Jesus said I lay down my life so that I may rise it up again. He also said He is the resurrection and the life. So infact He ressurected Himself so He is God. His divinity NEVER DIED, got it?
Hi Greg! I actually did a sermon on the topic but in Spanish and put it on this channel. Talked a little about the whole controversy happening in our church about the truth of the Godhead. Blessings!!
What I always like to bring up is when Jesus confronted the man that had a legion of demons in him. The demons, and not just one but many demons recognized Jesus as son of the Most High God and begged not to be tortured. How could a demon be so scared of a man unless he had a higher authority than him or even created him. We can also assume that they were present when Jesus created the earth and all things.
"And the Son of God declares concerning Himself: “The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was set up from everlasting.... When He appointed the foundations of the earth: then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him.” Proverbs 8:22-30. " Patriarchs and Prophets 34.1 I'm not sure if Doug still holds to the Spirit of Prophecy (the writings of Ellen White) but he seems to be going against the Bible and SOP.
Jason Neumann.. he is rejecting every evidence that shows the relationship between a Father and a Son. these pastors are echoing the same words/ thoughts of Satan... if thou be the Son of God..
Jason Neumann That is a wonderful quote, I wonder how you believe Doug is not saying the exact same? I've read volumes of his along with the writings of Mrs. White and they all agree with the Bible EXACTLY on the eternal preexistence of the Word-Jesus. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1
"A complete offering has been made; for "God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son,"-- not a son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father's person, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." {ST, May 30, 1895 par. 3} When Doug Batchelor holds his breath for 3 hours, I'll listen to him. Till then, I"m stickin with good ole' EGW. TYVM.
John chapter 1 vers 1 2 3 In the beginning was the word and the word was with god, and the word was god. He was in the beginning with god. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made That was made.
Jesus prayed that his disciples might be one as he was one with his Father. This prayer did not contemplate one disciple with twelve heads, but twelve disciples, made one in object and effort in the cause of their master. Neither are the Father and the Son parts of the “three-one God.” They are two distinct beings, yet one in the design and accomplishment of redemption.” {James White, 1868, Life Incidents, p 343}
James White does not determine my faith. I will follow the word of God. Not the word of a man. People make mistakes. James White made a mistake. I am sure he can to a more proper understanding later in life
@@waynejamel6703Both Ellen and her husband James White were in unity. So, we are to believe that James and Ellen White somehow had a different understanding of the Godhead yet were united in the great work and labored together for the salvation of souls? That would make no sense at all. James White was an avid Non trinitarian and spoke boldly against that doctrine and taught that Jesus was the literal Son of God. According to today's SDA GC, we are to believe that Ellen White, being a prophet, somehow put this difference aside about the Godhead (the most important commandment according to Jesus Mark 12:28-34) and was totally unified in the work of the ministry with her husband. Or, that being a prophet taken in up in vision once believed like her husband, but then all of a sudden became a trinitarian.
@@waynejamel6703 It was the highest sin to rebel against the order and will of GOD. All heaven seemed in commotion. The angels were marshaled in companies with a commanding angel at their head. All the angels were astir. Satan was insinuating against the government of GOD, ambitious to exalt himself, and unwilling to submit to the authority of JESUS. Some of the angels sympathized with Satan in his rebellion, and others strongly contended for the honor and wisdom of GOD in giving authority to his SON. And there was contention with the angels. Satan and his affected ones, who were striving to reform the government of GOD, wished to look into his unsearchable wisdom to ascertain his purpose in exalting JESUS, and endowing him with such unlimited power and command. They rebelled against the authority of the SON of GOD, and all the angels were summoned to appear before the FATHER, to have their cases decided. And it was decided that Satan should be expelled from heaven, and that the angels, all who joined with Satan in the rebellion, should be turned out with him. Then there was war in heaven. Angels were engaged in the battle; Satan wished to conquer the SON of GOD, and those who were submissive to his will. But the good and true angels prevailed, and Satan, with his followers, was driven from heaven. p. 17, Para. 2, [GC58]. So" the councils of the Godhead" included two persons only, in harmony with Zach 6: 13
@@waynejamel6703 James White agrees with his wife..read this and the SOP I already posted. Now, you have a choice to make. Which will you believe? The Father is the greatest in that he is first. The Son is next in authority because He has been given all things. (James White, January 4, 1881, Review & Herald)
“Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. He was begotten, not created. He is of the substance of the Father, so that in his very nature he is God; and since this is so ‘it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell.’ Col. 1:19 ... While both are of the same nature, the Father is first in point of time. He is also greater in that he had no beginning, WHILE CHRIST'S PERSONALITY HAD A BEGINNING.” - E.J. Waggoner, Signs of the Times, April 8, 1889
Lord Jesus Himself STATES..... Revelation 22:13 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginningand the End, the First and the Last" Revelation 21:6 "And He said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts" Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginningand the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." Matthew 23:10 "And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ" John 17:11 "Now I am no longer in the world, but these arein the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are." John 17:22 "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:" Lord Jesus CLEARLY STATES He is eternal, from the beginning, and IS ONE WITH THE FATHER....IE.....HE IS GOD!
For many years, the Masonic General Conference prepared parishioners to change signboards on churches from Saturday to Sunday, and they dreamed of achieving this through introducing a charismatic spirit into the church and now hope that the parishioners will calmly accept the beginning of church visits on Sundays.
Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 34 "And the Son of God declares concerning Himself: "The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of His Way, before His works of old.I was set up from everlasting.... When He appointed the foundations of the earth: then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him." Proverbs 8:22-30
"In the beginning of his way." Meaning Jesus and the father are both from eternal past. Jesus is from the same beginning as God, meaning eternal. Because God has no beginning
Unfortunately, Doug Batchelor is mixing two verbs and declaring them the same. To beget and to create are two different things. No one would say that God begat the world; nor would they say that Isaac created Jacob. This, of course, is only one fallacy presented in this video.
Did jesus only come into existence at birth in bethleham, there no real logic in that argument, you would think that if jesus had to die a terrible death he would be first asked if he would be that person to take the sins of the world on his being.
Let's see what the inspired writings of Sister White says on this subject so that we do not make any mistakes. Notice that she distinguishes "creation" from Christ being "begotten" and that Christ was "made" (not in the sense of being created of course). "God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son,"-- not a son by *creation*, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son ***BEGOTTEN in the express image of the Father's person***, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. {ST, May 30, 1895 par. 3} The Eternal Father, the unchangeable one, gave his only begotten Son, tore from his bosom Him who was ***MADE in the express image of his person***, and sent him down to earth to reveal how greatly he loved mankind. {RH, July 9, 1895 par. 13} Doug Batchelor, I would love to hear your thoughts on these quotes, because not many are aware that these quotes are out there, helping us to not mistake what the Bible says.
He was "MADE" on this Earth...but ETERNAL in Heaven. BTW the HOLY SPIRIT is a SHE or FEMALE, according to Ellen G. White the Lord has kept 2 mysteries hidden from us (1) the Incarnation of Christ, and (2) the Nature of the Holy Spirit In Isaiah 48:16 it says "I have Not spoken in secret from the beginning, from the time that SHE was (mis-translated as "IT" was) there Am I also, and the Lord God + His Spirit sent Me (sent Jesus-Christ into our world)"...so that in this verse it is Jesus speaking...so that it is a Circle a catch-22 if you will. This is also WHY the Holy Spirit is represented by a White Dove (female).
@Kevin Johnson That's because Parakletos (Comforter) is a he. It is simply Greek grammar. Sister White normally calls the Holy Spirit an "it." God is not an "it." We must not confound God with His Spirit, otherwise it violates our pioneer pillar of the personality of God, which means that God is a personal being in heaven and is not Jesus or the Holy Spirit.
@Kevin Johnson Absolutely NOT above is the Holy Family...The Holy Trinity...as Christ told the disciples "I have many things to reveal to you BUT you cannot receive them now". Also WHY is the Holy Spirit represented by a Female Dove~? ELOHIM means the Tri-Une Gods in hebrew, thus "LET us create Man in OUR Image & in OUR semblance... Male + Female...created He (for emphasis) them"... SO much stupid Macho BULLSHIT going on in the Church repeated by thick-sculled Males.
@Kevin Johnson What you are saying and citing cannot disprove that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God rather than a God-Being. If we were left to those Scriptures alone, it could be either way. The Bible tells us how it is, and Sister White testifies to the truth, but if we read with Trinitarian glasses on we will not see the truth.
Lord Jesus "made" His human form the same as He has created each of us. He firmed us. Lord Jesus is NOT man as we are. He IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN,ALWAYS WILL BE....GOD!!!
I Truly believe people read too fast. John 1 Verse 2 Clearly says,”the SAME was in the beginning WITH God. Which mean The Eternal Heavenly Father And Son have the SAME... (1) Character (2) Spirit (3) Majesty or Throne (4) Power (5) Glory (6) Form and Fashion (7) Created all things/Before All things (8) Both praised,Honored and Worshiped by everything in the Universe created by The Father Through the Son.
What's beginning? I thought God didn't have a beginning. The truth is that it's talking about ever since Jesus was begotten he was with the father. And yes he has the same attributes as the father because he is the Son of God. The Bible clearly points out that Jesus is the son of God and so does Ellen White. Doug Batchelor is teaching falsehood.
Wait a minute, This man said in another video that Jesus is Michael the Archangel...and Angels are created! Now he's saying that Jesus is Eternal, he's always been there with the Father. That he cannot have been created! Well which one is it?
really ?? .... i did not notice that. Did he really said that ?? i know what you're saying cause i saw that video to ...but i don't remember him saying that... or am i getting confused/twisted ??
Yes he did say that. What makes you confused is that archangel doesnt mean is He is an angel. He's the head of the angelic host. There is a video where he cleared that up.
SOP Vol 1 p17 24 THE GREAT CONTROVERSY. CHAPTER I. THE FALL OF SATAN. Satan in Heaven, before his rebellion, was a high and exalted angel, next in honor to God's dear Son. His countenance, like those of the other angels, was mild and expressive of happiness. His forehead was high and broad, showing a powerful intellect. His form was perfect; his bearing noble and majestic. A special light beamed in his countenance, and shone around him brighter and more beautiful than around the other angels; yet Jesus, God's dear Son, had the pre-eminence over all the angelic host. He was one with the Father before the angels were created. Satan was envious of Christ, and gradually assumed command which devolved on Christ alone. p. 17, Para. 1, [1SP]. The great Creator assembled the heavenly host, that he might in the presence of all the angels confer special honor upon his Son. The Son was seated on the throne with the Father, and the heavenly throng of holy angels was gathered around them. The Father then made known that it was ordained by himself that Christ, his Son, should be equal with himself; so that wherever was the presence of his Son, it was as his own presence. The word of the Son was to be obeyed as readily as the word of the Father. His Son he had invested with authority to command the heavenly host. Especially was his Son to work in union with himself in the anticipated creation of the earth and every living thing that should exist upon the earth. His Son would carry out his will and his purposes, but would do nothing of himself alone. The Father's will would be fulfilled in him. p. 17, Para. 2, [1SP].
The sins of babylon are about forcing unbiblical beliefs on people, so they will not be armed against Satan with a strong understanding of God's word. Paul said there is one God, the Father. The Pope said there is one God, the Trinity. The Heruli and Ostrogoths said, "so the Trinity gave his only begotten son? How does that make sense?." The Papacy said they taught Jesus was a created being. Babylon means confusion. So they murdered all who would not accept their confusion. Andrews said the Trinity is the wine of babylon because it destroys the personality of God. He said that in 1855, the same year he taught Ellen White that the Sabbath starts at sunset. In 1905 Ellen White says our doctrines have been established in the last 50 years. That 50 years begins in 1855. Ellen White never used words like "Trinity" or "triune God" or "God the son" or "Co-eternal" or any of these words relating to trinitarianism. But she does reject trinitarian teachings when she uses the term "personality of God". The triune God is a pagan God, an invention of the Catholic Church, which originates from the pagan teaching that "all gods are one God". The Catholic Church has stated that the Trinity is centrial doctrine of the Catholic Church, on which all her other doctrines are built. That's the doctrine they use to uproot two of the three horns. The Trinity is referred to as "He" in the 28 fundamental beliefs. Ted Wilson said the Trinity is the Lord God Almighty. But, who is the Lord God Almighty according to Elen White? The Father. Just like in the bible. She said the personality of God is a pillar of our faith, and she said the personality of God is everything to us as a people. It's what separates us from the Catholics. Ellen White said the angels were created but Jesus was begotten. But, Doug Bachelor rejecting the personality of God and the sonship of Jesus is like William Miller rejecting the Sabbath and like Peter going with the circumcision group. Even legendary evangelists make mistakes, and God is glorified in forgiving them as He forgives all of us for our errors. Adventist leaders have made the wine of Babylon a test of fellowship and have planted the flag of the Pope in our church. They are the ones who have troubled Israel, as Elijah said. But all this is in fulfillment of prophecy, so they have an out if they are willing to repent.
