After taking the egg I killed the lady and I'm about to finish the game and egg still is in Laezel's inventory. In my headcanon she will nurture it lmao. I didn't want to give the egg to lady because I thought something was fishy about her, plus the caretaker of egg trusted in me. I didn't want to betray
Getting this dialogue the first time broke my heart so bad because the "No one is born evil" option triggers a dialogue of his that goes something along the lines of "but if I wasn't evil and father didn't need to fix me, then why did he hurt me?" and I-
@@TheGhoul95 This isn't "generational trauma". This is literal emotional, mental, and physical abuse. Not only hyperspeeding his aging process that he is given no time to gain experience or understand what good and evil means. Ptaris is a poor child used and abused by someone ill fitted to raise a child.
It's still within that realm, trauma caused parent to child is still within the purvue of generational trauma, but it does tend to continue and repeat absent the effects of an outside force. This is merely the first transferrence, and if you don't intervene he would likely pass on such harms.
"I am not a Githyanki! I'm good! My mother and father were evil, so I purified them with torment!" Lae'zel: "that is literally the most gith thing I've ever heard come out of any gith's mouth"
Depends I suppose what his definition of torment is. If tormenting them would be the opposite of actual conventional torture and typical combat and such.
I wish I could invite the grown kid back to camp. Like imagine being a redeemed dark urge and showing this kid its not too late to overcome your past and change
@@Jonatron101 Leaving the egg in Lae'zel's inventory gives the child a better ending (assuming you also turn her against Vlaakith, and have her leave to fight for Githyank freedom). She'll raise the child as her own.
Their goals of raising a gith to be good were... admirable, they went about that in a way that involved chronomancy and massive amounts of abuse it seems... that is bad. Im going to keep my child in my backpack, and raise him myself.
Same with me. I romanced Wyll and befriended Lae'zel, so even should we split the party, I like to think that Lae'zel gave her blessings for my Tav and Wyll to raise the child, as long as it was taught to fight (by Wyll, my Tav is a cleric and a bad fighter). Perhaps they would visit this site to look for help on incubation and such, and maybe have to fight or argue with them to keep it so they wouldn't take it from them, but yeah, I like to think we could have done a decent job. Too bad it never came up again outside of this mini-quest, and possibly with the prince later on.
I wasn't going to steal the egg, but then when I talked to the creche egg watcher, it seemed he worried for the eggs safety if kept and his own if it didn't hatch. So I convinced him I would find somewhere better. I spoke to the woman again and it seemed she didnt know too much about how the experiment would actually go. So I spoke to the scientists myself and realized he actually had awful plans and kept the egg. I wish there was something else we could do if we went down this path.
It reminds me a lot of Pillars of Eternity’s quest line where you can decide to keep an orlan baby instead of handing them over to either religious fanatics who mean the baby no harm but are quite fanatical, or her family who wants to sacrifice her in a blood ritual. The baby is an item in your pouch and the game treats it like you’re carrying his on a sling on your back if you carry her around. I personally forgot I was still carrying the baby when I played the final mission and the end slide was like “and so you killed a near god…with a baby on you back.” And I was like, oops! Losing mom points for that. Something like that with the egg honestly would have been so cute and so much fun.
Yeah, it would be nice if you could give the egg to a Githzerai or something like that. I met the Hobgoblin and Omeluum in the underdark first, so I thought the group they belonged to seemed cool, but oh boy they were the outliers.
I really wished there was more to this questline. The society of brilliance was attempting borderline genocidal crimes for an experiment to get an answer to a question that they already had an answer for from the githserai.
ehhhhhhhh...not really. the Githzerai aren't as openly agressive as the Githyanki, but they are NOT "good Githyanki" Point of fact, thier leader is running the exact same scam Vlaketh is. They are simply the Vulcans to the Githyanki Romulans....much more orderly and controlled, not as agressively expansionist...but they're a great example of "Lawful does not mean NICE." and when one of their Monastaries manifest in the Prime material..it literally sucks the life out of the surrounding lasndscape until thier purpose for being there is completed and they depart back to Limbo.
To be fair it's weird how the githzerai weren't mentioned at all. Though the gith monks we do meet kind of imply githzerai instead of githyanki. Especially since we meet them in that specific area, defending that specific person.
@@alexsolomon8127 I don't really think that's a fair assessment of the Githzerai leader. Vlaakith is a lying, scheming tyrant trying to manipulate the course of her peoples' history to achieve goodhood whereas Zaerith is kinda just a psionic Buddha mummy that takes a much less active role. The simple fact that they're both immortal leaders doesn't make them the same and the cultures they helm couldn't be more different in their goals.
@@jurillemarcchan2924you actually do get to talk to a githzerai, kind of. Spoilers, obvi: This is in the mind flayer hive under Moonrise. In the necromancy room, you complete the brain puzzle to unlock the door where the wheel of the grand design is. On the ground, there is a brain in a jar. You can pick it up, take it to the other corner of the room where there's the device that lets you talk to these brains. That one is a githzerai brain, and if you talk to it, you can even get a perma-buff.
I mean I did it after the underdark so after seeing a hobgoblin and mindflayer being with them living pretty well and accepted not to mention that i... Killed all the gith in the creche lil
"Scientists" Wdym you actually have no way of knowing how they were going to raise the kid. All you get is that they want to remove the kid from the brutal gith culture and raise it in a "normal" good environment. Ester never said that the kid will be abused.
@@Hey1234Hey yeah, this lady didn't exactly pass vibe check. She is a racist and and speaking about kidnaping a child from his family. I get that gityanki aren't cuddliest of parents, their culture is pretty brutal, but this lady never looks as better alternative, at least for me. I beat the game three times, and my most peaceful character told her to f off, gityanki sorcerer just turned her into pile of ash for even suggesting this nonsense 😂
@@tj3603What did she say that was racist? The gith are a brutal culture and the do not like other mortal races. They see themselves as better. Seeing as this order already had a mind flayed and hobgoblin getting along with everyone it seemed like a good idea to me.
I didn't give the egg to that suspicious lady in act1. In the Act3, I tried to directly give the egg to those guys, but from the conversation, I realized that they were just a bunch of radical jerks. In the end, I chose not to hand over the egg. In my imagination, giving the egg to Lae'zel might be the best outcome
Yes, she has to have the egg in her inventory when the battle happens and she ends up raising it herself or giving the baby to monks, in both cases she wants him to be free and choose himself what he will become
He will habe a happy Ending now if you just keep the egg. I had it stored in Lae'zels inventory till the end and at the Epilogue Party I could ask her about it and she said it had hatched and is taken good cared for. I was a Githyanki Tav. So dunno if it happens if you are a non Gith.
I didn't get that dialogue. But I also killed Orpheus and had to convince Lae'zel to stay after the fight. And she only had one line in the epilogue about having found friends she could trust in her life away from Vlaakith and Orpheus.
"You're half-right. I am not a bad person, but I AM a bad father. But there is still time to change that. Join me, Ptaris! Join me on my adventures as I... as WE strive to do as much good as we can for the world!"
He’s not wrong accusing the main character since they are the one who sold him to the society when he was an egg. The player is the one that should ask forgiveness for selling him.
In my game, I had Lae'zel talk to the guy at the creche and offer to take the egg. Now, she has it and I imagine that after the end of the game, maybe the egg will hatch and she'll raise him as her own and have him be the namesake of Orpheus (or maybe the egg doesn't hatch with us during the game so Orpheus can reincarnate!?)... and together they'll defeat Vlaakith. Especially after hearing Lae'zel's reaction to meeting Jaheira's kids, I think she'd be interested in having a family of her own.
Wow i got the wrong conclusion from this. I thought that the gith were violent no matter what. When in fact, the guy from the Society actually abused the gith. No wonder he went crazy and killed everybody. Good thing i didnt kill him in the end
After so many generations of living in a militaristic society and under the heel of a brutal undead queen, it's likely that the githyanki have strong inclinations towards evil (more pacifistic and gentle gith were likely killed off or not allowed to reproduce), much like other traditional evil races like the drow and the orcs. That said, they are still mortal creatures, and the blessing/curse of mortals is that they all have the choice to determine what path their life will take. It may be harder for one born into those races/societies to turn away from Evil, but it can be done.
