Is God Totally Free? | Episode 1313 | Closer To Truth
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Is God free? If God is God, it seems impossible to limit God's freedom. But can God create a round square? Make 1+1=3? Do evil? Sin? Be brave. There seem to be many things that God cannot do. Featuring interviews with Brian Leftow, Peter van Inwagen, and Dean W. Zimmerman.
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Perfection is the ultimate constraint.
Gods mind is free. Infinite thought.. but physically limited.
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You are as free as your level of consciousness... your level of consciousness is defined by how many options you see.. the future may fated already and no one is free. What changes is how you will feel in the process.. and how much free will you will experience.. if your level of consciousness can make a plan for the next 10 years now.. then you 10 years of free will.. but you created a system to get to your final objective.. you had to take actions.. then you are not free anymore just because you made a plan it requires obligatory actions for its final purpose.. so you can see it both ways.. you can plan for the future.. free will. Made a choice ? Not free anymore.. you can quit.. now you have 3 options now for 4 which could be making no plans.. think of anything.. test your freedom! God will be doing the same!!
If we wants to change the world we should change our old knowledge about god’s !
Change the world? What for?
I love science, it is fascinating. I do not like the false priest of science, preaching to me about religion.
I take it none of these people have read the OT lol
No. Only what's logically possible. Anything done in opposition to logic would self-destruct. Even God.
Examples. God can't:
🔹Exist and not exist simultaneously
🔹Know everything and nothing
🔹Destroy and then create Itself
More limits might exist, but for now these will suffice to prove the point.
To be free implies there is something superior to control. But, by definition there is nothing superior to God.
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Within legal values.. as an advice morally relevant.. it has more impact on people I noticed.
Man, a finite mind trying to comprehend the infinite. Accept the concept (God) or come up with a meaningless theory.
Free will... the ability to do other than that which you will do.
**There is enough NOT there in Science to keep you busy for many lifetimes.
Why does GOD has to revolve round humans? Why not the other species? What if we became instinct by some natural disaster? Who would God govern? I think God is well beyond our understanding. Religion is a way people say, I know it all, i know who God is. They are only having a guess.
Mr. Kuhn
Asking questions to the wrong experts
Ask any Hindu teacher
What will they teach? That you can get closer to truth by bathing and defecating in the same river?
We can all make true statements using sources available to anybody. Examples....
God is right-handed (Exodus 15:6, Deuteronomy 33:2, Palms 20:6, Mark 16:19, Revelation 5:1).
Olive Oyl is the girlfriend of Popeye (cartoon). Batman wears his underpants on the outside (film).
DEMONSTRATION OF THE EXISTENCE AND ONENESS OF GOD
1- introduction and divine uniqueness
2-existence of God
3-rules of application.
1- First of all, let us define reason and see its reliability: reason consists in understanding, ordering, prohibiting or administering through its distinction between good and evil to reach the reasonable one who serves and does not serve.
Let's see if reason is reliable:everyone of good reason confirms that reason is educated by its environment from a young age in order to distinguish good from evil,true from false,it starts with: fire or needle hurts, milk makes good, then truth and lie, with internal and external verification by experience, then we generalize to the extension of reason (like happiness and unhappiness) and to the abstract by returning from time to time to the experience of reason by recognized examples, so we can say that reason is reliable.
As for the ego, the self, it has its importance in my subject, because it compares and seeks (in cooperation with the reason) the ideal, the most powerful because the top is the most reasonable for him otherwise if a strong thing is not enough for him,he will get tired of it and look for something stronger than it, he'll be unhappy, in relative insecurity, because he's looking for the solid pillar, hence the expression "in myself something" to say that it's not satisfactory.
Definition of worship in religion: to submit oneself to a being or a thing by love and veneration, to believe that it is useful and harmful (we see the link with the definition of reason and its combination with the ego and that then we live to worship anything and in a correct and reasonable way we seek "summit" happiness (for the ego, the summit is the most satisfying for the heart-ego) through that being or that thing since we take the reasonable).
Definition of a god:a god is a being or a thing that we worship or is worshipful (worshipful=which deserves to be worshipped),we will be satisfied (this is the goal) to take the definition of a god as a being or a thing that is worshipful
Equivalence "a god" and "he is a creator (from nothing)":
A creator (from nothing) is a god: everything around us is made up of already existing elements, so creation from nothing is superior and it is the most impressive form of creation so it is summit (the heart and the ego confirm), so any creator from nothing is a god.
Every god is a creator: if a god was not a creator then he would not deserve to be a god because God the Necessary Being (see part 2) is a creator (the creator see 2), therefore superior to that god, therefore that god does not deserve (for reason and ego) to be a god, he does not bring anything more, hence every god is a creator.Hence the equivalence.
God the creator, the necessary being is the summit for the heart-ego: if he had a superior then that superior would be unknown, erased, moreover for the heart-ego it would imply that the necessary being is no longer a god (the heart-ego sees higher) therefore no longer a creator whereas it is the necessary being (contradiction) therefore that superior is not a god therefore is not a creator therefore God is uncreated and is at the summit.
