Love this video, beautifully shot and presented! Thanks for choosing the ThunderBay 4 and our Dock! A note on the time it takes to certify, if you do purchase a preconfigured (with drives) ThunderBay from OWC, each of the drives is certified before we ship it to you. So, why is Certification best practice? It checks every sector on each of the drives for errors and shows you bad drives before you start using them. For example, it may take 2 years before you start using the part of a disk which contains bad sectors. So the problem could’ve been there all along but you wouldn’t know. Certification checks every sector up front before you start relying on it for client projects! Happy Backups and cant wait to see more of your videos!
Hello! I’m looking to get into better storage practice similar to the video. What would the cost be for a similar setup with pre-certified drives from you guys?
Literally looking into building out a system now and this video couldn’t have came out at a better time for me. I’ve been going back-and-forth on which route to go in and the fact that OWC made an effort to connect with us content creators has definitely swayed me into considering their system. Thank you!
Man! I really can't get enough of these production videos. Once again, it's always the small things that come together to make the big picture happen👏🏿 I really need to get some Nass storage setup
Ah thanks dude. Appreciate that. Didn't mention it in the video but I looked into NAS options but the increased speed of DAS and the ability to get unlimited backups to Backblaze is what landed me here.
@blasepivovar awesome to hear. I remember hearing something similar in a Linus Tech tips video and that served as a catalyst for me to look into it myself.
I have the same RAID drive, and fortunatelly I only use it for storage of completed projects. My main gripe with it is not the noise so much as the fact that it goes into sleep every 5 minutes of idling which is incredibly annoying in combination with the noise and how slow it is to wake up. I've had Lacie 5 drive RAID5 enclosures years ago and they are way faster to wake up, way quieter and there was never a sleep problem with them. I miss them :)
A UPC (or UPS) is great, but battery lifetime is a thing. A place I worked at had two, and swapped them every six months. Just before the swap, the "new" one would be charged up, then drive a high power lamp until it went flat. The time that a fully charged UPC can power a lamp is a great test of the battery.
@@philiprobar A battery has a shelf life. Just like a phone battery, the life can be shortened by how often you discharge it, or even how long you keep it at 100%. 6 months was decided by paranoid engineers, you could probably do it once a year. Of course, you can also look at the spare and start thinking of powering LED lights during a field photoshoot...
Keep in mind with backblaze they would send your data to you in $200+ drives in 8TB segments. If you were to need all 38TB sent to you there is no easy way to get it from Backblaze. Yes you get your money back when the drives are returned but you would still need to front a ton of cash and then pieces your data back together 8TB at a time. Having a set of large HDD drives with your data off site is a better option at scale.
@@blasepivovar Agreed! At your current scale its relatively doable. I have the same set up. But I do know people with say an 8bay and 128+ TB in back blaze and I think at that point it may not be the best solution! Awesome video by the way. There are not a ton out on DAS systems so I love to see it. I love my OWC
Make sure you have business insurance that can pay for recovering lost data. Especially when you have massive Data Storage NAS, Drives, etc. Awesome video!
@@thisisfilmatic thank you! having the footage in three places including the cloud should prevent that from ever happening in the first place but a good note to at least know what you are insured for. mine has a pretty low deductible for data recovery services.
So sick! Yeah a year ago I honestly thought I was pretty set. I would watch raid videos sorta with an eye roll of sorts as most people talking about them on youtube got sent theirs for free and they outfit it with a ridiculous amount of space haha. But when my volume of work increased dramatically this year, I knew I had to make some adjustments to keep the workflow efficient. Hopefully this video serves as a stepping stone for someone who was in my shoes and is looking at options!
Helpful video, thanks! I’ve been running a similar, but slower, QNAP direct attached storage solution for years. I don’t work on video projects from the drive. Instead, I dump memory cards to it and project backups. This allows me to turn the drive on when I need it and silence it (off) when I do not.
I suggest you not to daisy chain those down the road. If you need more space and disks get a proper NAS, you want a system that can periodically sanitize, check the array, prevent data rot and allow you to access it during when on a degraded state.