RH AUGUST 29 1878 THE PERSONALITY OF GOD . TEXT: "But to us there is but one God, the Father, whom are all things." 1. Cor. 8: 6. The Bible says nothing about the trinity. God never mentions it, Jesus never named it, the apostles never did. Now men dare to call God, Trinity, Triune, etc. It is a great thing to name our God. We may name our horse, our child; but who presumes to name God? The child should not name its father. We should not name God. God is self-existent, and the source and author of all things,-of angels, of men, of all the worlds,-of everything. Thus Paul says, "For. of him, and through him, and to him, are all things; to whom be glory forever. Amen." Rom. 11: 36.
@Ronny Andersen Who we worship is indeed in the front. How can we ever understand Christ's Righteousness when we do not know who we worship? It is joined together. You cannot separate them Ronny.
Ronny Andersen Your right on Jesus is not a doctrine He is the foundation. This means when Jesus asked His disciples who men said He was they said some Elijiah some one of the prophets some even John the Baptist. Jesus asked who do you say I am. Matthew 16: 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. So if the trinity is the foundation because Jesus is part of three in one God is that truth? Jesus clearly tells peter he spoke the truth that in deed He is God’s Son. Tell me have you ever seen a son the same age as their Father? You can not say the person who reads what Jesus said is going to side with Satan when Jesus said the gates of hell shall not Prevail against Jesus as the Son of the Living God. Yet the trinity is The foundation of all the doctrines of the catholic church. The Catholic Church says, “The mystery of the trinity is the central doctrine of the Catholic faith. Upon it are based all the other teachings of the church.” - (Handbook for Today's Catholic, p. 11) So are you saying the catholic trinity is actually being on God’s side ? The non-trinitarian is on the wrong foundation? The trinity denies Jesus as God’s Son. You really want to make the claim you may need to read a little more into your Bible. The only way for anyone to understand is if the Father reveals Him to you as He did Peter.
Pastor Doug, have you read this? "'God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son,'-not a Son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father's person, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." {ST May 30, 1895, par. 3} or this? “The Eternal Father, the unchangeable one, gave his only begotten Son, tore from his bosom him who was made in the express image of his person, and sent him down to earth to reveal how greatly he loved mankind. {RH July 9, 1895, par. 13} or this? “The Lord Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, existed from eternity, a distinct person, yet one with the Father. He was the surpassing glory of heaven. He was the commander of the heavenly intelligences, and the adoring homage of the angels was received by him as his right. This was no robbery of God. “The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way,” he declares, “before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth; while as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth.” {RH April 5, 1906, par. 7} That he is eternal does not at all remove from him being the begotten of the Father. Why some resist that he is both, even if He himself says he is both, I don't understand.
John. 25¶These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. 27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. 28I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. 29¶His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb. 30Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God. 31¶Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe? Not a metaphor, as the biblical research center has said. They have been corrupted by Rome. But the disciples also were not wholly free from phariseeism. That's in DA.
To all who are searching for the truth, do a simple study yourself. Go to the New Testament, that's a good place to start, and look at every where the word "God" is used . And ask the question, can that word be replaced with the word Trinity. That's what the church is teaching. It's teaching that God is somehow three in one including the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, "God the Holy Spirit". And somehow these three are one but yet they are three. Romans 8:31-34; 1 John 1:3-7; 1 John 4:8-10; 3:21-24; 4:1-2, 7-14; Revelation 21:22-23; Philippians 4:19; Ephesians 4:4-6 ; 1st Corinthians 8:4-7; Mark 5:7; James 2:19; Mark 1:24; Mark 13:11; Luke 4:41; Philippians 4:6&7; John 1:18; There is a few to get you started. The fact is, in none of these verses could you use the word Trinity instead of the word God. The Trinity is a lie. "God is the Father of Christ ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal to the Father." 8T p 268. The good news is, we have a real Heavenly Father who loved us so much that He sent His real, only begotten Son into this world to become the second Adam, so that all who believe can be saved! We can be born again! And Jesus, who is the divine Son of God, chose to come to save us. Oh what love they have for us!
One possible argument referring back to Proverbs 8 is that, if this is a prophecy of Jesus, maybe we are misinterpreting the phrase 'brought forth'. Think this way. Brought forth could mean 'revealed'. When was Jesus officially 'brought forth' (but still eternal)? Well, one answer would logically be at creation (of man, or angels). God revealed himself to his angels at their creation, God revealed himself to humans at their creation. Therefore, Jesus' "birthday" (brought forth day) would be the same as the first created being. This is because he never had to be reveal to anyone before this. ("Tore from his bosom" would be basically a metaphor, it is a little too heathen sounding for me to take literally. )
tkmurphys (John 10:30) “I and my Father are one.” Then if you continue reading the Jews clearly wanted to stone Christ because he claimed to be God. Want any more verses? Just ask and I’ll show you.
@@DeivyCabrera4250 "I and my father are one" means they are one in purpose... Not the same person lol. He was NOT claiming to be God when about to be stoned... He NEVER claimed to be God... But He did claim to be His Son and the Christ. Any more verses you need explained just let me know. The arrogance of trinitarians knows no bounds
A Knight who says ni sooo, what you’re trying to tell me that they wanted to stone him because he claimed to be the Christ? You do know that what you said there makes no sense right? First of all Jews believed that they were sons of God, just like in Christianity we believe that we are sons of God but the difference with Christ was that he meant it in a very different way(literally claims to be the Son of God) that’s why they wanted to stone him. Secondly, if they wanted to stone him because he claimed to be the Christ it wouldn’t make sense whatsoever because he committed no sin, so if he did not commit any sins how can they stone him for being a false Christ because even Pilate said that Christ committed no sin. The only reason that they crucified Jesus was because he said that he would come down in the clouds of heaven to judge the people and they saw that as blasphemy because we not God can judge the world, so if only God can judge the world what does that make Christ? God, so your statement is not biblical my friend.
@@DeivyCabrera4250 What???? Have you even studied the bible. Of course they wanted Him dead because He claimed to be who He was. Some Jews present had just said to him: “We are Abraham’s offspring and never have been slaves.” Jesus responds: “I know that you are Abraham’s offspring. But you are seeking to kill me, because my word makes no progress among you. I speak the things I have seen *while with my Father,* but you do the things you have heard from your father.” John 8:33, 37, 38. Jesus’ point is simple: His Father is different from theirs. Unaware of what Jesus means, the Jews repeat their claim: “Our father is Abraham.” John 8:39 Isaiah 41:8 They are literally his descendants. So they feel that they are of the same faith as God’s friend Abraham. But Jesus gives a shocking reply: “If you were Abraham’s children, you would be doing the works of Abraham.” Indeed, a real son imitates his father. “But now you are seeking to kill me,” Jesus continues, “a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.” Then Jesus makes the puzzling statement: “You are doing the works of your father.” John 8:39-41. The Jews still do not grasp who Jesus is referring to. They claim that they are legitimate sons, saying: “We were not born from immorality; we have one Father, God.” Is God really their Father, though? “If God were your Father,” Jesus says, “you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. *I have not come of my own initiative, but that One sent me.”* Jesus asks a question and answers it himself: “Why do you not understand what I am saying? Because you cannot listen to my word.” John 8:41-43. Jesus has tried to show what the consequences of rejecting him are. But now he pointedly says: “You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father.” What is their father like? Jesus identifies him clearly: “That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth.” Jesus adds: “The one who is from God listens to the sayings of God. This is why you do not listen, because you are not from God.” John 8:44, 47. That condemnation angers the Jews, who answer: “Are we not right in saying, ‘You are a Samaritan and have a demon’?” By calling Jesus “a Samaritan,” they are expressing contempt for him. But Jesus ignores their slur, responding: “I do not have a demon, *but I honor my Father,* and you dishonor me.” That this is a serious matter can be seen by Jesus’ startling promise: “If anyone observes my word, he will never see death at all.” He does not mean that the apostles and others who follow him will literally never die. Rather, they will never see eternal destruction, “the second death,” with no hope of a resurrection.-John 8:48-51; Revelation 21:8. But the Jews take Jesus’ words literally, saying: “Now we do know that you have a demon. Abraham died, also the prophets, but you say, ‘If anyone observes my word, he will never taste death at all.’ You are not greater than our father Abraham, who died, are you? . . . Who do you claim to be?”-John 8:52, 53. *It is obvious that Jesus is making the point that he is the Messiah.* But rather than directly answer their question about his identity, he says: “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. *It is my Father who glorifies me,* the one who you say is your God. Yet you have not known him, but I know him. And if I said I do not know him, I would be like you, a liar.” John 8:54, 55. Jesus now refers back to the example of their faithful forefather: “Abraham your father rejoiced greatly at the prospect of seeing my day, and he saw it and rejoiced.” Yes, believing God’s promise, Abraham looked forward to the arrival of the Messiah. “You are not yet 50 years old, and still you have seen Abraham?” the Jews respond in disbelief. Jesus answers: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” He is referring to his prehuman existence as a mighty spirit in heaven. John 8:56-58. The Jews, enraged by Jesus’ claim to have lived before Abraham, get ready to stone him. But Jesus leaves unharmed. But that doesn't make sense to you?? Why are you so blinded to the truth of the scriptures? Regards
The Father and Son share in the same Nature as God. Modalists and Arians see with one eye closed. Jesus is God, yet also distinguished from The Father. He shares inseparably in The Father's Nature with The Holy Spirit. (Matthew 28:18-20; Luke 3:20-21; John 15:26; 2 Corinthians 13:14; 1 John 5:5-9)
Hi Pastor Doug, I believe that all the bible is about Jesus, our finite mind is so limited, we can't even comprehend the deep truths of the word, though it is possible through the Holy Spirit. Now, you made mention that Proverbs 8:22-25 had nothing to do with Jesus, however EGW in Patriarchs and Prophets under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit had something else to say, just thought to share it with you. We're not all-knowing and we can make mistakes because we're mere mortals. Heres the quote "And the Son of God declares concerning Himself: “The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was set up from everlasting.... When He appointed the foundations of the earth: then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him.” Proverbs 8:22-30. PP 34.1 It's definitely clear that it refers to Christ. However, I do believe that Christ was not created, For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.
Doug has wrongfully accused those of us who reject the doctrine of the Trinity. We believe just as the early SDA church taught. Notice here below. This question below was sent into the R&H. The R&H gave there return answer for the SDA Church dated April 17, 1883. The answer given, makes is very clear the positions they held, and proves they did not hold to the trinity doctrine. And they explain why. RH April 17 1883 96.-CHRIST NOT A CREATED BEING. Will you please favor me with those scriptures which plainly say that Christ is a created being? ANS. You are mistaken in supposing that S. D. Adventists teach that Christ was ever created They believe, on the contrary, that he was "begotten " of the Father, and that he can properly be called God and worshiped as such. They believe, also, that the worlds, and everything which is, was created by Christ in conjunction with the Father. They believe, however, that somewhere in the eternal ages of the past there was a point at which Christ came into existence. They think that it is necessary that God should have antedated Christ in his being, in order that Christ could have been begotten of him, and sustain to him the relation of son. They hold to the distinct personality of the Father and Son, rejecting as absurd that feature of Trinitarianism which insists that God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit are three persons, and yet but one person. S. D. Adventists hold that God and Christ are one in the sense that Christ prayed that his disciples might be one ; e., one in spirit, purpose, and labor. See " Fundamental Principles of S. D. Adventists," 1872 published at this Office. Price, 4 cts
The Word was A god." (John 1:1) "Before Abraham came into existence, I have been". (John 8:58) "...the only-begotten son of God." (John 3:18) "...the first born of all creation." (Colossians 1:15). I can't believe how rigidly the churches are hanging on to this false doctrine. Thankfully, more and more people are starting to see through it though.
Xray images of the Salvator Mundi which was Da Vinci's very last painting addresses this very issue. Theres a reason the painting was sold for $450M and completely disappeared. The truth should be coming out very soon.
