Greg Ganssle - Does Evil Abolish God?
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- Опубликовано: 21 июн 2020
- The burden must be on the theist to explain monstrous evils. How could God be a personal God, who cares about every human being, indeed every creature, and yet who allows massive and continuous evil? The theist responds, "Who can know the ways of God?" such that all that need be done is to deny logical contradiction between the existences of evil and God.
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Greg Ganssle is a Senior Fellow at the Rivendell Institute and lectures in the Department of Philosophy at Yale University. His work explores the intersection of Christian faith and contemporary scholarship.
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“The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.”
― Albert Einstein
Evil existed before humans came to this world (animal suffering)...how abot that?
There are two problems, how could we prevent people to became evil and how to explain what good is to a person who was never anything else but evil.
Books In Review Nice quote! However, I think more suffering is caused by people trying to stamp out evil, and impose their vision of ‘good’, than by those lazy laissez faire people who do nothing.
@@rubiks6 St. Thomas Aquinas was in agreement with me on this issue...
@@rubiks6 *1.* IF DEATH EXISTED BEFORE THE FALL ( *St Thomas Aquinas affirms the existence of death (of animals) before the fall* ), THEN WHAT WAS THE FALL? *2.* Are you *really* sure you can ( *in all honesty* ) logically (let alone emotionally) justify condemnation to death of the entire humanity for Adam's alleged "sin", having in mind what is said in the following quote : _If I owe a person money, and cannot pay him, and he threatens to put me in prison, another person can take the debt upon himself, and pay it for me; but if I have committed a crime, every circumstance of the case is changed; moral Justice cannot take the innocent for the guilty, even if the innocent would offer itself. To suppose Justice to do this, is to destroy the principle of its existence, which is the thing itself; it is then no longer Justice, it is indiscriminate revenge."_ *Thomas Paine* Age of reason
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. 😎
*The World Teacher - Jagadguru Svāmī Vegānanda* Well for one, I’m not a sir, and secondly my point was to illustrate that the Christian God or the Christian mythology, if you feel more comfortable with that, clearly states in its own book that God creates order and destruction.
Butler did it.
@@amityaffliction4848 lol, the funny mistake from that codex is that somewhere in it is written something like the God made humans as His image ...
Next, All the apes begin to make their Gods as another apes-like them ...
ROFL
First Name Surname That’s funny but actually what it means by image of God is more defining attributes rather than physical characteristics
@@amityaffliction4848 Well, I will not be The Ape telling to others wich attributes from my self reassembled God's attributes ...
God saves His Self from My Self ...
Evil is an inevitable consequence of free will. For determinists there can be no evil, it's simply reality playing itself out.
First of all, as I have stated elsewhere, what is good for the lion (claws, fangs, and stealth) is evil for the zebra. And what was evil for the dinosaurs (an extinction event caused by a meteor strike) was good for the development of mammals (such as humans). And what is evil for humans (devastating floods) is good for the land as it helps to replenish the soil nutrients.
The point is that we need to acknowledge the relative nature of evil.
Secondly, I suggest that God knows that it is essential that He (and His ultimate purpose for humans) remains hidden from us. In which case, it is the allowing of the existence of evil that helps to ensure His hiddenness because it makes humans doubt His existence.
And lastly, how about we stop blaming God for the evil that *we* do.
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TheUltimateSeeds I call that optimism 🙂 making good, and good coming of a bad situation, when that situation is out of your control. Interesting way of putting a different perspective.
This is not satisfying answer.
Where does evil come from and what is its purpose? Evil entered the world via pride, jealousy and its purpose is to destroy God's most valuable aspect of his creation...people.
well hell, why is Closer to Truth interviewing children?
First of all, in these discussions I believe it is necessary to differentiate between misfortune and evil. This will aid in the difficult task of defining evil. For example, in Nature living things kill and devour other living things, sometimes in ways in our human experience seem unnecessarily cruel. Thus, when a wildebeest is eaten by a lion the victim would consider this occurrence as evil, but the lion would regard it as quite satisfactory. When I was a young man I thought evil was simply the absence of good. Now that I have gone beyond four score years, I think evil is a reality in itself not as simple misfortune but rather in intention of a sentient entity to cause harm, pain or suffering for the sole pleasure of inflicting this effect.