As someone who doesn't know the most about this stuff, could you point to helpful accessible resources? Humbly, I have no idea what most of this means.
@@blasepivovar ehh.. idk about easy to read resources. The function that does it on Nasses is called "DATA SCRUBBING" so they do abstract everything away from you in one automated function.
@@blasepivovar TrueNAS is one example. It uses the ZFS filesystem. You get RAID, error checking and fixing as data is read and written, scheduled checking of the drives' health, and scheduled checking and fixing of your data's health (known as "scrubbing"). Combine this with error correcting memory and your existing backup plan means that your data safe and recoverable. Servers can be configured with storage and LAN connections that allow for video editing over the network. You can either DIY a solution with the community edition, or buy a configured and supported solution from them.
That setup for under $2k is incredible! I went with the 64TB thunderbay8 and spent 3k on that alone, haha.You think that under desk mount would work for the bigger 8drive Thunderbay? Also how long did it take for you to backup all that data to BackBlaze?
Thank you! I think as long as you are within the listed dimensions of that mount you should be good! Def took several days to back everything up. Not sure how long it took exactly as I was just letting it run off and on / overnight. Speed wise it helped a bunch to set the 'throttle' to unlimited and 'max backup threads' to 100.
If you're a business and you're so technically naive that you didn't know what a UPS is then you really should be paying a professional to care for your data. If you're not using ZFS and ECC memory then you're saying that you don't really care about your data.
Hey Philip! You are right that I am somewhat technically naive when it comes to data storage as prefaced in the video. I am always trying to learn more :) Could you point to some helpful resources so me and others could learn more? If none feel super accessible for beginners like myself, would you be up for making a video or two yourself about the topic? I'd genuinely love to learn and sounds like you really know your stuff!
@ I have the thunderbay flex 8 and I wish I went with a nas with thunderbolt. It wouldn’t cost just a little more, still had a way to daisy chain, and you get all the benefits of a nas
@@grayanderson9800 Got it! yeah i looked into NAS but felt like the speed trade off and lack of backblaze personal plan support left me looking at other options. I don't have a huge need for having mine attached to a network. But also since this is my first investment in this lane, the thunderbay 4 felt like an easy first buy. Can always keep the drives and switch to something else down the road if im not digging it
@ it is great for that!! I love my flexbay 8. But… that’s when it was a one time purchase for soft raid. And the subscription model I just hate passionately.
@@grayanderson9800 mmmmm. yeah i try to avoid subscriptions when at all possible as well. i guess for me, $6/mo for it to monitor the health of my drives isn't crazy. Is there another DAS RAID option with comparable speed / performance / monitor features that does not require a subscription? I don't have all the answers, just asking in case it is helpful for other folks reading these comments
Love this video, beautifully shot and presented! Thanks for choosing the ThunderBay 4 and our Dock! A note on the time it takes to certify, if you do purchase a preconfigured (with drives) ThunderBay from OWC, each of the drives is certified before we ship it to you. So, why is Certification best practice? It checks every sector on each of the drives for errors and shows you bad drives before you start using them. For example, it may take 2 years before you start using the part of a disk which contains bad sectors. So the problem could’ve been there all along but you wouldn’t know. Certification checks every sector up front before you start relying on it for client projects! Happy Backups and cant wait to see more of your videos!
ah great note on certifying the drives! that is helpful to know and glad I took the time to do it :)
Hello! I’m looking to get into better storage practice similar to the video. What would the cost be for a similar setup with pre-certified drives from you guys?
@@spencerfr1 eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/TB3SRE32.0S/
@@spencerfr1 Or i guess this one would be equivalent: eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/TB3SRE48.0S/
Literally looking into building out a system now and this video couldn’t have came out at a better time for me. I’ve been going back-and-forth on which route to go in and the fact that OWC made an effort to connect with us content creators has definitely swayed me into considering their system. Thank you!