Question Was Seth created? What about Isaac? Reason being because they both was Begotten of their Father Adam(Gen 5:4) and Abraham(Heb 11:17) now neither of these two Fathers have the ability to create only reproduce after his kind thru birth. come on Pastor Doug I know you know this
Colossians 1:15-19 Explained To the believers who say Jesus is God, you are being deceived and are inadvertently blaspheming the Father. Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of every creature (Colossians 1:15) and the firstborn from the DEAD (Colossians 1:18). The word that is used is “prototokos,” which literally translates to “birth order, first born.” God, the Father, created Jesus himself, which makes Jesus the only begotten [Son] of God. Everything else was done by Jesus, for Jesus (Colossians 1:16). Jesus is the first child ever born of God. As His firstborn, Jesus has inherited His Father’s power and spirit. He has received the Father’s blessing and the Father is pleased that all fullness dwells in His son (Colossians 1:19), but man prefers to lean on their own understanding and blaspheme against God instead of accepting His word. It matters not what the world says; the truth is God created and raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus owes his life to the Father, the true Alpha and Omega. Jesus is not God.
It is blatant error, and a denial of the Holy Spirit of Prophecy, to say that Wisdom is not Jesus when Sister White's writings indicates the opposite. This deserves a public confession, I believe.
@@jamesotugha1610 He was NOT denying the Holy Spirit. He was making the point that people claiming Lord Jesus isn't God are misusing,misinterpreting Scripture. Plus...SCRIPTURE is God's Holy Perfect Breathed Word!!
@@jenniferornduff7835 Doug Batchelor has departed from the truth by sacrificing the truth with bread and butter. Prophecy fulfilled... He has denied on many occasions John 3:16 which is the foundation of our salvation. In this video clearly so, he has denied Proverbs 8. Open up your heart and let the Spirit of Christ teach you.
@@newrez2391 He has NEVER denied John 3:16. He encourages people to remember what the Father,Son Lord Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit(GOD) has ,is and will do for us and in us DAILY! He reminds us ,BY THE GUIDANCE AND KNOWLEDGE OF GOD, to never forget the sacrifice Lord Jesus Christ made for us.
@@jenniferornduff7835 atleast we still have access to the word of God. I will not stand for man made doctrines. History shows that attempts had been made to support this doctrine before even changing Bible text because it has never existed before. The third person you call God is Lucifer himself just as wants to reclaim his lost position. Read revelation 3:21, chapters 4, 5, 21 and 22 you will understand the work of the Holy Spirit and owner thereof. You people have 3 heads and one body type of maimaid type God who is a mystery. If God is a mystery why bother to even debate about him and even knowing him will be impossible. This is against the first and most important commandment. The Holy Spirit belongs to someone much as the evil spirit belongs to the devil. You can't separate and create another being from your spirit. The comporter whom Jesus promised is His personal presence here on earth, not another person. It is only Jesus who was touched with our infirmities as EGW stated, He is our comforter. You people are deceived by the mother of harlots as this trinity thing is her central doctrine. No wonder our church today is afraid to spread the 3 angel's message because of this ecumenism and religious liberty we have subscribed to. Please ask the Holy Spirit, the spirit of Christ to teach you.
It is good to see that some are not deceived by the deception of who Christ is....... Matthew 16 vs 15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed itunto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. So many others are deceived by what other people and false prophets say as if their words are greater than YAHUAH Word, they indeed will have to give an account.
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I think God help us to know better, I pray but proverbs 8,20-36. Fits christ, example in verse 35, "for whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord. Verse 36, but he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me loves death. Please interpret for us pastor
I think, as far as Christian theology goes, Seventh-Day Adventism has some solid doctrines, particularly on the state of the dead, Sabbath-keeping and abstaining from unclean foods. But on this one topic, I'd have to disagree. I admit; there are some difficult verses, and the majority of them are in the Gospel of John, which if I'm not mistaken is the latest of the Gospels. But regardless, there are some difficulties I'd like to see responses on. In Mark 10:18 and Luke 18:19, Jesus asks and states, "Why do you call me good? No one is good, save God alone." (If Jesus, in John's Gospel, did not mind proclaiming himself to be divine, why would he have made statements like these in Mark and Luke?) In John 17:3, Jesus calls the Father the Only true God. John 14:28, Jesus says the Father is greater than he. John 20:17, Jesus says he is ascending to his God. How can God have a God? How can God be the God of Himself? Matthew 24:36, Jesus says that only the Father, and not the son, knows the hour of his return. How can God not be all-knowing? Revelation 1:1 states that it is "the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him..." How can Jesus be given a revelation if he is God? Hebrews 4:15 states that Jesus was tempted in all points as we, but James 1:13 says that God cannot be tempted by evil. 1 Corinthians 8:6 states that there is one God, the Father (and even though is describes Christ as an instrument of creation, it does not identify Christ as God)
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@@PastorBatchelor I don't know if it's really you, Doug, who replied to this, but if it is, please let me say that I have always had a lot of respect for you and I think you are such a lovely person.
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I am glad that I listened to this! I have listened to you for years and from your earlier teachings I concluded that you did not believe thatJesus is God: but he is micheal the arch angel
Solo.d cool eyes... it shouldn't confuse any, if we know the word of God, but that is the enemy's intention and sadly, Doug is on the enemy's side. he rejects every evidence given about the Son of God. you and I cannot depend upon man to know God for ourselves, we must pray study and depend upon Him for guidance.
@@frenchmode1733 Can i ask how Doug goes against what is said about the Son of God. And since you are claiming that He is on the devils side and you saying that Jesus/God was created. And where is your proof. Because i have never seen Doug Bachelor give an accusation or what he believes without verses to back him up or facts. And you haven't provided any
Hope Lovegood.. ok.. it is easier to a video than to do all these typing. Doug gave many errors in his video but I will tackle one for the seek of typing. One of the biggest errors. proverbs the 8 chapter, He said has nothing to do with Christ. He said this chapter is referring to wisdom and not Christ. the chapter proves that Christ was born from the Father before the world was created. Doug do not want to believe the bible, so he said, this is only talking about wisdom. go to 1 Corinthians 1:24 and 30. you wanted bible proof, there it is. these men ignore the truth just to believe in a pagan doctrine. many more errors I can touch on but I leave the rest for you to do. go learn the truth and you too can see the errors with these guys.
@@hopelovegood8131, being created and being begotten are totally different things. Think about it: when God, through Christ, created Adam He took from the substances that He had already created and put them together to look much like them (the Father and Christ). When Christ was begotten, although the Bible does not tell us how, we know that a begotten son comes from the person of the father. For us humans, it takes male + female but for God it does not. We don't know how the Son was begotten but I think we can take God's word for it that He was. The Bible says he came forth from the Father, and was sent.
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a person in authority can give up that position but he cant give up who he is. so when we say jesus became a man yes he did but he was still the man who is god . he added a body to himself . the o/t says a body thou hast prepared for me . his power was limited to humanity but in his essence he is still god
Dear Dougie , so sorry , I have done you a wrong thing.... on another Utube, channel, “man” says, that you say Jesus was “ created”! He took a “snippet “ from your answer to say You think Jesus WAS created!!, after listening to the Whole pod cast I now believe YOU, & Will stop listening to the Trash talkers out there. God bless you & de family.
Pastor... Can you please explain for me the principle of god the mother that is being preached by some churches today deriving it from Genesis 1 vs 26, they ascribe the image of God to a male and female image.... How best can we explain to them
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I fully accept all you've shared with us. My question then is this: Jesus spent a lot of time praying to 'His Father'. We are taught that God became man that we may be saved. Jesus is my Savior and Lord. I don't believe Jesus was created but, if God became man to save us, why did Jesus spend most of His life praying to the 'Father'?
Jesus, in His fleshly form, showed us how dependency of anyone upon the Heavenly Father is vital! Also, it shows how intimate His relationship was with His Father. This was His source of strength right to the point of total separation at cross, due to sin.
I’m confused because the Bible says Jesus did not claim it to be robbery to be equal to God but then he says in another scripture that the father was greater then he, so was he equal or was the father greater?
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Jesus is equal to the Father in essence and nature, but the Father is greater because He is the principal cause of everything. Jesus is the only begotten Son of the Father, so in relationship Jesus is less than the Father, just as a human father has authority over his son. All that the Father has is given to the Son, therefore we can say that Father and Son are equal.
Philippians 2:6 in the King James version says that Jesus “thought it not robbery to be equal to God.” However, the New American Standard Bible translates it, "Did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped". The English Standard Version renders it, "Did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped," and the Good News Bible says, "He did not think that by force he should try to become equal with God." The word "harpazo" in Philippians 2:6 means the seizure or robbery of something that one does not possess. If it is true that Jesus thought it not robbery to be equal to God, that would be contrary to what Paul is teaching in this verse about doing nothing through strife and vainglory but showing lowliness of mind. Jesus set an example for us by not attempting to be equal to God in any way but rather humbling himself.
Proverbs 8 is both speaking about Wisdom personified and also Wisdom as Christ, let us see what Scripture says ....... *[[1Co **1:24**]] KJV* But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
You believe Jesus is Michael because your founders were Arians. That is why you have so much in common with Jehova Witnesses. Your founders had the same beliefs as Charles Taze Russell who agreed with Millerites. "Our pioneers clearly held Arian or semi-Arian views in regard to the person of Christ. They understood “firstborn over all creation” (Col 1:15) and “only begotten Son” (John 3:16) in a literal sense. The Father, therefore, was first and superior, and the Son, who had a beginning sometime in eternity, was subordinate to the Father. A corollary of this view was the belief that the Holy Spirit is an influence or the power of God, but not a person." (Gerhard Pfandl, Biblical Research Institute, The Doctrine of the Trinity Among Seventh-day Adventists; Journal of the Adventist Theological Society, 17/1 (Spring 2006): 160-179)
Just food for thought. Love you Doug... Jesus is God but is He God Almighty? We are also gods according to Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' John 10:34-36 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods"'? If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be set aside-what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'? John 1:18 God, NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father -- he did declare. (No one has ever seen God) John 14:9 Jesus saith to him, 'So long time am I with you, and thou hast not known me, Philip? he who HAS SEEN ME hath seen the Father; and how dost thou say, Shew to us the Father? (The Father is also, not God and everyone saw Jesus) 2 Chron 2:6 and who doth retain strength to build to Him a house, FOR THE HEAVENS, EVEN THE HEAVENS OF THE HEAVENS, DO NOT CONTAIN HIM. (This universe CANNOT contain God) 1 Kings 8:27 But, is it true? -- God dwelleth on the earth! lo, the heavens, and the heavens of the heavens do not contain Thee. (God NEVER dwelled on earth) If you believe Jesus is God Almighty, you cannot believe He really died and if you believe He didn't die, you deny Ephesians 1:13 and make void the power of the cross. God Almighty has no beginning and no end and cannot exist or even enter this temporal realm of time and space. He exists in the infinite realm and Jesus was sent into this realm as His image. Jesus is the mediator between God and man. 1 Ti 2:5 for ONE is God, one also is mediator of God and of men, the man Christ Jesus, Colosians 1:15 who is the image of the invisible God, first-born of all creation. The Trinity denies the death/sacrifice of Jesus Christ as God Almighty cannot die...can He?
"The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one." - {Ms140-1903.28} - EGW Holy= which was, holy= and is, holy= and is to come Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. "Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father-one in nature, in character, in purpose, the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God." - {Lt256-1906.8} - EGW
@@JudyAnn17 Very good Judith! Very few (handful) understand this truth regarding the Word and the Man Christ Jesus. I'm curious about how you came to this knowledge as I know of only one person (Terral Croft) that gets this. I'd love to hear your story. Brian T.
@@joanaggrey8200 The Father is the only one who is called "Lord God Almighty". This means he is the "Supreme Being" . Out of himself he begot his Son in eternal past. The Father is the source of everything including his begotten Son. Does that make sense to you?
