As the owner of many Toyota's over the years , I have the Lexus GX 460 (Prado in Lexus clothes ) with a 4.6 L V8 and Toyota Tundra pick up truck w/ a 5.7 V8 . All i have ever done is change the oil and put Brake pads on them .
"in everyday use, doing the school run, grocery shopping, cruising the highway"....you need an ordinary 2wd car and perhaps not a (supposedly) super tough 4x4 truck? These things used to be tested to see how many straw bales, dead rotten sheep, rolls of fencing mesh you could get in them. Now, its how many USB cupholder charging points, bluetoof carpet mats and Wifi designer shopping bag hooks they have in the rear. What a messed up world...
When I heard that ""in everyday use, doing the school run, grocery shopping, cruising the highway"", it made me laugh ; Who would buy a Defender for that usage ? Damned, where is this all going ? We buy such trucks not for that, but for travelling to remote places where no ordinary car can drive you. And I would certainly never buy one of these new Defenders ..... I would be too afraid not to be able to return home. On the other hand, my Prado(s) have never ever let me down over the past 18 years ; 4 owned with 1KD FTV engine, above 1 000 000 kms overall (all 4 cumulated) ; My current one is a 2012 with 165000 kms, I'll keep it forever. Engine Oil and automatic trans oil change due next week!
@@fredmarghem2120 it's just pathetic isn't it. When I first had a Landcruise 55 back in 1980, you hardly saw 4x4s. A few Land Rovers, Range Rovers. Then occasional Patrol. But even a Range Rover then was still a basic truck inside. Time moves on, but I think what angers me about the folks testing the new Defender is they just don't get the irony. When you have to 'request' the off road protection pack, or an axle diff lock on the successor to the old Defender and, other packs are the (I'm being facetious) Urban Pack, Dog Washing pack, and, no doubt, Shopping Comfort Pack, it's just marketing bullshit gone mad. Just call it The Street Rover or something naff, forget an off road test and see how many of your kids friends can plug into USB sockets while going to the party.
@@Predator27007 You can't be more correct if you tried. There was a guy that braged about my dad buying a Prado and how his Mercedes ML/GL was better because of techy stuff. I remember we were going to a Ski resort however since this is the Balkans the roads are subpar at best. The Mercedes got stuck on stuff that the Prado just rammed through. I also remember the face that guy made when we were towing him out. Very salty.
I appreciate everything you analysed and I accept your deductions but for me there are two big elephants in the room! 1) Reliability 2) Re-sale value The Prado wins hands down!
I currently own a Prado, and have done for some years. Are they reliable? yes, but during the time of ownership my other vehicles have been just as reliable and they're not Toyotas. Most modern cars are reliable, people should stop living in the past and spewing out old rubbish. The problem with the Prado is its old tech. If that doesn't bother you, then it's a solid car. But be warned, it drives like a truck, and the infotainment system needs kicking into the 21st century. Buy what you need, and only complain if it goes wrong. Happy decision making everyone.
My wife has a 4 year old Range Rover Evoque which in the first 18months went back to landcover 9 times with gearbox issues, Dpf issues, engine issues. So much for testing and reliability. The engine and gearbox are the same in the defender as Evoque. Each time it was in for 7 to days awaiting parts and 3 weeks for gearbox. I’ll take the Toyota any day. We have a Prado also which has been no issues so far.
Toyota do not build LC Prados and LCs for the "tech" : they build them so they are reliable, durable machines that you can rely on overtime. Personnaly, I don't care if it does not have all the bells and whistles of the latest techs. Drives like a truck ? Well that's what it is ..... and that is just fine. We buy these Toyotas for that, and not for the latest infotainement system. Check out TFL and all the troubles they had with their brand new Defender(s). Even the rear camera was not functionning after a little while. In my Prado, the rear cam may not have such a sophisticated display, but it works, even after hitting dirty trails all day long.
Disappointed 2: 20 minutes in and already he doesn't know how to pull down the conversation mirror to access the Sunglasses holder!. A little worrying!. I wonder what else they get wrong.
I know right. He also said "the grunt is about the same" even though one has double the power of the other and also at the end the Prado has excellent touring range, except that model doesn't have the dual tanks.. What a clown..
Every comment is the same Toyota reliable. Yes they are but the last defender was designed in the 70s and was basically the same car through its life span. Jags cars are very reliable now new engines new tech altleast give the defender its chance to be a reliable car before shooting it down.
l agree about giving the new Defender a chance but l am keeping my ear to the ground and word is reliability is a bit patchy, that's why l'm giving it a year before l look at ordering a Defender 90 Commercial.
@@clooperman3745 yeah but it is a brand new model production is always patchy on brand new cars from any brand imagine doing the same thing for 40 years and then changing nobody would be good at it at first.
@@lukearmitage1533 None of them can afford one. The Landrover is a 'status symbol' and as such is aspirational. Those that can't afford one will critisize it just for the sake of it. They're all penniless losers.