Fun fact. The Githzerai are one of the 2 Gith races. They split off from the Githyanki after the first war against the mindflayers as they opposed their increasing militarism. Despite being biologically one people, the Githzerai are a mostly pacifist (they fight in self defense sometimes but otherwise stick to their monasteries and prefer to remain isolated), lawful neutral, clerical people. So yeah, the experiment wasn't just evil it was also needless as we have solid proof Gith can be peaceful. Half of them already are.
Not exactly went crazy but they implanted him with a ruthless justice code, magically aged him and abused him through the experiment. So he logically concluded they were being evil towards him and deserved to die. If you think about it he had the body and brain of a youth but didn't have life experiences beyond the lab (low wisdom maybe?).
In the Act 2 in the Creche, there is 1 Gith teen that is being abused by their military trainer for questioning too much and for not liking what they do. If you convince the trainer to stop and talk to the Gith teen, he will tell you that he questions the way his race do things to their enemies, being violent at every corner, and killing everything even when their enemies would surrender. Even before the egg hatching, that Gith teen proved that not all Gith are violent, their ethics, cultures, and morales led them. Heck, I'd wager it's very likely Vlaakith's influence that made them that way, since Orpheus isn't as violent as the others (albeit very stern and serious)
I was really worried that Larian were about to suggest that violence and brutality is a genetic thing that can't be undone. I know it's a fantasy world but that's an age old belief about black and Indigenous people who have mixed ancestry. "You can't trust them... they're part savage." It actually seems like the boy is just a boy, and they magically forced him to age too fast for convenience (so he missed all of that childhood emotional development?) then taught him black and white morality without any nuance. Emotionally stunted, black and white thinking... of course the logical end of that is an executioner, regardless of race.
He mentioned the Ptarian code. It's a code written by Ptarius the claw, a gold dragon and advisor to Bahamut himself. Ptarius was known for his... direct approach.
If you get a chance, you should go to the Society if you refuse to get Esther the egg and meet the guy actually running the experiment. He's absolutely horrible and blatant about what he's gonna do, and will say that if the kid doesn't "work out" he'll dispose of him.
I was surprised when I saw the egg to have grown this old and powerful by act 3 and honestly it was a bit ironic because in the creche they said they would destroy any eggs that were hatched late as it would likely be born weak, which turned to be wrong. Ptaris is considered to be a prodigy on his character UI and if you think about it, the society sped up his aging so he pretty much became this powerful within a little amount of time
@@HadeshyLae'zel is actually the youngest companion since Gith mature faster. I believe she's roughly 18-21 based on the fact that while she is an adult, she's still considered young by her people's standards. The one in the video is likely also a late teen in age and not fully grown. They live the same time as humans but don't age in the astral sea so they could realistically live forever if they don't die in battle so since Lae'zel hasn't hunter her first mind flayer, it's likely she just became an adult recently since the eggs are hatched and raised in other planes so they can age properly.
The Ptarian code:Justice and Good above all Honor and Fealty to the King. Honor and Respect to Righteous Innocence. Honor and Duty to the Balancer (Kelemvor), to His Mercy (Ilmater), and to the Justicemaker (Bahamut). Honor and Protection to the Lesser Races. Honor and Correction to the Enemies of Justice and Good. Honor and Forbearance for oneself. Only the most zealous of gold dragins an paladins follow the code. Poor kid 😢.
Dude is no joke of a fight. Even if you jump him while his is contemplating what he has done, he can easily take out your whole group. He is resilient or immune to all forms of damage and creates clones on hit. He and his clone's opportunity attacks are like 40+.
Laezel’s dialogue at the very last camp party, talking about how she raised the Gith and named him Xan is too precious, I’ll always give the egg to Lae’zel.
I remember the first time I encountered the egg quest. My paladin of devotion had been to the underdark and met the Hobgoblin and Omeluum down there and got along with them great, so the idea of the Society trying to see if Githyanki are a case of nature vs nurture wasn't insane to him... through personally he was automatically on the side that no one was born evil and nurture always won out. However, he didn't accept the questline. In part this was because he was in a relationship with Lae'zel, but it was also because abducting a child seemed terrible. When he went in and discovered that the egg was a late hatch and people in power wanted it dead, he promised to raise the child as his own flesh and blood before taking it. However, what stopped him from handing it over to Lady Esher was a combination of sorts. He didn't know who was getting the egg in the end, but also Lady Esher herself. What cemented it was Esher saying that she personally believed that nature would win out and thought doing this experiment was stupid because of it. This was not a woman I wanted anywhere near this child.
What I got from this whole arc is that githyankis are not good or evil. They just have a natural tendency to be practical, objective and logic, and that works perfectly in a militaristic society. Subjective things like morality don’t come naturally to them and can even seem nonsensical, because it is so fluid and “illogical”. Ptaris could’ve been brought up in a créche and he would hold the same beliefs as the rest of the créche and be content with it. Githyankis are practical and objective by nature, not evil. Which is why Lae’Zel can be convinced of almost anything, as long as it’s the practical, most reasonable path. Since Ptaris was brought up by moralists and taught moralist ideas, it became his doctrine. But since morals are subjective, he twisted it into something practical and logical in order to make sense of it. This is great writing. Prime example of “show, don’t tell”.
A militaristic society of sociopathic fanatics that committed countless genocide, believe themselves to be the superior race, that murder their own young’s for questioning their elders and committed genocide on a portion of their own people because they rejected their militaristic philosophy. Let’s not sugarcoat them. They are not hated without reason.
I think best scenario was killing everyone in the creche except the egg tender just knocked him out and left the egg on him. I like to think that when he wakes up he will take care of the egg now that they arent being threatened.
That's actually the worst case scenario for him. The "threat" in this case was an inquisitor, who isn't apart of that creche. They're like auditors. They get sent around to multiple creche to inspect them, so one being dead doesn't mean there won't be more in the future. The inquisitor was coming to inspect the creche and if she saw that egg unhatched while all the other youths were walking about, he was gonna have to destroy it. The caretaker, being a late bloomer himself, didn't want to give up hope because he was spared by the patience of his caretaker; that's why he was worried. Now, imagine your scenario: he wakes up to find that he and that unhatched egg are the only things still not a bloody mess in his creche after outsiders, particularly non-Gith mortals, showed up and killed off everyone. A man who was seen as too weak to hatch on time will then be seen as a man who was too weak to hatch on time AND fight off a handful of (supposedly) inferior creatures. He got ambushed and knocked out while everyone else fought the intruders fiercely and died. Regardless of the outcome, more inquisitors would still come and he can't run away (Githyanki can track each other through the astral plane and Vlaakith would have seen it all). Your scenario would literally be a signed and stamped death sentence, express air-mailed to that man's location in 1 hour or less.
@@thaddeusmarcuscheeleyjr.786 god so nihilistic. you are probably the same type of person that thinks releasing a thousand starving vampire spawn into the underdark is a bad idea. look I have MY weird best case scenarios you have yours. in the end there is no use for the game if you dont turn it in and none of these characters are seen again so I will live secure in my idea that egg tender and egg will run off into the wilds and be happy together.
I mean I was just defending my opinion about what to do with a nearly useless in game item. this is the comments section not the everyone needs to agree with me section i can accept that my dumb head cannon is open to critique. I can also disagree with a comment on my own comment and defend it. what you have done is add nothing of any value to the topic of what to do with a fictional alien elf egg. Instead you wasted my time with a youtube notification trying to chide me about a comment i made in the comments section where people comment their dumb opinions on things as if it was a new revelation to me that other people may disagree with me on the internet.
Honestly, I turned down thew quest initially, but after killing all the Githyanki (had to escape after defying their queen) I figured - what the heck, at least they’ll have a chance to survive, and the society people seem nice! (I went a roundabout way and found the Mind Flayer in the Underdark first so I figured they were all similarly generous) … *Oh how I came to regret that notion* .
Yea that quest isint set up very well. First time i gave her the egg and that was that i never came back to see it killed her which means the quest didnt continue and i didnt get to see him in the city. The second time playing i decided to keep the egg because some of the diologe implies you can riase him yourself. Well you cant and the thing will just sit in your inventory and it wieghs a ton.
its because it takes a long time to hatch. Normally githyanki are raised in the astral sea where time passes differently, so I assume the society of brilliance does something similar.
