Kindergartner Disappears After Road Trip with Mother | Timmothy Pitzen Case Analysis
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- Опубликовано: 31 окт 2022
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So, in short, she hated her husband more than she loved her son. This tragedy sadly repeats itself much too often.
Actually The strongest predictive factors of maternal child homicide are maternal age, education, lone parenting and late or absent prenatal care. Men, as opposed to women, who kill their children are more likely to kill older children, are more likely to be unemployed, are more likely to be facing separation from their spouse, and are more likely to abuse alcohol or drugs. Fathers are more likely to kill when there is doubt about paternity and when the child is viewed as an impediment to their career
So yes sadly this happens, both men and women commit filicide.
But the contexts are vastly different.
There is a good chance she was mentally ill, not thinking clearly,
I don't think she loved her son at all. She viewed him as an object she and she alone owned.
@@86sineadw women do it more though
@@johnhawthorn5393 It was once thought that mothers commit filicide at a greater rate than fathers. But more recent evidence suggests that fathers are equally or more likely to murder their offspring. Younger children are at a greater risk of fatal harm from mothers. But older children are more often killed by their fathers, and it has been found that more men than women committed homicides in which the victims were their biological children, rather than stepchildren.
I think the point is that circumstances and context are important when we are labeling one population as the main perpetrator. I'm sure it's culturally dependent and socioeconomic status plays a role as well. So when we check statistics, it will vary from country to country. I wouldn't be surprised if income inequality, access to free health care, and population density play a role too.
The poor boy. The horror from being betrayed by your own mother, at that age, is unimaginable.
Not for those, who got to live...
poor Timmothy, i hope his soul is in peace wherever his selfish mom took him.
And from being named Timmothy.
His LAST FUN before being murdered!
I just feel terrible for the father. He still genuinely believes his son is out there waiting to be found. How tragic.
If it were my children and there was any doubt whether they were dead or alive I would have to hold out hope. I honestly wouldn’t want to live in a world without my children so I would cling to anything I could if it wasn’t positive that they were gone.
I know a lot of people think Timmothy is out there in some underground adoption, but I've always felt in my core this exact scenario is what played out. She wanted a fun couple of days with him, before their death.
I thought the same thing.
My hope has always been and still is that she handed him off to a loving couple somewhere.... Reality says it's not likely.
@@IDontSuckAtLifeakaJanis3975 sad, but true 😔
Agree, Kate.
Their death? I know nothing about this case. This is the first I've heard of it and I'm not even through this video yet. I find it highly suspect that a lot of these suicide/murders end up is just murders , because the person doing the acts loses the urge to continue...when it comes to killing themselves.
Dr. Grande nailed it. Timmothy was nothing more than an extension of her identity..."I am Supermom!" And when the myth of Supermom dies, so must the accessory-ahem, child. Very sad and twisted. I feel for the father, who may never get the closure needed for his peace of mind.
She was a malignant narcissist.
@@nhmooytis7058 DSM-V?
Explains Diane Schuler as well.
@@psychadelicpotato8580 no my personal experience with a malignant narcissist mother.
She was married four or five times before and Timothy's father thought he couldn't have kids, what do you want to bet that Timothy wasn't even the husband's child by blood and she was afraid of her lies coming to light if the husband gained custody, so she got rid of poor little Timmy who deserved none of this before taking her own miserable life.
She killed her son, but purposefully left doubt that he could be alive. How evil.
It's basically the only thing worse than having your child die...
Can't imagine what the father is going through. Believing all your life that you're sterile and then having a child and then losing him this way
This case has always bothered me. That poor child.
Bless that little lad. To be at the mercy of another's terrible depression.
The number of people who think they own their children and can do whatever they want with them still surprises me.
This is so tragic and cruel. I hope someday they can find Timothy's remains. The family needs the certainty of knowing if he is truly dead or alive.
I've watched this case on tv and I also think she killed Timmothy. A six year old would be pretty hard to hide away. They have a good sense of self at that age and he could have told anyone who he was. Poor little guy.
The unknowns in this story are the most heart breaking and maddening aspects to the whole case. For the people left behind, namely Timothy's father, my heart truly goes out to him. I couldn't imagine waking up even one day and not knowing where my 7 year old son is. It was a selfish act the mom committed for all people involved. Thanks for bringing light to this distant story. 💔
*Timmothy’s. Dr. Grande literally spelt it out in the video.
@@icturner23 wow. Just wow
@@icturner23 Do you know how to spell pedantic? Petty? Insignificant?
@@aarondavis8943 Spelling a murdered child’s name correctly isn’t pedantic or petty. Spelling it wrongly isn’t insignificant - it’s highly disrespectful and lazy.
