OMG FINALLY! I was looking for MONTHS comparison like this and Infos on Octane for Blender! Thank you!! I find Octane has such a cool way of calculating light, just beautiful! Hyped for your other videos!
It should be noted that in E-Cycles, persistent data only works for animations in which only the camera is moving. The developer is working to expand this to include objects and shaders, and hopes it will happen in 2021.
I like your videos. They are honest, simple, friendly, imformative. You should do a complete course of Blender+Octane (for money I mean) because there is no at all out there. No nothing. I would pay for it.
So what is the best way to use E-Cycles? I noticed that it seems like it gives you a clone of Blender. Am I able to do all of my work in my regular software and then just use the E-cycles as a rendering node? Also is E-Cycles able to support Multi-GPU in the same way as regular Cycles. My business partner and I are really considering E-cycles with OptiX since $300 is a pretty reasonable price for speeding up our renders that much.
It IS Blender, so you can work in it just like you do with normal blender or you can work in regular blender and then just open that file in Ecycles of you want. They do builds for every release of Blender, so even if you need an older version or the latest version, it's there. Especially with the rtx version, It's a great investment to to speed up render times.
Been using blender for half a year now or so and I start to get the hang of it. Then I watch a video like this and feel like I barely scratched the surface.
Great video, thanks (and bought your add on). I´m coming to Blender because of animation, and this has really sealed the deal. On top of that, I´ve got a second pc with a 1070 just by my side, so Octane all the way!
Thanks Johnny! Which addon did you buy? I've been giving ap octane away, or pay what you want. Someone pointed out to me that octane may not do persitant data like ecycles but wither way there's a lot of things that I love about octane (some pain points too, but it is a great render engine!)
@@AlexPearce3d Hey man! Yea it was AP Octane. But it was like $5 bucks if I´m not mistaken, so no worries about that! Mm, that persistent data thing is surely desirable. In any case, the rtx version of e-cycles is at usd 440 or something (I´m on a 2070 super). And that is waaaay too high. I´m in Brazil and the currency conversion is at 5.5x, so it would be like 2,5 grand. Guess I´m sticking with Octane hehe
@@AlexPearce3d btw, I´ve started your Blender for beginners series, and I´m loving it. Coming to Blender from an odd place, a mix of Zbrush and Quill (VR animation), so I´m feeling the brain surgery as it happens. Definitely looking forward for that Blender addon as well!
Interesting, I'll definitely give Octane a swing at this rate. The only qualms I have about going into it is converting my current materials to Octane compatible ones.
Yeah for sure. The converter works well for simple materials built on the principle bsdf shader, or complex ones that are baked in and attached to the principled bsdf, but beyond that, it's hit or miss. I want to do a deep dive and figure out what breaks the converter. For example I think if you use groups or reroute nodes and it doesn't work, and if that's the case, you might be able to just reorganize your materials before converting and I might be able to build that into my addon somehow. It seems like it would be tricky (if not impossible) to figure that out with python, but I'll give it a go when I have some "free time"
One of the things which i don’t definitely use octane is not being able to randomize color in blender without using OSL, its a simple thing to code but just blew it for me....the fun of octane are the quick results
Thank you for the video. I'm trying to figure out whether E-Cycles supports multy gpu now. I'm reading FAQ at blender market and it seems that it does, but I remember there was a time it was said that it can't. Has something changed?
Lino! Thanks man! Yes I will continue to ask on the Facebook group, and likewise if there's something you want to add let me know. Also, you know what the most common mistakes beginners are likely to make, maybe you can help me come up with topics to help people getting started? I want to continue and make more advanced tutorials as well, but getting started on the right is super important of course.
Hi Alex! Great video :) I have a question. I am currently working on a major project. My computer has a 128 gb frame. My graphics card - 8gb RAM Will the octane engine finish render a big scene like this?
Hmm it's hard to say. For me, it seems like octane doesn't work as well on larger scenes with my setup, which is one gpu (Nvidia 2080 max q). But also, if it's a major project, I don't really think it's a good idea to try and move it to octane without already knowing octane a bit. It doesn't hurt to try, but there's a lot of little things you need to figure out and then if you need to do anything advanced, it's might be difficult to find the answer.
