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While there are pros and cons to owning a NAS, this video gets a bit confusing at times. It seems to focus more on the storage part rather than the networking and compute aspects, which are definitely more complex. Having a NAS is neither a starting point nor a prerequisite to learning dockers,linux etc. There are more complex concepts involved, and getting a NAS is not something I would bother with if thats your goal. A better advice to learn these things would be to get a rpi or a cloud provider free-tier account and learn. Also having a NAS without proper networking in place is either going to limit your applications or make your content more prone to attacks. This is something which most cloud providers are going to be better at, not to forget being able to reach the disk with probably better connectivity than your ISP. The cons should be properly explained here. AFAIK owning a NAS is only worthwhile if you have lots of media files you dont need to access from everywhere and money is factor (doorbell footage, dslr raw files, plex etc come to mind)
So if I have a shit ton of media files and just need them stored somewhere only need to access them once in a blue moon when I’m at home, then this device is good? (We’re talking like 100,000’s of RAW files and video)
@@devindoucette4958 Short answer: Yes. If you can afford it, go for it. However it might be an overkill for your situation. If you just want to connect to your media files at home, from 1 PC, Pcie (in most cases a USB cable) would be the fastest (in most cases i.e fast data cable), cheapest and most secure. Get the right cable and you're set, just connect to your PC and go. It doesn't require any compute/networking and will be the most secure. If you want to connect to the storage via network/wifi you need a networking access and some compute with it. I would suggest using an old PC/RaspberryPi, leave it powered on and connect to your storage via usb. From there just configure the network on it (ethernet or wifi) and use a protocol to allow remote connections and file transfers (SSH with SFTP/Samba/FTP etc). This is basically DIYing a NAS, but will be cheaper.
@@devindoucette4958 this is exactly why you need one, it also can do much more actually. homebox ,this is a "portal" you can host on that device and it serves as a home inventory management (you can check a demo on their page to see how easy it is) and this is just to name one of endless other services (cloud drive, cloud photos, media server , host your own vpn... ) that you could use for your own /family "IT" needs that you would usually pay for monthly..
Oh my goodness. I'm well versed (but a bit rusty) in Linux, but I will be in needing some media storage in the nearish future. So you've given me a lot more ideas to think about. And it's awesome that you use Home Assistant and automate your home. I have one camera (we used to have quite a few but that was several years ago and they've aged poorly) and also use HA to run my household - as well as a couple common voice assistants. For me it's mostly motion detection in rooms so that lights come on when I enter. I started following you for the Obsidian topics, but I'm staying because you're into a lot of the fun stuff I enjoy. This video explained a lot more about NAS in a way that made it easy to follow along even though it's kind of unfamiliar territory for me. Keep up the great work!
This is me a year ago. Paying Google and Dropbox...it sucked and do you even own your data? Now I have a Synology NAS and from there started a Proxmox homelab server. Now I'm conteplating a home built NAS with NVME drives for fast storage. Getting a NAS was really a game changer for me.
I still don't understand few things: 1. NAS as media server would require me to have media content locally, but almost all the content I watch is on Netflix, Prime, RUclips, or some other streaming platform. Are you suggesting to download that content and watch locally later? Like piracy? 2. I need to ensure constant power supply and whenever I am travelling for a large duration, I will still need to keep everything running at home, and thus extra cost of power/electricity. 3. Cloud applications provide a lot of benefits which are not available in nas os. Example google photos for image/videos. 4. 2tb google one membership is cheaper than maintaining an own NAS + cost of hardware + reliability - benefits of google software.
1. You store your own important data there. Let's say you are a videographer that has hundreds gigabyte of file then NAS will be a really great option 2. Yeah, everything has it's price 3. You're correct. But there is people who don't want their data to be seen by Google or any other cloud services, especially if you running business that contains really important data. NAS will make sure the data that you own located on your own house instead of server in the middle of nowhere. 4. Correct. But again, there is some kind of data that people don't want to upload onto the cloud services
My NAS is great, learned a lot and got my stuff out of primarily being hosted in Google and Dropbox cloud services. The major downside for me at the moment is noise. I have my two bay NAS in a closet and it runs constantly with a low-level disk access noise going on...there's no way around that without replacing the NAS with all NVME storage which is a big outlay after having created the NAS just 1.5 years ago.
Local NAS doesn't protect your data from flood, fire, theft, or natural disaster. Another off-site solution is necessary, doubling the hardware cost of your investment along with bandwidth limits from your ISP.
I rotate disks from home, to a security box in a bank, then to a relatives house just over the state line, then back again. I usually do the rotation at least once a month. So each location has some version of my stuff…home is the newest, the bank vault is second newest, relatives house is oldest. Of course, disks are encrypted…256 bit XTS-AES Also have one more in the cloud…mirrors realtime closely, so that is first go-to if needed.
@@cake5000 yeah, I came close to that several times, but I detetmined that i want to be in full control and ownership of my data and the policies and tools used to maintain it. Here is a short list of cons to something like backblaze (for me personally): -Data Security and privacy…still need to trust their encryption or do your own end to end encryption. -Data Sovereignty…they may eventually move their servers to other countries with different laws and regulations regarding privacy…or our own laws may change…potential to open data to government access. -Ongoing costs that may increase. Also, they charge a lot when you want to retrieve your data. -Data transfer speeds…can be slow going up and especially retrieving, like in an emergency. -Dependent on internet access -Changing to a different vendor for whatever reason would be a pita. -Potential for service disruptions, when you need to get your data. In general, limited control of my data. To be more clear though, I have all my devices backed up automatically to a central 42TB nas (after raid 5), in my house. I also have digitized family videos, photos, etc there. I back that nas up to a large external drive and that is the drive I move around. I have 3 of those drives, as per my rotation schedule above. The ‘cloud’ i am using is still my own, because I was able to secure 1U rackspace at a local facility and keep my own equiptment there, for pretty cheap. But if that changes, then I stick to my rotation only. No ongoing cost (just maintenance and potential to replace a disk once in a while, hardware keeps getting cheaper), no privacy concerns because of my own encryption, etc. If I ever wanted to, I can just point my nas at a service like backblaze, then at least my data would already be encrypted before it even hits their servers. But that’s me.