@@shymickey6 What?
As a mother of a 4 year old I can’t fathom hurting my kid. I just cant possibly wrap my head around what that woman did to her son. He looked like a blessing of a baby…. What an absolute disgrace
I live in the area and am very familiar with this case. I hope one day his body can be recovered and his family can get some sort of peace.
The fact she was firmly against the dad having custody, it’s a classic case of “If I can’t have you,no one else can”. She most definitely killed him. Poor Timmothy
So heartbreaking. What a beautiful boy. I have a first grader and can't imagine what makes people hurt their babies. My gosh, it's just soul crushing. 😔
Such a sad case where the family doesn’t know for sure what happened to Timothy, except for Amy. Thank you for the video Dr. Grande, keep up the great work!
Timothy died decades ago. Timmothy on the other hand, was never found.
Timmmothy is yet to be born. And Timmmmothh will probably mark the heath death of the universe.
Any knew - she doesn’t know now. She’s dead.
@@okarowarrior So if Timmmmothh will mark the death of moorland will Timmmmothy mark the heat death of the universe?
@@icturner23 Right. I misspelled the name of the deity, indeed, my friend. I meant Timmmmothy, not Timmmmothh. Timmmmothh is a Lovecraft's fictional character.
So sad. I cannot imagine being in a state where you are capable of hurting your own kid or anyone's kids.
It's pretty messed up.
100% spot on. Truly vindictive woman.
What a heartless mother , I am crying for the poor boy. Thank you Dr Grande for True analysis it's True in all you said.
My opinion is that Amy-Jo took Timmothy's life. If she did, I feel it was cruel to tell family that he was safe and being cared for, leaving them with hope that he was still alive. This was the same thing that Lori Vallow-Daybell said about Tylee & JJ. I will just say this as there are only a few similarities between the two cases. Thank you, Dr. Grande.
I agree!! Just like Lori and Alex taking JJ and Tylee to Yellowstone Park. That photo says it all at Yellowstone
Giving already distressed people hope is indeed cruel. It's a way to assure they will never find closure.
@@xminusone1 and to escape being dubbed a killer
Giving people hope to recover him is just cruel. It's a way to assure they never find closure.
I can't imagine Despising your Spouse So Much , you take his Child away, and he's Never seen again! Beyond Cold-blooded, and Heartless!
I remember this case. I never bought her story about Timmothy being alive. How cruel to give hope like that to his father and family. Excellent analysis, Dr. Grande! ❤️
She was severely mentally ill and not in her right mind.
For all we know she truly could’ve thought that by killing him she was doing him a favor.
It’s sick but it does happen. Also, people who are suicidal tend to rewrite history which explains why she said he’d be safe when in reality was dead.
Oh, yeah, I can't wait to meet and date someone who has been married and divorced three times! And has mental health issues. The warning alarms in MY head would be so loud, I'd get a headache being around that person.
I excluded mental health problems when I was dating. I want a stable and happy life.
Just as bad as someone who has had 3 children by 3 different fathers or mothers
And here I am being told it's a red flag that I'm over 30 and never married. XD
Can you imagine how this feels for the grandparents? They lost their son and then their daughter and the grandchild named after their son.
Really hope Dr Grande could one day bring back the orange “I’m not diagnosing anybody “ t shirt 😢
“I’m not diagnosing anyone but man these people are crazier than outhouse rats.”
Whoa. Very sad and painful story. Life can be so ugly. I feel that he’s gone. She did it.
Good afternoon Dr Grande. What a tragic situation, but I also feel that Amy killed Timmothy before bringing an end to her life. My sympathy goes too the victim, his father and loved ones. I also feel if she couldn't have Timmothy no one could. Thank you Dr Grande. Brilliant analysis, tragic outcome and informative topic.
Hi Dr. Grande. I hope Amy rots in hell for not having any feelings or respect for her son. Just because she was depressed, doesn't mean her son had to be. Love your channel & see you on the next video, peace to you & your family as well, hugs, Janine Smiley🙂😀😍😎😇✌👍🆒️🚗🚘🏡⌚🛋🗻🌅🌌☕🍩☕🎂⌚🛋
This has shades of Casey Anthony. From jail, she told her parents she thought Caylee was safe and near by, knowing full well she was lying. This sounds like a typical case of if I can't have you, nobody will. Child custody cases almost always turn out badly for the child. Thanks for the excellent analysis, Dr. Grande.
