I see them all the time when I go to the corner convince store between midnight and dawn. They're usually hogging the checkout counter with about five instant lottery tickets or staring absently at a shelf.
I love how the core problem with the BoS is the question about accepting outsiders. If the requirement for being a member is that your parents are members, the BoS dies out. If they take outsiders to train, they are an unstoppable army. If they become unstoppable, they stop recruitment. Just can't wait for the Gigachad Midwest Brotherhood to show up again. Tanks, Supermutants, Talking Deathclaws and Killer Robots as well as fighter jets all overseen by a supercomputer powerd by the players brain. And PCs in the Fallout series are always some sort of ubermenschen.
Just look at the East Coast BOS in Fallout 4, there a literal army that have there own Armada of aircraft let alone make there own weapons and armour and have a giant walking indestructible killer robot. The West Coast BOS nearly won the war with the NCR and crippled there currency, imagine what the East Coast BOS would do.
I wouldn't say unstoppable they took too long to actually recruit and they're not actually like a nation more a paramilitary force. Most of their weapons are scavenged while the NCR is producing most of their equipment and not to mention artillery While it's possible the Brotherhood has artillery and stuff they're tactics aren't really fitting with artillery. You can't hit and run a position and always have artillery piece support
@n1uk i dont think that the NCR would be doomed even if the east coast chapter would attack them. The NCR probably won the battle of Hooverdam and with it got the treasures and plans of technology. Mr. House has probably many plans laying around as the founder of Robco. The NCR is also battle hardened against the Legion. The NCR has probably to this point a army that can’t be compared to other factions. And the NCR with its economy can easy outproduce all chapters 🤔
@n1uk True, but I don’t really care for the games and lores Bethesda is making. They ruined the lore with 3 games 🥲. I hope, Bethesda hires some writers of obsidian, who actually understands the IP. And they also should uncannon F4 and F76
The strength of the NCR is their ability to adapt. The Brotherhood of Steel however is too brittle. The Brotherhood should have seen the rise of the NCR and gotten in on that. Their choice was Change or be Destroyed. They didn't choose tae Change. If the Brotherhood had joined the NCR, they could have negotiationed a postion of Strength and worked to MAKE people worthy of their tech. The Brotherhood should have taken inspiration frae the Followers of the Apocalypse. Fecking shame.
The OG Maxsons intentions, which was long before the NCR existed, were to help wastelander communities survive, so the ideals of people like Lyons are actually following the original ideals the Brotherhood was founded on. The hoarding of technology came second back then as far as I know
@@romanusplayz-wx7owyou are correct, the brotherhood out west even though they are the origin fell far from what the original BoS laid out, in fallout 2 you kinda already know or get the feeling that this coast of the brotherhood will never change. The east follows more in line on what the BoS originally stood for even Arthur’s brotherhood in my opinion his faction is the golden age of how the brotherhood should be yeah there are some rotten eggs that make the brotherhood look bad but from how he treats his soldiers to the world outside they aren’t afraid to simply trade you the technology for something else and even are fine giving technology away if you help them. The capital wastland from what we know in Fallout 4 is in way more better shape and is in the direction of going on the road to being as civil as NCR territory. You can even find that Arthur promotes soldiers’s therapy to avoid serious PTSD and other trauma. And cares for them when they have to send a form of email to a fallen soldier’s family back in DC. BoS east coast now would’ve made the NCR run for their money probably even the current NCR since by now it’s been 6 years after NV events. As they run more like a proper military than a para military tech cult and they have more than just land tech superiority but air superiority as they have way more verti-birds and pilots available than NCR since they were generally used to move VIPs and run very important ops since loosing one is extremely costly. Granted they don’t have the numbers and probably never will since they never want to be running a country they have far more superiority than the counter parts even in numbers.
@@allenaju1856 The brotherhood of the West and East has lost connection after the ideology of old Ways and new ways , by the old ways : Preservation of Technology and new Ways: Help the people , the West is the staple of the Brotherhood before the East campaign changed there ways , not until Fallout 4 where Elder Maxson decided to fall back onto the old ways, but the Separation between ideology cause the West Faction to lose power
@@redflaminggamer9159 the original brotherhood was a good mix. If you play 76 you even hear how Maxon wants the brotherhood to be it was to protect the people and preserve dangerous technology from the wasteland. It started with helping survivors but after being burned so many times and realizing that people are only becoming more barbaric does he realize that they need to keep humanity knowledge and technology kept so that the possibility of the rebirth. Only after they lost radio communication and Roger was getting older did they start changing into a more militant and secluded, technology hoarding faction. When Lyons moved eastward they only then started to be like the original faction with allowing new members be from the wasteland, saved as much non serious mutated children from the Pitt
he's right. in the amount of time it takes to manufacture a laser weapon and power armor you could easily put together basic ranger clothing and about 40 service rifles in the same time span.
I honestly don't agree with him. If you're outnumbered 15 to 1, power armor is your best chance at survival. Might not give you the advantage in that scenario, but it's the #1 thing you'd want for equalizing the odds.