The best thing to do is give the egg to Lae’zell and have her keep it throughout the game. At the end during the reunion she said she is basically raising home to be whatever he wants. And if you romanced her she says something along the lines of “our child”.
I really wish you could've brought him with you as a companion or an ally in the final fight or something. Just leaving him to lament his crimes after convincing him he was wrong ends up feeling like something's missing. Have him fight the good fight as a way of redeeming himself.
He could go and become a hero fighting alongside Laezel and Orpheus against Vlaakith (especially since he's probably the only githyanki who has no idea who she even is)
Larian adding nier as a companion, making this guy hatchable by la'zel/party, the slime being a pet would be great features in a future dlc. The only problem i see with nire and the gyth egg is that theyd need to edit the endings unless they add an act 4
I kinda disappointed that the developer only had two choice for what to do to with the egg: don't steal it and let it die on creche, or steal it and sold it to the woman. I want to hatch the egg myself, be the father of the githyanki kid (and Lae'zel be the mother!!!). Too bad the developer didn't give us that choice. I will never give the egg to that woman if the outcome is like this. Better keep it in my bag even if the egg didn't hatch.
Stole egg, turned in the quest to the lady. Stole the egg from the lady. Now have a Gith egg, and an Owlbear egg. BG 3 13-20 expac needs a way to hatch them. Then let me ride my grown owlbear while the Gith rides the other one.
Tbh I kept the egg in hopes that maybe we could hatch it. Oh well. Astarion is probably having the time of his life with my Bard Tav adopting every single stray that she finds, lol. He is probably facepalming at the corner as my Tav is coming with something new and is like, "Can we keep this one too? Pleaaaase? Pretty please with sweetrolls on top???"
My bard Tav is the same lmao, Astarion's just there like 'ah yes, me, my boyfriend, and the two orphaned children, dog, three cats, owlbear cub, intellect devourer and githyanki egg he's adopted on his journey-' and if he doesn't put his foot down, there'll be a lot more adoptions coming-
@@Jinxprincess13 I get so incredibly happy when I see other people ship their Bard Tav's with Astarion too, lol. It's the best and most chaotic couple in my opinion, I love it, haha. 🤣❤️
God... I never gave the egg to the Society of Brillance and I never saw this cutscene, but this outcome hits very close if you have a redeemed Durge; "Father saved me. I was nasty, evil thing, but his treatments made me good. I - I am cured" this hits specially close to a redeemed Durge knowing that before joining the Temple of Bhaal they tried to fight their urges, and Bhaal has always used these Urges to control and punish Durge when he failed or dissapointed him, that probably, after joining the Temple, Durge found he was no longer "broken". Many Durge dialogue options also deal with extreme self-loathing and self-hatred, even the things Durge says while walking "Wretched thing! Pull yourself together!" are a precise indicative that a good Durge hates themself for having these violent impulses. Durge has a deep sense of feeling they're broken or different, things that are deeply familiar to Ptaris.
You can even say that you hate yourself to that rude cat in act 3 😢. Only durge can say it. Also they only had their weird butler to make sure that they were kept in line. He even says that without him you would “go astray”.
@@sharpasacueball there will be no massacre in the society of brilliance, and if asked about gith egg one of them would mention that their contact was proven unreliable and they will not give her tasks anymore.
@sonnguyen-ul7gz that's not what happens - the owlbear pet is a totally different thing - going to owlbear cave, killing mom, leaving kid alive, going to goblin camp, playing chicken chasing, letting the owlbear smell your hand, getting the goblin to let the owlbear go. The owlbear egg is in no way related
I wish there was something you could do for him instead of just leaving him in the building (if you manage not to fight him). You should be able to take him back to camp and try to help him or take to Voss. If you have Lae'zel maybe she can work with him. Samething with Yenna (what happens to her if she survives). She needs a little ending or at least a note saying thank you for taking care of her.
Larian casually dropping a quest teaching why eugenistic was bad and how science can be corrupted when you try to create a perfect individual. Those guys weren't even working for a dictator XD.
This is not eugenics tho. This is kind of the opposite of eugenics. One is biologically changing a race, claiming that a race has biological superiority or one is inherently good/evil. This guy's were arguing that the race did not matter but the social circumstances around the child. That an evil race could be raised to be good. And in this case they were proven wrong. If you exclude the fact that "stealing" him from his parents/society and forcing him to grow in a time loop may have been the circumstances that turned him into a maniac.
ColonelBragg is correct. This is not eugenics (which is still bad and wouldn't work anyways) but it *_IS_* a great example of how science must not be divorced from ethics. And also of how beginning with a faulty assumption (Gith are born evil) will inevitably lead to disastrous results (A Gith being abused to the point that he goes nuts and murders people based on the faulty ideas forced into his head)
It's a common mad scientist depiction, it's probably what happens when you do research with no ethical concerns and no standard guidelines. You just let your confirmation bias run wild.
In just a few lines this kid was the most insightful Githyanki you ever meet. He is able to see past his extremist upbringing, critique his own code, and feel genuine remorse for immoral behavior.
Oh thanks, now i dont feel bad about cutting down that women the moment she spoke of stealing a gith baby. Now i will feel glee when i cut her down the second time.
As someone who was adopted into an abusive family to save her from my biological parents' alleged sinful natures, this comments section is making me want to reroll as Dark Urge IRL.
Ignore them, 90% of people in the internet seem to be apathic, cold or simply stupid. And resiste the Dark Urge, be good to yourself and to others, be better than them.
You born yesterday? Internet is ruthless Here an example Go dark urge irl, i wanna see "baldurs gate 3 player thinking they baal spawn, stomping entire squirel population" in headline
The fantasy space frog lich worshipers aren’t people, but you are. Its just a game. Don’t let it bother you. Sorry you had a rough upbringing. Be good, love yourself, and surround yourself with other good people.
agreed, it's definitely giving me bad vibes at least. reminds me of how historically, colonists would adopt indigenous children in an attempt to "civilise" them, but also it was to aid in genocide. this questline rings so many alarm bells.
"I'm good at being bad. Does that count?" I'm still mad at myself for not picking that dialogue-option.. :D This whole quest really pissed me off. Never even realized it existed during my first run, so I didn't even start it. Second run I did complete it, only to find out it has some very annoying consequences later on when you get to Baldur's Gate.
I dont understand how he is a teenager so quickly. Do githyanki age faster? Or did the society use chronomancy to speed up his aging? The owlbear cub is still a cub so why did he go from egg to an adolecent in at most a month
I turned the Egg myself into the Society contact and he mentioned he was going to try and speed up the aging. I'm assuming if you give the egg to Esther (I think is her name?) you maybe don't get that dialogue.
@@tylorjohnsman6197 Judging by the dialogue a lot of time has passed for this guy so it still doesn't make sense. Is the portal a time portal or something
@@michelleong2762 that's probably why he was too dogmatic with the code thing. They made him grow up too fast and he couldn't have a childhood to make him naturally learn morals
I don't understand why it was necessary to steal an egg when there was already a githyanki pacifist in the camp. Why couldn't he somehow be persuaded to come with us to find another life in Faerun without wars and bloodshed? Or tell this woman that we will find a better home for the baby, and find other parents for the baby. But maybe this is such an irony from Larian? - Even someone who grew up in a paramilitary society can become a pacifist and want to be kind - And the one who was meant to be raised as kind became a monster.🤔
Going off what Esther tells us, they specifically want to prove that gith aren’t born evil. An adult gith being good doesn’t necessarily prove that, because they could have just become good over time. Though their experiment sucked from how the kid describes it, because their idea of ‘proving he wasn’t born evil’ was to rigorously drill a black and white moral code in him to the point he snapped and killed then all.
Interesting thing about the Vulcan hand gesture, too: It started when Nimoy brought that from his Judaic background, after he was given permission by the folx running the show. Nimoy mentioned how he remembered it from a specific prayer event, when he was a kid, and he recalled how much of a beautiful spiritual moment it was for him. Even as someone who doesn't practice any particular religion, I find it really fascinating and wholesome. 🤍
Everybody down here is talking about space frog abuse and how much thought they put into this decision. And i’m just scrolling through as a rogue who sold this egg i looted off the angry green men i found under the kobold hentai artist party. Turns out it grew up to be an angry green man too. Wild.