Man! I really can't get enough of these production videos. Once again, it's always the small things that come together to make the big picture happen👏🏿
I really need to get some Nass storage setup
Ah thanks dude. Appreciate that. Didn't mention it in the video but I looked into NAS options but the increased speed of DAS and the ability to get unlimited backups to Backblaze is what landed me here.
@blasepivovar awesome to hear. I remember hearing something similar in a Linus Tech tips video and that served as a catalyst for me to look into it myself.
I have the same RAID drive, and fortunatelly I only use it for storage of completed projects. My main gripe with it is not the noise so much as the fact that it goes into sleep every 5 minutes of idling which is incredibly annoying in combination with the noise and how slow it is to wake up. I've had Lacie 5 drive RAID5 enclosures years ago and they are way faster to wake up, way quieter and there was never a sleep problem with them. I miss them :)
ah yeah i feel that. doesn't bother me too much but I dont have anything else to compare it too so that is good to point that out!
I'm shocked when I see that you only have 11k followers... Man, your videos are so good. Anyways, thanks a lot :)
thank you
Great job with the presentation on this, dudeeee. So stoked that you got this storage system set up!
thanks mane! it's so fun!
A UPC (or UPS) is great, but battery lifetime is a thing. A place I worked at had two, and swapped them every six months. Just before the swap, the "new" one would be charged up, then drive a high power lamp until it went flat.
The time that a fully charged UPC can power a lamp is a great test of the battery.
interesting! good to know
Why were the batteries changed so frequently?
@@philiprobar A battery has a shelf life. Just like a phone battery, the life can be shortened by how often you discharge it, or even how long you keep it at 100%.
6 months was decided by paranoid engineers, you could probably do it once a year.
Of course, you can also look at the spare and start thinking of powering LED lights during a field photoshoot...
Keep in mind with backblaze they would send your data to you in $200+ drives in 8TB segments. If you were to need all 38TB sent to you there is no easy way to get it from Backblaze. Yes you get your money back when the drives are returned but you would still need to front a ton of cash and then pieces your data back together 8TB at a time. Having a set of large HDD drives with your data off site is a better option at scale.
Noted. So currently, i'd just need appox $600 to get my 22TB back? I personally don't feel like that is wild at all.
@@blasepivovar Agreed! At your current scale its relatively doable. I have the same set up.
But I do know people with say an 8bay and 128+ TB in back blaze and I think at that point it may not be the best solution!
Awesome video by the way. There are not a ton out on DAS systems so I love to see it. I love my OWC
@@DarkWaterCreatives Sweet! Yeah I am tracking with ya!
Make sure you have business insurance that can pay for recovering lost data. Especially when you have massive Data Storage NAS, Drives, etc. Awesome video!
@@thisisfilmatic thank you! having the footage in three places including the cloud should prevent that from ever happening in the first place but a good note to at least know what you are insured for. mine has a pretty low deductible for data recovery services.
Nice! Excited to watch this, I’ve been using your old method since you posted that video 👍🏼
So sick! Yeah a year ago I honestly thought I was pretty set. I would watch raid videos sorta with an eye roll of sorts as most people talking about them on youtube got sent theirs for free and they outfit it with a ridiculous amount of space haha. But when my volume of work increased dramatically this year, I knew I had to make some adjustments to keep the workflow efficient. Hopefully this video serves as a stepping stone for someone who was in my shoes and is looking at options!
Helpful video, thanks! I’ve been running a similar, but slower, QNAP direct attached storage solution for years. I don’t work on video projects from the drive. Instead, I dump memory cards to it and project backups. This allows me to turn the drive on when I need it and silence it (off) when I do not.
Nice! Yeah my OWC is also ejected when it is not in use and forgot to mention that in the video!
man, how do you have such clean imagens? it looks awesome!
thank you! lighting and the color grade are doing most of the work here!
I suggest you not to daisy chain those down the road. If you need more space and disks get a proper NAS, you want a system that can periodically sanitize, check the array, prevent data rot and allow you to access it during when on a degraded state.
As someone who doesn't know the most about this stuff, could you point to helpful accessible resources? Humbly, I have no idea what most of this means.
@@blasepivovar ehh.. idk about easy to read resources.
