As of April 2024, filling up a hydrogen fuel cell car in Los Angeles could cost around $200, which is similar to the price of $14.60 per gallon of gas. However, the price of hydrogen fuel in California has fluctuated, increasing from $15.97 per kilogram in July 2022 to $21.28 per kilogram in November 2022. In September 2023, California's largest hydrogen fuel supplier increased prices to $36 per kilogram at all 37 of its filling stations.
@@danielstehura9657…..maybe, like electricity, the plan is for us to produce our own at home to fuel our hydrogen cars. I mean, what can possibly go wrong if we all ‘knocked up’ a large hydrogen tank on our property and started producing our own hydrogen and pumping it into our storage tanks under pressure so it’s ready to fill up our cars when needed….
I have one at the other side of town, by BP. Connected to grid of hydrogen pipelines. They only increase the pressure to 200, 500 or 700 atmosphere. Future proof enough, except for the ridiculous price per KG. Eventhough the Mirai is very comfortable and looks luxurious, its original price avoids it getting bought.
@@theenergizer248 I’ve seen one. Perhaps two hydrogen stations. Pay ten thousand, and sell it for five thousand after five years (or when the fuel card is empty) then it’s not too bad a deal. Otherwise, I think I have to agree with the poster who said the Fisker might be a better buy.
Every time I see this kind of deal from car companies, you know that they are doing it out of desperation to sell cars. Either it’s a government quota they’re not meeting or it’s a downturn in the economy. This is the first time I’ve ever heard it because of a secular belief in a technology.
I agree it seems a bit too late. I THINK I heard that if you replaced natural gas with H2 then it'd be much more feasible. So you'd be burning H2 at your house for cooking and heating as well. Then it's just a matter of having home gas line connects for cars.
Just half truth , so nope, but yes , under current fucked up model , that us backwards .. hydrogen to electrical , is a bit crazy ... They got h2 ICE s, which are much better value than this, abd EVs combined .. it's just , murica might be scared a bit .
@@SeanWork H2 in domestic gas lines will never be a thing. Burning H2 at home for cooking and heat would be the most inefficient way to use renewable energy ever.
Actually China does invest heavily in hydrogen truck tech as well, but it's not mass produced yet and that's for industrial heavy trucks that stops by at fixed locations
Hydrogen makes sense once they solve their energy requirement but China needs all the energy and many time more as it is than to waste energy on hydrogen conversion. It would be idiotic move when China is energy constrainted.
Scrap value maybe? Super expensive metals in the fuel cell, quite a nice battery pack in them (they still need batteries), a perfectly serviceable electric motor and transmission. You could convert it to an BEV! :)
@@mb-3faze that's actually a really good idea. You can buy refurbished battery packs for cheap. Install one of them where the fuel cell was (rip it out and sell it) and now you can drive the car around.
Same as paying $278/mo for gas but car is free. After three years just keep buying gas, only it's hydrogen, or scrap/sell. Even better deal if local 24/7 taxi, delivery using unlimited hydrogen for three years. Indefinite storage life for hydrogen as backup transportation, wrap up Hydrogen car and forget it; otherwise, gas goes stale/batteries drain unattended. Possibly contracted tech developed for use in continuity of military/government scenario in underground bunker to save bunker battery. Remote island. Far North. Any truly offgrid industry where there's no access to fossil fuel delivery or enough house batteries. DIY hydrogen. Repurpose powertrain base into truck, boat or forklift, aircar or generator.
@mikemotorbike4283 hydrogen is many times gas cost .this wouldn't go far even if you could refill it in my state which you can't so it is a non-starter
It’s over £64k in the UK….with no signs of free fuel or other incentives. There are 6 hydrogen fuel stations in the Uk, the nearest to me is 50 miles away. According to the Toyota website, the range of the Mirai is 300 miles. So, a third of my driving would be to go and fill up. Can’t see why this isn’t going to take over from EV’s 😂
Never forget that riding in a Toyota Mirai is riding in a bomb. The hydrogen is compressed to 10,000 PSI / 680 atmospheres. If one of the tanks were to rupture, kaboom!
We’re going to start seeing RUclipsrs buy these cars and V8 swap them or convert them to full Bev. Then they can use the free H2 to blow things up for huge view counts. Thank you Toyota!
I was thinking the same. Hydrogen cars already use a small battery to act as an electrical load buffer. Just rip out the hydrogen tanks and put in a bigger battery 😂
$10k is actually a pretty good deal. The problem is, are the refuelling stations going to stay open for the next five years? Is the cost of hydrogen going to explode again?
It only cost me $13 to charge a Tesla at home from empty. A 55 kw battery in a tesla model 3 Cost 55 x 0.24 cents = $13. A hydrogen car cost as much as $96 on an empty tank. The cost to fill up a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle (FCV) in California can vary, but as of mid-2024, it typically ranges from $12 to $16 per kilogram of hydrogen. Most hydrogen fuel cell vehicles have a tank capacity of about 5-6 kilograms. Therefore, filling up from empty would generally cost between $60 and $96. The exact price can depend on the specific hydrogen station and market conditions. And thats if the hydrogen station doesn't go out of business.