I don't know to be honest, my experience is only anecdotal. What works for me, might not be true for you. It didn't hurt to try it in octane. But there's a steep learning curve so beware
For sure, sorry I can't help more. If you go down the octane rabbit hole, let me know if you have any questions, I'm new to octane but might be able to point you in the right direction.
The only reason I don't use octane in blender is that because I know there's not much information about it. After watching this I want to try e cycles. Thanks for the video.
Octane caused me so much pain and suffering back in the days when I used it with C4D that I just can't look at it objectively anymore 😂 I probably will never use it in Blender no matter what the pros. But I have to admit that Blender really needs another render engine and it better be biased one like Redshift. I hope it'll be released for Blender soon. Vray would be great also.
Reaper, Redshift IS coming to Blender! There is already a working alpha! I don't think it's free, but if I can get a trial or something, when I get my hands on it, I'll do a quick overview and if it works for me I might also do a tutorial series on it as well. Here's the official trello dev board fo the Blender add-on trello.com/c/umeZ5JvZ
Do you still need E-Cycles now that we already have Cycles X in 3.0 Alpha? I think Cycles X is fast enough for me but I would like to hear your own opinion.
I haven't tried the latest Ecycles, but yes, ecycles makes Cycles X even faster! I think I saw 1.5-3x faster right now. Also with the presets, denoiser and light groups, and other features, I do think Ecycles is still a good choice for many people. I think if you render all the time, and especially if you render animations, absolutely get it if you can afford it. If not, then wait until you have a project that really needs the extra speed.
Great video! the only thing I can say you got wrong was about network rendering, Blender does support local network rendering or through drop box/google drive with animations. I dont know if you can use network rendering for a single frame tho it might be just animations.
That's correct, you can not network render a single frame with blender and you can with Octane. I know you can setup several computers with the same blender project and manually render them all to a Lan folder or Dropbox/Google (I did a video showing how to do it), but as far as I know you cant have one computer that when you press render, it automatically starts all the other computers to render in the network. With Octane you can. The computers have to be on and they have to the the slave program open, but you don't have to have the blender file on several computers, so it's quite a bit more convenient IF you are using a bunch of computers. Do you know any different?
Luxcore does look good for many people, but it cannot bake textures from what I understand and that's essential for my work and anyone who needs to bring their models to a game engine or to the web. I can try it out sometime soon and if I'm wrong I'll do some tests. Thanks for recommending it either way!
Right now, you have to purchase Redshift in order to do the demo, so I have been waiting, as soon as I get my hands on it, I'll start experimenting with it.
OK I bit the bullet and paid the $500. I'll make some videos soon. Initial impression is unless you are already a die hard red shift user, don't spend the money.
Like, I came to the video super into wanting to know what's all the fuzz about, but turns out blender's last 2 years were completely freaking awesome and it seems to me this video is HUGELY outdated. Regular cycles is superfast now and it has a built-in denoiser and all of that. I don't really know where e-cycles will fit on that range anymore, if feels outdated, I'm sorry xD Octane on the other hand seems like it still has a chance of doing some really capable stuff to compete with regular cycles... but then again, I'm a cycles fan and an eevee user xD All I'm actually looking after is when will eevee receive all the attention it deserves from the BF
Yeah cycles X is pretty awesome and with all the features coming like real time compositing, blender/cycles will be hard to beat! Octane is very very close to releasing Brigade which is like Eevee speed with cycles quality and render passes. Unlike unreal and unity it will not be a raster engine, it will actually be a real time, path traced engine! it has the potential to be the biggest game changer in the rendering world in a long time. But we’ll see and by the time it’s stable what new advances will blender/Nvidia/ unreal have, you know?
ecycles shouldn't cost a dime.. he took cycles and made it to render faster and he sells it. i still dont know why the blender foundation didnt take any measure yet... for addons its ok, but not with the whole software
You can actually take Blender and sell it right now. You would not be selling the software but rather the download service. So as far as legally I'm sure he is fine. If you're saying morally he shouldn't, well I can't argue that one way or another.
Hmm, i don't know about that. Realistially, you need a temporal de-noiser for animation. Neat video works amazing, but unless you already have and know how to use it, it's probably not worth your trouble. There is one thread about it, and I actually made an addon that does it, but while others got it to work, i didn't and basically lost steam on it. If you're not scared off by the technical stuff, here's how you can do it blender.stackexchange.com/questions/181921/how-to-denoise-animations-using-blenders-temporal-denoiser
@@AlexPearce3d great thanks! strange they havent implemented this temporal denoiser as a normal part of the denoise workflow as this seems to be already built into the Blender back-end.
