Why Seek an Alternative God? | Episode 1210 | Closer To Truth
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Is God, if there is a God, a personal, conscious, all-powerful Supreme Being? Some offer radically different concepts of 'God'. What are the alternatives to the Abrahamic God? Featuring interviews with Robin Le Poidevin, Andrei Buckareff, Peter Forrest, and Sarah Coakley.
Season 12, Episode 10 - #CloserToTruth
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#Religion #God
I may have personally given up the pursuit for a concrete answer regarding the existence of a "god" some time ago, resolving myself to the assumption that the most likely scenario is probably true, but i have to admit, I admire his commitment to turning over every possible rock, despite the fact the he also accepts that he is unlikely to ever find a definitive answer.
Thank you for sharing ❤️😊💗
It is interesting how we can indulge ourselves in windy arguments using language chock full of philosophical terms yet at the end of the day we are no closer to truth.
In all my years of exploration I've learned that we can never directly know the nature of God and we must learn to be okay with that.
how can u be certain, and how do u prove that u 'can never directly" know the nature of God?
seeking that which we will never know can make us better human beings with a richer experience of life. Wittgenstein who said that ontological mysteries that can never be answered have inspired some of the greatest most profound thinking in human history.
A significant heuristic I used to eliminate the nonsense religions from my consideration was that a benevolent God would not approve of religious people routinely eating meat after He gave animals an ability to enjoy and suffer similar to us. Focusing on the vegetarian religions makes the search much more manageable.
Yes, but plants have consciousness as well.
@@juliegill4679 Plants are conscious living beings, but they don't have the anatomy for experiencing physical pain. Also, each step up the food chain requires ten times more consumption of plant matter; so even if plants experience some discomfort when harvested, avoiding meat consumption would minimize the potential sin of eating.
Paul Howard true enough 👍🏻
@@juliegill4679 you are a khalistani so fuck off.
But who said feeling pain is the thing that matter and not the life of the being on the grand scheme of things?
It would seem from the discussions that we can choose the God we prefer, in much the same way as we choose an ice cream. Maybe like ice cream, all flavours exist! If humans created God, rather than visa versa, then this is surely so.
There was a news story of a young teen camping in Africa...and a pride of Lions at night got him and literally tore him apart limb from limb. Where was the God in that? In any of that?
Poor lions are hungry too.
@@jeffamos9854 You were supposed to be shocked by that story. Obviously not.😉
@Stan TheObserver : Don't you worry about it, because it was just part of the benevolent gods plan, or wasn' it? :-)
Why seek anything?
What is the perverse penchant for seeking any kind of god thing, to begin with??? Humankind's WORST invention by far.
People, ironically, create "God," and have no clue about what God is. The religious model predominates, outward prone and egocentric. We must transcend this model through introspection.
@Pisstake The more germane question is, do you?
You must know for yourself through the crucible and adventure of your life experiences.
@@mikeq5807 That is a non-answer and the same one theists give. God, the supernatural and "spirituality" are all cons. To say one must experience something to understand it is a cop out and a logic fallacy.
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Daniel Paulson yes.. it’s a crutch.
@@infinitemonkey917 One day, the inner light bulb will shine, and you will understand. For now, the words I offer are airy sounds devoid of meaning, and that's OK.
Another scenario: The God you see in visions or afterlife is really just a highly evolved being who lies to you he is God (turns out all of his kind make Universes for fun). How do you disprove that? Once you get that idea in your head,what could make you settle?
@SAMURAI 武士 Or Koi in a pond who's sure who feeds them and put them there is god. Only,we could actually speak "to god" say,and how do we know he's not lying?
It's all just a think topic. Billy Graham is NOT right now talking to Jesus. Billy is not in existence anywhere. He was,but no longer..entropy got him.
I know when you have to go God shopping? No more proof needed there is none. If there was,it would be obvious to everyone with no doubt and proveable. It's none of those things.
Why Seek an Alternative God? I would think that someone would seek an alternate God when they believe there is a God but they are unsatisfied with the view of God within their own religion(or faith).
As Robert Kuhn likes to say, one need not be a Christian or even a theist to explore these ideas of God or gods.
That said, such inquiries come from curious minds that like to venture into these territories.
It is a good idea to ask yourself if you are an atheist
Why Seek an Alternative God? I would think that someone would seek an alternate God when they believe there is a God but they are unsatisfied with the view of God within their own religion(or faith) by atheism.