>>>As of 2023, there are 59 open retail hydrogen stations in the United States. Additionally, there are at least 50 stations in various stages of planning or construction.
VW a few years ago made an excellent PowerPoint that makes very clear why H2 FC EVs (which is what this is) don't work. The efficiency is extremely poor and you like BEVs its fuel also starts as electricity so what you are saying is that FC EVs are much more expensive.
Electric charging stations are about 3 to 4 miles apart in California, I assume it's very close to that in Florida. I have never even seen a hydrogen station in California. It takes Tesla about 1 week or less to install a electric charging station once the ground is broken, it takes about 12 to 20 months to build a multi million dollar hydrogen station that no one even wants in their neighborhood. Electric stations are usually in the corner of an existing parking lot or mall. 😂
For someone, retired, back and forth to the market. You live in L.A. and wait a few months when they totally firesale them for an additional 30% off. It would make sense.
There is only ONE refuelling place in Adelaide, S.A. Apparently on ten nationwide…. and the S.A. Govt. is investing massively in hydrogen w. Z tax payer dollars. Dumb. Just dumb.
I Think Toyotas Hydrogen car can be converted to steam at Jay Leno’s Garage! I saw a low mileage one for $7,000 great body! It just needs a corvette engine! I wish it could be converted to CNG! The new body is Really Nice! The 2017 So So Cheesy Japanesy! Hahaha
It's them putting Plasma TV on sale when LED is the way to go, it's them putting Walkman on sale when mp3 is the way to go, it's also them putting blue Ray dvd on sale while smartphone is the way to go😊
Plasma actually has better picture than LED, but because of laptops the LED tech became much cheaper. The same is happening to BEVs regarding batteries: battery technology evolved so much because of smartphones, that it’s now almost ready to replace ICE tech completely.
This is why no car should be taken serious jus because it has a high price tag. 65k for the limited trim and now Auto Trader selling them for 17k and below.
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A pressure vessel in every vehicle. That makes sense. Evs are vehicles with a different method of propulsion. Why all the angst. People will purchase the vehicle which meets their requirements.
Physics would suggest that any Hydrogen vehicle, regardless of future innovations etc. will always be more expensive to operate than a battery electric vehicle. The only reason any company would push that idea is pressure from the fossil fuel industry and because the management don't understand the efficiency limits associated with breaking the Carbon Hydrogen, or Hydrogen Oxygen bonds and then processing the Hydrogen for future use in a vehicle. Batteries will always be way more efficient. Therefore cheaper to operate... I am quite upset that J.C.B are going down that road, a good British company making a really stupid mistake!
You couldn't be more right about JCB. A catastrophic decision to go with hydrogen - and they intend to burn it! - not even using a fuel cell. If ever there was a class of vehicle so suited to battery EV technology, it's big, heavy, slow, reliable, easy to maintain dirt moving monsters.
@mb-3faze Especially that MWh class batteries are now a thing. The biggest I know about was something like 13MWh, used in a train, and that was a year or two ago. The smaller, few hundred kWh packs first used in heavy equipment failed miserably. Now that MWh sized packs are being used, they are performing phenomenally! There was even a semi class snow plow trial last year. I think it was in Norway. Notoriously hard usuage for a EV. Many previous trials failed, but now with a MWh class battery, it preformed amazingly well!
Uh the Japanese govt is stupid enough to pay Toyota money to keep developing hydrogen tech. If this wasn't happening I think even Toyota would have abandoned it.
@@svr5423 Seriously? Firstly fuel cells vehicles require batteries to provide the actual power to the motor(s) and the fuel cells is just used as a charger. Secondly, if you want expensive - try fuel cells! - more rare and expensive (and very easily contaminated) use in them.
Most FCEV are only available on lease with maintenance included in the package. However, the pressurised hydrogen cylinders fall under pressurised vessel regulations and need to be replaced after 10-15 years (varies by country) by law. The maximum warranty seems to be 10 years as well. No one knows what happens at that point as to whether its feasible or cost effective to replace such deeply integrated, near inaccessible and safety critical component.
yet they are selling hybrids quickly.....they arent wrong about EV for them, a business exists because they have a product people want, and many people EVs do not work for them.
@@baldisaerodynamic9692 you mean hydrogen? If EV is not for many people, then why would Toyota focuses and promotes hydrogen when it is a 10,000 time less popular than pure EV? This shows you don't understand what you said and just spilling Toyota's anti-EV stand.
This price should be available in Thailand. 364,210 baht is very cheap for a brand new big sedan. I think buyers can convert it into a fuel car or an EV too.
Viking, we will start testing Enhanced FSD once the University kids are back in school (September?) this fall, anyone can take part. Why don't you get your hands on a Tesla equipped with FSD to see how it competes?