A NAS is not a backup - I couldn't agree more. It is shocking how many people think it is. My only issue with them is the challenge of being able to fully back them up and have them in another physical location requires more resources and complexity than just backing up to a hard drive and doing multiple copies of that
Hi I don’t really understand how any of this stuff works, but basically, this thing lets me plug a hard drive into a router and make it accessible to any device in the house? How does it work? For example, I have a hard drive right now with a few terabytes worth of movies, anime, and video game ROMs. Can I put all that stuff in the NAS and then access that stuff through a regular looking folder on my PC, MacBook, iPad, and iOS? Does that stuff need to be downloaded to my computer’s actual storage to be used? How does it work?
NAS is a file server. A server is just another computer which "serves" you with the thing you want. In this case, it's files. So NAS acts as a data-storage computer that is accessible over the local network (and on internet too if you want to expose it). You would need to setup the NAS just like how you would setup another laptop, but most ppl use linux OS since its free, lightweight, and open sourced (this part takes a bit of learning curve as FromSergio mentioned). But once you've setup NAS, you can configure a "shared folder" on NAS that will popup on your MacOS' Finder app or Windows' File Explorer. At this point you can interact with that folder just as you would with a regular folder on your local computer. Hope this helps!
Best overview on why I need a NAS I've seen thus far. As a result, I know its the solution I need and have an idea what options I should consider. @FromSergio I appreciate your effort in this video.
You’re amazing and deserve so much more in terms of viewership and subscribers. I didn’t know anything about this where to even begin in terms of usage where to start and what I would need. Thank you so much. You have no idea thank you
I don't understand how people make some leap of logic from external storage, to a NAS. That's like going from a scooter to a sports car. Its stupid. Instead, a far more elegant solution that will fill most peoples needs for FAR CHEAPER, is simply to re-use old HDD/SSDs as archival storage, and use a HDD caddy to plug them in to a computer to access, without the need to open up the PC and fiddle about with SATA power and data cables. Effectively, turning your old 1TB+ HDDs in to USB sticks, in a way. Or at least you can treat them like them, plugging them in and out of your PC like one through the caddy. Not to mention this saves a lot of money not only on the price difference of caddy vs NAS (£20-30 vs £100-£200+) but also on power costs, because its not on all the time unless you want to do that, and still offers most of the same benefits like automatic backup, if you set that up. The only real thing you lose is the ability to access data anywhere anytime but honestly for 99% of people, that kind of data will be in the form of forms, documents etc, and so using google drive, one drive, dropbox, will all suit your needs.
I’m à fiction writer and always feels that a nas (at those prices) is a bit overkill… don’t know I have an iCloud subscription with Apple Music and it’s seems to be enough… I’m not sure for non technical workers if it really fit… Great and really clear video btw
A nas is more than your icloud. You can’t automate your computer backups to iCloud and boot from network. Saving your ass when your only computer crashes. You don’t pay monthly for it and that is just scratching the surface. Stop giving away your money to these companies and buy an old workstation for $100 and take your data back from these companies that sell it without your consent.
@@xObscureDarknesskinda agree with you. Didn't do much more than you for a long time. Until my passwords were shared online. (via a hack of the antivirus company I use ). Which led to me battling to regain control of a lot of stuff. Since then I have been using it for more than media. I have a locally hosted password manager that has 2 factor authentication. (Bitwarden) I also removed all of my personal files backed up online as it's only as strong as the password protecting them. (Not even then, with cookie stealers.)
I repurposed my old PC into an xpenology system in a node 304 case and it rules. Cost next to nothing compared to a synology, it’s more powerful, and I get all the software benefits.
You stated that the nas will backup your photos automatically, my question is what is the app used to automatically backup my samsung phone and tablet?? regards .. I have a Synology Nas
Pretty low. I have it populated with 4x8TB wd red plus (also in the living room) without a problem and I’m quite sensitive to noise as well. Your choice of drives matters the most. Enterprise drives like Exos are much noisier than wd reds/ironwolf!
The sound for the most part is pretty inaudible. The only time I notice any sound at all is when my NAS gets backed up to the cloud. My NAS to cloud back up periodically goes through all the files on the disk to verify what has changed so does a lot of reading so very busy. In normal usage or backing my PC's upto the NAS I don't notice it. I also have the Synology 4 drive 920+ which has 2 fans in the back, a 2 drive NAS would only have 1 fan so is even quieter. For note I have mine populated with 4 Seagate Ironwolf drives. I have used a Synology NAS since 2012 and would never look elsewhere . My first one was given to a colleague and it is still going strong . I have no idea what Synology support is like as I have never had to call them. Also with Synology if there is a time when you know they will not be used you can schedule them to power on and off at different times not that they cost much to run anyway.
I think I have the exact same model and when it works, it's great. But I have SO much trouble connecting to it. It does not stay connected and every time I try to connect it rarely connects. Often I want to throw it out the window, it is so frustrating. It seems you need to be a network expert to get and keep it working. It is possible our router might be the issue, but I don't know how to determine that. We have the TP-Link Archer AX6000 which is supposed to be good, but maybe not? I am just so frustrated with our Synology NAS and wish we could use it for more tasks. I must be doing something wrong, but I don't know what I am doing wrong.
Hi Paulo you can find all of my gear in the description but I use the sony ZV-E10 with sigma f1.4 as well as an A6400, depending on what I want to capture :)
one of this day it would be fast enough that where you can store you game files in these storage and play though games from your separate storage at that time i might think of getting one
But just like google wouldn't the company that manufactures the NAS be able to keep track of your data since its also connected to the internet like any other cloud service?