The "Defender" will never see dirt! They ruined the Disco 4 with the Disco 5 so this is their redemption. Defender is Dead. Glad I bought one before end of production. This is effectively a Disco 4 MkII (with 85 ecu units) and not a Defender.
I owned an old model defender and now bought a new one for 1 year. Love the design , love the brand, great in off-road. I never spend most of the time in repair like others said. I also own a second hand Range Rover sport for 6 year never have any problem.
I'd take a 1994 300 TDi Defender 90 over both of these. And I used to have one. Never let me down. Sure it was slow, noisy and rough but it worked reliably. You can forgive it's faults because it was peerless at what it was. A proper 4x4. I agree with Hammond: the new Defender is the best Discovery they've ever made.
I love my GX 460, bought it in July. I spent a ton of time on research and was specifically looking for a 200k+ mile capable vehicle coupled with low maintenance. I sold my 2009 Z71 4x4 Tahoe which had zero issues and comfortably logged 250k miles with very low maintenance issues. I wanted something with a little better gas milage, supreme reliability, and could handle its own when we go hunting and backpacking. Flopped back and forth between the Land Cruiser/LX 570 and the GX 460 (Land Cruiser Prado) but just couldn't justify the upfront cost and added cost of fueling. That said, when i saw that Land Rover was bringing out the new Defender, i was a tad anxious and wondered if i should have waited. Either way, I'm extremely pleased with my decision to go with the GX 460. I'm modeling it off of the Lexus GXOR concept. When I saw that Lexus just dropped the LX 570 J201 build, i was supper jealous. Lexus seems to finally be listening to their buyers. Anyways, great video. Cheers
WHat about reliabilty? I know Land Rover forbide car testers to say that word in a RUclips video but...it doesn’t mean buyers won’t...Toyota LC and you will drive relaxed
After having owned 7 Land Rover products I finally got fed up with the dreadful reliability and changed to Toyota and have never looked back. I just wonder if all the gismos on the new defender will still be working in a couple of years time. My experience would say NO!
@@stringer-ik1pc these prados and big land cruisers are considered luxury in my country. A mid range prado is like 70k USD and a big size land cruiser is over 150k USD. People buy them here because there’s no Land Rover dealership for us to go and take it when it breaks down. And you know it will. You have to wait weeks for parts to arrive for it. People who buy land cruisers are big time players and money making people. They don’t have time to be in the shop all day. The Lexus is a good seller as well
I've owned a 100 series and a Prado. I would take the Prado seven days a week and twice on Sundays. Land Rover reliability has always been poor and even the real Defender 100 (which this new one isn't) was tough as nails it was also unreliable but everyone knew its problems and how to fix them. There are so many electric gadgets and instruments in the 'Defender' and that translates to many things can (and will) break down the track.
To me, it is all about reliability and service backup, especially if you go bush. Therefore I would have to plan to go to fantasy land if I bought a Defender. Why don't reviewers make more of reliability? It is far more important than most of the things this guy raved about.
The only way you can quantify reliability is through history. In this case it is safe to assume LR will not be incredibly reliable but apart from that it is not possible to comment on reliability.
City muppets in awe of the Land Rovers till I see them broken down in the middle of nowhere with no help. Sorry mate there aren’t any shiny Range rover dealers in the outback. Should’ve bought a proper 4WD like a Landcruiser.
I don't understand the popularity of Land Cruisers. Most never go off road... why spend so much money on an ANCIENT car when you could just buy a fancy Sorento or something for the same price, but at least the Sorento is so much nicer inside and out, would be significantly better to drive, has better safety technology and could likely match it in terms of reliability. If you need the off road capability or you live in the bush, sure, but I see so many mums driving Land Cruisers that have never seen anything other than asphalt for their entire life.
Try 120k for the 6cly defender now, while the Prado VX is at 85k(i bought one of these) and the Kaka is 95k drive away. Also the VX drives better in my opinion, that kdss system is really strange and has a harshness to it. I have to wait around 1 months for my VX(got lucky, picked up someone else's cancelled order due to failed finance i was told) while it was a 12+month wait for the defender. I also don't trust all the electronics long term in a defender. I wouldn't really consider these to be suv's, they are 4WD with diff locks etc which really don't come in suv's.
agree, I would not take a new series defender more than 100 ks out of a capital city in Africa and only then if it stays on the bitumen so it can easily be loaded on a recovery truck.
Bringing Prado to do the comparison itself is a win for Prado. The only problem English makes have, they never admit their mistakes and think they're the best hence they carry on making faulty cars.
Why does everyone assume that Apple carplay and Android auto are positive selling features? What would really be of interest to me is, and this applies particularly to the Land Rover, is how long before it breaks down?
If you are not going to go offroad (and I don't call a well maintained dirt road as offroad) then neither is the answer for a daily drive. The Mazda CX9, Kia Sorento, Hyundai Santa Fe et al will all be better (and mostly cheaper options). If you are going offroad then reliability becomes a key virtue to have. The new Defender simply has not improved Land Rover lack of assembly quality in this regard. Already some reviewers (Google the American ones) have had most unfortunate experiences.