@@AlexPearce3d Searching the manual. Loading onto the GPU seems to be affected by the Octane Mesh Types: Global, Scatter, Movable & Reshapable.. Buuut I'm not smart enough to choose between them.. yet :)
Haha. It is expensive, especially for people overseas or hobbyist, it's hard to justify that cost, for sure. If you don't have to render a lot, or if you don't have to render animation, yeah who cares, but time is more important than money for me, and after you've used it, it's very difficult to render in regular cycles again. There are some changes with ecycles right now, I'm not 100% sure what's going on, but its on sale for $1 yesterday for some reason, maybe try to buy it and see for yourself.
@@AlexPearce3d It feel somehow odd that a free software, with some minor tweaks in the render engine is suddenly a 299USD yearly subscription. But I have a hidden tip... Eevee! With some tweaking you get some amazing results, and usually in near real time. Eevee renders animation lighting fast.
Eevee is great for some things, sure. Real time engines have their pros and cons. Of course if you can make eevee work for you don't bother with a ray traced engine. C4d with redshift is $1000/year, if cycles is your preferred engine and you can same it perform a lot better, plus get persitant data, light groups, etc. It makes sence.
I guess I should clarify that. In one sense it can be considered network rendering. You can certainly setup a network and if rendering an animation, several computers can render different frames, but you cannot use more than one computer to render tiles of the same frame, so if rendering one image, even if you have 100 computers on a network, you can only use one of them. Does that make sense? I am hoping Cycles X will integrate that feature!
Octane might use both gpu and cpu to render, but from what I can tell there's no "cpu only" mode. There is an option for out of core memory that can help with larger scenes by using cpu/ram for a certain threshold (i don't fully understand out of core memory and i rarely use it).
Your talking about octane, yeah? Did you watch my setting up video? In the viewport do you see ay license errors? If not, go to your world setting and add a new Octane daylight environment and hook it up to a material output, in the environment pin and make sure the material output is set to either all or octane. You could also try adding other lights. You also have to have at least one camera in the scene. Let me mute if that helps.
I've added a very simple demo scene for you, it has an object two lights and an octane environment, with the necessary settings set up. Let me know if you can open this one and if you get the same errors or not. If not, you can use this a template to start a project or even append an existing scene to it. www.dropbox.com/sh/cjk07zetyk7jua6/AABri4ZHDRN_txAoBOgyDTZxa?dl=0
Yeah man. Renderman is coming to blender probably in the next few months. I will definitely be experimenting with that. If I remember correctly, luxcore can't bake lighting to textures which is one reason I haven't tried it yet. Renderman can, and I started to play with it in Maya, but I don't know Maya so I was lost, but yeah I can't wait for renderman to come to blender so I can start to learn it and see if it can work into my pipeline.
Yes! And there is a 100% free version called prime! Go to otoy. Com and then try or download. I have a video explaining how to install it (it's not straightforward) and there's a Facebook group that's really good to get help. I also have an addon that really helps getting started. It's called ap octane. The free version is ap octane lite and you can get it at Blenderender dot com
Is there a real version of Corona in Blender or you will use the standalone? From what I understand, it's not really implemented into blender. And doesn't it also cost a few hundred dollars? If you're looking for other render engines, Redshift is in beta. I bought a license and am doing some tests now. Its not production ready, but there are some good things about it. I released my first video on it recently just a how to install, but I'm hoping to release another this week of my initial impressions.
Web3d stuff. Let's say you have a archviz project that you want to host on sketchfab, but have really nice shadows and perform on an iPhone 8. Baking the shadows from cycles or Octane can really be nice,and perform well because there's no real time lighting, and you an reduce textures like crazy. For example if you have 50 objects, each with a diffuse map, roughness map and normal map, that's 150 textures, but if you bake them, it's 50, and they can be a fraction of the size because you don't need the heavy normal maps. So it loads faster too. For my work we do a lot of web3d stuff, we don't always need to bake lighting, but sometimes it's really helpful.