She was nearby, in the woods in a laundry bag 😔😔 she's so demented
@@heathernikki5734 Yes, and how she didn't get convicted is beyond me. Her mom Cindy perjured herself on the stand is one reason. She said it was her on the computer searching for chlorophyll and the computer inadvertently switched to CHLOROFORM. Yeah, that happens to me all of the time.
@@cherzum It actually happens to me. However, a more recent search of phone and computer records found Cindy was at work, and could not have been on the home computer at the time of at least one crucial search.
@@sciencenotstigma9534 I guess anything is possible, but I have typed chlorophyll in several times and not once does it pull up chloroform. If she was at work, then why did Cindy say on the stand that it was HER on the home computer doing the search, not Casey? I watched her testify to that.
Also, if it wasn't her doing the computer search at home, then who was looking up chloroform?
Timmothy wasn’t a baby. He would remember his parents and elements of his life in general, and thus would have to agree to maintain the conspiracy. There’s sadly no chance that he’s alive.
Poor kiddo, he didn't do anything but be a little kid. I hadn't heard of this case, but it reinforces why people need help when they're suffering. This all could have been avoided if she just reached out for help. Thanks Dr Grande for the video, sad case. 😢
There are about 100 versions of this on RUclips
Most malignant narcissists are beyond help
It's an astute observation: that a person may feel close enough to another that their own self-loathing is extended to include that other. This wouldn't have occurred to me- despite the fact that it describes perfectly the relationship I had with my own mother. Thank you, as always, for sharing your perspective.
Hey Doc do you plan on revisiting the Delphi murder case now that there has been an arrest?
Yes. I am hoping he will cover that topic, too. Such a tragic case, can't imagine what the family and community have suffered through.
He will probably do it but so little is known to the public. There's not much new information to add.
“She loved timmothy so much that she extended her self hate onto him”. That’s a deep one. Takes one a little bit of time to ponder and process that 🤔
Dr. Grande should be hired as an investigator. He has researched and analyzed so many crimes. The modern Sherlock Holmes
Grande never fails to impress
“She loved her son so much that she extended her self-hate to him.” That’s an insightful and powerful statement that summarizes this case well.
This is an utterly sad story. Amy’s depression combined with her selfishness was a recipe for disaster. I can’t even imagine the pain Thimmothy’s father must have suffered. Poor child, he had his life cut short in such a horrific manner, it’s heartbreaking.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. Much appreciated.❤
This is such a heartbreaking case. That poor little boy.
This is why co dependency in parenting is dangerous. Having a purpose in life is more than having a child. It sounds like she did not know herself before becoming a mom? Sad because parenting is only part of your life. Thank you 🤔❤🇺🇸
You're absolutely correct and I want to add so is having a partner both.
@@jenniferlane9000 we are both humans right? I will be very honest with you. I miss having a baby around but … there is no man American 🇺🇸 or not that I would try to trap. I know this sounds cliche and there is a part of me that struggles with it but…. Love ❤ does not hold a person back but knows when they hold the Royal flush of their life. Yeah that is deep for me too! Blessings 🤔❤🇺🇸
What a ridiculous and selfish statement
@@johnhawthorn5393 no it's not..a person was a person before they had a child, a person was a person before they had a partner. It's sad when someone can't see this and it's totally co dependency.
Thank you for your analysis of this tragic case Dr. Grande. One can only hope and pray that Timmothy will be found.
Wish the father didn't tell her about custody. So utterly sad for the son and Dad.
heartbreaking, tragedy, so sorry for everyone who knew & loved little Timmothy.
Hope the father watches this video. It's horrible what she did and you deserved to go on and have children with a better woman. Incredibly sorry for your loss. You are a crime victim and I hope you are able to get therapy and support. The boy you raised was obviously happy and well-adjusted and felt loved. You gave him that. So, be proud man.
I love falling asleep to your narration. I'm usually out in less than 10 mins, then have to listen to the video again the next day 😂
It hurts my heart because I grew up as a little kid watching Robert Stack on Unsolved Mysteries and as 32 year-old I cannot stand unsolved murder stories; it makes my skin crawl; I like justice being served.
Yea I jus watched the “Marliz” case on the new Unsolved Mysteries and it left me feeling sad. I’m gonna stick to Forensic Files for old true crime shows cus I hate seeing loved ones not have closure for decades
I was going to say this case sounds like one I saw on unsolved mysteries but I think the timelines off for it to be about this very case.
I stopped watching unsolved mysteries because i need to know what happened!
Thank you for the video. I would love to see a video about the major personality disorders that contribute to most of criminal cases that you analyze on your channel and a general guidline how to prevent them as a parent.
I agree
It's questionable as to whether a major personality disorder can be prevented. I doubt they can be so I'd be surprised if there was a guideline for that.
