Alternative Concepts of God | Episode 1104 | Closer To Truth
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Philosophers explore novel ideas of what God may be like. They challenge classical theism, the personal creator of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Featuring interviews with Yujin Nagasawa, Marcel Sarot, Willem Drees, John Bishop, and Eric Steinhart.
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How can you explore alternatives concepts of god without delving into any of the non-abrahamic religion that like hinduism, budhism, sikhism, jainism etc?
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY!!! Note that it is all old white men.
It makes sense. However, we are talking about different ideas of what God is from a philosophical point of view.
This is the main problem with, rather limitation of, discussions in this series. If you wish to answer problems at the interface of science and philosophy, you can not reach a meaningful reasoning unless you dwelve into Abrahamic and Non- Abrahamic philosophies alike. Keeping self stalled deep in the Christian and Papal philosophy and wandering for answers in really a half- hearted exercise.
While its intuitive to think that someone created the universe, thats not a must. Whats intuitive need not be true. The universe can be just existing without a beginning or its created not by anyone. Why would god create a tiny speck in the universe just to be morally right? That said, we still cannpt prove either way and therefore, being Agnostic is the right position to be in although its more satisfying to some to believe in whatever they believe.
@@markkolenski9502 Boo hoo.
God is love, kindness, knowledge, compassion, fairness, beauty...etc.
Cute, but what about the ugliness in the world. Who owns that?
@@chmd22 Good question. Zoroastrianism has an answer for that: There are two creative forces in the universe, one is Ahriman/evil responsible for all the ugliness and the other one is Ahuramazda responsible for all the good stuff. They have been fighting each other for ever but, one day the forces of good will defeat the forces of evil. It is a good philosophy.
Just put a bunch cute words together and label them "God" or whatever means basically nothing. If those good psychological qualities are simply God per se, then there is no need to talk about "God" and we should just stick to those words.
None can be tested... there's no formula or machine to replicate anything of this. No offense given
That's very mundane. Surely you can do better.
My mind is like mush trying to figure out reality ,I just can't cope no more.
@To R There is more wisdom and truth in what you have said than perhaps you realize.
Maybe I agree.thank you.
Dirtlaw 502 it's just this planet has dark times ahead and do you really think there is any meaning to all of this and thanks mate.
@@dogsbollox4335 Check out the Thomistic Institute, Bishop Barron, Classical Theist on youtube if you are interested in the Catholic perspective. God bless!
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We are all the same being in the most literal sense. We are God.
I wonder if Mr. Kuhn will ever talk to someone who follows Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. It's the chief book of the Vedas, older than the Bible, and describes the absolute truth in detail as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but I guess he would think of it as "alternative."
Your truth is no more "absolute" than anybody else's.
@@ferdinandkraft857 Why do you characterize Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam as mine? I didn't write it, but I recommend starting from the beginning:
Www.vedabase.io/en/library/sb
Yes he would think of it as alternative. I think the idea of conceiving such conceptions of God as 'alternative' is so Western-centric, as if Abrahamic conceptions of God are the standard or default. The more I follow Kuhn's show the more I realise how Eurocentric the philosophy and theology he pursues or explores is. If he's going to search for truth he needs to widen his perspective.
There is no such things as good and bad from God's perspective, it's just a human interpretation of events happen in a place or a time, truth is the fundamental principle of God and that is the way how nature works.
Before trying to talk/think deductively about That ... Why not try with inductive extreme thoughts like what are the boundaries of The Human's Imagination? or Could the human imagination conceives how Eternal Entities would be? or What could happen with contingency and time in an Eternal Domain? or If you - suddenly - becomes an immortal eternal Being ...What would you do? ...
What is easier?
To Teach a Chimp to learn how to be like a Human ... or
To teach a Human to learn how to be like a Chimp ...
Altered states, return to primordial consciousness and reverse course of natural mutations.
There is a concept of God in some eastern philosophies that God is a Cosmic source or potential that actualized itself in the form of universe and everything within it... and now God is evolving through the universe to perfect itself. I don't know what label is there for such an immanent and evolving God!
Pity you left out Spinozan Panentheism.
He was a pantheist
Entanglement believed there is a main source or nothing is created or destroyed. They are still living and much more advanced.
God is Love and anyone who has real love in their heart has a part of God which is most powerful. The more people love, the more God is manifested in the world. If everyone becomes love then God is every where and we become ONE with the "All" the true reality.
No solid experimental facts, it is only descriptive, it is guess.
As an atheist I tend to agree with Leftow in the end. These guys keep talking about god but only the word "god" is left there. What they describe is not really god.