Yeah it is not cheap :( but Mathieu, the developer, is very talented and is constantly working on it, improving it, adding features, fixing bugs in cycles (that remain in Blender Cycles). I think the price makes sense, but will be for small/large studios, and people who are being paid decently for their work, not people who are just getting started, unless they just have the money to spend. It took me a while to purchase it, and I did for a specific animation I had to render for work and that alone saved me lots of time, and that was BEFORE persistant data was included, persistant data probably would've saved me another 10 hours of rendering.
@@AlexPearce3d that’s always a smart move, to wait for a job to pay for the upgrade as needed 👌 So, continuing the conversation, and e-cycles winning the argument by its ease of use and persistent data, I’ll wait to the right time and invest in it. And who doesn’t love a well made product? 😁
Hey thanks for the insult! Some things with Redshift are more difficult, some are easier. The most difficult thing about Redshift right now is there are so many bugs that you can spend an hour trying to figure out what you are doing wrong just to find out it is a bug. Since I've released this video, I've created an add-on to help people like me (poor guys/gals who find it difficult) and I'm doing the same for redshift.
OMG FINALLY! I was looking for MONTHS comparison like this and Infos on Octane for Blender!
Thank you!! I find Octane has such a cool way of calculating light, just beautiful!
Hyped for your other videos!
Thanks man! Yeah I still learning about Octane, but there are a lot of great things about it.
I felt in love with Octane just for the lightning features and nodes are easy to understand.
Thanks for making this video with time stamps, it's a very altruistic thing to do. Also, amazing explanation
Yeah its tedious, but I know it helps. Thank you for the comment Bryan.
Thank you! Will be waiting for your tutorials about Octaine in Blender. Really need this info!
Thanks for the comment!
Thank you a lot! You are saying a lot of useful information which can't be found so easily on others channels or web-sites.
Thanks! I know i need to make more octane tutorials
Thanks for this video hope to see more Octane Blender
It should be noted that in E-Cycles, persistent data only works for animations in which only the camera is moving. The developer is working to expand this to include objects and shaders, and hopes it will happen in 2021.
I like your videos. They are honest, simple, friendly, imformative. You should do a complete course of Blender+Octane (for money I mean) because there is no at all out there. No nothing. I would pay for it.
So what is the best way to use E-Cycles? I noticed that it seems like it gives you a clone of Blender. Am I able to do all of my work in my regular software and then just use the E-cycles as a rendering node? Also is E-Cycles able to support Multi-GPU in the same way as regular Cycles.
My business partner and I are really considering E-cycles with OptiX since $300 is a pretty reasonable price for speeding up our renders that much.
It IS Blender, so you can work in it just like you do with normal blender or you can work in regular blender and then just open that file in Ecycles of you want. They do builds for every release of Blender, so even if you need an older version or the latest version, it's there. Especially with the rtx version, It's a great investment to to speed up render times.
@@AlexPearce3d Right on then, we will probably be getting it shortly. I appreciate the quick response!
Thanks Alex! Very informative. Just subscribed. Take care.
Thanks for the sub!
Thank you for this...you just talked me down from the Octane ledge...FOR NOW :)
haha!
Been using blender for half a year now or so and I start to get the hang of it. Then I watch a video like this and feel like I barely scratched the surface.
I know right? I have only been using blender a few years and definitely still feel like I'm scratching the surface.
Nice breakdown. Lots of great info here.
Glad it was helpful!
Great video, thanks (and bought your add on). I´m coming to Blender because of animation, and this has really sealed the deal. On top of that, I´ve got a second pc with a 1070 just by my side, so Octane all the way!
Thanks Johnny! Which addon did you buy? I've been giving ap octane away, or pay what you want. Someone pointed out to me that octane may not do persitant data like ecycles but wither way there's a lot of things that I love about octane (some pain points too, but it is a great render engine!)
@@AlexPearce3d Hey man! Yea it was AP Octane. But it was like $5 bucks if I´m not mistaken, so no worries about that! Mm, that persistent data thing is surely desirable. In any case, the rtx version of e-cycles is at usd 440 or something (I´m on a 2070 super). And that is waaaay too high. I´m in Brazil and the currency conversion is at 5.5x, so it would be like 2,5 grand. Guess I´m sticking with Octane hehe
@@AlexPearce3d btw, I´ve started your Blender for beginners series, and I´m loving it. Coming to Blender from an odd place, a mix of Zbrush and Quill (VR animation), so I´m feeling the brain surgery as it happens. Definitely looking forward for that Blender addon as well!