Indeed.. religion is a trap.
Religion is big business, it uses the belief in god to justify their being, the Christian faith uses the belief that Jesus is God, but that’s just a front for tribalism, wealth and power and a way of life based capitalism that’s predominantly white....
Bro not all tribals on earth have big buisness with religion. Today more then ever ppl have their own decission in believing or not. Dont make it out to be more then it is.
Closets to truth ... instead
Permit me,..For I Am The Living Messiah.. DOG comes from 7+ODIN 3 tree persons druids Trinity as FATES,...Mars Eclipses...How the Bible is measured in time......I will soon introduce myself to the world..
Today, I'm truly happy realizing that everything I've done has helped me towards maximum happiness, despite not knowing it and fighting it part of the way. That is the way God works. He will help you but he has to do it on terms of His maximum understanding.
How is the question wrong from the beginning ?!
It is important,...Do NOT IGNORE its Pagan Origins even though it comes 'Before the Semites' which is what the term 'Ante-Semitic' means.
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
Steven Weinberg
After the dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan and killing many many thousands of innocent civilians and women and children ,Richard Feynman the famous physicist who was involved in its development said after the dropping of the bombs and its aftermath that he had two main regrets..." one that I was involved at all with the Manhattan project and the second was that I enjoyed it ...........!!!!"He claimed himself that he was an avowed atheist!
The lead scientist Oppenheimer who led the project and was called the "father of the atomic bomb " quoted from the Bhagavad -Gita .."Now i am become Death ,the destroyer of worlds ...."
So if I wanted to be flippant I could add to Weinbergs quote that to do even worse things it takes an atheist .....but I won`t !!
Point is Man is not good and what comes out of his heart is not good regardless of which side you take !
Peace!
@@petethepeg2 I still say, religion is BULLSHIT
There is only 1 God
Humans give different names
God is formless but, can take any form and manifest to guide devotees
I would say because the God of the old testament comes across as petty and vindictive. Not traits some people find attractive in their deity.
How about this for an alternative conception of God:
Imagine that you are a lucid dreamer in the midst of a vivid dream that you can control. I’m talking about a dream whose three-dimensional features seem to be almost as real as the reality you experience outward.
Next, imagine forming your dream substances into the shape of a large mirror - a mirror with perhaps a beautiful frame around it.
Now, assuming that that mentally constructed mirror could actually reflect an image back at you, looking into it, what do you think you would see?
Well, I suggest that if you could actually see the true image of your inner-being (i.e., the creator of the mirror/your subjective “I Am-ness”) reflecting back at you, then you would be approaching a glimpse of what God must surely look like.
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@TheUltimateSeeds
Why on earth would you ever believe that.
@Zameen Z Wow, Zakir Naik Terengganu is not a very smart guy, is he? He has no idea what atheism entails, and he certainly doesn't know how to convince an atheists. You guys will never learn.
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I believe it for reasons far too numerous to list in a RUclips comment section. If you are even remotely interested, then have a look at the more than one hundred drawings and illustrations I created to support the theory. Here's the link: www.theultimateseeds.com
@Zameen Z
Zameen Z, of course God exists.
However, Islam (just like the rest of the world's religions) is just an impossible attempt by humans to visualize the modus operandi of a Being who is as far above humans in scope and consciousness as humans are above amoebas in scope and consciousness.
In borrowing from Buddhist mythology, Islam (like Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.) is just a temporary *“raft”* that carries humans across the river of earthly life, only to be abandoned upon the shore of death when the ultimate truth of God and reality will finally be revealed to us.
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Without the human mind there will be no god.
Never considered that I was seeking an "alternate God," so much as ever seeking a deeper understanding and connection with the True God... Exploring different teachings and paths, different names, as if trying different keys to try and unlock the doorway to the real God. My "experience" tells me that God is personal - often quite a micro-manager even... But works in my life through synchronicity and natural events. Must say, that I like the Abraxas notion of God, in the Gnostic and Judeo-Christian/Panentheistic sense.
Nice intro lol 👍
Has anyone found ANY god? Of course, the answer's 'no', unsurprisingly.
god is a figment of human imagination
It seems like Robert L Kuhn is not interested in an alternative God.
