They do ornaments for the most used exotics but in this case it is actually not used mostly because of how awful it looks. Looks like a big piece of poop on your face.
Yep..warlock suspend poison is a solo player easy street. I love it Also I have crafted retrofit for my void MG and I have a 90 reload so it’s a fast reload and harsh language autoload for back up. Will build the threading build today thanks
I kinda hope we get a nothing manacles/ osmiomancy gloves type exotic for suspend grenades. The weaver’s trance thing feels like it’s missing something
I want to add that I'm amazed how much of a difference a single Recuperation or Better Already mod on your Legs can make. Together with the fragment for Woven Mail, now every Orb will both armor and heal you. Really helps that survivability issue whenever you aren't standing still in a Healing Rift.
me, running both Recuperation and the void fragment that is orbs give devour on my titan while running bastion AND alpha lupi: what is death? (the recuperation is instant, while delay on devour. can run without it, but too lazy to take off)
@@marlonthomas2713 could be worse, couldve relied on the stat boosts from PF/RL for a quad hundreds build. At least now its possible to get ALL 100's by making all armor stats add up to 70 then using one of each stat boost while armor charged mod and dozens of hours of grind for perfect armor.
@@NuclearRizzicist I did not even think about that. No thanks though, that sounds like it would be a ridiculous grind. And I already have over 300 pieces of high stat armor in my vault.
Thread of Rebirth plus a Strand weapon with Hatchling is OP on the Warlock Threadling build. It can generate 2 per precision kill. I have been running that and the Finisher creates Threadlings, and it's just non-stop minions, in conjunction with Generation and Evolution. Highly recommend.
U could also combine it with explosive finisher, the mod that gives u orbs when performing a finisher and 2 stacks on stacks. This will create a loop. Giving u ur nade back with each finish along with creating threadlings each time
I think thread of rebirth generates more threadlings if its a orange or yellow heath bar enemies. I killed a champion and I'm pretty sure 4 threadlings popped out
Datto one important thing you missed in the suspend build. Your melee UNRAVELS. And that ALSO spreads. So building into some strength or running the fragment that gives melee energy when damaging things with a tangle (will refund a full melee charge if you throw it at things most times) IS VERY WORTH IT.
Definitely! The other thing Arcane Needle is great for is adding range to your poison application - far beyond what Osteo can reach - which is super helpful in higher-difficulty content. I actually build into strength, and have even had some success using Monte Carlo instead of Osteo for maximum melee uptime (though unfortunately the melee kickstart mods don't seem to work with Arcane Needle).
Using 1 Impact Induction, 1 Focusing Strike and Either Firepower/Heavy Handed keeps your class ability up ALL THE TIME with the right orb setup. Think of Strand like a tank. you don't NEED extra damage usually when nothing can fight back.
@@bdpSovietafr0 using the same logic you dont need Woven mail if nothing can fight back. Which frees up a fragment that gets you melee energy by throwing tangles (which youll will spawn on cooldown anyway), which in turn frees up arm mods you now don't have to use on melee regenerating things. Also, I assume you meant melee not class ability.
felwinter helm and grapple is a really fun and somewhat viable combo because of the grapple melee and easy access to finisher, bonus point for enabling the bloodborn style fashion
The new mod system absolutely gutted my Felwinter build, but it still did work through the whole legend campaign, both with that new void fragment and strand.
I just want to say I really like the "this isn't the only way you can run this build" approach you've been taking recently. So many other build guides treat their builds like they're the second coming of Christ and that swapping out a single mod makes everything fall apart. I'm more of a "I want to play into X, let me explore all the ways I can use Y and Z to make X stronger" buildcrafter and I really appreciate these videos :)
The Osteo Suspend build also works with Thorn, and I've had a little more fun that route. If you prefer hand cannons over SMGs, I find that Thorn promotes a bit more aggression because you have to go get the Remnants it creates, but also seems to be a little better at killing chunkier targets since the DoT stacks faster.
I know it has nothing to do with this video but contraverse holds feels even more powerful than it did last season. I suggest any of my warlock brothers to give it a try
@@hansuluthegrey8524 I've encountered few enemies that can survive my charged vortex grenades. It definitely gets less value in content with enemies that die too fast
As a contraverse main since i first got the exotic, it feels arguably worse this season with the removal of the initial grenade recharge upon impact damage. However, i can still throw another grenade before my vortex even runs out so i can't complain.
Seeing how Weaver's Call just makes 3 threadlings, I really am wondering what they're going to do with the next set of aspects for Warlock. "The Wanderer" really makes me wonder. I can definitely see it buffing Threadlings further so I'm a bit nervous about that since I like having options, but that's just how it goes sometimes. Cautiously excited for the future.
Weaver’s Call is extremely mid by default because it also makes your rift cooldown take longer. We don’t even get the choice to avoid that pitfall right now.
if anyone doesn’t know, the shader on the hive portion of Verity’s is actually a Y1 shader called Desert Matte, using it will make any fashion style work with Verity’s
I would like to put forth traveler’s chosen as an option for the first build. It’s catalyst gives it osmosis for strand functionality and it really helps with ability uptime
FYI Unless this was changed- Weavers call explosion kills DO proc firepower for grenade energy orbs. you can run this and heavy handed. They do not proc the other "grenade" hits/final blows for whatever reason, but this is the exception. TLDR: Use firepower on your gloves for this build.
The Swarmers' tangle that spawns the threadlings works very well with Thread of Fury. Thread of Fury makes you get Melee energy by doing damage with a tangle. The threadlings that come off of each tangle actually give a ton of energy. If you throw a tangle into a group, not only will it kill the enemies pretty reliably but you can sometimes get 3 charges from 1 throw. If you want to go with Heavy Handed to spawn your orbs, this is not a bad way to go about it considering the amount of tangles you are spawning with this build.
Swarmers makes it so the damage done by the threadlings spawned by tangles counts as tangle damage. This means more damage to proc thread of fury, giving you insane melee regen without needing to really spec into it
Fun fact, the suspending detonation counts as grenade damage. I’m pretty sure it does at least, as it seems to trigger firepower for me if it kills anything.
Yeah this is why Verity’s Brow + golden tricorn strand weapon is smooth as butter. Just shoot the gun after consuming the grenade and the detonation damage goes up, procs tricorn on kills, and now you’re cruising with x2 which makes looping this even easier.
I really like the grapple variant - if you have orb issues on threadling build. It still makes three threadlings, and the grapple melee counts as charged melee AND grenade damage. You can make two orbs per kill. I don't think the extra two threadlings are worth running threadling grande and consuming, especially since threadling grenade recharges slower. You can get so many threadlings with tangles, rift, etc etc. I also use the fragment that gives you melee energy from tangle damage, since that's an easy way to generate orbs on strand in most content
And when you have the grapple you can grapple to a tangle over and over to get tons of threadlings and orbs (if your team mates don't decide to throw or shoot it)
@@jacob-2271 or you can just use a strand weapon and create threadlings for days. and yes the biggest issue (atleast with randoms) is the same as with Warmind cells back then, people will always and ever destroy them no matter what and thats why imo tangles are not that good atleast with randys. and i absolutely hate that stupid grapple so thats not in the slightest an option for me. i play destiny for the gunplay and sadly they become more and more garbage af. and 15 seconds is alot of time in destiny. i will stick with my contraverse/monarque voidlock till i die or they delete on of them.
I use the infinite suspend build, but I use Vexcaliber over Osteo. I run into groups of enemies, spreading poison with the glave and suspending them. The poison procs will keep your oversheild from Vexcaliber up because it constantly refills your block gauge. I have not had this much fun playing destiny in a long time and I hope none of this gets changed
A thing I like to run is the melee orb maker and then the fragment that gives melee energy on tangle damage. Throwing a tangle gives dummy melee energy and the threadlings spawned from the boots also give melee. That really helped me solve my orb generation problem
I don't think Datto realizes that the infinite suspend builds aren't boring BECAUSE they are so cool to use. It's way better than sitting in a well and spamming nades. honestly, I think the suspend build is super fun and good, and datto has some pretty backward thinking here.
I love using grapple with Karnsteins. Insane survavibility, and the right set of mods gets you 80-90% of the grapple back after a final blow from the grapple melee. The melee -> grenade energy mod is surprisingly strong, potentially too strong. 10-15%ish grenade energy for a single unpowered slap strong.
"just because it's not a good lookin exotic doesn't mean it's not good" I'm sorry are you one of these new light? We are vain around these parts. If a piece of armor does not aesthetically vibe with my warlock I will not wear it. Fashion is the real endgame. And at this point it's tougher than the raid. .
The Hatchling weapon perk works with Thread of Rebirth, so if a hatchling spawned threadling kills an enemy then that hatchling has a chance to turn into another threadling. It's fun on the Machine gun since it's got a lot of ammo but Idk how it is on other weapons.