They're not the same price. The Toyota is cheaper... And you can definitely tell why. I've never seen such a cheap and tacky interior, and the technology is about 20 years old.
Funny how none of these comparison videos begin with “I’m not paid by either of theses manufacturers”. Also save a load of money on all those cameras and their maintenance by fitting a scuff plate on the gearbox instead. Save money on USB ports and buy a map.
I just can't get around the Defender's reliability issues, especially as a buy-and-hold guy, but that doesn't mean I'd be happy to pay 2020 bucks for 2010 tech and design.
@@garytilley3217 I assume you are referring to the Defender. I must go by the history of the marque, plus several experiences with the latest model by those here on YT. Granted, it's the first year of a new model. But it's so desirable that it's tough to say no to it. I'd expect issues to crop up in time, but not in a short time. And the cost for those repairs (if not covered by warranty) will be relatively expensive.
@@ktpinnacle It is rather amusing to hear of all the failures then I suppose those who have no trouble are out doing their thing and not on RUclips. I know of quite a few who have done in excess of 400k in old Disco 3 & 4 & the same with older defenders. Maybe other marques have issues to but because of volumes sold the percentage of failures is less. Just an observation.
@@garytilley3217 I'm sure you're right. It's like Yelp reviews. The haters tend to spend more time online than the folks that spend their time enjoying the vehicle.
Hi 👋 at the moment LR don't offer a diesel Defender in Australia, it's coming some time in 2021. When we approached Toyota for a petrol-powered Prado, they didn't have any available for us to use.
For a vehicle to be a faithful family hauler, it must be reliable, that has never been a strong-point of Land Rover vehicles. The Toyota/Lexus will be on the road, when the Land Rover is in the dealership repair shop. I have owned Lexus Gx and LX trucks since 2001, and have not had any problems with them. My Land Rover Sport was in the shop seemingly as much as it was on the road. I put a lot of mileage on my vehicles, and for those who do so, the Toyota/Lexus are much more reliable vehicles, and have a better resale value as a result. If you drive the Land Rover only to church on Sundays, it may suffice. My neighbor has a 2020 Land Rover Sport that has left him stranded on the Highway 2ce, when sensors and a computer shut the vehicle down. He is trading his in for a Lexus
Testing primarily offroad cars and then going on and on about camera and software. Mate, get up on a lift and then compare the underside. The land rover needs air suspension because it wont have the rear wheel articulation.
As a land rover ran I should be excited the land rover is so advanced but how pathetic is it that a defender wins as an on road soccer mum vehicle.. What a joke
No defender has 3500kg tow weight and 350kg tow ball weight. I know this cause I ordered one. I tow heavy trailers and these are great tow vehicles with air suspension.
@@karlrushton8514 there must be conflicting info because on Australian spec sheets on car sales and car advice I’m seeing 150kg limit on tow bar. Regardless you should watch a non biased review on this car - Autoexpert for example instead of a paid review like this one. Happy motoring 👍
honestly I can't believe how much things you got wrong about the prado. -sunglass holder is behind the mirror view! -also has wireless charger on the bottom area where you said you have no idea what it was! Its obvious you know nothing about the Toyota vehicles.
@Grandma the Defender is the better all-round offroader despite not having a traditional ladderframe chasis or solid axles. Better departure/approach/breakover angles, more ground clearance, deeper wading depth. If I'd go overlanding I'd probably take the land cruiser tho
Love the Defender, but at double the price and the fact that I wouldn't own it after the warranty expires means I'd happily buy a Prado and know it has 30 Years of trouble free motoring in it, tried and tested
the offroadiness is holding up well for the prado..same with landcruiser on selected markets..big mistake if they go fully touch screen and just forgetting the people who use these vehicles 100% for utility..in and out of the vehicle with gloves on..weather your in the woods..hauling alot of heavy machinery..in the rain, desert, mud or snow..im getting a feeling they might go fully "sunday, urban "coffee" getter vehicle" with their vehicles.
So many jaded Toyota fans here in the comments. The Defender is better in all the ways, bar reliability which is unknown. Remember Toyota is in court for its shoddy DPF and dust ingress issues on this 2.8 diesel, so let’s not pretend they’re faultless.
I think your review is biased. You didn’t compare rear space, headroom, the seating position in prado is more upright. How about obtaining after market items, bullbars, winches, rear draws, rhino racks, awnings. To me your basically your telling us the defender is a show pony which costs heaps and you only buy it for picking up kids - soccer mum car. Do some research on how many 2020 Prados have been sold against defenders. Find out the amount of options on market for each and you will see what winner actually is. Land Rover must of sponsored your video. Have look at Ronny Dahl and Andrew’s video for on defender.
If they both get damaged which one can I get spare parts for quickly anywhere and back on the road. Which is cheaper to run, license and insurance. What’s your 5 year value, I think your Toyota will look better.