Learned a lot! Thanks for making this video! Finally got some answers to this topic
Glad you enjoyed it!
very useful, thank you sir
Definitely!
Interesting, I'll definitely give Octane a swing at this rate. The only qualms I have about going into it is converting my current materials to Octane compatible ones.
Yeah for sure. The converter works well for simple materials built on the principle bsdf shader, or complex ones that are baked in and attached to the principled bsdf, but beyond that, it's hit or miss. I want to do a deep dive and figure out what breaks the converter. For example I think if you use groups or reroute nodes and it doesn't work, and if that's the case, you might be able to just reorganize your materials before converting and I might be able to build that into my addon somehow. It seems like it would be tricky (if not impossible) to figure that out with python, but I'll give it a go when I have some "free time"
At 9min - Persistent Data is now available in the latest Blender version :) One more point for Cycles
Yes!
Wow, cool info.
Thanks for the comment!
One of the things which i don’t definitely use octane is not being able to randomize color in blender without using OSL, its a simple thing to code but just blew it for me....the fun of octane are the quick results
If you want to add me on discord, and then give me the osl code, I can look at making it part of the addon?
Thank you for the video. I'm trying to figure out whether E-Cycles supports multy gpu now. I'm reading FAQ at blender market and it seems that it does, but I remember there was a time it was said that it can't. Has something changed?
Message Mathieu if you have any questions.
Hi Alex, and thanks for this video. Any question you may have about Octane for Blender, please just ask. ;)
Lino! Thanks man! Yes I will continue to ask on the Facebook group, and likewise if there's something you want to add let me know. Also, you know what the most common mistakes beginners are likely to make, maybe you can help me come up with topics to help people getting started? I want to continue and make more advanced tutorials as well, but getting started on the right is super important of course.
Thanks for the great video! Sadly Octane is built-on CUDA, ONLY nvidia gpus will work. So, it's kindof scientific :D
yep :'(
waiting for octane passes tutorial 🤟
sorry!
Hi Alex! Great video :)
I have a question.
I am currently working on a major project.
My computer has a 128 gb frame.
My graphics card - 8gb RAM
Will the octane engine finish render a big scene like this?
Hmm it's hard to say. For me, it seems like octane doesn't work as well on larger scenes with my setup, which is one gpu (Nvidia 2080 max q). But also, if it's a major project, I don't really think it's a good idea to try and move it to octane without already knowing octane a bit. It doesn't hurt to try, but there's a lot of little things you need to figure out and then if you need to do anything advanced, it's might be difficult to find the answer.
@@AlexPearce3d So, will cycles be a better solution here?
I don't know to be honest, my experience is only anecdotal. What works for me, might not be true for you. It didn't hurt to try it in octane. But there's a steep learning curve so beware
@@AlexPearce3d thanks for answers ♥️
For sure, sorry I can't help more. If you go down the octane rabbit hole, let me know if you have any questions, I'm new to octane but might be able to point you in the right direction.
super helpful ty!
No problem!!
The only reason I don't use octane in blender is that because I know there's not much information about it. After watching this I want to try e cycles. Thanks for the video.
Did you ever try it?
@@AlexPearce3d I ended up not buying it because my job lately was either modeling or editing. But I'm sure I'll try when my job area expands.
Copy that! I'm using it now.
Octane caused me so much pain and suffering back in the days when I used it with C4D that I just can't look at it objectively anymore 😂 I probably will never use it in Blender no matter what the pros. But I have to admit that Blender really needs another render engine and it better be biased one like Redshift. I hope it'll be released for Blender soon. Vray would be great also.
Reaper, Redshift IS coming to Blender! There is already a working alpha! I don't think it's free, but if I can get a trial or something, when I get my hands on it, I'll do a quick overview and if it works for me I might also do a tutorial series on it as well. Here's the official trello dev board fo the Blender add-on trello.com/c/umeZ5JvZ
@@AlexPearce3d Yeah I know it's coming. Thanks for the heads up. I'll buy it the day it's released :D
More Octane tutorials would be nice!
Noted! i'll try i lost steam for a while, how's redshift coming along?
Do you still need E-Cycles now that we already have Cycles X in 3.0 Alpha? I think Cycles X is fast enough for me but I would like to hear your own opinion.