I would have to drive 300 miles to my north or about 1000 miles to my south to reach a hydrogen refilling station. We have welding shops with hydrogen for sale. But that's it.
Why is very easy. As an EV user I can see the reason clearly - I live in a house with a drive and my own charger. Any charging outside of my home is dearer than fossil fuels. Many, many millions live in flats, apartments and houses with no possibility of accessing cheap electricity, indeed, even a charger at any cost frankly. So, hydrogen can be filled up elsewhere like petrol stations - it provides the portability that only diesel, petrol and lpg can. I dont think this is going to be a betamax vs vhs moment, a real alternative to EV's must be found.
We already have biofuels and now synfuels as alternatives. FEVs hit the market 10 years ago. Problem is that governments are not really interested in getting rid of fossil fuels. BEVs will be viable in a decade or so. With Megawatt DC chargers you can refill a 100KWH high performance battery* in around 5min-ish. Another solution will be to integrate a proper charger into the car itself (not just the toy thingy that stops at 22KW), then you can hook up the car to a medium voltage line via a pantograph. Or just reuse the existing railway network and add "sidings" for cars to drive under and recharge. Power grid has also to be improved. *to be developed
For a country the size of Australia, there are only 12 hydrogen refuelling stations either operating or under construction. I wouldn't waste time driving kilometres to refuel. Moreover, hydrogen is much more expensive than petrol.
I don't understand why Toyota keep improve the hydrogen car but ignore the hydrogen stations. It likes Kodak keep produce the camera but ignore to produce the film. Who's gonna buy???
Some of these automobile companies are glorified internal-combustion engine companies. I’m thinking of Honda, for example. Let’s see how many of these companies will be able to manage the transition to the new era of EVs operating in renewables-powered economies. I think a number of them will follow the examples of Nokia and Blackberry, incapable of managing change.
You are totally right about hydrogen in the next five years .... after that the worlds h2 infrastructure takes off for big industry : steel, shipping, aircraft, trains and cars will also then be highly viable especially large class 8 trucks which infrastructure is going in . So You again are Totally wrong about H2 in the long run. H2 is enormous in the industrial world see the Conference .
the car costs 25k. your monthly payments are based off of 25k. it costs you nothing extra to finance it the fuel voucher just means you have zero daily operational cost for up to 15k dollars. if you only use 5k of that fuel, then you arent getting a car for under 25k. you are still paying 25k for the car. however, this is a killer deal, IF, you live near a station to fill it up, and never leave the area, or your areas have easy available stations. the other problem.....whos gonna buy this used, or even want to take it in as a trade once the free fuel runs out? so is this really a good value when you run out of free fuel?
Toyota has been offering a $20k discount for at least the last 2 years. This pushed up sales. I suspect this latest 50% discount ($25k) may be just for Mirai in stock as Toyota might give up and stop production.
Hydrogen cars would make a great place to stay for homeless people. You would have to run an electrical cord to an electric heater when it gets cold, because hydrogen is too expensive and too unavailable to keep the tanks filled up.
They are now incentivising people who buy hydrogen cars. They offer a horse with free stabling, and hay for a year - which can pull your car around, in case you run out of hydrogen...it is so advanced, it has inbuilt sat-nav to take you home...
Is Toyota investing in Hydrogen Manufacturing and Distribution? Maybe they could be using the Cellular scheme of selling you the phone cheap and make it up on the back end?
Toyota is a lost cause. For some reason they are sticking with one version or other of an ICE engine. I work for Maersk in the US and I think we have the largest fleet of EV trucks. I feel bad for the Toyote fan boys who have to drive around in a POS
If you happen to live next to a Hydrogen station, it would make a great second car. If not, it's a an oversized paperweight. You have five years to regret buying it with that deal.
I happen to live only a few miles from one of the few hydrogen fueling stations in San Diego, California. Every time I drive by it, I look for signs of life. As far as I can tell, it's closed. No Mirai's to be seen. About 5 years ago it was fairly common to see one there filling up.
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Honestly, Toyota couldn't give me one. I live in regional WA and have no problem charging my EV at public chargers if I need to. There is literally a charger 300m down the road from me and another 45km away in the nearest major centre. But Hydrogen? Nah...I Googled and I Googled and I Googled. I can't find a place to fill up in the whole of Western Australia. Toyota are dreaming.
Its true Hydrogen is not looking good for cars but hydrogen allows you to turn cheap electricity into solid/liquid or gas fuels that can be put on ships and transported anywhere. Hydrogen allows cheap electricity to be turned into plastics ,fertilizers of fuels and put into storage for indefinite periods of time these are the reasons why hydrogen is not going away.