You forgot a very important point tho. Which car will spend quite a bit more time at the workshop getting something fixed rather than being on the road :P ? meaning will you always be able to do said school runs xD ?
I thought it was a car in a different segment. It's more realistic if you compare the Toyota land cruiser to the Discovery 5. This is just a balanced comparison. I think you are wrong to compare
I love that the Prado still has a proper hand operated hand brake, hate the electric park break.
Yup and same hand break will be with Prado for another 20 yrs 😂
Prado any day. Built like a tank for a reason.
As the owner of many Toyota's over the years , I have the Lexus GX 460 (Prado in Lexus clothes ) with a 4.6 L V8 and Toyota Tundra pick up truck w/ a 5.7 V8 . All i have ever done is change the oil and put Brake pads on them .
Time to change dif and transfer case fluids. Perhaps drain and fill tyranny fluid 3 times over the next 6 months.
This guys probably sitting at home reading the comments and is like "uhhh thats how you get to the sunglass holder".
Hahahaha crack up
2:07 The sunglasses holder behind the conversation mirror has only been there since 2009...
yup true, sunglass holder is just behind the conversation mirror
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Yep my 2013 Prado has it. Since new have only had to service every 6 months. No other required costs. The thing is bulletproof.
I just found this out 2 weeks ago on my 2010 prado 😂😂😂
The prado will always return you home.
With a little bit of luck maybe
Unless it was built between 07 an 09 and the DPF doesn't play up.
@@sbGOM DPF? I got a petrol one mate, More Powah!
Amen to that.. 2 grand for every warning light on the dash of a land rover
My 2013 doesn’t have a DPF, 180k and never given me any trouble, Landie would have died years ago. Just say’n
"in everyday use, doing the school run, grocery shopping, cruising the highway"....you need an ordinary 2wd car and perhaps not a (supposedly) super tough 4x4 truck? These things used to be tested to see how many straw bales, dead rotten sheep, rolls of fencing mesh you could get in them. Now, its how many USB cupholder charging points, bluetoof carpet mats and Wifi designer shopping bag hooks they have in the rear. What a messed up world...
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@@torpano word, what?
When I heard that ""in everyday use, doing the school run, grocery shopping, cruising the highway"", it made me laugh ; Who would buy a Defender for that usage ? Damned, where is this all going ? We buy such trucks not for that, but for travelling to remote places where no ordinary car can drive you. And I would certainly never buy one of these new Defenders ..... I would be too afraid not to be able to return home. On the other hand, my Prado(s) have never ever let me down over the past 18 years ; 4 owned with 1KD FTV engine, above 1 000 000 kms overall (all 4 cumulated) ; My current one is a 2012 with 165000 kms, I'll keep it forever. Engine Oil and automatic trans oil change due next week!
@@fredmarghem2120 it's just pathetic isn't it.
When I first had a Landcruise 55 back in 1980, you hardly saw 4x4s. A few Land Rovers, Range Rovers. Then occasional Patrol. But even a Range Rover then was still a basic truck inside.
Time moves on, but I think what angers me about the folks testing the new Defender is they just don't get the irony. When you have to 'request' the off road protection pack, or an axle diff lock on the successor to the old Defender and, other packs are the (I'm being facetious) Urban Pack, Dog Washing pack, and, no doubt, Shopping Comfort Pack, it's just marketing bullshit gone mad.
Just call it The Street Rover or something naff, forget an off road test and see how many of your kids friends can plug into USB sockets while going to the party.
@@Predator27007 You can't be more correct if you tried. There was a guy that braged about my dad buying a Prado and how his Mercedes ML/GL was better because of techy stuff. I remember we were going to a Ski resort however since this is the Balkans the roads are subpar at best. The Mercedes got stuck on stuff that the Prado just rammed through. I also remember the face that guy made when we were towing him out. Very salty.
2:08 There is a sunglass holder! You just have to pull on the mirror!
True af
I appreciate everything you analysed and I accept your deductions but for me there are two big elephants in the room!
1) Reliability
2) Re-sale value
The Prado wins hands down!
Yup but just for two so-called reason you trade off your every day joy of driving.
Which one will be on road in next 10 years?
Hopefully both but I think we already know the answer to that....
Defender comes with a 10 years warranty? :D
Next 5 years
I have a 20 year old camel.....does it matter??
I think the answer to that question is which one will eat into LR Discovery sales the most 🤣🤣 Talk about shooting yourself in the foot LR...
With land rover you make a lot of friends, meeting new people everytime the English breaks down 😂😂😂
100%
I would take the prado anyday of the week!!
I currently own a Prado, and have done for some years. Are they reliable? yes, but during the time of ownership my other vehicles have been just as reliable and they're not Toyotas. Most modern cars are reliable, people should stop living in the past and spewing out old rubbish. The problem with the Prado is its old tech. If that doesn't bother you, then it's a solid car. But be warned, it drives like a truck, and the infotainment system needs kicking into the 21st century. Buy what you need, and only complain if it goes wrong. Happy decision making everyone.