Ok it does not make sense if wisdom was bought forth then what was God useing before he had wisdom???? Was your god not always full of wisdom?? and why did Jesus call His Father the only true God. John 17 :3 if there are three? God may be a mistery but who we worship should not. And who you worship is the last great spiritual battle. So treat this very seriously. And why do you say that there is one God but Jesus is god too wouldn't that make two not one. So now we have to forget common sense. And why did Rome change the bible to make a trinity if it was right all along. Matthew 28 : 19. Change from baptize in the name of Jesus to baptize in the name of the father and of the Son and holy ghost. Rome admits to this change in the Cathoilc encyclopedia vol2 p263. You can also prove this by common sense, as the disciples only baptize in the name of Jesus. Didn't they listen to Jesus supposed statment? No he never said it. i have found so may altered texts. So this is why we now have two views on this subject as each side cherry picks and ingnores the other text. Some try to explane a text away by saying God at one stage did not have wisdom so he bought it forth. Proverbs 8. And we are supposed to swollow this. Sorry you where better off ignoring it. So don't call me name. But find out just how much tampering there is. By the biggest known forgers on the planet Catholicism. And give sound argument for why a text is wrong. As there are so many that cut across a trinity. But are just plain ignored. Some changed text if someone wants to know. 1 John 5 : 7. John 1 : 1 this one is interesting as there are two different word in the Greek that are both translated as God in english. If there is a difference in Greek it is lost in english when you translate them to the same english word. Again common sense says this is wrong. But look what happen in english KJV bible Satan is now called god just what he always wanted As the god of this world. ( its the same word used for Jesus God the word) But in greek he does not get the exact same word as belongs to the only true God the father. As these two words are different. Why was Jesus asked to sit at the right hand if he was equal with God as the right hand is the next highest position was He demoted or promoted???? Hebrews 1 : 13. In 1 Corinthians 5 : 26 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. Who put all things under him God did. Who will be all in all God will be. And here God is not Jesus and here there is only one that is all in all and its not Jesus. So much for three coequal beings marking God. There are many such text that totally destroy the trinity but are ignored and the argument hangs mainly on altered and add texts. If any one is honest in this come at it from another direction like who should we worship and who do should we pray to. And who has the last say. And you will find that this is the one true God the Father the one that Jesus told us of and the one that Jesus will make all in all in his life. Will you make Him all in all too. Please consider.
“These people” believe the Holy Spirit is the Spirit OF God and OF Christ, as the Bible says. So Pastor, you deny the SoP? She was in error? Re-read P&P chapter 1, noting reference to Prov 8. In study of His word, you disregard His words making your own determination to what must have been. The Father Son relationship is of the utmost importance in the plan of salvation, and you’ve disregarded it. 😢
All things were made through Him. Jesus/Word was not created. Son of man was created now the ressurection is His firstborn of many others, He became a man and was ressurected as the Son of God.
Isaiah 43:10 “You My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. 11 I, I, the Lord,
John 1:1-3 is speaking of the creation of this world. Begotten is not created. Doug needs to stop adding his private interpretation. Speaking of Proverbs 8, the Bible AND EGW are clear that this verse is speaking of Christ. The Bible and EGW disagree with Pastor Doug Batchelor "But to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God." 1 Corinthians 1:24 “The Sovereign of the universe was not alone in His work of beneficence. He had an associate--a co-worker who could appreciate His purposes, and could share His joy in giving happiness to created beings. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:1, 2. Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father--one in nature, in character, in purpose--the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. "His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6. His "goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." Micah 5:2. And the Son of God declares concerning Himself: "The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was set up from everlasting . . . When He appointed the foundations of the earth: then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him." Proverbs 8:22-30. {PP 34.1} Pastor in his sermon said that Jesus refereed to himself as "THE" "I AM". Did he really? Let's see what the Bible says. In Exodus 3:14, God "calls himself", I AM. Was Jesus also "calling himself" I AM in John 8:58? According to most Christians, including SDAs, it is believed and taught that Jesus is saying in John 8:58 that he "is", I AM. John 8:58 is translated as follows: Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Is Jesus really claiming "to be" I AM? Let's read another verse using the same Greek words ἐγώ εἰμι (ego eimi). Acts 26:29 says: And Paul said, "I would wish to God, that whether in a short or long time, not only you, but also all who hear me this day, might become such as I AM, except for these chains." Is Paul claiming to be the I AM of Exodus 3:14 in this verse? No. In John 8:58, Jesus was just stating that he was already in existence before Abraham was in existence. We need to read in context. Jesus was NOT saying that in comparison to Abraham not being self existent that he himself IS self existent. Paul, in Acts 26:29, stated his hope that others would exist, or be, as he is. In Exodus 3:14, in contrast, God was calling Himself I AM as identifying WHO He is. And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ” In the last part, the I AM is used as a noun to identify a specific person which is not the case in either John 8:58 or Acts 26:29. Jesus is God in the same way that Eve is Adam. They are of one substance. That is another study. Context is key. Many other errors in this study of Pastor Doug. Please people, study to show yourselves approved unto God. If you want to know the other errors, please contact me. God bless you.
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Christ was BEGOTTEN, not created. A complete offering has been made; for "God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son,"-- not a son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father's person, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. {ST, May 30, 1895 par. 3} There is a difference between being created and begotten.
My understanding is that God has a name. He is called Jesus Christ. He is the spirit. We have only one God people. Not three. He was incarnated as man.
It is Satan's plan to weaken the faith of God's people in the Testimonies. Next follows skepticism in regard to the vital points of our faith, the pillars of our position, then doubt as to the Holy Scriptures, and then the downward march to perdition. When the Testimonies, which were once believed, are doubted and given up, Satan knows the deceived ones will not stop at this; and he redoubles his efforts till he launches them into open rebellion, which becomes incurable and ends in destruction.-Testimonies for the Church 4:211. {Last Day Events 178.2} Many a star that we have admired for its brilliance will then go out in darkness.-Prophets and Kings, 188 (c. 1914). {LDE 178.3} Men whom He has greatly honored will, in the closing scenes of this earth's history, pattern after ancient Israel.... A departure from the great principles Christ has laid down in His teachings, a working out of human projects, using the Scriptures to justify a wrong course of action under the perverse working of Lucifer, will confirm men in misunderstanding, and the truth that they need to keep them from wrong practices will leak out of the soul like water from a leaky vessel.-Manuscript Releases 13:379, 381 (1904). {LDE 178.4} Many will show that they are not one with Christ, that they are not dead to the world, that they may live with Him; and frequent will be the apostasies of men who have occupied responsible positions.-The Review and Herald, September 11, 1888. {LDE 179.1} Sad to see this prophecy fulfilled right in front of our eyes with Doug Batchelor
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Jesus was created, the first achievement of the father from old. If Jesus is the God why is Jesus always say I'm doing the will of my father who sent me. When praying who do you pray to which of the God if trinity
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If you believe Jesus was created then God didnt sacrifice anything on the cross for he could just create another Jesus and he is no different than Angel's or us.
Mr. Doug, have you read stories that are OUT OF BOX of what you BELIEVE? I mean: ANCIETY BABYLON RELIGION, ANCIENTY EGYPT RELIGION, ANCIENTY HEBREW RELIGION, ANCIENTY GREEK RELIGION AND ANCIENTY ISLAM?
Fundi Eddy Hi! I don’t usually like to answer for other people but I believe I can help you with that. Yes, he has! In fact, before becoming a Christian he went on a type of “journey” to find “god”. Ended up finding the One True God. ^^ His story is very interesting you can look it up it’s called “The richest caveman”. God bless :)
I’m so happy that SDA leaders now are part of our Trinity doctrine. Thank you SDA current leaders. Pls don’t believe your Prophet ELLEN WHITE for always telling that there are only 2 beings in Godhead. Trinity doctrine will unite all religion! 3 Gods is the way!
Hello Jesus is the Messiah The Son of God The Son of David The Son of man The man God has chosen to be his anointed king The man God will judge the world through The man God raised from the dead Jesus has a God There is no triune god in scripture Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. -
Jesus is God The Father is God The Holy Spirit is God There is only one God This is the plain reading of Scripture. Hence, the word "Trinity" is used to describe God. Let God be who He wants to be.
@Christian Man please provide the verse you are referring to. As far as I know, the LORD said to Moses the He will make Moses like a god to Pharaoh. However, you are claiming that Moses is called God. The word Elohim is not a name but a title, equivalent to God. In English, the Muslim will say that Allah is God, right? Stop twisting Scripture and the English language. Anyone with a sense of wisdom would understand what I said, that is, Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit is YHWH and what the Bible means when it says that Moses was like a god to Pharaoh.
The trinity is a 4th century creation stamped by Constantine who came from pagan worship which was rooted in the origin of triune gods. This is most disgraceful and discrediting doctrine against the Father, who alone is God.
He was as is everyone on earyh. When a woman is pregnant she is creating a new life. The living angels are the aliens from the Bible. Ezekiel Chapter one actually explained all that. Ezekiel described a craft that was horizontal, and not vertical. And Jesus is Adam, thus the father of the human race. The Father brought us DNA. Jesus brought us the spirit. By the same Spirit. Thus the father snd son and wholly ghost are one. And his DNA and his spirit lives in us. Even you and I.
PASTOR DOUG, please fast and pray about this topic! God must give you eyes to see and ears to hear. Allow Him to lead.
Jesus said I lay down my life so that I may rise it up again. He also said He is the resurrection and the life. So infact He ressurected Himself so He is God. His divinity NEVER DIED, got it?
Perfect timing. I'm working on a video about the Trinity, myself. Thank you for the insight, Pastor Doug!
@@unknow2k858 No
@@unknow2k858 Hi
The flesh was made, but the spirit was from everlasting to everlasting
Looking forward to this. Understanding how a triune God is still monotheistic is difficult.
Hi Greg! I actually did a sermon on the topic but in Spanish and put it on this channel. Talked a little about the whole controversy happening in our church about the truth of the Godhead.
Blessings!!
What I always like to bring up is when Jesus confronted the man that had a legion of demons in him. The demons, and not just one but many demons recognized Jesus as son of the Most High God and begged not to be tortured. How could a demon be so scared of a man unless he had a higher authority than him or even created him. We can also assume that they were present when Jesus created the earth and all things.
EXACTLY.
@Christian Man Nah Jesus Christ is God
@Christian Man so you believe Jesus is a lesser God aka another God?? That's paganism
Jesus is from the beginning with his father and the holy spirit
Thank you Pastor Doug
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But God did not have a beginning he is from everlasting to everlasting.
"And the Son of God declares concerning Himself: “The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was set up from everlasting.... When He appointed the foundations of the earth: then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him.” Proverbs 8:22-30. " Patriarchs and Prophets 34.1
I'm not sure if Doug still holds to the Spirit of Prophecy (the writings of Ellen White) but he seems to be going against the Bible and SOP.
Jason Neumann.. he is rejecting every evidence that shows the relationship between a Father and a Son. these pastors are echoing the same words/ thoughts of Satan... if thou be the Son of God..
His book on the Trinity is a proof of that
@@frenchmode1733, that is a sad but true thought. Let's pray more for the pastors, especially Doug.
Jason Neumann keyword /key statement is “ when He appointed the Foundations of The Earth “ ......
Jason Neumann That is a wonderful quote, I wonder how you believe Doug is not saying the exact same? I've read volumes of his along with the writings of Mrs. White and they all agree with the Bible EXACTLY on the eternal preexistence of the Word-Jesus. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1
"A complete offering has been made; for "God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son,"-- not a son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father's person, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." {ST, May 30, 1895 par. 3}
When Doug Batchelor holds his breath for 3 hours, I'll listen to him. Till then, I"m stickin with good ole' EGW. TYVM.
NO. HE WAS NOT CREATED HE WAS ALREADY HERE. HE IS THE ONE THAT CREATED EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE..
He Created the Sabbath
@@steviefoster5512 you didn't understand anything kid.
Yes!
John chapter 1 vers 1 2 3
In the beginning was the word and the word was with god, and the word was god. He was in the beginning with god.
All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made
That was made.
Jesus prayed that his disciples might be one as he was one with his Father. This prayer did not contemplate one disciple with twelve heads, but twelve disciples, made one in object and effort in the cause of their master. Neither are the Father and the Son parts of the “three-one God.” They are two distinct beings, yet one in the design and accomplishment of redemption.” {James White, 1868, Life Incidents, p 343}
Amen.
And this is life eternal that they might know thee, the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou has sent. John 17:3
James White does not determine my faith. I will follow the word of God. Not the word of a man. People make mistakes. James White made a mistake. I am sure he can to a more proper understanding later in life
@@waynejamel6703Both Ellen and her husband James White were in unity. So, we are to believe that James and Ellen White somehow had a different understanding of the Godhead yet were united in the great work and labored together for the salvation of souls?