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He speaks of Reality when he cannot prove this reality
If God all ready interduce himself true his creation including all of us being port of his creation?who are those people to talk about God . When I look at myself and the universe that is so in order so program so clear and profound. And he teaching us true his creation about here and the here after ALLAH is Great. I am a good Christian now i fallow Mohammad because Jesus advice me to.
The eyes are the windows to the soul?👁️👁️ No. WE are the windows to God's Soul.
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God has a soul?
@@dr.jamesolack8504 God is Spirit. A soul is spiritual. In that sense man created in the image of God has a soul
Universe is a body of God, no wonder everything brakes and never work as it suppose to.
You only got one thing right..."god" is a "concept" and since "concepts" do not exist neither does any of the "gods" humans have invented.
Concepts exist or can otherwise refer to things that do exist.
@@Solidude4 No, concepts do not exist. Can you send me five pounds of numbers? Only objects with shape exist. Concepts are man made relationships between objects that do exist they do not exist on their own
@@robertwhite1810 They exist as mental abstractions. Unless you're a materialist/physicalist (which I'm not), there's no reason to believe only physical phenomena exist.
There are as many as there are stars in the universe and you're not going to learn anything substantive watching this video. Save yourself a half an hour. Move on to greener pastures. You're welcome.
The fact that every theist (with a brain) can't agree what God is, is more proof that it doesn't exist and is purely a figment of their imagination.
4L3PH4 prove to me that God does not exist
@@anneridley4545 I don't have to prove non-existence - even a child knows that. Anyway, what's your precise definition of god, before you try to prove anything?
POG THEISM ISN'T VERY POG
God is an artist, he created this universe, than he went to buy a pack of cigarettes and never come back.
In go DW ET rust
In God we trust
Isn't panentheism synonymous with most credible arguments for God? That is to say the universe is part of God, but does not exhaust what God is? The alternatives, that God is a superhero looking on disapprovingly from outside his creation, seems too like the worst of human nature, not divine. That God made the universe but washed his hands of it and retired to heaven, seems equally facile. If we are conscious, and not suffering an organised delusion of consciousness, a pan-conscious God would seem inevitable.
You didn’t really give an argument for why God would have to be part of the universe, that just seems arbitrary.
I agree, I find Spinozan Panentheism the most satisfactory model of divinity. Throw in Teilhard and William Gibson... ;)
@@youthresist8956 The argument is whether consciousness is a delusion or not. If it is a delusion, all conclusions that follow from it must be suspect. You can't conjure a real phenomenon from an epiphenomenon, it's biology "all the way down". If it isn't a delusion, what manner of thing is it? If I am truly conscious, and solipsism doesn't address the apparent consciousness of others, consciousness may be fundamental. Fundamental consciousness sounds sufficiently like descriptions of God. If consciousness is localised sparks and chemistry doing its thing, the true nature of reality must be beyond its purview.
If 1) God exists and 2) He's omnipotent, then He must encompass infinite paradoxes. For example, He's everything and nothing simultaneously. He encompasses and animates everything that exists (universe, multiverse, whatever) and yet has nothing to do with any of it. This could also help explain how each one of us is a spark of the Divine -- seemingly autonomous sentient creatures that in some way are objects generated and sustained by His imagination. On that level, existence might be entirely solipsistic.
Panentheism strikes a chord with me. I imagine it's analogous to a person during sleep. His body still exists, and he'll reclaim control of it in the morning, but for the time being his consciousness exists in a non-physical realm that transcends his body.
@@durosempre4470 I disagree that existence is solipsistic, other people behave and respond sufficiently like me to infer they have an independent existence. The question is how exhaustive that reality is?
I search in vain for concepts of God from non-Western civilizations and cultures in these episodes. They may have something valuable to say. Being stuck with the idea of God as a person, a Creator, having attributes of love, hate etc., God having a body, location, being the universe, within the universe, outside the universe, directing events, all these concepts, while interesting, are not really satisfactory. Who is asking all these questions and formulating concepts? Consciousness is the source of all ideas and concepts. Again, all discussion about nature and location of consciousness is also a product of consciousness.
I wonder if Albert Schweitzer was weighed down by all the concepts of God before he decided once and for all that the supreme purpose and value of his life was to serve his fellow humans
and make the world as he found it a little better. Perhaps his worldview transcended even Christian faith. God is beyond comprehension and description. Any human description, concept, or idea of God falls short of . Let us know more about Body, brain, mind, and consciousness. Then we might be closer to Truth.