My wife has a 4 year old Range Rover Evoque which in the first 18months went back to landcover 9 times with gearbox issues, Dpf issues, engine issues. So much for testing and reliability. The engine and gearbox are the same in the defender as Evoque. Each time it was in for 7 to days awaiting parts and 3 weeks for gearbox.
I’ll take the Toyota any day. We have a Prado also which has been no issues so far.
The land cruiser drives like a truck because that is what it is and it is that precisely what it was meant to be.
Toyota do not build LC Prados and LCs for the "tech" : they build them so they are reliable, durable machines that you can rely on overtime. Personnaly, I don't care if it does not have all the bells and whistles of the latest techs. Drives like a truck ? Well that's what it is ..... and that is just fine. We buy these Toyotas for that, and not for the latest infotainement system. Check out TFL and all the troubles they had with their brand new Defender(s). Even the rear camera was not functionning after a little while. In my Prado, the rear cam may not have such a sophisticated display, but it works, even after hitting dirty trails all day long.
First sensible comment here.
@@bushmagpie3312 same thing happened to my brothers Hilux except he had to wait 6 weeks to get parts for the transfer case.
It's always better to go off-road in an SUV and return in the same one
Just dont quote someone's quote....Land rover may be less reliable than Toyota but it's not bad as you described.
@@raghavshankara5601 Land Rover is shit
@@raghavshankara5601 Landrover is terrible. Always has been and still is.
@@electrikoptik they got third one now. Fingers crossed
Lol don't say that!
Disappointed 2: 20 minutes in and already he doesn't know how to pull down the conversation mirror to access the Sunglasses holder!. A little worrying!. I wonder what else they get wrong.
And no mention of the memory function settings for the main driver seats.
They are clarely paid by Land Rover to promote the Defender even knwoing this car is FAIL!
I know right. He also said "the grunt is about the same" even though one has double the power of the other and also at the end the Prado has excellent touring range, except that model doesn't have the dual tanks.. What a clown..
Spot on mate
Scotty Kilmer: The Toyota's last forever. The RR just sits at the mechanic.
I can't risk my family with anything landrover. I'll rather be old school and have a peaceful routine road trips.
Have you ever own one or just saying??
3rd world country: take the landcruiser prado
1st world country: take the landrover if all you do is city driving
Exactly
Absolutely!!
Australia is a 3rd world country then
@@zm5277 Australia is far from a third world country
They are cleaner and more civilized than most European nations
@@joskjj3625 I know I live here, and most people would take and recommend the prado
Every comment is the same Toyota reliable. Yes they are but the last defender was designed in the 70s and was basically the same car through its life span. Jags cars are very reliable now new engines new tech altleast give the defender its chance to be a reliable car before shooting it down.
l agree about giving the new Defender a chance but l am keeping my ear to the ground and word is reliability is a bit patchy, that's why l'm giving it a year before l look at ordering a Defender 90 Commercial.
@@clooperman3745 yeah but it is a brand new model production is always patchy on brand new cars from any brand imagine doing the same thing for 40 years and then changing nobody would be good at it at first.
@@lukearmitage1533 None of them can afford one. The Landrover is a 'status symbol' and as such is aspirational. Those that can't afford one will critisize it just for the sake of it. They're all penniless losers.
...prado any day....
Pull the wide view mirror down and inside there’s a sunglass holder
biased review what happens when the technology fails on the land rover
The defender will spend most of its time in the repair shop. I'd take the LC any day
Liar.
100%
Monocog for off road? Forget about it. Reliability is another issue. Land Rovers are never well known for reliability.
The Land Cruiser is far more reliable!
My friend bought the new Defender, and it already has many problems in months!
Liar.
lol that’s definitely a lie
Land Rover ... looks lovely yet when it’s in the “shop” and broken down on side road .. why bother
@I know it all. I know it all. have you seen the fast lane car youtube channel 2020 defender disaster. lol
A bit like all those big money wasters? BMW to dummies like yuse,!
with the toyota, you are guarenteed to get back home. The landrover may not get down then of your street.
I think the LR should be compared to the LX570 given the prices? Or maybe the LC200 series?
The "Defender" will never see dirt!
They ruined the Disco 4 with the Disco 5 so this is their redemption.
Defender is Dead. Glad I bought one before end of production.
This is effectively a Disco 4 MkII (with 85 ecu units) and not a Defender.
Not true, it is selling like hot cake.
Option tyre on door two tanks 7 seats 25 years Prado, defender 5 years could leave you stranded in the bush twin turbos get hot?
I owned an old model defender and now bought a new one for 1 year. Love the design , love the brand, great in off-road. I never spend most of the time in repair like others said. I also own a second hand Range Rover sport for 6 year never have any problem.
if you pull the sunglass mirror down a bit, there is room for sunglass in orado as well
Technically, the Land Rover will spend most of it’s life off-road....on the lift at the dealership.
The prado is a more reliable suv than land rover defender.
you can use the Lc to recover the Land Rover When it breaks down.
How do you know that?