@@mikebrown5191 I think the key is normalized child abuse that starts with single mother households and a near complete lack of responsibility, in fact tax paid to avoid commitment before pregnancy and to profit from divorcing as many legal marriages as possible. I know, I was born into childhood sexual slavery to a hard core dope head missing part of my brain. I was rescued from a mental hospital to be medicated for ADHD and returned to my birthing person like a robot by a dedicated Christian couple involved in Foster Care wanting to Adopt children from the hardest of abuse cases. I have severe Socialized Anxiety Disorders that finish off in the land of Dissociate Personality Disorders, but thanks to the early intervention without medication, these two people saved me from becoming sociopathic or schizophrenic. I am also self aware, completely at peace with my past, self teaching and motivated to always improve following God's path for my life. I have become my own doctor of psychiatry when the pill mill neurologist and stigma indoctrinated psychologist takeover of private medicine forced me to, even though it was Welfare and Child Support that indirectly causes the seizures that ended my career and ability to have a Driver's License anymore. No help, just homelessness after I couldn't keep a job because of "untreatable" seizures, until my Adopted Parents got me an attorney and I finally got onto SSDI five years later with no payback for the years of paying a doctor to judge the seizures my fault, eventually supporting my suicidality instead of being honest about what was really wrong and the medication I actually needed, or at least referring me to a psychiatrist because I couldn't afford the sleep specialist and the $10,000 and two months of testing three states away to force him to tell the truth without all the other trouble and mental health penalties on my record as I was picked up out of public by ambulance as someone else freaked out, over and over never solving the actual seizures, with the hospital bills off into the seven digits until I finally could figure it all out on my own and retire to taking care of myself. Mental illnesses (aka personality disorders) start in the womb by Satanic people having children outside of Spiritual wedlock.
The thing well many things that's disturbing is the weeds and tall grass in the rear of the car .. did she just leave him in a field , it's disgusting ,..little children are so innocent and they always pay the price because of crazy adults .
Who was the woman she went on the trip to the Bahamas with? Was she investigated?
We are told not to talk to strangers because they can lure us away, harm us and kill us. But what is it like to be lured away, lulled into thinking we are on a wonderful trip and be murdered by our mother, the very person that is supposed to protect us from people that did the very thing that she did to her son?
It's reallt sad that the family can't have closure because of her selfish actions
I hate when I hear that one parent told the other that they will lose custody, or never see their child again. Unless that parent is a danger to the child. Otherwise that is a threat that should never be made. Ultimately it hurts the child, or worse pushes a parent into doing something unthinkable. I hope that boy is out there somewhere, alive and doing well, but it seems highly unlikely.
Man what kind of a mother who claim to love her child and then kill him?!!. Mother or father, if your fate is doomed, please don't involve your children in your mess. "found people they will take care of him"!!!!. Who's the best to take care of a child but his own cherishing mother. A selfish mother claiming to be all cherishing and loving. What a disgrace!!
It is easier to have children than it is to have to get a driver's license.Amy should have never had children. She took the cowardly way out and I fear she took her son with her. So sad.
Your voice and demeanor are so calming/relaxing. Your beautiful personality/character saturates your channel… thanks for educating me on some different aspects of psychology/human behaviour
This is such a sad case. At the time, noone knew what to think. I listen to your stories everyday and have noticed how detailed you are in the descriptions. For example: the distances between towns. Today it was very strange to hear you talk of places that I know very well since I live in Illinois.
Random fact: The term kindergarten came from and means "child garden" in German
Thank you for sharing your insight on this tragic case, Dr. Grande. Yes, Timmothy was murdered by his mother because he was viewed merely as an extension of herself, and she could no longer endure the troubles that overwhelmed her by having that part of her forcibly removed by her son's father.
Yep. I'm so sorry for the dad and those who think he's still alive, but it's clear he's not based on her behaviour and past actions. Poor wee boy and the family who truly loved him.
I will never understand people that kill their kids.
Dr Grande coming through with content to keep you in the know with allllllll the facts.
Excellent video and you were SPOT on. I knew this was the case when I first learned about this case. It’s unfortunate truly and horrific for the little boy. Great job Dr. Grande!!!
Your analysis on this one was impressive. This one got to me, and I appreciated your thoughtfulness in telling the facts of this story especially for Timothy. Aunt Diane on HBO doc
Dr. Grande is da 💣. (Do people still say this?)
Definitely not only middle aged nerds just like when it came out
There is little doubt what happened. She murdered her son. Poor husband, she hurt him horribly too.
