Which Nikon Camera Should You Buy? Z6, Z7, D850, D5
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If you're in the market for a new Nikon Full Frame FX Camera and you're not sure what the differences are, this video is for you. Even though Nikon has more than four full frame cameras on the market currently, I only consider these four to be the ones I would purchase new. The Nikon Z7, Z6, D850 and D5. The Nikon D750 which is a fantastic camera is on it's last legs and lacks some modern features. The Nikon Df, well, yea, that was DOA.
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I got a D850 less than a week ago after spending days on end just comparing and weighing different options. It was a very difficult decision with all the great Nikons in the market right now and with the mirrorless market boom that we saw in 2018.
Even though I agree that mirrorless is the future, but I thought that I’d still be more comfortable going with the D850. The Z6 especially seems like a great camera, but I decided to skip this generation and maybe the next before I jump into Nikon mirrorless. I am a hobbyist and I don’t make money out of photography, so to be an early adopter and taking risks and dealing with the shortcomings of a first generation mirrorless is a big risk for me. Had I bought one of the new cameras, and regretted my decision afterwards, I won’t have the ability to rectify it in a short amount of time, so I decided to go with the true and tested D850.
Thanks for the excellent reviews and videos Jared.
fantastic ....you done yourself a great job....keeping in mind the mirror less is the future and is coming along great...so worth the wait.....
I got my D850 in Jan. last year. Back then the Z6/7 were no option, but anticipated. I chose to go with the D850 instead of waiting, because I knew: Nikon (or Canon) will have a hard time to compete with what Sony does and their first steps will - although not childish - be still in need for evolution. Now with both of them out, I am not sorry for going D850! Since I have no use in Video (I still do TimeLapse), the D850 is the more reliable solution. She does so many things right and combines almost everything I can wish for.
Almost? Well, EVF and IBIS are things to concider. They are fantastic to have and help you to get the shots you want. Switching from EVF to OVF was noticable for me, but actualy I got it working quite well. D850's light metering is good and the settings are quite flexible, giving me the results I want.
Personaly, most of the time I shoot with: Aperture Priority, Easy Exposure Compensation On (mostly +1,3 or +1.7), Highlight-Metering, Auto ISO (set to 64 up to 6400) with minimum Shutter Speed set to faster (one over double the focal length). 90% that gets me good results without any other changes, just like that. Can't say I miss EVF for exposure too much - but sure for other features.
Would I switch to a Z down the road? I would have to look at Z7Mk2 or Z7Mk3 first to decide that, because I already am quite happy with my D850. Also I am very disappointed with Nikons Lens Road Map, which means the body would have to be that much better to convince me. Nikon would have to fix issues like banding, card slots, battery grip, etc first in order to be on par with their D850. So for the moment, no, I'm not concidering it.
Good thinking in my opinion.
In 10 years when they perfect mirrorless I'll get one. Until then I'll keep my D850.
You have verbatim put my thoughts about which Nikon to buy...Kudos!!!!
I can see myself picking up a D850 in the future as a collection item. It's the last great DSLR.
Then came the D780.
@@paulchristopher7817 well...yes but no! D850 will go down in history as the "last" greatest DSLR of all time.
@@Apaleutos24 1dx mk iii??? Unless you mean in a more symbolic way ofc-
I'm a pro d850 shooter that was either going to get a second d850 as a backup, or jump into one of the mirrorless Z's, as I believe these types of cameras are the future. I thought and thought, and settled on a Z6, mostly because I do a lot of work in very low light and thought it would improve my work on the d850 in those particular situations. After a couple shoots I've learned a few things:
1. I was shooting the Z series totally comfortably on the first day. If you are a Nikon DSLR shooter, these cameras and their controls will feel incredibly familiar in your hands - bravo to Nikon for that. The EVF, something I've never liked before on other cameras, was incredibly crisp and wonderful to use.
2. On the Z6, in the very low light situations which I got the camera for, I was disappointed in the image quality compared to what I've become used to from the d850. Even at reasonable ISO's, the quality and amount of the noise is significantly worse. I was able to get images looking good in time, but with WAY more post production than the d850 images required. If I was comparing the performance in very low light between the d850 and the Z6, I would give the nod to the d850 for sure.
3. In more normal light situations, shooting the Z6 is a total blast, and the images were fantastic. But, as one would expect with the different sensors, they do not compete with the d850 when you look at fine detail. That said, when adjusting for the difference in camera cost, I think the Z6 will make many people incredibly happy. The images were great.
4. I thought I would just use it for low light, but I loved the ergonomics of shooting it so much I want to use it all the time, but for me the Z6 wasn't enough. I've realized that as a d850 snob, the Z6 doesn't have the chops for me to continue owning. So, tomorrow I'm taking it back and getting the Z7 - essentially identical sensor to the d850, with all the joy of shooting this small, wonderful to use, mirrorless package. Excited!
Jimmy Hayes great read. So how’s the Z7 after a week?
@@themondoshow Well, haven't taken it through a full shoot yet, but in all my test shots I've been thrilled with the resolution as compared to the Z6, both at lower and higher ISO's in studio conditions. At this early stage, it has probably surpassed my expectations in terms of picture quality. Knowing how much I liked the ergonomics form my spell with the ergonomically identical Z6, I remain very optimistic!!
Could you put in such comments regarding Z7 too? Thanks in advance
Nabarun Majumdar Unfortunately I don’t have the time to go too deep into it now, but I’m finding that I don’t ever reach for the Z7 over the 850. I still find that there is an unappealing quality to the very fine noise in the photos that I don’t get with my 850 - mostly in the color detail. It’s a nit picky thing, but it keeps me from using the camera much at all. At this point, I would say that Id much rather have bought a second 850. Since I’m using my f-mount lenses on the ftz adapter, there is not much benefit realized from the smaller size of the camera body.. The Z7 with my sigma art 1.4 50 is still a big heavy rig... I plan to try a Z mount lens or two and hopefully that improved the fine detail, because the only other thing i can think of that might be causing the slightly lackluster performance is the adapter... I’d say it could be my technique, but my photos on the 850 are tight.. hope that helps.
