A Deep Dive into Detransitioners, with Experts, Doctors, and Those Who Have Been Through It
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2022
- Megyn Kelly takes a deep dive into the important issue of transitioning and detransitioning. Joining the show are Walt Heyer and Grace Lidinsky-Smith, who have detransitioned after transitioning to the opposite gender, who discuss the trauma that led to transitioning, the validation they got after transitioning, the struggles that led them to detransition, the hormone therapy and surgery related to the procedures, the internet and cultural impact that helps lead to quick transitioning, the defense mechanism of transitioning, the backlash detransitioners can face for speaking publicly, the rise in young girls transitioning, and more. Then pediatrician Dr. Julia Mason and clinical psychologist Dr. Erica Anderson join the show to talk about the push to "affirm" only, puberty blockers, the way America is lagging behind Europe in having a nuanced point of view, the need for individualized care, the need to have different treatments for adults and children, the policing out of society of gay identities, how toxic masculinity is leading to some teen boys to transition, and more.
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What a novelty to have an interviewer who allows the guests to speak without interruption
I was going to say the same thing! She does a great job of allowing her guests to speak without interrupting or badgering them. She also asks questions that make me feel she's genuinely interested and that she's prepared. No matter her opinion, she's open to hearing whatever they say, but I like that she has an opinion, and is never wishy washy.
Piers Morgan left the chat😂
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@@Rafaelacarlina I am unfamiliar with what you wrote, what did you mean?
It is soooo appreciated. And she does it with grace and intelligence. Refreshing!
Walt seems so well adjusted, wise, and successful despite an absolute nightmare of a childhood and adolescence. What an inspiration he is.
He let's his faith guide him.
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absolutely
@@barboglesby2162 faith that is grounded in applied principles does seem to be the one sure way to find peace and a rational way to rise above brokenness. Walt is a great reminder of that. 🙏
I didn't know how to put it to give Walt justice. I absolutely agree with you. Incredible resilience on his part.
Whether we like it or not all these trans-testimonies kinda prove Putin and the East Europeans are right about some things.
Like the ""homo adoptions"" issue as well.
Our Western society has been infiltrated and highjacked for decades at this point.
The infiltrators have SLOWLY groomed our people over generations into believing/accepting diseased ideas that our healthy great, great grandparents would never have fallen for.
Time to get based in the fundamentals of reality.
If nothing else, at least for the sake of all our innocent children.
""It is necessary that evil should come into the world; but woe unto him by whom evil cometh.
It would better that a millstone be hung about his neck and he be cast into the midst of the sea than that he should have harmed one of these little ones.""
--Jesus, the Son of God
This needs to be played at every city council and school board meeting. This transitioning craziness has GOT TO STOP.
There are actually BETTER (more succinct!) interviews & testimonies. But I do like that Megyn brought on a moderate trans person who wants to stop this affirmation-only model in favor of actual EVIDENCE-based care for children! It's just that NO city council or school board meeting is going to watch a video that is over an hour & a half long!
Look for the testimony of Corinne Cohn, a male to female trans person who spoke before a government committee against the transitioning of children. Look for Abigail Shrier's testimony. These are SHORT testimonies of witnesses directly addressing committees, not long-form interviews like this!
Im a psychotherapist. Teens primarily girls come in questioninng their gender or saying their trans all the time. I educate and challenge them on this from every angle. They are so hyper focused on gender identity and in my 10 plus years of experience i have never seen anything like this. I encourage them to just be kids.What happened to kids being kids!!!???. Frankly this trans epidemic is being force fed to them. Parents do all you can to protect your kids, limit and monitor social media because im sure porn also has an influence as well. Great episode Megyn
It's all being driven by social media.
Thank you for fighting the good fight.
Exactly 💯💯💯💯!!! It all starts with a parent's it goes back to the parents!
We should be able to treat Dylan like a lady even if he doesn't have a "meatpocket" for us i.e. like girls, married women. *Act like a lady get treated like one* sort of thing
@@shaina2323What about the schools? I'm sure I saw something online about teachers talkinv to the young children about trans , the correct words to use etc.
I was sexually abused by a family member from 8 to 12 years old. My parents believed me and let me stay away from the perpetrator but never did anything. In my 40s, I had a psychotic breakdown and finally got help. I'll be healing the rest of my life. Thank God Who brought me healing and help.
It is heartbreaking. I hope you are doing better now, although it sounds like a lot to deal with to start working on it late in life.
And only the Almighty can totally bring an end to all this horrible abuse of all kinds and he will. 🙏🏽
Sending you love. I really hope that you heal and fight for yourself. God loves you.
@@veracityhunter7777 Thank you! God is good.
Bless you I'm so glad you have the help you need. I survived paedophilia and lived a fairly successful albeit unique life until my early 40's also, then unfortunately meeting a toxic person who gaslit me for 3 years so that I was completely broken. Working through this in deep trauma recovery revealed the vulnerability from my childhood that had made it possible for me to be so abused as an adult by my bad choices in partners and career moves. I like you continue to heal in layers over the years, sadenned by the devastation it created.