@@PerfectParadoxGithyanki don't really have biological fathers since the egg-laying is an asexual proccess that they invented after Vlakiith took over. The guy was simply a nurse/egg-tender
Oh interesting. I just gave the woman the owlbear egg from act 1. It seems the Society of Brilliance dies regardless of what egg you give them, as if you give them the owlbear egg the owlbear will kill them as well.
i knew what would happen if I gave them the egg..... so i gave it to them for the money, and then pickpocketed the egg back because they not fucking up this poor child. nope.
damn, I found him without Lae'Zel and looked for a video like that to see if she said anything here, and I'm disappointed I also chose all the same dialogue options!
well that's horrible, i'm glad i give the lady the owl bear egg every time. i will continue to headcanon that my gith son hatched in camp and i raised him with the company of the others and as many animals as we could find
He doesn't kill blurg or omeluum, however they also won't be I'm act 3 if you give the society the egg. If you give them the egg you'll find a letter from blurg and omeluum about soft accepting the invitation to the society but not them! They will have not made it to the society yet, presumably because the correspondence stops (by courtesy of the society members being dead I presume)
2:00 am I going crazy or are the subtitles not matching the dialogue? Not gonna lie, it’s kind of creeping me out… makes it feel more real, like breaking the fourth wall, not following what’s supposed to be said.
i didnt give the egg cuz i thought we could hatch it in camp :'D i also kept it in my inventory all the time cuz i thought of it like a chicken egg and the body warmth would incubate it...... 😂😂 so im bringing it along on my adventures, killing a bunch of people with the egg stashed along with the rest of the garbage and quest items i accumulate :'D
This is why I gave the egg to Lae'zel. If she takes it and yurns her back on Vlaakith she names him Xen (I think) which means freedom and raises him to be whoever he wants to be. And she raises him with love. If you talk to Lae'zel in the epilogue she talks abojt how happy she is with him in her life.
Actually if you romance her and convince her to stay you both wonder around faerun killing vlaakith's forces, raising your adopted kid together, and generally just being a happy family. Hers is one of the most wholesome endings for romance
@brendanmuller7301 It used to be! But as of the most recent update, it doesn't matter. As long as you romance her you can go with her, now. Which is why I am going to go back and replay her romance now, so I may soar off with her
God damnit. I went to the astral plane before i went anywhere else from r some reason so i had to fight my way to the purifier thingy. Everyone else was dead so i figured whats the harm. This is the harm :'(
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i hate that you can't just hatch him yourself and have a lil githyanki running around your camp, potentially driving Lae'zel crazy 😭
Or Withers
I promised I was going to raise him myself and that's just what I'm going to do.
Modders: Take my time
After taking the egg I killed the lady and I'm about to finish the game and egg still is in Laezel's inventory. In my headcanon she will nurture it lmao. I didn't want to give the egg to lady because I thought something was fishy about her, plus the caretaker of egg trusted in me. I didn't want to betray
My heart 😭😂
Getting this dialogue the first time broke my heart so bad because the "No one is born evil" option triggers a dialogue of his that goes something along the lines of "but if I wasn't evil and father didn't need to fix me, then why did he hurt me?" and I-
A lesson on generational trauma
@@TheGhoul95
This isn't "generational trauma". This is literal emotional, mental, and physical abuse. Not only hyperspeeding his aging process that he is given no time to gain experience or understand what good and evil means. Ptaris is a poor child used and abused by someone ill fitted to raise a child.
@@Polomance862
Generational trauma often includes emotional, physical, and mental abuse.
@@mr.dantastic5073this isn't generational, it's generational if this child continues on and abuses his future child.
It's still within that realm, trauma caused parent to child is still within the purvue of generational trauma, but it does tend to continue and repeat absent the effects of an outside force. This is merely the first transferrence, and if you don't intervene he would likely pass on such harms.
"I am not a Githyanki! I'm good! My mother and father were evil, so I purified them with torment!"
Lae'zel: "that is literally the most gith thing I've ever heard come out of any gith's mouth"
Lea'zel: ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
Lae'zel: "Whats this? Pride in someone else... unfortunately it's overshadowed by ALL THIS UNYIELDING RAGE!!"
@@dr.calibrations7984…nice shirt.
Depends I suppose what his definition of torment is. If tormenting them would be the opposite of actual conventional torture and typical combat and such.
@@blak3brutus229 Pink is a good color on you
I wish I could invite the grown kid back to camp. Like imagine being a redeemed dark urge and showing this kid its not too late to overcome your past and change
Yeah it feels like a really imcomplete plotline. You either execute him or you're like uhhhh that's bad mkay and that's it.
Ditto
A Dragonborn outright teaches him Bahamut’s tenants. Still feels strange to just leave him there.
@@Jonatron101 Leaving the egg in Lae'zel's inventory gives the child a better ending (assuming you also turn her against Vlaakith, and have her leave to fight for Githyank freedom). She'll raise the child as her own.
BG3 part 2
Their goals of raising a gith to be good were... admirable, they went about that in a way that involved chronomancy and massive amounts of abuse it seems... that is bad.
Im going to keep my child in my backpack, and raise him myself.
Why am I not surprised that they were going to abuse this poor alien fucker in the name of "good"
Egg doesn't hatch unfortunately
congrats, ur now a daddy
that you know of. also, just because it doesn't hatch in game doesn't mean you can't make it head canon.@@foggoblin323
Same with me. I romanced Wyll and befriended Lae'zel, so even should we split the party, I like to think that Lae'zel gave her blessings for my Tav and Wyll to raise the child, as long as it was taught to fight (by Wyll, my Tav is a cleric and a bad fighter). Perhaps they would visit this site to look for help on incubation and such, and maybe have to fight or argue with them to keep it so they wouldn't take it from them, but yeah, I like to think we could have done a decent job. Too bad it never came up again outside of this mini-quest, and possibly with the prince later on.
I wasn't going to steal the egg, but then when I talked to the creche egg watcher, it seemed he worried for the eggs safety if kept and his own if it didn't hatch. So I convinced him I would find somewhere better. I spoke to the woman again and it seemed she didnt know too much about how the experiment would actually go. So I spoke to the scientists myself and realized he actually had awful plans and kept the egg. I wish there was something else we could do if we went down this path.
I handed her the egg with a hope for good... turns out that the hope was dashed.
If only he was the the first of the githzerai.
It reminds me a lot of Pillars of Eternity’s quest line where you can decide to keep an orlan baby instead of handing them over to either religious fanatics who mean the baby no harm but are quite fanatical, or her family who wants to sacrifice her in a blood ritual.
The baby is an item in your pouch and the game treats it like you’re carrying his on a sling on your back if you carry her around.
I personally forgot I was still carrying the baby when I played the final mission and the end slide was like “and so you killed a near god…with a baby on you back.” And I was like, oops! Losing mom points for that.
Something like that with the egg honestly would have been so cute and so much fun.
Yeah, it would be nice if you could give the egg to a Githzerai or something like that.
I met the Hobgoblin and Omeluum in the underdark first, so I thought the group they belonged to seemed cool, but oh boy they were the outliers.
@@lumberlucYou can actually speak to a Githzerai in act 2, but they are dead. R.I.P.
@@mickymcbryan4814
LOL, that’s hilarious that it acknowledged the baby!
I really wished there was more to this questline. The society of brilliance was attempting borderline genocidal crimes for an experiment to get an answer to a question that they already had an answer for from the githserai.
ehhhhhhhh...not really. the Githzerai aren't as openly agressive as the Githyanki, but they are NOT "good Githyanki" Point of fact, thier leader is running the exact same scam Vlaketh is. They are simply the Vulcans to the Githyanki Romulans....much more orderly and controlled, not as agressively expansionist...but they're a great example of "Lawful does not mean NICE." and when one of their Monastaries manifest in the Prime material..it literally sucks the life out of the surrounding lasndscape until thier purpose for being there is completed and they depart back to Limbo.