I haven't tried the latest Ecycles, but yes, ecycles makes Cycles X even faster! I think I saw 1.5-3x faster right now. Also with the presets, denoiser and light groups, and other features, I do think Ecycles is still a good choice for many people.
I think if you render all the time, and especially if you render animations, absolutely get it if you can afford it.
If not, then wait until you have a project that really needs the extra speed.
@@AlexPearce3d thanks for the reply I appreciate it.
Yeah man, I try to respond to all comments so feel free to ask me anything. Thanks for the comment!
Thanks!
You are welcome!
Great video! the only thing I can say you got wrong was about network rendering, Blender does support local network rendering or through drop box/google drive with animations. I dont know if you can use network rendering for a single frame tho it might be just animations.
That's correct, you can not network render a single frame with blender and you can with Octane. I know you can setup several computers with the same blender project and manually render them all to a Lan folder or Dropbox/Google (I did a video showing how to do it), but as far as I know you cant have one computer that when you press render, it automatically starts all the other computers to render in the network. With Octane you can. The computers have to be on and they have to the the slave program open, but you don't have to have the blender file on several computers, so it's quite a bit more convenient IF you are using a bunch of computers. Do you know any different?
Luxcore should be in the list, people recommend it for better caustics
Luxcore does look good for many people, but it cannot bake textures from what I understand and that's essential for my work and anyone who needs to bring their models to a game engine or to the web. I can try it out sometime soon and if I'm wrong I'll do some tests. Thanks for recommending it either way!
Thanks your introduce. Could you please tell us about Redshift in blender which is the competitor of octane
Right now, you have to purchase Redshift in order to do the demo, so I have been waiting, as soon as I get my hands on it, I'll start experimenting with it.
OK I bit the bullet and paid the $500. I'll make some videos soon. Initial impression is unless you are already a die hard red shift user, don't spend the money.
Wait til they get further in development and have a free trial
Like, I came to the video super into wanting to know what's all the fuzz about, but turns out blender's last 2 years were completely freaking awesome and it seems to me this video is HUGELY outdated. Regular cycles is superfast now and it has a built-in denoiser and all of that. I don't really know where e-cycles will fit on that range anymore, if feels outdated, I'm sorry xD
Octane on the other hand seems like it still has a chance of doing some really capable stuff to compete with regular cycles... but then again, I'm a cycles fan and an eevee user xD
All I'm actually looking after is when will eevee receive all the attention it deserves from the BF
Yeah cycles X is pretty awesome and with all the features coming like real time compositing, blender/cycles will be hard to beat!
Octane is very very close to releasing Brigade which is like Eevee speed with cycles quality and render passes. Unlike unreal and unity it will not be a raster engine, it will actually be a real time, path traced engine! it has the potential to be the biggest game changer in the rendering world in a long time. But we’ll see and by the time it’s stable what new advances will blender/Nvidia/ unreal have, you know?
@@AlexPearce3d Cycles quality on eevee time sounds INSANE
Can't wait for that to hit the market *_*
Are there any expectations in terms of when we can expect to see this update cycles?
@@DaCapitalist1 hmmm they are doing some updates for 3.4, by the time 3.6 is out or smth alike cycles will be already top notch
@@sol_mental is it safe to say that we blender users should simply sit back and continue using what blender updates for us? Expecting progress :)
ecycles shouldn't cost a dime.. he took cycles and made it to render faster and he sells it. i still dont know why the blender foundation didnt take any measure yet... for addons its ok, but not with the whole software
You can actually take Blender and sell it right now. You would not be selling the software but rather the download service. So as far as legally I'm sure he is fine. If you're saying morally he shouldn't, well I can't argue that one way or another.
Do more!!
I will! I'm working on releasing an add-on this week, but next week I'll be back with more.
When did blender got octane??. Is it blender by default??
I was just about to add some links in the description. There's a special build of Blender with Octane and it's FREE (for one GPU).
home.otoy.com/render/octane-render/demo/
@@Luminex247 It still cost money, but the blender version is free with one gpu
Tripping beats, I know right?! Octane's free tier includes unity, unreal, blender and I think daz 3d. It is free for 1 gpu.
Does E-Cycles denoiser perform better with Aniamtions over Cycles?