God is unique: if there were two different gods (at the summit), then either their will is different, then either each god applies his will (as they are gods it applies to the whole universe (not erased god)) then it is impossible (if their will is different at the same point),seeing the universe as it is without defect, and it is harmonious, and If one of the two gods imposes his will on the other, then the other is weak and therefore is no longer a god (contradiction), so their will coincides on everything, so it means that one flatters (strokes) the other, so it makes the ego-heart feel a weakness of this god in its power, so is no longer a god, so there is only one god, or again: if the two gods have their will which coincides in every point ,then they constitute a god of their union but God being at the top (the ideal), an indivisible god who creates, possesses and administers everything by himself is more impressive than several gods together, hence God is unique in every case. This reasoning applies even if there is a universe we do not know, because God (worshipful) must act everywhere otherwise he is no longer a god.
2-existence of God:
There is an administrator for the universe:any example:a palace hyper organized in decorations,arrangements,household,if you are told:this palace does not have a butler(administrator),you will answer:it is not possible that it happens by itself without anybody,your distinctive healthy reason rejects it (you are not crazy),therefore all the more so (a fortiori): (organization much, much better than the palace) all the organization and harmony of nature and the universe make you reject that there is no administrator for the whole universe (we can already say that it is unique, the cycles and others are the mark of the same author, for example nike is the mark of a single manufacturer, example of all the atoms of the universe same process therefore same mark therefore same author), so there is an administrator for the whole universe, and even it is obliged to think that otherwise it is chaos,. ..and many many other examples like the ship without a captain,... there is a creator of the universe: You see a humanoid walking around and you're told no one created him. You're not crazy. Your reason will reject that.So a fortiori,all the more so Your good reason will reject that man has no creator.So There is a creator of the universe, and so on throughout creation, but again the whole universe has the same mark (like nike), so the same author, so the creator is unique and the administration of his creation is the same (layout, arrangement of the way of creating) so the creator is the administrator. As He is unique, He is the great owner of the universe, and He is the one who makes the rules of the universe (such as the instructions of the electrical appliances (operation, maintenance), so it has been proved that the universe has one Lord (the Creator, the owner and the administrator) and He is the only one who deserves to be worshipped (the instructions of the appliances), so He is the only God. Otherwise, as God the Creator is at the top, He is also the owner and the administrator. All this is the domain of the reasonable and if you come out of it you are no longer in the reasonable (chaos).
Conclusion: Divine existence and oneness are then demonstrated by reason, but reason does not say everything that God wants from us, hence the prophets and messengers.
3- Application: The verse of the Qur'an that says that there is no god except Allah means that there is no one worthy of worship except Allah, so it means that there is no imperfection on any face, so the Qur'an, its word, has no imperfection since it is one of its characteristics and therefore one face of its perfection, Therefore, by the perfection of the Qur'an (read it in Arabic to see this reality and its explanation) and the uniqueness of the true (you must respect the rules of this book if you are honest) you must take the best interpretation of the verses and the Sunnah (path) of the Prophet (the Qur'an calls to follow the Prophet therefore apply his hadiths (hadiths=words in Arabic) and you must reconcile between the verses (of the Qur'an) and the verses, and verses/hadiths hadiths/hadiths (authentic) because the truth is quite unique and the best sought after is perfection (so correct yours intentions), for example the thief the penalty starts at 1/4 gold dinar, it costs (recently) 39€ for its weight in gold whereas a meal costs 5€, source: the pious predecessors (rule: the Koran says to follow the prophet and the prophet spoke of the first three generations which are the best and he said (ask your heart for clarification), and Allah calls in the Koran to the good and known between the good people (conciliation), etc,. .go on with the rest of the rules of Islam if you are honest (seek the best, perfection, truth, conciliation).
There are rules in Islam and if you don't follow them you find imperfections (which reflect your bad intention), while when you correct your intention you find perfection (it exists, scholars communicate it to each other, I have been reading books about Islam in Arabic for a long time, I testify and I testify that this perfection exists. Why don't you take it if it is possible and the rules of Islam are to take it, hence your attacks are unfounded since this is not what God and his prophet mean (i.e : your words that it is imperfection). ..
Bullshit.
Hello Fourqane,
The Bible warns of angel's delivering false beliefs such as Mohammeds first vision.
Muhammad, while on retreat in a mountain cave near Mecca (the cave of Hira), *Gabriel [angel] appears before him* and commands him to recite the first lines of chapter 96 of the Quran. Muhammad's experience is mentioned in Surah 53:4-9:
"It is no less than inspiration sent down to him He was taught by one Mighty in Power, Endued with Wisdom: for he appeared (in stately form); While he was in the highest part of the horizon: Then he approached and came closer,
And was at a distance of but two bow-lengths or (even) nearer;" [Quran 53:4-9]
Which contradicts what God's Word the Holy Bible teaches.
Galatians 1:8-9
8 But though we, *OR AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN* preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, *IF ANY MAN PREACH ANY OTHER GOSPEL UNTO YOU THAN THAT YE HAVE RECEIVED , LET HIM BE ACCURSED*
And
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for *SATAN HIMSELF IS TRANSFORMED INTO AN ANGEL OF LIGHT*
Clearly Satan tries to Counterfeit God. This is confirmed by Scripture and this is unambiguous and unequivocally what transpired with Mohammed.