I just wish strand builds weren't so reliant on the kinetic slot for their primary; it forces me out of build synergies to use something like izanagi or arbalest
For the osteo build you don’t have to run any siphon mods tbh, you can use firepower and kills from the suspension effect will spawn orbs. Having kinetic siphon on top of that does help though
Hey Datto. Long, long time fan here. Life and school have gotten the better of me and i haven’t given myself the time to pick up Destiny in years. The last raid I beat was Leviathan. I was the only one in my friend group to get Forsaken and never completed it because i didn’t really have anyone to play with. Basically fizzled out on the game right as LW came out, haven’t touched it since. I can give you the name of some of the expansions and raids just from what I hear conversationally but that’s all I know about the game over the past 3/4 years. For some reason, Im assuming because of lightfall, Destiny content has been all over my RUclips and Twitter feed and it’s piqued my interest. I wanna get back to the grind. You’re the only person i trust to guide me back. If there’s a video already i’d love to be pointed to it, otherwise i would never be able to thank you enough for a video along the likes of “so you haven’t touched destiny since forsaken”. It’s a selfish request I know, but man i miss this game and miss understanding what the hell you’re taking about. If any viewers have a few videos that they think could catch me up if i watch them all i have no qualms with going on a little binge, too. Anything works as long as i feel caught up. Much love.
Lightfall has mixed opinions on it, so if you’re looking to get back into it, maybe look into some reviews. I’d maybe recommend waiting on a sale. All the DLC was 67% off recently, but usually go on sale around the end of March anyway. BYF has videos explaining the story from launch of D1 to lightfall, so you can get caught up. I’d recommend witch queen over lightfall in its current state as the campaign was better. Lightfall is the transition between Witch Queen and Final Shape, and so it doesn’t add much to the story, it just sets the scene. There is a good backlog of things to do though if you get the older expansions. Again, I’d recommend waiting for deep discounts on anything, but if you want something to do now, I’d highly recommend witch queen first.
The suspend build gets exponentially more fun to play when you use Vexcalibur as your exotic weapon. Get the overshield, activate weaver's call and get in the middle of everything. The moment an orb of power drops you gonna stack poison, suspend, woven mail and volatile. Fun times.
I know it’s not a super meta elite weapon, but Final Warning with my Threadling/Unravel build is excellent. The full charge applying Unravel to targets is phenomenal for keeping grenade charge going, and the single target damage when aiming down sights is actually pretty fantastic for a sidearm. I highly recommend it to any Strandlocks.
@@chronic_leuk7463 The add clear is amazing. When you've got the loop going you're wiping swarms of adds even while reloading (I use Necrotics and am constantly adding poison for even more damage). For instance, it's far more effective than a voltshot Ikelos SMG, one of my favorite all time guns. I took it into the Terminal Overload to try and practice the mechanic and it made it so easy -- just melting all the harpies allowing us (it was just me and my son for a bit and then a third guardian joined us) to get through the boss phases quickly in the final boss. I was assuming I would be a liability during the activity, my son was working on the catalyst for Quicksilver Storm so I thought I'd see what it was all about while he did most of the killing. Nope, I ended up with over twice as many kills as he, typically a better player than me, managed and even with only the two of us for most of the three sections we cleared the activity faster than it usually was taking with 5 or 6 guardians. The add clear is very real! The only weakness is the vex chickens, it feels like too many of the bullets don't hit for damage unless they're coming straight at you. But that's why you have the LMG.
@@brienhays5508 you can hop fire for more damage against wyverns until they get staggered and then when their crit is exposed you can like two burst them with ads, it’s actually crazy
Threadling builds are underrated. And Strand melee is a sleeper, for both types of builds. The distance is stupid, it generates a tangle that makes 2 threadlings with Swarmers. With Necrotics the unraveling(?) and poison feed each other
if osteo is boring try Judgement of Kelgorath with Enhanced Incandescent with Necrotic Grips on Strand-lock. Not only do you generate aoe poison/suspend, but they also all chain ignite! Its a blast! Technically, its several blasts, on after another! xD
A build I've fallen in love with, even in higher difficulty content is traveler's chosen and karnstein armlets. The grapple to melee combo procs the healing of karnstein without wasting your melee energy. Traveller's is really strong and with its catalyst gives you strand damage on it allowing it to proc unraveling rounds. Combine that with the fragments that reloads everytime you grapple and the damage grenade regen, with travelers intrinsic gives you insane uptime on the grapple. If you play it right you can damage an enemy, grapple into them, spread threading, heal any damage you may have taken, tank any further damage for another few seconds and then wail on enemies with unraveling rounds. Add onto that the mods that spawn orbs with grenade and melee kills, you will get TWO orbs per grapple and melee combo. Throw stacks on stacks and charged up and you have 4 armor charges instantly which gives woven mail making you even more tanky. Throw some grenade Kickstart in there and you are eating good.
@@davidwriv I've tried that as well but the glaive melee messes with the grapple melee. If you accidentally grapple with your glaive out, the melee only does the glaive melee which usually isn't strong enough to kill and proc the regen.
I saw this synergy immediately, and realized how busted it was. I'm def using it, but moreso also because I'm comboing volatile flow with it too with the new void grenade launcher that can roll envious assassin and repulsor brace. It's dumb. it's plain dumb. I love it.
Just a note, heard the suspend detonation can trigger both bolstering detonation and firepower so could be useful I personally use a hybrid of suspend and threadling and it’s fun as hell
For Hunters: Don't sleep on Manticore. I know it didn't seem great last season, but combine it with Cyrtarachne's Facade and general hunter grapple gameplay and it really comes into it's own. With Woven mail, Manticore Catalyst, and 100 resilience you're looking at 83% damage resist (76% if you're not counting resil). Pair with a recuperation mod and you have effectively infinite health. Manticore also just does some pretty darn good damage and this season gets volatile rounds from the artifact. You need to move around and don't like how slow manticore makes you? Just grapple away, and get woven mail in the process.
With the grapple, heavy handed and firepower both work off of a grapple melee, so that is 2 orbs on demand. Combine that with reaper and a siphon mod and you will be swimming in orbs as long as you grapple onto tangles. In this case I would use utility kickstart instead of grenade kickstart as you should be grappling tangles most of the time to keep looping it.
Yeah I won’t lie, the 2nd build is very overkill in low level content. I did a strike and I took majority of the kills and made the most orbs (if not, made all of the orbs). But for endgame content, it’s a fantastic build.
Fun fact. The “detonation” counts as grenade damage. The unravel needsls count as melee damage. If your necrotics kill stuff from a melee, it will count every double kill from it as a melee kill for orbs.
I personally use Apotheosis Veil, as it makes your super feel suprisingly lethal; You open up with a consumed threadling grenade and rift, for 8 threadlings you cast your super, creating 6 more threadlings and you consume another threadling grenade and use anothre rift, for 8 more threadlings, for a total of 20-ish threadlings in the span of a dozen seconds or so.
You just made a build with around a 6 minute cooldown, that's why no one else uses that helmet. It's strong, but you can make more threadlings more consistently other ways, travelers chosen can do the same thing and works without the need to cast your super to do so
im not sure if its unintended and will be changed or "fixed" at some point, but when you have weavers call active, ALL kills count as grenade kills iirc, so mods like "grenade hits give you melee energy" and "grenade kills grant super energy" and stuff are actually extremely powerful on the striga build. also using melee in tandem with striga is actually better than using striga on its own, because the melee does the same thing striga does, and also procs unraveling, which just increases the dot by a ridiculous amount. this build is honestly stupid lmao, its too good.
Necrotic was triggering glaive effects (Incandecent, destabilizing rounds, exotic glaive effects) as well, so theres that. Mindspun invocation could be down to **10 SECONDS** and it would be way too good with Osteo-Necrotics since you only need about 6 kills to refill your grenade fully. Playing alone I almost ALWAYS have a shackle grenade up with 10 SECONDS on the clock. And it was bugged so that the shackle burst wasn't stunning unstops, now it does. DPS-Tank hybrids (like Shackle-lock) swing wildly in strength from either being GARBAGE AWFUL UNPLAYABLE to Completely trivializing every part of the game... The Strand builds in game now are all in that "They trivialize everything that isn't a raid boss" place
Continuity, warding, finality and generation. That’s what I chose first for a mixture of survivability and a literal threadling God. Consume grenade,cast rift then it’s like. GO MY CHILDREN FEAST APON THEM! It’s so dumb and I love it
Karnstein > Grapple > Melee from grapple. 100 Res, 100 Disc, 70-100 Intellect. With the right helmet mods for melee giving super energy, super is up an ungodly amount. Constant healing. Constant mobility and damage. Been using it for a couple weeks now. Even in contest mode raid. Master NF. Etc. You’re welcome.
For the Necrotics Strand build, I prefer to go all into my melee/grapple melee. It's like, empirically worse than suspend osteo, but its really fun, y'know? Who knew that the chaining DoT debuff(unravel) would work really well with the chaining DoT debuff(poison). I run grenade kickstart + stacks on stacks and stacked up, but with full strength. With that and thread of generation discipline becomes an actual dump stat and I can still spam grapples all day. Firepower and heavy handed both work for grapple melee, granting 2 orbs every grapple smack, plus 1 or 2 more when the necrotics get a kill after the cooldown. I'm still running 100 strength however, and for good reason. Whimsically flicking a green sparkle sparkle into a group of enemies with a bubbly smile on my face and a *teehee!* escaping my lips only to afflict my opponents with GIGA-LIGMA^2 never gets old, the melee animation for only spending 1 charge is so funny to me.
I've been having a ton of fun running Strand as a Spider Man grapple melee build, myself. I run Woven Mail from Orbs of Power, slot mods to max out my Grenade Energy generation and generate Orbs of Power with grenades, and then fly around grapple meleeing stuff to explode it. It's relatively competent boss DPS, pretty much 1 shots entire packs of majors and red bars, and is wildly fun. If I'm in more difficult content, I might slap on Karnstein's for self healing, but typically I'm running Necrotic Grips, as they trigger off your Grapple Melee. So flying into a pack of enemies and Grapple Meleeing sets off a huge chain reaction of Necrotic Grip explosions. With that build, at the end of Seasonal Battlegrounds I'm typically sitting at upwards of 280+ Kills per battleground.