Hmm, i don't know about that. Realistially, you need a temporal de-noiser for animation. Neat video works amazing, but unless you already have and know how to use it, it's probably not worth your trouble. There is one thread about it, and I actually made an addon that does it, but while others got it to work, i didn't and basically lost steam on it. If you're not scared off by the technical stuff, here's how you can do it
blender.stackexchange.com/questions/181921/how-to-denoise-animations-using-blenders-temporal-denoiser
@@AlexPearce3d great thanks! strange they havent implemented this temporal denoiser as a normal part of the denoise workflow as this seems to be already built into the Blender back-end.
@@T1mothyTee yeah that was my first thought as well, seems like a really great feature that many could use.
Octane - persistent data for animation: do I have to enable this somewhere? I'm currently rendering
Yes under the render tab, I think towards the top there's an option to enable persitant data
@@AlexPearce3d Thanks for answering so quickly, but I can't find any such option.. (anywhere in any Octane related tab actually)
@@alexunderstands sorry thought you were talking about ecycles. Let me look a little bit. If I don't answer today hit me up again soon.
@@AlexPearce3d Searching the manual. Loading onto the GPU seems to be affected by the Octane Mesh Types: Global, Scatter, Movable & Reshapable.. Buuut I'm not smart enough to choose between them.. yet :)
@@alexunderstands you and me both!
Too bad there is not so many tutorials for Octane - Blender
Is there going to be an Octane 2.9 version?
yes it should be coming soon
OTOY network is the best for those on a budget
Thanks for the tip!
e-cycles have 299 reasons AGAINST it right off the bat. before we even start.
Haha. It is expensive, especially for people overseas or hobbyist, it's hard to justify that cost, for sure. If you don't have to render a lot, or if you don't have to render animation, yeah who cares, but time is more important than money for me, and after you've used it, it's very difficult to render in regular cycles again. There are some changes with ecycles right now, I'm not 100% sure what's going on, but its on sale for $1 yesterday for some reason, maybe try to buy it and see for yourself.
@@AlexPearce3d
It feel somehow odd that a free software, with some minor tweaks in the render engine is suddenly a 299USD yearly subscription.
But I have a hidden tip... Eevee! With some tweaking you get some amazing results, and usually in near real time. Eevee renders animation lighting fast.
Eevee is great for some things, sure. Real time engines have their pros and cons. Of course if you can make eevee work for you don't bother with a ray traced engine. C4d with redshift is $1000/year, if cycles is your preferred engine and you can same it perform a lot better, plus get persitant data, light groups, etc. It makes sence.
You can not do network rendering with cycles.. not true .. you can setup easy an network render in blender
I guess I should clarify that. In one sense it can be considered network rendering. You can certainly setup a network and if rendering an animation, several computers can render different frames, but you cannot use more than one computer to render tiles of the same frame, so if rendering one image, even if you have 100 computers on a network, you can only use one of them. Does that make sense? I am hoping Cycles X will integrate that feature!
Octane render only on gpu?
I thought you could try on cpu, but I just looked and it doesn't seem like it's even an option.
@@AlexPearce3d In large scenes gpu will not pull the render. So Octane is used for smaller projects where gpu can easily handle it?
Octane might use both gpu and cpu to render, but from what I can tell there's no "cpu only" mode. There is an option for out of core memory that can help with larger scenes by using cpu/ram for a certain threshold (i don't fully understand out of core memory and i rarely use it).
Why am I getting a grey viewport?! I’ve deleted everything and redownloaded and all drivers are up to date. I’m begging for help
Your talking about octane, yeah? Did you watch my setting up video? In the viewport do you see ay license errors? If not, go to your world setting and add a new Octane daylight environment and hook it up to a material output, in the environment pin and make sure the material output is set to either all or octane. You could also try adding other lights. You also have to have at least one camera in the scene. Let me mute if that helps.