Sexual abuse is a lifetime sentence of hell. I am so sad for what this poor man has been through. The adults in his life utterly failed him. He is doing amazingly well. I am so proud of him. He has overcome an amazing amount & is wonderful for helping others. 🙏❤️
It is. I had body dysmorphia and strapped my breasts down as a 15 year old not because i wanted to be a boy, but because i didnt want to be a woman and a sexual being that men would leer at. If i was a 15 year old today, i would be treated as transgender. Horrific
@@paulinegallagher7821 That wasn't truly body dysmorphia, if you didn't want to be male, but merely wanted to disguise your being a female to keep men from leering at you.
By the grace of God he as overcome.
God bless him.
Great discussion Megyn. As a Democrat and a retired RN, I agree with you and all your guests 100%. Yes, pump the brakes, everyone get up to speed, and let’s stop the insanity. The activists are acting like terrorists and don’t get a seat at the table unless they can behave themselves. The medical community, MY community, has forgotten to apply the scientific method AND the Hippocratic Oath. We are in a dystopian social media world.
I am surprise that you are a democrat. Stop voting for this
@@mbb6327 I agree with Democrats on more things than I agree with Republicans. Mostly, I just know Dems are more focused on societal fairness, while Repubs have sold out to powerful special interests, namely, financial market, gun manufacturers, fossil fuel industry, military-industrial complex of manufacturers. The two things about Dems that bug me the most are the transgender claptrap and the permissive stance on urban crime and drug use. Repubs ignore crime in the towns and rural areas too, and they promote it with no gun regs…so no one party is all good or all bad. The border: both parties trying hard to stop the illegals. Not true Dems soft on that. Obama deported more than any President.
And they are all democrats! Lol!
Obama had the Hypocratic Oath greatly altered. They removed the " to do no harm" part . Many Doctors retired and spoke out about this. People should research this for themselves. He said this was part of stopping Frivilous Law suits. The case is never frivolous in the eyes of the patient whose lives are altered forever.
@@merrywalsh2809 I echo these exact sentiments!
My niece came out as trans 2 years ago….she shared these feelings with her best friends at the time. Fast forward to years later and she is 15 years old and happily dating a boy. Be patient with teens, we were all lost teens once; this generation is not different, it’s just much more influenced by social media.
If someone says they're "trans" that is about their gender identity. You're statement is confusing gender identity & sexual attraction.
@@hollyb7981 yes, let’s focus on having that terminology down pat and not the fact we are ruining youths lives! 🙌
@@marthaplotnik2895I understand that you are older, but lack of knowledge will hinder addressing the issue
Sadly, many hetero girls are convinced to transition and think they will be able to date gay men. Lesbian girls are coerced & pressured to accept men into their dating pool & have sex with them. It's both a hetero male's fantasy to score lesbians AND it's a tremendous validation of their delusional identity that they are women & lesbians. We can't be patient with teens. With educational institutions & governments captured by this cult, along with entertainment media (including cartoons & anime), news outlets, & social media, teens are being bombarded continuously with propaganda & grooming for the trans cult. If we don't actively work to stop this, it will be too late for hundreds of thousands of children who will be harmed by the indocrination they receive from schools & the media they consume.
@@marthaplotnik2895trans is ruining childrens lives
I’m a psychiatrist, and have seen several situations where young girls with a history of sexual abuse, decide that they were trans gender. In these cases the desire to be male appeared to be due to the trauma they were subjected to as a female.
So I absolutely agree that a lot of female to male “transgender” motivation comes from trauma. Not from any biological gender problem.
Also the mantra is that gender “dysphoria” causes mental health problems, and that allowing a person to change their gender will fix the mental health problem. At this point there is minimal evidence for this theory, and no prospective studies to confirm this. Clearly mental health problems can lead to self identity issues, which can be misconstrued as true gender dysphoria.
Allowing persons of non-legal age to make irreversible changes to their body is quite horrific, and does not appear to be necessary. I do agree that adults should be able to make changes to their body. I also support the option for children to to express a gender they feel comfortable with, however as stated by these persons, we should be aware that there may be reasons other than a benign desire to be the opposite sex, in children who present with what may be symptoms of something else.
Politics should not be driving this argument!
A Thousand Amens! Just my layman observation, but every single person with whom Ive bn aquainted with, or just heard of on TV who is, or ever was, in the sex industry and/or outside of the heterosexual orbit, was sexually traumatized at some point. Maybe just a coincidence, but at 55yo (& "knowing" alot of ppl) its a VERY BIG COINKADINK.
@@joannemitchell3149 Just sending you a hug, Joanne. As a 55yo mom & grandmom...Smh...that's all I want to say...Just sending you a hug & my love in Christ's name.
Thanks for that
Politics is driving this. Its all part of the Leftists agenda for global totalitarian domination.
Yes, perfect example is the oldest daughter of 2 very famous movie stars. She dressed like a boy throughout her childhood and now she is a stunning beauty!
Megyn was a tomboy and so was I. Thank goodness we were born at the right time.