Interstingly enough, I don't see that you covered a Melee heavy warlock build here. Ironically, it's on par if not better than Hatchlings (I still love my little green doodles...), and even _withtout_ Striga, it will give you some damage + survivability "perks" for more end-game level content. Yes.. it still uses the Necro Grips - but heyo - the grips are what makes Striga "surpreme". Also... who thinks "Warlock" and "Melee" in the same sentence or even paragraph? (btw.. the grips mayyyy spread unravelling too... among other things)
Thread of Ascent + Thread of Generation and 4th Times/Target Lock on a Retrofit Escapade gives you stupid boss damage. I have 3 Grenade Kickstarts on, and I can magdump the Retrofit, throw a grenade, magdump again, throw *another* grenade, and magdump a third time. Nearly 3 million boss damage on the 3rd encounter in the raid's pretty good, I think. I'm using the Shackle grenades, I just don't trust the grenade Threadlings to actually do their job and I don't like the grapple. It does make it awkward with the current Swarmers bug, but I just remember to shoot the Tangles, not throw them.
Osteo + Grips build is really only potent due to the fact it synergizes with the base warlock strand kit so well. and you can run the build without either grips or striga and it'll still go pretty well. Its a rather low investment. You can run zero fragments and Osteo + Striga will still carry broodweaver. I don't think it should get nerfed as warlock has limited access to suspend and Osteo + Grips are just doing its intended design for add-clear. Onto Threadlings....... I'm disappointed with Threadlings. At base Threadlings just do damage and that's it. They have ZERO synergy with strand verbs at base. I at the very least expected Threadlings to have built in verbs for a subclass named BROODWEAVER, the warlock sublcass Bungie hyped up to be a summoner and a Threadling master as its specialty. But at release they're just weak,and a dumb AI if you want to buff the Threadlings you HAVE to invest 2 fragments and an exoctic slot JUST to give Threadlings the ability to interact with ONE strand verb and a somewhat consistent loop since tangles themselves have a LONG cooldown that ruins the flow for Threadling Broodweaver. As of now Threadlings really offer nothing Berserker Titans offer Suspend and Woven mail to a fireteam, which gives berserkers huge team support value. And thats just base Berserker with no exotics. Mixing in exotics just boosts the value even further. They're base design is pretty good Threadrunner offer unlimited grapple points and suspend + Sever, they greatly enhance other strand subclasses gameplay loop and allows Threadrunner to move around the map with vicious mobility and speed. Equiping that fragment that reloads tor weapons after using a grenade ability with their forever grapple points gives them huge DPS potential with their weapons. Their base design is pretty good Broodweaver offers? Threadlings that do okay damage when players already have other more better options for damage focused builds? Its a hard ask to build into Threadlings when Osteo/Grips, Starfire, Osiomancy, Devourlock offers much much better generalized value in any given fireteam... and for a subclass that aims to take full advantage of a summoner identity, bungie missed the mark hard in my opinion which is a let down as I was excited mainly for the summoner fantasy. What if the Swarmers exotic armor reduces the cooldown of spawning tangles which allows much higher uptime of Threadlings? And creating more tangles for your team to use that greatly boost the loop of other Strand players? What if Weavers call Aspect has another function were upon casting a rift and damaging combatants while in your rift steadily spawns threadlings? And if those Threadlings damage targets gives you rift energy? And equipping the empowering rift also boosts the damage of those Threadlings? What if Broodweaver's Threadlings had extra functionality at base since its their identity? Like being more aggressive and smarter? Or killing debuffed targets spawns Threadlings? Or when out of combat you slowly generate Threadlings out of thin air? Or Threadlings Sever targets in an AOE explosion giving them a unique control role? What if there's an alternative class ability option where you sacrifice equipping your Rifts to rip into the Cosmic Web and create a big webbed mass of strand matter that spews out Threadlings in waves to seek out potential targets and over time this web collapse into a tangle if not destroyed? These are just merely ideas TLDR; If Threadlings want to be good, they need to have synergy with strand verbs at base. I'm hoping Broodweaver gets another aspect that severely beefs up Threadlings from cosmic kittens into Eldritch Predators
I would just like to say that I think thread of warding is a horrible choice for warlock. The 10 seconds on woven mail after an orb pickup does not help your survivability enough in endgame to make a difference. And anywhere but endgame, you can survive just fine with the two orb healing mods on legs and then 70 resilience. Most things are going to be dead before they can kill you anyways. Personally I went for fury, propagation, evolution, and generation. For stats I went 30 mobility, 70 resilience, 100 recovery, 30 discipline(dead stat because of thread of generation), 70 intellect(the super is amazing which is not common for warlocks), and 60 strength(gains from fury scale off of your strength stat but seem to have diminishing returns). The weak points of broodweaver is definitely survivability. But at current there is really no way to fix that besides just...idk. Getting better I guess. I'm fine with warlocks not having real access to woven mail though, but I'd really like to have an extra effect added to weaver's call that either regens health or regens rift energy because the only way I have to regen rift energy at current is 1. Waiting. And 2. Dealing damage with my melee for focusing strike. As for weapons I just use what I always use. Quicksilver, inquisitor, and hothead. This subclass is a glass cannon, but it is not extremely aggressive like datto is putting it. That will not work in endgame. Most people will find more success with a suspend build because it is safer, but it deals an extremely low amount of damage compared to the threadling build. But I much prefer the threadling build.
I legit leveled up my Warlock to try the poison/suspend build when the web was kicking it around, but yeah. Ended up at the same conclusion. Am already back to my solar and void Hunter builds. Gyrfalcons + Bow is broken but still needs at least some mental capacity to pay attention to buffs and timers. And then as for my good ol' Gunslinger, well... you try making an equivalently good build with Nighthawk nowadays....
I'm running necrotic/osteo with the judgement of kelgorath with enhanced incandescent. I whack, solar explosion, Strand explosion, poison explosion. If the explosions kill they spread.
When you branch into the other elements you should dip your toes into Sunbracers. Starfire is all the hype for good reason but I feel like Sunbracers is getting HEAVILY overshadowed by it's brother. Infinite grenades, infinite melee ability uptime, 10 second class ability and 30 second well of radiance. Ever popped 2 well of radiance at the same time? I have with this build. And with the amount of orbs you make you are unkillable with the healing with orbs mod (forgot the name)
My warlock build is stinky because I don’t have swarmers yet but I use the exotic vesper of radius which has that burst of energy on class ability use along with quicker recharge of said ability when surrounded. Is a wonderfully fun pubstomber build where you treat the class ability more like a grenade. Surrounded? Class ability. Need heal? Class ability. Need threadlings? Class ability. Have perched threadlings and a champions running at you? Class ability. It’s fun but not great for endgame.
Imo nothing on warlock (outside of pvp cause I don't care for it) nothing on warlock should be nerfed mainly because, and I say this as a warlock main, anything higher than legends it's always "hey can you run well? And maybe Div too?" Well is the only thing that warrants a nerf and EVEN THEN it would still be a must have for damage buffs / healing
I thought you were an expert at 15 warning is an automatic if you’re running a friend warlock Kim warning why wouldn’t you derive to be collecting our flight crazy you’re always gonna have 60% more damage resistance. It’s a no-brainer generation awarding our no brainer you always run them now whether you run a couple reveling faced fragments or something else that is up to you, but those two should be on every brand build every warlock build out. Glad you get a different with a titan right you don’t you get it from your shield or something I forget I haven’t play titan Wikstrand, so I I can’t speak to that, but I’m Morlock, your friend build it just automatically contains awarding and generation.
If they reduce the duration of Weaver's Trance they better reduce the base cooldown of Shackle grenades. Not all of us are running 100 discipline, and nerfing Weaver's Trance won't fix this problem when Thread of Generation is giving grenades back instantly from all that poison damage. I better not have to wait 2 minutes for a 15 second buff.
I stop using the Necro build after 2 days because ITS BORING AND TOO EASY! *Felwinters swing punch or Mantle of BH for the fast super or +20% damage* is my go to.
Is there a point to using the Harmonic Version of mods if you have the Strand Versions at 1 cost? Edit: Even without Necrotics the Infinite Suspension Build is great. Idk what makes its so OP because it's my current Strand build but I've been trying out Threadlings just for a little bit of a different style.
I love using Swarmers and/or Verity's, but they're both just...so ugly lol. Managed to make...A look using the seasonal armor though, since both have random weird metal bits and wires. It's funny that before Strand, I thought Osteo-Grips was fun but not good enough to bring into high level content. And now it's so strong that it's really useful in that content, but annoying to have on your team for lower end stuff.
Just so everyone can steal my drip if they so choose, S'phtish Cover with Emerald splash and Dendrite Shimmer Robes with Ruinous Clash, other armor up to preference, is the pro-strat end game Cthulhu drip for Threadling build. Have fun, my Eldritch brethren
my hunter has been using Assassin's Cowl with Finisher mods to either make ammo or give me armor charge. There does seem to be some behavior issues with the Ropedart melee while invis, tho. There's already a skill curve to the catching mechanic, but it seems like the dart ALSO loses sight of you if you're moving around while invis. infinite suspend with a Hunter is as easy as saying Sixth Coyote (which, in retrospect, isn't THAT easy to say, but you get it).
