Good car, bad example - The Carmudgeon Show - Ep. 31
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2020
- Like a magnificent grand piano that needs to be tuned, you can drive a vintage car that drives nothing like it should.
How, where, and who maintains a car can influence how it drives, even more than any inherent goodness or badness from the factory. There is some variation between cars when new, but it’s minimal - the big difference comes from how they’re treated by their owners. And, perhaps more important, the competence level of the mechanic works on them.
Derek postulates that one-owner cars are often some of the best, because that person paid full new price for the car and treats it as such; subsequent owners who purchased at a discount might treat it as a cheap used car. The flip-side is that some problems crop up gradually, so the owner might not notice.
Both Carmudgeons have driven good and bad examples of many cars - from W124 Mercedes to Ferrari 308 GT4s. And the variation between them is huge. This is another reason why Jason doesn’t want anyone to drive his Scirocco: maybe they’ll realize it’s not perfect. Because no old car is.
But of course his Scirocco is close. ;)
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The Carmudgeon Show is a comedic, information-filled conversation with Jason Cammisa and Derek Tam-Scott, two car enthusiasts who are curmudgeonly beyond their years. Proving you don’t have to be old to be grumpy, they spend each episode talking about what’s wrong with various parts of the automotive universe. Despite their best efforts to keep it negative, they usually wind up laughing, happy, and extolling their love for cars. Which just makes them angrier and more bitter.
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I have a nice story for the „look after your car well“ part: There is a guy in germany who is racing a F40 LM and since i love F40s and follow the garage that maintains it I watched it at a few races and trackdays. And one trackday the F40 catched fire and i just remember seeing flames out of the engine bay. I was really sad that something that horrible happened to such ab awesome car so I asked the guys at the shop how it could burn down and if there wasnt anything to prevent it. The guy just laughed at me and said that the thing burned down many times and they build it up everytime and it gets raced again. I found it really heartwarming that there is a guy out there that uses his million dollar car the way it’s intended and doesn’t fear bills to keep it racing
Wow, that's pretty epic
That is the way it should always be
When you have a life with a car , nobody will ever appreciate it as much as you do.
The 12-year relationship I had with my 2004 GTI was one of the most rewarding relationships I've ever had in my life...I used to think that was pretty sad, now I know it's just carmudgeonly!
Had an 01 jetta vr6, this is the car that attracted me to true "driver's cars." I understand what you dealt with lol.
Mk4s will push you to the end of your damn wits. Or be a basically normal, good car. There is no in between.
Yay, they're back
Love my Carmudgeon, you guys dive so much deeper about cars than any other car channel on RUclips.
True Enthusiasts 👍
Hows you're E46 M3?
John Bacon Not even kidding I spun a rod bearing last month, might have trashed the crank but not gonna know until I tear the motor apart.
@@Ovadose850 Bummer dude. Those are great cars. Have you ever thought of trying to convert it to a hard top?
@@Ovadose850 normal BMW life lol
I love how Jason sings to Hyphen to woo him....but Hyphen is having none of it....reminds me of the cartoon " Ignatz and Krazy Cat ".
Well dts looks great topless lol
@@HuyBui-do6xm too good 👀
around 18:00 you nailed it: many of these cars at some point are just used cars. They fall into the wrong hands and they deteriorate. I usually end up with them at the end of a string of negligent or abusive owners, so when I can get one from the original owner, that is a keeper.
I've modified my 944S, but I've been using Porsche's updates to the platform as a guide- IE 944 Turbo Koni shocks, 968 M030 sway bars, that sort of thing. It keeps the spirit of the car more in line with what Porsche intended.
OEM+
YES!!! I'm currently going through the suspension in my E34 with other OEM parts that are better, like E31 control arms and E32 rear suspension components that have solid bushings.
Yes, there are things you can always do to improve the car, but that only happens when you drive the car.
These slammed cars are used as cruisers. Essentially they are modified to the point that they aren't drivable, and that is due to the owners not driving, but only riding in them. Missing the essence.
Love the Mercedes talk, 80s/90s Mercedes are pretty much my favorite cars ever and there is precious little content covering them.
Maniek Mamut yeah sure... there are for example no r129 sl left on the read because they all rusted away...
*Early 90s
The early R35 GTRs had weird factory hero engines that seriously made 30HP more than another in the same range but they were stock.
The S2000s and E46 M3 (Z4M+Z3 S54) also had many variability due to the valve adjustment history, the retainers, and maintenance while still being electronic fuel injection.
Isn't the power Differential in GTR just a symptom of them being handmade items?
I mean AMG engines also tend to make loads more power than they sell you
In the Ducati world, there’s enough factory variance/slop in some of the timing marks on the camshafts and crankshaft that you can set everything to factory specs and the timing is off by several degrees. Sometimes timing the cams properly can give you a 5 horsepower bump and the bike runs better.
@@peterborak3695 really?
@@dragospahontu Yes. The timing marks on Ducatis are cast into the cams, the engine cases, the timing belt gears, and the crank. If each one is off just a little bit, between the four of them things can be off by quite a ways.