I wanted to have a nas server but it didnt fix my problem, i wanted a one devices that had storage but also a way to connect my other accessories like gamepads or single joysticks
sadly not everyone has the finances to go with branded NAS solutions. Myself I'm consider a DIY nas/home server solution instead...less cost than a branded Synology or Qnap solution..+ cost of the NAS hdd/ssds to add to said NAS solutions.
with a old pc as a nas you will spend 100$ easily. Also the hdds you need to buy for sure. The benefit of spending 100$ more on a nas is that you dont have 3x more electricity cost. So my nas need around 35$ per year and when you use a normal pc it is for sure 100$ or more its could be easily 200$ per year. Another poroblem is the software that is on synology really good. I use the ds223j
@@Herojak646 if you happen to select an older PC to invest in for a starting NAS, it doesn't have to be so expensive. I chose a Lenovo Tiny PC M710q model, that has 16GB RAM an Intel core i5 6500T 4c/4t cpu 35W TDP which only cost me $120 CAD. I have a Raid-1 DAS enclosure connected via USB3.0 as storage for the NAS, $60 CAD on AliExpress. I currently have 2 of 1TB drives config in RAID-1. Both my 1TB drives I was given from a friend. I am using Debian 12 Bookworm as the server OS and I have CASA OS running on top of Debian 12 for my home server needs. So when I am not accessing the DAS Raid-1 connected to the Tiny 710q the DAS goes into stand by. The core i5 6500T doesn't consume much power when it is in idle mode either. So operational power costs are low. I wouldn't use like an intel 8 core/6 core or a high powered Xeon x79 or x99 to run a home server not unless the needs were justified..
@FromSergio thank you for your reply if it works, I'm fine. I have about 700 4k and bluray movies plus photos and videos it would be nice to have another one at work for hyper backup just in case anything happens to this one.
£3 pre month for 200GB iCloud storage with across any iso device plus free private email relay is a good option not the best but not bad for average person.
@@jdcv17 personally, I go for WD reds (the type for NAS) depending on what you do with it, you might consider green, but reds are better, and will likely cost more. Synology does not have hard drives no. You can really use anything in their NAS.
Question. How is a NAS not just a glorified computer with RAID? Is the hardware specialized somehow? I'm just running my services in an old laptop that has a gtx1050.
Lose or break your laptop, and all your files, services, and the GPU are gone. Keep the laptop in safe place to preserve all that and it's failing its very purpose as a laptop and dramatically underutilising the GPU.
@@angeldude101You didn't answer his point tho? It is quite literally just a PC with more SATA connections maybe, but not enough to warrant the price increase. The software is readily available to just install as your OS on any computer of your choice, if you go with any of the open-source options, it's free. It is nothing more than a PC with a custom case.
@@LeegallyBliindLOL Oh, did it sound like I was promoting buying a computer advertised as a NAS? I was only trying to suggest some PC dedicated to act as a NAS, and a laptop (especially a gaming laptop) would not be the best choice for a NAS. It doesn't even need to be a "custom case." Just don't bother putting a discrete GPU in, and you could probably get away with a low amount of RAM and a low-end CPU too. TLDR: "getting" a NAS ≠ "buying" a NAS. I fully recommend the former. The latter? Eh, your call.
Synology kinda excels on the plus lineup... I would never get a rack mount from them personally. They also lock you into their drives for rackmount units. Yeah it's definitely an investment. But one of the best I've made to date
If a NAS is a "mass storage with a computer attached to a network" why not just buy an older standard atx PC and install the drives there? All for the fraction of the price of a NAS. NAS still doesn't make much sense to me.
the first thing i would say yes if you are connected to the net NAS is probably a good Idea but as for myself i have no data on my phone and where ever I go I dont have access to the net so
Now your Nas is your single point of failure. I suggest moving critical services like your home assistant to a virtual machine in a clustered environment. Don't thank me for it, I am just cursing you by letting you know about this.
storing your home security cameras locally is actually a risk, burglars now just need to destoy or steal your NAS to get rid of the footage. So store your NAS in a safe?
Depends on how much you want to store. If it's 2Tb or less go w cloud. If it's more, and something you want to keep for 20years. It pays for itself quickly
I have a dedicated proxmox server for VMs but to be fair docker can easily replace 99% of VM use cases and containers run just fine on a NAS such as this one
Yeah it can be, a usb c SSD is usually 10gbps in speeds ~ 1000MB/s. Which is the same as a 10gbps connection. But it doesn't stop there. You can get a NAS with a 25gbps connection assuming your PC also has a 25gbps NIC which is 2.5x faster than a regular USB C external SSD. It doesn't even stop there.
@@FromSergio However, if I pair with good enclosure like ZikeDrive with DRM SSD, I could reach 3800mbs read and write speed. If you talk about speed, I don't think even SSD Nas can compete with that. However, NAS is for different purpose. Like you mention, like your own local server.
@@jinraigami3349 Well if you happen to get 100gig NICs on NAS + PC thats 10000mbs read 😅 of course thats very expensive and youd need at least 20 bays of SSDs on the NAS + a ridiculously nvme setup on PC so yes nothing will be faster than your enclosure within a reasonable price, I have one myself and am featuring it in the next video!
@@FromSergio I saw a 48tbb SSD NAS video, and it already costs $17.5k USD. lol. I can't imagine how much it would cost for this "Well if you happen to get 100gig NICs on NAS + PC thats 10000mbs read 😅 of course thats very expensive and youd need at least 20 bays of SSDs on the NAS + a ridiculously nvme setup on PC" lol "so yes nothing will be faster than your enclosure within a reasonable price, I have one myself and am featuring it in the next video!" Can't wait for it.