I got so bored with this build that I switched to Vexcalibur and learned that: 1) the empowered Void melee can benefit from Volatile Rounds 2) Necrotics spread the Volatile procs Whenever Volatile Flow is on the relic, I recommend trying this out Also highly recommend Thread of Warding for this variant because it stacks with the Void overshield damage reduction
Nezarec’s sin + graviton lance trivializes the game completely. You basically have infinite uptime on volatile and devour, and the orb generation is absurd. I make 100+ orbs per run of defiant battlegrounds
No way, not worry about demo on the web for Nick and get hatchling in the same spot. Generally in Grenada energy is not an issue. Demo is not needed Brandon front I mean canceling it is far more preferred on any weapon used for the Granville google Bradley fuckers are bad ass, the Morgan won the better the power of strand is that you can have both things that your control you can have call control methods with a Shackle Grenade, but you can also have a little army of minions that are usually won three to time and I don’t lie I get my iPhone downtown Around six or seven and little fuckers running around. Anna and I am not using a Bradley grenade. I tried that I didn’t see it as useful. I’m also not that fond of verities Brown because I get sick of worrying about keeping up you know 55 packs for that But it does do that for damage. I mean Siri play honor for Sam Morgan, a damage on Aldo suspend explosions in and took friend. I mean check Alberni killed. It definitely works the difference from playing thrown at him off at killing everything and krone Marvin having to clean off the map.
OK yes I Void Build his way here to Soraya Ron cause you got devour up get out all the time wind with a friend I have an example of ram warlock I put on my recuperation and better already had a minimum recuperation and now we have a powerful attraction so every time you cast a rift which you should be doing a lot because it’s one street Red Wings and they’re a little fucking whore just like You know other 30×5 things in a day mark if you’re not making full use like bonding your rift every opportunity you get then you’re doing it wrong every time you Spond it is dead is all the orbs and you get all that energy back plus you end up pulling healed. I mean just in a second or so in your raft plus recuperation and you are at 100%, it’s really not that hard to survive until you start talking about being you know 1015 under leveled or something for high-level contact and then then you gotta be careful no matter what build you are on
On the Osteo build, why is Datto running Strand Siphon instead of Kinetic Siphon. Aren’t most of the kills coming from Osteo? Wouldn’t kinetic generate more orbs?
I can see that you’re a K maybe with a O I’ll hell I can’t even think of the name of inside the pulse rifle that gives you lots of super energy and it’s really accurate and now I got some kind of off Jeff recently if I remember correctly, I mean aside from the fall frightful boss, but I got pacifically got something extra in any case I can pay using that maybe with something and exotic that house generator by Luke Bryan energy, tracking into Red Wings and using God Doug, the front fragments that Beats up your super no by causing a suspend and trying to regenerate your super relatively quickly. I mean I get supers all the time the way my build it now and I’m not directing the time for that other than asked just ask that question comes back really hard into trying to generate that super And then just throw supers a lot. I assume if the super generate also spending glass that means anything to spend it will generate a suspending the explosion when you destroy it but I would need to be tested although you might just find out that it’s not that you’re calling in because most things this guy has a super anyway I don’t know it does have a certain interest, but again most play your Jeff spec intergenerational morning rebirth and then whatever the one is that let your friend likes do you know leave the Nazca go out in further and kill shed and do more damage and then you go back to what I said, you know, your needle in a crowd brought her and eight on it. The damage from a grenade will cause unraveling to spread because it’s a very low fragile and I have anything left after you throw the grenade which it won’t be because you have five Deborah going yeah you gotta leave and I kill every 11 seconds but stop Siri play. It’s a no-brainer Build and it really is only one now commonly used one although the grapple melee build it is from one becoming popular. I think people are playing with that. I played with it the other day and I see why are you can literally if you expect him to getting your Mili back and your grandpa back your little run around not firing a weapon Jeff grandpa my way and shit all over the battlefield
I need my threadlings from swallowing my grenade to proc grenade mod stuff. I know that would be way overpowered, but that's what i want. Still love this build. Been doimg it since i got the exotic. Swallowing my nade unloading my heavy machine gun reloading my nade and swallowing to reload my heavy felt optimal af.
Threadlings are so mid honestly. They suicide on immune enemies and phalanx shields way too often. Way too slow and the damage falls off a cliff in harder content. When you deplete your entire grenade/class ability only for the threadlings to all miss or kill themselves on an immune thing you know the build is mid.
When an exotic doesn’t look good, I tend to just say “fuck it” and go the whole way, theming around that exotic. Like with *verity’s brow* I just find other armour pieces with bones on it and find a neat shader like *dreaming spectrum* or *gambit suede* to help mesh it all together.
I cant stop using grapple melee necrotic grips. I am of the belief that if you aint using a strand weapon with strand or using the grapple, especially with warlock jump, you're doing it wrong, the osteo striga build is so overkill, restrictive, and doesn't generate nearly as much super energy. I also find the threadlings build too complicated when i can do the exact same ad clear with one needle melee then grapple onto the strand tangle, profit. Mixing this with jolt and anarchy or just two tailed fox jolt, does numbers. Next i wanna try the jolt fusion with necrotic needle melee and the weaken from deterministic chaos for major utility.
Not trying to be the “but Datto did you mention this variation!?” guy, just want to throw out there that vexcalibur + winters guile on the latter suspend build has been really fun. Get overshield and swing away. Ramp up to x5 warlords sigil and chunk away at enemies. Can be tied to necrotic as well for spreader damage. Just a more engaging version of the build imo
Season 21 of cars to tear and die but the only thing in it from paragon Ravel write improved unraveling, which I don’t know if that document generates more unraveling threads or if they reach further or watt I don’t know what it does, but it’s there’s a no-brainer if you have 12 points and you only have about five things work through things first Portion brand so you’re going to Trudo improved unraveling and I’m a unraveling soldier or whatever the other one is called I mean wonders you’re better unraveling whatever that means and one gives you while unraveling anytime you want with male unraveling row so those are no-brainer‘s and you really don’t need to worry about expecting him to anything to make. You suck them because they’re just called passive everything is passive really in and didn’t see that it’s all passive shit so if you pick up an order and get woven mail, you have unraveling row and those unraveling rounds are in someway better.
I don’t know what it was like when you made the video but there are too many to brand weapons now to waste a fragment to reload your grenade launcher. My grenade launcher reload it, so I switch to it when I want to clear a mob but I’ve already it’s already loaded. Hi, I cleared the mile bridge it runs out. I just switch weapons again when I come back to it later and reload it And I’m using a Void welapon in the energy fly pet does the same thing all actually I think avoid weapon I’m using God every time I pick up a power Brett I have ammo brick hello fat weapon or maybe a text out that I don’t know I’ve got my head I don’t know I just know reloading your weapon. Who’s mad at you just you want it I don’t know why people make a big deal about it except in PvP it’s not a huge issue duck behind some thing reload your weapon invitation a while use your fragments for something that actually helps your bullshit faster or control the battlefield
It'd be so funny to me if every single warlock aspect was centrered around threadlings. I'd LOVE a slide melee that makes a bunch of threadlings behind you when you use it and just using it three times in 5 seconds and having 12 threadlings behind me I'd also love an aspect that made killing a strand debuffed enemy make a threadling with a cooldown after making a few like ice flare bolts I'd also love one that just made threadlings just fly through the air like when they leap and deal more damage(damage only in PvE them just being faster would be enough for pvp) at the cost of no aoe
If Verity's Brow got a good ornament, I would never take it off.
They do ornaments for the most used exotics but in this case it is actually not used mostly because of how awful it looks. Looks like a big piece of poop on your face.
it's a hive shell, accept the price for power
@@impossibleegg3689 can't do it man 😂
@@tomz6594 starfire would like a word
I don’t mind it and actually enjoy it with the season of the hunt ornaments. Spider God cosplay ain’t to bad lol
Yep..warlock suspend poison is a solo player easy street. I love it
Also I have crafted retrofit for my void MG and I have a 90 reload so it’s a fast reload and harsh language autoload for back up. Will build the threading build today thanks
I kinda hope we get a nothing manacles/ osmiomancy gloves type exotic for suspend grenades. The weaver’s trance thing feels like it’s missing something
If you lean more into using the melee to proc the poison it’s a lot more of a fun build. Then you’re not tied to osteo as well.
Paitently waiting for a build with the new stasis exotic for titans :)
I want to add that I'm amazed how much of a difference a single Recuperation or Better Already mod on your Legs can make. Together with the fragment for Woven Mail, now every Orb will both armor and heal you. Really helps that survivability issue whenever you aren't standing still in a Healing Rift.
me, running both Recuperation and the void fragment that is orbs give devour on my titan while running bastion AND alpha lupi: what is death? (the recuperation is instant, while delay on devour. can run without it, but too lazy to take off)
That's not on your class item anymore. Now it's on legs. Which sucks for me as, even with the discounted scavenger mods, my leggies are tapped out.
@@marlonthomas2713 could be worse, couldve relied on the stat boosts from PF/RL for a quad hundreds build. At least now its possible to get ALL 100's by making all armor stats add up to 70 then using one of each stat boost while armor charged mod and dozens of hours of grind for perfect armor.
That mod needs an mvp awards saved me so many times....
@@NuclearRizzicist I did not even think about that. No thanks though, that sounds like it would be a ridiculous grind. And I already have over 300 pieces of high stat armor in my vault.