If she’s a tomboy I must be gay
ME TOO!! AND ALSO MY DAUGHTER!! I ACTUALLY WANTED TO BE A BOY WHEN I WAS LITTLE BECAUSE I WAS JEALOUS THAT THE BOYS COULD PEE OUTSIDE AND WRITE THEIR NAMES IN THE SNOW!! NOWADAYS THEY WOULD HAVE PUT ME ON BLOCKERS AND HORMONES AND CUT MY BODY UP!! I FEEL SO MUCH FOR THESE PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PUSHING THIS NEED TO BE HELD CRIMINALLY RESPONSIBLE!!
I wanted to be a boy when I was 9, 10 years old because it seemed to me boys/men didn't have to do dishes. My parents ignored my desire to be a boy and, of course, I grew out of it.
But I never outgrew my dislike for doing dishes. To this day my husband frequently does the dishes because he knows how much I hate it.
I was a relentless tomboy in my young years. I loved everything boys did and pursued those things with gusto. I am so glad I was allowed to develop my womanhood. I enjoy being a woman and I also enjoy being a 'tomboy' at times.
Me too. And I KNEW I WAS A GIRL WHILE I WAS A HAPPY TOM BOY.
I am a mental health professional in the UK. I agree with your two guests who give excellent accounts of their experiences and thoughts about this issue. Behind all this there could be a delusion in the medical field that "we can and must cure all ills.
Also from the UK (not a mental health professional but work in A&E). I agree with you and it’s nice to see that some professionals are here. There also seems to be a delusion in the medical field that we know EVERYTHING about the human body which causes us to make blind decisions and not look deeper into potential causes. We still know so little and need to continue learning and continue exploring everything.
There is a problem that many parents won't explore the past trauma because THEY ARE THE CAUSE of this trauma. 😥
Or they think they are. Life is, generally speaking, chocked full of trauma. Trauma has besieged human kind since the beginning of time. Unspeakable trauma,yet we have been able to flourish. And create meaningful lives.
THIS!!! I had pretty intense trauma at the hands of my own family, and for a long time hated myself for it and would've given anything to be a "different person".... so glad that I didnt grow up in an era where the answer to this is just inject yourself with hormones and cut off your body parts.... young, vulnerable, and impressionable kids need safety from this stuff.
That's what hurts the most. There's no clearance, no confirmation, no accountability. I just can't move on because the parents just won't face up to it not even talk about it. Siblings won't talk about it because they want their kids to have a relationship with their grandparents. It's cowardly and it keeps people sick.
Not all people flourish and they don't live their lives. This man suffered from alcohol and drugs and trauma at a very young age.
And of course, they will insist they're not. They have been very unloving parents or abusive parents.
I'm a 57-year old gay man who went through 6 years of what is today called "conversion therapy" with a psychiatrist in the 1990's, then later sued my psychiatrist for malpractice and went on to advocate for bans on conversion therapy - my point is, I have a lot of background on conversion therapies and legal bans to try and end these forms of torture. It breaks my heart to see what is happening today around so-called "gender" identities - predictably, so many who "transition" will eventually also "detransition," and for those who went through hormones and surgeries, their "recovery" will be brutal. "Fortunately" for me, "gay conversion therapy" never involved removing healthy sex organs (although my "therapy" did involve massive doses of psychotropic medications, aversion therapy, and injections of ketamine hydrochloride - so it was still severe). Your guests are brave souls and I wish them well, as I do for all who will need to detransition and suffer through the hell of betrayal and the reality of what was done to their bodies in the name of a cultic ideology.
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"Cultic Idealogy." 👏 👏 👏 ty!
You are also a brave soul. Thank you for sharing your story. It’s so refreshing to hear open and honest conversations.
Something I have thought about recently growing up in AL. Perhaps social media has played a part, I don’t know, which is why I am asking & commenting. It appears that most people think of this as something new.
I am 64 and grew up around different types of people. There was a large transgender community in the 70’s, along with gays and lesbians. To my knowledge it was accepted, or at least respected. One was a famous hairdresser that everyone loved. There will be people that will always be unaccepting of anyone & everything. I have always believed in letting others be themselves. We can never control other people.
My neighbor is Trans/Gay and he has been open & honest about everything. My heart goes out to him because he said at the age of 8 he knew something was wrong with him. He thought it was because his father worked long hours & didn’t take him fishing. Now in his late sixties, it’s still a battle that he lives with daily. He had major anger issues when he was younger. I find it heartbreaking because he truly doesn’t know why he is this way. I told him that we are all different & maybe there is a chemical imbalance involved, I have no idea. I have several friends in gay/lesbian relationships.
The difference I see now & it infuriates many, are the people that will take anything & cram down others throats. We all have the right to our opinions, yet we are silenced by certain people. My 44 year old son made the comment how older adults are embarrassing & I have to agree. We are shown these types of people as the example to live & think by.