Stefano Portoghesi yes, but I have watched a lot of his videos and it is obvious he doesn’t like alternative Gods metaphysics because they challenge his binary assumptions of reality. It’s either there is no God or there is a personal God of the Bible. There can be no alternative. Many philosophers like Spinoza, Schopenhauer, and Whitehead were influenced by eastern philosophy and their alternative views of God. I respect the atheistic materialist viewpoint. There is enough provided by the universe to live a full and rich life with out a personal God but as an amateur philosopher I prefer Spinoza’s and Whitehead’s alternative views of God.
Stefano Portoghesi I consciously chose these alternative views over atheist and theist views. I really don’t fit in either camp. I like the Chinese philosophy of Laotze and Zhaungzi. There is no direct proof of God so I don’t have any tangible evidence except possibly ones subjective experience. I can live and get along with any human being as we are all connected. If there is a God you will find him within. Einstein believed in Spinoza’s God.
Stefano Portoghesi being religious or spiritually oriented is not always a fatal mistake. That is your opinion. Psychological research has demonstrated that religious or spiritual people are happier - see time.com/collection/guide-to-happiness/4856978/spirituality-religion-happiness/
Happiness does have health benefits that could extend your life - see
positivepsychology.com/benefits-of-happiness/
Myself, I’m not interested in any gods since it’s all bullshit
I have a better question. Why seek any god? Religion and gods are unnecessary.
@@mager888 What a ridiculous comment. Atheists are too busy having an honest, genuine life to spend much time talking about any god. Only believers keep babbling on about their imaginary, invisible and pointless gods.
@@mager888 Because we are nice enough to try and show believers that there is another way to live. Why are believers so threatened by atheists, including killing them over the centuries?
Dear Sir , I believe you were offered a tremendous bit of knowledge here . . . Perhaps by too ridgedly adhering to a logical , fact based quest you are closing an important door to the truth you seek . As well as sacrificing the opportunity in this life to life gods truth . To find your own by trusting (to some degree) in a greater truth than your own . God bless you and your quest
God is a construct dependent on one's culture. God represents something beyond human comprehension. The most popular forms of God come from different cultures thousands of years ago. Therefore it makes entire sense to try to connect with the infinite reality of being using the language of one's own time, place, experience, and culture. It seems to me that a great many people from history and prehistory have thought and experienced a great deal. Therefore reading and understanding their view as well as our own time is helpful on this journey.
Soooo, what if God is created (creates itself) with all the perfect answers. God now needs to explore all the questions. We are a small but essential part of God BECAUSE we are created with all the questions and need to find the answers... Maybe?
I suffer from extreme anxiety. I see how people need something to calm their anxiety ! We want God to be this and that to feel that « someone » is in control of things, now and after our death. To me it is as simple as that and nothing is to be learned other than people s deep needs or how to manage the business and its franchises all over the world.
Cam the created question the Creator? What arrogance to even provoke a Creator ,
@@mager888 you do realize the Closer To Truth series centers around “something from nothing” question. I’m not stuck on a God. We are all stuck with the inability to support or refute same. What basis do you have to negate “Creation” (what was the Big Bang about then?” Do you have data that supports your position of a steady state scenario (in my impression)
@@mager888JAINISM appears to be another Homo sapien explanation for Homo sapien existence. Again where is the proof that this philosophy, religion provides the truth?
Creating a Creator without supporting a Creator leads to self deception. I have, nor does anyone’s, have proof of a Creator,
11:14 It says "Panentheistic" in the subtitle, while you are talking about Pantheistic
WHY because most people need a crutch and a farther figure Be happy you are here, if you can . GOD is a human illusion THANK GOD?????
Is there a hospice for RUclips channels?
What happens with a person who want to understand all religions, does he end up in one of them, keep on searching until the end or even became an atheist, just because enough is enough. Maybe most important question, does searching for divine makes a person spiritual and if so, who cares, does it really matter? First we should understand why would anybody be interested in spiritual tripping, perhaps because God is such a good idea everybody is talking about it.
