Bad Game Design - Super Mario Party
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2019
- One year after release, Super Mario Party has yet to get any DLC or updates, but that's not the only issues it has. Today on Bad Game Design, let's talk about how an obvious slam dunk fell short, and how it could improve.
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When you realize that the DS version has more maps than this
I miss it
Mario Party DS is one of my favorites... even the single-player/story-mode was very enjoyable
I'm goings to say the a word.
Mario Party Advance
Mario party ds maps were sooo cool and original. I also lived the storyline of them being shrinked, because it added more possibilities for games. lastly, the bosses were amazing (to me at least)
And bigger ones.
You didn’t even mention how OP allies are. They are the only thing that allow you to travel faster and they basically guarantee you the victory in some minigames.
birdeynamnam and there‘s TWO bonus stars concerning allies, on top of the one about moving furthest, which you‘ll most likely get when you have allies...
They are just WAY too overtuned...
Peter Zweifel yes! omg uggghh
If there was strategy with allies, like they sometimes suck or sometimes they are out of the way, it would have been cool. But allies just broke the game straight up
Skeets McGrew bob-bombs are allies that suck. They’re only on one map though.
A good example with this is Bowser and the mini-game where the players have to be in a picture, blocking the others.
Bowser is big character, and has way more of an advantage in that mini-game. He pretty much takes up the whole screen, and smaller characters like Pom-Pom don't stand a chance. It's a guarunteed win for the player who chose Bowser.
Yknow what woulda helped the simple nature of the boards?
Having more than 4 boards.
@Lonic Professor Levi what the fuck are YOU doing here i don't fucking know you neither does he
Lonic Professor Levi I mean, youtubers arent just robots that create videos. They are ACTUAL people like everyone else.
@@FredDoesStuff0423 I thought he was a goomba
Tyler Matthew *holup*
Yeah, more boards would be a great choice. I am thinking on buying it, but the small number of maps is underwhelming
I wish that every Nintendo game had as much effort put into it as Mario Odyssey and Breath of the Wild.
I can see that you’re probably pretty young or something, so let me try to explain this as best as I can:
Basically, game companies consist of a bunch of individual people, and those people work long hours just to make the games of great quality. Breath of the wild took like, what, 5-6 years to make? That’s just an assumption, with a minimum of 4 years. And since companies have to get some sort of money from their games, they have to make some games that have a little less effort put into them. If every game had to be made with that same amount of polish, we’d get like 2 or 3 games every year maximum. Which is why we need a few simpler games to supplement that.
Sorry if that’s too complicated, I tried my best to explain it
@@cheezbunni3530 well technically you're right but in a hypothetical world where 90% of games take 6 years to develop, after 6 years pass we'd have just as many games being released. Because a game may be started in March, then April, then May, so 6 years later we get 3 back-to-back releases. That's in an ideal world though. And we'd need more people developing games cause otherwise if games aren't constantly being thought up and started to be developed you would be right.
@@lair9792 In an ideal world, different people would work on different games, but Nintendo would be super poor if they paid this many people. Therefore, they focus on one or two quality games and shunt the rest, knowing you'll buy them anyways.
Another reason I was overjoyed with Retro Studios taking Metroid Prime 4. Nintendo didn't have the manpower. They have three main title series: MainMario, Zelda, Smash Bros. Zelda generally takes two consoles to make (TP on GC&Wii, BotW on Switch&skipping WiiU completely) while Mario is pretty consistent (SuperMario64, Sunshine, Galaxy, Galaxy2, Odyssey) one per console amazing products. It's gonna get harder to get better games unless prices go above the standard $60 (I'm willing to pay $120 for a game twice as good as normal, but not everyone can)
Nintendo doesn't make many games anymore aside from Super Mario, Zelda, and stuff like Arms and Splatoon. Most of the other "Nintendo games" are made by a couple of other devs who are all in a little pact with Nintendo to produce games exclusively for their consoles, and except for indie releases these are pretty much the only noteworthy games on the consoles. Nintendo seems to have found the crap that sticks with the Switch console-wise, but as for games they'll always be undermanned because their long history of policies that are hostile or unworkable for 3rd party devs means that they and their cabal are really all there is making Nintendo games, and consumers end up with fewer noteworthy games than on other platforms. And then of course the underpowered consoles are always a pain to develop for. Now most Nintendo games range from good to hall of fame-level stuff, and the indie market on the Switch is booming, but it comes at a price.
Cheezbunni it’s kinda rude to just assume he’s young even if he is.
I can't believe *_Mario Tennis Aces_* of all things got extra content for ages, while Super Mario Party got *_nothing_*
It's probably because the Tennis games are typically one per system while one system often gets multiple Mario Party games. It's likely they are saving DLC ideas for future sequels.
EuroMIX2 Maybe...
Here's what I think: Aces was rushed, and because of that, the developers couldn't add all the characters they wanted in the game at launch. So they decided to just add those characters over time.
Hudson Soft/Nd Cube make these party games at a rate of 1 per year at least so they probably don't see the point of support
Nintendo really tried to shove Mario Tennis down our throats.
They should pull a smash ultimate and put every board in the next game
But then that'd mean they'd remove Waluigi-
@@XaiEia a small price to pay for salvation
@@emu7997 but
What about those smexy dance moves
do you know how much development time that would take? The switch would be considered a "retro console" by the time they finished them all!
@@OpenKeith he didnt mention the switch. Just that they should pull a smash ultimate
I had a GREAT time with this game!!
The drive to GameStop to trade it in and pick up the DS version instead was great!
Moon101 FACTS. 😂
Mario Party DS is AMAZING, even just in singleplayer. Have fun with it!! 😄🥰
xD
you had me in the first half
Good deal.
Wow the switch version was bad enough it made you happy buying the DS version.
The DS Mario party is one of only a handful of games I trashed and it got the worst of it, snapped that sucker in half and threw it in my "documents to be burned" trashcan.
It was so bad thinking about it again makes me incredibly happy knowing that it's gone.
Perfect Mario Party:
1. Stars cost 20 coins unless the specific gimmick of the map is that they can cost more, or less, or there's a chance you don't get the star or whatever.
2. Maps are large and complex so that multiple routes can be opened, closed, or chosen based upon mechanics.
3. Removal of "go instantly to the star location" items unless they cost MORE than the Star itself does.
4. Only the winners of mini-games get coins. I don't like that people who lose the mini-games can still compete as effectively as those who win them. The reason the Boos existed was to help bridge the gap in player skill by allowing weaker players to steal coins or stars from those who were good at the game. A return to this method of play would be amazing. Players who aren't good at the mini-games should at least learn to be good at being treacherous and devious at the board game part.
5. All mini-games rely upon player skill with none that determine a winner at random. This isn't a casino.
6. Each player moves into their own spaces with nobody else accompanying them. No allies, no nothing.
7. A return of boss battles. I hated everything about the games that had these in them, but the Boss Fights were fairly fun mini-games. It would be nice if the "Bowser Mini-games" took the form of boss fights where players could screw each other over or work together to defeat the boss. This would at least make Bowser Spaces incredibly enjoyable even though everyone who loses gets screwed pretty hard.
8. Board traps and item houses are an interesting concept. However, it's annoying that there are so many variations of "just takes your coins". It would be interesting to have other unique effects like "if you have more than X on the dice block as you hit this, it stops you. If you don't, you can go passed without being hurt.". The traps should force players to use a bit of strategy in the board game phase or at least reconsider their decisions. They add excitement when done right and tedium when done poorly.