@@AlexPearce3d it says something like “waiting on images” or whatever and then just stays like that infinitely
Did you go through all the steps in this video? ruclips.net/video/j72vubd_uC4/видео.html
I've added a very simple demo scene for you, it has an object two lights and an octane environment, with the necessary settings set up. Let me know if you can open this one and if you get the same errors or not. If not, you can use this a template to start a project or even append an existing scene to it.
www.dropbox.com/sh/cjk07zetyk7jua6/AABri4ZHDRN_txAoBOgyDTZxa?dl=0
@@AlexPearce3d you’re a god send bro
E cycles not there anymore
What about luxcore render
Can you do a video on it
I'll add it to my list of potential videos, but it will probably be a while, I have a lot of other videos to do and I haven't tried lux yet
Thanks for the reply 😊
Yeah man. Renderman is coming to blender probably in the next few months. I will definitely be experimenting with that. If I remember correctly, luxcore can't bake lighting to textures which is one reason I haven't tried it yet. Renderman can, and I started to play with it in Maya, but I don't know Maya so I was lost, but yeah I can't wait for renderman to come to blender so I can start to learn it and see if it can work into my pipeline.
Never heard of e-cycles.
I’ve been playing with octane for blender. There is a yt channel called Final Result which has some great info for beginners.
Wish you talked about ecycles more :(
I would love to, don't the have the time right now :(
Wait we have octane in blender
Yes! And there is a 100% free version called prime! Go to otoy. Com and then try or download. I have a video explaining how to install it (it's not straightforward) and there's a Facebook group that's really good to get help. I also have an addon that really helps getting started. It's called ap octane. The free version is ap octane lite and you can get it at Blenderender dot com
300 dollar is way much, we will switch to corona render
Is there a real version of Corona in Blender or you will use the standalone? From what I understand, it's not really implemented into blender. And doesn't it also cost a few hundred dollars? If you're looking for other render engines, Redshift is in beta. I bought a license and am doing some tests now. Its not production ready, but there are some good things about it. I released my first video on it recently just a how to install, but I'm hoping to release another this week of my initial impressions.
@@AlexPearce3d i mean 3ds max (indie license) + corona render is below 200 dollars in india.
I see.
What about luxcore...
For me, I need to bake lighting into textures and you can't do that with luxcore, last I checked.
@@AlexPearce3d Why light baking, i mean i am an 3d Archviz artist and please tell this topic briefly how i can benefit from it.
Web3d stuff. Let's say you have a archviz project that you want to host on sketchfab, but have really nice shadows and perform on an iPhone 8. Baking the shadows from cycles or Octane can really be nice,and perform well because there's no real time lighting, and you an reduce textures like crazy. For example if you have 50 objects, each with a diffuse map, roughness map and normal map, that's 150 textures, but if you bake them, it's 50, and they can be a fraction of the size because you don't need the heavy normal maps. So it loads faster too. For my work we do a lot of web3d stuff, we don't always need to bake lighting, but sometimes it's really helpful.
You may not need to bake lighting and I've heard great things about luxcore, just haven't had a real desire to dig into it.
@@AlexPearce3d I understand the point of texture baking but want to know the purpose of light baking, how it benefits.
How many "Cycles" are there man, Cycles, E-Cycles, Cycles4D. 🙄
Sounds like movie & sequels 😂
The return of the Cycles.
@@AlexPearce3d 😁
@@AlexPearce3d 😁
Btw, E-cycles for RTX is at usd 448!! Urgh!
Yeah it is not cheap :( but Mathieu, the developer, is very talented and is constantly working on it, improving it, adding features, fixing bugs in cycles (that remain in Blender Cycles). I think the price makes sense, but will be for small/large studios, and people who are being paid decently for their work, not people who are just getting started, unless they just have the money to spend. It took me a while to purchase it, and I did for a specific animation I had to render for work and that alone saved me lots of time, and that was BEFORE persistant data was included, persistant data probably would've saved me another 10 hours of rendering.
@@AlexPearce3d that’s always a smart move, to wait for a job to pay for the upgrade as needed 👌 So, continuing the conversation, and e-cycles winning the argument by its ease of use and persistent data, I’ll wait to the right time and invest in it. And who doesn’t love a well made product? 😁
Yeah, he often does do sales. He had a bunch of end of year sales
Octane is not free!
Yes, there is a prime version for Blender that is free and able to use on commercial projects. Limited to 1 gpu, it still, free.
poor guy, thinks octane is complicated. dont ever try redshift :'D
Hey thanks for the insult! Some things with Redshift are more difficult, some are easier. The most difficult thing about Redshift right now is there are so many bugs that you can spend an hour trying to figure out what you are doing wrong just to find out it is a bug. Since I've released this video, I've created an add-on to help people like me (poor guys/gals who find it difficult) and I'm doing the same for redshift.