Jimmy Hayes thanks for the valuable information...i am myself primarily a wildlife and secondarily a landscape photographer, hence was is serious trouble opting for the 850 or the Z7 (z7 providing far better autofocus capabilities in theory but the noise and other factors are a big concern for me actually)
I choose D850 and Z6
Dynamic Duo, complete each other
steve blow that’s what I have hahaha
The perfect combo!
you can’t do that, that just cheated and made the perfect camera
steve blow ok fatcat!
I will be fine with that two dslr
Jared, after watching about 6 of your video's on the Z7, Z7ii, Z6ii and Z6, I learned so much that I knew what I needed commensurate with my skills and my desire, AND my wallet, so I just ordered the Z6 with 2 lens, and a lens attachment to enjoy my F4s camera lenses again. That is so exciting and I appreciate the enormous skill and findings you share in your video's. Thank you!
I do mostly landscape photography. What I like about the Z7 is the custom configurability of it’s controls and screen (vs. my D750). As a tool, it enables me to do capturing techniques like focus stacking and multi-exposures faster and easier. The EVF enables better focusing during low light sunrise/sunset situations ... like a night scope.
I've been using a Z7 for several months, and now a Z6, and I have barely used my D850/D810/D800 since. These Z-cameras are amazing, with features like in-body image stabilization (IBIS), edge-to-edge AF points, live image preview, live histogram in the viewfinder, silent shooting, extreme lens sharpness, a lack of chromatic aberrations, Bluetooth and Wi-Fi built in (with SmartPhone and PC/Mac connectivity), 10-bit 4K 4:2:2 N-Log video, and a much lighter weight. In fact, since I've been using the Nikon Z-cameras, my DSLRs now feel bloated and heavy. I agree with Jared on this one.
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Excellent and comprehensive video for the rapidly changing camera technology. I sold my D5 and kept my D850 and I also purchased the Z6. I am a stills shooter and video is not an issue. The lack a a real battery grip is even more of an issue for me than only having one XQD card slot. Overall I think that Nikon did a pretty good job for the first generation mirrorless Z6. I have done some low light dance performances with my Z6 and I was pleasantly surprised. I used the low light AF function (-4 EV) with both auto area and dynamic area AF and I found this to be close to the low light auto focus capabilities of my DSLRs. Having image and exposure preview in the Z6 before the shot is a huge advantage over DSLRs for rapidly changing live theater lighting without using flash! I am now shooting my D850 when I am using a speedlight and my Z6 primarily for ambient light like live dance performances. Not having a full functioning battery grip is a big minus though. The D850 just works better for me when when I am shooting indoor and outdoor events with fill flash. One thing that Nikon simply must do is to issue periodic firmware updates for the Z6 and Z7 and to not rest on their laurels. Some of the weakness of their new mirrorless cameras can be fixed with firmware updates. I won't purchase another Nikon camera until they release the professional mirrorless camera (Z9?) with professional functionality and features. The D6 would be fine for professional sports photographers in the short term but not for the rest of us in the long term.
I just bought a D750 as my first full frame camera. For $1300 on amazon you can't beat it. should be an excellent upgrade from my D3300.
Jonathon Hurley I also have the D3300 and wondering if I should go for a D750 or directly to D850.
@@GeraldineJulie1 I also have the D3300 but i'm looking for the Z6. Although I should sell almost all my APS-C gear
Good starter camera but the problem is with high ISO... even 6400 seems grainy.
FOR SURE
@@GeraldineJulie1 not the d850. Unless you know what you are doing its a gigantic jump
I’m currently using the d850 and had a D4s. For my needs the D850 is perfect. The dynamic range is crazy close to a medium format.
I was super exited to buy the Z 6, but ended up going with D500 and 200-500mm lens. I love everything the mirrorless Z 6 offers, but I realized I need a crop sensor to get that extra distance with my wildlife photography. A D5, or D850, would be good too, but their prices are still too expensive, even used.
You could have used the Z6 with a DX lens to get that crop. Plus the full frame censor in the Z6 allows you to crop in manually in post if you want to get that exact frame you want. Essentially it gives you more control over the end product. But it comes down to user preference a lot for sure. I have a Z6 and I do have one DX lens that I got brand new for roughly $300 and it zooms in like crazy far.
I weighed all my options and thought it better to buy the "last DSLR" than the first [Nikon] mirrorless...
I think that's the best option!!!
Smart move
Weak
ET someones jealous
But in 2020 mirror less are going well and have more capabilities as campare to the DSLR cameras
its not about having the best or the latest greatest cameras/lenses.. Its about going out and shoot with whatever you have.
Mega Color yup, but sooner or later it’s you nice match the gear with the skill level to really break the envelope wide open.
In part you are right but technology has paved the road for better functionality. One such thing is the auto eye focus and focus points across the lens. The z line camera and lenses let you do that. Its a plus for portraits.
This is true, if you’re not a professional and still learning.
It quickly gets outdated when you have clients up on your ass and you have to deliver quality images.
Different situations require different gear.
For years I waited to buy a professional camera and finally choose the D850. Its robust and love the body. Mirrorless came out right after but I’m still happy with my D850. Maybe in 5 years I will go mirrorless but am quite happy now. Something new always comes out later so why jump just cause mirrorless came out. It may be the future but the future lays changes. Let them perfect it and in 5+ years I will buy and have 2 Great cameras. I bet my 850 will still be working and may even be a collectors item one day!