That would make no sense at all. James White was an avid Non trinitarian and spoke boldly against that doctrine and taught that Jesus was the literal Son of God. According to today's SDA GC, we are to believe that Ellen White, being a prophet, somehow put this difference aside about the Godhead (the most important commandment according to Jesus Mark 12:28-34) and was totally unified in the work of the ministry with her husband.
Or, that being a prophet taken in up in vision once believed like her husband, but then all of a sudden became a trinitarian.
@@waynejamel6703 It was the highest sin to rebel against the order and will of GOD. All heaven seemed in commotion. The angels were marshaled in companies with a commanding angel at their head. All the angels were astir. Satan was insinuating against the government of GOD, ambitious to exalt himself, and unwilling to submit to the authority of JESUS. Some of the angels sympathized with Satan in his rebellion, and others strongly contended for the honor and wisdom of GOD in giving authority to his SON. And there was contention with the angels. Satan and his affected ones, who were striving to reform the government of GOD, wished to look into his unsearchable wisdom to ascertain his purpose in exalting JESUS, and endowing him with such unlimited power and command. They rebelled against the authority of the SON of GOD, and all the angels were summoned to appear before the FATHER, to have their cases decided. And it was decided that Satan should be expelled from heaven, and that the angels, all who joined with Satan in the rebellion, should be turned out with him. Then there was war in heaven. Angels were engaged in the battle; Satan wished to conquer the SON of GOD, and those who were submissive to his will. But the good and true angels prevailed, and Satan, with his followers, was driven from heaven. p. 17, Para. 2, [GC58].
So" the councils of the Godhead" included two persons only, in harmony with Zach 6: 13
@@waynejamel6703 James White agrees with his wife..read this and the SOP I already posted. Now, you have a choice to make. Which will you believe?
The Father is the greatest in that he is first. The Son is next in authority because He has been given all things. (James White, January 4, 1881, Review & Herald)
“Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. He was begotten, not created. He is of the substance of the Father, so that in his very nature he is God; and since this is so ‘it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell.’ Col. 1:19 ... While both are of the same nature, the Father is first in point of time. He is also greater in that he had no beginning, WHILE CHRIST'S PERSONALITY HAD A BEGINNING.” - E.J. Waggoner, Signs of the Times, April 8, 1889
Lord Jesus Himself STATES.....
Revelation 22:13
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginningand the End, the First and the Last"
Revelation 21:6
"And He said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts"
Revelation 1:8
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginningand the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
Matthew 23:10
"And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ"
John 17:11
"Now I am no longer in the world, but these arein the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are."
John 17:22
"And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:"
Lord Jesus CLEARLY STATES He is eternal, from the beginning, and IS ONE WITH THE FATHER....IE.....HE IS GOD!
Amen Olivier! Doug will see it in time....
For many years, the Masonic General Conference prepared parishioners to change signboards on churches from Saturday to Sunday, and they dreamed of achieving this through introducing a charismatic spirit into the church and now hope that the parishioners will calmly accept the beginning of church visits on Sundays.
Absolutely!
Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 34 "And the Son of God declares concerning Himself: "The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of His Way, before His works of old.I was set up from everlasting.... When He appointed the foundations of the earth: then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him." Proverbs 8:22-30
Got anything else on Jesus clearly being begotten or brought forth?
"In the beginning of his way." Meaning Jesus and the father are both from eternal past. Jesus is from the same beginning as God, meaning eternal. Because God has no beginning
Unfortunately, Doug Batchelor is mixing two verbs and declaring them the same. To beget and to create are two different things. No one would say that God begat the world; nor would they say that Isaac created Jacob. This, of course, is only one fallacy presented in this video.
Very good point.
Original text greek word was a god not God, to say its a bit confusing is and understatement.
Did jesus only come into existence at birth in bethleham, there no real logic in that argument, you would think that if jesus had to die a terrible death he would be first asked if he would be that person to take the sins of the world on his being.
Word...reason or plan..meaning in Greek logos
Let's see what the inspired writings of Sister White says on this subject so that we do not make any mistakes. Notice that she distinguishes "creation" from Christ being "begotten" and that Christ was "made" (not in the sense of being created of course).
"God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son,"-- not a son by *creation*, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son ***BEGOTTEN in the express image of the Father's person***, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. {ST, May 30, 1895 par. 3}
The Eternal Father, the unchangeable one, gave his only begotten Son, tore from his bosom Him who was ***MADE in the express image of his person***, and sent him down to earth to reveal how greatly he loved mankind. {RH, July 9, 1895 par. 13}
Doug Batchelor, I would love to hear your thoughts on these quotes, because not many are aware that these quotes are out there, helping us to not mistake what the Bible says.
He was "MADE" on this Earth...but ETERNAL in Heaven. BTW the HOLY SPIRIT is a SHE or FEMALE, according to Ellen G. White the Lord has kept 2 mysteries hidden from us (1) the Incarnation of Christ, and (2) the Nature of the Holy Spirit
In Isaiah 48:16 it says "I have Not spoken in secret from the beginning, from the time that SHE was (mis-translated as "IT" was) there Am I also, and the Lord God + His Spirit sent Me (sent Jesus-Christ into our world)"...so that in this verse it is Jesus speaking...so that it is a Circle a catch-22 if you will. This is also WHY the Holy Spirit is represented by a White Dove (female).
@Kevin Johnson That's because Parakletos (Comforter) is a he. It is simply Greek grammar. Sister White normally calls the Holy Spirit an "it." God is not an "it." We must not confound God with His Spirit, otherwise it violates our pioneer pillar of the personality of God, which means that God is a personal being in heaven and is not Jesus or the Holy Spirit.
@Kevin Johnson Absolutely NOT above is the Holy Family...The Holy Trinity...as Christ told the disciples "I have many things to reveal to you BUT you cannot receive them now". Also WHY is the Holy Spirit represented by a Female Dove~? ELOHIM means the Tri-Une Gods in hebrew, thus "LET us create Man in OUR Image & in OUR semblance... Male + Female...created He (for emphasis) them"... SO much stupid Macho BULLSHIT going on in the Church repeated by thick-sculled Males.
@Kevin Johnson What you are saying and citing cannot disprove that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God rather than a God-Being. If we were left to those Scriptures alone, it could be either way. The Bible tells us how it is, and Sister White testifies to the truth, but if we read with Trinitarian glasses on we will not see the truth.
Lord Jesus "made" His human form the same as He has created each of us. He firmed us. Lord Jesus is NOT man as we are. He IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN,ALWAYS WILL BE....GOD!!!
I Truly believe people read too fast. John 1 Verse 2 Clearly says,”the SAME was in the beginning WITH God.
Which mean The Eternal Heavenly Father And Son have the SAME...
(1) Character
(2) Spirit
(3) Majesty or Throne
(4) Power
(5) Glory
(6) Form and Fashion
(7) Created all things/Before
All things
(8) Both praised,Honored
and Worshiped by
everything in the
Universe created by The
Father
Through the Son.
What's beginning? I thought God didn't have a beginning. The truth is that it's talking about ever since Jesus was begotten he was with the father. And yes he has the same attributes as the father because he is the Son of God. The Bible clearly points out that Jesus is the son of God and so does Ellen White. Doug Batchelor is teaching falsehood.
Wait a minute, This man said in another video that Jesus is Michael the Archangel...and Angels are created! Now he's saying that Jesus is Eternal, he's always been there with the Father. That he cannot have been created! Well which one is it?
really ?? .... i did not notice that.
Did he really said that ??
i know what you're saying cause i saw that video to ...but i don't remember him saying that...
or am i getting confused/twisted ??
Yes he did say that. What makes you confused is that archangel doesnt mean is He is an angel. He's the head of the angelic host. There is a video where he cleared that up.
@@denversappleton4163 exactly!!!
That means he is the head of the angels. It's a title. He is not an angel.
SOP Vol 1 p17 24 THE GREAT CONTROVERSY.
CHAPTER I.
THE FALL OF SATAN.
Satan in Heaven, before his rebellion, was a high and exalted angel, next in honor to God's dear Son. His countenance, like those of the other angels, was mild and expressive of happiness. His forehead was high and broad, showing a powerful intellect. His form was perfect; his bearing noble and majestic. A special light beamed in his countenance, and shone around him brighter and more beautiful than around the other angels; yet Jesus, God's dear Son, had the pre-eminence over all the angelic host. He was one with the Father before the angels were created. Satan was envious of Christ, and gradually assumed command which devolved on Christ alone. p. 17, Para. 1, [1SP].
The great Creator assembled the heavenly host, that he might in the presence of all the angels confer special honor upon his Son. The Son was seated on the throne with the Father, and the heavenly throng of holy angels was gathered around them. The Father then made known that it was ordained by himself that Christ, his Son, should be equal with himself; so that wherever was the presence of his Son, it was as his own presence. The word of the Son was to be obeyed as readily as the word of the Father. His Son he had invested with authority to command the heavenly host. Especially was his Son to work in union with himself in the anticipated creation of the earth and every living thing that should exist upon the earth. His Son would carry out his will and his purposes, but would do nothing of himself alone. The Father's will would be fulfilled in him. p. 17, Para. 2, [1SP].
Lord Jesus is God, Christ,Lord,Savior and ETERNAL
Sorry, but Ellen White was a false prophet.
@@mmtoss6530 we need evidence and facts from the writings of Ellen White to support your point.
@@ulaiasirokotuinasigana5781 if current evidences are bot accepted by you, pray yo go to heaven and ask them yourself.
Thanks God for this video
The sins of babylon are about forcing unbiblical beliefs on people, so they will not be armed against Satan with a strong understanding of God's word.
Paul said there is one God, the Father.
The Pope said there is one God, the Trinity.
The Heruli and Ostrogoths said, "so the Trinity gave his only begotten son? How does that make sense?."
The Papacy said they taught Jesus was a created being.
Babylon means confusion. So they murdered all who would not accept their confusion.
Andrews said the Trinity is the wine of babylon because it destroys the personality of God. He said that in 1855, the same year he taught Ellen White that the Sabbath starts at sunset. In 1905 Ellen White says our doctrines have been established in the last 50 years. That 50 years begins in 1855. Ellen White never used words like "Trinity" or "triune God" or "God the son" or "Co-eternal" or any of these words relating to trinitarianism. But she does reject trinitarian teachings when she uses the term "personality of God".
The triune God is a pagan God, an invention of the Catholic Church, which originates from the pagan teaching that "all gods are one God".
The Catholic Church has stated that the Trinity is centrial doctrine of the Catholic Church, on which all her other doctrines are built. That's the doctrine they use to uproot two of the three horns.
The Trinity is referred to as "He" in the 28 fundamental beliefs. Ted Wilson said the Trinity is the Lord God Almighty. But, who is the Lord God Almighty according to Elen White? The Father. Just like in the bible.
She said the personality of God is a pillar of our faith, and she said the personality of God is everything to us as a people. It's what separates us from the Catholics.
Ellen White said the angels were created but Jesus was begotten.
But, Doug Bachelor rejecting the personality of God and the sonship of Jesus is like William Miller rejecting the Sabbath and like Peter going with the circumcision group. Even legendary evangelists make mistakes, and God is glorified in forgiving them as He forgives all of us for our errors.
Adventist leaders have made the wine of Babylon a test of fellowship and have planted the flag of the Pope in our church. They are the ones who have troubled Israel, as Elijah said. But all this is in fulfillment of prophecy, so they have an out if they are willing to repent.
Thank You Pastor Doug For Sharing This Inspiring Message . You Are Definitely A Genius. God Blessings.
God once said in the bible: Is there any limit to my power?
There is nothing impossibe or unachievable!
RH AUGUST 29 1878 THE PERSONALITY OF GOD . TEXT: "But to us there is but one God, the Father, whom are all things." 1. Cor. 8: 6.
The Bible says nothing about the trinity. God never mentions it, Jesus never named it, the apostles never did. Now men dare to call God, Trinity, Triune, etc. It is a great thing to name our God. We may name our horse, our child; but who presumes to name God? The child should not name its father. We should not name God. God is self-existent, and the source and author of all things,-of angels, of men, of all the worlds,-of everything. Thus Paul says, "For. of him, and through him, and to him, are all things; to whom be glory forever. Amen." Rom. 11: 36.
@Ronny Andersen Who we worship is indeed in the front. How can we ever understand Christ's Righteousness when we do not know who we worship? It is joined together. You cannot separate them Ronny.
Judith Ann, Excellent.