To be fair it's weird how the githzerai weren't mentioned at all.
Though the gith monks we do meet kind of imply githzerai instead of githyanki. Especially since we meet them in that specific area, defending that specific person.
@@alexsolomon8127 I don't really think that's a fair assessment of the Githzerai leader. Vlaakith is a lying, scheming tyrant trying to manipulate the course of her peoples' history to achieve goodhood whereas Zaerith is kinda just a psionic Buddha mummy that takes a much less active role. The simple fact that they're both immortal leaders doesn't make them the same and the cultures they helm couldn't be more different in their goals.
@@Forgenshoot they both kill thier followers when they get too powerful/threaten thier standing.
@@jurillemarcchan2924you actually do get to talk to a githzerai, kind of. Spoilers, obvi: This is in the mind flayer hive under Moonrise. In the necromancy room, you complete the brain puzzle to unlock the door where the wheel of the grand design is. On the ground, there is a brain in a jar. You can pick it up, take it to the other corner of the room where there's the device that lets you talk to these brains. That one is a githzerai brain, and if you talk to it, you can even get a perma-buff.
Gosh, who thought that kidnaping a kid and giving it ti scientist for experimentation going to end in disaster.
I mean I did it after the underdark so after seeing a hobgoblin and mindflayer being with them living pretty well and accepted not to mention that i...
Killed all the gith in the creche lil
"Scientists" Wdym you actually have no way of knowing how they were going to raise the kid. All you get is that they want to remove the kid from the brutal gith culture and raise it in a "normal" good environment. Ester never said that the kid will be abused.
Let's do it again, second time is the charm.
@@Hey1234Hey yeah, this lady didn't exactly pass vibe check. She is a racist and and speaking about kidnaping a child from his family. I get that gityanki aren't cuddliest of parents, their culture is pretty brutal, but this lady never looks as better alternative, at least for me. I beat the game three times, and my most peaceful character told her to f off, gityanki sorcerer just turned her into pile of ash for even suggesting this nonsense 😂
@@tj3603What did she say that was racist? The gith are a brutal culture and the do not like other mortal races. They see themselves as better. Seeing as this order already had a mind flayed and hobgoblin getting along with everyone it seemed like a good idea to me.
I didn't give the egg to that suspicious lady in act1. In the Act3, I tried to directly give the egg to those guys, but from the conversation, I realized that they were just a bunch of radical jerks. In the end, I chose not to hand over the egg. In my imagination, giving the egg to Lae'zel might be the best outcome
giving it to lazeal is actually the best outcome! she raises him as her son after recent patches
Yes, she has to have the egg in her inventory when the battle happens and she ends up raising it herself or giving the baby to monks, in both cases she wants him to be free and choose himself what he will become
He will habe a happy Ending now if you just keep the egg. I had it stored in Lae'zels inventory till the end and at the Epilogue Party I could ask her about it and she said it had hatched and is taken good cared for. I was a Githyanki Tav. So dunno if it happens if you are a non Gith.
Same happened for me and I was a tiefling 👍🏻
It happens for non-gith characters, too.
I didn't get that dialogue. But I also killed Orpheus and had to convince Lae'zel to stay after the fight. And she only had one line in the epilogue about having found friends she could trust in her life away from Vlaakith and Orpheus.
Bro id adopt this guy right here. Id put my own words to action and forgive him with a hug. Like a TRUE father would....
"You're half-right. I am not a bad person, but I AM a bad father. But there is still time to change that. Join me, Ptaris! Join me on my adventures as I... as WE strive to do as much good as we can for the world!"
@@Zaxares .o.
He’s not wrong accusing the main character since they are the one who sold him to the society when he was an egg. The player is the one that should ask forgiveness for selling him.
In my game, I had Lae'zel talk to the guy at the creche and offer to take the egg. Now, she has it and I imagine that after the end of the game, maybe the egg will hatch and she'll raise him as her own and have him be the namesake of Orpheus (or maybe the egg doesn't hatch with us during the game so Orpheus can reincarnate!?)... and together they'll defeat Vlaakith. Especially after hearing Lae'zel's reaction to meeting Jaheira's kids, I think she'd be interested in having a family of her own.
Oh wow, I thought that was just a throwaway quest! I'm shocked this quest had a follow up! :O
same wtf i missed so much
I still carry that egg around since I killed the woman for suggesting to steal an egg (after which I stole it)
FYI this game has almost no "throwaway" quests
That's like almost every quest in the game, if not all. Every quest always leads to their respective conclusions, or epilogue if you can call it that.
Wow i got the wrong conclusion from this. I thought that the gith were violent no matter what. When in fact, the guy from the Society actually abused the gith. No wonder he went crazy and killed everybody. Good thing i didnt kill him in the end
After so many generations of living in a militaristic society and under the heel of a brutal undead queen, it's likely that the githyanki have strong inclinations towards evil (more pacifistic and gentle gith were likely killed off or not allowed to reproduce), much like other traditional evil races like the drow and the orcs. That said, they are still mortal creatures, and the blessing/curse of mortals is that they all have the choice to determine what path their life will take. It may be harder for one born into those races/societies to turn away from Evil, but it can be done.
Fun fact. The Githzerai are one of the 2 Gith races. They split off from the Githyanki after the first war against the mindflayers as they opposed their increasing militarism. Despite being biologically one people, the Githzerai are a mostly pacifist (they fight in self defense sometimes but otherwise stick to their monasteries and prefer to remain isolated), lawful neutral, clerical people.
So yeah, the experiment wasn't just evil it was also needless as we have solid proof Gith can be peaceful. Half of them already are.
Not exactly went crazy but they implanted him with a ruthless justice code, magically aged him and abused him through the experiment. So he logically concluded they were being evil towards him and deserved to die. If you think about it he had the body and brain of a youth but didn't have life experiences beyond the lab (low wisdom maybe?).
In the Act 2 in the Creche, there is 1 Gith teen that is being abused by their military trainer for questioning too much and for not liking what they do. If you convince the trainer to stop and talk to the Gith teen, he will tell you that he questions the way his race do things to their enemies, being violent at every corner, and killing everything even when their enemies would surrender.
Even before the egg hatching, that Gith teen proved that not all Gith are violent, their ethics, cultures, and morales led them. Heck, I'd wager it's very likely Vlaakith's influence that made them that way, since Orpheus isn't as violent as the others (albeit very stern and serious)
I was really worried that Larian were about to suggest that violence and brutality is a genetic thing that can't be undone. I know it's a fantasy world but that's an age old belief about black and Indigenous people who have mixed ancestry. "You can't trust them... they're part savage."
It actually seems like the boy is just a boy, and they magically forced him to age too fast for convenience (so he missed all of that childhood emotional development?) then taught him black and white morality without any nuance. Emotionally stunted, black and white thinking... of course the logical end of that is an executioner, regardless of race.
hmm seems like he was abused...poor guy
He mentioned the Ptarian code.
It's a code written by Ptarius the claw, a gold dragon and advisor to Bahamut himself.
Ptarius was known for his... direct approach.
oh i didn't know that... I wonder if that's good or bad.@@medramonmasquedecendres2966
If you get a chance, you should go to the Society if you refuse to get Esther the egg and meet the guy actually running the experiment. He's absolutely horrible and blatant about what he's gonna do, and will say that if the kid doesn't "work out" he'll dispose of him.
The kid just seems to meet a bad end no matter what you do.
@@Hey1234Hey even if you leave him there? dang
I was surprised when I saw the egg to have grown this old and powerful by act 3 and honestly it was a bit ironic because in the creche they said they would destroy any eggs that were hatched late as it would likely be born weak, which turned to be wrong. Ptaris is considered to be a prodigy on his character UI and if you think about it, the society sped up his aging so he pretty much became this powerful within a little amount of time
Either the githyanki grow up really fast or we take longer rests than we realized.
Part of the experiment was to accelerate the aging. The guy was aiming to have a fully matured gith within two years
@@kozikitty so you"re telling me I long rested for 1-2 years?
THAT'S WHY! I swear when I saw the "child" I looked at Lae'zel: "So huh.... Are you 2 years old?"