Developmental theism sounds most reasonable, if you are an emperor of the world perhaps, since unified and scientifically constructed faith would be a totalitarian dream. Only question left would became, what if all they say is a absolute lie, to keep us materially and spiritually subordinated? Scientific religion is an ultimate ideological construct, whatever is integrated in scientific hierarchy of knowledge, will last forever and apply the same everywhere in known universe. Doesn't need to be spiritual, can only induce mental hallucinations and psychological instructions, using scientific institutions and social structure to take care for material needs of an individual. But it's not breeding human beings as cattle, it's not that kind of food chain or slavery, but optimization of physical and mental efficiency, therefore best and most stable way things can be considering reality as is. This is exactly how animals think, or better say plants, since their scientific range of possibilities is even more limited and everything reduce to efficiency in thriving along as perfect state of being only a plant can enjoy. If we talk about industrial plants, at least gardener can be proud on his botanic manifestations, it's all about beautiful garden where everybody are happy after all. Maybe we could plant humans instead of breeding, i can't see any significant difference, but if i can make suggestion, make all woman young, healthy and beautiful, and no need to bother with good eye sight. Nobody is perfect.
Most important object of power is the church. In old times, people were few and living in isolated tribes, where one guy was a chieftain and other weirdo was a shaman. Rest of the tribe were all idiots. Math was invented, everything can be calculated using only 1, 2 and many.
Does Relativity disprove causation, and consequently evolution, if spacetime (past-present-future) exists simultaneously?
Time has the same meaning in relativity as it has in everyday light. To paraphrase Einstein, time is what your wristwatch measures. It's only when you start comparing the times different observers measure, that relativity predicts discrepancies between your findings and what you would otherwise expect here on earth and at low speeds.
More to the point, causality is never violated, rather the whole theory is built on this concept. It's actually a logical rather than a physical imposition.
@@User-jr7vf bigthink.com/surprising-science/a-controversial-theory-claims-present-past-and-future-exist-at-the-same-time Relativity implies a block universe and no free will. And the co-existence of all time suggests that spacetime's true nature is infinite and that causality is illusory...does it not?
@Stefano Portoghesi If spacetime is an illusion of the human mind, as particles are illusory to the human mind, in the sense that they only appear when observed (double-slit experiment), then EVERYTHING IS ILLUSORY, CAUSATION, EVOLUTION, IDEAS OF GOD, LOGIC, EVERYTHING BREAKS DOWN....INCLUDING WHAT I'M SAYING RIGHT NOW!!!!!
HUMAN THOUGHT IS MASTURBATORY NONSENSE!!!!!!!
THIS UNIVERSE IS A GODDAMN FRAUD!!!! IT'S GOTTA BE A SIMULATION!!!!!!!
The question is not "Why seek an alternative god", but rather "Why seek ANY god"?
@@mager888 Not even god!
This was super interesting ,would like this to go further even
I always want his episodes to go further..and to never end lol
SAMO AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO GOD
#Basquiat
To me G.d is the conscienceness that flows through every thing. That means every thing. It means every thing is sound/frequeny/vibration. How fast the vibration/frequency is determines if it is a mineral or stone, plant seacreature or human! Because when your heart stops beating you will see a straight line on your EKG! NO VIBRATION! Even light is vibration/frequency!
To get your radio or TV turned in to the right frequency you have tune it in. Just think logically about all this. Every thing can be broken down to the smallest component. Molecules, quarks, etc. etc. We were created in G.ds image, not his physical image, but his spiritual image, since he is not physical! You could picture your physical body as a suit of clothing we put on or take of. We are really like a projection and every thing around us, us we have projected at first. Like a hologram which has solidified through time!
If you want to stay healthy vibrate at a higher level by projecting higher thoughts. Bacteria and viruses/illness vibrates at lower levels. I am going to be 89 and never been in a hospital except for child birth and have been a prisoner of war during WWII. Remember every thing is a frequency even G.d. Your thoughts are faster than light!!! Also remember what you associate with you become. On a lower level you could say, "When you l lie down with dogs you get up with fleas." When you associate with Angels, you will become like an angel. It does not matter what religion or church you belong to, it is all men created! The old Egyptians had 24 commandments, Christians only 10. They would say I have not killed or stolen, Christians say "Thou shall not..." Just remember what we believe in our heart, we create, good or bad...heaven or hell!🤔💖🙏
There's no justification at all for any "god", and I'm perfectly comfortable with that.
@@rubiks6 If that's your idea of honesty, then I can see why you might have religious leanings. Believe what you want - I'm interested in facts, not fantasies.
@@rubiks6 Choosing a random definition of "god" (which will be as good as yours, I'm sure) : "a spirit or being believed to control some part of the universe or life and often worshiped for doing so, or a representation of this being".