It is very hard to learn what one needs to know to make a Mac user like me feel comfortable buying a NAS. As with so much that goes on in the "IT" world, the subject of NAS drives looks like an area where the makers and sellers of NAS drives have failed to do some basic thinking about their intended customers. Clearly, they think every person who needs a NAS is either an IT expert or someone interested in becoming an IT expert. By their own approach to the market, they are writing off the vast majority of the market: the average consumer. Want a NAS? Well, either you become an IT expert or it's not for you! Quite frankly this is the most unintelligent approach to selling an "IT" product imaginable. What people need is a product that they can buy, bring home, connect, and it will walk them through setup, connect their network and devices, and then, just work. I for one, DO NOT understand how anything can be offering spinning drives in this day and age. Slow, unreliable, horrible spinning drives. WHY? I mean, what on God's green earth are these people thinking? Are we using coal-fired steam-driven cars still? No? And why not? OLD, UNRELIABLE, SLOW, etc, etc. So before we begin looking at anything, I am not interested in hearing about spinning drives! Where are the small, SSD-based, compact, reliable, fast, user-friendly, and simple-to-operate NAS options??? From your video, it sounds like a NAS would be incredibly useful. What a pity no one makes a NAS fit for consumers. However, if you made a video specifically for Mac owners, you would probably get a lot of response. But include everything, what to buy, and how to connect Macs, iPhones, and iPads.
You just went on and on and on about how you won’t need cloud storage and then you said you also pay for cloud storage. What is with the annoying beeping noise in the back of the video?
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Where are the Backup services from blaze for less than $5/mo? I only found plans starting closer to $10/mo.
Maybe a series like mastering NAS will very cool...
That's a great idea, I'd be happy to if there's interest!
@@FromSergio Here's interest! 🤓
^^^
Yes, please!
I’d be interested as well!
NAS are a gateway drug to learning IT :)
And the best one! :)
*_"NAS are a gateway drug to learning IT"_*
As an experienced IT guy I consider that a rather weird comment.
@@PeteDunesI am an IT professional. Enterprise Networking at a data center. I 💯 agree with you. That was a very weird comment that made me cringe
While there are pros and cons to owning a NAS, this video gets a bit confusing at times. It seems to focus more on the storage part rather than the networking and compute aspects, which are definitely more complex. Having a NAS is neither a starting point nor a prerequisite to learning dockers,linux etc. There are more complex concepts involved, and getting a NAS is not something I would bother with if thats your goal. A better advice to learn these things would be to get a rpi or a cloud provider free-tier account and learn. Also having a NAS without proper networking in place is either going to limit your applications or make your content more prone to attacks. This is something which most cloud providers are going to be better at, not to forget being able to reach the disk with probably better connectivity than your ISP. The cons should be properly explained here.
AFAIK owning a NAS is only worthwhile if you have lots of media files you dont need to access from everywhere and money is factor (doorbell footage, dslr raw files, plex etc come to mind)
So if I have a shit ton of media files and just need them stored somewhere only need to access them once in a blue moon when I’m at home, then this device is good? (We’re talking like 100,000’s of RAW files and video)
@@devindoucette4958 Short answer: Yes. If you can afford it, go for it.
However it might be an overkill for your situation. If you just want to connect to your media files at home, from 1 PC, Pcie (in most cases a USB cable) would be the fastest (in most cases i.e fast data cable), cheapest and most secure. Get the right cable and you're set, just connect to your PC and go. It doesn't require any compute/networking and will be the most secure.
If you want to connect to the storage via network/wifi you need a networking access and some compute with it. I would suggest using an old PC/RaspberryPi, leave it powered on and connect to your storage via usb. From there just configure the network on it (ethernet or wifi) and use a protocol to allow remote connections and file transfers (SSH with SFTP/Samba/FTP etc). This is basically DIYing a NAS, but will be cheaper.
@@devindoucette4958 this is exactly why you need one, it also can do much more actually.
homebox ,this is a "portal" you can host on that device and it serves as a home inventory management (you can check a demo on their page to see how easy it is) and this is just to name one of endless other services (cloud drive, cloud photos, media server , host your own vpn... ) that you could use for your own /family "IT" needs that you would usually pay for monthly..
@@devindoucette4958yeah a NAS is great for that
It will be fine for that purpose yes, thats pretty much all I use mine fort at the moment.@@devindoucette4958
Oh my goodness. I'm well versed (but a bit rusty) in Linux, but I will be in needing some media storage in the nearish future. So you've given me a lot more ideas to think about. And it's awesome that you use Home Assistant and automate your home. I have one camera (we used to have quite a few but that was several years ago and they've aged poorly) and also use HA to run my household - as well as a couple common voice assistants. For me it's mostly motion detection in rooms so that lights come on when I enter. I started following you for the Obsidian topics, but I'm staying because you're into a lot of the fun stuff I enjoy. This video explained a lot more about NAS in a way that made it easy to follow along even though it's kind of unfamiliar territory for me. Keep up the great work!
That's great to read Gaelyne! Thanks for sharing and for the kindness! :)
How is the sound level on that? I got a big tower rack with multiple drives, but the noise is just insane. Especially with WD Red drives.
I started with a NAS, now I have a full home-lab lol
Same here! That's how it starts :)
Fr start with a window server with file share as nas now 4 home lab with proxmox 2truenas and pfsense
Its just feel nice when you deplay something i might be addicted to deploying nore stuff
Great video! Could you make a video on how you setup your NAS for the camera backup, home assistant and the auto backup?
I'm afraid my audience wouldn't be as interested as you are :(
We are interested.
This is me a year ago. Paying Google and Dropbox...it sucked and do you even own your data? Now I have a Synology NAS and from there started a Proxmox homelab server. Now I'm conteplating a home built NAS with NVME drives for fast storage. Getting a NAS was really a game changer for me.
Found you for the obsidian content. Funny, I just bought a 4 bay nas as well. Getting it set up atm
Great timing! Enjoy :)
I still don't understand few things:
1. NAS as media server would require me to have media content locally, but almost all the content I watch is on Netflix, Prime, RUclips, or some other streaming platform. Are you suggesting to download that content and watch locally later? Like piracy?