@@HadeshyLae'zel is actually the youngest companion since Gith mature faster. I believe she's roughly 18-21 based on the fact that while she is an adult, she's still considered young by her people's standards. The one in the video is likely also a late teen in age and not fully grown.
They live the same time as humans but don't age in the astral sea so they could realistically live forever if they don't die in battle so since Lae'zel hasn't hunter her first mind flayer, it's likely she just became an adult recently since the eggs are hatched and raised in other planes so they can age properly.
Yes! I'm not the only one who thought this!! Like, how long did I spend in that Prism?!
The Ptarian code:Justice and Good above all
Honor and Fealty to the King.
Honor and Respect to Righteous Innocence.
Honor and Duty to the Balancer (Kelemvor), to His Mercy (Ilmater), and to the Justicemaker (Bahamut).
Honor and Protection to the Lesser Races.
Honor and Correction to the Enemies of Justice and Good.
Honor and Forbearance for oneself.
Only the most zealous of gold dragins an paladins follow the code.
Poor kid 😢.
Dude is no joke of a fight. Even if you jump him while his is contemplating what he has done, he can easily take out your whole group. He is resilient or immune to all forms of damage and creates clones on hit. He and his clone's opportunity attacks are like 40+.
He should've destroyed the absolute himself wtf
Laezel’s dialogue at the very last camp party, talking about how she raised the Gith and named him Xan is too precious, I’ll always give the egg to Lae’zel.
I just let Lae'zel keep the egg so she can be a mom one day lol.
She is going to toss it into nearest owlbear nest lol
@@Keram-io8hvConvince her to rebel against Vlaakith, and she actually raises the kid.
@@Daelyah Thank for information I know for one month
That poor kid. I wish I could have brought him back to camp with me after this. He didn't deserve to be left there all alone.
Especially considering the fact we’re the ones that sold him to the society. So it felt wrong to not take responsibility after meeting him.
Well wel well if it isn't the consequences of my own actions...
Reloads save file 84 hours ago
He follows Bahamut's justice. Has anyone talked to him as a Cleric of Bahamut? Probably has a unique dialogue option.
oh wow, im playing cleric of bahamut but haven't reach here yet, will keep an eye on it
@@crowfishy.p how did it go?
@@crowfishy.pI'm curious too.
@@crowfishy.p bro tell us
@@crowfishy.pany news?
I remember the first time I encountered the egg quest. My paladin of devotion had been to the underdark and met the Hobgoblin and Omeluum down there and got along with them great, so the idea of the Society trying to see if Githyanki are a case of nature vs nurture wasn't insane to him... through personally he was automatically on the side that no one was born evil and nurture always won out. However, he didn't accept the questline.
In part this was because he was in a relationship with Lae'zel, but it was also because abducting a child seemed terrible. When he went in and discovered that the egg was a late hatch and people in power wanted it dead, he promised to raise the child as his own flesh and blood before taking it.
However, what stopped him from handing it over to Lady Esher was a combination of sorts. He didn't know who was getting the egg in the end, but also Lady Esher herself. What cemented it was Esher saying that she personally believed that nature would win out and thought doing this experiment was stupid because of it. This was not a woman I wanted anywhere near this child.
I’m really surprised Lae’zel didn’t chime in
What I got from this whole arc is that githyankis are not good or evil. They just have a natural tendency to be practical, objective and logic, and that works perfectly in a militaristic society.
Subjective things like morality don’t come naturally to them and can even seem nonsensical, because it is so fluid and “illogical”.
Ptaris could’ve been brought up in a créche and he would hold the same beliefs as the rest of the créche and be content with it.
Githyankis are practical and objective by nature, not evil. Which is why Lae’Zel can be convinced of almost anything, as long as it’s the practical, most reasonable path.
Since Ptaris was brought up by moralists and taught moralist ideas, it became his doctrine. But since morals are subjective, he twisted it into something practical and logical in order to make sense of it.
This is great writing. Prime example of “show, don’t tell”.
A militaristic society of sociopathic fanatics that committed countless genocide, believe themselves to be the superior race, that murder their own young’s for questioning their elders and committed genocide on a portion of their own people because they rejected their militaristic philosophy. Let’s not sugarcoat them. They are not hated without reason.
I think best scenario was killing everyone in the creche except the egg tender just knocked him out and left the egg on him. I like to think that when he wakes up he will take care of the egg now that they arent being threatened.
That's actually the worst case scenario for him. The "threat" in this case was an inquisitor, who isn't apart of that creche. They're like auditors. They get sent around to multiple creche to inspect them, so one being dead doesn't mean there won't be more in the future. The inquisitor was coming to inspect the creche and if she saw that egg unhatched while all the other youths were walking about, he was gonna have to destroy it. The caretaker, being a late bloomer himself, didn't want to give up hope because he was spared by the patience of his caretaker; that's why he was worried.
Now, imagine your scenario: he wakes up to find that he and that unhatched egg are the only things still not a bloody mess in his creche after outsiders, particularly non-Gith mortals, showed up and killed off everyone. A man who was seen as too weak to hatch on time will then be seen as a man who was too weak to hatch on time AND fight off a handful of (supposedly) inferior creatures. He got ambushed and knocked out while everyone else fought the intruders fiercely and died. Regardless of the outcome, more inquisitors would still come and he can't run away (Githyanki can track each other through the astral plane and Vlaakith would have seen it all). Your scenario would literally be a signed and stamped death sentence, express air-mailed to that man's location in 1 hour or less.
@@thaddeusmarcuscheeleyjr.786 god so nihilistic. you are probably the same type of person that thinks releasing a thousand starving vampire spawn into the underdark is a bad idea. look I have MY weird best case scenarios you have yours. in the end there is no use for the game if you dont turn it in and none of these characters are seen again so I will live secure in my idea that egg tender and egg will run off into the wilds and be happy together.
@@kc3d777 If you don't what others comment about your strange delusions don't post them in a comment section on the internet.
I mean I was just defending my opinion about what to do with a nearly useless in game item. this is the comments section not the everyone needs to agree with me section i can accept that my dumb head cannon is open to critique. I can also disagree with a comment on my own comment and defend it. what you have done is add nothing of any value to the topic of what to do with a fictional alien elf egg. Instead you wasted my time with a youtube notification trying to chide me about a comment i made in the comments section where people comment their dumb opinions on things as if it was a new revelation to me that other people may disagree with me on the internet.
@@kc3d777 Not really a defense, more so a cry not to be critiqued yourself.
Honestly, I turned down thew quest initially, but after killing all the Githyanki (had to escape after defying their queen) I figured - what the heck, at least they’ll have a chance to survive, and the society people seem nice! (I went a roundabout way and found the Mind Flayer in the Underdark first so I figured they were all similarly generous)
… *Oh how I came to regret that notion* .
i kept the egg thinking i could hatch it and raise it--like i said i would :/ it wont let meeeee
Yea that quest isint set up very well. First time i gave her the egg and that was that i never came back to see it killed her which means the quest didnt continue and i didnt get to see him in the city. The second time playing i decided to keep the egg because some of the diologe implies you can riase him yourself. Well you cant and the thing will just sit in your inventory and it wieghs a ton.
forreal like we are constantly picking up stray kids in our camp why cant we have a little githyanki child terrorizing the camp :/@@billfred9411
its because it takes a long time to hatch. Normally githyanki are raised in the astral sea where time passes differently, so I assume the society of brilliance does something similar.
@@ihave2cows They use chronomancy to speed his aging hence why he's a teenager when you see him.
same.. i was romancing lae'zel so i put the egg in her inventory and i was waiting it for it to hatch so we can be mothers 😭😭 but nothing happened
This proves to me that I will forever give that lady an Owlbear egg. Tav's already got one baby Owlbear, they don't need a second
The best thing to do is give the egg to Lae’zell and have her keep it throughout the game. At the end during the reunion she said she is basically raising home to be whatever he wants. And if you romanced her she says something along the lines of “our child”.
Dang, I guess there weren't any good options there. So much for Lae'zel and Tav raising the hatchling together...
Don’t give up the egg, if you keep it laezel later says it hatched and she will take care of it.
I kept the egg, I figured Laezel might want a kid some day.
I really wish you could've brought him with you as a companion or an ally in the final fight or something. Just leaving him to lament his crimes after convincing him he was wrong ends up feeling like something's missing. Have him fight the good fight as a way of redeeming himself.