9. A reason to collect Stars and Coins beyond the board game you're playing. I very much enjoyed in early installments that you used Stars to unlock features and boards and used Coins to buy useful items in the game shop. I really hate using this crap to unlock pointless little artwork things. It would be cool to see a return to this type of feature. Give the singleplayer aspect of these games something to work towards... or a group of friends a larger goal beyond the boards. Maybe items in the item shop unlock. Maybe mini-games can be unlocked with coins. Maybe you can unlock other board rulesets on different boards (like say a stationary star with variable coin costs on a map that doesn't have it, provided you've paid to unlock the feature). Or, maybe you could unlock unique features for your favorite characters, like items only they can obtain, or taunts they could use, alternate skins for them, or a bonus buff that could be activated once every few turns on a board to give you an edge. I don't really care what the things are you get with the Stars or Coins, so long as it's useful to the game or interesting in some way. I hate unlocking artwork. I want to unlock features. I want some goals beyond "Okay, unlocked all the maps and characters, I'm done" because that takes running like 3 boards at most, and the rest of the unlocks are all pointless artwork you'll never look at.
10. Return to an overarching story. I know the story isn't the reason anyone plays these games, but again, I'd like a goal. Even if that goal is just to get to Bowser and kick his butt on the final map.
11. Minimum of 8 maps to play from the start and 300 mini-games.
12. More varied bonus stars. I don't mind the usual of "won most coins in minigames" and "landed on most green spaces", but I'd like to see some variation in this. "Held the most coins at one time" might be a good one. Or, "landed on the most red spaces". Or, I dunno, "traveled past the starting point the most times". I'd like to see a bit more added to the game. Things that could give players on the edge of winning an upper hand. Not things that are "foregone conclusions" every time you play the game. Might even be nice if you could unlock a list of reasons to award bonus stars, choose which ones you want to pick from at random, and decide how many bonus stars are going to be awarded at the end. Wouldn't it be kind of interesting if there were 25 or 30 reasons to award bonus stars and you enabled them all? Maybe not all the time, but a game every now and again like that might be kind of funny when the entire endgame stars are thrown all out-of-whack just by people randomly happening to get awarded some of the more weird bonus stars in a row. People in last place could actually end up winning the game at that point just because they won enough "bad luck" bonus stars (went the fewest amount of spaces, landed on most red spaces, landed on most bowser spaces, was holding the fewest coins at the end of the game, had the most stars stolen from them, etcetera).
13. Return of the "5 turns left!" bonus given to the player in last place. In some of the games, this bonus, if used correctly, could turn the tide of the game and get the person in last place a win, or close to a win. Now, it's just a minor thing that doesn't help at all. I'd like to see this bonus buffed some in order to provide a bit of nail-biting in the last 5 turns. You could even do something like, "player in last place is instantly teleported to the star and can buy it for half price". Or... I dunno, spaces on the board are doubled for just them. Or... shop prices are halved just for them. Or... dice block rolls are doubled. I'd like to see something that makes the starless last place player with only 5 coins given a chance. Mario Party always has massive gaps between the person in the lead and the person in last. It is rare that they are ever all that close together, so it would be sort of fun if the bonus awarded the player in last place could potentially push them into third, second, or even first place if things go right.
14. I'd like a "personal profile" page. Something that would track you and your stats. You know, your profile set the record on this minigame, so it lists you as the record-setter. You have played 586 total games. You've won 2057 mini-games. Just a little bit of personalization for yourself. A record of your accomplishments and achievements.
XxTaiMTxX also bring back reverse mushroom but make it cost more then it did before. The ability to use boo to steal multiple turns in a row is powerful and should not be the same price as a mushroom
Yes, your majesty!
I had to like this comment
You know, that’s a fantastic idea! 😁👍
15: make koopa kid come back
Make the animations faster, they are painfully slow.
The long animations and cutscenes make the atmoshpere really akward when you are playing with casual friends.
@@M_rld as far as I remember there is one only for the beginning but the rest of them don't have one
Jostam :'v true. Playing with a single friend we spent most of the time watching the CPU playing.
@@artofajax7199 the worst one I have ever played
Atmoshpere
3:12 This is actually really interesting because there's a similar board in Mario Party 7 but there's a big deviation: the Star starts by costing 10 coins, but then when someone passes the Star space it'll cost 20, then when another person passes it'll cost 30, then 40, and then back to 10. This added a good strategy element because it meant that sometimes you would want a LOW roll instead of a high roll depending on the price, and you could use it to screw over your opponents. For example, you could let them pass you when the Star costs 40 coins, at which point they may not have enough coins to buy it--and even if they do, it'll cost 10 coins when you pass it, saving you tons of currency.
But the Kamek board has a similar gimmick tho.. The star price change everytime someone buys one.
@@spongyoshi Yes, but the price change being random and stars being so cheap makes the strategy element much less meaningful.
That I can agree although you can still randomly change the star price with an happening event in Pagoda Peak
1 (I think), 6 and 8 also had linear boards with a star at the end:
- 1 is the sky one, and it alternates between offering a star and removing a star every time it gets bought.
- 6 is the pirate one, and it alternates between DK that lets you buy a star and Bowser that takes coins.
- 8 is also a pirate one with Goomba that gives you a free star every time your reach the end.
DS has something similar with the Music board ( I forgot its name).
One of my favorite boards was the DK Stone Statue board, which was linear and only had one star space, but the long route, shortcuts and the amount of turns were key factors on what you would do. Do you try to get a high number to make it the end quicker? Or don't take the shortcuts to collect the most coins? Both options have strengths and weaknesses, which made it so you could choose a strategy for this map.
how to perfect mario party:
mario party 1, 2 and 3 remake with all minigames and maps all in one
And a proper Online Multiplay! Literally perfect!
That is one of my gaming dreams, imagine this with online play! But sadly Nintendo sucks at anything online.
If it's not possible, I wish someone with a lot of motivation would make such a ROM hack.
And a map editor
When are we gonna stop pretending Mario Party 1 was a good game
And mario party 4
i have soo many good memories of mario party 8 on wii, i'm so sad how the last few mario parties have turned out :(
god, same. mp8 is one of those games i put hundreds of hours into as a kid.
...
of course, i played singleplayer against three cpus bc i had no friends but. still.
Tara Salmon Mario part 10 was fun
YOOOO MP8 was the *shit* man
yeah :( although i'll admit MP9s lineup of minigames are pretty solid
mp8 was the shit, the maps were so cool
The grueling cinematics during the game are like unskippable 60 second ads
Not to mention that you have to keep reminding everyone to press L+R together to start every mini game!!!
Ads for a game you already bought and are currently playing
It makes the game feel like a slog. Like it was designed for toddlers more than adults.
The newest Mario party's maps were so small, they would fit 5 times into one map from the DS Mario party.
MrButternuss true that.
Mario Party DS is one of my favorite games of all time, hands down. The boards were memorable, and the theme of the gang being shrunk down carried into the minigames and boards in the cleverest of way.
It’s severely underrated since it was cumbersome to play with friends, due to needing multiple DS systems to play multiplayer.
But I love it. Super Mario Party could really learn a thing or two from DS.
@@caseys2698 lmao the boards were garbage. Most were circles with one or 2 alternate routes.
Casey S same
Equinox are you sure you played mpds? Lmfao
@@lillrice27 I literally have it in my ds right now. Toadettes music room and kameks library boards are basically small circles with two shortcuts. The only difference is that kameks board can warp you to an even tinier circle route that traps you there until you warp out. Garbage boards.
Literally the first Mario Party for N64 has more stuff to offer than this!
The first 2 are the best.
Mario party 2 and 3 are utter classics!
@Firenze 64
As much as I respect Mario Party 1, it hasn't aged well. Mario Party 2 was a huge improvement, but felt more like an expansion. My pick would be Mario Party 3.
But the stuff in the first one isn’t good though mostly. I think 1’s boards have aged badly. Stealing coins for winning mini games is just stupid. Also, “ouch- my hands!!!” For too many mini games. I only barely prefer 1 over Super.
@@ultrairrelevantnobody1862 What about Mario Party 1 do you think doesn't hold up? The only problem I can think of with it is that one minigame that hurts your hand.
we haven’t had a good marioparty since 2007
TO be fair after Mario Party 8 things have got to the worse for the series.