Great video, no comment except nice use of high ISO’s
Funny... universe is a violent place. Cosmic rays, galaxies colliding, stars blowing up; yet here we are at the right distance from the sun, plants that symbiotically work to sustain life, etc etc. and we're stuck on some notion of evil that comes from man/homosapiens on this good earth ? Life is a myriad of things, events, happenings. Evil is in the basket; good is in the basket. Why? If there is up there is down. Would I prefer NO evil ? Sign me up. Yet here we are and we want to consider God as the author of it ?
A perfect theodicy. We voluntarily came to this earth, we just can't remember that. We chose to try polytheism, that maybe we can do without God. God never causes any suffering. God created fire, and if you put your hand into it, you will burn. You are responsible for your burned hand. God created marriage. If you have sex outside of marriage, you will have big problems. You created the problems. etc.. etc.. If you choose to ignore God's law, you take yourself and your family out of God's protection, causing suffering for your children. However, anyone who dies before the age of responsibility, 40 years old, goes to heaven, as their life was simply a submissive role. Now it is important to understand that there is a reason for us being here. God gave us worship practices that have a function on our soul that we cannot see. Worship of God alone develops our soul, which is very important as you will see. On the day of Judgement, only those who developed their souls by implementing the worship practices will have a strong enough soul to withstand God's presence. Those who did not believe, or those who did not develop their souls will escape to hell on their own accord. They will simply be unable to withstand the presence of God so they will find anyway they can to get away from God. Only hell will suffice. For the believers who did develop their souls, God's presence will be an unimaginable joy. Satan is the one who implements the harm on us. It is God's will that if we choose not to be in God's protection, we will suffer from our decision by the efforts of Satan. God has warned us. Obey God and be perfectly happy and safe now and forever, or, do nothing and remain in Satan's Chaos. Quran: The Final Testament by Dr. Rashad Khalifa
P.s. It was Satan who told Abraham to sacrifice his son in a dream. God intervened to protect his two righteous servants. They had already chosen to obey God and be protected by Him. God never advocates vice. God is the Most Merciful, the Most Gracious. We are the problem, and Satan lures us to doom. Peace.
Cannot have Yin without Yang
Isn't "evil" culturally defined? Which is another way of saying that evil is based on context within a society.
This is actually a smart one
There is no evil without judgement. There is no greater evil than bad judgement: judgment without the correct, full, context. There is no worse context than indifference to others(hubris): magnifying ones comfort and convenience, or opinion, above everyone else's.
You knew it was wrong and did it anyway(heedless of the cost to others and (intuitively) to oneself); or you didn't know if it was right did it anyway and failed to take responsibility(acted as if you had no responsibility).
Is nature evil? To assign evil to a tornado or earthquake seems to me as bad a judgement as assigning it to God. It seems irredeemably lacking in context. Just because it rained on your outdoor, birthday party doesn't mean rain is evil.
People and things whose context make themselves incapable of distinguishing between good and evil can only be judged as part of a hierarchy of greater or lesser evil by those with incomplete, contextual knowledge. The hidden context always condemns those who judge. The hidden context judges those who judge.
It’s my assumption that poops are evil
First time I've seen Kuhn actually challenge somebody for an (obviously) illogical belief.
I wish he did that more often
It’s not illogical. What is illogical is thinking you have an answer to a problem you are not aware of.
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@@SumNutOnU2b Creating evil and knowingly creating an arena (our spacetime universe) in which evil will inevitably come via the actions of others are not the same thing. Even if one understands that causally the chain begins with God either way (such that had God not created there would have been no evil), it is nevertheless a valid distinction.
If we're talking how much blame God has with one vs the other, especially on an emotional level perhaps for some the difference isn't substantial. For some, letting it happen is just as bad as creating it.
Of course, the moral ontology problem arises, namely that if God does not exist, people's preferences would seem to be all that we have. There actually is no evil.