They got a tough hill to climb because you can’t even refill it. Hydrogen is a waste of money and it will continue to waste money for a lot of companies going forward
FCVs turn out to be "very inefficient - both in terms of efficiency and operating costs". - Depending on the model, the battery-powered e-car thus achieves an efficiency of between 70 to 80 percent." The hydrogen fuel cell requires 2-3 times more energy to drive the same distance" :Inside EVs
Hydrogen was never going to work. I noticed Sam has just started including hybrids in his "EV space" data that he discusses on these videos. He's never done that in the 2 years he has been the Electric Viking. Hybrids are outselling BEVs in several countries so it was only a matter of time before he had to acknowledge that fact. Geely in a joint venture with Renault are going to develop a range of small high tech IC engines for future hybrids. Geely is not stupid so hybrids may well become the dominant player in a few years.
This is a bargin, if the materials are more expensive! And, you can have a museums pice in the future. In Norway with all those EV's, you can only drive in the bus lane with hydrogen cars. I think you can get more money from nerds leasing, or been driven in a hydrogen car.
Hydrogen is just not suitable for consumer vehicles. Perhaps for commercial & heavy machinery, probably doable but that also depends on long term maintenance cost of hydrogen engine & fuel cells. EV is a no brainier when electricity is available everywhere that have development.
You will never be able to get that $15,000 in free fuel. You can't drive the car far enough to go on a long trip, a friend of mine has one and in Southern California he works near hydrogen station so he can use it for his very short commute That's about it. If this car were electric that would be maybe a thousand or $2,000 in charging cost. So really it's a $25,000 car and that's still way too much money.
No way Toyota could sell their hydrogen cars for $80,000 each in current volumes and make a profit. Even at $80,000 it is a subsidised project. $10,000 or $80,000 - either way it is big PR campaign, so the price is just whatever works best for their PR at the time.
"Fuel cell is fool's cell" SLAP! SLAP! That was a Elon slap to Toyoda. My take "Why build 2 to make 1?" Unless you are selling replacement parts, maintenance, expensive servicing cost. Talk is cheap and loss of integrity, diminishes the brand.
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As of April 2024, filling up a hydrogen fuel cell car in Los Angeles could cost around $200, which is similar to the price of $14.60 per gallon of gas. However, the price of hydrogen fuel in California has fluctuated, increasing from $15.97 per kilogram in July 2022 to $21.28 per kilogram in November 2022. In September 2023, California's largest hydrogen fuel supplier increased prices to $36 per kilogram at all 37 of its filling stations.
that 15k will run out preetty damn quick.
@@danielstehura9657…..maybe, like electricity, the plan is for us to produce our own at home to fuel our hydrogen cars. I mean, what can possibly go wrong if we all ‘knocked up’ a large hydrogen tank on our property and started producing our own hydrogen and pumping it into our storage tanks under pressure so it’s ready to fill up our cars when needed….
I've never seen any filling stations, so once the tank is empty it's possibly useless.
I have one at the other side of town, by BP.
Connected to grid of hydrogen pipelines.
They only increase the pressure to 200, 500 or 700 atmosphere.
Future proof enough, except for the ridiculous price per KG.
Eventhough the Mirai is very comfortable and looks luxurious, its original price avoids it getting bought.
@@theenergizer248 yep.
@@theenergizer248 I’ve seen one. Perhaps two hydrogen stations.
Pay ten thousand, and sell it for five thousand after five years (or when the fuel card is empty) then it’s not too bad a deal. Otherwise, I think I have to agree with the poster who said the Fisker might be a better buy.
Every time I see this kind of deal from car companies, you know that they are doing it out of desperation to sell cars. Either it’s a government quota they’re not meeting or it’s a downturn in the economy. This is the first time I’ve ever heard it because of a secular belief in a technology.
A Fisker is 10 times more useful...😅
both will be worth more as parts after bankruptcy!
Fisker is a beautiful POS
@@myphonyaccountFisker Ocean Parts are in Magna storage, spare parts are available
Last hydrogen filling station in Denmark closed last year. No one wants to reopen them.
Their is virtually NO INFRASTRUCTURE for hyrdogen vehicles and the cost of building one would cost $Trillions.
I agree it seems a bit too late. I THINK I heard that if you replaced natural gas with H2 then it'd be much more feasible. So you'd be burning H2 at your house for cooking and heating as well. Then it's just a matter of having home gas line connects for cars.
@@SeanWorkEV is only successful because it is cheaper to run.
H2 cannot be successful because it is more expensive to run them than petrol cars.
Just half truth , so nope, but yes , under current fucked up model , that us backwards .. hydrogen to electrical , is a bit crazy ... They got h2 ICE s, which are much better value than this, abd EVs combined .. it's just , murica might be scared a bit .
Infrastructure is missing. THis is why EVs are failing.
Would have bought one in 2017.
@@SeanWork H2 in domestic gas lines will never be a thing. Burning H2 at home for cooking and heat would be the most inefficient way to use renewable energy ever.
Actually China does invest heavily in hydrogen truck tech as well, but it's not mass produced yet and that's for industrial heavy trucks that stops by at fixed locations
Hydrogen makes sense once they solve their energy requirement but China needs all the energy and many time more as it is than to waste energy on hydrogen conversion. It would be idiotic move when China is energy constrainted.