Yeah i agree, it's a missing opportunity by larian, as proven that ptaris is also a really good and gifted psionic fighter
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He could go and become a hero fighting alongside Laezel and Orpheus against Vlaakith (especially since he's probably the only githyanki who has no idea who she even is)
Larian adding nier as a companion, making this guy hatchable by la'zel/party, the slime being a pet would be great features in a future dlc. The only problem i see with nire and the gyth egg is that theyd need to edit the endings unless they add an act 4
I kinda disappointed that the developer only had two choice for what to do to with the egg: don't steal it and let it die on creche, or steal it and sold it to the woman. I want to hatch the egg myself, be the father of the githyanki kid (and Lae'zel be the mother!!!). Too bad the developer didn't give us that choice. I will never give the egg to that woman if the outcome is like this. Better keep it in my bag even if the egg didn't hatch.
Bro i think in same way fuck mountain pass i dont give my baby to these people
U can't be carrying a baby during all these crazy adventures, make sense
@@90piterr The chest carries all things. It carried two brains in jars from the beach to Baldur's Gate for me. Surely it can carry an egg!
@@Lightscribe225 I meant after hatched
@@90piterr So leave him with Grandpa Withers
Let us keep the egg! Give Withers a student! Give Scratch a playmate!
I raising both of the eggs- the githyanki and the Owlbear one but I’ll just give the gith egg to Lae’zel instead
Stole egg, turned in the quest to the lady. Stole the egg from the lady. Now have a Gith egg, and an Owlbear egg. BG 3 13-20 expac needs a way to hatch them. Then let me ride my grown owlbear while the Gith rides the other one.
Lae'zel rode off with him unhatched at the end with a certain spoiler free named person. That is the truest ending for me
I played as a bard and there were some additional options. I don't remember specifically, but you can convince him to lighten up a little.
Aw they grow up so fast
I wonder if a cleric of Bahamut or a Dragonborn would be able to recite the Ptarian code to him
Lil bucko became almost a damm adult in that small time span
Meanwhile he's sitting in my inventory like🥚
Weve got a vengeance palidin in the making here folks.
Tbh I kept the egg in hopes that maybe we could hatch it. Oh well. Astarion is probably having the time of his life with my Bard Tav adopting every single stray that she finds, lol. He is probably facepalming at the corner as my Tav is coming with something new and is like, "Can we keep this one too? Pleaaaase? Pretty please with sweetrolls on top???"
My bard Tav is the same lmao, Astarion's just there like 'ah yes, me, my boyfriend, and the two orphaned children, dog, three cats, owlbear cub, intellect devourer and githyanki egg he's adopted on his journey-' and if he doesn't put his foot down, there'll be a lot more adoptions coming-
@@Jinxprincess13 I get so incredibly happy when I see other people ship their Bard Tav's with Astarion too, lol. It's the best and most chaotic couple in my opinion, I love it, haha. 🤣❤️
@@Jinxprincess13 wait… we can adopt cats? And not just scratch and owlbear?
@@elenalizabeth I wish, for now that's just my dream
@@Jinxprincess13 😭 same. I don’t want a harem of companions all wanting to get in my pants, I just want to turn my camp into a petting zoo 😂🤷♀️
God... I never gave the egg to the Society of Brillance and I never saw this cutscene, but this outcome hits very close if you have a redeemed Durge; "Father saved me. I was nasty, evil thing, but his treatments made me good. I - I am cured" this hits specially close to a redeemed Durge knowing that before joining the Temple of Bhaal they tried to fight their urges, and Bhaal has always used these Urges to control and punish Durge when he failed or dissapointed him, that probably, after joining the Temple, Durge found he was no longer "broken". Many Durge dialogue options also deal with extreme self-loathing and self-hatred, even the things Durge says while walking "Wretched thing! Pull yourself together!" are a precise indicative that a good Durge hates themself for having these violent impulses. Durge has a deep sense of feeling they're broken or different, things that are deeply familiar to Ptaris.
You can even say that you hate yourself to that rude cat in act 3 😢. Only durge can say it. Also they only had their weird butler to make sure that they were kept in line. He even says that without him you would “go astray”.
@@empirednw6624 Exactly! I love how Durge has so much nuance instead of just being a "murderous hobo".
I found out you can just give that lady the owl bear egg and don't have to do this part to complete that quest.
I wonder what happens after that :o
@@sharpasacueball the owlbear comeback to u as a pet
I had the egg at that point but never got the option to select it when this quest came up.
@@sharpasacueball there will be no massacre in the society of brilliance, and if asked about gith egg one of them would mention that their contact was proven unreliable and they will not give her tasks anymore.
@sonnguyen-ul7gz that's not what happens - the owlbear pet is a totally different thing - going to owlbear cave, killing mom, leaving kid alive, going to goblin camp, playing chicken chasing, letting the owlbear smell your hand, getting the goblin to let the owlbear go. The owlbear egg is in no way related
alrighty then, now i dont feel so bad about pickpocketing the egg back after collecting the reward anymore
I'm surprised Lae'zel didnt have more to say about the situation
I was so upset I couldn't take care of Ptaris myself. I felt incredibly guilty and just wanted to help however I could.
I will admit, as the dark urge I 100% drop kicked the egg of a cliff when the dialogue option popped up xD
I did that once. I was disapointed that there's no animation for it.
poor guy went from potential societal abuse to direct domestic abuse.
I wish there was something you could do for him instead of just leaving him in the building (if you manage not to fight him). You should be able to take him back to camp and try to help him or take to Voss. If you have Lae'zel maybe she can work with him. Samething with Yenna (what happens to her if she survives). She needs a little ending or at least a note saying thank you for taking care of her.
Larian casually dropping a quest teaching why eugenistic was bad and how science can be corrupted when you try to create a perfect individual. Those guys weren't even working for a dictator XD.
This is not eugenics tho. This is kind of the opposite of eugenics. One is biologically changing a race, claiming that a race has biological superiority or one is inherently good/evil.
This guy's were arguing that the race did not matter but the social circumstances around the child. That an evil race could be raised to be good. And in this case they were proven wrong. If you exclude the fact that "stealing" him from his parents/society and forcing him to grow in a time loop may have been the circumstances that turned him into a maniac.
This wasn't eugenics but a nature vs nurture experiment taken to a horrific extreme
ColonelBragg is correct.
This is not eugenics (which is still bad and wouldn't work anyways) but it *_IS_* a great example of how science must not be divorced from ethics.
And also of how beginning with a faulty assumption (Gith are born evil) will inevitably lead to disastrous results (A Gith being abused to the point that he goes nuts and murders people based on the faulty ideas forced into his head)
It's a common mad scientist depiction, it's probably what happens when you do research with no ethical concerns and no standard guidelines. You just let your confirmation bias run wild.
@@Salt-Upon-Woundssunfortunately that extreme is indeed eugenics
Sure would be nice to just have a kiddie pool of acid sitting in camp next to Lae’zel
In just a few lines this kid was the most insightful Githyanki you ever meet. He is able to see past his extremist upbringing, critique his own code, and feel genuine remorse for immoral behavior.
Okay...so I definitely don't want to hand the egg over. That is a super messed up kid.
Oh thanks, now i dont feel bad about cutting down that women the moment she spoke of stealing a gith baby. Now i will feel glee when i cut her down the second time.
She's just a contractor, she has nothing to do with experiments.
@@captsmollett she's part of society of brilliance iirc. Either case, agreed to steal a baby i dont care what you call it.
I sold her owlbear's egg and she seemed quite happy about it 🤣 Granted, it needs few checks to get there, but it was worth it for me.
As someone who was adopted into an abusive family to save her from my biological parents' alleged sinful natures, this comments section is making me want to reroll as Dark Urge IRL.
Ignore them, 90% of people in the internet seem to be apathic, cold or simply stupid. And resiste the Dark Urge, be good to yourself and to others, be better than them.
You born yesterday?