What I find the hardest to wrap my head around is the compliance of what is happening to children by adults. One would think that part of history would never come back with such an evil vengeance. It’s unbelievable that no lessons were learned. We were all taught as children to respect our elders & older people because of their wisdom. I know there are still good people, but the reality of long term damage that has been inflicted on children has to be the sickest of all. Some claim to be offended by the smallest thing, yet turns from this & may encourage it. Now is the time to make a plan to protect them and teach them that all adults cannot be trusted, especially those who have more authority than others. I’m sure most parents don’t want to speak about certain subjects, but sugarcoating this life can be dangerous for them.
Many Blessings to the ones that are speaking out.
Soul goes not exist. Go back in reality !
@@fatoumata7624 your comment is pretty ephemeral ironically
Grandma, dad, uncle… all people children should be able to trust. You are so strong to come out of that trauma. Thanks for sharing your story. Much respect
So beautiful to hear Walt’s salvation and redemption story! ❤️ God bless you Walt, my brother in Christ, thank you for your testimony and your work to help people in the midst of this crazy agenda. 🙏🙏🙏
As a psychotherapist, I can not express my gratitude enough for this discussion. I have worked with many children and adults experiencing trauma. This is the root of the problem for more cases than I can count (including myself). During therapy, I make sure to ask questions and investigate these issues with my clients until we reach the place this began. It is tedious, involves vulnerability and requires challenging client's thoughts, behaviors etc. I truly hope other clinicians do the same. I will say that in this field, discussing a diverse viewpoint from a biological perspective is shunned in our current mental health sphere. I have many concerns, particularly regarding our innocent children. Besides this, I would like to thank these brave individuals for sharing their stories with us. Thank you, Megyn, for providing the platform and care you took regarding this sensitive material.
Megyn, I am so unbelievably thankful for your show. People are craving more and more for these kinds of honest discussions. And thank you for giving a platform to detransitioners
Thank you Megan for having these brave courageous people on your show. It makes my blood boil when I hear about body mutilation as the cure for mental issues, depression, traumas, or sexual abuse. These horrible Frankenstein doctors need to be stopped once and for all!
I couldn’t agree more with you!!
True. I think we also have to realise that this is not just a problem on the left, but most of the surgeons and big pharma are monetising this phenomena, and I imagine they are on the right politically.
The doctors and therapists that push vulnerable people to do this only care about $$$$$$$$$$$$$. They have no business being a Dr. or working with vulnerable people. Nothing normal about mutilating someone and convincing them that this will make them happy.
Well that's only partly true and nothing is that black and white. Over 98% of trans people do never regret transitioning, in the contrary. And even if this was the case we should ban all other plastic surgery too, since the percentage of people regretting their plastic surgery is way higher than the percentage of trans people regretting their transition.
@@pgScorpio There ard no recordz kept about detransitioners. The numbers are growing. Yhey should be heard. Their insight is incredibly important. I think all forms of cosmetic plastic sugery should be more regulated. I think it's regrettable that women especially think it's normal to undergo surgeries to conform to some artifical idea of what a woman is.
Excellent show! More people need to be discussing this!!! May God bless our children and protect our children!
God bless these two guests. My heart goes out to you Walt & Grace. God bless you both on your journey. Lots of love and prayers for you both🙏🏼✨🕊🙏🏼
Spotlighting people who have detransitioned and why they detransitioned is sorely needed. Thank you, Megyn, for doing this podcast.
No doubt this will be seen as transphobic by some. it's actually so compassionate to want to understand the root cause of an enormous amount of suffering.
Right!
It's not though.
Thank you giving detransitioners a place to express their voice. I’m getting my masters in psychology and was sexually abused myself. I have always thought that there are deep psychological issues behind most, if not all, trans people. They need to be treated as a whole person, including their psyche. They need to heal and have love and acceptance for that child who was abused somehow. There are all sorts of abuses that happen to people that they might not ever identify as abuse, or adverse events that affect them deeply. I am 53 and just started major therapy for how I grew up. Only then did I dissolved ways that I was affected that caused me to be a certain personality and to have certain issues that I thought was just how I was born. Once I learned that I could heal and that the negative aspects of my thoughts and personality, and find peace, and discover who I naturally am….. my life changed significantly. I have finally found peace. I wish that for these people too. I wish I could give them a hug and tell them they can be ok.
This is a very touchy subject but I will give it a go. A lot of the trans community struggle with their sexuality and are usually gay. Could that be a mental health issue in itself? Being gay and the struggle that comes with it. Or is it sexuality issues mixed with trauma and maybe other issues such as autism.
I remember a neighborhood little girl that was totally neglected by her single mom. This little girl would come outside, hair not combed, clothes dirty, and try playing with my friend and me. We were in our early 20's; she was about 6 years old. She'd always try hanging out with us constantly annoy us, interrupting our conversations and basically unwittingly be a pain in the butt. There were times that we interact with her by chasing her or have her chase us. She was a rough one. She once slipped and fell while playing with us. We laughed and really, really upset her. She chased us around trying her best to get revenge. She really felt she could beat us. Anyway, one day she came outside in a dress and pair of shiny shoes and just like a little rough kid, she began chasing us around as if she had on sneakers and jeans. It was then my friend and I decided to compliment, (rather than tease her like we'd usually do), her and tell her how nice she looked. Could you believe it was almost instant that she began behaving like a little girl? She literally walked cute, and let her little shoes make the clicking noise as she walked around us. Over time, we'd fill her with compliments every time she'd come outside. She ate it up. Looking back, I realized how neglected she was and of course, how much she needed to be validated, properly. Such a pivotal moment.