Why pay 10k for a useless car
Scrap value maybe? Super expensive metals in the fuel cell, quite a nice battery pack in them (they still need batteries), a perfectly serviceable electric motor and transmission. You could convert it to an BEV! :)
Useless for some. Not for all.
@@mb-3faze that's actually a really good idea. You can buy refurbished battery packs for cheap. Install one of them where the fuel cell was (rip it out and sell it) and now you can drive the car around.
Same as paying $278/mo for gas but car is free. After three years just keep buying gas, only it's hydrogen, or scrap/sell. Even better deal if local 24/7 taxi, delivery using unlimited hydrogen for three years. Indefinite storage life for hydrogen as backup transportation, wrap up Hydrogen car and forget it; otherwise, gas goes stale/batteries drain unattended. Possibly contracted tech developed for use in continuity of military/government scenario in underground bunker to save bunker battery. Remote island. Far North. Any truly offgrid industry where there's no access to fossil fuel delivery or enough house batteries. DIY hydrogen. Repurpose powertrain base into truck, boat or forklift, aircar or generator.
@mikemotorbike4283 hydrogen is many times gas cost .this wouldn't go far even if you could refill it in my state which you can't so it is a non-starter
Last desperate throw of the dice - like Hitler's Battle of the Bulge..
It’s over £64k in the UK….with no signs of free fuel or other incentives.
There are 6 hydrogen fuel stations in the Uk, the nearest to me is 50 miles away.
According to the Toyota website, the range of the Mirai is 300 miles.
So, a third of my driving would be to go and fill up.
Can’t see why this isn’t going to take over from EV’s 😂
Never forget that riding in a Toyota Mirai is riding in a bomb. The hydrogen is compressed to 10,000 PSI / 680 atmospheres. If one of the tanks were to rupture, kaboom!
We’re going to start seeing RUclipsrs buy these cars and V8 swap them or convert them to full Bev. Then they can use the free H2 to blow things up for huge view counts. Thank you Toyota!
I was thinking the same. Hydrogen cars already use a small battery to act as an electrical load buffer. Just rip out the hydrogen tanks and put in a bigger battery 😂
That’s also what I was thinking.
Would still be a massive waste of money. A used EV would be a lot more capable.
Someone needs to make a BEV conversion kit.
Cheaper to buy a Model 3
$10k is actually a pretty good deal.
The problem is, are the refuelling stations going to stay open for the next five years?
Is the cost of hydrogen going to explode again?
It only cost me $13 to charge a Tesla at home from empty. A 55 kw battery in a tesla model 3
Cost 55 x 0.24 cents = $13. A hydrogen car cost as much as $96 on an empty tank.
The cost to fill up a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle (FCV) in California can vary, but as of mid-2024, it typically ranges from $12 to $16 per kilogram of hydrogen. Most hydrogen fuel cell vehicles have a tank capacity of about 5-6 kilograms. Therefore, filling up from empty would generally cost between $60 and $96. The exact price can depend on the specific hydrogen station and market conditions. And thats if the hydrogen station doesn't go out of business.
>>>As of 2023, there are 59 open retail hydrogen stations in the United States. Additionally, there are at least 50 stations in various stages of planning or construction.
Nikola is not selling any hydrogen trucks they are selling electric trucks
Nikola is selling hydrogen trucks. I work in the industry I see them fueling all the time 😅
Toyota Mirai in the Netherland still is €71.000, no discounts.
anyone daft enough to buy one..?
...it's a "fire sale"...probably apt for hydrogen.....
Hydrogen is not flammable...
Explosive interest...
VW a few years ago made an excellent PowerPoint that makes very clear why H2 FC EVs (which is what this is) don't work. The efficiency is extremely poor and you like BEVs its fuel also starts as electricity so what you are saying is that FC EVs are much more expensive.
Only 2 filling stations in Florida, both in the Orlando area.
What is the cost for fuel?
I'm living exactly between two hydrogen fueling stations and both are .... **drumroll** .... out of range.
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Electric charging stations are about 3 to 4 miles apart in California, I assume it's very close to that in Florida.
I have never even seen a hydrogen station in California. It takes Tesla about 1 week or less to install a electric charging station once the ground is broken, it takes about 12 to 20 months to build a multi million dollar hydrogen station that no one even wants in their neighborhood. Electric stations are usually in the corner of an existing parking lot or mall. 😂
Do these stations have a queue to fill hydrogen?
@@quantumeyes8546 I do not know, though there are not many hydrogen cars in the US.
For someone, retired, back and forth to the market. You live in L.A. and wait a few months when they totally firesale them for an additional 30% off. It would make sense.
There is only ONE refuelling place in Adelaide, S.A. Apparently on ten nationwide…. and the S.A. Govt. is investing massively in hydrogen w. Z tax payer dollars. Dumb. Just dumb.