*Muhammad believes that he gets a revelation from the angel Gabriel* when he visited a cave in Hira.
Qur’an:
Sira No. 152…..
“…in the month of Ramadan in which God willed concerning him that He willed of His grace, the apostle set forth to Hira as was his wont. And his family with him. When it was the night on which God honoured him with this mission and showed mercy on His servants thereby, *👉GABRIEL BROUGHT HIM THE COMMAND OF GOD👈*
‘He came to me,’ said the apostle of God, ‘while I was asleep, with a coverlet of brocade whereon was some writing, and said, “Read!”
I said, “What shall I read?” he pressed me with it so tightly that *I THOUGHT IT WAS DEATH* then he let me go and said, “Read!”
I said, “What shall I read?”
He pressed me with it again so that *I THOUGHT IT WAS DEATH* then he let me go and said “Read!”
I said, :What shall I read?”
He pressed me with it the third time so that *I THOUGHT I WAS DEATH* and said “Read!”
I said, “What then shall I read?”
And this I said only to deliver myself from him, lest he should do the same to me again.
He said: “Read in the name of thy Lord who created, Who created man of the blood coagulated. Read! Thy Lord is the most beneficent, who taught by the pen, Taught that which they knew not unto men.”
*SO I READ IT,* and he departed from me. And I awoke from my sleep, and it was as though these words were written on my heart.”
*Muhammad was illiterate man, he could not read yet here he says he read what the spirit told him to **read.In** other accounts of this same story he told the spirit that he did not read*
Here is the account from the Buhkari Hadith:
*Buhkari Hadith - Vol 6 Book5 81*
“The *ANGEL CAME TO HIM* in it and said, ‘Read!’
“The Prophet said, ‘I said, *“I DO NOT READ.”*
He seized me and squeezed me until *ALL THE STRENGTH WENT OUT OF ME* and then released me and said, “Read!”
I said, *“I DO NOT READ.”*
Then he seized me and squeezed me a second time until *ALL THE STRENGTH WENT OUT OF ME* and then released me and said, “Read!”
I said, *“I DO NOT READ.”*
Then he seized me and squeezed me a third time…..
“He returned with that and his heart was quaking. He went to Khadija and said, ‘Wrap me up! Wrap me up!’ *They wrapped him up until the STATE OF TERROR had left him* and then he said to Khadija, ‘What is wrong with me?’………..
*👉THE PROPHET BECAME SO SAD that we heard that his sorrow several times MADE HIM WANT TO THROW HIMSELF OFF THE TOPS OF THE MOUNTAINS.”👈*
*👉Muhammad was so bothered by what had happened that HE WANTED TO COMMIT SUICIDE.👈*
👉 This is *SO UNLIKE* any of the *PROPHETS OF THE BIBLE* 👈
👉 *MUHAMMAD WAS NOT SURE if this was an ANGEL OR a DEMON . MUHAMMAD, HIMSELF , THOUGHT HE WAS DEMON POSSESSED* 👈
*Sira No. 153 & 154 (Ishaq)*
*“I thought, Woe is me 👉POET OR POSSESSED👈* - Never shall Quraysh say this of me! *I WILL go to the top of the mountain and THROW MYSELF DOWN THAT I MAY KILL MYSELF AND GAIN REST* So I went forth to do so and then) when I was midway on the mountain, I heard a voice from heaven saying ‘O Muhammad! thou are the apostle of God and, *I am Gabriel*
CLEARLY MUHAMMAD was DECEIVED BY no other then the FATHER OF LIES himself, SATAN
*👉The One True God NEVER DRIVES a MAN TO contemplate SUICIDE.👈*
*👉EVER👈*
God does not contradict himself, he is not able to.
*Again God says*
Galatians 1:8-9
8 But though we, *OR AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN* preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, *IF ANY MAN PREACH ANY OTHER GOSPEL l unto you than that ye have received, LET HIM BE ACCURSED*
And
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for *SATAN himself is TRANSFORMED INTO an ANGEL OF LIGHT*
*What Muhammad experienced was TRULY SATANIC and not of God.*
*Turn the keel in the ocean of DEATH that is Islam*
And
*Seek the fair waters of Christ Jesus the Redeemer*
May God bless you with Truth
Important additions in quran! And in Nietzsches gospel, too, an improver of the "Evangelium", where the same elemental force has spoken. Prophets warned of new prophets, who call them the "christ", but the long awaited and prophesied "purification of sanctuary" came as "antichrist". 🌿
I get the impression that for some theists God is allowed to be capricious, breaking his own moral laws that he expects of the rest of us to follow. Thus, at any time he could turn on the rest of us and inflict his judgement. I think such believers have made a God requiring a type of tribal adherence above morally. Yes, though not in the same category, is it like God making 2 + 2 = 5?
That said, we do create God in our own image.
ROMANS 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgements, and his ways past finding out!
No. The real Heart of the problem questioned here is the concept of Perfection and WHO decides what that is. It's not like the concept of perfection is something keeping God in check to make sure God isn't behaving like a naughty God. God is not a slave to anything, not perfection, not freedom or anything. GOD is both Everything AND Nothing. Immanent in Everything and ALSO transcending all Existence. So is GOD perfect? Of course perfection is a concept describing God but it does not define God as such. God cannot be properly defined, God is the great definer and Life is the process created to make that definition . . .. ... .....