Dr. G, there's a story about Steve Pankey, who murdered a 12 year old girl, Jonelle Matthews, that you might be interested in. He was recently convicted of this case where Jonelle had been missing for over 40 years.
I just couldn't understand what the motive was for hiding his body and lying on the suicide note. I realized that she probably cared alot about her projected image. She didn't want the world to believe she actually killed her son, let alone admit it to herself and put it in writing. She wanted the world to believe after she was gone that Tim was out there safe and he would never be found. It was like a warning saying you'll never find him so don't bother looking cause you're wasting time. Cause I buried him deep in the forest and can't admit it to myself. That's my two cents.
Best RUclipsr Dr Grande!!
Dr. Grande can you please make a video elaborating on the ending of this one - a person viewing two relationships as one, seeing a child as an object or part of you, love hate, extending self hate to the one you love?
I concur Dr. Grande, I also believe she unalived her son. The father believes he's alive because a loving parent never gives up of the hopes and dreams of their offspring.
A very sad one Dr Grande ...thank you for sharing .for this poor Lil soul & his actual decent loving family ...bless them
Spot on Dr Grande. Such a good and true analysis. It's so sad when people with serious mental health problems think children will make them feel better...
This story brought tears to my eyes😥😥. What a sad state of affairs giving life and taking it out of fear and causing terrible grief and pain to James and her family. Tragic !!! Yes I agree with all the points you highlighted excellent. Your analysis seemed logical to me.
nothing like killing your son to spite your husband
You're the best, Dr.Grande!
She considered him hers, and she said she could do what she wanted, Sadly.💔💔💔💙💙💙
So sad that Amy didn’t realize that her urges were proof that James should get custody.
Thank you Dr Grande finally someone sane sees and says the truth.!! I ger very frustrated with people who believe that he's still alive ."oh he's with the Amish "-"oh she handed him off to somebody "...you know I can see that maybe the dad or somebody has to believe these things to deal with such a tragedy, but I mean the writing is clearly on the wall.. especially with the dirt and grass and whatever on her car. I tell you what though if I was that father I would be walking 500 miles to every single spot I could dream of to look for my son's body. it seems like maybe his delusion that the child is alive has stopped him or law enforcement apparently from doing all they can to find the body. it seems like almost nobody can say the words that they believe the child is DEAD..you are the first person I've ever seen that can see and say the truth .and thank you so much for that.
Good morning Dr. Grande, what a sad video. I agree with you that Timmothy is dead. Amy couldn't see beyond see own view of reality. If she couldn't have Timmothy, no one could. So she killed him. Amy saw death for herself an escape. Depression is a bitch. I should know, I suffer from Clinical depression. Great video.
Waited all day for this.
Thanks Doc!
There are so many things in this case that the public never got to know. Like the Triaminic kids cough medicine bottle found in the hotel- did Timmothy have a cold? Amy bought her son a lot of items pointlessly if she was just going to kill him. However, I agree it is the most likely scenario. I don't know if this could have been avoided, but parents should never use the threat of taking the child away from the other. It's selfish and it could also endanger the child.
I tune in to your videos in the background to listen while at work! thanks for the content.
The most simple explanation is usually the true explanation. You nailed it Dr G
Dr. Grande always putting in work
Thanks DR.GRANDE, another great analysis, RIP TIMOTHY
Yeow! I hadn’t heard about this case. I’m not far from Sterling and Mt. Carroll, IL. Both are small towns, especially the latter.
Shocking & sad- poor baby-
Agree 100% with your analysis
This is the perfect sort of case for you to cover because it seems there is something psychological behind it
Honestly, anyone that Amy was close enough with to entrust her son to and who were capable of hiding him from the authorities, her husband would have known of them, or her best friend would.
Kid's definitely dead. Too bad they didn't use the dogs around nearby spots matching the evidence on her car and verify it.
I’m originally from Rockford, IL and a new follower of yours. Had no idea about this case! I was around high school age when this happened, and I don’t recall there ever being any media about this. Crazy to hear. Very great coverage on the case itself and love your work!
Great video. Thanks much gratitude
WHY don't these destructive people take themselves out first?! Children should never be pawns in their brokenness 😡☹️🤦🏾♀️
Good Morning, Dr. Grande!
Thank you as always!
Wow this analysis was spot on.
Insightful analysis into a tragedy. I derive so much from your quality videos.
Thanks for covering this case. You do a spectacular job and added in details I never knew to help understand what may have happened.
Just to let you know every day I say hello Dr. Grande when you say your opening greeting. Lol!😀😃😄😁😆
Another great video!!!!
I could see her running away with her son out of fear.... But murdering him? Omg.....