2. I need to ensure constant power supply and whenever I am travelling for a large duration, I will still need to keep everything running at home, and thus extra cost of power/electricity.
3. Cloud applications provide a lot of benefits which are not available in nas os. Example google photos for image/videos.
4. 2tb google one membership is cheaper than maintaining an own NAS + cost of hardware + reliability - benefits of google software.
1. You store your own important data there. Let's say you are a videographer that has hundreds gigabyte of file then NAS will be a really great option
2. Yeah, everything has it's price
3. You're correct. But there is people who don't want their data to be seen by Google or any other cloud services, especially if you running business that contains really important data. NAS will make sure the data that you own located on your own house instead of server in the middle of nowhere.
4. Correct. But again, there is some kind of data that people don't want to upload onto the cloud services
My NAS is great, learned a lot and got my stuff out of primarily being hosted in Google and Dropbox cloud services. The major downside for me at the moment is noise. I have my two bay NAS in a closet and it runs constantly with a low-level disk access noise going on...there's no way around that without replacing the NAS with all NVME storage which is a big outlay after having created the NAS just 1.5 years ago.
Loved the video, man! You gave an awesome overview - great job!
Thanks Frank! Lovely to see you here! :)
Great video! This is what we were looking into. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Local NAS doesn't protect your data from flood, fire, theft, or natural disaster. Another off-site solution is necessary, doubling the hardware cost of your investment along with bandwidth limits from your ISP.
I guess i have less risk, flood doesn't happen in my place. We are on a high ground
I rotate disks from home, to a security box in a bank, then to a relatives house just over the state line, then back again. I usually do the rotation at least once a month.
So each location has some version of my stuff…home is the newest, the bank vault is second newest, relatives house is oldest.
Of course, disks are encrypted…256 bit XTS-AES
Also have one more in the cloud…mirrors realtime closely, so that is first go-to if needed.
Local NAS, Cloud, & External Storages if you want multiple backups
Or use backblaze at $99 for unlimited cloud storage for a year.
@@cake5000 yeah, I came close to that several times, but I detetmined that i want to be in full control and ownership of my data and the policies and tools used to maintain it.
Here is a short list of cons to something like backblaze (for me personally):
-Data Security and privacy…still need to trust their encryption or do your own end to end encryption.
-Data Sovereignty…they may eventually move their servers to other countries with different laws and regulations regarding privacy…or our own laws may change…potential to open data to government access.
-Ongoing costs that may increase. Also, they charge a lot when you want to retrieve your data.
-Data transfer speeds…can be slow going up and especially retrieving, like in an emergency.
-Dependent on internet access
-Changing to a different vendor for whatever reason would be a pita.
-Potential for service disruptions, when you need to get your data.
In general, limited control of my data.
To be more clear though, I have all my devices backed up automatically to a central 42TB nas (after raid 5), in my house. I also have digitized family videos, photos, etc there.
I back that nas up to a large external drive and that is the drive I move around. I have 3 of those drives, as per my rotation schedule above.
The ‘cloud’ i am using is still my own, because I was able to secure 1U rackspace at a local facility and keep my own equiptment there, for pretty cheap. But if that changes, then I stick to my rotation only.
No ongoing cost (just maintenance and potential to replace a disk once in a while, hardware keeps getting cheaper), no privacy concerns because of my own encryption, etc.
If I ever wanted to, I can just point my nas at a service like backblaze, then at least my data would already be encrypted before it even hits their servers.
But that’s me.
A NAS is not a backup - I couldn't agree more. It is shocking how many people think it is.
My only issue with them is the challenge of being able to fully back them up and have them in another physical location requires more resources and complexity than just backing up to a hard drive and doing multiple copies of that
Hi I don’t really understand how any of this stuff works, but basically, this thing lets me plug a hard drive into a router and make it accessible to any device in the house? How does it work? For example, I have a hard drive right now with a few terabytes worth of movies, anime, and video game ROMs. Can I put all that stuff in the NAS and then access that stuff through a regular looking folder on my PC, MacBook, iPad, and iOS? Does that stuff need to be downloaded to my computer’s actual storage to be used? How does it work?
NAS is a file server. A server is just another computer which "serves" you with the thing you want. In this case, it's files. So NAS acts as a data-storage computer that is accessible over the local network (and on internet too if you want to expose it). You would need to setup the NAS just like how you would setup another laptop, but most ppl use linux OS since its free, lightweight, and open sourced (this part takes a bit of learning curve as FromSergio mentioned). But once you've setup NAS, you can configure a "shared folder" on NAS that will popup on your MacOS' Finder app or Windows' File Explorer. At this point you can interact with that folder just as you would with a regular folder on your local computer. Hope this helps!
I stumbled upon this channel, solid content. Subbed.
Thanks! Much appreciated! :)
Best overview on why I need a NAS I've seen thus far. As a result, I know its the solution I need and have an idea what options I should consider. @FromSergio I appreciate your effort in this video.
That's great to hear, appreciate the kind words! :)
You’re amazing and deserve so much more in terms of viewership and subscribers. I didn’t know anything about this where to even begin in terms of usage where to start and what I would need. Thank you so much. You have no idea thank you
Thanks Fatima that really means a lot! Super glad you enjoyed it :)
I don't understand how people make some leap of logic from external storage, to a NAS. That's like going from a scooter to a sports car. Its stupid.
Instead, a far more elegant solution that will fill most peoples needs for FAR CHEAPER, is simply to re-use old HDD/SSDs as archival storage, and use a HDD caddy to plug them in to a computer to access, without the need to open up the PC and fiddle about with SATA power and data cables. Effectively, turning your old 1TB+ HDDs in to USB sticks, in a way. Or at least you can treat them like them, plugging them in and out of your PC like one through the caddy.