Lucky if DSLR camera will last 10 years.
At least I will get my moneys worth. When I do upgrade it will be worth the $ and updates on a mirror will be more advanced. I don’t like chasing upgrades year after year.
It’s been 4 years now, any update?
@@Rocky-eq3ng Nope. Still love the D850. Let me see what is out there now.
I'm a hybrid person and have a D500. Z6 is calling my name for my first full frame.
@@PocketDelicious Your 5600 has only one card slot, similar to the Z6. This to me is only a factor if you would be missing that with already owning a two card slot camera. The reason I like my D500 is because of two card slots Nothing else really stood out over the Z6 that I would keep my D500 for. Better battery life maybe.
Sedric Beasley half Siri?
@@PocketDelicious What do you call "Nikon mirrorless issues"? I also have a D5600 and think of upgrading to the mirrorless world, still at Nikon. So going full frame will be on the table.
Jason Persilver trust me you want full frame. i also own the d500 with some fancy lensen and its phenomenal - but
you gotta get the FX
Okay, you firmed my decision to get the Z6. Nice comparison!
I own all these cameras. With the Z I find myself fighting to acquire proper focus in many situations where my DSLRs nails it, this is the biggest drawback to the Z.
I need a camera that focuses above anything else otherwise, all the bells and whistles of a mirrorless are mute. The video aspect is so clearly superior in the Z mirrorless I appreciate Nikon addressing that area. More than most I wished Nikon had "reinvented mirrorless" the sad truth is Nikon did not - Hype vs Vision. Jared, Thanks for your opinion and appreciate your enthusiasm - I been with Nikon since the Minolta XD11 days when I switched over and probably be with Nikon for life.
I own the D5, D850, D500 and have had the Z7. What he fails to mention is that with the D5 and D850 all of the controls are in the same location as previous high end Nikon pro level camera. The Z series cameras have different control layouts, so it is harder to switch between those cameras and the DSLR bodies and be able to 'just know' where the controls are without having to look. I can pick up my D5, D850, or D500 and it doesn't matter because all the controls are the same and in the same places. Not so for the Z series bodies. This makes it hard on long time Nikon users, like myself, who have memorized control locations and can just pick up a body and shoot. For action photographers, being able to change controls while still shooting and not having to stop to look, is a big deal.
Do you prefer the D5 or D850? I shoot motorsport and drag racing. Having a hard time picking what I want, I love the idea of the iso on the D5 and the ability to have extremely clear night shots (from low MP) but I’m worried the D850 will be too slow to catch some of the shots I want on raw files.
I own a D500 and I shoot sports, mostly basketball in low light. Would I be able to shoot with the D850 as I'm able to with my D500?? I love the 3D focusing system, but do they work the same??
@@MPHshootsReviews D850 as good as D5 in low light with Z6ii being better still. D5 is known to have better AF than D850.
Nikon D750 with a Tamron 24-70mm 2.8 G2. Nikon D500 with a Tamron 70-200mm 2.8 G2. Best cost / performance / weight scenario.
@@PocketDelicious same lol
I'll take the D5 thank you, I just need someone to give me the money to pay for it.
My D800e and D4 still kick butt! As a stills shooter, this combo is wonderful for a variety of use cases...even in 2019!
Steve Mattson I mean what have changed? Light hasn’t changed, people or animals or cars aren’t moving faster, so 2012 or 2019, it doesn’t matter when you use a camera, what matters are the skills of the person behind it.
I agree. But those aren't just your average older cameras. There is something special about both those cameras.
D800 series is timeless when it comes to stills
@@chillipompom5263 Totally agree...I prefer the output of my D800e's over that of my D850 (which I sold).
@@RodrigoAReyes95 Right on! I agree...I have found the greatest, most powerful variable in photography is light and how to manipulate it. You could have the newest, most expensive camera in the universe...but it is not worth anything unless you know how to compose, light, etc. I find the technological advances of today are amazing, but I am afraid the fundamentals are getting lost in the G.A.S. (Gear Aquisition Syndrome). :)
Got D850 + D5. Wonderful pair.
Did you ever make a video about which sensor format is best for certain situations?
If you know which format is right for you it's just a matter of price, comparing specs and trying cameras at a store.
But many people still think that a 35mm sensor is always an upgrade from an APS-C sensor even though the larger sensor might not always be the best choice.
For example, I take photos of animals, usually they are a bit further away. I would never choose a camera with a 35mm sensor for that. I would sacrifice the crop factor for low light performance that I don't need. I would have to carry a much heavier 150-600mm lens to get the same reach as my 100-400mm lens.
The D500 is still a pro camera even though it has "only" an APS-C sensor. But it doesn't have to hide behind the D5, it's just a camera for a different job.
Jared, your videos are great, Man! Always! Always very informational, informative, helpful, fun, etc. Sincerely, I appreciate all of the effort/time you put into making these videos (with help of course). It helps me out a lot!
I've been out of the photography game for a while, sold most of my Nikon equipment, but am thinking about getting back in and was unsure and apprehensive of these new mirrorless cameras. But after this video, I gotta say, I feel pretty comfortable with taking on a mirrorless (I'm thinking the Z6). The great auto-focus of mirrorless and quality of video (with silence) are very enticing features for myself, and you being so excited about them does instill confidence in myself as a former enthusiast.
I'm gonna have to check it out ;)
I'm currently using a D700 which I love. Only one card slot hasn't been a problem for me, although I'm well aware it is a risk. It does fill the buffer quite quickly though, and then stop taking pictures for what feels like an eternity as it empties, so it would be nice not to have that problem. The fact it's "only" 12 megapixels is fine too - the files aren't too big given I shoot all raw all the time, and so long as I compose decently it's not really lacking in detail, so I think it's a sweet spot. A better autofocus system and better high-ISO performance would be nice though. Other than that and the buffer issue I see no need to upgrade really, not for my purposes
D5 - over 3700 shots with one charge and has a fantastic build and huge buffer. You're not missing any shots with it and it's built to last.