@@peterborak3695 that's Good engineering
I love the show because you frequently mention Alfas. My dad had a 164 V6 Tb, with the small Busso because tax reasons, and then we kids grew up and he swapped to a GTV V6 Tb (916), which I was driving until 2 years ago, when I got a 4200 Cambiocorsa and couldn't afford both plates. When she becomes 30 in about 6 years from now, she'll drive again fully restored as a classic. So, thank you guys for the memories you brought me..
Honestly, day was sooo hectic and I'm pretty sure this notification just had the same effect as morning coffee on me. Thanks folks. Don't stop. Please .
Great topic. I'm also looking forward to the future discussion about when to modify a car. I personally stop with a tune. The fellas at Everyday Driver often talk about modifying out of class.
I have a friend of way over 30 years in milwaukee that has at least 5 sciroccos .. 16 v and 8 valve and winter beaters and a 83 wolfsburg that was his daily driver 25 years. He is a vw collector with ghia and beetle and squareback and he is just a master mechanic for the cars.. he writes car reviews and has for years. Jason should meet him some day.
The best car podcast ever.
I can't understand how you guys don't get more views...your personalities are a perfect match for the show...the topics are great, you have tons of experience with a lot of cars...shame people is wasting time listening to kids brag about their new lambo...
Because these videos are for car nerds who hate new cars...which is why I love them. I think the ICONS videos have more mainstream potential
R2-D-Scott Made of abs and old Ferrari Knowledge.
18:16: Not everybody... I bought a used E63 when it’s price was less than half of what it cost new. Because i could not afford a new one, and they didn’t build the car with that engine anymore anyway(the NA 6.2). But it gets every bit of maintenance it needs in time at a reputable workshop and original parts. (It just doesn’t get washed and detailed as much as it probably should.) I want to keep it as long as possible for how it drives and sounds, and i prefer the ergonomics and user interface(s) to what is in use now.
As for old mercedes steering, i had a W123 300D wagon once: it got worse gradually yes, but you immediately notice it when there are wind gusts from the side… Not beeing in germany means were i live, we only have 130kph of highway speed limit, but as soon as it got to around 3 fingers width of play it was scary (to me) with wind gusts from the side.
An evening with some bournon and these two talking about car stuff is pretty much the perfect way to wind down after a day.
Thanks for answering my BMW question on the TST podcast! Your opinions are always great
I feel I had to wait a month for a new episode. Keep up the good work guys. As a subject I would like to hear your opinion on the E85 Z4. I feel it was received with pretty mixed feelings but it looks and drives great now, in my opinion.
I drove a friend's '88 16v Scirocco when the car was brand new, and l was only 18. Being so young, I hadn't driven many cool cars yet, but, as much as I wanted to like it, I wasn't jealous anymore when I returned the keys. It wasn't great then, and certainly isn't now... But it still looks cool.
Can you do an episode on best first car, and tell all of us what your first car was like
Also add "how did you learn to drive? First experience with manual trans?" Would be a fun topic
I can't imagine loving the scirocco that much and i drove the same setup for over half a million miles.
2003-2004 mustang cobras have a thing where the cam timing seems to be slightly different from car to car so there can be a variance of like 40 hp between cars (also modified cars definitely needs to be the next episode)
Haven't watched it just yet. Liking it already just so you guys can keep up the good work !
I still run the 1972 VW beetle my mom bought in 1975 (I was born in 1976) it was passed to me as my first car. (1993) and now with a 2332cc motor (201hp), it (still) really makes me smile!!!
A 200 horse beetle will make anyone smile you best anything rolling through first gear
I love this show
I bought a 16v Scirocco new in 1987 . Unable to comment on Ferrari TR video I've chosen this video . Having driven the Ferrari flat 12 cars in period you are the first person ever to speak the truth . Period end of story ,Thank you for validating my thoughts as well as multiple arguments with my peers .
Finally another one.
HAPPY ANNIVERSARY TO YOU AND SCIROCCO!
Just a funny joke I thought of (If you easily cringe, don't press "Read More")
When a relationship with a human goes wrong: breakup
When a relationship with a car goes wrong: breakdown
On subject of bracing Jason if you haven't considered already there is a windscreen sealant which is less flexible than regular sealant and makes one's windscreen a semi-structural component to decrease torsional flex.
Talking about electrical controlled cars, I had a work HiAce in Japan that had a former life as a long distance taxi.
The accelerator peddle was very lurchy off idle with an annoying dead spot between. 0 and 20% throttle. Made it an absolute devil in the snow. (Fun skidz though, even if accidental)
Turns out the throttle position sensor was knackered from highway driving at "just off idle".
Electronic systems go out of whack just like mechanical ones I guess.
When i lived in Darmstadt, Germany. I owe the 2.0 single overhaed cam with 90ps.
I did an oil change, taking oil to be recycled sadly " she caught on fire.
Over 20years now😞😞😞
I have driven a ton of cars working at a dealership and yes, there are variations even in new cars. When something is off, it's quite obvious. What's killing me, is I have a 2006 Saab 9-3 Aero that I feel like is kinda funky, but I have nothing to compare it to. My friend has a 2011 9-3 Turbo4, but thats a different drivetrain completely (turbo 4 auto versus turbo 6 manual). All I can do is throw parts at it lol. But it was a 1 owner car when I picked it up 2 years ago.
love this show, plese jason tell us which circuits do you have on your wall and why? congrats from uruguay!!!!