Ronny Andersen Your right on Jesus is not a doctrine He is the foundation. This means when Jesus asked His disciples who men said He was they said some Elijiah some one of the prophets some even John the Baptist. Jesus asked who do you say I am. Matthew 16: 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
So if the trinity is the foundation because Jesus is part of three in one God is that truth?
Jesus clearly tells peter he spoke the truth that in deed He is God’s Son. Tell me have you ever seen a son the same age as their Father?
You can not say the person who reads what Jesus said is going to side with Satan when Jesus said the gates of hell shall not Prevail against Jesus as the Son of the Living God.
Yet the trinity is The foundation of all the doctrines of the catholic church.
The Catholic Church says, “The mystery of the trinity is the central doctrine of the Catholic faith. Upon it are based all the other teachings of the church.” - (Handbook for Today's Catholic, p. 11)
So are you saying the catholic trinity is actually being on God’s side ? The non-trinitarian is on the wrong foundation?
The trinity denies Jesus as God’s Son. You really want to make the claim you may need to read a little more into your Bible.
The only way for anyone to understand is if the Father reveals Him to you as He did Peter.
Pastor Doug, have you read this?
"'God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son,'-not a Son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father's person, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." {ST May 30, 1895, par. 3}
or this?
“The Eternal Father, the unchangeable one, gave his only begotten Son, tore from his bosom him who was made in the express image of his person, and sent him down to earth to reveal how greatly he loved mankind. {RH July 9, 1895, par. 13}
or this?
“The Lord Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, existed from eternity, a distinct person, yet one with the Father. He was the surpassing glory of heaven. He was the commander of the heavenly intelligences, and the adoring homage of the angels was received by him as his right. This was no robbery of God. “The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way,” he declares, “before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth; while as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth.” {RH April 5, 1906, par. 7}
That he is eternal does not at all remove from him being the begotten of the Father. Why some resist that he is both, even if He himself says he is both, I don't understand.
John. 25¶These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
28I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
29¶His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.
30Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.
31¶Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?
Not a metaphor, as the biblical research center has said. They have been corrupted by Rome. But the disciples also were not wholly free from phariseeism. That's in DA.
Amen all those quotes just prove even stronger that Jesus is God
To all who are searching for the truth, do a simple study yourself. Go to the New Testament, that's a good place to start, and look at every where the word "God" is used . And ask the question, can that word be replaced with the word Trinity. That's what the church is teaching. It's teaching that God is somehow three in one including the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, "God the Holy Spirit". And somehow these three are one but yet they are three.
Romans 8:31-34;
1 John 1:3-7;
1 John 4:8-10; 3:21-24; 4:1-2, 7-14;
Revelation 21:22-23;
Philippians 4:19;
Ephesians 4:4-6 ;
1st Corinthians 8:4-7;
Mark 5:7;
James 2:19;
Mark 1:24;
Mark 13:11;
Luke 4:41;
Philippians 4:6&7;
John 1:18;
There is a few to get you started.
The fact is, in none of these verses could you use the word Trinity instead of the word God. The Trinity is a lie.
"God is the Father of Christ ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal to the Father." 8T p 268.
The good news is, we have a real Heavenly Father who loved us so much that He sent His real, only begotten Son into this world to become the second Adam, so that all who believe can be saved! We can be born again!
And Jesus, who is the divine Son of God, chose to come to save us. Oh what love they have for us!
Amen!
John1:1 in greek is in begining was Word ,the word was according to God And God was Word
One possible argument referring back to Proverbs 8 is that, if this is a prophecy of Jesus, maybe we are misinterpreting the phrase 'brought forth'. Think this way. Brought forth could mean 'revealed'. When was Jesus officially 'brought forth' (but still eternal)? Well, one answer would logically be at creation (of man, or angels). God revealed himself to his angels at their creation, God revealed himself to humans at their creation. Therefore, Jesus' "birthday" (brought forth day) would be the same as the first created being. This is because he never had to be reveal to anyone before this. ("Tore from his bosom" would be basically a metaphor, it is a little too heathen sounding for me to take literally. )
Please post all Bible verses with the word “trinity” and then the ones with the word “One” :)
tkmurphys (John 10:30) “I and my Father are one.” Then if you continue reading the Jews clearly wanted to stone Christ because he claimed to be God. Want any more verses? Just ask and I’ll show you.
@@DeivyCabrera4250 "I and my father are one" means they are one in purpose... Not the same person lol. He was NOT claiming to be God when about to be stoned... He NEVER claimed to be God... But He did claim to be His Son and the Christ. Any more verses you need explained just let me know.
The arrogance of trinitarians knows no bounds
A Knight who says ni sooo, what you’re trying to tell me that they wanted to stone him because he claimed to be the Christ? You do know that what you said there makes no sense right?
First of all Jews believed that they were sons of God, just like in Christianity we believe that we are sons of God but the difference with Christ was that he meant it in a very different way(literally claims to be the Son of God) that’s why they wanted to stone him.
Secondly, if they wanted to stone him because he claimed to be the Christ it wouldn’t make sense whatsoever because he committed no sin, so if he did not commit any sins how can they stone him for being a false Christ because even Pilate said that Christ committed no sin.
The only reason that they crucified Jesus was because he said that he would come down in the clouds of heaven to judge the people and they saw that as blasphemy because we not God can judge the world, so if only God can judge the world what does that make Christ? God, so your statement is not biblical my friend.
@@DeivyCabrera4250 What???? Have you even studied the bible. Of course they wanted Him dead because He claimed to be who He was.
Some Jews present had just said to him: “We are Abraham’s offspring and never have been slaves.” Jesus responds: “I know that you are Abraham’s offspring. But you are seeking to kill me, because my word makes no progress among you. I speak the things I have seen *while with my Father,* but you do the things you have heard from your father.” John 8:33, 37, 38.
Jesus’ point is simple: His Father is different from theirs. Unaware of what Jesus means, the Jews repeat their claim: “Our father is Abraham.” John 8:39 Isaiah 41:8 They are literally his descendants. So they feel that they are of the same faith as God’s friend Abraham.
But Jesus gives a shocking reply: “If you were Abraham’s children, you would be doing the works of Abraham.” Indeed, a real son imitates his father. “But now you are seeking to kill me,” Jesus continues, “a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.” Then Jesus makes the puzzling statement: “You are doing the works of your father.” John 8:39-41.
The Jews still do not grasp who Jesus is referring to. They claim that they are legitimate sons, saying: “We were not born from immorality; we have one Father, God.” Is God really their Father, though? “If God were your Father,” Jesus says, “you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. *I have not come of my own initiative, but that One sent me.”* Jesus asks a question and answers it himself: “Why do you not understand what I am saying? Because you cannot listen to my word.” John 8:41-43.
Jesus has tried to show what the consequences of rejecting him are. But now he pointedly says: “You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father.” What is their father like? Jesus identifies him clearly: “That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth.” Jesus adds: “The one who is from God listens to the sayings of God. This is why you do not listen, because you are not from God.” John 8:44, 47.
That condemnation angers the Jews, who answer: “Are we not right in saying, ‘You are a Samaritan and have a demon’?” By calling Jesus “a Samaritan,” they are expressing contempt for him. But Jesus ignores their slur, responding: “I do not have a demon, *but I honor my Father,* and you dishonor me.” That this is a serious matter can be seen by Jesus’ startling promise: “If anyone observes my word, he will never see death at all.” He does not mean that the apostles and others who follow him will literally never die. Rather, they will never see eternal destruction, “the second death,” with no hope of a resurrection.-John 8:48-51; Revelation 21:8.
But the Jews take Jesus’ words literally, saying: “Now we do know that you have a demon. Abraham died, also the prophets, but you say, ‘If anyone observes my word, he will never taste death at all.’ You are not greater than our father Abraham, who died, are you? . . . Who do you claim to be?”-John 8:52, 53.
*It is obvious that Jesus is making the point that he is the Messiah.* But rather than directly answer their question about his identity, he says: “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. *It is my Father who glorifies me,* the one who you say is your God. Yet you have not known him, but I know him. And if I said I do not know him, I would be like you, a liar.” John 8:54, 55.
Jesus now refers back to the example of their faithful forefather: “Abraham your father rejoiced greatly at the prospect of seeing my day, and he saw it and rejoiced.” Yes, believing God’s promise, Abraham looked forward to the arrival of the Messiah. “You are not yet 50 years old, and still you have seen Abraham?” the Jews respond in disbelief. Jesus answers: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” He is referring to his prehuman existence as a mighty spirit in heaven. John 8:56-58.
The Jews, enraged by Jesus’ claim to have lived before Abraham, get ready to stone him. But Jesus leaves unharmed.
But that doesn't make sense to you?? Why are you so blinded to the truth of the scriptures? Regards
The Father and Son share in the same Nature as God. Modalists and Arians see with one eye closed. Jesus is God, yet also distinguished from The Father. He shares inseparably in The Father's Nature with The Holy Spirit. (Matthew 28:18-20; Luke 3:20-21; John 15:26; 2 Corinthians 13:14; 1 John 5:5-9)
Hi Pastor Doug, I believe that all the bible is about Jesus, our finite mind is so limited, we can't even comprehend the deep truths of the word, though it is possible through the Holy Spirit. Now, you made mention that Proverbs 8:22-25 had nothing to do with Jesus, however EGW in Patriarchs and Prophets under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit had something else to say, just thought to share it with you. We're not all-knowing and we can make mistakes because we're mere mortals.
Heres the quote "And the Son of God declares concerning Himself: “The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was set up from everlasting.... When He appointed the foundations of the earth: then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him.” Proverbs 8:22-30. PP 34.1
It's definitely clear that it refers to Christ. However, I do believe that Christ was not created, For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.
Amen!
Doug has wrongfully accused those of us who reject the doctrine of the Trinity. We believe just as the early SDA church taught. Notice here below.
This question below was sent into the R&H. The R&H gave there return answer for the SDA Church dated April 17, 1883. The answer given, makes is very clear the positions they held, and proves they did not hold to the trinity doctrine. And they explain why.
RH April 17 1883
96.-CHRIST NOT A CREATED BEING.
Will you please favor me with those scriptures which plainly say that Christ is a created being?
ANS. You are mistaken in supposing that S. D. Adventists teach that Christ was ever created They believe, on the contrary, that he was "begotten " of the Father, and that he can properly be called God and worshiped as such.
They believe, also, that the worlds, and everything which is, was created by Christ in conjunction with the Father. They believe, however, that somewhere in the eternal ages of the past there was a point at which Christ came into existence.
They think that it is necessary that God should have antedated Christ in his being, in order that Christ could have been begotten of him, and sustain to him the relation of son.
They hold to the distinct personality of the Father and Son, rejecting as absurd that feature of Trinitarianism which insists that God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit are three persons, and yet but one person.
S. D. Adventists hold that God and Christ are one in the sense that Christ prayed that his disciples might be one ; e., one in spirit, purpose, and labor. See " Fundamental Principles of S. D. Adventists," 1872 published at this Office. Price, 4 cts
The Word was A god." (John 1:1) "Before Abraham came into existence, I have been". (John 8:58) "...the only-begotten son of God." (John 3:18) "...the first born of all creation." (Colossians 1:15). I can't believe how rigidly the churches are hanging on to this false doctrine. Thankfully, more and more people are starting to see through it though.
Can you send some resources or quotes to continue with what you’re saying because I do agree
Isaiah 40:25. The Most High has no equal.
Well pointed
He's always been
pastor Doug thanks for the truth you preach keep going
What a blessing seeing an hearing the truths, with no stumbling an looking for words to explain God
Please consider Jeremiah 23:1-3.
Xray images of the Salvator Mundi which was Da Vinci's very last painting addresses this very issue. Theres a reason the painting was sold for $450M and completely disappeared. The truth should be coming out very soon.
Love your works pastor Doug. God richly bless you 🙏
I sure hope you read all these comments : Doug is wrong here. Pray and fast about this.