Yea Mario Party 8 was so creative, addictive and competitive. Mario Party 9 and 10 were just horrible trash with this stupid idea of having everyone sitting in a car. Because of this shit idea it was impossible to think of any tactics to have an advantage because winning depends solely on luck. All you can do in those two games is literally just hope that it's your turn when the car goes truth one of the star fields. That's it. No thinking, no strategy, no suspense, nothing. Just rolling the dice. Boring shit. Mario Party Switch is quiet a lot better than 9 and 10 and it goes back to the roots to certain degree but still no competition to Mario Party 8.
Same! Also I love your YTPs!
Contrary to popular believe I think that Mario party 9 wasn’t that bad. Also this is coming from someone who grew up with Mario party 8
Mario party 9 had better mini games than 8
One of the rules of dice-based games that's balanced; High rolls must NOT rule, low rolls must NOT suck.
See: Dicey Dungeons
edit to clarify Dicey Dungeons is great about balanced dice rolls, not sayin it's bad.
That's why in my game, the person who rolls lowest always wins. /s
But low rolls don't suck in this game. It just falls to the player to figure out why.
Case in point: If you have one of the scenarios from the video, where the star is extremely far away, then your best option is to use your dice to make controlled landings on favorable spaces near you. If you pursue the star from a position of disadvantage, you'll only serve to get CLOSE when its collected, which then leaves you FAR again when it moves. So the prudent move in that situation is to spin your wheels for a couple of turns getting items and such, and maximize your chances of being the closest player on the NEXT star.
@@lagunax5645 I wasn't talking about this game specifically. Snowman was mentioning about when victory is decided based on the roll of dice, and not the decision of the player based on their roll, that's when the game relies too much on luck.
@@lagunax5645 the problem is the fact that allies exist, forcing a high roll game. Sure it starts out as a little bonus but more allies on you practically guarantee a +10 roll
Y’all, Mario party DS was so lit. It sounds like it should be one of the best, I’m surprised no one has talked about it
Mario party ds was my most played mario party, mario party 3 and 5 were the best imo tho
It's why it's the most expensive mario party game still! It's literally 60 euro's!
That was my absolute favorite, the single play was a blast and interesting, and the DS download play was a blast with a boatload of friends
@@terrorclawful I'm sorry but Mario party 5 sucks
It was one of the first DS games I’ve rented and played for myself when I was younger, so there’s alot of nostalgia tied to it, atleast for me. I remember bringing in my pink DS lite into class and gathering around a bunch of friends with their DS and we’d all have a big run on Mario Party as well as many other classic multiplayer games on the DS. Those were some good times.
Koppa's Tycoon Town and Windmilleville were my absolute favorite stages. They need to bring back a bid-wars style of stage like that at some point
I don't like windmilville, but KTT fixed all the issuses.
@@leonpaelinck I like Windmillville better
Bruh you predicted superstars
Lots of truth in this video. Super Mario Party was really fun, but the more you play the more you see just how uninteresting the non-minigame parts are. Let’s hope it gets a sequel that addresses these things.
polyhex MP8 is the best, change my mind
How the game runs the same mini-games more than MP1/2/3. I would honestly not buy a sequel unless they fix this one.
I hope everybody is on that same page...because this game was not worth $60.
I like ten the best
Oh hey polyhex!
I like Mario Party 7 a lot
In my opinion, Mario Party needs to adopt the Smash Mindset. I might not get why you want to play 10HP Stamina battles with 5 stocks, but go for it. I would love a Mario Party game with a robust map editor, online board play, and loads of custom settings like Star Cost, how many coins each space are worth, which items can be found in shops, and how many coins minigames are worth. That's my dream Mario Party. (Fight me on Koopa Tycoon with no coins from blue spaces, double minigame coins and free triple dice shrooms in the shop. Also let's have hexagon heat as the only minigame.)
Goddamn this comment gave me an erection, just imagining the endless fun you could have by having the power to tweak all the different settings like that. Also, can you imagine a smash style "EVERY BOARD/MINIGAME IS HERE!"?
A man can dream.
Yes, please. Now.
Mario Party Ultimate
So Mario Party Maker? I dig it
That is for sure one great ideia Nintendo must take into Mario Party. Wow
What people were expecting. A dozen or so boards, online party mode, dlc. What we got, 4 boards,terrible online, no dlc.
THANK YOU! I complained about this game a week or two after launch and got shit on by stans. It's not a great Mario Party!
Better than the last two.
Alec Holland that just makes it the least smelly shit
@@SchmergDergen That's true, but just because it's better than mp9, 10 and the 3ds games, that doesn't make it a great mario party right off the bat, as it still has several flaws.
That’s subjective.
I am forever apart of you wdym this game ain’t perfect but it’s good not great just good
I miss Mario Party 2. The costumes changing from board to board, the atmosphere changing with it. It was rad
I mean, there were only 6 characters
Yeah, the themeing was really fun in MP2.
@@wienerschnitzel1739 even though it only had 6 characters and 1 item slot, it was the most fun to play imo. Having a million characters and item slots doesn't make a bad game good, and vice versa
3 is my personal fave. 2, 3, and your choice of gamecube version (7 for me personally)
@@wienerschnitzel1739 And? I didn't say it was a perfect game. Besides, who wants to play as Piranha Plant or some shit? Six characters was enough, it's not a fighting game.
You don't know how many times I've "won" just to have the a friend who "lost" win for losing, lmao he won cuz he got the bonus stars from doing nothing at all
Yeah there have been games where I win literally every mini game and still lose the game because they got the “least spaces moved” and “best ally” bonus stars, stupid as hell
They should have played as Luigi.
When playing Mario Party 1, 2, 3 or even 5 or 9 I would pretty much ALWAYS win, to the point where my friends accused me of cheating or manipulating consoles. I have yet to win a single round in Super Mario Party 😂
I am in the opposite boat as u I always crushed my friends even tho they "won"
That's why I turn Bonus off (MP9, but you get the point!)
Honestly the series peaked at Mario Party 3. That game had a million customization options: Board Speed, Custom number of turns, Skipping CPU only mini games and mini game explanation screens...
It also had an incredible item system with many awesome items like the Reverse Mushroom, the Bowser Phone, and the rare items as well. The mini games were excellent too!
I’d love to see another Mario Party with the old-fashioned formula alongside Mario Party 3’s excellent mechanics, because it feels like there’s so much love put into Mario Party 3
Yeah the first three were amazing, but MP has become a cash flow generating series where they continue to have people brainlessly buy this game regardless if it's good or shit as long as it has the name "Mario" in the title. In that case, they spent less on developing the game and it has less quality but there are people who literally paid 60 bucks for this junk.
3 is the S-Tier. 2, 6 and 7 are up there as well.
8 is great too
@@cykablyat1466 i'm sorry, did you imply that the first game is good?
Are the gamecube ones bad all of the sudden? The fuck? 4 and 6 especially tops 1 and I’d argue 3.
Mario Party 8 and Mario Party DS were the pinnacle. After that the series dropped off rip
I played a TON of Mario Party DS. I was fun even in singleplayer.
Hudson weren't developing the games so yeah, looks like the new devs are not able to make a game that could hold those standards
2, 4, and 5 were the pinnacle
Mario Party DS is one of my favorite games PERIOD. It sucks that it’s so underrated cause it’s harder to play, needing multiple DS’s and copies of the game to play it. :/
And because of this I mostly played with computers, but it was still fun!!!
Funnily enough, these two are the only versions of Mario Party I've ever played
One issue I had with the whole gimmick of everyone having special dice is that companions ruin it. Why have the advantage of prioritizing specific roles when you just get numbers added on regardless?
Like let’s say I want to land on a space that’s 4,5 or 6 tiles away, so I take out my 4,5,6 die. Well great, now here comes Shy guy adding 2 to my roll making it pointless. Basically, their two main new mechanics synergize horribly with each other.
perfect mario party game pitch: one tiIe board, no dice, one minigame, fox onIy,
New SMP board: final destination
thanks badman jones
@@TheOneWaffle teIeport into the wiId bIue yonder, see then if your heart grows fonder
Evo Final: Mew2Knight vs Sleepybox
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I once was playing with my friends the first map, 10 turns, and literally someone got the first star after like 7 turns because there was always someone triggering the boulder, and then the star went pretty much to 4 tiles or so behind were everyone was, I literally just told them to give it up because there was literally not enough good rng in the universe available to allow anyone of us to reach the second star.