Lol y’all were in your early 20’s tainting a neglected 6 y/o? Lol wth
@@Goldun-nah Yeah. Certain times we were just as childish her.
I am very grateful for your bravery and boldness. I'm surprised you haven't been cancelled for telling the truth. Back in 2011, when I was working at a public school in a special education classroom, a 7 year old boy with autism was encouraged by his parents, and supported by the teachers and speech pathologist, to let him begin to transition to a girl. I spoke up vehemently that it was very questionable if not wrong to allow this before puberty without any investigation. While discussing the issue in the staff lunchroom, one teacher argued that giving hormones to the child would take care of any potential problems, another teacher told me she saw a youtube video of a 3 year old that insisted he was a girl and still another told me to watch an Oprah segment about the issue but the "autism piece" did cause question. (Well YA!) I was aghast that intelligent professionals could not see the obvious. When I challenged them on providing data on the success rate of using hormone therapy, I hypothesized that there could not even be any data! Then they left the room, leaving me alone with the school psychologist. I laughed and told the school psychologist, "Well, I guess I didn't make any friends. " and she replied, "Gail, it's never wrong to ask for data". I'll never forget that.
True then and more so now. So much demand for extreme change based n confusion and emotions. And that others accept without question.
Yes being an educator is a challenge with this issue these days. I just try to be an ear and use my reason, logic and gut to help them. Good for you to speak up.
All those "intelligent professionals [who] could not see the obvious" have in fact no formation or training in science, and rely purely on their limited sphere of personal education and information." They're "intelligent" in that limited domain of school education and administration. But that does not give them the science and the expertise of evaluating the biological issues in hormonal treatments to change gender. Being good and knowledgeable at something in one field does not extend to being good and adept in other fields where they have no training or experience. But the illusion is still there, and almost universal. It is a bias of our brain of thinking that what we know well, limited and personal as it is, is all there's to it when in fact we're dealing with radically different issues.
I believe some parents, who have underage children that say they want to transition, would rather NOT take their children to a competent psychiatrist/psychologist, to get their children the help they need, because this would mean that the dirty family laundry would be aired. Also, the family would need to work, as a whole, and each family member individually, on supporting the mental health of the child. It can lead to a lot of money, a lot of heart ache, and a lot of work. Some parents would rather an “easy” fix, so to speak.
Brave, well done Gail 👏👏👏
You’re super brave for airing this episode, Megyn.
Yes thank you Megyn
Thankyou so much Megan and brave guests. I was abused by family, at school, in my so called circle of friends in my neighborhood. In 2021 I wanted counseling for the horrific losses and abuse...almost instantly they cut to "dysphoria"
OFFERING SEX CHANGE SURGERY. They said this before I even spoke to their professionals !. They assumed I had a hysterectomy to start the process!. I told them I had the surgery to remove Endometrial tumors. She told me "It's free, the taxpayers pay for it" and " You RELIGIOUS types don't get it !". Totally Infuriating !. I had 5 years of estrogen already and was told it upped the threat of cancer, so how will kids be on hormones for decades safely ?.
THEY WON'T.And it shouldn't be against the Law to counsel patients to be comfortable with what they were born to be.
That was a truly phenomenal discussion. I am in graduate school to become a counselor and for a project in my multicultural class I’ve been immersing myself in this issue. Of course my favorite no nonsense news source would not disappoint. I’m grateful for the incredible variety of guests you had on your show.
Thank you Meghan and guests. We need more conversations like this. The Truth.
Really helpful to have an open dialogue and understand the challenges . . .
We need more of them coming out to share the truth with youth, Thank you for your courage and sharing 🙏
I am relieved to see that these stories are coming out. I had only heard of one detrans person and thought they were uncommon. I hope for healing and hope for these people.
This is a wonderful conversation! God bless you Walt and Grace.
The most honest and sensitive treatment of this subject I have seen. Well done Megyn and your guests.
Both guest are very brave and courageous. Humbly telling their life story, so intelligently. Walt's testimony is so encouraging, and beautiful to hear of Jesus' love and grace in his life.
Amen!
All four guests because the doctors who do not go along are being attacked as well.
Hearing these stories is so sad, but also makes me hopeful that all of these young people will start coming to their senses. These stories need to be shared!
Imagine the hoops you would have been jumping through to get a story like this aired back at the mainscream media outlets!! Aren’t you blessed!! ❤
Thank you for discussing the white elephant in the room. Trauma caused by horrific sexual abuse. Maybe this discussion can open the eyes of these politicians who think it’s ok for schools to start hormone therapy on minors without parental consent. Thank you, Megyn for this valuable info.
The schools, "teachers" who are really activists/indoctrinators are actually complicit in the ACEs by the early sexualization of kids which has a domino effect and causes kids to act out sexually, consume porn, become pregnant, have abortions OR become same sex attracted which results in a whole other set of adverse effects.