I think Albert Schweitzer had valid point. Doing what enhances life, caring for all life, treating it as of great value, being a life-giver seems like a good way to live one's life. There are many ways in which one can do this. We all know when we do good, and we all know when we don't. You don't need "high degrees" of learning to know this. You "experience" it. Whatever "power" or "creator spirit" is behind this, I think and feel that it is manifesting its "Being-ness" through all that is, and we all seem to have an intuition of compassion, wonder, and awe toward life. We all want to know that we matter, that we are of value for no other reason than that "we are", so lets treat each other as if this is so.
It's very simple. Nature is ALL that there is, is all you'll ever be able to experience, contemplate or know. GOD is what we are experiencing. No "Belief" required! I noticed while very young that Nature was where I felt the most Loved and where I felt closest to the Forces of Life. With this perception, we can See all as manifestations of divinity where ALL is connected and interwoven through Time and Space. Knowing that ALL is ONE gives a deeper appreciation for Nature & Life. For the Natural Uni-verse is THE ONE that we all have in common. All those fears of being distant, detached and separated from The Divine are removed when realizing we are aspects of total divinity. If this was our overstanding many of the problems, anxiety, anger and conflicts would be diminished. The false delusiond of various Santa Claus gods only create doubts and conflicts as history has proven. In agreeing on what ties us together in this WEB of LIFE cycle could help keep this beautiful Plamet Home sustainable for all Earthlings
I agree with you my friend. Sounds like you've been reading my favorite philosopher, Spinoza.
Like a yin yang that encompasses everything...the dots in it are eyes...one of the eyes is pretty and pristine like a little baby eye...the other eye is...horrendous..a dirty window that has gazed upon epochs of pain...
25:11 Brian Leftow: "Whatever else God is supposed to be, he is supposed to be something you can pray to. But if the word 'God' is just an empty name for a dead universe that can't hear you, then that's not really God." This is fundamental, yet none of the other speakers ever consider it, and nor does Robert.
People pray, that is an empirical fact - even people who do not believe in God pray. The question Robert should be asking is, "What is the entity or phenomenon that people are addressing when they pray?"
Good grief! what a lot of Hooey. But studying theology does manage to keep a lot of people off the street.
H.C. Andersen: the Emperor’s new clothes.
A piece from a new book titled: Saved by the Light of the Buddha Within
Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what some scientists are now referring to as the unified field of consciousnesses. In other words, it’s the essence of all existence and non-existence - the ultimate creative force behind planets, stars, nebulae, people, animals, trees, fish, birds, and all phenomena, manifest or latent. All matter and intelligence are simply waves or ripples manifesting to and from this core source. Consciousness (enlightenment) is itself the actual creator of everything that exists now, ever existed in the past, or will exist in the future - right down to the minutest particles of dust - each being an individual ripple or wave. The big difference between chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and most other conventional prayers is that instead of depending on a ‘middleman’ to connect us to our state of inner enlightenment, we’re able to do it ourselves. That’s because chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo allows us to tap directly into our enlightened state by way of this self-produced sound vibration.
‘Who or What Is God?’ If we compare the concept of God being a separate entity that is forever watching down on us, to the teachings of Nichiren, it makes more sense to me that the true omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of what most people perceive to be God, is the fantastic state of enlightenment that exists within each of us. Some say that God is an entity that’s beyond physical matter - I think that the vast amount of information continuously being conveyed via electromagnetic waves in today’s world gives us proof of how an invisible state of God could indeed exist. For example, it’s now widely known that specific data relayed by way of electromagnetic waves has the potential to help bring about extraordinary and powerful effects - including an instant global awareness of something or a mass emotional reaction. It’s also common knowledge that these invisible waves can easily be used to detonate a bomb or to enable NASA to control the movements of a robot as far away as the Moon or Mars - none of which is possible without a receiver to decode the information that’s being transmitted. Without the receiver, the data would remain impotent. In a very similar way, we need to have our own ‘receiver’ switched on so that we can activate a clear and precise understanding of our own life, all other life and what everything else in existence is. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day helps us to achieve this because it allows us to reach into the core of our enlightenment and keep it switched on. That’s because Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what scientists now refer to as the unified field of consciousnesses.
To break it down - Myoho represents the Law of manifestation and latency (Nature) and consists of two alternating states. For example, the state of Myo is where everything in life that’s not obvious to us exists - including our stored memories when we’re not thinking about them - our hidden potential and inner emotions whenever they’re dormant - our desires, our fears, our wisdom, happiness, karma - and more importantly, our enlightenment. The other state, ho, is where everything in Life exists whenever it becomes evident to us, such as when a thought pops up from within our memory - whenever we experience or express our emotions - or whenever a good or bad cause manifests as an effect from our karma. When anything becomes apparent, it merely means that it’s come out of the state of Myo (dormancy/latency) and into a state of ho (manifestation). It’s the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness, being awake or asleep, or knowing and not knowing.