Not to mention this saves a lot of money not only on the price difference of caddy vs NAS (£20-30 vs £100-£200+) but also on power costs, because its not on all the time unless you want to do that, and still offers most of the same benefits like automatic backup, if you set that up. The only real thing you lose is the ability to access data anywhere anytime but honestly for 99% of people, that kind of data will be in the form of forms, documents etc, and so using google drive, one drive, dropbox, will all suit your needs.
This really makes me want to get a Synology NAS. Well done!
Thank you! :)
I’m à fiction writer and always feels that a nas (at those prices) is a bit overkill… don’t know I have an iCloud subscription with Apple Music and it’s seems to be enough…
I’m not sure for non technical workers if it really fit…
Great and really clear video btw
Thanks! As long as what you have works for you and you're happy with it :)
@@FromSergio 😅
A nas is more than your icloud. You can’t automate your computer backups to iCloud and boot from network. Saving your ass when your only computer crashes. You don’t pay monthly for it and that is just scratching the surface. Stop giving away your money to these companies and buy an old workstation for $100 and take your data back from these companies that sell it without your consent.
Unless you’re a hobbyist I don’t think it’s worth it tbh I run plex off my pc but that’s about it
@@xObscureDarknesskinda agree with you. Didn't do much more than you for a long time. Until my passwords were shared online. (via a hack of the antivirus company I use ). Which led to me battling to regain control of a lot of stuff. Since then I have been using it for more than media. I have a locally hosted password manager that has 2 factor authentication. (Bitwarden) I also removed all of my personal files backed up online as it's only as strong as the password protecting them. (Not even then, with cookie stealers.)
I am a big fan of the 3-2-1 backup plan, 3 co-pies of data, 2 copies local and 1 remote. Im a big synology fanboy too
You should see my dads face when I tell them i need to put this other computer running 24/7 at his house so that I can have proper 3-2-1 backups
I repurposed my old PC into an xpenology system in a node 304 case and it rules. Cost next to nothing compared to a synology, it’s more powerful, and I get all the software benefits.
You stated that the nas will backup your photos automatically, my question is what is the app used to automatically backup my samsung phone and tablet?? regards .. I have a Synology Nas
you convinced me to get the DS1522+
Great choice! :)
What’s the sound level on the synology? I’ve been eying one, but the only Ethernet in my rented house would be in the living room behind the couch 😢
Pretty low. I have it populated with 4x8TB wd red plus (also in the living room) without a problem and I’m quite sensitive to noise as well. Your choice of drives matters the most. Enterprise drives like Exos are much noisier than wd reds/ironwolf!
The sound for the most part is pretty inaudible. The only time I notice any sound at all is when my NAS gets backed up to the cloud. My NAS to cloud back up periodically goes through all the files on the disk to verify what has changed so does a lot of reading so very busy. In normal usage or backing my PC's upto the NAS I don't notice it. I also have the Synology 4 drive 920+ which has 2 fans in the back, a 2 drive NAS would only have 1 fan so is even quieter. For note I have mine populated with 4 Seagate Ironwolf drives. I have used a Synology NAS since 2012 and would never look elsewhere . My first one was given to a colleague and it is still going strong . I have no idea what Synology support is like as I have never had to call them. Also with Synology if there is a time when you know they will not be used you can schedule them to power on and off at different times not that they cost much to run anyway.
Thanks for this introductory information :)
I think I have the exact same model and when it works, it's great. But I have SO much trouble connecting to it. It does not stay connected and every time I try to connect it rarely connects. Often I want to throw it out the window, it is so frustrating. It seems you need to be a network expert to get and keep it working. It is possible our router might be the issue, but I don't know how to determine that. We have the TP-Link Archer AX6000 which is supposed to be good, but maybe not? I am just so frustrated with our Synology NAS and wish we could use it for more tasks. I must be doing something wrong, but I don't know what I am doing wrong.
Those WD hard drive are super super slow. I put one in my PC, uggggh, I'm gonna just put it in my nas as part of a media server
Oh, as a boot drive on a PC of course they're slow!
Damn u sold me on nas, I never even realized u cld access the drives from anywhere like that!
Cool, so when are you going to talk about how much that little setup costs?
Hi Sergio,
Could you please tell us what model of cameras you use?
Thank you
Hi Paulo you can find all of my gear in the description but I use the sony ZV-E10 with sigma f1.4 as well as an A6400, depending on what I want to capture :)
I have a lot of extra drives and this seems very useful I might actually do this. Thank you smart internet stranger
Thank you kind internet viewer! Happy new year!
Thanks! this is what I want to know. I also like your lighting gear. Can you share the details of the lights that you used? And what is your 4K setup?
Thanks! My gear is in my kit in my description :)
Great video!
Thanks Rene :)
I really like your content! Very informative! Continue bro!
Thanks Anton it's super appreciated :)
Thank you man, I am currently studying for my networking exam, and you explained it really well! Keep things up!
Just saw this, thanks so much! :)
one of this day it would be fast enough that where you can store you game files in these storage and play though games from your separate storage at that time i might think of getting one
But just like google wouldn't the company that manufactures the NAS be able to keep track of your data since its also connected to the internet like any other cloud service?
No it's your network and your drives it's your server it's not attached to another server
How do you back your phone up to your own NAS? I don’t think it’s possible on an iPhone?
What security camera set up are you using?