Schools are doing this? Schools? Nah... this is on the parents and medical health care providers. Teachers in public schools who teach minor children should never be speaking about gender or s€x of any sort.
Grace is so sweet and I have so much compassion for her. May all detransitioners find healing and peace of mind!
Thank you Walt and Grace. Great insights into the experience. So very glad you chose to speak out, God bless
Brave, raw, honest stories. God bless you both!
Great show Megyn! Alfred Hitchcock made a famous movie about a man who dressed as a woman in order to keep his late mother's memory alive. The movie is called, "Psycho".
Yes, Psycho is exactly what it reminded me of, also.
That's what I thought of!
Oh Grace, please believe me when I say that you have the world at your feet. You’re smart, thoughtful and pretty. You go girl 👍
She is all those things. Before she dyed her hair blonde, she looked just like Zoey Deschanel. Still beautiful.
She has very feminine features, I don't know how she could see herself as anything but girly!
Oh wow! I could totally see the zoey resemblance. Regardless, a beautiful young lady.
She so beautiful like an angel . Wish you all the very best . ACTUALY HELPING OTHER YOUNGS PEOPLES WILL HELP YOU GREATLY. YOU GOT THE MOST BEAUTIFUL EYES. THERE IS MORE IN LIFE THAN BREASTS.
I appreciate this interview so much. I know it's courageous for each of you to talk about this issue, but the truth needs to be told. My prayers are with all of you.
Wow, this was an excellent show Megyn! Thank you, to you and your thoughtful, brave guests.
It's almost always the mothers who do this cross dressing of their children. In my 40s I'm still recovering from childhood abuse from a mother so narcissistic that she wanted a male child and treated me like one, among her many other tortures. Fortunately I never fell into this trap but today I'm not so sure, since it's being validated without questioning the home these days.
Narcissism, esp the pathological end of the spectrum, is at the root of so much of he atrocity we are experiencing today. Society needs to be educated about this personality disorder and it’s growing prevalence.
@@glendacollins2898 - Hear-hear!
Im not a shrink, but I think we might be witnessing Munchausen by proxy going on with these parents. Certainly not all of them. Many parents are just afraid of losing a relationship with thier child, or have bought into the idea that thier child will 100% kill themselves if they don't trans immediately. But, I think there are a ton of social media parents who enjoy the attention.
@@chrisrussell8245 $azz's mother loves the attention. I'm absolutely positive this mother, and I use the term loosely, thrives on her son becoming a girl. Will always be a boy. I've watched pretty much all of the episodes and you can tell the mother is a pusher. Could be Munshausen, also. IMO.
She looks like a guy herself. Maybe there's something else going on.
If anyone is interested in learning more about gender issues, detransition, and young people, the Genspect channel here on RUclips has produced a lot of in depth information.
They're a group of therapists, and detransitioners who have joined together to address this crises.
Genspect is an organization that tries to help young people who are going through problems in this area.
I am from Brazil. Looking for content about detransitioners I found you. Thank you for sharing your history, it is being very enlightening. I'm glad to know you overcome this situation. The influence kids are suffering at school with the narrative the leftists/feminists are very unfair and desrespectful with the families. Thank you for sharing!
What a respectful, courageous conversation. Thank you! 💛
What a remarkable program. Thank you for portraying a side of the transgender/ transition movement not available in the culture, respectfully and truthfully. Your guests have the most compelling stories and I hope they continue in their recovery paths.
So grateful for people like Walt and Grace :) My heart goes out to those who struggle with this. When any of us embrace lies about ourselves, there won't be internal peace.
Thank you, Megyn, for having these important conversations that are not usually well recepted. They need to happen no matter how uncomfortable they can be for some people out there. 💙
I just cannot believe there are doctors, who will cut off organs, it is beyond me. This stuff is irreversible.
I agree, it is criminal.
Or pass out hormones like candy.
This was so good. I really appreciate you giving all the guests time to speak. Had this been another show there would have been arguments and interruptions throughout. This was wonderful!!!! Hope there’s a follow up show. ☺️🙏🏼❤️
What an important episode, that is honestly eye opening to everyone. Especially if you have children. The stories were heart wrenching to listen to. Bravo MK!
I saw a great interview with a lovely young woman on this subject that everyone should see. It’s on Glenn Beck episode # 166. De-Transitioner Exposes Dark World of Gender-affirming Care.
Detransitioners are so brave! I hope you all realise how many people you can help,or are helping already with your stories!!
Great episode. Thanks for the open discussion that was handled with respect, sensitivity and care.
Thank you!!! This is so badly needed; we need to have these discussions and not be shot down or canceled.
This reminds me of other medical trends, I.e., Lobotomy trends in early 1900s. Some Drs thought it would fix people.
Megyn, I know very little about this issue and keep being thrown in to having to respond. I really appreciate you having these people on so I could learn so much. I might know a little better now how to deal with the questions and requests I receive. And I think you handled the interviews with grace and intelligence. Thanks!
What a gem this discussion is! Thank you! As a Certified Clinical Hypnotherapist and friend to so many confused persons, I find so much useful information here.