I Think Toyotas Hydrogen car can be converted to steam at Jay Leno’s Garage! I saw a low mileage one for $7,000 great body! It just needs a corvette engine! I wish it could be converted to CNG! The new body is Really Nice! The 2017 So So Cheesy Japanesy! Hahaha
The greatest vehicle gimmick of all time.
It's them putting Plasma TV on sale when LED is the way to go, it's them putting Walkman on sale when mp3 is the way to go, it's also them putting blue Ray dvd on sale while smartphone is the way to go😊
Plasma actually has better picture than LED, but because of laptops the LED tech became much cheaper. The same is happening to BEVs regarding batteries: battery technology evolved so much because of smartphones, that it’s now almost ready to replace ICE tech completely.
This is why no car should be taken serious jus because it has a high price tag. 65k for the limited trim and now Auto Trader selling them for 17k and below.
Where can I get a H fill-up? it looks like the closet station is 3000 miles away
No worries Sam,
Toyota will make it up with volume production 🤓
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and?
I sure don't care if older adults are exposed to heat!
@@markcribb4917 That would be embarrassing for good people even in a confessional. I have prayed for all who encounter you, and for you.
A pressure vessel in every vehicle. That makes sense.
Evs are vehicles with a different method of propulsion. Why all the angst. People will purchase the vehicle which meets their requirements.
Closest hydrogen station to me is in Canada, about 10 hour drive plus crossing the border
Physics would suggest that any Hydrogen vehicle, regardless of future innovations etc. will always be more expensive to operate than a battery electric vehicle. The only reason any company would push that idea is pressure from the fossil fuel industry and because the management don't understand the efficiency limits associated with breaking the Carbon Hydrogen, or Hydrogen Oxygen bonds and then processing the Hydrogen for future use in a vehicle. Batteries will always be way more efficient. Therefore cheaper to operate... I am quite upset that J.C.B are going down that road, a good British company making a really stupid mistake!
You couldn't be more right about JCB. A catastrophic decision to go with hydrogen - and they intend to burn it! - not even using a fuel cell. If ever there was a class of vehicle so suited to battery EV technology, it's big, heavy, slow, reliable, easy to maintain dirt moving monsters.
@mb-3faze
Especially that MWh class batteries are now a thing.
The biggest I know about was something like 13MWh, used in a train, and that was a year or two ago.
The smaller, few hundred kWh packs first used in heavy equipment failed miserably. Now that MWh sized packs are being used, they are performing phenomenally!
There was even a semi class snow plow trial last year. I think it was in Norway. Notoriously hard usuage for a EV. Many previous trials failed, but now with a MWh class battery, it preformed amazingly well!
Uh the Japanese govt is stupid enough to pay Toyota money to keep developing hydrogen tech. If this wasn't happening I think even Toyota would have abandoned it.
batteries are expensive. And currently cannot replace Fuel Cells as a power source for EVs.
@@svr5423 Seriously? Firstly fuel cells vehicles require batteries to provide the actual power to the motor(s) and the fuel cells is just used as a charger. Secondly, if you want expensive - try fuel cells! - more rare and expensive (and very easily contaminated) use in them.
Good Luck in ever finding a place to fill them and be prepared to play 10 times the price of gas.
I have not head much about comparative maintenance costs of H2 cars ( including Mirai) vs a Camry for instance.
Most FCEV are only available on lease with maintenance included in the package. However, the pressurised hydrogen cylinders fall under pressurised vessel regulations and need to be replaced after 10-15 years (varies by country) by law. The maximum warranty seems to be 10 years as well. No one knows what happens at that point as to whether its feasible or cost effective to replace such deeply integrated, near inaccessible and safety critical component.
you have to visit the maintenance checking the high pressure system for leaks yearly
They can't give it away. Love to see it falling after all the shit Toyota is talking about EV.
yet they are selling hybrids quickly.....they arent wrong about EV for them, a business exists because they have a product people want, and many people EVs do not work for them.
@@baldisaerodynamic9692 you mean hydrogen? If EV is not for many people, then why would Toyota focuses and promotes hydrogen when it is a 10,000 time less popular than pure EV? This shows you don't understand what you said and just spilling Toyota's anti-EV stand.
EV works. Hybrid will go away. They are slow.
@@baldisaerodynamic9692 hydrogen doesn't work. Can't wait till we see the bankruptcy.
You like to see EVs fail?
This price should be available in Thailand. 364,210 baht is very cheap for a brand new big sedan. I think buyers can convert it into a fuel car or an EV too.
Those annoying laws of physics. It's depressing, Toyota have made some brilliant cars. I cannot understand what their engineers were thinking.
They overlooked the fuel prices being six times more than a gasoline car is.
As owner of hydrogen car dont buy it!!!
What's your experience so far?
@@latuya8388 not enough stations, frozen hose, fear to be left without hydrogen.
Why did you buy one in the first place? Are you rich and can take a gamble?