The second law - Renge - Ren meaning cause and ge meaning effect, governs and controls the functions of Myoho - these two laws of Myoho and Renge, not only function together simultaneously but also underlie all spiritual and physical existence.
The final and third part of the tri-combination - Kyo, is the Law which allows Myoho to integrate with Renge - or vice verse. It’s the great, invisible thread of energy that fuses and connects all Life and matter - as well as the past, present and future. It’s also sometimes termed the Universal Law of Communication - perhaps it could even be compared with the string theory that many scientists now suspect exists.
Just as the cells in our body, our thoughts, feelings and everything else is continually fluctuating within us - all that exists in the world around us and beyond is also in a constant state of flux - constantly controlled by these three fundamental laws. In fact, more things are going back and forth between the two states of Myo and ho in a single moment of time than it would ever be possible to calculate or describe. And it doesn’t matter how big or small, famous or trivial anything or anyone may appear to be, everything that’s ever existed in the past, exists now or will exist in the future, exists only because of the workings of the Laws ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ - the basis of the four fundamental forces, and if they didn’t function, neither we nor anything else could go on existing. That’s because all forms of existence, including the seasons, day, night, birth, death and so on, are moving forward in an ongoing flow of continuation - rhythmically reverting back and forth between the two fundamental states of Myo and ho in absolute accordance with Renge - and by way of Kyo. Even stars are dying and being reborn under the workings of what the combination ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ represents.
Nam, or Namu - which mean the same thing, are vibrational passwords or keys that allow us to reach deep into our life and fuse with or become one with ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’. On a more personal level, nothing ever happens by chance or coincidence, it’s the causes that we’ve made in our past, or are presently making, that determine how these laws function uniquely in each of our lives - as well as the environment from moment to moment. By facing east, in harmony with the direction that the Earth is spinning, and chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo for a minimum of, let’s say, ten minutes daily to start with, any of us can experience actual proof of its positive effects in our lives - even if it only makes us feel good on the inside, there will be a definite positive effect. That’s because we’re able to pierce through the thickest layers of our karma and activate our inherent Buddha Nature (our enlightened state). By so doing, we’re then able to bring forth the wisdom and good fortune that we need to challenge, overcome and change our adverse circumstances - turn them into positive ones - or manifest and gain even greater fulfilment in our daily lives from our accumulated good karma. This also allows us to bring forth the wisdom that can free us from the ignorance and stupidity that’s preventing us from accepting and being proud of the person that we indeed are - regardless of our race, colour, gender or sexuality. We’re also able to see and understand our circumstances and the environment far more clearly, as well as attract and connect with any needed external beneficial forces and situations. As I’ve already mentioned, everything is subject to the law of Cause and Effect - the ‘actual-proof-strength’ resulting from chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo always depends on our determination, sincerity and dedication. For example, the levels of difference could be compared to between making a sound on a piano, creating a melody, or producing a great song, and so on. Something else that’s very important to always to respect and acknowledge is that the Law (or if you prefer God) is in everyone and everything.
NB: There are frightening and disturbing sounds, and there are tranquil and relaxing sounds. It’s the emotional result from any noise or sound that can trigger off a mood or even instantly change one. When chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day, we are producing a sound vibration that’s the password to our true inner-self - this soon becomes apparent when you start reassessing your views on various things - such as your fears and desires etc. The best way to get the desired result when chanting is not to view things in a conventional way - rather than reaching out to an external source, we need to reach into our own lives and bring our needs and desires to fruition from within - including the good fortune and strength to achieve any help that we may need.
Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo also reaches out externally and draws us towards, or draws towards us, what we need to make us happy from our environment. For example, it helps us to be in the right place at the right time - to make better choices and decisions and so forth. We need to think of it as a seed within us that we’re watering and bringing sunshine to for it to grow, blossom and bring forth fruit or flowers. It’s also important to understand that everything we need in life - including the answer to every question and the potential to achieve every dream - already exists within us.
Very interesting ideas.
A wonderful mantra. It fixes your thougths to connect with Reality, and stop living in the limited fantasy of mind.
I like the series. But why are there so many issues with sound in it... sometimes it's not in sync (like in this one), sometimes the volume is too low... regarding the production looking pretty high standard I don't get why the uploads here are so flawed.