How many years you say the same joke?? Offcource Toyota Prado is less in power less refinement less fun so what could go wrong with it??
$95k for a 6 cylinder petrol defender? Mate, you are dreaming.
You know it has the highest rating on carwow and many other channels
Everyone knows the prado's better!
I'd take a 1994 300 TDi Defender 90 over both of these. And I used to have one. Never let me down. Sure it was slow, noisy and rough but it worked reliably. You can forgive it's faults because it was peerless at what it was. A proper 4x4. I agree with Hammond: the new Defender is the best Discovery they've ever made.
I love my GX 460, bought it in July. I spent a ton of time on research and was specifically looking for a 200k+ mile capable vehicle coupled with low maintenance. I sold my 2009 Z71 4x4 Tahoe which had zero issues and comfortably logged 250k miles with very low maintenance issues. I wanted something with a little better gas milage, supreme reliability, and could handle its own when we go hunting and backpacking. Flopped back and forth between the Land Cruiser/LX 570 and the GX 460 (Land Cruiser Prado) but just couldn't justify the upfront cost and added cost of fueling. That said, when i saw that Land Rover was bringing out the new Defender, i was a tad anxious and wondered if i should have waited. Either way, I'm extremely pleased with my decision to go with the GX 460. I'm modeling it off of the Lexus GXOR concept. When I saw that Lexus just dropped the LX 570 J201 build, i was supper jealous. Lexus seems to finally be listening to their buyers. Anyways, great video. Cheers
BTW a very smart buy!
WHat about reliabilty? I know Land Rover forbide car testers to say that word in a RUclips video but...it doesn’t mean buyers won’t...Toyota LC and you will drive relaxed
Prado anyday
Couldnt agree more... Land Rover is awesome care to show how good the tech is - But not for consumer
After having owned 7 Land Rover products I finally got fed up with the dreadful reliability and changed to Toyota and have never looked back. I just wonder if all the gismos on the new defender will still be working in a couple of years time. My experience would say NO!
The only thing I like in the defender is its low dashboard
Cause I freaking hate nowadays car's high dashboard
2:06 it is a sunglasses holder, pull it down further and there’s a holder behind that wide mirror!
When you compare cars next time use reliability to pick winner. I will not pay 10k for new defender but will pay 95k for prado
Prado ;) I like my stuff to work.
If you have zero class. (like your father) 😃😃😃
@@stringer-ik1pc If you equate class to spending money on things that don't work....have at it.
@@stringer-ik1pc these prados and big land cruisers are considered luxury in my country. A mid range prado is like 70k USD and a big size land cruiser is over 150k USD. People buy them here because there’s no Land Rover dealership for us to go and take it when it breaks down. And you know it will. You have to wait weeks for parts to arrive for it. People who buy land cruisers are big time players and money making people. They don’t have time to be in the shop all day. The Lexus is a good seller as well
I've owned a 100 series and a Prado. I would take the Prado seven days a week and twice on Sundays. Land Rover reliability has always been poor and even the real Defender 100 (which this new one isn't) was tough as nails it was also unreliable but everyone knew its problems and how to fix them. There are so many electric gadgets and instruments in the 'Defender' and that translates to many things can (and will) break down the track.
The kings clothes, comes to mind, reguarding the landrover.Toyota true build quality, means no hassle.
To me, it is all about reliability and service backup, especially if you go bush. Therefore I would have to plan to go to fantasy land if I bought a Defender.
Why don't reviewers make more of reliability? It is far more important than most of the things this guy raved about.
The only way you can quantify reliability is through history. In this case it is safe to assume LR will not be incredibly reliable but apart from that it is not possible to comment on reliability.
PS. If you want a real review of the Defender go to John Cardogan or 4xoverland they know what they are talking about.
City muppets in awe of the Land Rovers till I see them broken down in the middle of nowhere with no help.
Sorry mate there aren’t any shiny Range rover dealers in the outback. Should’ve bought a proper 4WD like a Landcruiser.
Don’t think the heating and cooling seats are much use if the engine isn’t working
Similar grunt? How is 290kw and 150kw similar?
Rover looks best sounds best, but one is to realise the mistake when Rover pokes holes into your pocket cause it ranks low on reliability...
I don't understand the popularity of Land Cruisers. Most never go off road... why spend so much money on an ANCIENT car when you could just buy a fancy Sorento or something for the same price, but at least the Sorento is so much nicer inside and out, would be significantly better to drive, has better safety technology and could likely match it in terms of reliability. If you need the off road capability or you live in the bush, sure, but I see so many mums driving Land Cruisers that have never seen anything other than asphalt for their entire life.
Does the kia have service centers and spare parts almost anywhere around the world? I don't think so.
And you never will understand since you just cross shopped a Land Cruiser with a Kia.
@@craigdavid6668 Can you elaborate? Please tell me what I don't understand.
The new ones doesn't really goes offroad but the used one very often.
@@jay-uo2bi If you’re even asking that question you don’t have a clue, there are people who buy Land Cruisers and then there’s everyone else.