I just bought a d850 because it takes the sharpest cleanest photos.
Hi Jared. Great video. I am old school and still love my Nikon D4s with my older Nikkor D lenses. It serves my needs and is built like a tank.
me too ! I love my Nikon d4s and d5 ! the news toys can not compare with pro dslr !
Just bought the Z7 two days ago. Also have the D500 (my first camera) - I did a lot of sports photos! I won a Canon D6MII but it divided my on brands and therefore on lenses and after much study and deliberation, I opted for the Z7 with adapter ring. I opted for the Z7 because 1, I'm not a videographer but a portrait photog and I still have the D500 10fps. So now I have the megapixels, and the lighter weight and I think I'm going to be very happy for several years where I'm now set. Thank you for all you do!
D850. Dslr all the way. Very helpful video
Perpetuousdreamer92 Dude really ? Dslr are dead love my z7 and z6 I have both worlds killer
Sold those giant turds I was
A Sony shooter never again will I shoot with dslrs
I agree, I shoot wildlife and I cant see one of the little toy camera's holding up to the elements, plus I hate adapters.Long live the DSLR!
@@gewglesux yes, a 10lb bass is fairly common...im in Arkansas
@@gewglesux lol...I understand..Lake Fork, Texas is probably your best bet, that lake is unreal. .It is stocked with Florida hybrid bass and has a slot of 18 to 24 inches I believe and although it sounds unreal an 18 inch bass can easily weigh 5.5 to 6lbs..I wouldnt have believed it if I hadnt been there several times and caught them..Here a 6lb bass is usually 23-25 inches
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I want to upgrade from D7500 to full frame and I'm tempted by the Z6. But, is it good for landscape?
Ive decided after sending my Canon 70D in for recall repair, I will NEVER purchase another Canon product. If your not a pro, they treat you as if you dont matter. They had my camera OVER a MONTH before sending me an estimate for a DIFFERENT repair and cleaning, NOT the recall work, it was ignored. So when I called, they tried to sell me an 80D and told me it was a FULL FRAME camera, which it is NOT. She was very pushy and cared more about selling me ANYthing (even tho she didnt know her product obviously) than repairing the camera I already have. Not to mention allowing my camera to sit OVER A MONTH before even READING the repair request enclosed. They tried to get out of doing the recall work, but would clean it and look at the focus issue that started with the 70/80 error message for a $250 charge. This is SUPPOSED to be a RECALL, NO CHARGE issue. Im disgusted with Canon. Theres NO possibility of speaking directly to the repair dept OR a Supervisor. Forget it. YOU DONT MATTER unless you are well known PROFESSIONAL
Great video, as usual, Jared. I still shoot weddings and events with a D7100 and a D750, with great results. If people think they become a better photographer by just buying a new camera, then they are sadly mistaken. My take is, the camera manufacturers are tying to survive because of how much their market has shrunk due to cellphones. It's all about marketing and pushing out new products. I bet within a year or two there will be new versions of the Z series. As far as mirrorless goes, I own a LX100 ( there's now a mark II ) that I use for street photography and it's so good that I'm willing to wait and see what the Lumix S1 and S1r are like, if I even decide to go full frame mirrorless. Indications are that they will blow everything else on the market away....for a large price. Time will tell, I'm in no rush. I'm old school and still "hobby shoot" with a N65.
just bought a D3, im a HS student and need something fast for sports, Used it for about a month so far and love
it!
D3 is a beast still
I shot numerous weddings and other events, model portfolios with my first D3 backed up by a D700. Excellent pro cameras. My first $5,000 D3 bought in 2008 had a problem with the electronics burning out. Nikon offered to repair it for $680 last year. I was looking at a D5 until I found a low shutter count refurbished D3 for $1,300 at B&H and snapped it up. Now a week ago or so I took delivery of a Z7. After testing it, my DSLRs are resting quietly in back of my equipment closet. I can’t get much for them but they are taking up valuable space.
Ken Konard, The main reason I got a d3 was a budget option for 11fps shooting, the af is fast and hopefully I won’t have any issues, I got it for 500 dollars a month or 2 ago and it’s a lot better than my d3400 that I started off with, for a full frame camera, it’s pretty cheap, I run it with a 70-200 2.8 and I get some pretty good shots of of it
Jonathan klein - The D3 is a great pro camera and a great upgrade. Good luck in your photography and best wishes.
By the way, try using the 3D autofocus tracking. It’s very popular with sports photographers and I used it about 90% of the time. It follows your target and keeps it in focus. If shooting a basketball game for instance, the focus point will follow a player even if another player gets in the way. I am retired now but still do a lot of shooting with friends.
@@lescobrandon3047 I tried the 3D tracking but for me it seamed to miss alot, I have ended up using the single point af, im still open to trying it more for football, but for basketball, i fells like i don't have control over what person it focuses on
Just like this comparison, can you make the Canon comparison (the ULTIMATE BATTLE) between the Canon EOS R, the 6D Mark II, the 5D Mark IV, and a 1DX Mark II? Jared?! Can you please do it?!
If he won't include a d750 in this review because of its age, he probably won't include the 5dsr because of its age.
Even though older cameras are still perfectly usable.
I know several people that still use the old 5d mk1 and 2, and take amazing photos with them.
yes.
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I personaly prefer DSLRs because i love to see how the reality looks like and this is what i want to get as a picture on a LCD you ser how you picture will look like but not how the real world looks like. But its everyones own preference
Ergonomics?? I shoot with my left eye so with my DSLRs, I always have my face pressed up against the glass -( 'aka 'zoo station syndrome'.)