I'm just grateful for the content
In my opinion, and to avoid as much nuance as possible, because I believe this is just the surface of my undertanding and much nuances exist and also admitting I could be 100% wrong. God is everything and everything is God. God is all of the above. God is light. God is a partical and a wave at the same time, but also in all times. God is the sunshine we percievie and make sense of the world around us, our collective reality if you will, but also running the photons of light zipping through our brain and body, creating our individual thoughts and reality.
You have to go with a Creator-God, because otherwise you still have the issue of where the universe came from, because it cannot be eternal. A Creator can be eternal, because he transcends space and time.
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I need to be on this show. So many flaws in logic… I think they should filter out some low iq points of view.
Once you take away God's capital "G" you get nothing.
universe good for life?
nah..pretty hostile imho
There is no such things as good and bad from God's perspective, it's just a human interpretation of events happen in a place or a time, truth is the fundamental principle of God and that is the way how nature works, the concept of God is that God is not a supernatural being like we see in superhero movies
I am God, you are God, did I miss anyone? Oh, the Devil, he's food for thought.
I am. That includes the devil. There is nothing that I am not.
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Actually pretty close. However I actually know what GOD is, what we call the devil is and etc. My friend Jordan Peterson gets you most of the way there against the backdrop of modern science and information. However, he stops short of a foundational theory. That’s where I come in. I pretty much know what all humans, really all life, has been looking for. We all keep stopping short. Fear, ego, whatever it is. That’s what we call it anyway. But the universe itself is a story in Textbook format. Our lives are inside this information structure and mirror of metaphor and allegory for GOD. You must have a sacrificial mindset and an extremely no existent ego state which involves an extremely high tolerance for pain. Like you don’t even notice what would be catastrophic to others. To me, god has an immense tolerance for pain in order to give birth to the universe inside it. In order to love, you must be able to withstand the pain that comes from it, the vulnerability, the inevitable death of what you love. To carve yourself up into a billion years and a billion personalities. The love of god is us. It’s not just in us. That’s a huge difference. To say that I am the love of god from the beginning of time, and to be able to bear any task or pain set before you. You really cannot talk about god without a bed of nails you are willing to lay down onto. Without the lances piercing the martyrs to show god that the love is mutual. This magnitude of love heals the world. Even greater is to thrive with this knowledge and love. To throw down the things that distract you and create something perfect in the eyes of the universe. To stand like a blue flame in darkness beset all around by the winds of chaos and to not go out. To be the pilot light of creation upon which it turns. This is love of god. This is the god of love on Earth.
7 billions people on the planet and each of them can come up with a more or less sophisticated idea of what they think god is or isn't...not much to gain from that in terms of understanding reality
God suddenly appeared before me while I watched this video. He looked like a container of cleaning fluid. Oh wait, that was an advert...
Like Christopher Hitchens said - he _loves_ listening to believers talking about God because you never know what they are going to say next!
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Yeahcchhh-buginthroat, fundamentalists of every stripe have a need to decide, not just for themselves, for YOU also, that they 'know', & you don't.
I loved listening to Hitchens arguments but i think he was wrong on his hard line anti-theist stance, there's mystery to overcome there's so much we don't know or understand, nothing can be ruled out.
I have the actual truth, and I'll be glad to share it with you (for a fee), but that's the only way for you to achieve happiness.
@Stranger The words of an idiot.
Uh, OK. Try this one out for size, as yet another alternative view of God. "God" is what gives human life value. It gives the direction of life that leads to the most fulfillment. In the New Testament, it is said that "God is Love". That's abstract. But Christianity is also concrete. When you give a thirsty neighbor a glass of water, Jesus says, it is as if one has done it to him. People who have had NDE's also said that God doesn't care what you believe. All that matters is whether one has been loving, to oneself, to one's neighbors. Love and learn. That's most of what human life is about.
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The actual beliefs have varied throughout history, throughout time. They range from highly anthropomorphized (e.g. Old Testament) to more abstract and philosophical (e.g. Vedanta), based on what people are able to understand. But the moral core is always there. This also raises the question of transcendental values, such as the good, true, and beautiful (Platonism?). Also questions about teleology, or an attractor function in human evolution?
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As for a God that explains the universe, this is probably a lost cause. First, science is better at this than theology (or philosophy) will ever be. Mainly because we can come up with tons of ideas about things, and never resolve them. But science is the discipline that does the actual looking, measurement, experimentation, interaction in the world, to see what the real deal is. While not perfect, it is the closest we have to a true epistemological method.