God follows constructs. Like good and evil. So id say he has rules. That it ,,god. Does. Follow. So not free in some senses. Yet constricted by his own divinity,,, his own nature. Which is, good and benevolent,,just and balanced.
God make sense by our only way to embrace Him, because on the opposite is randomness and chaos that beyond our comprehensive into infinity.
In my Religion we believe there is Ruh Allah a Spirit of God of his essence, may consider this as Cosmic Consicioussness, if we can think of its Nature, the Value of such perfect "will" is more, than random and chaos, did God create such random and chaos? we will never know within Quantum level.
However Outside Alpha and Omega, there is no such random and chaos.
16:20 You're so wrong about that! But like I said I see I bigger picture.. as a human I make mistakes and a very good personal improvement technique is use your mistakes as a tool.. I do not cry in regret forever if someday I fall drunk and have gay sex (to make derren happy) .. something I would never do.. I would feel bad. But I grow to future constantly not to past.. I make many mistakes s long the way.. I just use and accept them as part of it. The moment.. I can isolate it. Like kicking my toe on a chair .. and say "ouch". Done. Past!.. I will get some juice and smoke a cigarette.. or use my phone.. it's a flow experience. Not block buildings experiences.. sometimes i get annoyed with my parents.. i do not feel good about it. But i have a functioning normal human brain which makes my family an emotionally normally healthy one. Which i try treasure. I am normal. I think my voice just got too loud. For my own good.
I notice that your beloved guests are assuming God to be other than themselves. The answers are self-evident. You don't need to search the stars.
Freedom is fundamental. It catalyzes experience. Experience is the soil out of which insight, clarity and wisdom grows.
The ultimate virtue is not goodness, but the ability to use our light to choose wisely.
What is good may appear not good. What is not good may appear good.
The one who is devoid of inner knowing cannot be good though such a one may do good. Goodness is not an act, it is an understanding.
Many came saying, "I healed, gave to eat, gave alms, yet the master of the parable told them, "Begone, for I never knew you." Their acts of goodness were of no significance, for they came not from inner knowing. They were mechanical, without heart. Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
Lol kuhn.. why be scared by a super human? That's like saying you're scared of the dark.. just because you cant wrap your head around divine logic doesn't mean it would ever do something that contradicts his will. The fact you're scared is actually a bad thing because it shows your predisposition.. you're picking an outcome before it happens.. if you loved the idea of a super human god.. you would be choosing a positive outcome.. what you cant choose is to be superior to god. It's just not possible.. it might be possible under the correct circumstances to also be god. But you cant be more than god.
Gods also most interested in his personal relationships. God loves his wife most.. but that also hasn't happened yet. But since you're scared of a personal god means that you're unlikely to have a personal relationship with god.
Idk.. I'm just bored.. here of you want to be friends tho.
Is a god who lacks the capability to commit evil acts (even if he would want to, if it were possible), really better than a god who has the capability, but freely chooses to never commit such evil acts? I agree with Robert, the latter is easily arguable to be a superior version of god. A being with the power to kill and destroy everyone and everything, yet because of his good nature, is committed to never ever using this unfathomable destructive power he possesses, strikes me as being the more graceful and morally superior god.
Gods personality depends on the context of the circumstances.. if god was surrounded by an angry mob of ignorance.. vs a party where everyone's having fun.. gods a product of his environment... his creation has freewill which is what requires gods perspective to evolve.
I dont believe god could do something bad.. based on his own perspective of bad which is not necessarily the same agreed upon human sense of bad..
In the crucifixion good and evil unifies.. there is only love. So from the perspective of the father bad isn't possible. Vs the son.. who has more of a human perspective with a dualistic sense of good and evil.
So really you want to be friends with the son vs wage war with the father..
Why is it assumed that God is “perfect”? Why is it assumed that the experience we are having now in the universe we are now in is all that there is. If God had a greater purpose then our current life might just be a step toward something else. A set of lessons, perhaps? God could just be the creator or the host body with what we might think are imperfections including thoughts that are not good in our view. Without knowing the greater context, what makes us sure we can judge what is good?
JUST LIKE HUMANS.. HAVE FREE WILL.. SO DOES GOD! I DO WHAT I AM WILLING TO DO AND NOT DO WHAT I AM NOT WILLING TO DO. I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THAT. IT IS PRETTY MUCH MY ESSENCE.. BUT IF YOU TALKING ABOUT CONSTRAINTS.. HE MIGHT HAVE MENTAL CONSTRAINS FOR LOGICAL REASONS.. AND EMOTIONAL CONSTRAINTS FOR MATTERS OF FEELINGS.. BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN IMPOSSIBILITY.. I MY SELF WAS A HUMAN.. HAVE MANY.. I CANNOT FLY FOR EXAMPLE. BUT THE REAL GOD. FOR HIM NOTHING IMPOSSIBLE.. IMPOSSIBLE IS CONCEPT OF THE MIND.. IMPOSSIBLE DOESN'T EVEN PROCESS IN HIS MIND.. BECAUSE HIS WILL GOVERNS FIRST.