The Z6 and Z7 have an extended viewfinder so my face clears the screen leaving room to adjust the joystick and controls. I'm loving it.
Zoo Station lyrics by U2:
'Time is a train
Makes the future the past
Leaves you standing in the station
Your face pressed up against the glass'
Cheers
Hamish
I bought the Nikon d850 at the time of putting in the first orders for the Z6 and 7 . Not so impressed with it ( yet) . But it took a long while to start really dialing in on the d810. The 810 is becoming one of my favorite cameras. I have the d500 and it instantly became my go to favorite camera. It’s so easy the use period. But the image quality of the d810 trumps it and the better I get a shooting with such high megapixel cameras the better I like them. So I think (for me ) I’ll have a learning curve with the d850. Higher megapixels is harder.
I almost wish I’d gone with a Z-6 . Even with the long weight . I shoot a ton of video these days . I actually got the d850 for video and the picture quality is phenomenal. Better than the d810 “yes” . But the Z system is definitely better for this type of work. And I’ll be getting a z6 this year sometime I think. Was going to get the BlackMagic Pocket Cinema 4K . But the Nikon system is going to be better for me at the moment. The cost of setting up the BMPCC 4K is actually more than the Nikon and more of a workaround camera . But it will have the BlackMagic Raw vs ProRes Raw. That’s with the Atomos Ninja 5 recorder. The future for Nikon is good . Please Nikon push the Mirrorless system to its limits. Don’t sit back and not give the customer “all “ they want. Follow suit with Fujifilm and not Sony. Fujifilm builds cameras and supports their customers. Sony pushes the envelope on technology and functions. That’s bad ass . But Fujifilm makes the Cameras easy to use , high quality build, high quality lenses and firmware updates all the time to make the cameras function better as things change .
Thanks Jarrod
I feel like, the argument for a D850 over a Z7 is pretty narrow. As in, I don’t see a lot of compelling reasons to choose a D850 over a Z7, there’s definitely reasons but they are fairly negligible in my opinion.
What I find interesting is that the Z6 almost seems positioned as a little brother to the D5 in terms of megapixel count, low light, and FPS. And for people who may not quite need the functionality of the full blown D5, they can get a very similarly functioning package with much newer tech at a third of the cost with the Z6. Very interesting product positioning there.
Omg ! I just ordered a Nikon Z6 .. Cant wait to get it ! :)))))
Would you recommend?
Yes , definately, yes ! I love it ! 🙂
Thank you, I'm currently in the cross road to select amongst all these 4 cameras (Z6, Z7, D850, D5). I have D750, D500 + 12 Nikkor D & G lenses. It would make sense to go for Z6.
Well done. I see your earlier skepticism on mirrorless has given way to enthusiasm.
Thanks Jared you are amazing, I've been debating for the last few months on which camera to buy.. D850 or Z7 but with your help I think I'm going to save go for the Z6 and invest in a new lens..
If you're just starting out with full frame, what about the D610? Still current and still a great camera, but can be picked up reasonably cheaply (well, much cheaper than a Z6) second hand. Small and light too.
Love your animated video's and frank comments!
Oh the research I've doing to make an upgrade, I hadn't even thought about mirrorless until a couple of months ago as a replacement for an F mount lens camera.........
Ordered the Z6+FTZ, selling my D610 but keeping my D810. To many F mount lenses to not keep both the D810 and Z6 and a working pair. Whats the worst that can happen, I sell it down the line.
I literally agonized over which one to buy for three weeks. I watched every review video, read every article, and just stressed. I am just trying to make something of my photography, so I am not rolling in money. It had to be one and only one. I have shot SLR, DSLR, 110 pocket cameras, range finders, etc. I have done dark room work and now Photoshop and Lightroom. So for me, even switching to digital when I did was a huge step (helped along by the losers who stole all of my film gear). I finally decided on the Z7 and nothing else has come close to the amazement I have felt with what these mirrorless can do. The EVF and all the features that go with it are mind blowing. To be able to actually see your exposure and depth of field in the view finder is, to me, mind blowing. I agree with Jared, DSLRs will soon be historical pieces. I hope that doesn't offend anyone, but I do believe it is true. That is another reason I went with the Z7. No regrets. If you are thinking of getting one, just do it!
Similar here. With no legacy F-mount glass I chose A7Rii. With deeper pockets I may have chosen differently but it works well for me. Enjoy.
@@guyjordan8201 I am actually lucky enough to have a number of F mount lenses already. I also picked up the 24-70 f2.8 (non-VR) with the Z7. I didn't buy any Z-mount lenses yet. But that new wide lens that is supposed to come out looks tempting!!!
Bought my D3100 in 2011, its been 10 years i squeezed a lot out of that d3100 its been a great cam for me, now i am in the market for an upgrade and things have changed a lot since then, i am more leaning towards mirrorless but i dont want that adaptor thing to use my old collection f mount lenses. If i go mirrorless way i will definitely go for Sony.
I'd be stepping up from another Nikon, so the Z6 looks like a good bet. Time to start investing in the future with the lenses and the experience and so forth. Spending more for an older tech like the D5 or the D850 simply doesn't interest me. I like the greater emphasis on video, too, that's been a long time coming. I totally understand the value of waiting, but my next camera will be a Nikon mirrorless.
incidentally, I've seen this same kind of discussion in so many contexts. "I'm not getting Windows XP, Windows 98 has all the bugs worked out and it will take years for them to iron out all the XP bugs." Or how about, "Nobody needs a SD card over 4 MB, and you're just risking so much more data with a 16 MB card. Just buy more 4 MB cards, it's proven technology." Within a year, nobody will admit to still owning a Nikon DSLR except a hobbyist poor-mouthing themselves, "Well, I'm not a pro, I just shoot flowers." We all know how this works out in the end, we've read this novel before.