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Second, a God as explainer of physical systems (e.g. "first mover"), doesn't really move people. So what? This is not a the level that ultimately matters to most people. The "God" that really fulfills, is at the level of the psyche. (Maybe I should invoke Jung? I also realize it renders some issues to orthogonality, as well as a kind of agnosticism to the larger questions pertaining to the origins of the universe.)
Jesus WAS God in a body.
man, what a crossover it would have been if Dr. Robert Lawrence Kuhn had a conversation with Art Bell..
@ about 10:40 the idea of God having a body. I ask . . . IF A BODY MEET A BODY COMING THROUGH THE RYE NEED A BODY KISS A BODY ???
God could be embodied on earth in humanity, in universe by life with conscious experience.
Remember Lawrence don't dichotomize reality (science and religion); the physical needs the metaphysical and vice versa. For example to produce human sentience it requires physical neurons resulting in the emotive feelings of one's Will (self-awareness, etc.) which cannot be explained exclusively by material properties themselves. Or, think of the properties of Time; what is time? Or mathematics, so on and so forth.
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God became man, so man could become God. And all the supper is coming from man. It has nothing to do with God. He's allowing you to experience yourself in a physical way in a dual. Distinct environment with good and bad. Happy sad up-and-down a lesson to be learned. But man has made man suffer
You've probably seen this before, but here goes anyhow:
My 'h' (might just be hunch) is that experience is conserved, collects and becomes agent in itself (little 'g' ontogeny). I suspect that space-time is flat and Einstein might've been closer to right than anyone thought. I suspect that all the rules, continuous or discrete, lead to complexity and experiencing animals like us. The purpose of which is to further collect and grow in strength and awareness.
This permits the ghastliest of evil along the way, along with everything else. But it favors the good and us wanting/trying to be better, especially if the collective agency of those choices like itself better because of those choices.
I kick around the idea that space-time is the carrier for conserved experience, but that's because I don't want to run with mass/gravity just yet and anything beyond is that much further beyond me.
Either way, I think it pays to remember that the paper isn't the story, the alphabet isn't the language.
Robert...give your brain a brake and comprehend that a real G-OD can not be wraped around by our brains.Never read a bible ? The old Testimony ? " My thoughts are not your thoughts and My dids are Not your dids"...
A comprehensible creator is not worth searching for...love your series though...❤
I know Gods are made up by my fellow humans ...good guess or wishful thinking ?
god was first discrete robot that was doing it's copies. World is something line algorithmic portal - self building robot
Hahaha! Scientific study of God: a mathematician studies an infinite sequence of Gods---converging Gods and diverging Gods; a computer scientist studies different versions of Gods---God 2.0, God 3.0; a biologist studies evolution of God---invertebrate God and vertebrate God.
Steinhart's view reminds me of David Ray Griffin's "God Exists but Gawd Does Not," only on his view it would be "Gods exist but POG does not."
Panentheism is closest to the Truth. The Divine is both immanent in creation and transcendent. The imminent Divine is contained within but evolving out of matter. There are 2 currents...involution (the Divine involving itself in matter) and evolution (the Divine evolving out of matter). There is a spark of the Divine inside every living Being. In humans, this Divine Spark is located deep inside the heart. It is possible to experience the Divine Source directly in meditation and in higher states of consciousness. I would encourage you to read Jung, Wilber, Washburn, and the mystics. People have been experiencing direct encounters with the Divine from the beginning. Myself included. That our Universe is 15 billion years old does not mean that the Divine is 15 billion year old. That is ridiculous. There are as many Universes as there are grains of sand.
Getting sloser to TRUTH must include women's voices, don't you think? I cannot believe that there weren't any women you cold have included.
God exists.
I would delete my writings if I feel there is no appreciation or curiosity. Or may decide to ignore writing in the first place. I do not write only to help others, as I live in this society. Yet my writings are about challenging, or I may have different theories or solutions to the question or statements of others.
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So ... any "alternatives" to unicorns? Pixies? Elves? What a ridiculous topic.
THE TRUTH IS WE ALL 👨👨👦 MUST 💔 BREAK IN ❤ AND 🙇 BOW OUT.AND THE GRACE OF GOD IS SUFICIENT. WETHER ITS AT HOME 🏡 AT WORK AT CHURCH ⛪ OR IN THE COMMUNITY. AND 👨👨👦 WHO 👀 SEES IT ❤EARLY ☀ SEES 👁🗨 REALITY 💔 .
What if we are the primordial god.. and that’s what makes god so big that he make himself become the lowest of them all. Also it’s what makes god so complex and unique, mysterious.