Thread of Rebirth plus a Strand weapon with Hatchling is OP on the Warlock Threadling build. It can generate 2 per precision kill. I have been running that and the Finisher creates Threadlings, and it's just non-stop minions, in conjunction with Generation and Evolution. Highly recommend.
U could also combine it with explosive finisher, the mod that gives u orbs when performing a finisher and 2 stacks on stacks. This will create a loop. Giving u ur nade back with each finish along with creating threadlings each time
Do you have a load out link or dim setup?
Where's the build
I think thread of rebirth generates more threadlings if its a orange or yellow heath bar enemies. I killed a champion and I'm pretty sure 4 threadlings popped out
Datto one important thing you missed in the suspend build. Your melee UNRAVELS. And that ALSO spreads. So building into some strength or running the fragment that gives melee energy when damaging things with a tangle (will refund a full melee charge if you throw it at things most times) IS VERY WORTH IT.
Definitely! The other thing Arcane Needle is great for is adding range to your poison application - far beyond what Osteo can reach - which is super helpful in higher-difficulty content. I actually build into strength, and have even had some success using Monte Carlo instead of Osteo for maximum melee uptime (though unfortunately the melee kickstart mods don't seem to work with Arcane Needle).
Yeah, i run this loadout with the melee over time mod for +30 extra strength and its so fucking good to have a poison sniper ready whenever
Using 1 Impact Induction, 1 Focusing Strike and Either Firepower/Heavy Handed keeps your class ability up ALL THE TIME with the right orb setup. Think of Strand like a tank. you don't NEED extra damage usually when nothing can fight back.
@@bdpSovietafr0 using the same logic you dont need Woven mail if nothing can fight back. Which frees up a fragment that gets you melee energy by throwing tangles (which youll will spawn on cooldown anyway), which in turn frees up arm mods you now don't have to use on melee regenerating things. Also, I assume you meant melee not class ability.
@@bdpSovietafr0 yeah but I like to blow through things fast
felwinter helm and grapple is a really fun and somewhat viable combo because of the grapple melee and easy access to finisher, bonus point for enabling the bloodborn style fashion
The new void fragment that makes nearby enemies volatile after a finisher is good with Felwinter's Helm too
I've been wanting to make a good Felwinter's Helm setup ever since I got the thing, and this works so perfectly it's NUTTY
This has been my build for about a week now - much more fun than Necro just stand & spray.
The new mod system absolutely gutted my Felwinter build, but it still did work through the whole legend campaign, both with that new void fragment and strand.
I've been using felwinters helm since i got strand unlocked and its really fun
Hey datto hope ur having a good day
He don’t know you bro
@@c0n2oo3 cringe
@jal3nYT and OP comment isnt?
We need more people like divine
@DivineAB. I hope you have an even better day
I just want to say I really like the "this isn't the only way you can run this build" approach you've been taking recently.
So many other build guides treat their builds like they're the second coming of Christ and that swapping out a single mod makes everything fall apart.
I'm more of a "I want to play into X, let me explore all the ways I can use Y and Z to make X stronger" buildcrafter and I really appreciate these videos :)
We need elitist datto builds.
The Osteo Suspend build also works with Thorn, and I've had a little more fun that route. If you prefer hand cannons over SMGs, I find that Thorn promotes a bit more aggression because you have to go get the Remnants it creates, but also seems to be a little better at killing chunkier targets since the DoT stacks faster.
Fellow Thorn user AND a Majora’s Mask avatar? You have excellent taste.
The Chad Thorn vs the Virgin Osteo Striga
@@MrNuclearz lmaooo, I still use Pete’s in nightfalls and whenever I have to carry my team 😭😭 but it’s totally a virgin gun sadly
I know it has nothing to do with this video but contraverse holds feels even more powerful than it did last season. I suggest any of my warlock brothers to give it a try
I think void grenades got a buff
I tried those with 100 discipline+ other mods and it felt like my grenade had no cooldown time
@@hansuluthegrey8524 I've encountered few enemies that can survive my charged vortex grenades. It definitely gets less value in content with enemies that die too fast
As a contraverse main since i first got the exotic, it feels arguably worse this season with the removal of the initial grenade recharge upon impact damage. However, i can still throw another grenade before my vortex even runs out so i can't complain.
i have been a contraverse enjoyer since 2018, do not cite the deep magic to me witch, i was there when it was written
Seeing how Weaver's Call just makes 3 threadlings, I really am wondering what they're going to do with the next set of aspects for Warlock. "The Wanderer" really makes me wonder. I can definitely see it buffing Threadlings further so I'm a bit nervous about that since I like having options, but that's just how it goes sometimes. Cautiously excited for the future.
You could even say it makes your mind wander
I think that the threadlings should heal you when they return
Honestly I just want bipedal threadlings
i hope it isn't threadling focused, i'd feel like a void hunter only being limited to one fantasy
Weaver’s Call is extremely mid by default because it also makes your rift cooldown take longer. We don’t even get the choice to avoid that pitfall right now.
if anyone doesn’t know, the shader on the hive portion of Verity’s is actually a Y1 shader called Desert Matte, using it will make any fashion style work with Verity’s
ur goated
glad to see more destiny fashion enthusiasts
I would like to put forth traveler’s chosen as an option for the first build. It’s catalyst gives it osmosis for strand functionality and it really helps with ability uptime
And it has EXTREMELY good range for a sidearm!
I like to combine traveler's chosen with Verity's brow and it's amazing how good and consistent your ability economy feels
FYI Unless this was changed- Weavers call explosion kills DO proc firepower for grenade energy orbs. you can run this and heavy handed. They do not proc the other "grenade" hits/final blows for whatever reason, but this is the exception. TLDR: Use firepower on your gloves for this build.
The Swarmers' tangle that spawns the threadlings works very well with Thread of Fury. Thread of Fury makes you get Melee energy by doing damage with a tangle. The threadlings that come off of each tangle actually give a ton of energy. If you throw a tangle into a group, not only will it kill the enemies pretty reliably but you can sometimes get 3 charges from 1 throw. If you want to go with Heavy Handed to spawn your orbs, this is not a bad way to go about it considering the amount of tangles you are spawning with this build.
Swarmers makes it so the damage done by the threadlings spawned by tangles counts as tangle damage. This means more damage to proc thread of fury, giving you insane melee regen without needing to really spec into it
Fun fact, the suspending detonation counts as grenade damage. I’m pretty sure it does at least, as it seems to trigger firepower for me if it kills anything.
grapple also counts as grenade and melee
Yeah this is why Verity’s Brow + golden tricorn strand weapon is smooth as butter. Just shoot the gun after consuming the grenade and the detonation damage goes up, procs tricorn on kills, and now you’re cruising with x2 which makes looping this even easier.
I really like the grapple variant - if you have orb issues on threadling build. It still makes three threadlings, and the grapple melee counts as charged melee AND grenade damage. You can make two orbs per kill. I don't think the extra two threadlings are worth running threadling grande and consuming, especially since threadling grenade recharges slower. You can get so many threadlings with tangles, rift, etc etc. I also use the fragment that gives you melee energy from tangle damage, since that's an easy way to generate orbs on strand in most content
laughs in tangle cooldown
@@PsYcO9iKiLl9YaH 15 seconds isn't that long in the grand scheme of things
And when you have the grapple you can grapple to a tangle over and over to get tons of threadlings and orbs (if your team mates don't decide to throw or shoot it)
@@jacob-2271 or you can just use a strand weapon and create threadlings for days. and yes the biggest issue (atleast with randoms) is the same as with Warmind cells back then, people will always and ever destroy them no matter what and thats why imo tangles are not that good atleast with randys. and i absolutely hate that stupid grapple so thats not in the slightest an option for me. i play destiny for the gunplay and sadly they become more and more garbage af. and 15 seconds is alot of time in destiny. i will stick with my contraverse/monarque voidlock till i die or they delete on of them.
I use the infinite suspend build, but I use Vexcaliber over Osteo. I run into groups of enemies, spreading poison with the glave and suspending them. The poison procs will keep your oversheild from Vexcaliber up because it constantly refills your block gauge. I have not had this much fun playing destiny in a long time and I hope none of this gets changed
A thing I like to run is the melee orb maker and then the fragment that gives melee energy on tangle damage. Throwing a tangle gives dummy melee energy and the threadlings spawned from the boots also give melee. That really helped me solve my orb generation problem
I don't think Datto realizes that the infinite suspend builds aren't boring BECAUSE they are so cool to use. It's way better than sitting in a well and spamming nades. honestly, I think the suspend build is super fun and good, and datto has some pretty backward thinking here.
I love using grapple with Karnsteins. Insane survavibility, and the right set of mods gets you 80-90% of the grapple back after a final blow from the grapple melee. The melee -> grenade energy mod is surprisingly strong, potentially too strong. 10-15%ish grenade energy for a single unpowered slap strong.
"just because it's not a good lookin exotic doesn't mean it's not good"
I'm sorry are you one of these new light?
We are vain around these parts. If a piece of armor does not aesthetically vibe with my warlock I will not wear it.
Fashion is the real endgame. And at this point it's tougher than the raid.
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The Hatchling weapon perk works with Thread of Rebirth, so if a hatchling spawned threadling kills an enemy then that hatchling has a chance to turn into another threadling. It's fun on the Machine gun since it's got a lot of ammo but Idk how it is on other weapons.
Warlock strand got me to quit hunter void as my main in pve. I’m very happy with how much fun I’m having.
What if I told you Datto had that dawg in him?