50 years owning a 1970 Ford Torino Cobra -1st car bought when 16 years old
I love my cabby, too. It has just over 400 at the wheels now. It's totally stupid, and totally awesome.
I had that same 164 when I was 19 and it was magic! Nothing electrical worked, like fan.. windows.. start😅
Will confirm the car scene in Toronto is still like that
Heh, that's why the throttle house boys were talking about how TMP is a mess of guys with no track experience
I like to buy a cheap example of cars I’ve always wanted then drive it for a year so I can decide if I’d want to buy a nicer version of it in the future. I just pay cash and fix the major issues.
the power difference is because of the valve springs, if they don't contract fully at high speed (high RPMs) they start to lose elasticity and you get into harmonics problems when you push them (valve float) and extra pumping losses because the springs are harder than they should
there is also the camshaft flatspots because of sustained RPMs or idle, and when you try to push them you get lower torque and power because the valves arn't opening fully as they should when the cams were new
On the question of modifications; almost any car can benefit from Improvements to suspension, tires/wheels and brakes. Additionally, a less restrictive intake and exhaust is almost invariably better.... that is normally the extent of what I do, aside from replacing OEM cost compromised components with higher quality aftermarket bits as they wear or fail. That’s pretty much my rule for mods.
Looking forward to the good mod/bad mod episode forthcoming. Keep up the good work!
Lmao from the convo at 17:10 I could confidently guess that it's a 246 Dino GTS or smth.
Gosh, I guess Jason won't be interested in taking a spin (joke) in my '77 Lancia Scorpion/Montecarlo when I finish the engine swap taking it from 80 ish horsepower to 230...
Let Derek Tam-Scott Speak, Dude has More Knowledge than Google
My 2015 Maserati QP GTS needs requires special attention but is a joy to drive. Yes, she's big and loud (in sport mode) and has curves but damn she looks good and handles well - it's not a race car. But yeah, got to put in the time to keep it right.
Are you of the opinion that (well) restored cars don't drive as well well kept low, or even high, mileage ones?
Edit: I was mostly taliking about the marriage of new and old parts in the frame engine etc, but I got covered
Aiso is the phone at 38:36 from the svr range rover episode of ignition?
Thanks for the show, keep it up!
Happy birthday 🎂
YOUR still the one Jason!
Could we get a spotlight on the Merc CLK GTR?
The leader designer at Tesla bought that LS Sky. He also designed the thing to begin with.. so yeah.
man, I love this show!
The TVR story...🤣
So Jace......I would safely assume you are not one for throwing the car keys into a bowl game .......
@41:00 is the most carmudgeony this show has ever been
Derek Tam-Scott was born in 1989. The secret is no more.
So many times I drive other peoples cars and notice they need alignment, or something is wrong with there suspension but they don’t notice anything wrong with there vehicles.
Even some car enthusiasts aren’t as picky as you guys are.
Please do the When to Modify a Car Show...........soon.
this whole thing about how cars are bastardized, once they start getting old and expensive to maintain... this is exactly the point when someone says 1owner car or 2nd owner car. Once that car is bought for a FRACTIOn of the price when it was new, Hyphen nails it and says the level of maintenance it gets is directly proportional to the price paid. I will now relate this to subaru, in so many bugeyes are straight molested because they were cheap (still can be), but those few first owner or 2nd owners remember the sticker price they paid and in turn, committed to the level of maintenance that comes with that. You guys talk about it on the EURO level very well but it also remains true in concept to all those import Japanese and even Hyundai Genesis vehicles - but question is, DO CURRENT NEW LUXURY VEHICLE OWNERS EVEN CARE ABOUT MAINTENANCE? show me a new car owner that maintains their vehicle? its rare they even know what the term TIRE PRESSURE MEANS.
Running in cars exactly by the book is like pre-heating the oven for your frozen pizza - utter useless. Period!
Jason don't like himself this episode ....like someone stole his vw
would you let Jay Leno drive the Rocco?
I treat cars well and fix everything that needs it. I just cant own a piece of crap.
I’m not American so I don’t really know what the current regulation is over there but do you guys have any idea when you’re back in the office?
WAS this show called THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY?
I have nothing to comment about
Derek is 28 years old, i think.
Derek Tam Hyphen Scott has the mind & taste of a gentleman twice his age 😂
It’s a good thing 👍
@@Ovadose850 Twice?! More like 3 or 4 times...
Once again requesting the editor moves Jason to the right and Derek to the left side so their personalities better match the left/right brain.
Incidentally, the plural of Prius, is Pri-i.
You're welcome. 🙂
Lol
Hey Sandler, it's time to extend this gen pool of yours. Get a woman!
How un-american is it to know about the litmus-test?
They should change this channel to "I is on Mercedes' payroll Official"
Somehow I don't think Mercedes is going to pay me to say that its heyday was 30 years ago. But GOOD IDEA - brb I'mma call them rn!
my tesla is better than anything.