Its 2022 and the D850 Sensor and AF is still as good as the Z7ii. I could buy a 7000€ Camera like a Z9 with the best glass and my best image would still be "worse" than the Image someone somewhere made with his D750/a6000/5d mk ii. Nikon and every other Company needs to sell new stuff and make you believe that you need the new tech. The D850 is still very very good. In many ways still better than the Z7 ii (Battery/AF/Build/Buttons/Lensoptions/Cost)
@@notsafefortorque9060 I totally get that. Is there a camera you could use those D850 lenses on that you could go out and buy now as an upgrade? I don't know, haven't looked into it. But I have a sneaking suspicion the upgrade possibilities for that kind of camera now are limited. And you may not care about upgradeability and will happily use the 850 until the day you die - but I do.
@@james5460 I can go out and buy a used Z8 ii or whatever in 7 years with used glass. Until then i buy my used f mount lenses and travel with the money I saved. But I changed how I think about Cameras some time ago. I used to get the newest and most shiny new Body, but now I am satisfied with what I have. My 350€ GR ii for example produces amazing pictures. Not the highest resolution ones but they don't need to look perfect to capture the story/the moment/a feeling. And I actually prefer the look of the old cameras sometimes. But that is just the style I like I guess. Nothing wrong to spend the money for the newest tech if that is what makes you happy and makes things easy for you. Sometimes the Newest Body, like the Z9 for example just gives you a better chance to capture the moment successfully. I get that.
Got the D850 and love it! High resolution cameras don’t pardon mistakes! Thanks to this camera I had to step my game up and be careful about the details because this camera retains everything and every detail! My next will probably be a Z7 or other future mirrorless camera!
Great video. A few things:
1. I would have loved to have seen the D750 up there just because it's kind of the DSLR equivalent of the Z6 (like the D850 is for the Z7).
2. A little explainer on what "extended high" mode on the Zs would have been helpful. If you want full AF and AE while shooting, you're limited to 5.5 FPS, so they're really nowhere near the D5 yet in terms of frame rate.
3. Re: the whole "one card slot" thing: something that a lot of people overlook is that if you're doing any kind of fast-paced shooting and you have to pause to let your buffer clear, you potentially lose shots. It doesn't seem as catastrophic as a card failure, but over time the lost shots stacks up. This isn't really a big deal for landscape, portraits, etc., but for sports, wildlife, and even potentially weddings, it's huge. By going with the much-quicker-writing XQD card (especially on the Z6 where you effectively can't outshoot the buffer), Nikon reduced the number of shots you'll lose gradually over time to a clogged buffer at the cost of increasing your risk of a catastrophic failure.
"2. A little explainer on what "extended high" mode on the Zs would have been helpful. If you want full AF and AE while shooting, you're limited to 5.5 FPS, so they're really nowhere near the D5 yet in terms of frame rate."
Yep, saying the Z6 is almost as fast as the D5 is very misleading, it's half as fast if it's lucky, and the keeper rate is probably even less than that if the AF is taxed...
Honestly I like this guy for 1 reason, he's real ... especially after his review of the Z9 ... I have a question for you Jared. you own the Nikkor 24-70 F2.8 VR. but i didn't see your video comparing it with Tamron 24-70 F2.8 G2 ...which one do you recommend to use with D850 ?
I have a Z 6, and a D850, and I love the Z 6, burt it just isn't up to the AF of the D850 in near dark environments (salsa events/parties); the Z 6 will often freeze the EVF image, and then I'm lucky if I get the right shot. With the D850, there is no such problem. I'm guessing the camera after the next iteration will be much better...in about 5 to 6 years time.
The only thing holding me back from the z cameras is the lack of duel cards. I'm a wedding photographer so really need that security. Hoping they bring out revised models soon.
I stay with my Nikon D7500, it is a great camera and the photos are excellent. The only problem with the D7500 is normaly behind the camera.
Greetings from germany
I'm currently in the market for a professional camera. Over 30 years doing photography as a hobby, it's about time I invest in a professional model. Before watching this video, I was all over the table, should I go Canon? No... how about Sony? Wait, what about Nikon? After watching this video, it put some things in perspective. I already had my eye on the D850, which is what I'm leaning towards. Mirrorless cameras seem like great technology, but too new on the market to be a sure bet. Thanks for the reviews. Saved me time and money and/or disappointment.
Great review. I'm considering the D850 and the D5. Thanks for the insight
Notice the spec changes between 12.03 and 12.23 between Z6 and Z7 making the Z7 best for video afterall, which explains why the Fro uses it for video and not the Z6.
The best thing you can do is rent these for yourself and see which one you prefer... If you've got enough $$$ to consider the D850 or even D5, then putting $300 on a weekend with all four cameras is nothing!! I use aperturent, but camerarentals and adorama are a few other great options. Then you can make your own video of observations. :) After renting all of these, I'm quite happy keeping my D800 for another 4 year cycle and will re-evaluate then. I didn't find any appreciable improvement in actual usage/performance over what I already have. In fact, in some ways these are compromises that I'd rate under the D800/D810. If you're looking for your first FX, my suggestion would be strongly toward the D610, or D750 for video needs. These new money-pits are not faster, don't have actually better image quality, require new expensive media cards, don't have fill flash, and other frustrating things. Rent all of them and see what you think yourself!
Great video, I know it’s a bit dated since Nikon introduced the Z6ii cameras. I was thinking of getting the Z6ii, however, I have two concerns, Nikons financial situation, and, adding a lens to these the Z6ii or Z7ii make them big and heavy. Thanks for the video, you did a awesome job as always.
thanks allot I love how you explain it easy so someone that don't even know about cameras can understand. and your line out of the videos or easy to understand as well. also your a fun guy through out the video. thanks allot
Excellent video.