@@he7is7at7hand yes he is wrong...7 day adventism is wrong too
@@he7is7at7hand i guess if you dont believe the Bible then he could be wrong. Because all he did was read the Bible
Question Was Seth created? What about Isaac? Reason being because they both was Begotten of their Father Adam(Gen 5:4) and Abraham(Heb 11:17) now neither of these two Fathers have the ability to create only reproduce after his kind thru birth. come on Pastor Doug I know you know this
Colossians 1:15-19 Explained
To the believers who say Jesus is God, you are being deceived and are inadvertently blaspheming the Father. Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of every creature (Colossians 1:15) and the firstborn from the DEAD (Colossians 1:18). The word that is used is “prototokos,” which literally translates to “birth order, first born.” God, the Father, created Jesus himself, which makes Jesus the only begotten [Son] of God. Everything else was done by Jesus, for Jesus (Colossians 1:16). Jesus is the first child ever born of God. As His firstborn, Jesus has inherited His Father’s power and spirit. He has received the Father’s blessing and the Father is pleased that all fullness dwells in His son (Colossians 1:19), but man prefers to lean on their own understanding and blaspheme against God instead of accepting His word. It matters not what the world says; the truth is God created and raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus owes his life to the Father, the true Alpha and Omega. Jesus is not God.
God, the son and holy spirit are as one. In the beginning let us create man in our image. Plural.
It is blatant error, and a denial of the Holy Spirit of Prophecy, to say that Wisdom is not Jesus when Sister White's writings indicates the opposite. This deserves a public confession, I believe.
Sure.. This is in essence a rejection of the Spirit of Prophecy. Deserves public confession. Why would Pastor Doug selectively apply SOP?
@@jamesotugha1610 He was NOT denying the Holy Spirit. He was making the point that people claiming Lord Jesus isn't God are misusing,misinterpreting Scripture. Plus...SCRIPTURE is God's Holy Perfect Breathed Word!!
@@jenniferornduff7835 Doug Batchelor has departed from the truth by sacrificing the truth with bread and butter. Prophecy fulfilled... He has denied on many occasions John 3:16 which is the foundation of our salvation. In this video clearly so, he has denied Proverbs 8. Open up your heart and let the Spirit of Christ teach you.
@@newrez2391 He has NEVER denied John 3:16. He encourages people to remember what the Father,Son Lord Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit(GOD) has ,is and will do for us and in us DAILY! He reminds us ,BY THE GUIDANCE AND KNOWLEDGE OF GOD, to never forget the sacrifice Lord Jesus Christ made for us.
@@jenniferornduff7835 atleast we still have access to the word of God. I will not stand for man made doctrines. History shows that attempts had been made to support this doctrine before even changing Bible text because it has never existed before. The third person you call God is Lucifer himself just as wants to reclaim his lost position. Read revelation 3:21, chapters 4, 5, 21 and 22 you will understand the work of the Holy Spirit and owner thereof. You people have 3 heads and one body type of maimaid type God who is a mystery. If God is a mystery why bother to even debate about him and even knowing him will be impossible. This is against the first and most important commandment. The Holy Spirit belongs to someone much as the evil spirit belongs to the devil. You can't separate and create another being from your spirit. The comporter whom Jesus promised is His personal presence here on earth, not another person. It is only Jesus who was touched with our infirmities as EGW stated, He is our comforter. You people are deceived by the mother of harlots as this trinity thing is her central doctrine. No wonder our church today is afraid to spread the 3 angel's message because of this ecumenism and religious liberty we have subscribed to.
Please ask the Holy Spirit, the spirit of Christ to teach you.
I've lost all energy trying to reason with unreasonable people.
Isaiah 43:11; Isaiah 44:6,8 ; Isaiah 45:5-6, 21.
Give me book chapter and verse in Torah or Tanakh that speaks of jesus.
Excellent. Bless!!
It is good to see that some are not deceived by the deception of who Christ is....... Matthew 16 vs
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed itunto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
So many others are deceived by what other people and false prophets say as if their words are greater than YAHUAH Word, they indeed will have to give an account.
Thank you again Pastor Doug! Very clear, very easy to understand. The Bible interprets it's self.
You and Walter Veitch are my fav ministers for different reasons. I pray I get to meet you in heaven.
I came across 2 verses that contradict this video Col.1:15 and Rev.3:14, can you pastor or anyone on the comments explain? Thank's to all.
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The flesh was made, but the spirit was from everlasting to everlasting
There is no church sda, in the place of it has long been a corporation subordinate to the state.
Amen!!!!
SDA always was a dangerous sect
Jesus was the creator.
Amen.
I think God help us to know better, I pray but proverbs 8,20-36. Fits christ, example in verse 35, "for whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord. Verse 36, but he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me loves death. Please interpret for us pastor
I think, as far as Christian theology goes, Seventh-Day Adventism has some solid doctrines, particularly on the state of the dead, Sabbath-keeping and abstaining from unclean foods. But on this one topic, I'd have to disagree. I admit; there are some difficult verses, and the majority of them are in the Gospel of John, which if I'm not mistaken is the latest of the Gospels. But regardless, there are some difficulties I'd like to see responses on.
In Mark 10:18 and Luke 18:19, Jesus asks and states, "Why do you call me good? No one is good, save God alone." (If Jesus, in John's Gospel, did not mind proclaiming himself to be divine, why would he have made statements like these in Mark and Luke?)
In John 17:3, Jesus calls the Father the Only true God.
John 14:28, Jesus says the Father is greater than he.
John 20:17, Jesus says he is ascending to his God. How can God have a God? How can God be the God of Himself?
Matthew 24:36, Jesus says that only the Father, and not the son, knows the hour of his return. How can God not be all-knowing?
Revelation 1:1 states that it is "the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him..." How can Jesus be given a revelation if he is God?
Hebrews 4:15 states that Jesus was tempted in all points as we, but James 1:13 says that God cannot be tempted by evil.
1 Corinthians 8:6 states that there is one God, the Father (and even though is describes Christ as an instrument of creation, it does not identify Christ as God)
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@@PastorBatchelor I don't know if it's really you, Doug, who replied to this, but if it is, please let me say that I have always had a lot of respect for you and I think you are such a lovely person.
How can Jesus pray and call on God if He Jesus is God. Please explain in a easy to understand answer. This is very important.
Thank you
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I am glad that I listened to this! I have listened to you for years and from your earlier teachings I concluded that you did not believe thatJesus is God: but he is micheal the arch angel
This really confused a lot of people.
Solo.d cool eyes... it shouldn't confuse any, if we know the word of God, but that is the enemy's intention and sadly, Doug is on the enemy's side. he rejects every evidence given about the Son of God. you and I cannot depend upon man to know God for ourselves, we must pray study and depend upon Him for guidance.
@@frenchmode1733 Can i ask how Doug goes against what is said about the Son of God. And since you are claiming that He is on the devils side and you saying that Jesus/God was created. And where is your proof. Because i have never seen Doug Bachelor give an accusation or what he believes without verses to back him up or facts. And you haven't provided any
Hope Lovegood.. ok.. it is easier to a video than to do all these typing. Doug gave many errors in his video but I will tackle one for the seek of typing. One of the biggest errors. proverbs the 8 chapter, He said has nothing to do with Christ. He said this chapter is referring to wisdom and not Christ. the chapter proves that Christ was born from the Father before the world was created. Doug do not want to believe the bible, so he said, this is only talking about wisdom. go to 1 Corinthians 1:24 and 30. you wanted bible proof, there it is. these men ignore the truth just to believe in a pagan doctrine. many more errors I can touch on but I leave the rest for you to do. go learn the truth and you too can see the errors with these guys.
@@hopelovegood8131, being created and being begotten are totally different things. Think about it: when God, through Christ, created Adam He took from the substances that He had already created and put them together to look much like them (the Father and Christ).
When Christ was begotten, although the Bible does not tell us how, we know that a begotten son comes from the person of the father. For us humans, it takes male + female but for God it does not. We don't know how the Son was begotten but I think we can take God's word for it that He was. The Bible says he came forth from the Father, and was sent.
@@frenchmode1733 that is still no proof.
Thank you pastor...
Hello Pastor Doug. I do not see any link. I want to have the copy. I'm from the Philippines.
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a person in authority can give up that position but he cant give up who he is. so when we say jesus became a man yes he did but he was still the man who is god . he added a body to himself . the o/t says a body thou hast prepared for me . his power was limited to humanity but in his essence he is still god
Jesus: Yahsua, before Abraham was I AM.john 8:58 Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
Very disappointed that you equate being begotten to being created and that you deny plain testimony from Mrs. Ellen White.
Examin the word possessed me .from Who’s Holy Spirit was used at creation ? Jehovah God or Jesus Christ ?
Thank you pastor. Well explained.
Dear Dougie , so sorry , I have done you a wrong thing.... on another Utube, channel, “man” says, that you say Jesus was “ created”!
He took a “snippet “ from your answer to say You think Jesus WAS created!!, after listening to the Whole pod cast
I now believe YOU, & Will stop listening to the Trash talkers out there. God bless you & de family.
will the third temple be physically built or will GOD intervene and not let it happen
Doug history is made threw reality.
Pastor... Can you please explain for me the principle of god the mother that is being preached by some churches today deriving it from Genesis 1 vs 26, they ascribe the image of God to a male and female image.... How best can we explain to them
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@@PastorBatchelor thank you very much 🤝
SDA THINK FRIDAY NIGHT AND SATURDAY IS THE 7TH DAY SABBATH
FRIDAY NIGHT AND FRIDAY IS THE 6TH DAY. SATURDAY NIGHT AND SATURDAY IS THE 7TH DAY SABBATH....... GENESIS
@@theremnantevangelist6644 So in your Bible it reads: "and the morning and the evening were the Xth day?"
I fully accept all you've shared with us. My question then is this: Jesus spent a lot of time praying to 'His Father'. We are taught that God became man that we may be saved. Jesus is my Savior and Lord. I don't believe Jesus was created but, if God became man to save us, why did Jesus spend most of His life praying to the 'Father'?
Jesus, in His fleshly form, showed us how dependency of anyone upon the Heavenly Father is vital! Also, it shows how intimate His relationship was with His Father. This was His source of strength right to the point of total separation at cross, due to sin.
I’m confused because the Bible says Jesus did not claim it to be robbery to be equal to God but then he says in another scripture that the father was greater then he, so was he equal or was the father greater?
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@@PastorBatchelor I sent the question on the website thank you.
Jesus is equal to the Father in essence and nature, but the Father is greater because He is the principal cause of everything. Jesus is the only begotten Son of the Father, so in relationship Jesus is less than the Father, just as a human father has authority over his son. All that the Father has is given to the Son, therefore we can say that Father and Son are equal.
Philippians 2:6 in the King James version says that Jesus “thought it not robbery to be equal to God.” However, the New American Standard Bible translates it, "Did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped". The English Standard Version renders it, "Did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped," and the Good News Bible says, "He did not think that by force he should try to become equal with God." The word "harpazo" in Philippians 2:6 means the seizure or robbery of something that one does not possess. If it is true that Jesus thought it not robbery to be equal to God, that would be contrary to what Paul is teaching in this verse about doing nothing through strife and vainglory but showing lowliness of mind. Jesus set an example for us by not attempting to be equal to God in any way but rather humbling himself.
Which form is God
Proverbs 8 is both speaking about Wisdom personified and also Wisdom as Christ, let us see what Scripture says ....... *[[1Co **1:24**]] KJV* But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
You believe Jesus is Michael because your founders were Arians. That is why you have so much in common with Jehova Witnesses. Your founders had the same beliefs as Charles Taze Russell who agreed with Millerites.
"Our pioneers clearly held Arian or semi-Arian views in regard to the person of Christ. They understood “firstborn over all creation” (Col 1:15) and “only begotten Son” (John 3:16) in a literal sense. The Father, therefore, was first and superior, and the Son, who had a beginning sometime in eternity, was subordinate to the Father. A corollary of this view was the belief that the Holy Spirit is an influence or the power of God, but not a person." (Gerhard Pfandl, Biblical Research Institute, The Doctrine of the Trinity Among Seventh-day Adventists; Journal of the Adventist Theological Society, 17/1 (Spring 2006): 160-179)
Just food for thought. Love you Doug...
Jesus is God but is He God Almighty? We are also gods according to Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.'
John 10:34-36 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods"'? If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be set aside-what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?
John 1:18 God, NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father -- he did declare.
(No one has ever seen God)
John 14:9 Jesus saith to him, 'So long time am I with you, and thou hast not known me, Philip? he who HAS SEEN ME hath seen the Father; and how dost thou say, Shew to us the Father?
(The Father is also, not God and everyone saw Jesus)
2 Chron 2:6 and who doth retain strength to build to Him a house, FOR THE HEAVENS, EVEN THE HEAVENS OF THE HEAVENS, DO NOT CONTAIN HIM.
(This universe CANNOT contain God)
1 Kings 8:27 But, is it true? -- God dwelleth on the earth! lo, the heavens, and the heavens of the heavens do not contain Thee.