I am a transsexual man who transitioned 30 years ago to live like a man. It saved my life. I am 60 years old now. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for this! Everyone is afraid to say this! Children and parents are being led into this space. Shame on the medical and pediatric association . You all just heard it from very prominent Drs. And detransitioners. Love Buck
Hi Buck. I have seen your commentary on this issue and appreciate your nuanced views. I am wondering if I can ask you, do you think that in-depth therapy could have possibly allowed to you have accept your previous body and lead to happiness? Do you think therapy such as that could work for others? No worries if you do not wish to answer but I am just curious of that.
I am confused - you transitioned and say it saved your life. Yet you say children and parents are being led into this space. Is it because you did so when you were older?
So, you’re the only person who deserves to have their life saved?
@@Rae_777 I believe Buck meant detransitioned.
@@baylorsailor No, Buck is a pretty famous trans guy. He transitioned 30 years ago, and works in the adult industry amongst other things. For some reason he is among a few right-wing trans folks who make transphobic content. It’s confusing.
Meghan you are brilliant. This episode is so powerful! So eye opening and educating . Thank you.
Megyn is practically perfect in every way!
I really appreciated all your guests, but was so glad to hear Dr Erica Anderson. I am a therapist and it was so great to see that I am not alone in what seems like common sense to me. Love your show!
How do you go about getting a real therapist that’s not gonna push this on you just because you feel this way, instead of digging deeper on trauma that might be affecting the way you identify yourself??
Thank you Megyn... that was awesome. All the very best for 2023 🙂✌
I think this was one of my favorites. It's a real issue parents are facing today and it's scary. Every parent needs to throw out the social aspect and follow through on their own due diligence to find answers, not be guided by fear. What a great group of educated and incitiful panel taking risks to do what's right by our children. I thank you.
Really great interview. Both of them, who de transitioned, are very brave to not only speak up but also continuing to shed a light on this.
So, there’s no words to describe the shock I feel and also my heart just broke in pieces, as I heard your stories. It’s so sad that all the pain you experienced in life led you to being a victim of some kind of experiment that destroyed your lives in irreversible ways. Really. It’s very scary that this is the education being offered in schools, probably public schools or is this also happening in private schools? So yea no child should be told a lie like this, that just grows until a certain point and ends up with the operation that doesn’t fulfill your life anymore. Being dependent of hormones. It’s such a f trap I’m so mad that this is happening really. I’m so sorry for you all ❤ I’m truly sorry y’all 😢 - sincerely
Thank you for this conversation
Thank you and your guests for telling the real truth about this insanity
It is genuine insanity. I heard an author talk about how it is an epidemic amongst teen girls and is spread via social media.
It's a tough issue I've watched it unfold with 2 of my nephews one wrestled with it and eventually realized he was fine as is and the other went all in and disowned everyone in the family even though none of us put him/her down. Devastating on the mother too as it's many years later now and she still hasn't totally recovered mentally.
Thats awful. How is your other nephew. Are they still trans? Are they communicating with mum again?
My sister just gave birth to a boy a few weeks ago. It scares me so much reading stories like this. I love my niece and nephew so much and can't imagine the pain your family is going through. X
@@serahmaxy8849 well the one all in has stayed away. Unfortunately my nephew that came to grips with it all was killed in in auto accident 11 years ago.
@@alanzieve1135 I'm so sorry that happened. I hope he is at peace now xxx
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Wow! Great show! Thanks for addressing this important issue.
Walt and Grace, I commend you for telling your stories. I think in particular the insight about possibly wanting to be anyone except you is spot on. That might be true of both of you. We all make choices and sometimes they aren't right for us. It's how you review them. Truth can be scary, but at the end of the day it's so much better. You were both beautiful all along. It took a journey to learn that. May God Bless You.
Great admiration of the courage to tell these stories. This could be a monthly series Megyn. People need to hear these stories. I hope you guests get healing and support through their sharing.
I have to add, though I agree with Walt in many circumstances, today I think that many of these kids, especially girls, may have no mental issues, but are just "tomboys". I am a purely hetero male, but have always (back to 1st grade) been attracted to tomboys. I like women that are tough, and brave, and not afraid to get dirty. I raced motorcycles in the '90's and was always very supportive to the few women in the sport, and helped where I could. I like women that are into "extreme sports", like hiking, biking, kayaking, working on cars etc. Kinda like Megyn herself. What happens when a perfectly normal girl, like Megyn, is told at 5 years old that she is really a boy because she likes "boy things", and that is drilled into her over and over. She is told to wear boy clothes, and do boy things (which she would anyway) and that she can change into a boy (Oh boy! How cool!) Now we just ruined the life of what could have been a very happy, sucessful woman (like Megyn), destroyed any chance for children, or a normal sex life, and created a lifetime of medical issues. Not to mention a 40% chance of suicide. It is criminal, evil, and disgusting, and I won't bow to any of the BS. Ten years ago, if you were TRULY gender dysphoric, and wanted to transition, you had to live life as the opposite sex for a year or more, go through therapy, and then (maybe) you would start to take hormones and transition, if it was TRULY the issue, and you had feelings of being in the wrong body from a young age. Now if a girl picks up a toy truck or likes to roughhouse it is drilled into her that she is a boy, and she can get hormones to be a boy, and no, we don't have to tell your parents. Completely insane.