First of all: don't let NDCube produce MarioParty. NDCube made WiiParty... and that is what Mario Party has become: WiiParty with Mario Characters.
The thing is that NDcube is composed of many former Hudson Soft employees. Pretty much everyone involved with the old games are now involved with the new ones. The problem is that Kenji Kikuchi stepped down as director since 6, which is when the series started going downhill. Then he suddenly came back to direct DS, which explains why it was so good, but that was only a one time deal. If you want the next game to succeed, you have to bring back Kenji Kikuchi as the director.
Well Wii Party was actually good. The main "party mode" of Wii Party, Board Game Island, may have been the "original" modern Mario Party to some extent,but I always had fun with Board Game Island, because the goal IS to get to the end of the board, unlike modern Mario Party (well, except for Island Tour, 9 and 10, though the latter two doesn't guarantee a win when you reach the end with the car premise). Wii Party had more modes than modern Mario Party as well, most of which are really fun in my opinion (Spin-Off, Swap Meet and bingo are huge classics). All Modern Mario Party has are extra mini-game modes (and underrated opinion but I don't believe Mario Party needs online play) and modes that kinda bore me after one or two plays. NDCube obviously didn't create the great Mario Party titles (2-8 and DS) but I personally believe they did a great job with Wii Party. I do prefer classic Mario Party as well, but I heavily disagree that Wii Party was terrible like your comment implies.
I actually like Wii Party 100x more than Super Mario Party
@@Accrovideogames Went downhill since 6?
1, 2 and especially 3 are amazing
4 and 5 are kinda meh
6 and 7 were good, the best aside from the original trilogy.
I dont know... there doesnt seem to be any clear pattern here..
@@flariz4824 based on what i've seen online through the years, 2 through 5 are the most beloved. maybe 6 as well. so, i think there is a pattern. i have 4 only and the atmosphere it creates is actually magical and so fun.
You: Mario Party
Me, an intellectual: Sonic and the secret rings' party mode
Are we not forgetting the best Mario Party game, Sonic Shuffle?
Joshua Kent True intellectuals play Crash Boom Bang, scrub
Bruh legit played the hell out of that mode. Better than the actual game by far
200 IQ's play those games
420 IQ's play Shrek Super Party
Me going big brain time: *PAC MAN PARTY*
I've wanted the ability to choose the number of bonus stars and even select which ones or leave it to chance for years now.
Boredfan Gerrude yeah! Like, imo it’s best when you know the bonus stars beforehand because that way these three extra stars aren’t just up to luck, they’re objectives everybody in the game knows about and can shoot for! And with the ability to choose specific ones, people could also customize what objectives they want their games to reward!
They could even give us an option to give us random bonus start like they were in MP7, which would result in hectic games where everyone would have to consider all of their choices very carefully.
It's so puzzling that this hasn't become a feature yet.
@@AdeptArcanist though it would be really cool if say 3 stars became tokens at the start of the game and the tokens listed their objectives and the current leading player in said objectives
Looks like they FINALLY fixed the online mode. Two years after the game originally released...
My biggest problem with Super Mario Party:
Everyone having to push L+R together to start every mini-game!!!
There's always that friend that has to play the mini-game 5 times before starting the real one. ugh...
Tyler V.G. Guess that makes sense but I did like that feature because it made it so the first player can’t just start it even though no one else knows how to play it. So it fixed that but it makes sense that it could be annoying for that reason.
I like that feature
Also, the high-five thing that earns you coins when playing on teams. You're almost guaranteed to be wasting time waiting for your partner to high-five you to get useless coins (of which you earn in minigames anyway). I wish you could turn off that feature.
@@chai_burns preach!
They should just remake the original and call it “Mario Party Like It’s 1998!”
@SALT and with that, I'd say NdCube(?) only cared about the minigames, which are ONE of a lot of staples of Mario Party.
@SALT yeah. It was not a fanservice at all.
Mario Party 1 has aged very poorly. It would be hard to remake it without removing a lot. Single player minigames, rotary analog games, and the mushroom spaces would all have to go.
I’m glad they dumped the car but they clearly had the idea of “players should be near eachother and interact” bleed into almost all aspects of design. Smaller maps, lower dice rolls, linear paths, and much more display the exact disconnect Nintendo and its fans have always had, this time with a shiny coat of paint.
I did greatly enjoy this game when it came out tho, and if I ever go back it’s to exclusively play mini games.
Also also I never considered a super Mario party 2, if it happens I hope they listened even a little to feedback about this game. Thanks for the excellent video!
I didn't even know this game existed.
your logo looks like it's selected with the blue color
I only ever played Mario party 8 whenever I was at my friends house and I think that one had great maps! The Koopa hotel map was probably my favorite. The space map and mansion maps were also great
Finally someone who likes 8
@@radiantberserker8857 Who doesn't?
I feel like Super Mario Party is the most genuine "party game" in the series. Smaller rolls means that players never feel like they fall *too* far behind the others, and multiple players winning coins in minigames means that players that have never played before can still earn coins to spend on the map without relying on blue spaces or teaming up with the veterans. The way items work are simple and the minigames never have too many details to keep in mind.
What this means though is that this game feels less engaging for people that look for intense, skill-based deathmatches with their friends. Large maps had crazy events and strategies that players could utilize even if they're not close to the star to help themselves or hurt the other players, whereas this game only has simple and uninteresting events. Minigames aren't as high-stakes since every player earns coins, so you only ever feel like you're inching ahead when you win. Simple items can be understood easily, but inherently offer less interesting tools than the items from previous games.
Since the car from the previous games made thing mechanically simpler, as did the removal of stars and simplification of items, Nintendo seems to try for a middle ground with this game. Trying to keep casual players or non-gamers in mind as with the car titles, but also trying to go back to the experience they denied the core Mario Party audience. Since I feel like they're not going to make the "Mario Party" and "Super Mario Party" two parallel series, their best option is to give us options that let us tailor our games to be more of a "party game" or more of a "Mario Party game" at our discretion.
This. I haven't played a Mario Party game in over a decade, and I still break this game out and have a blast with friends. Especially with the 2 v 2, river raft, and music modes. It's a great party game that even my friends who dont play video games can enjoy.
I think a lot of people came into this game with very specific expectations, and rightly so I think, because it IS a part of a looong franchise. But mostly I hear people complaing about what it doesn't have in comparison to other games. If it just had a different name I think people would love this game and the criticism would vanish.
Related to the customizable settings for boards / AI: speaking as a gamedev, the industry has a specific term for many of these things. Game "oil", i.e. small enhancements that reduce frustration and pain points for players. It's a pretty common notion that even if you have a great game, it can be marred heavily by not addressing pain points. No "oil" means that awesome product creaks, squeaks, and farts all over your otherwise-pleasant gaming experience.
As for the greatly simplified board design / dice roll mechanics, I almost guarantee you that started as "Okay, let's go back to the drawing board and 1) throw away all of our conventions thus far while simultaneously 2) going back to the genre's roots and 3) simplifying the game mechanics and systems to make things *even* more accessible and bring in new players. Now that the Switch has garnered such a large audience, we will need to attract lots of more people and new generations to the franchise." So we get dice that deal in smaller numbers, levels that are much smaller too accommodate it. Smaller maps necessarily lead to overly simplified navigation. Each "section" of the map needs to have points of interest (so it needs to have a minimum size), but keeping it small means that you can only have a handful of these (maybe 4-5) with each of them taking up very limited space. Somewhere along the way, the top designers either lost sight of what their dedicated fanbase wanted as they tried to cater to the producers (leading to many of the complaints you mentioned), or someone brought them up, but production was too far underway and there wasn't enough funding / time to redesign things / add oil enhancements, etc.