Internet is ruthless
Here an example
Go dark urge irl, i wanna see "baldurs gate 3 player thinking they baal spawn, stomping entire squirel population" in headline
The fantasy space frog lich worshipers aren’t people, but you are. Its just a game. Don’t let it bother you. Sorry you had a rough upbringing. Be good, love yourself, and surround yourself with other good people.
agreed, it's definitely giving me bad vibes at least. reminds me of how historically, colonists would adopt indigenous children in an attempt to "civilise" them, but also it was to aid in genocide. this questline rings so many alarm bells.
Love and healing to you, friendo. And may child abusers meet an oopsie in traffic.
It is puzzling exactly how long has passed since Act 1 to Act 3.
"I'm good at being bad. Does that count?"
I'm still mad at myself for not picking that dialogue-option.. :D
This whole quest really pissed me off. Never even realized it existed during my first run, so I didn't even start it.
Second run I did complete it, only to find out it has some very annoying consequences later on when you get to Baldur's Gate.
I dont understand how he is a teenager so quickly. Do githyanki age faster? Or did the society use chronomancy to speed up his aging? The owlbear cub is still a cub so why did he go from egg to an adolecent in at most a month
I turned the Egg myself into the Society contact and he mentioned he was going to try and speed up the aging. I'm assuming if you give the egg to Esther (I think is her name?) you maybe don't get that dialogue.
@@tylorjohnsman6197 Judging by the dialogue a lot of time has passed for this guy so it still doesn't make sense. Is the portal a time portal or something
if you search the house you will find a journal where the guy talks about how he sped up ptaris's aging
@@michelleong2762 that's probably why he was too dogmatic with the code thing. They made him grow up too fast and he couldn't have a childhood to make him naturally learn morals
@@7Kibzthats the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It goes against the idea of raising a gith to be peaceful. They deserved their fate.
I don't understand why it was necessary to steal an egg when there was already a githyanki pacifist in the camp. Why couldn't he somehow be persuaded to come with us to find another life in Faerun without wars and bloodshed?
Or tell this woman that we will find a better home for the baby, and find other parents for the baby.
But maybe this is such an irony from Larian? - Even someone who grew up in a paramilitary society can become a pacifist and want to be kind - And the one who was meant to be raised as kind became a monster.🤔
Going off what Esther tells us, they specifically want to prove that gith aren’t born evil. An adult gith being good doesn’t necessarily prove that, because they could have just become good over time.
Though their experiment sucked from how the kid describes it, because their idea of ‘proving he wasn’t born evil’ was to rigorously drill a black and white moral code in him to the point he snapped and killed then all.
Most of the society "scientists" are uhhh... questionable at best. They're unethical and also pretty bad at the science itself
But the real monsters were the friends we made along the way
That's honestly a strange interaction I'm glad I didn't follow up to see- or rather make the choice to have him be raised by them.
I won't lie, Ptaris looks like Spock. I wager the Ptarian Code includes a "Live long and prosper" somewhere in there.
Interesting thing about the Vulcan hand gesture, too: It started when Nimoy brought that from his Judaic background, after he was given permission by the folx running the show. Nimoy mentioned how he remembered it from a specific prayer event, when he was a kid, and he recalled how much of a beautiful spiritual moment it was for him.
Even as someone who doesn't practice any particular religion, I find it really fascinating and wholesome. 🤍
This is exactly how I play my Githyanki sorceror lol.
i completely forgot about the egg till this clip poped up, i put it in storrage and forgot it existed.
I cracked the egg open and had githyanki scrambled green eggs and ham. DELICIOUS, a real delicacy.
With dwarf bacon?
Everybody down here is talking about space frog abuse and how much thought they put into this decision. And i’m just scrolling through as a rogue who sold this egg i looted off the angry green men i found under the kobold hentai artist party. Turns out it grew up to be an angry green man too. Wild.
I wonder what happens if you don’t steal him and just ask for him peacefully. Maybe he’s less psychotic?
I didnt steal him his father gave him to me and this was the scene I got for it
@@PerfectParadox womp, guess you should’ve let the githyanki kill the egg for not hatching fast enough lol
@@PerfectParadoxGithyanki don't really have biological fathers since the egg-laying is an asexual proccess that they invented after Vlakiith took over. The guy was simply a nurse/egg-tender
@@Cat_Guevara if they reproduce asexually why do they have genitals and breasts complete with nipples? It doesn't make any damn sense
I had Lazael ask for him peacefully and still got the same result
Oh interesting. I just gave the woman the owlbear egg from act 1. It seems the Society of Brilliance dies regardless of what egg you give them, as if you give them the owlbear egg the owlbear will kill them as well.
I'm getting serious Connor, son of Angel vibes from this.
i knew what would happen if I gave them the egg..... so i gave it to them for the money, and then pickpocketed the egg back because they not fucking up this poor child. nope.
Kirk: You are flawed. Execute your prime directive.
I am team "Githyanki egg becomes the BG3 version of the Child from Mandalorian"
damn, I found him without Lae'Zel and looked for a video like that to see if she said anything here, and I'm disappointed
I also chose all the same dialogue options!
well that's horrible, i'm glad i give the lady the owl bear egg every time. i will continue to headcanon that my gith son hatched in camp and i raised him with the company of the others and as many animals as we could find
Someone said he kills Ommelum, if you let them "Care" for him.
And I think they were right.
He doesn't kill blurg or omeluum, however they also won't be I'm act 3 if you give the society the egg. If you give them the egg you'll find a letter from blurg and omeluum about soft accepting the invitation to the society but not them! They will have not made it to the society yet, presumably because the correspondence stops (by courtesy of the society members being dead I presume)
@@chrussublah4264 can you still rescue omeluum then or does he just not appear?
@@hayato.32 he just doesn't appear.
Oh man I didn't know you could run into em again. I went to grab the egg the other night and accidentally squashed it.
Now I'm really glad I pickpocketed the egg back from her afterI sold it to her.
If I had known they would abuse him with a haircut like that, I would never have stolen the egg.
2:00 am I going crazy or are the subtitles not matching the dialogue? Not gonna lie, it’s kind of creeping me out… makes it feel more real, like breaking the fourth wall, not following what’s supposed to be said.
You should have punted him off the cliff when you had the chance.
maybe...the gith that hatch last are stronger? and that's why vlaad forces the slow hatcher to be destroyed?
Pity we couldn’t pass on the the owl bear egg and scam her.
I mean you can, and the owlbear will kill her instead.
You want a good Gith? A pacifist Gith? Go to Limbo.
Oh! Good that I've kept the little guy in my pocketses then
I did not steal the egg, because it just seemed wrong to do. But, it's nice to be able to see these scenes anyway. Thanks!
wonder if you giver her the owlbear egg if it hatches as well?
Nice to know we were right in not trusting Esther.
Oh man this quest ending got to me enough to put him down when I saw what happened on a good run
i didnt give the egg cuz i thought we could hatch it in camp :'D
i also kept it in my inventory all the time cuz i thought of it like a chicken egg and the body warmth would incubate it...... 😂😂
so im bringing it along on my adventures, killing a bunch of people with the egg stashed along with the rest of the garbage and quest items i accumulate :'D
This is why I gave the egg to Lae'zel. If she takes it and yurns her back on Vlaakith she names him Xen (I think) which means freedom and raises him to be whoever he wants to be. And she raises him with love. If you talk to Lae'zel in the epilogue she talks abojt how happy she is with him in her life.
Actually if you romance her and convince her to stay you both wonder around faerun killing vlaakith's forces, raising your adopted kid together, and generally just being a happy family. Hers is one of the most wholesome endings for romance
@@brendanmuller7301 You can also now go off with ehe and Orpheus to fight Vlaakith. I think you even get your own red dragon
@@brigittedemers1607 Isn't that only if you're a githyanki
@brendanmuller7301 It used to be! But as of the most recent update, it doesn't matter. As long as you romance her you can go with her, now. Which is why I am going to go back and replay her romance now, so I may soar off with her
@@brigittedemers1607 Starting a new run as we speak. Shadowheart romance can wait I must make a male drow that goes off into space with his alien gf
Welp, time to go back to the mountain to get the egg back.
ah...good I left him in the creche then...
God damnit. I went to the astral plane before i went anywhere else from r some reason so i had to fight my way to the purifier thingy. Everyone else was dead so i figured whats the harm. This is the harm :'(