Yujin Nakasawa: "Theism provides a reason for the existence of the universe"
No, it doesn't. It can't do that if it doesn't demonstrate that the God of a particular theism exists and has influence. At best, theism provides a claim for the reason the universe exists.
Another interesting offering ruined by background music. Why do producers do this??
Pantheism has no real problem with the "age of God" if one focuses on the concept of "God" being the eternal, indestructible "energy" that is currently in the FORM of this universe as we know it.
These are more like: Kinds of gods, or ways of thinking about god. I expected this video to present alternative concepts of viewing the world without necessary invoking a god, any god at all. Pantheism is close to that, by identifying nature as god, but I think nature it self is the biggest thing in the universe or universes. What is wrong with thinking that nature's intelligence, with all its failures and successes is the ultimate cause for the universe and life, since its not perfect, and self learning as it flows here and there, its not omni potent, not perfect, not divine, it has no morals. Its a force of life, the will or desire to spawn life here and there, self discover and taste its own creation, view and live the universe trough endless creation and destruction. Nature Intelligence is the closest thing we have to a god. Gods are perfection, and perfection concept only lives and comes from the mind of Humans. Nature creates and destroy, its radical and crazy, and yet beautiful and awesome. Why all gods have to have some kind of moral rules book, or some moral authority, I see no evidence of morals in nature, nor in the rest of the universe, the duality god/moral authority always alert me thinking that good again is a human need concept that we humans desire, but really we don't see any evidence of that in nature. So why not accept nature and its intelligence as the closest thing we have to a "god" concept. We can't deny that nature is intelligent, but we can't say its equal to a god. There we are again, forcing the god concept, not letting go the talisman or amulet. Just like child that won't let go a dear toy that brings luck.
Pantheism does not have a problem regarding God’s age. The universe was not created out of nothing, but simply the inflation of the eternal singularity.
God is often believed to be the cause of all things and so is seen as the creator, sustainer, and ruler of the universe.
Maybe god decided this world/universe is what is desired.
It's gods all the way down.
God is not a concept, creatures. A creature is a subject of its creator and can never be objective.
You would have to be outside of the Universe and creation to have a subjective perspective, or outside of your own mind.
God is transcendent, beyond concept.
The wise refer to him as The All, the Unknowable.
The spark of life inside of you is the all pervading
(unmeasurable by gross human instruments) Spirit of the All, without which there is no consciousness.
The Myths of the ancient ancestors contain the esoteric keys and means towards remembering and applying these forgotten teachings to wake up from the deep sleep of the ego self and its fantasy world of delusions in which most of humanity is trapped.
You got a fundamental misunderstanding I forgot if you're assuming that when the Big Bang started he started. It's a basic fundamental flaw in your education if you believe that. It's a disappointment that the interviewer didn't catch that fail
Mr kuhn ıts just the way you pronounce some words And some letters intrigued me to write tp you there ıs something abouth you ı cant work ıt out yet good or bad. what ı wıll be suggesting you ıs to read Abrahams god last book revealed to humans by 1 and only omnipotent god and hıs last profit Muhammet sallalahu aleyhi vesselam called quran kerım read ıt my frıend from trusted translate lıke mr respectable prof doc mehmet okuyan ın the language you can understand and save you soul end ıs near my pal.! Ps what ıs so difficult to understand abouth that god can enter and leave the humanely tıme concept that you and me understand as ın ticking tıme sınce he or she ıs timeless and omnipotent can be able to do whatever feels lıke ıf ın anyway was strıckted ın certain boundaries wouldn't be supreme omnipotent 1 and only creator been would he or she ? Just doesnt make sense.
its hilarious how these people can speak about God in such a atheistic way that they have no direct spiritual experience but rather they are scholars who have read other people's spiritual experiences
POG lmao
Why does the entire World programmed to do good and expect to get good out of it? In other words, why is honesty, sincerity, kindness, sympathy, and the act of doing right things mostly show good results?? Why is all these good things connected to religion?? Your own existence and the rush within you to do the right thing in the right way with most of it ending up with good results is by itself evidence of the existence of God. On the other hand, doing wrong and always ending up with bad results is also a significant indication of the existence of God. This World is divided between Good and Bad and there is no room for frustrated Atheists'.
In one way or another these people seem to be looking for gaps in naturalistic understanding for their God to fit into. Why can't they just accept that "nobody knows"?
The endless debate continues. Fascinating
Repetitive!