(God NEVER dwelled on earth)
If you believe Jesus is God Almighty, you cannot believe He really died and if you believe He didn't die, you deny Ephesians 1:13 and make void the power of the cross.
God Almighty has no beginning and no end and cannot exist or even enter this temporal realm of time and space. He exists in the infinite realm and Jesus was sent into this realm as His image. Jesus is the mediator between God and man.
1 Ti 2:5 for ONE is God, one also is mediator of God and of men, the man Christ Jesus,
Colosians 1:15 who is the image of the invisible God, first-born of all creation.
The Trinity denies the death/sacrifice of Jesus Christ as God Almighty cannot die...can He?
"The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one." - {Ms140-1903.28} - EGW
Holy= which was, holy= and is, holy= and is to come
Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
"Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father-one in nature, in character, in purpose, the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God." - {Lt256-1906.8} - EGW
@@JudyAnn17 Very good Judith! Very few (handful) understand this truth regarding the Word and the Man Christ Jesus. I'm curious about how you came to this knowledge as I know of only one person (Terral Croft) that gets this. I'd love to hear your story.
Brian T.
@@fellowshipofthemystery6154 I have been a student for many years. God never shows us lies, he shows us the truth, so we can see the lie. God Bless.
Judith Ann I am confused.. please help
@@joanaggrey8200 The Father is the only one who is called "Lord God Almighty". This means he is the "Supreme Being" . Out of himself he begot his Son in eternal past. The Father is the source of everything including his begotten Son. Does that make sense to you?
Ok it does not make sense if wisdom was bought forth then what was God useing before he had wisdom???? Was your god not always full of wisdom?? and why did Jesus call His Father the only true God. John 17 :3 if there are three? God may be a mistery but who we worship should not. And who you worship is the last great spiritual battle. So treat this very seriously. And why do you say that there is one God but Jesus is god too wouldn't that make two not one. So now we have to forget common sense. And why did Rome change the bible to make a trinity if it was right all along. Matthew 28 : 19. Change from baptize in the name of Jesus to baptize in the name of the father and of the Son and holy ghost. Rome admits to this change in the Cathoilc encyclopedia vol2 p263. You can also prove this by common sense, as the disciples only baptize in the name of Jesus. Didn't they listen to Jesus supposed statment? No he never said it. i have found so may altered texts. So this is why we now have two views on this subject as each side cherry picks and ingnores the other text. Some try to explane a text away by saying God at one stage did not have wisdom so he bought it forth. Proverbs 8. And we are supposed to swollow this. Sorry you where better off ignoring it. So don't call me name. But find out just how much tampering there is. By the biggest known forgers on the planet Catholicism. And give sound argument for why a text is wrong. As there are so many that cut across a trinity. But are just plain ignored. Some changed text if someone wants to know. 1 John 5 : 7. John 1 : 1 this one is interesting as there are two different word in the Greek that are both translated as God in english. If there is a difference in Greek it is lost in english when you translate them to the same english word. Again common sense says this is wrong. But look what happen in english KJV bible Satan is now called god just what he always wanted As the god of this world. ( its the same word used for Jesus God the word) But in greek he does not get the exact same word as belongs to the only true God the father. As these two words are different. Why was Jesus asked to sit at the right hand if he was equal with God as the right hand is the next highest position was He demoted or promoted???? Hebrews 1 : 13. In 1 Corinthians 5 : 26 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. Who put all things under him God did. Who will be all in all God will be. And here God is not Jesus and here there is only one that is all in all and its not Jesus. So much for three coequal beings marking God. There are many such text that totally destroy the trinity but are ignored and the argument hangs mainly on altered and add texts. If any one is honest in this come at it from another direction like who should we worship and who do should we pray to. And who has the last say. And you will find that this is the one true God the Father the one that Jesus told us of and the one that Jesus will make all in all in his life. Will you make Him all in all too. Please consider.
“These people” believe the Holy Spirit is the Spirit OF God and OF Christ, as the Bible says. So Pastor, you deny the SoP? She was in error? Re-read P&P chapter 1, noting reference to Prov 8. In study of His word, you disregard His words making your own determination to what must have been. The Father Son relationship is of the utmost importance in the plan of salvation, and you’ve disregarded it. 😢
All things were made through Him. Jesus/Word was not created. Son of man was created now the ressurection is His firstborn of many others, He became a man and was ressurected as the Son of God.
Amen. Bless your ministry, Pr Doug.
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Greg, which screen name are you? I don't see your name Greg.
Please visit in the Philippines..specially in aklan boracay..
Isaiah 43:10 “You My witnesses,” says the Lord,
“And My servant whom I have chosen,
That you may know and believe Me,
And understand that I He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
Nor shall there be after Me.
11 I, I, the Lord,
John 1:10 Jesus is creator
Roman 9:5 Jesus is God
John 1:1-3 is speaking of the creation of this world.
Begotten is not created. Doug needs to stop adding his private interpretation.
Speaking of Proverbs 8, the Bible AND EGW are clear that this verse is speaking of Christ.
The Bible and EGW disagree with Pastor Doug Batchelor
"But to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God." 1 Corinthians 1:24
“The Sovereign of the universe was not alone in His work of beneficence. He had an associate--a co-worker who could appreciate His purposes, and could share His joy in giving happiness to created beings. "In the beginning was
the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:1, 2. Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father--one in nature, in character, in purpose--the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. "His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6. His "goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." Micah 5:2. And the Son of God declares concerning Himself: "The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was set up from everlasting . . . When He appointed the foundations of the earth: then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him." Proverbs 8:22-30. {PP 34.1}
Pastor in his sermon said that Jesus refereed to himself as "THE" "I AM".
Did he really? Let's see what the Bible says.
In Exodus 3:14, God "calls himself", I AM. Was Jesus also "calling himself" I AM in John 8:58?
According to most Christians, including SDAs, it is believed and taught that Jesus is saying in John 8:58 that he "is", I AM. John 8:58 is translated as follows:
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Is Jesus really claiming "to be" I AM?
Let's read another verse using the same Greek words ἐγώ εἰμι (ego eimi). Acts 26:29 says:
And Paul said, "I would wish to God, that whether in a short or long time, not only you, but also all who hear me this day, might become such as I AM, except for these chains."
Is Paul claiming to be the I AM of Exodus 3:14 in this verse?
No. In John 8:58, Jesus was just stating that he was already in existence before Abraham was in existence. We need to read in context. Jesus was NOT saying that in comparison to Abraham not being self existent that he himself IS self existent. Paul, in Acts 26:29, stated his hope that others would exist, or be, as he is.
In Exodus 3:14, in contrast, God was calling Himself I AM as identifying WHO He is.
And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
In the last part, the I AM is used as a noun to identify a specific person which is not the case in either John 8:58 or Acts 26:29.
Jesus is God in the same way that Eve is Adam. They are of one substance. That is another study.
Context is key.
Many other errors in this study of Pastor Doug. Please people, study to show yourselves approved unto God. If you want to know the other errors, please contact me. God bless you.
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Pastor Doug, did you creat your son, or your son was born, if creation means begotten and not born of ...?
FRIDAY NIGHT AND FRIDAY IS THE 6TH DAY. SATURDAY NIGHT AND SATURDAY IS THE 7TH DAY SABBATH.......GENESIS
Christ was BEGOTTEN, not created.
A complete offering has been made; for "God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son,"-- not a son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father's person, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. {ST, May 30, 1895 par. 3}
There is a difference between being created and begotten.
YESHUA (JESUS) was in the begining and us in GODS plan HIS name and our names was written in the book of live before the creationo of heaven and earh
My understanding is that God has a name. He is called Jesus Christ. He is the spirit. We have only one God people. Not three. He was incarnated as man.
It is Satan's plan to weaken the faith of God's people in
the Testimonies. Next follows skepticism in regard to the vital points of our
faith, the pillars of our position, then doubt as to the Holy Scriptures, and
then the downward march to perdition. When the Testimonies, which were once
believed, are doubted and given up, Satan knows the deceived ones will not stop
at this; and he redoubles his efforts till he launches them into open
rebellion, which becomes incurable and ends in destruction.-Testimonies for the
Church 4:211. {Last Day Events 178.2} Many a star that we have admired for its brilliance will
then go out in darkness.-Prophets and Kings, 188 (c. 1914). {LDE 178.3}
Men whom He has greatly honored will, in the closing scenes
of this earth's history, pattern after ancient Israel.... A departure from the
great principles Christ has laid down in His teachings, a working out of human
projects, using the Scriptures to justify a wrong course of action under the
perverse working of Lucifer, will confirm men in misunderstanding, and the
truth that they need to keep them from wrong practices will leak out of the
soul like water from a leaky vessel.-Manuscript Releases 13:379, 381 (1904).
{LDE 178.4}
Many will show that they are not one with Christ, that they
are not dead to the world, that they may live with Him; and frequent will be
the apostasies of men who have occupied responsible positions.-The Review and
Herald, September 11, 1888. {LDE 179.1}
Sad to see this prophecy fulfilled right in front of our eyes with Doug Batchelor
I wish you would go back and put spaces between your quotes. They're good quotes but it's hard to tell which one is which. Thanks.
Til we tackle another topic from the holy book pastor Doug..
May i ask is ur daily devotional that i was receiving for years has come to end?u will never send me/us a freedaily devotional?
Thanks for answering pastor Doug,and i pray that those who were using ur name to make scam didnt win their bad intentions..
God bless.
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Jesus was created, the first achievement of the father from old.
If Jesus is the God why is Jesus always say I'm doing the will of my father who sent me. When praying who do you pray to which of the God if trinity
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Yes jesus was created like all of us and his soul was incarnated just like everyone around the world.
If you believe Jesus was created then God didnt sacrifice anything on the cross for he could just create another Jesus and he is no different than Angel's or us.
Mr. Doug, have you read stories that are OUT OF BOX of what you BELIEVE?
I mean: ANCIETY BABYLON RELIGION, ANCIENTY EGYPT RELIGION, ANCIENTY HEBREW RELIGION, ANCIENTY GREEK RELIGION AND ANCIENTY ISLAM?
Fundi Eddy Hi! I don’t usually like to answer for other people but I believe I can help you with that. Yes, he has! In fact, before becoming a Christian he went on a type of “journey” to find “god”. Ended up finding the One True God. ^^ His story is very interesting you can look it up it’s called “The richest caveman”. God bless :)
I’m so happy that SDA leaders now are part of our Trinity doctrine. Thank you SDA current leaders. Pls don’t believe your Prophet ELLEN WHITE for always telling that there are only 2 beings in Godhead. Trinity doctrine will unite all religion! 3 Gods is the way!
I have never seen where she said that and has always referred to the Godhead as Triune so please send your references
Heretics & blsphemers
Great video
Noelia Sepulveda... the video is miss leading you and many.
just video....
God Bless Doug thank you
It will not be God blessing him if he continues on in these blatent lies.
@@he7is7at7hand What. Lies is Doug teaching. ?
Hello
Jesus is the Messiah
The Son of God
The Son of David
The Son of man
The man God has chosen to be his anointed king
The man God will judge the world through
The man God raised from the dead
Jesus has a God
There is no triune god in scripture
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
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Jesus is God
The Father is God
The Holy Spirit is God
There is only one God
This is the plain reading of Scripture.
Hence, the word "Trinity" is used to describe God. Let God be who He wants to be.
@Christian Man please provide the verse you are referring to. As far as I know, the LORD said to Moses the He will make Moses like a god to Pharaoh. However, you are claiming that Moses is called God. The word Elohim is not a name but a title, equivalent to God. In English, the Muslim will say that Allah is God, right? Stop twisting Scripture and the English language. Anyone with a sense of wisdom would understand what I said, that is, Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit is YHWH and what the Bible means when it says that Moses was like a god to Pharaoh.
The trinity is a 4th century creation stamped by Constantine who came from pagan worship which was rooted in the origin of triune gods. This is most disgraceful and discrediting doctrine against the Father, who alone is God.
He was as is everyone on earyh. When a woman is pregnant she is creating a new life. The living angels are the aliens from the Bible. Ezekiel Chapter one actually explained all that. Ezekiel described a craft that was horizontal, and not vertical. And Jesus is Adam, thus the father of the human race. The Father brought us DNA. Jesus brought us the spirit. By the same Spirit. Thus the father snd son and wholly ghost are one. And his DNA and his spirit lives in us. Even you and I.