Y’all ever seen the movie knives out?
Isn't that just outtakes from the Reddit stream ??
Can you take ALL of your accounts and troll elsewhere, please?
They talk as if they know who GOD is lol
Obviously God (if he/it exists) is causally responsible for evil; evil was, after all, the inevitable result of his creative act. So the only real question is whether God is morally responsible for evil. It's entirely possible to be the cause of something without bearing any moral responsibility for it, as when unknowingly causing a thing to happen, or by being powerless to prevent it from happening. But neither of these considerations applies to God, who is by hypothesis omniscient and omnipotent. God foreknew the evil that would result from creating the world as he did. He could have chosen to create a world in which there is no evil, or chosen not to create anything at all. It's irrelevant why he chose to create a world in which evil exists, because no possible answer (eg: evil is the result of human free will) implies that God either didn't know the evil that would result, or that he had no choice but to create such a world. If this point isn't clear, let's ask ourselves the following question: are Hitler's parents morally responsible for the holocaust? The answer of course is no, because Hitler's parents had no knowledge of the future. But what if they had? Then there would be no doubt about their moral culpability: they would have foreseen what their future offspring would do, and had the power to prevent it by not having a child, but elected to have one regardless. They would therefore be both causally and morally responsible for the holocaust.
Like all theists, he just keeps talking and hopes you don't notice that he didn't say anything.
There are 3 possible universes. Perfect one we cannot change anything in, perfect one in which we can change things in and imperfect one in which we can change things in. In first case there is no reason for intelligence to exist in it, in second case it is evil because every change intelligence makes is to the worse and the third one is the one that gives intelligence the sense of ownership - because it can mold it however it wants. For good, or for worse. Any universe of third type will have to have evil in it. The question is, why not as little evil as possible? And, imo, the answer is - the more evil there is, the bigger potential for the intelligence to make it better.
This video illustrates the problem with theism perfectly. It's never about what's actually true. It's about what people WANT to believe, and how to rationalize it. Can one believe in a loving God despite all the evil? Sure, just bend here, and stretch there, and invent a shitload of excuses, and here you go. I could go on about how ANY argument about the necessity of any particular evil betrays a lack of imagination, but the details are actually irrelevant. Once a person decides what they WANT to believe and sets out to DEFEND this particular belief, the mortal sin against rationality has already been committed.
If you believe reality is limited to what you can rationally think, why? If you identify as a material object, do you know of a compelling theory of how matter can develop such beliefs?
@@PaulHoward108 > If you believe reality is limited to what you can rationally think, why?
It's definitely not limited to that. Given how vast and complex our reality is, and how limited human intelligence is, I find it pretty arrogant to assume that everything can be understood by humans, even in principle. But epistemic rationality is not a dogma or even a method, it's simply the same thing as honest search for truth, by definition. If you invent a method of magical divination that produces knowledge as reliably as the scientific method does, I think scientists will happily incorporate divination into their arsenal. Whatever works, really.
> If you identify as a material object, do you know of a compelling theory of how matter can develop such beliefs?
No, I don't, and neither does anyone else. And while there's nothing wrong about speculating on such philosophical topics, the moment people start believing they have some answers, these answers must be subject to every bit of scrutiny, as every belief should be. Taking them on faith is a fundamentally dishonest thing to do.
@@AlexanderShamov I agree with you OP, however that doesn't mean that religious people can push on us any argument. For one thing, traditional religions have well stablished teachings about their gods, and it would be incoherent to change some core principle to save the argument. So this does put a limit on what people are willing to say.
Exactly!
@@AlexanderShamov I agree with you. FYI: This is how I define TRUTH...Truth is a belief that survives all challenges to it. Which makes the truth very subjective and malleable over time. How would you feel if you know the truth about something, then something or someone shows you hard evidence that proves your truth to be wrong? To me, it's a matter of the belief surviving the challenge. If it did not survive, then that thing is no longer true(the truth). If it did survive, it is still true(at least to you).
An all loving god does not discriminate. He also loves evil, or rather the perception of evil.
Nothing Real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists. Herein lies the peace of
God.