Either way, with the way the online experience was mismarketed and the failure to understand the game's target audience properly, I think there was just a lot of businessy decisions infringing on designer's perspectives or old-school designers being moved to other projects and having new designers take the helm, making several mistakes along the way. I don't know what the backstory is in detail of course, so take with a grain of salt.
Yes
Me: *finally gets a switch* and let's see how they've handled some favorites like _paper mario_ and _mario party_
Paper Mario the origami king is Pretty good, but i cant finish it because There is a big glitch that cant destroy your save....that isn't patch yet..
@@GregTheAlien07 Shangri-Spa Vip card glitch?
@@juga1337 ye that game breaking glitch im waiting it to be patch
- The_RandomJoJoFan - It got patched if you didn’t know I hope you didn’t erase your save
@@Operation_Bagel thanks for telling me about it
Weirdly enough, I've only played Mario Party DS and my favourite part was the boards. I liked the living board game feel and the use of computer technology to add features to board games that would just be too cumbersome in classic board games.
This is why we need N64 and GameCube games with Nintendo Online. As much as I like nes and snes games, I'd like there to be more multiplayer games
I assume they'll get to 64 eventually.
It takes time to develop an emulator, so Nintendo is slowing down the SNES release dates per game to develop a proper N64 emulator in a year or 2 for Switch Online.
@@AwesomeGamer-om4hm A company like Nintendo can develope such an emulator within a few months. When a small team can develope from scratch a fully working Wii U emulator in this time, then Nintendo should be able to make an N64 and GC/Wii emulator. Nowdays, everybody knows how to make an emulator for these systems. We figgured this out.
@ Well, they have more things to work on too & the emulator in this situation is ONLINE. Project 64 is offline, but online emulators sometimes have a bit of low quality.
@@AwesomeGamer-om4hm More things to work on is no excuse in such a company. Companies like Nintendo don't have a limited ammount of workers. They just hire new for a ceriatn job.
Porting Wii U games to the switch is also not stopping them from developing new switch games at the same time and pace.
And Project 64 actually has online features. It is possible to play them online.
Developing an online enviroment for just an emulatir isn't something difficult either. It is no different than with any other game or software.
As someone who grew up on Mario Party 8, just rerelease that game with some quality of life changes and maybe some new boards, and that'd be my ideal Mario Party game lol.
After the release of super Mario party (and the upset that caused), there would be riots if Mario party 8 was the game they decided to rerelease
@@bswalem I wouldn't mind. MP8 is my second favorite in the franchise (only behind 6).
MP8 is like that one meme of Homer pinning back all his fat. It's got so much going for it on the outset but there's so much quality of life stuff that's awful, the most obvious being Nintendo doing the Nintendo thing and deciding every Wii game needs motion controls. I love MP8, and I think it stands to benefit from a remake so much, it'd be great.
Mario Party 8 is my favorite mario party game.
Although, the fact that I only played that, 9, and Super doesn't help.
Mario party 8 with Super Mario Party mini games.
Also, the best map is the one where you buy hotels and stuff and if you disagree then you’re wrong
They were so lazy with Mario Party over the years.
I mean Nintendo thought Mario Party was like a popular property. Well look at GameCube, that had 4 games for the system. All released during the lifetime of the system...
@@cimengngialah2735 I played MP5 on GameCube and enjoyed it a lot.
Super Mario party tried tho lol
@@HAFBeast91 5 was my absolute favorite followed closely by 6.
Nah just super. 9 and 10’s boss mini games were fun and all characters being in the same spot wasn’t that bad.
We finally got good online for the game... three years later
It's something
Nintendo lost me with the previous Mario Party game...where every single character was on the same vehicle and travelling together. That was...not fun at ALL.
At least they got rid of that.
It was horrible! In addition, who ever played bowser had to be stupid to not win most of the timr
I actually liked Mario 10 and the car, especially for Bowser mode. That said, I don't think they should use that design for back to back releases, and they had already done the cars in 9 & 10. So I'm glad they made a change, but the boards for the new game are so bland.
The car only existed because the new team wanted everyone to have fun and be a winner
I really like the idea of having characters with different dice. You could have three tiers - beginner, medium, and expert, that use d4, d6 and d8 respectively, and instead of the bigger die sizes meaning bigger numbers, it just means more variance. You could, for example, have Wario rolling smaller numbers but he also gets coins, or Yoshi could have a 1/8 chance of licking up coins from someone else
That gives me an idea. Different dice ranges for different maps. Small maps with 1-6, larger maps with 1-10 or even 1-12.
There should be two bonus stars that you know of in advance so you have specific challenges to work towards, plus one mystery bonus star
How to make the perfect Mario party game. What goes up and slaparazzi. That is all you need. You just play those games for an hour, and you have yourselves a perfect game.
I think it was Mario Party 8 that had the Monopoly style board? Where you had to invest coins into buildings on the map. Whoever was the biggest investor, claimed the star. If a building had a certain amount of coins invested total, it's star value went up.
This added a really fresh way to look at the board segments. Coins were more important, and you could strategize from last place rather than hope for a lucky chance roll.
technically it was 7 with windmillville but no one remembers 7 as being good sadly
Actually, both you and Sans are right; Windmillville was a Monopoly-type board in Mario Party 7, and the board you're referring to is Koopa's Tycoon Town from Mario Party 8. I'd like to see that concept return too!
though 8 was last good mario party and true how you say it both of you 3
i do wish it was not that simple with the mini game, still i love all mario party self 7 because 7 got this system of 8 (4 player with each there own cup or two people on 1 controller XD)
Koopa's Tycoon Town was amazing!
I think it's good but it just needs a little bit more. Still fun with friends
Yeah, I have a fantastic time with buddies. The complaints are warranted though. The thing that keeps it afloat for us are the awesome mini games.
then again you can argue that most games will be more fun to play with friends, so its not exactly a notable element.
Fun without this stuff, would've been ab blast with.
*When you realize that Mario Party DS is way more underrated and better than this.*
"Slow" that's the only word i use to describe this game, honestly is the second game i regret buying for my switch, i got it to play with my sisters and cousin one night, we were so excited since we love the minigames but it took us like one to almost two hours to finish one single game, we got bored half way because everything was so slow, and we were getting so much coins and stars, it didn't feel like a mario party game at all. That catridge haven't leave its box after that night.
Also the first game buying regret was that horrible adventure time game that was a horrible, slow, bad designed rpg. Bought as a gift for my sister, she played it once and no more, she keeps it just cause is from her favorite show.
@Insight Dude How do you regret getting it?
@Insight Dude Ok. I actually don't own it, but played it at a friends house and on demo kiosks. I didn't think it was bad or good, but just ok. I just thought this was due to the levels being early stages, but it seems many people are disappointed with it.
i think mario oddysey has fluid movement though i feel like unless your skilled to utilise it, it gets stale, my twin doesn't play it, she always loved the easier mario games. The capture system is ok, i wish the creatures were abit more interesting i feel like they didn't try really hard with it, i love the game for sure i adore it honestly it does alot of stuff other mario games don't.
When me and my friend played it, it was so fun I got it. Except I don't have anyone to play with anymore so I just play other games
Yeah true. The only fun here are the minigames. I'm so glad I borrowed it first instead of buying it right away.
Why they released a half finished Game?
To rerelease it half a year or maybe a year later as "new super mario party" with" added features" and "bonuses" and "extras never Seen before".
@maltese 84 I'll give ￥ou one gue$$
@maltese 84 Therese were Times at nintendo where "a New game" meant a new game. Today when you hear mario(Original sidescroller(only as an example))gets a new release, you neues to Figuren out if it differs strongly from the other ones, or is an old game with new gimmick
perfect mario party game? oh boy. let's go.
1: dices go from 1 to 10. of course. but then also...
2: custom dices for each character. heck yea. one of the best things SMP did. also looking at other games from the franchise...
3:top 100: yes. hear me out: returning games, the GOOD returning games. the classics that we know are good. this is subjective? yes. but, id make a survey with every game, so people could vote. another thing id also like to return would be...
4: returning maps. updated, returning maps. at max 1 from each game, but ideally, 1 from each "game era". of course, with a few changes, such as....