I just wish strand builds weren't so reliant on the kinetic slot for their primary; it forces me out of build synergies to use something like izanagi or arbalest
I like how strand is amazing on every class, different subclasses have strong and weak points for each class but there's no "best" strand class
For the osteo build you don’t have to run any siphon mods tbh, you can use firepower and kills from the suspension effect will spawn orbs. Having kinetic siphon on top of that does help though
You WILL eat the threadlings, you will NOT make orbs from grenade kills
Solar warlock builds would be nice, but maybe ignore starfire protocol for that video lol
Threadlings need to be buffed and you can not change my mind
Hey Datto. Long, long time fan here. Life and school have gotten the better of me and i haven’t given myself the time to pick up Destiny in years. The last raid I beat was Leviathan. I was the only one in my friend group to get Forsaken and never completed it because i didn’t really have anyone to play with. Basically fizzled out on the game right as LW came out, haven’t touched it since. I can give you the name of some of the expansions and raids just from what I hear conversationally but that’s all I know about the game over the past 3/4 years.
For some reason, Im assuming because of lightfall, Destiny content has been all over my RUclips and Twitter feed and it’s piqued my interest. I wanna get back to the grind.
You’re the only person i trust to guide me back. If there’s a video already i’d love to be pointed to it, otherwise i would never be able to thank you enough for a video along the likes of “so you haven’t touched destiny since forsaken”.
It’s a selfish request I know, but man i miss this game and miss understanding what the hell you’re taking about.
If any viewers have a few videos that they think could catch me up if i watch them all i have no qualms with going on a little binge, too. Anything works as long as i feel caught up.
Much love.
Lightfall has mixed opinions on it, so if you’re looking to get back into it, maybe look into some reviews. I’d maybe recommend waiting on a sale. All the DLC was 67% off recently, but usually go on sale around the end of March anyway. BYF has videos explaining the story from launch of D1 to lightfall, so you can get caught up. I’d recommend witch queen over lightfall in its current state as the campaign was better. Lightfall is the transition between Witch Queen and Final Shape, and so it doesn’t add much to the story, it just sets the scene. There is a good backlog of things to do though if you get the older expansions. Again, I’d recommend waiting for deep discounts on anything, but if you want something to do now, I’d highly recommend witch queen first.
I stumbled across the osteo suspend combo when levelling up my Osteo (returning player) and it was so good I felt bad for using it
It just ruins enemies its so easy to use
“Just because it’s not a good looking exotic, doesn’t mean it not good” *cough* Khepri *cough*
The suspend build gets exponentially more fun to play when you use Vexcalibur as your exotic weapon. Get the overshield, activate weaver's call and get in the middle of everything. The moment an orb of power drops you gonna stack poison, suspend, woven mail and volatile. Fun times.
I know it’s not a super meta elite weapon, but Final Warning with my Threadling/Unravel build is excellent. The full charge applying Unravel to targets is phenomenal for keeping grenade charge going, and the single target damage when aiming down sights is actually pretty fantastic for a sidearm. I highly recommend it to any Strandlocks.
It’s actually absurd how good that gun is. A must for any strand builds imo
@@chronic_leuk7463 The add clear is amazing. When you've got the loop going you're wiping swarms of adds even while reloading (I use Necrotics and am constantly adding poison for even more damage). For instance, it's far more effective than a voltshot Ikelos SMG, one of my favorite all time guns. I took it into the Terminal Overload to try and practice the mechanic and it made it so easy -- just melting all the harpies allowing us (it was just me and my son for a bit and then a third guardian joined us) to get through the boss phases quickly in the final boss. I was assuming I would be a liability during the activity, my son was working on the catalyst for Quicksilver Storm so I thought I'd see what it was all about while he did most of the killing. Nope, I ended up with over twice as many kills as he, typically a better player than me, managed and even with only the two of us for most of the three sections we cleared the activity faster than it usually was taking with 5 or 6 guardians. The add clear is very real! The only weakness is the vex chickens, it feels like too many of the bullets don't hit for damage unless they're coming straight at you. But that's why you have the LMG.
@@brienhays5508 you can hop fire for more damage against wyverns until they get staggered and then when their crit is exposed you can like two burst them with ads, it’s actually crazy
incandescent Glaive while wearing necrotic grips spreads both scortch and poison on melee glaive kills
That's exactly the build I want. Shoot everything and not even have to think about stuff. Can't wait to go try this out when I get home! Thanks Datto
Threadling builds are underrated. And Strand melee is a sleeper, for both types of builds. The distance is stupid, it generates a tangle that makes 2 threadlings with Swarmers. With Necrotics the unraveling(?) and poison feed each other
Glaives are a fun addition to the necro build.
if osteo is boring try Judgement of Kelgorath with Enhanced Incandescent with Necrotic Grips on Strand-lock. Not only do you generate aoe poison/suspend, but they also all chain ignite! Its a blast! Technically, its several blasts, on after another! xD
A build I've fallen in love with, even in higher difficulty content is traveler's chosen and karnstein armlets. The grapple to melee combo procs the healing of karnstein without wasting your melee energy. Traveller's is really strong and with its catalyst gives you strand damage on it allowing it to proc unraveling rounds. Combine that with the fragments that reloads everytime you grapple and the damage grenade regen, with travelers intrinsic gives you insane uptime on the grapple. If you play it right you can damage an enemy, grapple into them, spread threading, heal any damage you may have taken, tank any further damage for another few seconds and then wail on enemies with unraveling rounds. Add onto that the mods that spawn orbs with grenade and melee kills, you will get TWO orbs per grapple and melee combo. Throw stacks on stacks and charged up and you have 4 armor charges instantly which gives woven mail making you even more tanky. Throw some grenade Kickstart in there and you are eating good.
Use a glaive too
@@davidwriv I've tried that as well but the glaive melee messes with the grapple melee. If you accidentally grapple with your glaive out, the melee only does the glaive melee which usually isn't strong enough to kill and proc the regen.
I saw this synergy immediately, and realized how busted it was. I'm def using it, but moreso also because I'm comboing volatile flow with it too with the new void grenade launcher that can roll envious assassin and repulsor brace.
It's dumb. it's plain dumb. I love it.
If your speccing into volatile, i would suggest running wavesplitter. It perfectly fits with the title of this video in that its so good its boring.
Harvey dent.... Can we trust him......
Just a note, heard the suspend detonation can trigger both bolstering detonation and firepower so could be useful
I personally use a hybrid of suspend and threadling and it’s fun as hell
Wake up honey, new datto build video just dropped!
Does verity brow up the dmg etc when you consume your grenade or it has to be thrown???
I kinda hope our next aspect is Threadling based as well. I love my freaky little pillbug kids, they’re a great source of Unravel.
For Hunters: Don't sleep on Manticore. I know it didn't seem great last season, but combine it with Cyrtarachne's Facade and general hunter grapple gameplay and it really comes into it's own. With Woven mail, Manticore Catalyst, and 100 resilience you're looking at 83% damage resist (76% if you're not counting resil). Pair with a recuperation mod and you have effectively infinite health. Manticore also just does some pretty darn good damage and this season gets volatile rounds from the artifact. You need to move around and don't like how slow manticore makes you? Just grapple away, and get woven mail in the process.
It's soo weird seeing Datto becoming more... disenfranchised more than he already is.
With the grapple, heavy handed and firepower both work off of a grapple melee, so that is 2 orbs on demand. Combine that with reaper and a siphon mod and you will be swimming in orbs as long as you grapple onto tangles. In this case I would use utility kickstart instead of grenade kickstart as you should be grappling tangles most of the time to keep looping it.
Yeah I won’t lie, the 2nd build is very overkill in low level content. I did a strike and I took majority of the kills and made the most orbs (if not, made all of the orbs). But for endgame content, it’s a fantastic build.
Fun fact. The “detonation” counts as grenade damage. The unravel needsls count as melee damage. If your necrotics kill stuff from a melee, it will count every double kill from it as a melee kill for orbs.
I personally use Apotheosis Veil, as it makes your super feel suprisingly lethal;
You open up with a consumed threadling grenade and rift, for 8 threadlings
you cast your super, creating 6 more threadlings
and you consume another threadling grenade and use anothre rift, for 8 more threadlings, for a total of 20-ish threadlings in the span of a dozen seconds or so.
You just made a build with around a 6 minute cooldown, that's why no one else uses that helmet. It's strong, but you can make more threadlings more consistently other ways, travelers chosen can do the same thing and works without the need to cast your super to do so
im pretty sure enemies that die to the suspend blast count as "grenade kills" so itll make orbs with firepower
im not sure if its unintended and will be changed or "fixed" at some point, but when you have weavers call active, ALL kills count as grenade kills iirc, so mods like "grenade hits give you melee energy" and "grenade kills grant super energy" and stuff are actually extremely powerful on the striga build.
also using melee in tandem with striga is actually better than using striga on its own, because the melee does the same thing striga does, and also procs unraveling, which just increases the dot by a ridiculous amount. this build is honestly stupid lmao, its too good.
Fun fact, Threadlings from Hatchling can spawn another Threadling on final blow with Thread of Rebirth
I've had that chain before
Necrotic was triggering glaive effects (Incandecent, destabilizing rounds, exotic glaive effects) as well, so theres that.
Mindspun invocation could be down to **10 SECONDS** and it would be way too good with Osteo-Necrotics since you only need about 6 kills to refill your grenade fully.