14:56.. I do struggle with that idea.. but you see .. just bc i can see it now.. i may decide to do something just to mess perfection up.. like killing someone or doing something weird.. it is grow a degree further everytime I see a pattern.. I am willingly following this pattern to help people get comfortable so I can be comfortable. I am a normal human being.. with feelings and emotions.. don't think I am too different from you.. I just see a bigger picture.. nothing else.
Are you free today? No, I am busy. God is free and busy because of his ability. Are you free in this agreement? I am free to this agreement before the contract because I am obligated to respect the terms of the contract. God and man and property contract. Is material interpretation free because it is a dogmatic idiology ?
Are you free because you have a lot of money? No, because you have a lot of responsibilities. Try to pray and meditate and share a little joy and sadness with others.
Existence
Did god choose to exist? If he did what/who created his nature, him?
If he didn't choose to exist is he truly free? Can he go against his nature?
It is clear that from whatever angle we try to explain or describe God and his actions, we constantly run in contradictions and unsolvable situations. All experts have different visions and I would say that this is a strong argument that God simply does not exist. We as human beings need to have respect and fate in our capacity to reason with logic. If we do not accept this, nothing makes sense, not God and not humanity!
You can subtract smaller number from bigger, but how can you subtract in reverse? How can you recreate who created you? Just know he exists in beforeness
19:42 - I WORRY ABOUT CLEAN CONSCIOUS.. THAT'S ALL. BUT YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT MY CONSCIOUS LEVEL SEES.. BUT I KNOW IT'S ONE OF MY CARACTERISTICS TO HAVE A CLEAN & PEACEFUL CONSCIOUS.. I THINK OF NOTHING THE UNIVERSE CAN DESAPEAR I COULDN'T CARE.. IT'S ONLY RELEVANT WHERE MY FOCUS IS MOST AT.
Source is limited by time, and can only interact with its creation of space and time through proxies that are unaware of their true nature, and are hidden behind layers upon layers of veils and dimensions that prevents time and space to flow back to source, the only timeless aspect that flows between source and creation is awareness that turns into individual consciousness when it inhabits a brain.The brain is the hard-drive that has experiences and stores memories, and consciousness is the spark that makes it all possible. Source have created a reality that is completely self contained and ruled by natural laws, and within it everything is relative. The absolute resides outside reality, and it can’t be measured but must be experienced.
Trying to compare god to us is ridicules. God is nothing we can understand God is a saturation of love. God doesn’t choose god doesn’t think god is love. God exist as a place where we exist with god. And can god be described as our idea of a god. No. The god of the Old Testament was not the god of our soul.
BEFORE WATCHING... GOD'S GREAST WEAKNESS IS THAT OF ANY HERO... THEIR LOVED ONES!!... SO GOD IS TOTALLY FREE AS LONG AS HE CARES & LOVES.. IF HE DOESN'T CARE.. GOD IS COMPLETELY FREE.
Larry Kuhn doesn’t ever really seem to get closer to the truth. This entire series is just opinions. Never any real answers. Time for a new gig, Lawrence.
Free? Religion is an $82 Billion a year enterprise in the USA alone. Next question, please. LOL
It's one thing for humanity to delve into and try to understand the mind of its creator. It's another to suggest that it is better for god to be good than for god to be free. The latter, I think, is more preposterous, given if god truly exists.
p.s. trying to understand god shows one wants to understand more, suggesting it is better for god to be one thing over another shows one arrogantly suggests that he knows better than his creator.
Why the stock music soundtrack? I hope God didn't choose it.
If there is God, then is it not foolish and arrogant to think we could understand God? Is it not silly to think we can know the limitations of God, or knows that ways that God is not free? I mean come on now, we are talking about the creator of the universe here. We have no idea what would be involved in the creation of the universe. So, I think it best to think we can not know anything about God. That makes the most sense to me.
The origin of human consciousness is God. To be rejoined in the oneness of God we must be perfect as God is perfect. To be created in the image of God is to be placed into the pursuit of perfection, the impetus of evolution.
THERE IS ACTION.. REACTION HAPPENING.. THAT'S WHY NOTHING IS DETERMINISTIC.. IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT LEVEL YOU ARE OPERATING YOUR DEGREE OF FREEDOM INCREASES.. ARE YOU UNABLE TO NOT REACT TO WHAT I SAY ?.. IF YOU ARE.. YOU'RE NOT FREE IN THE DEGREE OF THE IMPACT OF MY ACTION.. ALMOST NOONE IS FREE FROM ACTION REACTION.. AS SOON AS I CAME INTO PICTURE.. YOU ACT .. I ACT.. I MAY NOT BE FREE FROM THAT.. BUT I CAN CHOOSE NOT ACT.. WHICH COULD BE AN ACTION IN ITSELF.
God is not universal. He is personal If you belief he exist, he exist. If you think he is free, he is.
I HAVE MANY PERSONALITY FLAWS .. ESPECIALLY DRUNK.. AND I DO LIKE TO PARTY AND DRINK.
How does one know what God is like? It sounds inconceivable to me.