5: partners. yes, SMP did that right. it's fun as heck landing on a partner space, but the system would need to be redone. how? this is what i propose: start with a partner, and every 'x' turns, you get another one. by the way...
6: final 5 turns: give us something BIG. if it's a volcano map, make the volcano erupt. a forest? make it night and predators come out. a city? roadblocks get lifted, opening new paths... like event spaces. ecept on a bigger scale. talking about events, by teh way, that reminds me...
7:single player events. as in, modes. who remembers playing trough mario party one's minigame challenge? or mario party 3 story mode with the fun little battles at teh end? heck, even mario party 4's tank battles.... something to do now and then, that has to be fun... but enough about nostalgia, lets talk about
8: new stuff. I would like at less one new, amazing map. topple it off with a bowser map that combines every other feature in the previous bowser maps maybe. as well as a few new minigames, 10 should be fine. also, new characters, not as many as SMP, but the potential is there for sure. I for once would love to play as a koopatrol, or even kamek. dry bowser? you get the idea.
with that, it would be the perfect mario party i guess.
I hate partners because the second someone got one, the minigames would become favorable to that player. I think with your idea would work if you could get a partner at any time. Once everyone gets at least one, either given after x turns or whatever, then start doing partner minigames.
I think the return of orbs/capsules need to be addressed too. I think the capsule machine from mario party 5 and orb shops from 6,7 and 8 need to come back too
Have 9 + 10's car and Bowser party be seperate modes.
TeamRabbit Alec the chances aren’t actually that high that you land on a partner mini game when not everyone has an ally yet. It happens yes. But not enough for it to really be an issue.
I actually am not too sure about character-exclusive dice, as I’d worry about people picking characters to follow a “meta” instead of just picking favorites. Maybe there could be an item that replicates those character dice, instead of a character-exclusive die’s effects being applied to every roll.
An idea that I also personally had was that in online play, there’d be online-only maps made for shorter rounds, so that you don’t get forced to spend too much time in a single game. Or, there could be a limited amount of turns in an online game. Either way, you’d ideally only need to set aside around 30mins per online round.
This game was a disappointment. Can't believe N64 maps were better.
Thats since Hudson Soft made the N64 ones and actually showed some PASSION for their Mario Parties. After Mario Party DS, Ndcube became the new developers... and theyre either really struggling or are too lazy to make a decent Mario Party.
@@Lizuma I thought 9 was good, but haven't played any after that so I can't speak. I'm just wondering who okayed this game. This has shaken my faith in Nintendo's ability to produce quality content.
@@imafreakinninja12 Same. After so much disappointment on the switch I finally stopped spending money on any switch games at all.
@@Lizuma I wouldn't know that because I kinda only own 4 games for mine. If they make a Kid Icarus or F-Zero game, I'll buy it. I'll probably get Metroid Prime 4 is it ever materializes.
@@Lizuma what? There may have been misses, but I think there are more good than bad hits. Did you expose yourself to the wrong Switch games or something?
Rewarding players that come in 2nd - 4th in mini games was a good idea. But with coins being more accessible, I can’t fathom why they chose to make stars and golden pipes only cost 10
I don't agree with the idea of bringing back old boards. You hit the nail on the head when you explained how old boards were bigger, but had a 1-10 dice to compensate. Would those same boards work as well with a 1-6 dice? I don't think so. I'd rather see more new boards that use old gimmicks and are designed in the SMP style of boards. I'd be stoked to see a new Windmillville or Tycoon Town, for example; their gameplay is very different compared to all the other maps and are a favorite of mine. (By the way, I'd prefer a 1-6 dice because low rolls don't feel as punishing, but I can see where you're coming from as well!)
More stuff you have not mentioned (mostly doesn't fit the more casual tone of the video):
- Online boards would suck if disconnects or quits were common. Fortune Street did online play very well, by letting you quit out of a game and have CPUs keep going in your place. You could customize the CPU's behavior as well if you prefer a particular strategy. I'd like to see an online mode like that, even though it may be hard to design well.
- Character blocks are quite unbalanced; why would you ever pick Monty Mole if you aren't messing around? Tier lists are never definitive of course, but there are a few characters that are clearly above the rest, because they let you move quicker (Bowser, Wario, Boo). Only one player can pick each of these. If you're playing seriously, that's a problem.
- Getting allies (especially early on) feels quite overpowered. I wish they were toned down a bit.
- There's tons of coin balancing changes I'd recommend as well. To name a few: less coins if you do badly in minigames (3rd and 4th should not get anything), Stars and 'specially Golden Pipes should be more expensive (15 and 20?), so should Custom Dice Blocks (10 at the very least). I'd make Dueling Gloves obtainable from shops too (10+ coins). Also just remove the Double Star Card entirely.
I'd look into a game that called 100% Orange Juice for how to do online right. They do the CPU thing, but also let people join currently running games to replace those CPUs again. I've sunk many hours into it, because it's incredibly fun and there's enough options available to you that every game feels fresh.
If you look up dk's jungle adventure the layout is actually very similar to whomps ruins just a bit bigger and has similar gimmicks
Also while Monty mole dose have the worst dice block I feel that every one else can strategize around their blocks fairly well because sometimes it can be more important to go a certain number of spaces than just going as far as possible.
I think the gameboards should be a bit bigger and have more diverse layouts
@@zoruasnivy That could work well, as long as there's an option to only join new games. I don't think many people would like to stick around in a game where half the turns have passed and they start in last.
@@DatAtDawn The abundance of coins breaks the otherwise good balance among the dice. Coin-farming dice like Rosalina's and Hammer Bro's are undesirable (the only exception being DK, which I reckon should *take away* coins instead), and coin-eating like Bowser's and Wario's dice are better and much safer to use than they should be. There's a bunch more dice, like Luigi's, Yoshi's, or Boo's, that are objectively worse than others too.
What you said about boards applies to the series as a whole. There may be 60+ classic board by now, but lots are re-hashes of previous boards.
Let's go down this rabbit hole. The mine board's main gimmicks were first feaured in MP2's Space Land and MP3's Creepy Cavern respectively. The fruit board is made up of 4 islands, a popular concept present since MP1's Battle Canyon. Kamek's board is a simple linear board with variable star prices; MP7's Pagoda Peak is *exactly* the same concept.
Yoshi has Waluigi's dice block, but with a 0 instead of -3 coins. How is this fair and why do people say waluigi's block is better??
So that you try harder to not get 0!
The non-0 faces on Yoshi's dice are 1,3,3,5,7. Waluigi's are 1,3,5,5,7. Waluigi's dice has an edge over Yoshi's because the +2 movement matters. The downside of Waluigi's -3 coin side, while still too big compared to the movement advantage, is practically negated because the game hands coins out too generously for 3 coins to make a difference. Yoshi's dice is arguably the second worst in the game, having low movement and no consistency; it only has a niche of having no even numbers, which Waluigi shares and does better anyway. If you're playing seriously, there is no reason to pick Yoshi as your first character.
It becomes a serious issue when your *Mario Party* game has a character tier list.
The game is horrendously slow. In the older games; star location change was instant, items were guaranteed if you had the coin, the maps were massive (especially Mario Party 3), the music was memorable, and the mini games were fast paced challenges.
This was my only problem with this mario party, toadettes locations after getting stars, I cant tell you how many times that someone goes from 1 to 3 stars in one turn because of golden mushrooms and allie partners the location would sometimes move literally 5 spaces away at times it made the maps not fun to play at that point
I got bored out Super Mario Party in about a week or two, I’ve never gotten bored of a Mario Party game that fast.