Wow good thing this stuff wasn't going on when I was a girl. Most of my friends were boys, I like to play with Hot Wheels cars and other boys toys; I didn't play with dolls. I still certainly felt like a girl, i was happy to dress girly and frilly for fancy occasions but day to day, I'd wear jeans and shorts and not pay a lot of attention to my looks.
I think it was honestly a healthy thing I was having fun, doing things I enjoyed being friends with boys as well as girls.
It's interesting how the group that insists that gender is nothing but a construct is also the same group that goes, he's four & wants to wear a dress! Must be a girl!! She likes playing football, must be a boy!! The "logic" there is impossible to decipher...
@@v25467 That's a great insight!
I am a girly girl and I go hiking everyday (even on my day off) as I am a Conservation Biologist, I literally get dirty for work.
I am a country girl so I was pretty much raised rock climbing and jumping into creeks getting my own food from the wild. I also stand up for myself and don't take crap from no one but here's my point, I also love wearing dresses, sowing, cooking and musical theatre!
Just because I look girly doesn't mean I have no experience with adverse situations and I can't put on some boots get dirty and go hiking.
Thankyou Megyn for highlighting this . Thank for your guests , they're brave . But we need people to speak out .
Interviews like this are so needed. Especially at the times we are living in.This
Is a wake up call to what is happening in our school system. Small children should not in any degree be taught about sexual activity / body parts etc.
Parents have to take a stand on the appalling mess that is infiltrating in to our children’s minds, by perverse people.
One of your best shows. Definitely appreciated all of your guests and the conversation. Thank you.
I loved your guests as well. This has been so eye opening and sane. Thank you.
What an excellent show. Love the last conversation with the two professionals.
Thank you for featuring this very concerning issue. Your guests were all different but professional and insightful. I learned a lot.
A thought provoking show! All I can say it sad to see our kids being deliberately confused. Why is this happening? My heart breaks for all those who are so confused and plagued by this issue. Whatever their gender is at birth, they are special. Hopefully, someday, we all can learn to love one another.
What an intelligent (finally) and educational discussion of the topic. Great guests! Every parent should watch.
All of their lives are precious. Many people just need attention and to be heard. It is good to take time to talk about these things. Great video and discussion. I am glad they are alive and I wish them happiness.
Great show Megyn, thank you!
Very educational, fascinating episode. I honestly feel badly for people who endure either sexual abuse, mental abuse or just serious unresolved self identity issues. Kudos the show and the guests for shining a laser pointer on the true underlying issues. We have become a society terrified of mental health issues.
This has been one of the best discussions I've heard on this subject. I thank God that open and honest discussion is beginning before any more damage is perpetrated by those that should be protecting the population.
I actually always thought changing your sex was actually a mental health issue
It sort of is
Thank you for having a well rounded and rational conversation about this issue.
All brave and informative guests. Thank you for your courage here as well. The poor kids, and even parents who can be mislead and misinformed even by data not disclosed and treatments withheld. These are big and complex issues. Glad to hear the tide turning in Europe glad to hear some optimism in some of your guests. I pray we can do right by the children.
I am wowed by the honest talking and transparent open feedbacking on these important,issues.
Thank u for letting this happen.
Walt Heyer’s story is so spot on for the majority of those who are transgender-they experience some sort of trauma/abuse (usually sexual) and because of that, their view of themselves becomes skewed. With this current push to encourage, promote, de-stigmatize transgenderism, and to normalize it, we are pushing serious issues that must be dealt with in order to have a functional, productive life. Moreover, it allows the perpetrators of those atrocities to avoid prosecution since transgenderism is normalized instead of saying this is atypical, abnormal behavior that is often rooted in some sort of abuse or trauma for which we need to evaluate.
As a child I went to my mother and told her my concerns about my gender.♀️♂️ Her explanation was "well now you are a boy. In a last life you were girl. In your next life you could be a girl again" 🎎My mother being a Buddhist normalised what might have been a real problem. Not a cure but for child's mind a plausible explanation ☯️ I am now 👴and very happy to be male
This is a powerful and important episode. I love everything Megyn does, but this is one of the best.
Thank you, so much, to both Walt and Grace. Your courage and honesty will, I believe, save many lives.
Can we all agree that Grace looks WAY better as a girl?
She's beautiful!
I loved all your guests as well. I really enjoyed your compassion and respect for all.
Megyn Kelly and Devil May Care continue to provide important coverage of topics in a respectful and comprehensive manner.
Much needed dialogue, thank you!
Megyn be popping out this episodes like crazy! She works super super hard!
fantasic episode. so much bravery and invaluable information. Thank you Megyn, Walt & Grace. Truly
Thanks for sharing your stories. We need more people like this to share the truth.
Very informative. I guess we need A LOT more programs like that, in order to save identities, pain and lives!