The answer is quantum field theory .... oh? wrong conversation.
I do have a comment. The fact you dislike reincarnation made me rethink that whole process. The ultimate theory should appeal more. I think that’s why we have the religions we do. Somehow, the most appealing elements, in general, already exists but it may be getting old, like you said the evil enormous. We abuse animal so much. None of us will go to heaven if he cares about those creatures as much as us... straw man omg
These types of discussions are a just an exercise of chasing your own tails.
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I've never found Zach Galifianakis funny and I'm even less interested in his opinion of a god.
Zach Galifinakis is hilarious, and this guy's staunch denial that god must have created evil is also hilarious. I'd say it's a very close match :D
Wait until he gets to Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny who lays chocolate eggs.
What’s your opinion of God?
If science and logic aren’t enough to abolish god, nothing will be.
At 5:12 minutes says it all, “Make Belief”.
Evil is the word live spelled backwards. So it means to live backwards. So does living backwards abolish God? No. It doesn’t abolish God, but I think that it misses the point of God.
*_Either God can do nothing to stop catastrophes or he doesn't care to or he doesn't exist._*
*_God is either: impotent, evil, or imaginary._*
*_Take your pick, and choose wisely._*
~ Sam Harris
*_Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction._*
~ Blaise Pascal
*_The only devils in this world are those running around in our own hearts, and that is where all our battles should be fought._*
~ Mahatma Gandhi
*_All that is good is not embodied in the law; and all that is evil is not proscribed by the law._*
~ William F. Buckley, Jr.
Let me ask this question; Is the natural phenomenon of predation in nature created and approved of by God? I believe most folks would say yes,.. predation exists with God's approval. Now spend a moment considering how utterly horrific it is for any animal to be eaten alive,.. how common this event is right now today, yesterday, and throughout the entire past history of earth. And now seriously consider the question; Could an evolutionary process have created our human mind, with all it's complexities, nuaces, and eccentricities, without the necessity of such horror? I truly think not. If *_Free WIll_* is to exist,.. there must, at least, be the possibility of evil (live backwards). How long would our species continue to exist without even the possibility of evil?
Who created evil in the first place? Because it was there before Adam and Eve.
There is no such evil....all just the opposite emptiness, void and Nihilism, which is beside that is "God", who always create something, to be necessary exist away from that opposition.
God is simple in this basic context.
_"I am a philosopher who believes that Western philosophy begins not with Plato, but elsewhere, and earlier,
with the Book of Job. That is because I believe that the problem of evil is the central point where philosophy begins, and threatens to stop. The experience of inexplicable suffering and basest injustice forces us to ask whether our lives have meaning, or whether human existence may be deeply incomprehensible. And if that is the case, then the urge to philosophy can seem to be a simple mistake."_ *Susan Neiman*
That's an easy one. No. Freewill gives all persons the option to choose.
Does a child have free will to have bone cancer?
@@Gustavo_Gindre All the consequences of a person's choices can't typically return in the same lifetime, so children mostly experience the consequences they created in previous lifetimes.
Imposing suffering without allowing us to remember the cause is a "divine" evil.
@@Gustavo_Gindre I think you would find having knowledge of all the evil you have done in countless lifetimes would be worse. Some might call it hell. Getting the context for the memories would be like reliving the evil activities again. It would be an obstacle to living in the present.
@@PaulHoward108 so you're suggesting that God replaces a terrible evil by a less worse one. And regarding you first comment, the Christian theology AFAIK doesn't have a reincarnation, instead it talks about an eternal life along with God.
In the Bible, there are at least two places, passages, where God himself is quoted as saying that he indeed, created evil.
God created evil in all its guises: God is ultimately responsible for EVERYTHING that exists; The good, the bad, the supremely sublime, and the most appalling blackness hell has to offer.
And there's nothing anyone can do to stop him.
Knowing this, it definitely behoves one to try to get on, and stay on, his best side.
Our CREATOR created the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil for this temporary generation. Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Deuteronomy 32
39: "`See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand.
@Stefano Portoghesi You are clueless to how you're created in ME. Once you get to know ME, you will know yourself.