Ubiquiti. I do still have some eufys outside though
I wanted to have a nas server but it didnt fix my problem, i wanted a one devices that had storage but also a way to connect my other accessories like gamepads or single joysticks
sadly not everyone has the finances to go with branded NAS solutions. Myself I'm consider a DIY nas/home server solution instead...less cost than a branded Synology or Qnap solution..+ cost of the NAS hdd/ssds to add to said NAS solutions.
with a old pc as a nas you will spend 100$ easily. Also the hdds you need to buy for sure. The benefit of spending 100$ more on a nas is that you dont have 3x more electricity cost. So my nas need around 35$ per year and when you use a normal pc it is for sure 100$ or more its could be easily 200$ per year. Another poroblem is the software that is on synology really good. I use the ds223j
@@Herojak646 if you happen to select an older PC to invest in for a starting NAS, it doesn't have to be so expensive. I chose a Lenovo Tiny PC M710q model, that has 16GB RAM an Intel core i5 6500T 4c/4t cpu 35W TDP which only cost me $120 CAD. I have a Raid-1 DAS enclosure connected via USB3.0 as storage for the NAS, $60 CAD on AliExpress. I currently have 2 of 1TB drives config in RAID-1. Both my 1TB drives I was given from a friend. I am using Debian 12 Bookworm as the server OS and I have CASA OS running on top of Debian 12 for my home server needs. So when I am not accessing the DAS Raid-1 connected to the Tiny 710q the DAS goes into stand by. The core i5 6500T doesn't consume much power when it is in idle mode either. So operational power costs are low. I wouldn't use like an intel 8 core/6 core or a high powered Xeon x79 or x99 to run a home server not unless the needs were justified..
Definitely a very well put together video...! THANK you! R.
Thanks! Sorry I just got back to you, was on break :) Much appreciated!
The section where he talks about backing up the NAS. AKA backing up the back up.... When does it fucking end!? Haha!
Great video. Recently, I set up my 1522+. I need to add another one perhaps bigger one in another location as a backup. I need a little help thanks.
1522 is definitely my biggest recommendation :) How about a lower tier model with less bays + higher capacity drives for your backup?
@FromSergio thank you for your reply if it works, I'm fine. I have about 700 4k and bluray movies plus photos and videos it would be nice to have another one at work for hyper backup just in case anything happens to this one.
£3 pre month for 200GB iCloud storage with across any iso device plus free private email relay is a good option not the best but not bad for average person.
Yeah for sure, but most people would not be watching this video :)
CRM for personal relationships.. That's something you need it you're dating several chicks in parallel. No more messing up names and back stories.
How much does it cost?
How did you install HomeKit in a non Apple hardware?
Very interesting, I think I’ll get one like yours.
What's the filesystem of your NAS?
BTRFS, i've used ZFS on other machines. They have their strengths and weaknesses!
Considering a nas after I replace my chair, but can we backup to Proton Drive somehow?
Proton won't let you do it unfortunately
did u just say "crm for perosnal relationships"? omg this is wild 😂
That was my reaction when I first discovered it as well, but it's done wonders for me! Probably the best service that I self host
@@FromSergio Could you make a video on your approach to CRM someday? 🫶
@@FromSergio I guess it's better to use Obsidian for this purpose than Monica CRM.
Do you run your obsidian vault on your NAS and access it remotely? Or do you keep it local on your current computer?
Local but synced with Synology drive!
"12 security cameras" I love how he is so relatable
To be fair that's like a $400 home security kit from Costco. Not some crazy out of this world set up.
When the small low powered NAS without any drive costs as much as or more than a reasonably powerful computer, the choice is simple.
Buying a low power pc is more than enough if you gonna build one Synology are just plug and play its expensive.
I mean, thats literally a back up, I trust my house not getting destroyed more than I trust some internet cloud service
Sure, I'm just more on the paranoid side, the house doesn't need to burn down, it could fall, water damage, or straight up stop working if its old.
Good video.
Thanks! :)
More videos on NAS, please. Have you tried WD? I think their products are a bit cheaper and a lot easier to get where I'm from.
Glad you enjoyed this one! WD's mycloud is a far inferior product to synology. The OS plays a big role and DSM is miles ahead of the competition.
@@FromSergio Alright, I'll try to look more into Synology. There's probably a store/s I could get them locally.
Synology ain't cheap, but it's worth it, remember you need to account for the disks prices too when budgeting for a NAS
@@lurst Yeah. What would you recommend then? I'm aware of Seagate and WD. Which goes best with Synology? Or does Synology have disks too like WD?
@@jdcv17 personally, I go for WD reds (the type for NAS) depending on what you do with it, you might consider green, but reds are better, and will likely cost more.
Synology does not have hard drives no. You can really use anything in their NAS.
Yeah but as a dev on Mac, there’s a large benefit for the memory sharing and quick access from the ssd. NAS won’t be quicker over WiFi
It's good for storage
Does it combine ssd into one .means if I put 2 of 1 tb ssd ,it will show 2 tb on computer.
Great video!
Can I use a nas to back up old pc games ?
I bought it, but still not sure if I really need it.
Are you sure this video wasn't just a chance for you to show off the fact that you bought a $3,200 NAS?
super overview, I'll really consider buying one in the not-so-distant future
I'm glad, thanks for watching! :)
Always have a back up of your important files somewhere else. One house fire and puff...
Back that NAS up
Yup preventdisaster, have one copy off site, slow goggle drive backup
I still don't see the advantage over having one HD and another one for backup. I only need a SBC like a Raspi for that.
but how about security? are they safe to use?
As safe as you make them! You could even have them fully offline so that only you in your local network can access it.
Question. How is a NAS not just a glorified computer with RAID? Is the hardware specialized somehow? I'm just running my services in an old laptop that has a gtx1050.
Lose or break your laptop, and all your files, services, and the GPU are gone. Keep the laptop in safe place to preserve all that and it's failing its very purpose as a laptop and dramatically underutilising the GPU.
@@angeldude101You didn't answer his point tho? It is quite literally just a PC with more SATA connections maybe, but not enough to warrant the price increase. The software is readily available to just install as your OS on any computer of your choice, if you go with any of the open-source options, it's free. It is nothing more than a PC with a custom case.
@@LeegallyBliindLOL Oh, did it sound like I was promoting buying a computer advertised as a NAS? I was only trying to suggest some PC dedicated to act as a NAS, and a laptop (especially a gaming laptop) would not be the best choice for a NAS.