God was required to create. If he did not create he would not exist.
You are as free as an animal is.. you are as free as humans are, God is as free as a God is.
Yes
Reality is inherently paradoxical. Being the very substance of reality, God is also paradoxical. God is simultaneously free and not free, like a quantum superposition. God transcends static definition and categorization.
Are you free today? No, I am busy. God is free and busy because of his ability. Are you free in this agreement? I am free to this agreement before the contract because I am obligated to respect the terms of the contract. God and man and property contract. Is material interpretation free because it is a dogmatic idiology ?
Are you free because you have a lot of money? No, because you have a lot of responsibilities. Try to pray and meditate and share a little joy and sadness with others.
Gods are so yesterday, like when the earth was flat, the good old days 🤣
But he's still in your head
But in this case the atheists are more like the flat earthers, they both deny reality.
Not believing in Santa Claus is denial of reality, say yes because you can’t have it both ways.
@@nyttag7830 except there are no deductive proofs for the existence of Santa Claus, there are for God.
No there is no proof whatsoever and not even a legitimate reason
God can't exist without human thinking about it, simply because only human can come up with concepts like "god" and "money" and "liberty" etc...
Maybe a robot some day think you have the property of being clishaj, and that not mean you don't exist because in its limited circuits that's it's only aproximation to refer at you.
"Is God free?"
I am still stuck at the question whether such a thing as a god, or gods exists. Let's first solve that problem before we waste time with the other stuff that follows from that.
Some theologians pretend to know the color of god's underwear, but they do not even have good evidence for the existence of god... nor of his underwear.
Looking at the fallacy machine that is theology and apologetics I am forced to assume there is no such thing as a god at all.
Especially in christian theology the humbug levels are extremely high.
Freedom is one of the better aurguments for god ☺
That's the point of asking if "god is free". To see if the idea can pass the test.
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There is no freedom in religion.
@Homo Quantum Sapiens definately?
@@thomasridley8675 how can you hae duty without the freedom to reject it.... ? Its in the first book lool
humans have the power to limit god
Does this mean God does not have free will?
You do not know what you do not know (but think you know).
You must be joking // This imaginary fores demands you throw away your independence to think and submit to iron age thinking. JUST GROW UP From a PRIMATE
Thanks random person on RUclips
God is perfect and can't be any other way than acting perfectly.
Wow, that puts even tighter restraints in their gods power. Does god have free will seems to be a better question.
Wait, doesn't religions give their god all the human emotional states. Well except, humility and self reflection apparently.
Jesus : you must be humble and without pride.
I didn't say you could get up yet.
what god do they keep referring too?
It's very simple. God is restraint by his own eternity. At some point the eternity becomes a torture. There is a limit to how much eternity any creature can receive until it goes crazy. I'm talking about for example 5 billion eternities. But God is damned to receive ANY amount of eternities: billions, trillions ect. And this knowledge restrains God to some actions he has to do, in order to be able to get those amounts of eternities. It's like a hellish prison where you can not escape. That's because the Bible is full of glorification of death. The eternal life is a sickness if you can't enjoy it. And that restrains God to actions which should bring only joy to himself.
You just made that up!
Eternity no means infinite pass of time, is an existence out of time
NOT PERFECT PERSONALITY AT ALL.
God is free because he doesn't need anything or is dependent on anything, we are not free because we need and depend on other things.
Are you free today? No, I am busy. God is free and busy because of his ability. Are you free in this agreement? I am free to this agreement before the contract because I am obligated to respect the terms of the contract. God and man and property contract. Is material interpretation free because it is a dogmatic idiology ?
Are you free because you have a lot of money? No, because you have a lot of responsibilities. Try to pray and meditate and share a little joy and sadness with others.
God is bound by His oath.
Sadghuru has the answer
Is god an agnostic?
An "all-powerful" god could replicate "himself" infinitely many times, contradicting his uniqueness. Therefore, he cannot be completely free if he exists (which he doesn't!).
These other claims (personalty traits etc) are another order of utter nonsense.
Tell me how you know he exists or dosen't exist just because you say he dosen't exist means nothing
@@seangill898 What's your definition of "he" then we'll see if he exists.
utter rubbish
Quite honestly you sound a little like Goethe's Faust:
FAUST "Ah! Now I’ve done Philosophy,
I’ve finished Law and Medicine, 355
And sadly even Theology:
Taken fierce pains, from end to end.
Now here I am, a fool for sure!
No wiser than I was before:
Master, Doctor’s what they call me, 360
And I’ve been ten years, already,
Crosswise, arcing, to and fro,
Leading my students by the nose,
And see that we can know - nothing!
FAUST:
Habe nun, ach! Philosophie,
Juristerei und Medizin,
Und leider auch Theologie
Durchaus studiert, mit heißem Bemühn.
Da steh ich nun, ich armer Tor!
Und bin so klug als wie zuvor;
Heiße Magister, heiße Doktor gar
Und ziehe schon an die zehen Jahr
Herauf, herab und quer und krumm
Meine Schüler an der Nase herum-
Und sehe, daß wir nichts wissen können!