@@adamkucera9094 promises from dealer that wouod open more stations and it is a good deal too.
Use gloves no? @@R0M8N
Just use the body and convert it to EV or petrol!
Maybe they could pivot to using a methane fuel cell and setup fueling depots at sewage plants?
I live in Miami, the closest fueling station is Canada I think. :(
Toyota is tight around the corner 😂😂too much frustration
Surely there's some mistake Sam, Toyota wouldn't lie to us would they 😅😅😅😅
Perfect donor car for an EV conversion.
Viking, we will start testing Enhanced FSD once the University kids are back in school (September?) this fall, anyone can take part. Why don't you get your hands on a Tesla equipped with FSD to see how it competes?
I would have to drive 300 miles to my north or about 1000 miles to my south to reach a hydrogen refilling station. We have welding shops with hydrogen for sale. But that's it.
$10000 for the car $20,000,000 for a hybrid filing station
Why is very easy. As an EV user I can see the reason clearly - I live in a house with a drive and my own charger. Any charging outside of my home is dearer than fossil fuels. Many, many millions live in flats, apartments and houses with no possibility of accessing cheap electricity, indeed, even a charger at any cost frankly. So, hydrogen can be filled up elsewhere like petrol stations - it provides the portability that only diesel, petrol and lpg can. I dont think this is going to be a betamax vs vhs moment, a real alternative to EV's must be found.
We already have biofuels and now synfuels as alternatives. FEVs hit the market 10 years ago.
Problem is that governments are not really interested in getting rid of fossil fuels.
BEVs will be viable in a decade or so. With Megawatt DC chargers you can refill a 100KWH high performance battery* in around 5min-ish.
Another solution will be to integrate a proper charger into the car itself (not just the toy thingy that stops at 22KW), then you can hook up the car to a medium voltage line via a pantograph. Or just reuse the existing railway network and add "sidings" for cars to drive under and recharge.
Power grid has also to be improved.
*to be developed
For a country the size of Australia, there are only 12 hydrogen refuelling stations either operating or under construction.
I wouldn't waste time driving kilometres to refuel.
Moreover, hydrogen is much more expensive than petrol.
I don't understand why Toyota keep improve the hydrogen car but ignore the hydrogen stations. It likes Kodak keep produce the camera but ignore to produce the film. Who's gonna buy???
The only reason that makes sense is that Toyota were trying to help the fuel industry keep their fingers in the pie
they should have teamed up and done what Tesla did with their Superchargers.
Some of these automobile companies are glorified internal-combustion engine companies. I’m thinking of Honda, for example. Let’s see how many of these companies will be able to manage the transition to the new era of EVs operating in renewables-powered economies. I think a number of them will follow the examples of Nokia and Blackberry, incapable of managing change.
You are totally right about hydrogen in the next five years .... after that the worlds h2 infrastructure takes off for big industry : steel, shipping, aircraft, trains and cars will also then be highly viable especially large class 8 trucks which infrastructure is going in . So You again are Totally wrong about H2 in the long run. H2 is enormous in the industrial world see the Conference .
the car costs 25k. your monthly payments are based off of 25k. it costs you nothing extra to finance it
the fuel voucher just means you have zero daily operational cost for up to 15k dollars. if you only use 5k of that fuel, then you arent getting a car for under 25k. you are still paying 25k for the car.
however, this is a killer deal, IF, you live near a station to fill it up, and never leave the area, or your areas have easy available stations.
the other problem.....whos gonna buy this used, or even want to take it in as a trade once the free fuel runs out? so is this really a good value when you run out of free fuel?
Toyota has been offering a $20k discount for at least the last 2 years. This pushed up sales. I suspect this latest 50% discount ($25k) may be just for Mirai in stock as Toyota might give up and stop production.
They’re gon have to go to florida to refuel 😧😧😧
Customers need the discount to pay for the expensive hydrogen fuel which is twice that of gasoline cars for the same mileage.
I had number 550 back in 2016 before I dumped it off to CarMax in 2020. You couldn't pay me $5,000 to take the car.
Well its better than what GM would do they would crush them
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Hydrogen cars would make a great place to stay for homeless people. You would have to run an electrical cord to an electric heater when it gets cold, because hydrogen is too expensive and too unavailable to keep the tanks filled up.
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They are now incentivising people who buy hydrogen cars. They offer a horse with free stabling, and hay for a year - which can pull your car around, in case you run out of hydrogen...it is so advanced, it has inbuilt sat-nav to take you home...
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Desperate less sales and less market share could be further points
Legacy auto makers using talk of hydrogen future to slow down BEV adoption giving them more time to catch up 😂
Good collectors item. Buy 5 and wrap them up and keep them for 30 years and you'll earn a fortune.
Is Toyota investing in Hydrogen Manufacturing and Distribution? Maybe they could be using the Cellular scheme of selling you the phone cheap and make it up on the back end?