It doesn't even need to be a "custom case." Just don't bother putting a discrete GPU in, and you could probably get away with a low amount of RAM and a low-end CPU too.
TLDR: "getting" a NAS ≠ "buying" a NAS. I fully recommend the former. The latter? Eh, your call.
"you will learn about hardware, but more importantly software"
ANGRY HARDWARE DESIGNER NOISES!
”And all of this is, is an ASS!” 0:15
bruh... NAS is far from cheap xD
Make yer own for fun
You can make NAS with cheap PC. You don;t need to buy all in one NAS. You can DIY it with only cheap PC & storages you have
Gonna fill my old computers first.
And the one you have is only....760€
Yeah, not the cheapest, but I bet it's worth the money.
Also, a Synology 16 drive rack NAS is only 3700€
Synology kinda excels on the plus lineup... I would never get a rack mount from them personally. They also lock you into their drives for rackmount units. Yeah it's definitely an investment. But one of the best I've made to date
If i use this for internal storage like i have one file and 5 people work on it and i connect this nas with internet cable with the help of switch
Is this possible
Hi, just saw this! Yes absolutely!
amazing vid. info & experince based. just amazing. learned ton of stuff. like & sub.
That means a lot! :)
If a NAS is a "mass storage with a computer attached to a network" why not just buy an older standard atx PC and install the drives there? All for the fraction of the price of a NAS. NAS still doesn't make much sense to me.
Synology is great but if you are managing 500-1PiB of data you need true nas
I use 8 16tb HDDs in 4 32tb clusters in raid 10.
the first thing i would say yes if you are connected to the net NAS is probably a good Idea but as for myself i have no data on my phone and where ever I go I dont have access to the net so
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Now your Nas is your single point of failure. I suggest moving critical services like your home assistant to a virtual machine in a clustered environment. Don't thank me for it, I am just cursing you by letting you know about this.
storing your home security cameras locally is actually a risk, burglars now just need to destoy or steal your NAS to get rid of the footage. So store your NAS in a safe?
Nas has offsite backups, so no.
For $700, I can get so much cloud storage from much more reliable providers than some janky HDDs at home.
Depends on how much you want to store. If it's 2Tb or less go w cloud. If it's more, and something you want to keep for 20years. It pays for itself quickly
Please just dont do vm on a nas and get a second server or a server where you bild a nas on
I have a dedicated proxmox server for VMs but to be fair docker can easily replace 99% of VM use cases and containers run just fine on a NAS such as this one
Huh? I don't think Nas is faster than external SSD though. Especially when most of them peak at most like 500mbs?
Yeah it can be, a usb c SSD is usually 10gbps in speeds ~ 1000MB/s. Which is the same as a 10gbps connection. But it doesn't stop there. You can get a NAS with a 25gbps connection assuming your PC also has a 25gbps NIC which is 2.5x faster than a regular USB C external SSD. It doesn't even stop there.
@@FromSergio However, if I pair with good enclosure like ZikeDrive with DRM SSD, I could reach 3800mbs read and write speed. If you talk about speed, I don't think even SSD Nas can compete with that. However, NAS is for different purpose. Like you mention, like your own local server.
@@jinraigami3349 Well if you happen to get 100gig NICs on NAS + PC thats 10000mbs read 😅 of course thats very expensive and youd need at least 20 bays of SSDs on the NAS + a ridiculously nvme setup on PC so yes nothing will be faster than your enclosure within a reasonable price, I have one myself and am featuring it in the next video!
@@FromSergio I saw a 48tbb SSD NAS video, and it already costs $17.5k USD. lol. I can't imagine how much it would cost for this "Well if you happen to get 100gig NICs on NAS + PC thats 10000mbs read 😅 of course thats very expensive and youd need at least 20 bays of SSDs on the NAS + a ridiculously nvme setup on PC" lol
"so yes nothing will be faster than your enclosure within a reasonable price, I have one myself and am featuring it in the next video!" Can't wait for it.
The disk(s) would be a bottleneck
Your accent made think....humm.......port....nah.....then your wifi socket yes....he is portugueses. Well done thank for your video
Wow, well spotted! Thank you :)
Ok? Just buy a shit desktop pc off Facebook and but a Sata card in there now you got a 70 nas that can also do other task and a lot more storage space
It is very hard to learn what one needs to know to make a Mac user like me feel comfortable buying a NAS. As with so much that goes on in the "IT" world, the subject of NAS drives looks like an area where the makers and sellers of NAS drives have failed to do some basic thinking about their intended customers. Clearly, they think every person who needs a NAS is either an IT expert or someone interested in becoming an IT expert. By their own approach to the market, they are writing off the vast majority of the market: the average consumer.
Want a NAS? Well, either you become an IT expert or it's not for you! Quite frankly this is the most unintelligent approach to selling an "IT" product imaginable. What people need is a product that they can buy, bring home, connect, and it will walk them through setup, connect their network and devices, and then, just work.
I for one, DO NOT understand how anything can be offering spinning drives in this day and age. Slow, unreliable, horrible spinning drives. WHY? I mean, what on God's green earth are these people thinking? Are we using coal-fired steam-driven cars still? No? And why not? OLD, UNRELIABLE, SLOW, etc, etc. So before we begin looking at anything, I am not interested in hearing about spinning drives! Where are the small, SSD-based, compact, reliable, fast, user-friendly, and simple-to-operate NAS options???
From your video, it sounds like a NAS would be incredibly useful. What a pity no one makes a NAS fit for consumers. However, if you made a video specifically for Mac owners, you would probably get a lot of response. But include everything, what to buy, and how to connect Macs, iPhones, and iPads.
Наконечно я нашел место где буду хранить свою коллекцию мемов и хентая...
This guy has no clue what he is talking about, but I appreciate the effort!
Why not use SSDs?
You just went on and on and on about how you won’t need cloud storage and then you said you also pay for cloud storage. What is with the annoying beeping noise in the back of the video?
Imagine trying to game on it lol