YOU CANNOT COME TO KNOW GOD THROUGH SCIENCE, BUT YOU CAN APPRECIATE GOD BY OBSERVING HIS CREATIONS. THE TRUTH WILL MAKE US FREE AND ONE DAY WE WILL ALL KNOW IT!
If u learn things you ask better questions
We have no need to ponder. His personality is laid bare in foundational scripture: moody, capricious and regretful. You can't just decide He must be something else, that would be a different god.
Is God totally free implies you already proved it exists? Since you did not do so, whatever follows must be based on an ungrounded basis.
Jake could choose to take the candy given enough incentive,very big reward ,etc,
so not necessarily 'impossible,
wheras without arms it would be truly impossible,
(to pick them up with his fingers)
Hardships give hope and change. It gives choice, mercy, compassion, and rise to a deity who gives and takes. Those hardships include and are not limited to death, cancer, tornados, hurricanes, earthquakes, meteors, genocide, ect. Praise GOD for he only has the end result in mind... Perfection.
If God is "All Knowing" Then their is no freewill, It turns into the "Married Bachelor fallacy"
Maybe just as Perfectionism won't accommodate a degree of flexibility, Perfection won't either. I don't know.
Robert, if only you could get William Lane Craig and his blind followers who spew his word magic to watch your content. And actually be honest about the content and with themselves
These last few videos are all about the existence of God or related to God... after watching all the videos now i am more tortured about these questions.
"Freedom" and "Perfection" are both not defined but used a lot in this. Not the best ground to build a conversation on...
for GOD to truly love everyone, he must give hardships. So what is perfect to humans is not perfect to GOD.
Everything is built up on profit, benefits, and advantages, nothing else.
So you got nothing from the video
Nothing else?
All influenced information from birth on. If you can erase all information you wouldn't think or even know anything about a God.
First your own discoveries could lead to think about creation, that has no name, no title, until its given one.
God is $9.95 at Hobby Lobby.
I only look for Clearance items at Hobby Lobby... that's my hobby.
You come from heaven .and that's all you need to know. god is. TR💫N
Gods attitude and lattuide,like to know how they know so much about god.
Yes, God is perfectly free; just pay for S&H.
I already told you...nothing is free
The god will be absolutely god’s, if everyone united
"Perfect being" and a jealous God. Hmmm.
Maybe jealous is part of perfection,
@@kefrenferrer6777 Uuuh, that's a stretch. There would have to be no "maybe" about it. The God of the bible admits he is jealous, has anger and is revengeful. If we are to emulate him to aspire to be closer to perfection ourselves then we must strive to develop those attributes in ourselves. OR . . it's all bronze age nonsense and we shouldn't.
Well He was an orphan after all. He "grew up" completely without parents or any sort of authority figure. It seems quite obvious that the jealous god of the Old Testament is still immature and had not yet come to terms with His autonomy.
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there is no god . period, waste of time
How you come up with that conclusion. No the only waste of time is you writing that idoitic comment. Waste of time.
@@seangill898 your response is so primitive you must be religious
Different forms of God behave in somewhat different ways. Kṛṣṇa is totally free to do whatever He wants, while Rāma maintains perfectly exemplary behavior.
Have you talked to them recently? They keep showing offline for me.
Yes, God has absolute freewill unlike man.
Did God need to create ?
No, "need" carries the weight of necessity, which the logical inference is contingency. But God is non contingent, therefore freely chose to create, thereby displaying the exemplar of freewill.
The uncaused, non contingent, first cause of all contingency.
Seek Christ Jesus the Redeemer
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Hey Soli... I like your worldview.
Earth is my favorite planet so far.
What if you think is opposite !
If God has exhaustive and perfect foreknowledge of what He will do, then He is not free to do other than what He always knew He would do.
Finally a comment worthy of an affirmative thumb up.
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What's freedom? Man is unable to evaluate or see the outcomes oh his choices. The consequences of his actions. Freedom is subject to constraints responsibilities and choices. Everything created is subject to constraints. God possesses total knowledge and vision on anything. Then the question is absolutely antropomorphic and has no meaning what so ever when applied to God. God is far far far beyond this anthropomorphism! He is The Geatest! Glory to Him! This man centered vision and conception is doomed to dead end or contradictions ...
That is a very easy escape route, if you do not want to see the dibilitating problems of your fictional theology. But looking the other way does not make it go away.
@@Ploskkky Take your mental diarrhea far away from here ... That's too strong for your limited brain ...
Actually, God is not free, remember THERE IS THE COLLECTION PLATE.
Are you free today? No, I am busy. God is free and busy because of his ability. Are you free in this agreement? I am free to this agreement before the contract because I am obligated to respect the terms of the contract. God and man and property contract. Is material interpretation free because it is a dogmatic idiology ?
Are you free because you have a lot of money? No, because you have a lot of responsibilities. Try to pray and meditate and share a little joy and sadness with others.
WE are God..,A humble opinion..
Behave accordingly.
Ancient gnostics and modern logias think similar.
@@kefrenferrer6777 Perhaps that's true Kefren.. If labels are necessary, I would prefer philosophical naturalist. That's a good label. From that perspective there are no SUPERNATURAL gods.. It is man who creates God.. But who's to say there are not NATURAL ones? Are you following me so far?