@valy0f hell I still play mario party 1 on my n64 lmao
Games took 45 mins for like a 10 turn game like wtf
To be fair, it's a major step in the right direction after 9 and 10. Super Mario Party 2 should be a lot better
I've only played Mario Party 8, and I absolutely loved it! The boards were pretty diverse, the minigames were mostly enjoyable, and the graphics were great. (i know I have nothing to compare it to though >w>)
I played some others but don't remember any, Mario Party 8 is by far my favourite too.😀
I'd say Mario Party 2 and 8 are the only must-plays (and DS, if you don't mind handhelds)
No one is gonna mention the Items? I hoped you talk about this. This game only has around 4 items to add small changes to the blocks. Mario Party 6 (one of my favorites) had many items, which made it fun to get a roll over 20-40, going to Boo to steal Stars, and still having enough spaces to get to an item shop or the Star itself. Fun Maps it had
Kind of sad people expected dlc to fix the game...
If its bad from the get go, its usually just bad.
Except this one isn't all that bad.
the free DLC helped fix Kirby Star Allies
jaden da finger I don’t understand this logic. I can replay the game with “different” characters that basically have the same moves with different animations. Yay?
plooper14 It added a new harder game mode and some new bosses. (even if they are just reskins)
Pros:
-NO MORE CARS!!!
-Big character roster
-Fun minigames
-Interesting board aesthetics
-Character-specific blocks spice things up
-Allies are fun
Cons:
-Only 4 boards
-Online is VERY limited
-No DLC
-Challenge Mode has no replayability
-Annoying board layouts
-Feels kinda empty, even with the extra modes
-Barely any game customization
My final opinion: 6/10 Fun to break out with friends and play 1-2 games with and a couple minigames, but that's about it. Other modes are nice, but the lack of good online play and more boards make it feel lackluster. Also, it should be priced at $40, $60 is a little much for this game.
dab it my boyonocerous
How come you stated that many cons which are huge problems but you still gave it 6/10? Should be a 4/10.
I feel like I see you everywhere
I’m sorry it’s $60?!?
How is "No DLC" a con? I mean it's sad that now DLCs are normalized
A big blow to SMP is just how the smaller boards and character dice just work better in parter party, a side mode. They must've worked on that mode first, they haphazardly made regular MP the main one
I'd love for a sequel that properly fleshes out the boards with the QOL changes MPS had. Cause partner party and character dice were honestly their best attempt at a new MP formula, and I think is worthy of another try
This has to be the truth. Just look at the "grid design" of the boards. It feels like the devs wanted to do their own thing again but the bosses forced them to "return to form" so they quickly recycled them into regular mario party
Here’s my opinion on Super Mario Party: The mini games were good. That’s it
While you touched upon a lot of things that I certainly agree with, I want to expound on the overall negative impressions that weren't covered, despite having really enjoyed it as a casual drink-chat-about-things-and-trashtalk-each-other-fest with my friends. The benefits when I tried it were immediately obvious. Miraculously, this iteration was incredibly new player friendly, and even the pals we know who haven't touched a controller since their childhood could pick up and play (and reasonably competently as well). The minigames have become incredibly innovative. At times, I've actually said out loud "my god, this is amazing minigame design". Some that come to mind include the "choose the largest area" game, and the partner games that involve the string pattern matching and block rotation. Intuitive controls and some very creative concepts lead to incredibly satisfying game play for both those new to and familiar with Mario Party.
The biggest issue I had with Super Mario Party is how ridiculously sterile everything felt. You touched on this briefly with the stunted dice rolls, the really generic maps, with little in the way of interesting paths or challenging obstructions, all of which I agree with. But even beyond that, the overall aesthetic is... appalling. It's clean, sure, but everything looks like a mobile-era web page using the most sterile styling possible, complete with plain white text for everything, obsessive emphasis on "modern design" fundamentals from font choice to margins to layout, and clean icons. Whatever happened to the punchy, colorful indicators, prompts and score cards that reflected the colorful personality of the Mario IP?
I grew up with Mario Party 3 on the N64, and despite all my biases and nostalgia having held that game, it still feels like the best iteration (that I've experienced thus far) on an objective examination. It certainly didn't have the same mini-game quality as Super Mario Party, but it had excitement! Mini-games were all or nothing for 10 coins, making the occasional "everyone tries to earn coin" minigames were rare, but compelling. The map was large, varied and beautiful. I can't even begin to describe how hilarious Waluigi's Island is to play compared to that mine. It ran a timing-based minigame that determined your movement direction between 4 pathes, a massive island that had nothing but a bank and icons that were all the same (which rotated each turn), a path that forced you to make a 50/50 choice between continuing and falling back to the start, and a bomb that would drop your coins down to ZERO. Even when not talking about that specific map, the other elements also feel less exciting. Mario Party 3 had exciting and novel items that allowed you to steal from each other, redirect the star when someone came close to it, or even trigger a duel where you decide the wager. Games can swing in insane and exciting ways. How many times have I gotten screwed over, or screwed over someone else by winning a battle mini-game where everyone was forced to invest 50 coins, or miraculously increased my coin count tenfold in a shy-guy mini-game, or even forced someone to swap the amount of stars they had? It was absolutely wild.
This all combines to a modern Mario Party experience that feels too restrained. There are no great swings or massive, pivotal events. The highs and lows elicit a fist pump or sigh, not a straight minute of anguished or triumphant screaming. Reflecting on my childhood experiences, I'm just begging for even a taste of the same excitement. And it pains me a lot because, again, these minigames are among the most brilliant, accessible, and enjoyable ones I've ever seen. It's just too bad that everything else about the game is so clinical from design to gameplay.
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This. This is completely right. Youve expressed everything perfectly. Bravo! You win!
To this day, I think that MP3 is the wackiest in the series with its nutty board design, action events and basically broken items. There's a lot of things i'd like to see return from them. Action Events in particular added a layer of involvement that i like, because sometimes, they could be used to your advantage when other players landed on the happening spaces.
Very well put! Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that the UI design is oddly sterile, to the point it was almost startling the first time I played the game. I too speculated that they may have been going for a minimalistic approach, and while I'm a big fan of minimal UIs, it doesn't really work in this context. It's not ugly, but it is, to be blunt, boring. Some of the previous MP games may not have had the most beautiful or eye-catching UI designs, but they almost always screamed "FUN".
@The1Banana
"I grew up with Mario Party 3 on the N64, and despite all my biases and nostalgia having held that game, it still feels like the best iteration "
Trust me when I say even as someone who hasn't played Mario Party 3 as a kid, it's easily one of the best installments in the franchise. One of the few Nintendo 64 games that's worth playing.
It seems to me that NDCube is slowly re-learning everything that made MP great. In a few years we might reach the standards that the first Mario Party had back in 1998.
Golden Pipe, good for single player but devastating for friendships similar to blue shells in mario kart.
7:34 That map is the best map of any mario party,you can get anywhere from anywhere if you planed strategically with skeleton keys or use the cacti to "teleport" and the mirage star is awesome,nothing beats the face of your friend getting that message
What I would like to see for an update:
Characters: Mii, Birdo, & Kamek.
Play up to 8 players (4 Teams).
Board play:
* Dry/Giga Bowser hosts the Bad Luck Spaces.
* Chance time spaces return only on last 3 Turns.
* VS Spaces triggers a free for all mini-game instead of Rumble.
Etc: Some of the text during gameplay are sometimes hard to see even at 1080p.
So maybe better and readable text. For example: the scoreboard on the upper right.
While I agree with many of the points you make, I think there are yet more factors that contribute to why Super Mario Party is less enjoyable than its predecessors, and I think one of the biggest ones unmentioned is the item selection. If you compare the items in Super Mario Party to those of its predecessors, you'll find that Super not only has a much smaller pool, but only represents the most rudimentary of abilities. Even an item like the Boo Bell, as far back as Mario Party 2-the item that made you make a huge leap in the rankings by stealing a star if you could afford one-is conspicuously absent in Super Mario Party. Think about every time you used the Minimega Hammer to interfere with the opponent's roll or make them walk right past the star while huge, or laid a minefield of orbs in front of a rival to lighten their pockets of all their hard-earned cash-no items like that even exist in Super.