Evil makes sense only on theism. There is no evil on atheism
There is no real atheism either. Only glorified agnosticism...
Does evil exist? Yes. Did God create it? Yes. How can a good, just, loving God create evil? { when you say this, you aren’t really talking about God, you’re talking about yourself}. If you were talking about God you would understand that there is something about God that is unintelligible, after all- He’s God.
Does evil abolish God, imagine all 8 billion people engage in this conversation.
You can have a 'good' God without evil...a universe where everyone's lives are just perfect....but you cannot have a 'loving' God without evil, because without evil there is really nothing that that love can be said to be protecting you from. Love in the absence of pain, suffering, danger, etc, is meaningless.
Al Garnier exactly!.We are meant to be spiritual not religious.
Hmm lol. Round em up
Can you take ALL of your accounts and troll elsewhere, please?
tom jackson I’m a simple kinda girl 👧 I don’t have ALL accounts, not even FB tommy. Didn’t mean to trigger you.
"It would not be accurate to say that there is a war between God and the forces against God. This is not the case at all. The physical universe is simply a place where God has been denied. The cumulative effect of this denial is what could be called evil. Evil is not born of one individual who generates all evil. Evil is born of the desire for separation and disassociation based upon fear, hostility and guilt."
A quote from The New Message from God. To read or listen to the whole Message free online, visit *NewMessage org*
Disgusting. Tell that to those who suffer pain and torture daily. Disgusting. That is what I find so sickening about religion, trying to explain why there is pain and torment instead of trying to reduce it. You people have no empathy.
Andre Brown how about tell what you just said to those who are suffering and still understand and choose God. It goes both ways.
In fact “tell it to the judgeee” ;D
Sorry had to have a good laugh it was irresistible. Lol
@@TheWorldTeacher Can you take ALL of your accounts and troll elsewhere, please?
@@TheWorldTeacher where does Ivan describe God as being a Godhead, Supreme Person or Deity? In fact, the New Message describes God as being a force as apposed to a personage.
If typhoons are a natural evil then so would be the winter, summer, even night time as you're limited visually so to fend off the beasts be more difficult.
Know what evil is, the absence or void of Light. God is light, light is knowledge. Knowledge is what we use not only to combat nature, to fend off the evil beasts at night etc. but also to understand Spirit so practicing Spiritiality/mysticism so experiencing joy, love, unity... commencing compassion thus bringing about commonalities in of communion so forming community. With Light(God) we have compassion for each other, nature, revering mother earth who sustains us, so honoring the Sun(Christ) who gives life and Light. This is Spirituality...
During today's time of the modern man -- Spiritual degeneration -- what's important.. everything that's of the physical realm, everything Spiritual is neglected, shoved aside. Perhaps the harshness and natural evils is what's to commence our Spirituality, but no, the modern man is such a degenerate they'll continue to wear their suits( representing conformity to material world) and finding ways to worship money and material rather than Spiritual.
The Spiritual battle is Light vs Dark however it's what causes motion and form that's neccessary for not only our Spiritual growth but so to God's.
Today's times are sad considering the potential and technological advances we have but the people choose not to be Spiritual so great cause and effect is commencing.
No such thing as evil. It's all relative Einstein.
"evil does give some degree of evidence against the existence of god " excellent observation.when one gets down to it though evil is still very difficult to explain away justify any belief system.
Because it would be evil not to?
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Evil is a word. From my perspective, evil is simply behavior that deviates from wisdom. Love is essentially behavior that is guided by wisdom. Wisdom is essentially the knowledge derived from personal experience that enables us to make sound choices. Evil is the result of ignorance.
Mr Kuhn has this inquiring sense that this guy is full of crap
Pain/suffering underlines/reaffirms the reality of reality.
If suffering was impossible, reality itself would perhaps be less dynamic, less powerfull, less real, and therefore perhaps less valueable. And our experience of human life and of the reality of physical creation around us perhaps somewhat cheap - almost like watching a movie whilst eating popcorn.
A movie can perhaps bring you a great therapeutic experience in the context of real life; but a movie can not bring you real happiness - that can come only from real life.