Playing alone I almost ALWAYS have a shackle grenade up with 10 SECONDS on the clock. And it was bugged so that the shackle burst wasn't stunning unstops, now it does.
DPS-Tank hybrids (like Shackle-lock) swing wildly in strength from either being GARBAGE AWFUL UNPLAYABLE to Completely trivializing every part of the game... The Strand builds in game now are all in that "They trivialize everything that isn't a raid boss" place
Continuity, warding, finality and generation. That’s what I chose first for a mixture of survivability and a literal threadling God. Consume grenade,cast rift then it’s like. GO MY CHILDREN FEAST APON THEM! It’s so dumb and I love it
Do I play Warlock? No.
Do I care about Warlock Builds? No.
Am I gonna watch this video made by Datto? YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT I AM.
Karnstein > Grapple > Melee from grapple.
100 Res, 100 Disc, 70-100 Intellect.
With the right helmet mods for melee giving super energy, super is up an ungodly amount. Constant healing. Constant mobility and damage.
Been using it for a couple weeks now. Even in contest mode raid. Master NF. Etc.
You’re welcome.
For the Necrotics Strand build, I prefer to go all into my melee/grapple melee. It's like, empirically worse than suspend osteo, but its really fun, y'know? Who knew that the chaining DoT debuff(unravel) would work really well with the chaining DoT debuff(poison). I run grenade kickstart + stacks on stacks and stacked up, but with full strength. With that and thread of generation discipline becomes an actual dump stat and I can still spam grapples all day. Firepower and heavy handed both work for grapple melee, granting 2 orbs every grapple smack, plus 1 or 2 more when the necrotics get a kill after the cooldown. I'm still running 100 strength however, and for good reason. Whimsically flicking a green sparkle sparkle into a group of enemies with a bubbly smile on my face and a *teehee!* escaping my lips only to afflict my opponents with GIGA-LIGMA^2 never gets old, the melee animation for only spending 1 charge is so funny to me.
I've been having a ton of fun running Strand as a Spider Man grapple melee build, myself. I run Woven Mail from Orbs of Power, slot mods to max out my Grenade Energy generation and generate Orbs of Power with grenades, and then fly around grapple meleeing stuff to explode it. It's relatively competent boss DPS, pretty much 1 shots entire packs of majors and red bars, and is wildly fun. If I'm in more difficult content, I might slap on Karnstein's for self healing, but typically I'm running Necrotic Grips, as they trigger off your Grapple Melee. So flying into a pack of enemies and Grapple Meleeing sets off a huge chain reaction of Necrotic Grip explosions.
With that build, at the end of Seasonal Battlegrounds I'm typically sitting at upwards of 280+ Kills per battleground.
Interstingly enough, I don't see that you covered a Melee heavy warlock build here. Ironically, it's on par if not better than Hatchlings (I still love my little green doodles...), and even _withtout_ Striga, it will give you some damage + survivability "perks" for more end-game level content. Yes.. it still uses the Necro Grips - but heyo - the grips are what makes Striga "surpreme".
Also... who thinks "Warlock" and "Melee" in the same sentence or even paragraph? (btw.. the grips mayyyy spread unravelling too... among other things)
Thread of Ascent + Thread of Generation and 4th Times/Target Lock on a Retrofit Escapade gives you stupid boss damage. I have 3 Grenade Kickstarts on, and I can magdump the Retrofit, throw a grenade, magdump again, throw *another* grenade, and magdump a third time. Nearly 3 million boss damage on the 3rd encounter in the raid's pretty good, I think.
I'm using the Shackle grenades, I just don't trust the grenade Threadlings to actually do their job and I don't like the grapple. It does make it awkward with the current Swarmers bug, but I just remember to shoot the Tangles, not throw them.
Osteo + Grips build is really only potent due to the fact it synergizes with the base warlock strand kit so well. and you can run the build without either grips or striga and it'll still go pretty well. Its a rather low investment. You can run zero fragments and Osteo + Striga will still carry broodweaver. I don't think it should get nerfed as warlock has limited access to suspend and Osteo + Grips are just doing its intended design for add-clear. Onto Threadlings.......
I'm disappointed with Threadlings. At base Threadlings just do damage and that's it. They have ZERO synergy with strand verbs at base. I at the very least expected Threadlings to have built in verbs for a subclass named BROODWEAVER, the warlock sublcass Bungie hyped up to be a summoner and a Threadling master as its specialty. But at release they're just weak,and a dumb AI if you want to buff the Threadlings you HAVE to invest 2 fragments and an exoctic slot JUST to give Threadlings the ability to interact with ONE strand verb and a somewhat consistent loop since tangles themselves have a LONG cooldown that ruins the flow for Threadling Broodweaver. As of now Threadlings really offer nothing
Berserker Titans offer Suspend and Woven mail to a fireteam, which gives berserkers huge team support value. And thats just base Berserker with no exotics. Mixing in exotics just boosts the value even further. They're base design is pretty good
Threadrunner offer unlimited grapple points and suspend + Sever, they greatly enhance other strand subclasses gameplay loop and allows Threadrunner to move around the map with vicious mobility and speed. Equiping that fragment that reloads tor weapons after using a grenade ability with their forever grapple points gives them huge DPS potential with their weapons. Their base design is pretty good
Broodweaver offers? Threadlings that do okay damage when players already have other more better options for damage focused builds? Its a hard ask to build into Threadlings when Osteo/Grips, Starfire, Osiomancy, Devourlock offers much much better generalized value in any given fireteam... and for a subclass that aims to take full advantage of a summoner identity, bungie missed the mark hard in my opinion which is a let down as I was excited mainly for the summoner fantasy.
What if the Swarmers exotic armor reduces the cooldown of spawning tangles which allows much higher uptime of Threadlings? And creating more tangles for your team to use that greatly boost the loop of other Strand players?
What if Weavers call Aspect has another function were upon casting a rift and damaging combatants while in your rift steadily spawns threadlings? And if those Threadlings damage targets gives you rift energy? And equipping the empowering rift also boosts the damage of those Threadlings?
What if Broodweaver's Threadlings had extra functionality at base since its their identity? Like being more aggressive and smarter? Or killing debuffed targets spawns Threadlings? Or when out of combat you slowly generate Threadlings out of thin air? Or Threadlings Sever targets in an AOE explosion giving them a unique control role?
What if there's an alternative class ability option where you sacrifice equipping your Rifts to rip into the Cosmic Web and create a big webbed mass of strand matter that spews out Threadlings in waves to seek out potential targets and over time this web collapse into a tangle if not destroyed? These are just merely ideas
TLDR; If Threadlings want to be good, they need to have synergy with strand verbs at base. I'm hoping Broodweaver gets another aspect that severely beefs up Threadlings from cosmic kittens into Eldritch Predators
I would just like to say that I think thread of warding is a horrible choice for warlock. The 10 seconds on woven mail after an orb pickup does not help your survivability enough in endgame to make a difference. And anywhere but endgame, you can survive just fine with the two orb healing mods on legs and then 70 resilience. Most things are going to be dead before they can kill you anyways.
Personally I went for fury, propagation, evolution, and generation. For stats I went 30 mobility, 70 resilience, 100 recovery, 30 discipline(dead stat because of thread of generation), 70 intellect(the super is amazing which is not common for warlocks), and 60 strength(gains from fury scale off of your strength stat but seem to have diminishing returns).
The weak points of broodweaver is definitely survivability. But at current there is really no way to fix that besides just...idk. Getting better I guess. I'm fine with warlocks not having real access to woven mail though, but I'd really like to have an extra effect added to weaver's call that either regens health or regens rift energy because the only way I have to regen rift energy at current is 1. Waiting. And 2. Dealing damage with my melee for focusing strike.
As for weapons I just use what I always use. Quicksilver, inquisitor, and hothead.
This subclass is a glass cannon, but it is not extremely aggressive like datto is putting it. That will not work in endgame. Most people will find more success with a suspend build because it is safer, but it deals an extremely low amount of damage compared to the threadling build. But I much prefer the threadling build.
I legit leveled up my Warlock to try the poison/suspend build when the web was kicking it around, but yeah. Ended up at the same conclusion.
Am already back to my solar and void Hunter builds.
Gyrfalcons + Bow is broken but still needs at least some mental capacity to pay attention to buffs and timers.
And then as for my good ol' Gunslinger, well... you try making an equivalently good build with Nighthawk nowadays....
I'm running necrotic/osteo with the judgement of kelgorath with enhanced incandescent. I whack, solar explosion, Strand explosion, poison explosion. If the explosions kill they spread.
When you branch into the other elements you should dip your toes into Sunbracers.
Starfire is all the hype for good reason but I feel like Sunbracers is getting HEAVILY overshadowed by it's brother. Infinite grenades, infinite melee ability uptime, 10 second class ability and 30 second well of radiance. Ever popped 2 well of radiance at the same time? I have with this build.
And with the amount of orbs you make you are unkillable with the healing with orbs mod (forgot the name)
My warlock build is stinky because I don’t have swarmers yet but I use the exotic vesper of radius which has that burst of energy on class ability use along with quicker recharge of said ability when surrounded. Is a wonderfully fun pubstomber build where you treat the class ability more like a grenade. Surrounded? Class ability. Need heal? Class ability. Need threadlings? Class ability. Have perched threadlings and a champions running at you? Class ability.
It’s fun but not great for endgame.