That's what gets me the most, I think. Not the boring, limited board design, though that certainly is a problem. It's the fact you can't _screw your opponents over._ Everything is so safe, there's really no way to. Everyone will always have coins, so the person who happens to get allies, and thus superior mobility on the boards, will always run away with the game. It's weirdly anti-competitive to me, even moreso than when duels for stars could be decided via literal RNG.
super mairot part is more injeoy be the shti part mairot 5 6 with no bun the tiems you want or mairor aprt 9 10 with th almae as kart bull shit
Re: @@ssjgotenks2009 - I'm not sure what language you're speaking, but I can tell you that I do not speak it.
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I miss reverse shroom from MP3. It had so many uses (it was a little OP for its price, let's be honest xD).
Snowman I think you should make a video about how nostalgia affects ones enjoyment and how that can give old games from childhoods can have a certain advantage.
My friends and I loved playing Super Mario Party but all the problems started to rise up. To make up for this we played a custom ruleset where the person with the least stars and coins won, while you still had to try in minigames. Really made it fun and competitive with some actual strategy.
Watching this, it seems that they tried to make Mario Party more... organised and controlled. Which is just insane, the chaotic nature of the earlier installments was exactly what made playing them so much fun, with or without friends. I recently-ish played Mario Party 10 (I think) with my brother, and while we had fun, it just wasn't the same.
The more I see of what Nintendo does with these games, the more I start to think that maybe some dedicated fans should try their hands on this. (It worked with Sonic Mania, from what I've heard.) I wouldn't mind having original characters instead of the Mario crew, if it could bring back the magic of the first Mario Party games.
I agree completely, "safe" is a word that comes to mind
Here's an idea: Mario Party 6, Switch Edition
How about combine 2, 3, 6, 7 and DS into one masterpiece of a Mario Party package? That would seriously kick arse.
British Media Bully so your saying mario party six but with the mario party two outfits. Lmao
As if I didn't also mention 3 and 7.
British Media Bully name a feature from 3 or 7 that isn't done better in 6
@Noah D4755
Am I to guess debatably story mode. I can't really say 3 and 7 do some things better than 6 but neither can I say vice versa. They have several unique modes and some interesting gimmicks of their own. 3 has the duel boards, 7 has the 8 player minigames as well as culturally inspired boards and 6 has the day and night system as well as a different solo mode.
this was such a disappointing game :( so much unrealized potential
Man I remember playing the hell outta Mario Party DS, even when I was the only human player (I still remember some of the minigames it had and how fun the maps were). Shame the one on the Switch is disappointing.
This games good. That's it, nothing else. Super Mario Party is one of those games that seems like it was rushed. Its half baked online play is just an excuse for online players to buy the game and the mode isnt even that good. And seriously, no updates? Why not add more boards or characters? It may not boost the sales depending on how big it is, but it would be something. So like I said, I think it's good, but nothing else.
Well, for the game updates thing, it's a return on investment. Casual games typically have low long-term engagement from consumers unless you build in a recurring event system. DLC doesn't sell well for these types of games. Unlike most games, Mario Party is rather iterative with regular entries almost every year so we are likely getting a sequel this spring so creating major DLC like boards or characters are taking away resources from that game.
As someone who didn’t like the “everyone in a car” mechanic, I thought this would be some fresh air after 4 games of that. It was, but as you said. The maps are good, nothing more, nothing less. At least my main Boi Dry Bones is in the game.
PIKMINROCK1 that is very true.
This game is not good, just ok. The Dice Block Character mechanic was what got me interested in the first place. Sadly, like always, Nintendo does a good job of selling us on return info a franchise then proceed to fuck it up and hope that no one notices by the time the game is out.
I just hope they expand on the formula when the eventual SUPER DUPER MARIO PARTY comes out next year. Listening to the fans worked out well for this game, but the problem was that there isnt enough content to keep people invested for long periods of the time. I just hope that they listen to the feedback on this game and implement it into the next game.
honestly if they just gave me more maps id be back so quick
I did genuinely enjoy the team party. I felt that mode actually complemented the low dice rolls pretty well, since it became less about just rolling the highest number and more plotting out a path for yourself to get the most goodies, though of course that's not to say higher dice rolls aren't preferable. I'd love for it to be expanded upon in a sequel, maybe even with that "older board remake" idea that could remake the older boards with that free movement gameplay while still keeping the gimmicks and events of the original board.
One thing I wish is that Nintendo would release Mario Party 1-8 on Nintendo Switch. What would you think of that idea?
1 needs a way to replace its rotate-the-stick minigames, which is why it hasn't yet been rereleased.
@@browncoatkevin How, like? Every home console since the N64 has had at least one analog stick??
@@hypotheticaltapeworm no, to REPLACE. Nintendo was sued for those minigames, so they can’t use them again. To rerelease MP1, they’d have to make new minigames in place of the rotating stick ones.
@@browncoatkevin Replace the stick spinning with button tapping.
Still kinda bothers me all those colorful dice and none of them is blue
@@bitesizedchocolate04 It's close, but is not exactly blue...
Hated mario party for the switch, it felt like a mobile game version of a series I once loved.
then I guess the question is how do you feel about mario kart tour
Rachel Renn I mean, thats SUPPOSED to be a mobile game so thats fine
@@jasuki1091 Well, MK Tour is even for a mobile game really overkill when it comes to bad decisions. At least the courses are good.
Wtf how?
Am I the only one who wants a bad game design of 1-2-switch? Look, I know that we all know it’s bad, but I just want Snoman to tear it apart.
I think Nintendo’s mentality with this one was mostly just to play things in the safest way possible with little variation. They know that the franchise has had a lacking reputation since at least Mario Party 8, but especially 9 and 10, and even if they took that idea a bit too far, the fact that any enjoyment can be gained from this game is a vast improvement already
I wanted to point out that at 6:56, you actually can set the CPU's to separate difficulties. They are just defaulted to the same difficulty. You can change it when customizing which characters you want to play with.
That's really interesting lol! Didn't even know that, it's tucked away too far in a menu :(
@@snomangaming I agree haha! Honestly, there are a lot of little things like that that are tucked away. For all the explaining that the game does, it could have taken a little more time to explain those mechanics.
After only really playing two Mario Party games for most of my life, (1 and 8) I gave 6 a try and honestly, it was probably the best one I've played. The reason I'm mentioning 6 is because of how much strategic potential each of the Orbs had, as opposed to Super Mario Party's items which are very basic; instead of the OP instant-star Gold Pipe, you could have the regular Warp Pipe to switch places with another player which could potentially fulfill the same purpose, not to mention that 6 had the items that affected a space of your choosing such as the Thwomp which stops you in your tracks.
Long story short: items are alright, but Orbs are great.
I would say Mario Party 3 is my favourite but on a technical level, 6 is the better game.
To be fair, there's also the Flutter Orb, which does take you right to the Star. :P If you get lucky enough for it to show up in a shop, it's pretty darn helpful.
But yeah, Orbs are pretty great. 5 had Capsules, but those were hard to strategize with; you got them randomly (no shops), and any Capsules placed would affect you as well as other players.
I would absolutely love a Mario Party game that brought back classic boards from past entries. Maybe even past minigames like in the Top 100.
This aged like fine wine
This games character roster was so amazing, and I love the character unique dice blocks, but it’s a shame it had to be ruined by bad game design.
The roster could've been better in my honest opinion.
I still like Mario Party 9. Some boards work well with single car movement, and some boards could benefit from individual movement, but overall I think it's a minor complaint.
Another good video as always. I've love your good/bad game design videos, I remember finding your DK 64 one about 3 years ago and I've loved them ever since! I've been studying game design and development for over 6 years and watching your videos have inspired me to make my own videos teaching about the gaming industry and how to become a successful game designer! Keep up the good content Snoman! :D
Honestly, all I want is a TRUE Super Mario Party. A remaster of all Mario Party games from 1 - 8. Has all of the maps to choose from, all of the mini games edited to include joy-con and controller support. All characters from every Mario party including some unlockables. It would literally be the perfect Mario party. No new maps required
Nothing new Mario Party hasn’t been good since 07 when DS and 8 came out
DS was great idk what you mean
@@bain8renn I said it hasn't been good since DS and 8