I hate pain and suffering - but pain tells me - thís experience is real, this which I perceive as reality, very real ! Powerfully, breathtakingly real!! And therefore also, immeasurably valueable!
If that is indeed so, a return from a Creation made up of mere theatrics and pleasant dreams back to it's Source, in other words, back to God, would then also be less happy, less meaningful, less worthwhile, less powerfull, less perfect!!
It is clear from the Sermon on the Mount that partaking in the Divine Dance (Richard Röhr), taking part in 'God's Love', calls for being brave on both the parts of God, and of His creatures in the face of the possibility of real darkness, in the face of the possibility of real fear.
The manner in which we can experience true beauty in sombre and 'dark' art that powerfully depicts something about the reality of suffering, to my mind, also informs much on the possibility of breathtaking ultimate meaning even in the most meaningless suffering. (I mean art like e.g. Rachmaninoff's Isle of the Dead and Schostakovich's Babi Yar.)
(Should add, eg Dostoyevsky's The Idiot.)
God isn't powerful enough to abolish evil with a snap of the hands.. that would degrade freewill.. it's better to live with evil and slowly evolve things towards good. Gods also kind of a narcissist.. not too bad.. but not overly concerned with the evil done by others. Its just the way things are. The afterlife is ensured. Dark matter is conserved
Evil exists purely to steer humans back to goodness. Duality must be experienced for the lessons, in this realm, to be learnt. Everyone will ascend, some may take alternate paths......but all paths lead to God/Source.🙏🏼❤️
Stefano Portoghesi - Sorry brother, I disagree. I do respect your opinion......and your path 🙏🏼❤️
Stefano Portoghesi - If you are an example of enlightened, I think I’ll pass. 😘
That's classic circular reasoning. If evil didn't exist, humans wouldn't have to be steered back to goodness in the first place. ;- )
Nobody is evil until proven not good. We must feel something was not right first, than ask who did it and why. Reason is simple, universe is unstable place by default, because physics. Therefore we must ask two question, how could unstable world eliminate potential for evil and could stable universe be constructed, so no divergence from perfect condition would be possible? In other words, God could also create a giant clock or just leave entire potential alone, devoid of shapes, shadows, meaning and life.
We got to start somewhere, universe is made from lumps of energy, as far as we can tell. It's to be expected, if universe was created, than it can't be a solid block of something. Imagine reality is made from small building blocks, they were always like that, nothing can brake or change them, only sense they can make is how they got stuck one top of another. Energy couldn't flow, where would it come from, how could it transform if blocks never change and can't be destroyed. Flow of energy makes sense once we realize world made from solid matter can't exist, or it could, but than nothing could ever change. But this would be ideal material for God, who want to build something nice and eternal from those building blocks, best way to do it is to stuck all in a giant cube and forget about it. If he want more from his creation and make blocks move on their own, then reality must be fluid like and convertible, therefore unstable.
How can good exist than, when reality is just a flow of charge between different potentials, it's like we must decide which magnetic pole is better. Maybe north pole is good, so energy travel towards from south to north. But when both potential are at equal amount of charge, energy stop flowing, there's no gradient present on a flat path. It's easy with magnets, other stuff is only potential, with no distinction in polarity. Positive can soak or loose to much charge, it became negative for surroundings and flow of energy reverse, can't tell which is which. That's why logos, over all balance is important. Thing is, a perfect balance is most unstable thing in existence, it can never be still, even if nothing can affect it's perfect state of rest, chaos will emerge from it's essence and tip it over to one side or another.
This is a classical Jen and Yang question, because they though of nature in a sense of potentials, they never had a need for monotheistic God, since those anomalies balance out by themselves just as well. This is kinda what brain does, constantly seeking equilibrium of the environment and in itself, it's a magic we can even imagine any good under such amounts of constant stress. To be alive and intelligent is to be aware of what you are and where you exist, specially if you became so smart your imagination can control natural functions of your own body, it's not clear what can drive us from that level on, when we became mentally detached from natural tendencies. Looks like we must carry our own good with us everywhere we go, because abominations.