One thing I don’t think has been considered. Mirrorless cameras don’t have a problem with mirror-slap for obvious reason. You can lock the mirror up but it’s only good for static subjects.
So i have more models to choose from.. D750 D3 D5 and Z6 now... i make Wedding Videos with Z6 and a Crane Plus Gimbal and its awsome...but for Concerts i use D5 and Z6...serial shots are their dutys... and i keep the D3 and use it with a Sigma 50 mm 1.4 to make open aperture portraits.... so every Nikon i have has a specialty...
Great video Jared and Stephen! I use the D750 and the Z6 but finding myself grabing the Z6 almost all the time now. So for me it’s for sure the Z6.
Same here been reaching the Z6 more when I work.
I recently got the Z6 with adapter from Nikon at 1.21L INR which almost equals to 1640$ and I am super happy with the purchase.
The quality of stills are stunning and mirrorless systems are fast, man! They are really faster than DSLRs.
I'll also buy the D850 in few months or a year but only for the 45.7MP sensor. Otherwise my Z6 does the job seamlessly!!
The D750 SHOULD be on the table because it blows away the Z6 if you’re not shooting video. For $850 less currently.
I do not agree. Why does the D750 blow away the Z6? Please explain.
I own both, not its not true the D750 is a great camera but the Z6 is better, I have use them on events and the Z6 is more versatile, again you wrong my friend.
@@froknowsphoto because Tony Northrup said it few days ago))
Jared Polin Tony Northrop panned the Z6 yesterday. Major AF problems (have heard this from others), Auto WB problems. We all know it has one card slot (I’m a pro and no way). You have to use an adapter which makes your F glass even bigger. No grip available? No REALLY fast glass to take advantage of Z mount until 2020, except for 58mm Noct. I haven’t seen anything that says the images produced are any better than a D750. Better dynamic range? Shadow recovery? High ISO performance? Is there data?
If I was going to buy a new Nikon it would be the D850. The Z series need fixing.
Great video, it has helped me decide what direction to go to. Thank you.
This was the best comp video I saw you make, explaining what camera gives you what you need in combo with what you shoot, much better then the "mark comp videos.
Enough about full frame cameras how about a tutorial how you get your fro so full? 👀
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I’m upgrading to a z6 today from my d5200, time to get in with the new and out with the old. So excited
I also have the D5200, it was a great affordable camera
An excellent review of 4 different cameras. It truly helped me understand the various features of all these cameras which can get quite confusing and over whelming for an amateur photographer like me. Thank you for this review and explanation.
Really great video, nice to see them put side by side with all the specs. Really helpful, thanks.
I own a D4 and a Z6 as second Body or for Video issues. Since i sold my D3 a couple of weeks ago, i will buy now my last DSLR - a Nikon D5. It will be my workhorse together with the D4 till i change completely to the Z System. In front of that, i like to own the Z trinity and than i will buy a Z9 or a Z8.
How have you found the d5? I just got one (Super late to the party) with only 12k shutter count
This was an amazing video thumbs up all the way, I am new into camera footage and opens up a lot of ideas and things I want as far as shooting videos and pictures.
Buying a brand new D750 for now. I'll work up to a D4 and then a Z6 in a few years when it depreciates to about half it's current cost. When you don't shoot video, mirrorless offers only marginal advantages. My favorite Mirrorless features are the IBIS with vintage glass and the silent shooting but not absolutely necessary and I can live without.. at least until the Z6 becomes dirt cheap ;)
If the D750 and Z6 was released during the same time, I would jump on the Z6. I travel a lot and beginning to do more videos. I have the D750 and it's amazing but the video is ultra lacking for autofocus. The Z6's video performance surpasses the D750's, in my opinion. For images, I'm not pixel peeping or wanting a megapixel monster, so I'll be perfectly fine with the Z6's 24mp. The Z6/Z7, D860 and D5 lineup is insanely good. The D750 is pretty much 5 years old and people are still raving about it. Those 4 cameras are super great for what they are and I don't think you'll have a bad day with either of those 4 options.
I have a D500 and just got an almost brand new D700, which is great in combination with good glass...
I still shoot with my d800 and I still love it!
Hi, as per my observation, image quality of D810 is better than Z7 II. I used 70-200 f2.8 lens on both the bodies. F mount lens adapted on to Z mount with adapter. I strongly believe there is an image quality difference.
I have Nikon d5100 and I am planning to get a new one since d5100 is an old one. I was thinking for d750 but it is a 5 year old DSLR. Of course I wouldn't go with D5, it is expensive. D850 and Z7 are still expensive and I think I will go with Z6 since this video recommends mirrorless camera which, for no reason, I was scared to get mirrorless. After I watched this video, I have started loving mirrorless Z6 since the price in the market now is around 1800$ with the adaptor and it is a reasonable price for me.
I am exactly in the same boat. up until this video I had decided to upgrade my d5100 to a d850, now i am tending to the z6
My D7200 works just fine...wish YOU JARED would do a (very many years late) review past the earlier one. I'm not a pro obviously, but the thing is still really good at what I can do with it and the pics I want to take: portraits, close-ups and landscapes .
Uggg! Well, after 20 years of shooting and 5 or so years of lugging my D810 around the world and up mountains and crap, it found it’s memorial on a rock today.
While gleaning a lot from this video I’m still beyond conflicted as to getting a D850, or jumping into mirrorless. I’ve got a mix of Nikkor and Tamron lenses, I hear the latter can by updated to work with the Z series. But damn I’m conflicted.
I shoot just about everything, portraits, wildlife, landscape, lunar and astrological events, sports, etc. I’ve not yet jumped into to video but I feel I’d be even more inclined if I grabbed a Z series since the 810 was so-so with the video.