Imo nothing on warlock (outside of pvp cause I don't care for it) nothing on warlock should be nerfed mainly because, and I say this as a warlock main, anything higher than legends it's always "hey can you run well? And maybe Div too?" Well is the only thing that warrants a nerf and EVEN THEN it would still be a must have for damage buffs / healing
I thought you were an expert at 15 warning is an automatic if you’re running a friend warlock Kim warning why wouldn’t you derive to be collecting our flight crazy you’re always gonna have 60% more damage resistance. It’s a no-brainer generation awarding our no brainer you always run them now whether you run a couple reveling faced fragments or something else that is up to you, but those two should be on every brand build every warlock build out. Glad you get a different with a titan right you don’t you get it from your shield or something I forget I haven’t play titan Wikstrand, so I I can’t speak to that, but I’m Morlock, your friend build it just automatically contains awarding and generation.
That’s crazy. Another Warlock build that breaks the game? Well, should probably nerf HOIL again and finish up with Synthoceps.
If they reduce the duration of Weaver's Trance they better reduce the base cooldown of Shackle grenades. Not all of us are running 100 discipline, and nerfing Weaver's Trance won't fix this problem when Thread of Generation is giving grenades back instantly from all that poison damage.
I better not have to wait 2 minutes for a 15 second buff.
I stop using the Necro build after 2 days because ITS BORING AND TOO EASY!
*Felwinters swing punch or Mantle of BH for the fast super or +20% damage* is my go to.
Is there a point to using the Harmonic Version of mods if you have the Strand Versions at 1 cost?
Edit: Even without Necrotics the Infinite Suspension Build is great. Idk what makes its so OP because it's my current Strand build but I've been trying out Threadlings just for a little bit of a different style.
I love using Swarmers and/or Verity's, but they're both just...so ugly lol. Managed to make...A look using the seasonal armor though, since both have random weird metal bits and wires.
It's funny that before Strand, I thought Osteo-Grips was fun but not good enough to bring into high level content. And now it's so strong that it's really useful in that content, but annoying to have on your team for lower end stuff.
Just so everyone can steal my drip if they so choose, S'phtish Cover with Emerald splash and Dendrite Shimmer Robes with Ruinous Clash, other armor up to preference, is the pro-strat end game Cthulhu drip for Threadling build. Have fun, my Eldritch brethren
my hunter has been using Assassin's Cowl with Finisher mods to either make ammo or give me armor charge. There does seem to be some behavior issues with the Ropedart melee while invis, tho. There's already a skill curve to the catching mechanic, but it seems like the dart ALSO loses sight of you if you're moving around while invis.
infinite suspend with a Hunter is as easy as saying Sixth Coyote (which, in retrospect, isn't THAT easy to say, but you get it).
I got so bored with this build that I switched to Vexcalibur and learned that:
1) the empowered Void melee can benefit from Volatile Rounds
2) Necrotics spread the Volatile procs
Whenever Volatile Flow is on the relic, I recommend trying this out
Also highly recommend Thread of Warding for this variant because it stacks with the Void overshield damage reduction
Nezarec’s sin + graviton lance trivializes the game completely. You basically have infinite uptime on volatile and devour, and the orb generation is absurd. I make 100+ orbs per run of defiant battlegrounds
No way, not worry about demo on the web for Nick and get hatchling in the same spot. Generally in Grenada energy is not an issue. Demo is not needed Brandon front I mean canceling it is far more preferred on any weapon used for the Granville google Bradley fuckers are bad ass, the Morgan won the better the power of strand is that you can have both things that your control you can have call control methods with a Shackle Grenade, but you can also have a little army of minions that are usually won three to time and I don’t lie I get my iPhone downtown Around six or seven and little fuckers running around. Anna and I am not using a Bradley grenade. I tried that I didn’t see it as useful. I’m also not that fond of verities Brown because I get sick of worrying about keeping up you know 55 packs for that But it does do that for damage. I mean Siri play honor for Sam Morgan, a damage on Aldo suspend explosions in and took friend. I mean check Alberni killed. It definitely works the difference from playing thrown at him off at killing everything and krone Marvin having to clean off the map.
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On the Osteo build, why is Datto running Strand Siphon instead of Kinetic Siphon. Aren’t most of the kills coming from Osteo? Wouldn’t kinetic generate more orbs?
I can see that you’re a K maybe with a O I’ll hell I can’t even think of the name of inside the pulse rifle that gives you lots of super energy and it’s really accurate and now I got some kind of off Jeff recently if I remember correctly, I mean aside from the fall frightful boss, but I got pacifically got something extra in any case I can pay using that maybe with something and exotic that house generator by Luke Bryan energy, tracking into Red Wings and using God Doug, the front fragments that Beats up your super no by causing a suspend and trying to regenerate your super relatively quickly. I mean I get supers all the time the way my build it now and I’m not directing the time for that other than asked just ask that question comes back really hard into trying to generate that super And then just throw supers a lot. I assume if the super generate also spending glass that means anything to spend it will generate a suspending the explosion when you destroy it but I would need to be tested although you might just find out that it’s not that you’re calling in because most things this guy has a super anyway I don’t know it does have a certain interest, but again most play your Jeff spec intergenerational morning rebirth and then whatever the one is that let your friend likes do you know leave the Nazca go out in further and kill shed and do more damage and then you go back to what I said, you know, your needle in a crowd brought her and eight on it. The damage from a grenade will cause unraveling to spread because it’s a very low fragile and I have anything left after you throw the grenade which it won’t be because you have five Deborah going yeah you gotta leave and I kill every 11 seconds but stop Siri play. It’s a no-brainer Build and it really is only one now commonly used one although the grapple melee build it is from one becoming popular. I think people are playing with that. I played with it the other day and I see why are you can literally if you expect him to getting your Mili back and your grandpa back your little run around not firing a weapon Jeff grandpa my way and shit all over the battlefield
I need my threadlings from swallowing my grenade to proc grenade mod stuff. I know that would be way overpowered, but that's what i want. Still love this build. Been doimg it since i got the exotic. Swallowing my nade unloading my heavy machine gun reloading my nade and swallowing to reload my heavy felt optimal af.
Threadlings are so mid honestly. They suicide on immune enemies and phalanx shields way too often. Way too slow and the damage falls off a cliff in harder content.
When you deplete your entire grenade/class ability only for the threadlings to all miss or kill themselves on an immune thing you know the build is mid.
When an exotic doesn’t look good, I tend to just say “fuck it” and go the whole way, theming around that exotic. Like with *verity’s brow* I just find other armour pieces with bones on it and find a neat shader like *dreaming spectrum* or *gambit suede* to help mesh it all together.
I cant stop using grapple melee necrotic grips. I am of the belief that if you aint using a strand weapon with strand or using the grapple, especially with warlock jump, you're doing it wrong, the osteo striga build is so overkill, restrictive, and doesn't generate nearly as much super energy. I also find the threadlings build too complicated when i can do the exact same ad clear with one needle melee then grapple onto the strand tangle, profit. Mixing this with jolt and anarchy or just two tailed fox jolt, does numbers. Next i wanna try the jolt fusion with necrotic needle melee and the weaken from deterministic chaos for major utility.
STOP MAKING ME HAVE TO GRIND LEGEND LOST SECTORS FOR NECROTIC GRIPS
(I did like 5-6 and want to die, didn't even get a single exotic lol)
Not trying to be the “but Datto did you mention this variation!?” guy, just want to throw out there that vexcalibur + winters guile on the latter suspend build has been really fun. Get overshield and swing away. Ramp up to x5 warlords sigil and chunk away at enemies. Can be tied to necrotic as well for spreader damage. Just a more engaging version of the build imo
Season 21 of cars to tear and die but the only thing in it from paragon Ravel write improved unraveling, which I don’t know if that document generates more unraveling threads or if they reach further or watt I don’t know what it does, but it’s there’s a no-brainer if you have 12 points and you only have about five things work through things first Portion brand so you’re going to Trudo improved unraveling and I’m a unraveling soldier or whatever the other one is called I mean wonders you’re better unraveling whatever that means and one gives you while unraveling anytime you want with male unraveling row so those are no-brainer‘s and you really don’t need to worry about expecting him to anything to make. You suck them because they’re just called passive everything is passive really in and didn’t see that it’s all passive shit so if you pick up an order and get woven mail, you have unraveling row and those unraveling rounds are in someway better.
I don’t know what it was like when you made the video but there are too many to brand weapons now to waste a fragment to reload your grenade launcher. My grenade launcher reload it, so I switch to it when I want to clear a mob but I’ve already it’s already loaded. Hi, I cleared the mile bridge it runs out. I just switch weapons again when I come back to it later and reload it And I’m using a Void welapon in the energy fly pet does the same thing all actually I think avoid weapon I’m using God every time I pick up a power Brett I have ammo brick hello fat weapon or maybe a text out that I don’t know I’ve got my head I don’t know I just know reloading your weapon. Who’s mad at you just you want it I don’t know why people make a big deal about it except in PvP it’s not a huge issue duck behind some thing reload your weapon invitation a while use your fragments for something that actually helps your bullshit faster or control the battlefield
It'd be so funny to me if every single warlock aspect was centrered around threadlings.
I'd LOVE a slide melee that makes a bunch of threadlings behind you when you use it and just using it three times in 5 seconds and having 12 threadlings behind me
I'd also love an aspect that made killing a strand debuffed enemy make a threadling with a cooldown after making a few like ice flare bolts
I'd also love one that just made threadlings just fly through the air like when they leap and deal more damage(damage only in PvE them just being faster would be enough for pvp) at the cost of no aoe