I would like to start by thanking Robert for pushing him this hard to answer questions, 2nd i've never seen Robert this agitated even more than I was with the bad bellydancing this guy was doing! Seriously so god didnt create evil? what kind of nonsense is this? so there is another creator?
God crated evil. Isaiah 45:7.
you can imagine a god who is not good or evil, but is neutral, or just amoral, and the evidence for that god would be greater than an all-good god
I pray to saint George Carlin...
Creating a world were evil as possible is not the same as creating evil.
There’s nothing evil that isn’t an Emergent event from necessary systems.
We might think drowning is evil. But drowning is an emergent event caused by the improper use or exposure to water, a necessary element for life.
Therefore we can extrapolate from that that if we know the proper use of water there is no evil associated with it.
This implicates knowledge in the existence of evil, or more specifically the lack of knowledge a.k.a. ignorance.
This is why I always say that there are two major kinds of evil,. Evil by ignorance and willful evil. Willful evil occurs when you know the correct way to use her act in a necessary system and choose not to.
The guy has a Charlie brooker face for all uk viewers
The universe itself is an evil.
Evil and freewill are synonymous
Once we give up freewill to God's will, our suffering ends
God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and... a sadist.
@@TheWorldTeacher I'm not advocate for God's existence but your posts have nothing to do with what's being discussed. The OP is not claiming that God exists.
@@TheWorldTeacher your first comment is enough proof.
If God doesn't abolish Evil, then Evil will abolish God.
@@rubiks6 movies are not real...
Nah...evil is enriching
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@Stefano Portoghesi we all have gods to feed...they laugh...they need...they all bleed back into the tumultuous seed
Jesus and Satan are sitting in a bar.
Jesus : you be the bad cop and I'll be the good cop
Satan : Works for me. Bartender !! Another round of lost souls for us both.
How's mom by the way !
Jesus : I don't want to talk about it. It hasn't been the same since I found out my dad was a pagan deity.
Satan : ( chuckles )
Mr. Khun's repetitive fallacy (or a question that Dr. Khun repeats often?): God didn't create evil but evil exist, therefore God is not all powerful. Wrong! Just because God has unlimited power, it doesn't mean He uses it all, all the time...
Right, and he could also have unlimited power and for some obscure reason be unwilling to stop evil. Problem is that Christianity teaches that God is all loving. That is what seems a contradiction. The traditional explanation is then that God has the best for us, not necessarily in this life, but possibly in an after life. This is what is discussed in the video.
Even within our limited purview we can recall incidents that seemed disastrous at the time, but turned out to be blessings in disguise. On a cosmic scale it may be the case that the worst sufferings are a means of enlightenment. If that's not the case nihilism would be the logical position to hold - life is painful, brutish and short, then you die. Hard to find a meaningful middle ground that stares cold reality in the face.
@@User-jr7vf Unlimited power doesn't mean the abuse of power, especially against his own principles. I think I'm all loving, but I will not shield my kids from the consequences of their actions...especially if my intervention would prove me a liar... It's easier for God to allow evil to exist, for a time, to see without a doubt its sad results having unlimited power to be able to undo the damage it caused and still causes...
Monstrous evils is not a valid argument against the existence of God. Example: I bought an island and placed my whole family on it and told them to be good while I'm not there. Some of my family members took matters into their own hands and decided to disobey my command leading to monstrous evils. Does that mean that I don't exist?
The argument should be: Why would God allow the prevalence of evil while allowing people to exercise their free will?
This universe is fine tuned for evil deeds, almost anything could be hacked.
We can't LIVE WITHOUT EVIL.
With or without God, there can't be good without evil(and visa versa). I think some evil is necessary and that it can help everyone in the long run.
Evil created God to limit itself..
Does Evil Abolish God { We hope so ]
Mysterious evil, lol. It's only "mysterious" because your theology is wrong. Consider this: of all the evil acts that have ever occurred, god never stopped one of them. Fact. Even the completely insignificant ones that wouldn't have changed anything to have stopped or prevented. What does that tell you about the nature of "god?"