Why would any rational person accept any part of that description as having any value?!
Where's your evidence for its existence - has it spoken to you, or have you had "visions" , or does the thought of god just leave you feeling all cosy?
I don't have to prove anything.
@@rubiks6 That was the cambridge dictionary definition. What's your defn then?
@@rubiks6 What's YOUR defn? I chose a typical , formal one. If you can't even define something, then you can't prove, or even loosely demonstrate, its possible existence.
@@rubiks6 In conclusion: you believe in something called god, wildly speculate on its form or function but can't actually define it, and the notion of its existence warms your cockles. And you questioned my intellectual honesty because I haven't succumbed to such baseless nonsense.
@Closer To Truth : It's because Gandalf and Obi-Wan Kenobi is being the real deal, all hail the mighty Winnie the Pooh, because of reasons. :-)
Anyone knows why many videos are excactly 26 min 46 sec long?🤔
Must be a message :0 lol
The camera can record for only that long
"Split wood, I am there. Lift up a rock, you will find me there." Gospel of Thomas
Trying to make the Infinite into a finite being is exhausting. The mind will keep on looking and looking....
If they dont believe in God, Why Seek an Alternative God?. Mr Robert Lawrence Kuhn, please stay away from those people. Thank you.
Isn't it cool that you can just create your own god, just the way you like it? And its free too.
The best thing is that your fantasy god always agrees with your opinions. Brilliant.
And the fantasies of these theologians are of no greater importance than your own fantasies.
Just listen to them babbling about their favorite fantasy thing. It is totally meaningless.
U miss the point. Just because most (if not all) of these concepts of God/metaphisics turn out to be false, it does not discredit their importance in their present. Think about them like assumptions in science and as ideas which develop over human history.
Well, according to the lady in the video, Her God is not a God that doesn't have to agree with his believers/creators ... Her God is a God that demands in herself to become a Saint ... Then, She - intellectually - can like her god's demand but she - existentially - tends to fear the consequences of becoming a Saint in a world inhabited & plagued by Predators of Saints ... Then, Her God is a challenging God inviting Her to test a risky way of being for Apes ... but on the other side, she has that tradition that uses Her God Sainty Suicidal Tendencies as a Totem that can provide Social Prestige and a Comfortable life inside the associated social-cultural institution ... Houses around the world, good food, people willing to listen to her, believers providing funds to the church, managing those funds in preserving the church by doing some charity and spreading 'the word' ...
She doesn't follow her God's demands but She lives Good thanks to the consequences of humans believing in her god ...
How do you expect that she would believe that her god is just a meaningless and useless imagination when that imagination is providing to her a lifestyle that she is already enjoying ...
Had You interest in becoming a Saint?
Very likely, not at All.
It seems normal that someone who has aversion to becoming a saint shows the tendency to ridicule as meaningless a way of being that they fear from inside-out ...
It’s not about religion
Stefano Portoghesi so right brother ❤️🙏🏻
@Stefano Portoghesi To be a saint is nothing supernatural, just be unselfish and serve everybody as if everybody is more valuable than the saint self ... It can be a human invention but a human invention that defies nature and the instincts for self-preservation ( fear to die or become a meal of others ) and the instincts for reproduction ...
It doesn't matter what others belief, if there is a saint, that implies a human will power that defies nature ...
Truly, between knowing a dude like Albert Einstein or Steve Jobs or whatever Famous historical human ... I prefer to know an unknown saint just to see what is to overcome human nature ...
I don't see nothing supernatural or magical in the possibility of a human willing to become a saint by wrestling with his/her animal instincts and selfish nature ... as all behavorial patterns once the threshold of inner resolutions and learning are dissipated by the practice and the behavior becomes spontaneous ... the specimen would be one between trillions ...
But Yep, I know, to expect Saintity for apes is like expect Diamonds from burned wood ... but at least, the burned wood contains carbon, so, for getting diamonds is needed to deploy enormous pressure on the material ...
... and that is nothing magical or that require to nurture irrational beliefs just try and test what happens ...
... and i don't want to speculate in what would be a saints community ...
In fact, as a thought experiment ... If a magic genius comes to me and he offers to me 1) A SuperIntelligent network of quantum computers connected to all the electronic devices of the planet and that will follow my desires as ineffable orders 2) to share a week in a community of 12 unknown Saints but after that, I will not remember the experience as a fact but as a dream and I will return to my life as it is before the genius comes to me with his offer ...