God? god are creator is everything and everywhere, are creator is white energy I feel comfortable there, think as particle part of family white energy, darkness's the enemy ground we have noting to do there, we don't know what is that, we are in the middle of a big fight, in the material bothy life bourn by love between man and women, only between opposite sex even in ripe cases, here we can be litho gods we produce life, in big scale wen white energy enter in deep darkness is how the universe (life) bourn, the universe show me darkness is ageing as, but is obvios we have from darkness too, is the reason we don't get along but is a big possibility we will, I think the way to finning the true and are father is spirituality, think as particle as energy don't think as matter.stay in the bright side.
Whatever I think god is, god is not that
You've said the only thing I'm certain is true. I'd be an atheist if I had more faith.
God is not like us he's different and there's nothing like him. he created this life as a test for us. he allows suffering because it help us see things differently some people get better some people get worse and it's just a tool. but all of this won't be for nothing because he knows how to cure it as if it never was. maybe this temporary suffering saved you from a much painful path.
They can't ALL be right, BUT they ALL can be wrong? Best keave them to their own disagreement!
The most popular competing concept to god is more gods. Darwins natural selection does not compete with god but is the right answer.
God is everything perceived and beyond
There is nothing that is not God
If we think we have a distinct identity, it's our mistake. This mistake is the seed for evil.
God is simply the universe
The bottom line is that God, in whatever form, either exists or doesn't. What anybody thinks on the matter has no impact on the truth.
To half of America one alternative to god is Donald Trump!! lol It takes all kinds to make the world go around.
Pantheism does not need god to have an age. Perhaps the universe is on an infinite cycle. We simply do not know enough. Just saying.
I think if you can imagine God fully then he isn’t God. God is unimaginable and mysterious
Bunch of thoughtful people have alot of beliefs, then there's a bunch of commercials.
You should ask a Hindu about this and you may get a much better and logical answer.
God concept in Islam is clear. God is one. God need no help. God has no children or nor son of someone. You cannot imagine God.
Made me laugh... It's like being invited to a smogabord of Gods where none of the guests are sure whether any of the Gods are edible...
The idea of God and values being the fuel of reality isn't new.
Mind without brain, context, or provenance. But male.
Thank you very much Dr. Kuhn for exploring this aspect of "God"!!
@Stefano Portoghesi i think all of the answers lie within our beings. Questions that are asked are important to a greater understanding of why we are here, who we are and the meaning of it all.
I can only speak for myself in my undetstanding of a god. I dont like religion perse for myself, but dont fault anyone for their beleif in whatever, whoever keeps them within the bounds of their own sanity.
Some journeys take a group (religion), some are individual and some require seeking of knowledge over beleif. I think all 3 are very important to the person with whom these inquiries are pertinent.
These are all just stories
You are part of this story
If there is no human beings in the universe, can we still talk about god?
If you want to know God, you have to study his word and that is the Bible.
Why would we think because the universe started. that God started then?
There are a lot of “ifs” in any discussion about God. IF we were put here to reach some type of conclusion about God (even the conclusion that God isn’t real), then one inevitable conclusion is that our existence on this plane should be all that is necessary to reach any given conclusion. But what can we see here that would guide us to any conclusion(s) about God? Observations about patterns as a clue to either what God is or how IT operates.
The first conclusion is that evolution is a universal operation built into Reality. The Universe had a beginning and has evolved (and continues to evolve) to this day. Similarly, life on earth had a beginning and has evolved from simple to more complex organisms. Observations further reveal that, logically, anything that has a beginning must have an ending. The Universe had a beginning and entropy will one day (trillions of years from now) render it dead. The earth had a beginning and will one day have an ending. Individual life on earth has a beginning and an ending.
What other pattern about life could we draw as an inference about God? We are made of trillions of cells, yet we are one entity. Further, all of our body parts are either connected or regulated by our biological CPU (i.e. brain). Quantum entanglement indicates that on some level (that we don’t fully understand) the Universe is connected. Quantum Field Theory (QFT) posits all quantum particles arising from corresponding fields, just as waves arise from still water if energy exists to form them. Energy exists everywhere in the Universe and is neither created nor destroyed. If God is Intelligent Energy, IT can form complex physical structures from IT’s own Energy/Self as a pattern of IT’s own Being. So the Universe is an expression Of God, and all life is an expression of the pattern of God (many parts combined in One Being).
it's an interesting idea... does your thought experiment imply that god is a conscious willful cosmic organism? or entity I supose? I'm having trouble coming to the conclusion that under the presumption that things are connected, that this results in a rise or formation of consciousness or an organism.
GOD/imagination/delusion? Big business $$$$$$$. Chuckle
Have you noticed that God is very fond of lightning