@@billnorris1264 Are you free today? No, I am busy. God is free and busy because of his ability. Are you free in this agreement? I am free to this agreement before the contract because I am obligated to respect the terms of the contract. God and man and property contract. Is material interpretation free because it is a dogmatic idiology ?
Are you free because you have a lot of money? No, because you have a lot of responsibilities. Try to pray and meditate and share a little joy and sadness with others.
@@mustafaelbahi7979 Hello again Mustafa..Soon I'll be able to call you my old friend.. You ALREADY know that I understand the importance of religion..Since you are a PROLIFIC proselytizer of your particular religious flavor, I have a challenge. It WON'T be easy, because I know how little you like answering my questions, but this is a chance for you to attract a Soul or two.. Does the following claims make sense? 1) God created the universe. 2) We are LESS than bacteria COMPARED to the almighty God. 3) God has decided that this bacteria- like creation should follow precise rules of behavior. 4) FAILURE to obey these rules will result in God punishing his barely conscious flock.. 5) STRICT compliance means theres an eternal reward awaiting us AFTER we die.. Mustafa, does ANY of this seem Worthy of an omnipotent Gods plan for the Cosmos? OR does it sound like the mores of Bronze Age slaveholders, wishing to preserve their positions of power? Just asking Mustafa. Will you be willing to address ANY of these issues?
Although true freedom demands freedom of choice, the exercise of freedom of choice does not always necceserally bring true freedom.
To use your freedom of choice to do yourself harm is freedom of choice utterly waisted - perhaps it would have been better for you not to have had freedom of choice!
If you will, heaven expresses dauntless freedom (true life) and hell, soul-destroying lack of freedom.
It is not beneath God to speak like he did in his audience with Job when he said to him: If your Right hand is mighty to bring down the proud and haughty - then I will honour and praise you!
We can see from this, as from other examples, that God's freedom lies in his humility, goodness and compassion.
Humility, goodness, compassion, in a word - Love, spells Ultimate Freedom - inside of creation, and 'outside' of creation.
Why is that, our personal freedom can hurt other people, that's the only reason why none of us can't ever became like God.
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And yet, Jesus demanded: 'Be like your Father who is in Heaven who let's his sun shine on both good and bad.'
The great author Fyodor Dostoyevsky explained that in most people's lives thát kind of love can only become an effective reality when it becomes like a fully fledged science in a person's life....calling for the same kind of hard work, dedication, patience, passion, ect.
The Sermon on the Mount is the launching-pad for a life in which greater and greater true freedom is attained. And Jesus considered this to be more important in salvation than powerful and elegant theology.
When he holds forth an example of human behaviour close to God's heart, he chooses the good Samaritan - an unsophisticated and utter heretic.
I love Closer to Truth.
I think that the authors (for example) of both Genesis and the birth-story in the Matthew-gospel attached great value to what was already present of scientific logic of their times. In the case of Genesis concerning the status of the sun as merely an created object as opposed to being a 'God' , and in Matthew's birth-story, the witness of the 'wise' stargazers - those who were skilled in travelling by making use of the stars. Remember that by the Matthew text's time Claudius Ptolemy's spherical earth had already been in vogue amongst dynamic intellectuals for quite some time.
It is clear that if the All-wise God of Jesus truly cares so about all creation, that the priceless great pearl on offer should be easily available to all - Jews, Greeks, civilized, uncivilized, 'good' and 'bad'.
The Trinity and Jesus' divinity?
I don't think that that is a good place from which to start out.
God is a rumour if you will.
But there is this one man - who seems to be more human than anyone a person has ever come across - Jesus, who seems to be truly freer than any - free to speak and do the good thing - unfailingly - unto death - even in dying. Now that is someone I can trust !
When he speaks about God I want to listen and to learn.
@@thysvanzyl2782 One thing is interesting about Jesus, he didn't wrote any books or scriptures, most definitely didn't do a podcast. God from Old Testament dictated entire Bible, together with names of entire family trees. So his mentality and knowledge were reconstructed from various testimonies and records, we can never experience Jesus as a writer. Everything about living God is a construct basically, a story about nobody, born in a peasant family of nobodies, by accident, who became everything that is and has ever existed. Interesting way how God came close to people, almost like pop stars or fictional heroes of today., Must be consequence from what Jesus left behind, there are no such differences among the people, everybody can imagine or believe what he wish, but let's all stick to some basic, simple things that even the most mentally challenged persons among us can understand.
He was absolutely right, nobody knows what all this is really, so let's not take other people's ideas to serious and try to stay human, if you can.
I'm just a layman and no match for these intellectuals but it seems to me philosophical questions can not be answered definitively. Submissions are all either unverifiable, subjective, ambiguous, or paradoxical. We, who are of a philosophical bent, search for answers where there are none. Philosophy is a beautiful and elegant canine endlessly chasing its tail.
Philosophy is the elegant way to dedicate the life to nothing
Philosophy is something between religion and science. For Nietzsche religion and science are both ways of self-alianation, while philosophy is the way back to the self. Without philosophy, science would put you into sleep, like Wittgenstein said.
How very philosophical of you... see what i did there? Lool