Believed or not, I will choose option 2 without hesitation ... and worst, I suspect that I would not deploy the passion to sell/communicate 'My dream' to the other apes ...
Because to believe in dreams is Absolutely not required for my existence ...
But that is a personal choice, a whim ... nothing transcendental or grandiose or truthfully ... just pure imaginative curiosity of knowing something improbable ...
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For me is funny when contemporary humans elucubrate contemporary narratives about how primitive humans confronted their existence ... It is funny because they tend to project their beliefs as if the primitives were experiencing what a XXI century human believes that they were believing in ...
For some reason, Hardcore Objectivists call History or Anthropology ... proto-science, soft science up to just creative literature ...
Or contemporary Sociologists got methodological conflicts about defining their object of study and its methodology ...
Or psychologists with their reproducibility issues and spurious correlations of weak constructs ...
There is an existential abysm between the live real-time experience and the narratives made about the remembered experiences what bigger is that abysm when/where the narrative is constructed about experiences that do not belong to the experiencers ...
There is something childish in perform over-rationalizations about the past lived by others ...
My mature self doesn't tend to nurture those behavioral thinking patterns but the child in me continues to enjoy to deploy narratives for explaining what doesn't require more narratives as explanations of something intrinsically unexplainable ...
Living Existence as it is happening, right here and right now ...
The map is not the territory ...
Your 'rationality' astonishes 'me' in a similar way, as primitives dancing around their sacred tree would astonishing 'me' ...
How much of our current notion of 'God' is a personification of the collective wisdom of our ancestors?
Wisdom of our ancestors ?
Now that's so funny . And in so many ways too.
If there is a God, he can be contacted. Make your request and wait for a response. If you're sincere, God will contact you in an unique way that will satisfy your expectations. Try it, you got nothing to lose.
god=bullshit
It's all makes sense if God is positive, negative,and neutral. Just like the entire universe down too the smallest particles God created good, bad and mediocre. 12:00 this guy is on too something especially if we are created in God's image and likeness. God can flip flop and change at the drop of a dime. God does have favorite's. God can be evil just as god can be good or god can just stay in the fair average zone if that dirty wants too.
I used to like these videos until he completely abandoned any & all objectivity of presenting both sides. He's obviously made his decision to turn this into a total atheist propaganda program, now he's lost a segment of some undecided people who still want equal time for both sides, too bad.
God yes- religion no....
god no, religion no
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There's no need for an alternative version of an omnipotent being -- unless it's evil of course.
Why does God have to be good?
@@StanTheObserver-lo8rx I didn't say God has to be good. I said that if an omnipotent being was evil (and you can call it God if you want to) there would be the need for an alternative version of that omnipotent being.
There’s no reason for any god
I didn't say that there was. I said that there necessarily would be a need for an alternative to an evil omnipotent being in which that alternative would be a _good_ omnipotent being. Why do I feel like everybody's being deliberately obtuse.
We are all tiny fish living in one tiny aquarium, trying to probe with our tiny fish brains what may be beyond the glass...
I think that most of these discussions suffer from the 'either/or" fallacy. Why can God not be both unchanging AND changing? We assign hard and firm distinctions because we think from a spatio-temporal perspective. A Being who transcends time and space would have no such limits. He/She/It would incorporate all possible states.
"God is dog", it is friendly at the same time it will bite you when there's no food to eat.
Why seek an alternative god ? Nah ! Two cats in my house is one too many
@Zameen Z We have another spammer. Time to invoke my blocker.
God can not and will not be described by material bound man.No matter how much we try we shall fail.
Cash. In God we trust .Everybody else pays cash.
The answer can never be arrived at by intellectual pursuit or questioning. Because every effort to find “what came first” is followed by “who/what created that” The only way to “know” is by the absence of any intellectual investigation and move toward profound meditation/ contemplation. This way the “truth” will reveal itself in the form of enlightenment.
Yeah,really, why. I quit believing in this God but this other God really gets me. Love,love,love,but who's the new antagonist. There's always an antagonist in the text or in the world. Someone synonymous with evil. The devil incarnate.
Music too loud
Narrative too loud-it’s bullshit
THE TRUTH:::
The Truth is that there is no religion.There is faith.Either you believe,or not. Truth by definition,can only be one. Its supreme to everything else.