The function that does it on Nasses is called "DATA SCRUBBING" so they do abstract everything away from you in one automated function.
@@blasepivovar
TrueNAS is one example. It uses the ZFS filesystem. You get RAID, error checking and fixing as data is read and written, scheduled checking of the drives' health, and scheduled checking and fixing of your data's health (known as "scrubbing"). Combine this with error correcting memory and your existing backup plan means that your data safe and recoverable.
Servers can be configured with storage and LAN connections that allow for video editing over the network.
You can either DIY a solution with the community edition, or buy a configured and supported solution from them.
Backblaze 🤝 Blase. I think you're destined for a collab haha. Great breakdown!
hahaha waiting for them to reach out
Another one! 🙌🏾
haha thanks dude yeah batched a few videos a few weeks back and have been working through the edits!
That setup for under $2k is incredible! I went with the 64TB thunderbay8 and spent 3k on that alone, haha.You think that under desk mount would work for the bigger 8drive Thunderbay? Also how long did it take for you to backup all that data to BackBlaze?
Thank you! I think as long as you are within the listed dimensions of that mount you should be good! Def took several days to back everything up. Not sure how long it took exactly as I was just letting it run off and on / overnight. Speed wise it helped a bunch to set the 'throttle' to unlimited and 'max backup threads' to 100.
Awesome video! What app do you use for checking the data transfer speed?
thank you! blackmagic disk speed test
Do you record most interviews in H.265 at 700 mbs?
200
real ones know that motu is the OG DAC!
love the motu
Uninterrupted Power Cupply? I’m pretty sure it’s called UPS..
hahaha. Yep my bad. APC is a common brand so combined those in my head
You need backup your DAS locally, not just cloud.
all active projects are backed up on the ssd
👍🏻
RAID on a DAS, a bad idea. I prefer as is, just separate disks. I prefer just use Carbon Copy Cloner to copy from one drive to the other.
Good to know
Raid is not a backup 3 2 1 3 locations 2 different types cloud and local or local has and a second local has 1 lose one copy your good
I am using 3-2-1. Raid is at my office. SSD always comes with me. Cloud backup on Backblaze.
If you're a business and you're so technically naive that you didn't know what a UPS is then you really should be paying a professional to care for your data. If you're not using ZFS and ECC memory then you're saying that you don't really care about your data.
Hey Philip! You are right that I am somewhat technically naive when it comes to data storage as prefaced in the video. I am always trying to learn more :) Could you point to some helpful resources so me and others could learn more? If none feel super accessible for beginners like myself, would you be up for making a video or two yourself about the topic? I'd genuinely love to learn and sounds like you really know your stuff!
It all depends on your tolerance for potential data loss. I've never used ECC memory or ZFS. Just practiced 321 backups and have been fine.
$399 for that OWC? too expensive, priced as NAS. You can get the same for $189 for the Terramaster D4-320.
is the D4 a raid?
OWC IS HORRIBLE! They charge a subscription for soft raid and that is complete bull shit. I'd run far away from them and go with anyone else.
what would you recommend instead?
@ I have the thunderbay flex 8 and I wish I went with a nas with thunderbolt. It wouldn’t cost just a little more, still had a way to daisy chain, and you get all the benefits of a nas
@@grayanderson9800 Got it! yeah i looked into NAS but felt like the speed trade off and lack of backblaze personal plan support left me looking at other options. I don't have a huge need for having mine attached to a network. But also since this is my first investment in this lane, the thunderbay 4 felt like an easy first buy. Can always keep the drives and switch to something else down the road if im not digging it
@ it is great for that!! I love my flexbay 8. But… that’s when it was a one time purchase for soft raid. And the subscription model I just hate passionately.
@@grayanderson9800 mmmmm. yeah i try to avoid subscriptions when at all possible as well. i guess for me, $6/mo for it to monitor the health of my drives isn't crazy. Is there another DAS RAID option with comparable speed / performance / monitor features that does not require a subscription? I don't have all the answers, just asking in case it is helpful for other folks reading these comments