I keep having this discussion with customers who insist that "Watts output for Money Input" is all that matters.
People are obsessed with light output even when they don't need it.
@@tomstickland I have seen comments like this before, what precisely do you mean ? I use lighting to see with when it is dark, what do you use them for ?
@@CrimeVid Jeevons paradox - when something becomes more efficient then people use more of it. Because LED lighting can produce bright light more efficiently then people are installing more of them, too bright for the requirements and leaving them on when not needed. This particularly applied to high colour temperature lighting. Light pollution is a growing issue, it affects health and wildlife. Best practice calls for ALARA - as low as reasonably achievable.
@@tomstickland Studies have shown a 65-year-old may need up to 15 times as much light to read as a 10-year-old. The amount of light you need depends on your age and eyesight. At 72 I love the new LED bulbs in daylight - can see much better and don't get depressed in winter.
@@tedrice1026 Exactly right, at 52 I can hardly see shit... need magnifier to read almost everything
Cool seeing you breakdown something that is so overbuilt in a good way rather than all the poorly designed chinese stuff. Don't get me wrong I like those too but this gave a very good contrast in quality of circuit design.
Overbuilt? Parallel caps adds capacity, quadrupling caps increases the chance of misplacement and placing a bad component and manufacture time, which aren’t good things.
That’s the kind of crap one pulls when space is more at a premium than assembly/QC-time and reliability.
Warm reminds northerners of fireplaces and fire, which makes one feel cozy in cold weather places.
The way he said "could this be a voltage regulator?" had very strong "ooh, naughty!" vibes.
The docu-movie The Lightbulb Conspiracy (On RUclips when I watched it years ago) is absolutely validated by the actions of Phillips with these light bulbs. They all make shit designed to fail. No surprise really.
As long as we the consumers allow them to make inferior products designed to fail it's really in their best interest as far as short term profits go.
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Its actually pronounced محمد بن راشد آل مكتوم
ur welcome
What ... ? You do realize not everyone can read the Arabic alphabet right?
@@slifermobile That joke went right over your head, unless you're also joking, in which case kudos.
@@EuroRhodes if it's a joke then definitely went over my head 🤣
@@slifermobile It's so obvious but I am glad you can see it now :)
thank you
I knew a guy that brought bulbs from Europe back to Canada. The bulbs usually work at 240 volts in Europe. So when you supply them with half of that voltage they run for way longer. Depending on the bulb you buy you may need a socket converter so buy bulbs twice the brightness you need, supply them with half the power and there you go. Now the bulbs will last for 250000+ hours depending on cycling duty. 💡 😮
I have always been skeptical of the term "long life" as used to sell lamps in the UK. In my experience, they are not long life compared to the old filament lamps - the only advantage is the reduced current usage. I have even gone to the bother of discussing this with trading standards and I get the impression that manufacturers have free reign for now.
The non-filament ones usually last longer as they have more space for heatsink.
So finally a lamp that theoretically lasts as long as all other manufacturers claim on their packaging (but never comply) …
For example: *45 years* from commercial electric
I had a cheapo Great Value brand LED bulb make it nearly 9k hours in a outdoor fully enclosed light in Florida. It was rated at 10k hours. It ran 24/7 so maybe it lasted due to not being switched on/off. I imagine 10k hours is acheivable in a more ideal enviroment. Over all though, I would agree. The electronics inside seem to fail much sooner than the rating as most of mine start flickering.
@@Lunar_Capital morning
@@damonhowe6203
what about it
Yea, usu in fine print it say last x years* * at 3 hrs per day
Light bulbs are fascinating. They are a product that could last indefinitely consuming nearly no power, but they have developed to be consumable products just because no one wants to sell the good ones.
I barely understand the technical parts of your videos, but for some reason, I watch them all the way through.
The concept works in paradigms other than the LED world... Under-running and not pushing anything close to its limits - says all the Prius owners with 300+ thousand miles and going strong.
And all the GM V8 owners doing the same ;)
Yet I have a feeling that AAA is going to be making more tows than jumpstarts whenever a Toyota owner calls in, because whoever opted for gas instead of electric is buying in on the ‘company with the maintenance-free transmission, except it’s just CVT.
The king has pissed off architects royally. I like that!
Me Too
Me too those arrogant SOBs LOL
I missed that. The audio level is so lilting that I might have to turn on CC even if it blocks the content.
I've had many LED bulbs die, including Philips branded.
I usually rip them apart and every time it's been the driver that went bad and the LEDs still work fine.
So I guess this design that keeps the driver at cooler temps makes sense.
Same here, industrial stuff too. Makes me think Phoebus Cartel is up and running again.
Can we reuse the led? Maybe for diy projects?
Greetings from indonesia ❤️
@@alecto1550 it is very hard to desolder LEDs and not to destroy it. You will need pre heater for the plate. But we can always reuse a circuitboard with LEDs on it.
@@vadymvv even with hot air solder?
@@alecto1550 you may try, with solder fan you can preheat plate before desoldering.
they sell these at my walmart, in ohio. i literally bought one.
edit: i see this video is 3 years old. so maybe thats why?