Toyota is a lost cause. For some reason they are sticking with one version or other of an ICE engine. I work for Maersk in the US and I think we have the largest fleet of EV trucks. I feel bad for the Toyote fan boys who have to drive around in a POS
One might be able to convert it to an EV a bargain price, especially if its an EV drive system, with a fuel cell electric generator.
If you happen to live next to a Hydrogen station, it would make a great second car. If not, it's a an oversized paperweight. You have five years to regret buying it with that deal.
I happen to live only a few miles from one of the few hydrogen fueling stations in San Diego, California. Every time I drive by it, I look for signs of life. As far as I can tell, it's closed. No Mirai's to be seen. About 5 years ago it was fairly common to see one there filling up.
Buy the cheapest model & drive Uber/Lyft exclusively until the fuel credit runs out? Then sell off the parts.
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Not happening in the UK!
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Honestly, Toyota couldn't give me one. I live in regional WA and have no problem charging my EV at public chargers if I need to. There is literally a charger 300m down the road from me and another 45km away in the nearest major centre. But Hydrogen? Nah...I Googled and I Googled and I Googled. I can't find a place to fill up in the whole of Western Australia. Toyota are dreaming.
This is old news, the 60% discount article is from februari.
Its true Hydrogen is not looking good for cars but hydrogen allows you to turn cheap electricity into solid/liquid or gas fuels that can be put on ships and transported anywhere. Hydrogen allows cheap electricity to be turned into plastics ,fertilizers of fuels and put into storage for indefinite periods of time these are the reasons why hydrogen is not going away.
The thing is that the drive train is fully electric.
Last year, the CEO was confidently standing on the stage when he mentioned the hydrogen cars.
Do you think Vematum will pump before XRP?
If you REALLY want a Mirai there are plenty of used models available in Los Angeles for less the $5,000.
How many kilometers will $15,000 US of hydrogen take you? I’m retired and will never use up the free fuel in five years.
There's literally nowhere to fill one up in the entire US, so what's the point of selling them at all?
Hydrogen in passenger cars is a fantasy. Always will be
They got a tough hill to climb because you can’t even refill it. Hydrogen is a waste of money and it will continue to waste money for a lot of companies going forward
FCVs turn out to be "very inefficient - both in terms of efficiency and operating costs". - Depending on the model, the battery-powered e-car thus achieves an efficiency of between 70 to 80 percent." The hydrogen fuel cell requires 2-3 times more energy to drive the same distance" :Inside EVs
efficiency is not an issue.
Best CO2 neutral TCO: ICE car with Biofuels.
Worst viability: all EVs (BEV and FEV)
And is Toyota going to put refuelling station all across the USA to rival the Tesla charging network?
Hydrogen was never going to work. I noticed Sam has just started including hybrids in his "EV space" data that he discusses on these videos. He's never done that in the 2 years he has been the Electric Viking. Hybrids are outselling BEVs in several countries so it was only a matter of time before he had to acknowledge that fact. Geely in a joint venture with Renault are going to develop a range of small high tech IC engines for future hybrids. Geely is not stupid so hybrids may well become the dominant player in a few years.
Toyota backed the 3 legged donkey, in a horse race. Last one out, turn off the lights.
This is a bargin, if the materials are more expensive!
And, you can have a museums pice in the future.
In Norway with all those EV's, you can only drive in the bus lane with hydrogen cars.
I think you can get more money from nerds leasing, or been driven in a hydrogen car.
A horse and cart would be worth more, because you can still actually use it.
Hydrogen is just not suitable for consumer vehicles. Perhaps for commercial & heavy machinery, probably doable but that also depends on long term maintenance cost of hydrogen engine & fuel cells. EV is a no brainier when electricity is available everywhere that have development.
What will happen to those who bought these Hydrogen cars?
Gone by the wind
Well they lose their $$ and will have to try fight Toyota in court
You will never be able to get that $15,000 in free fuel. You can't drive the car far enough to go on a long trip, a friend of mine has one and in Southern California he works near hydrogen station so he can use it for his very short commute That's about it. If this car were electric that would be maybe a thousand or $2,000 in charging cost. So really it's a $25,000 car and that's still way too much money.
No way Toyota could sell their hydrogen cars for $80,000 each in current volumes and make a profit. Even at $80,000 it is a subsidised project. $10,000 or $80,000 - either way it is big PR campaign, so the price is just whatever works best for their PR at the time.
Toyota needs to build out its hydrogen refueling network across the US. 👍🏽
"Fuel cell is fool's cell" SLAP! SLAP! That was a Elon slap to Toyoda. My take "Why build 2 to make 1?" Unless you are selling replacement parts, maintenance, expensive servicing cost. Talk is cheap and loss of integrity, diminishes the brand.
At worst, you can still charge an EV using a standard 3-pin plug and that will ALWAYS be available
Isn't Tesla also coming out with a hydrogen car ?
Never. Not while Elon Musk has any say. That's just media hype. I'm unsure to what end.