Try 120k for the 6cly defender now, while the Prado VX is at 85k(i bought one of these) and the Kaka is 95k drive away. Also the VX drives better in my opinion, that kdss system is really strange and has a harshness to it. I have to wait around 1 months for my VX(got lucky, picked up someone else's cancelled order due to failed finance i was told) while it was a 12+month wait for the defender.
I also don't trust all the electronics long term in a defender.
I wouldn't really consider these to be suv's, they are 4WD with diff locks etc which really don't come in suv's.
It doesn't drive better than defender for sure.
So when reversing people will look at a screen in the middle of the car in stead of around and outside the car?
agree, I would not take a new series defender more than 100 ks out of a capital city in Africa and only then if it stays on the bitumen so it can easily be loaded on a recovery truck.
Bringing Prado to do the comparison itself is a win for Prado. The only problem English makes have, they never admit their mistakes and think they're the best hence they carry on making faulty cars.
@Riddhi Siddhi No they don't!
it's rumoured that all Land Rovers will come with the check engine light on from the factory!
It gets regularly tested to see if it still operates
Obviously made in China shit!
Imagine buying a Defender and expecting to still have mates ... lol
Sad. Does your mom have any.? 😃😃😃🐷🐷
If you want a peace of mind...no repairs to think or any part broken to be replaced.... Get the Prado...
Absolutely agree.
You can put sunglasses in the Prado. Just pull the panorama mirror further down
OMG......dude that just blew our mind!!! Can't believe it was there the whole time 🤣
@@carsales its there since... 2009....
😂😂😂😂 yes, it has been there since 2009….. You been living under a rock mate😂😂😂😂
Why does everyone assume that Apple carplay and Android auto are positive selling features? What would really be of interest to me is, and this applies particularly to the Land Rover, is how long before it breaks down?
Because if you’re actually touring Australia you want something more than crackling intermittent am radio
If it aint broke.. dont fix it
Seriously speaking, which one has a longer warranty?
If you are not going to go offroad (and I don't call a well maintained dirt road as offroad) then neither is the answer for a daily drive. The Mazda CX9, Kia Sorento, Hyundai Santa Fe et al will all be better (and mostly cheaper options).
If you are going offroad then reliability becomes a key virtue to have. The new Defender simply has not improved Land Rover lack of assembly quality in this regard. Already some reviewers (Google the American ones) have had most unfortunate experiences.
If RR better than LC and they are similar price, why Toyota LC is the best selling large SUV?.....there must be a reason for this.
Just the Range Rover Sport outsells the Landcruiser 10 to 1 in the US.
They're not the same price. The Toyota is cheaper... And you can definitely tell why. I've never seen such a cheap and tacky interior, and the technology is about 20 years old.
Dreadnought9T Cheaper is not everthing, Pajero is even more cheaper, but why it is not selling good as LC Prado.
@@ladybirdyuwantao yeah and it's way even more outdated than the two suvs featured in this video.
That’s only because Toyota is milking the reliability of the LC without updating much.
Prado hands down!
I like both cars but felt this review was s little biased towards the defender
Here is an idea grab a 5 year old version of both with 200 on the clock and repeat the test
Both off-roaders but with very different meanings.
Funny how none of these comparison videos begin with “I’m not paid by either of theses manufacturers”. Also save a load of money on all those cameras and their maintenance by fitting a scuff plate on the gearbox instead. Save money on USB ports and buy a map.
I just can't get around the Defender's reliability issues, especially as a buy-and-hold guy, but that doesn't mean I'd be happy to pay 2020 bucks for 2010 tech and design.
Is that based on old models or this new one which I believe has been completely re-designed?
@@garytilley3217 I assume you are referring to the Defender. I must go by the history of the marque, plus several experiences with the latest model by those here on YT. Granted, it's the first year of a new model. But it's so desirable that it's tough to say no to it. I'd expect issues to crop up in time, but not in a short time. And the cost for those repairs (if not covered by warranty) will be relatively expensive.
@@ktpinnacle It is rather amusing to hear of all the failures then I suppose those who have no trouble are out doing their thing and not on RUclips. I know of quite a few who have done in excess of 400k in old Disco 3 & 4 & the same with older defenders. Maybe other marques have issues to but because of volumes sold the percentage of failures is less. Just an observation.
@@garytilley3217 I'm sure you're right. It's like Yelp reviews. The haters tend to spend more time online than the folks that spend their time enjoying the vehicle.
the best everyday allrounder for the dealership and service crew lol
Where can i buy a landdrover for $95000??? Cause they are selling for $250,000 on carsales
The information about the history of the land cruiser is wrong! It’s history states back in 1951.
So why didn’t you test two diesels?
Hi 👋 at the moment LR don't offer a diesel Defender in Australia, it's coming some time in 2021. When we approached Toyota for a petrol-powered Prado, they didn't have any available for us to use.