Thanks for the great video.
sold my D850 for a Z7 and haven't regretted the decision once. very solid cameras. the D850 is fantastic though. you just have to decide what camera suits your needs better.
I just love your videos - you explain things so well and are entertaining, besides. My question: I've got a Nikon D7500 and am thinking to upgrade to a camera that takes sharper, better photos in low light sports (dog shows) situations than this one is capable of doing. I can't afford the D5, but if I were to consider either the Z6 or the Z6, which one is better for what I want to do, as well as other birds, dogs and horses in motion, airplanes, etc? Thank you!
Great video... it really helped me narrow down which one to buy
have the D750, I play with the Z6... today, would go with D850 in a seconds.... the Z systems are the future, but still in the begining, today my problem with those are the grip and sensor that is not cover. with the kind of shooting I do, big issue.... but , memory card, not really a problem for me. so, I think I will stick with my D750 for now until I found a good replacement for it. ( I do 99% of the time photo... rarely videos )
sensor not covered? No sensor is covered. I get sensor dust on my D5. The if you shoot at F22 with any DSLR you are going to see all the dust on it. Take your camera outside right now, point it at the sky shoot at F22 and get ready to see a dust storm.
@@froknowsphoto your correct ( yeah, my english is not perfect, french canadien, no one's perfect ;) )
@@martindalpe.photography French Canadian? What is that? Were you born in France and moved to Canada?
@@valdius85 no, in canada there is two official language, English and French
Very helpful video in deciding what camera I need to buy next.
Simple choice for me. I already have the D500 (D5's little brother), I think the D850 would be something I would like. Plus, my D500 has the XQD and SD... like the D850. Thanks for the video, Jared.
I'm teetering between getting the Z6 and the Z7 because of what and how I shoot. I do a lot of indoors hand-held low-light travel photography and low-noise is important to me. I'm always shooting with a zoom lens because I have no time to switch lenses on the go.
Apparently, the Z6 having bigger pixels is better for low light, both in terms of focusing ability and image noise . However, I'm really attracted to the Z7's higher sensor resolution because I like sharp pictures - who doesn't!
My question is: if I'm only going to use the Z f4 24-70 kit zoom lens and no super-sharp prime lenses, will the image resolution be significantly better with the Z7? In other words, is the Z7's 46 MPixels resolution overkill for the Z f4 24-70 kit zoom lens? If it is, then buying the Z6 is a no-brainer...Thanks for any insight!
The Z7 with the Z 24-70 f2.8 is the best for your shooting. Only the 2.8 have the same price as the Z6 kit with the f4 24-70 lens.
That was awesome. Thank You. Also, I enjoyed the "brick" portion. I'm redesigning a course for the college I work at, and you helped me with my argument with why we should look at purchasing mirrorless cameras.
Hobbyst and a bit of a gearhead here so my livelihood is not at stake on camera selection. I shoot D600 and D750 with a mix of new/old lenses dating back to film days. All still photography so video is not a consideration for me. I am at the point where my two main fast glass lenses (24-70 & 70-200) are on their last leg so either time to double down on DSLR or go mirrorless. I still have good prime lens that will serve well on either camera for a long time to come.
Jared qualifies this video with 'which Nikon' you should buy; however, if you are building a full frame kit from nothing, then its really a question of which (full-frame) mirrorless to buy. This means looking at Sony and Cannon as well. OK, really just Sony right ;-) Would love to see a Sony vs Nikon mirrorless comparison, but already believe I know what the outcome would be. Personally, I am liking what I see on the Sony a7iii plus the range of Sony and 3rd party lenses that are already out. And of course if money is no object, then why not get a a9, right?
Due to kids in college, I cannot seriously entertain the cost of a kit switch to Sony so I will continue to monitor how Nikon progresses with the z6 and z7 over the next few years. I am so gald to see the z-mount for Nikon. Cannot wait to see what the faster lenses can do with this.
Nikon D5... 3 Years Old? Damn, where did those years go?
Yeah I know. We're all dead soon.
LOL, I'm still on the D200
D4s gets my vote that and a d500 and you've got everything covered - not to say the d850 isn't fantastic - it is but D4s is enough. Thanks for your videos!
hi
I would like to ask you a question, I want to buy a used camera canon 5D mark ii should I take into account whether it has seen heavy video use or not? Or it does not matter at all?
for example
Let's say that I find a Canon 5D mark ii with 2.000 clicks and 1000000 hours of video use, and a Canon 5D mark ii with 60.000 clicks and no video use at all. Both have the same price. Which one should I take?
thank you for all your video you are amazing
Great video comparing the Nikon cameras... Love it!
Hi Jared...first time on your youtube site. I'm currently weighing up whether to buy a D750 or D850 ( price difference is circa $1000 AUD ). I currently own a D200 and will probably keep it as backup. I shoot landscape and moving into Astrophotography...video is something I'l dabble in but not high on the agenda ( at this stage ). I'm leaning more to the D850 ( later model and higher spec'd ) .....what advice would you offer. (PS there is a D5 for sale at $4000 AUD secondhand but I take your point it's probably the last of its kind but would it be a better choice than a D850 ....if I can the price down to $3000 AUD?? ). Hope to hear back from you.
Thank you very much I’ve been looking like a crazy for the perfect camera for a few days now and nikon z6 kept my attention. So I’ve looked into it and watched many videos. I want something versatile as much as possible and this one is just perfect!!! Thank you for all these precious informations 👌
Awesome video thank you I ordered my z6 :) thank a lot Jared
This video really helped me figure out what body I want to purchase next. Thank you!
Thanks great video, you're really cool! I was wondering g which way to go. I am n to a professional, I'm attending a video production school and You helped me decide to go with a Z6. I think ,I'll be able to go a longer way before stepping up more.