You chose what you believe in,but if your choice is to not to believe in anything,so le it be.
That is why I am a believer, because I have a choice. I choose to believe,I chose to accept, I decided that I understand that free choice and power of free will, are ground stones of every civilization,culture,sophistication,understanding and knowledge.
Corner stone of all,everything we are ...It is the law that we all respect,understand and follow...
As the Lord said:"I will write my Law/Torah over their hearts,and they will know me"
I believe in free will, in the sense we choose our actions. I'm not fully convinced that we choose our beliefs however. I think we are convinced by something or not. I can't choose to believe in fundamentalism or Islam or doctrinaire Catholicism because I find them unconvincing. However, if I did find them convincing, I could choose to follow their teachings. But I can't convince myself they are true, even if I wanted to.
@@watcherwlc53 Why so doubtful? Step up and represent. Or in faith its called;"Ask and you shall receive", Truth by definition is only one,so there is no islam...Jesus have sent about 120 barefooted disciples to preach around the world ,Islam/Mohamed have sent the army... Truth does not need an army, lies do...
And why-are you talking about Catholics and doctrine? . You are not believing in a church,faith is spiritual,church is an man made object,There is no doctrine,no Catholics, Orthodox,Protestants,they all are man made. You are not seeking anything there,except excuses.And you found them in islam,catholic doctrine and etc.etc,,,
You never even tried, you lied to yourself,you used lies to convince yourself, and you know you did that. Of course you did,otherwise you wouldn't write to me.You will like me,to give you one of those :"Jesus is the savior" speeches,but I will not do that.You sound just like me,before I asked... You use same excuses,and plea ignorance,,,
Stop pretending because all you need to do is ask...Thats all it takes...One question can solve it all...But yet,you are afraid to ask...Of course its fear,what else can it be?
Will the devil assign a legion of demons if you dare try?Will the bank cancel your credit card?Police knock upon your door? Will there even be anyone that knows that once in your life you dared to ask? Which one of these sounds possible?
Wow, alternatives to the “traditional” Gods. Why? There is NO evidence for ANY God!! Philosophers “navel-gazing”, how novel. SMH
@SAMURAI 武士 , think more about what you just said, "there is something bigger and something exists beyond what we know." OF COURSE!!! We know a lot less than what we don't know. However, a science-based thinker justifiably says about the unknown, "We don't know." The religious make poop up and say "Goddidit."
Why seek an alternative God? Bad question. Assuming you seek God at all, then it follows that you seek whatever actually is how it is.
Unequivocally, I would rather have the perfect father figure traditional all-in-one God. But if I only consider that possibility and in reality that God doesn't exist then I'll never be able to make any progress. But if there IS a real God that has some of those properties but not all, then again, if I don't consider the possibility then I can't get anywhere
So you have to start with whatever attributes you personally consider the bare minimum. Then add on from there only what you can reason out must be necessary
G-d is all the existing, including this that we aren't aware of.
@ReligionlessFAITH “Undefinable G-d” does not allow human service, because we, by the definition of His “irrationality” cannot know “what does He want of us”. Thus we can do whatever we like, while ignoring our acceptance of His existence. I agree that we cannot adequately describe Him or one hundred percent know His Will in respect to us, but I strongly disagree that we shouldn’t even try.
@ReligionlessFAITH I cannot accept us being judgmental of Him. Say a question: “How Almighty G-d can allow evil to be?” I would meet with the question “How do you know, what is evil for Him?”. What we consider to be “cruel” or even “sadistic”, for Him might be absolutely necessary. One thing that I’m sure about is that everything, “good” and “evil”, comes from Him. The purpose of us being created is to serve Him. Why? Because nothing else truly matters or even exists, but Him. You might object that whatever we do is meant to serve Him in the best possible way. Agree, but our desire to serve that does present in some of us is also from Him and is meant to further better the things. That’s what I believe in and I see the usefulness of any philosophy only in the context of our service to Him. How specifically we need to serve, without any references to “goods” and “evils”.
@ReligionlessFAITH We cannot create or fully understand anything “absolute”. Do I think that I can create anything on my own? No, I do not think this way. I think that I’m part of Him, however insignificant, and I should synchronize myself with the WHOLE in the best possible way. For the latter I should be able to do without understanding the absolute truth, whatever it is.