For a vehicle to be a faithful family hauler, it must be reliable, that has never been a strong-point of Land Rover vehicles. The Toyota/Lexus will be on the road, when the Land Rover is in the dealership repair shop. I have owned Lexus Gx and LX trucks since 2001, and have not had any problems with them. My Land Rover Sport was in the shop seemingly as much as it was on the road. I put a lot of mileage on my vehicles, and for those who do so, the Toyota/Lexus are much more reliable vehicles, and have a better resale value as a result. If you drive the Land Rover only to church on Sundays, it may suffice. My neighbor has a 2020 Land Rover Sport that has left him stranded on the Highway 2ce, when sensors and a computer shut the vehicle down. He is trading his in for a Lexus
Testing primarily offroad cars and then going on and on about camera and software. Mate, get up on a lift and then compare the underside. The land rover needs air suspension because it wont have the rear wheel articulation.
As a land rover ran I should be excited the land rover is so advanced but how pathetic is it that a defender wins as an on road soccer mum vehicle..
What a joke
I’d take the Kakadu over the Angry Bird any day!
Obviously you arent subscribed to The Fast Lance channel.
Best of luck making runs to Landie servicing fixing those errors.
Seating position and interior from the Defender, drive train and tech from the petrol Prado
Does Toyota has tech?? Lol
Defender short life luxury , Prado always
Ppl should like the bearing on chassis feeling when it comes to a tough suv
You said the defender has better tow capacity than the Prado? Can you confirm max braked towing and also tow ball download limit?
Looking at around 7000 lbs towing weight for the Defender.
@@clooperman3745 and tow ball download limit?
@@clooperman3745 I’ve had a look. It has a tow limit of 3500 kg BUT tow ball download is 150kg! That’s pathetic.
No defender has 3500kg tow weight and 350kg tow ball weight. I know this cause I ordered one. I tow heavy trailers and these are great tow vehicles with air suspension.
@@karlrushton8514 there must be conflicting info because on Australian spec sheets on car sales and car advice I’m seeing 150kg limit on tow bar. Regardless you should watch a non biased review on this car - Autoexpert for example instead of a paid review like this one. Happy motoring 👍
Tech inside prado can be changed by third party and private car tech modifications workshops.
How can you say they have a similar amount of grunt?
We buy Toyota because it don’t break, Land Rover is always broken...gadgets that break
They're not for dirty people like from your country. Who are poor.
Great commentary (and choice of music).
honestly I can't believe how much things you got wrong about the prado.
-sunglass holder is behind the mirror view!
-also has wireless charger on the bottom area where you said you have no idea what it was!
Its obvious you know nothing about the Toyota vehicles.
Toyota: reliability
Land rover: everything else
@Grandma what else then grandma?
*G-WAGEN LAUGHS*
@Grandma the Defender is the better all-round offroader despite not having a traditional ladderframe chasis or solid axles. Better departure/approach/breakover angles, more ground clearance, deeper wading depth. If I'd go overlanding I'd probably take the land cruiser tho
Love the Defender, but at double the price and the fact that I wouldn't own it after the warranty expires means I'd happily buy a Prado and know it has 30 Years of trouble free motoring in it, tried and tested
Its not double the price mate. Kakadu is AU$100 k , Defender 110 se with probly 115 k
@@raghavshankara5601 Kakadu is 88k, a decent spec d300 is 120k plus, they've had several price increases
the offroadiness is holding up well for the prado..same with landcruiser on selected markets..big mistake if they go fully touch screen and just forgetting the people who use these vehicles 100% for utility..in and out of the vehicle with gloves on..weather your in the woods..hauling alot of heavy machinery..in the rain, desert, mud or snow..im getting a feeling they might go fully "sunday, urban "coffee" getter vehicle" with their vehicles.
So many jaded Toyota fans here in the comments.
The Defender is better in all the ways, bar reliability which is unknown. Remember Toyota is in court for its shoddy DPF and dust ingress issues on this 2.8 diesel, so let’s not pretend they’re faultless.
Good review and stuck to the subject matter. Thank you.
I think your review is biased. You didn’t compare rear space, headroom, the seating position in prado is more upright. How about obtaining after market items, bullbars, winches, rear draws, rhino racks, awnings.
To me your basically your telling us the defender is a show pony which costs heaps and you only buy it for picking up kids - soccer mum car.
Do some research on how many 2020 Prados have been sold against defenders. Find out the amount of options on market for each and you will see what winner actually is.
Land Rover must of sponsored your video. Have look at Ronny Dahl and Andrew’s video for on defender.
If they both get damaged which one can I get spare parts for quickly anywhere and back on the road. Which is cheaper to run, license and insurance. What’s your 5 year value, I think your Toyota will look better.
Toyota is a absolute mosque wagon
You forgot a very important point tho. Which car will spend quite a bit more time at the workshop getting something fixed rather than being on the road :P ? meaning will you always be able to do said school runs xD ?
I thought it was a car in a different segment. It's more realistic if you compare the Toyota land cruiser to the Discovery 5. This is just a balanced comparison. I think you are wrong to compare