@@B463Lwhy? Normal bullets go right through power armor it’s only for energy weapons. And you’re slow and a giant target. Agility is more important when out numbered
@hkmma6543 normal bullets bounce right off of power armor, you'd need something like a .50 rifle cartridge to reliably punch through. The ghoul from the TV show used armor-piercing rounds against a weakness in the armor specifically because, normally, it's fairly bulletproof. In F:NV you can even point out to someone that a T-51b's visor is bulletproof.
I think the making of Maxon into a deity would suggest the brotherhood in the West is actually more desperate, it means they are looking for hope, for something to turn to in difficult time. Even in the real world, people will turn to religion when they are more desperate because they want some sort of hope, this even against logic. In fallout, Maxon being seen as a deity may really suggest that the brotherhood is still in an extremely weak position and are looking for something, anything to give them hope.
Yeah I’ve always read this as, hey we’ve got crazies in the bunkers who are worshipping you, so we’re putting a stop to that, not so much that there are people on the surface worshipping him.
@@clarkthomas8574 Pretty much this. Why would ppl worship Maxson, unless they are so desperate for a leading figure. And to put a stop to those cults, which I'm pretty sure is inside those bunkers, wouldn't take that much manpower or resources.
Brotherhood of steel lore is incredible, never get tired of seeing more from em! They are easily one of the most interesting factions in fallout. Their morally Grey stance and attitude towards the wasteland and knight-like military structuring makes them an awesome faction in the franchise.
@@thechickenFarmer50 Yeah, they want humanity to not have technology. So they will never make the same mistake again. The outlier of the Brotherhood of Steel was Lyons family, if you ever encountered any Outcast in Fallout 3 that is how a usual Brotherhood of Steel member would act.
My own guesses as to the current status of the Brotherhood High Elders is that they've either been forced to (somehow) relocate out of NCR territory, spared because the NCR doesn't consider the siege of Lost Hills to be worth the cost, or were KIA and another chapter's Elders were promoted in response.
I don't think the NCR could even take lost hills, given it's the oldest brotherhood base in existance with anywhere from hundreds to (more likely, since it's self sustaining) thousands of people with the best technology the WBOS could gather fighting from an extremely fortified position where the NCRs advantage of numbers mean nothing.
@@Slenderslayer351 I just flat out don't think it can be taken. Imagine NCR troopers trying to get down a corridor but the corridor is full of automated turrets and on the other end there's a bunch of paladins with laser gatlings in a fortified position mowing you down, and every time they need to reload or whatever they just swap out with another paladin so there's just endless laser fire.
@@accountname9506 That's just getting inside though, they would have Airships (Unless that's just the East BoS), Vertibirds, countless paladins on stand-by, robots, turrets... They might not even get close to the door.
It's funny how to writers could have conflicting ideas on things. Obsidian over many games show that the Brotherhood is a flawed and dying group but bethesda is like hey they are a iconic faction in old fallout, they are numerus and now everywhere, lets also have a group of them in 76 for some reason then kill them off. (The funny thing is my favorite fallout game is tactics but that is semi-cannon at best and I don't know why, it fits in the lore and would favor bethesda ionic fodder quite well.)
Come on you have to admit, the eastern brotherhood idea was pretty spot on. Instead of there traditional beliefs, lions brotherhood began to use there resources and technology to help people. But I didn’t really like the story about the BOS in fallout 4. It went back on the same flawed principles the Bos stood for. But overall I don’t mind expanding the story. There are so many possibilities, just gotta have a good writer to tell that story
@@major_lazer1269 The way Bethesda is writing it they should just populate slightly further away from the previous games like in fallout 1 and 2 so they can keep the same factions but they have them on the other side of America so they don't have to deal with lore, why not have parallel groups developing like inventing the wheel, this group also runs around in power armor but had different things happen to them in history leading to different doctrines like being the goody goody lions group is now the regiment # Iron Lions. Having so many groups sharing the same name but is divided by distance and time is weird to me, by their logic America and Australia should have never came up with new things to call ourselves and just stuck to being "British" to keep things as confusing as possible.
@@boobio1 I don't count them either, nothing happens in 3, 4 missed the chance to copy the coolest idea of blade runner that they only live for 4 years and the only good thing 76 did was them taking a risk of making new mutants and robots.
@@Intr0vertical I remember that a space station and launch complex would have been featured in the main quest do you think that they would have been good ideas?
Retconned raider made videos about this :) In short the original cause of the war was the NCR’s colonization of Hoover damn which is where the original strain of the FEV was held, and thusly the brotherhood NCR war began.
@@Dorkeydaze Thanks for that, if the NCR got kicked out of the Mojave do you think the BoS will call a truce with the faction? Also do you think the events of Van Buren are cannon if not said otherwise?
Yes we as a small underground group should tell this literal nation on what they should do with their weapons and start enforcing those laws ourselves if they refuse This could possibly not backfire at especially the fact their military outnumber us 10000 to 1
A very nice video. I hadn't realized how much west coast lore there was in Fallout 3 and 4. It occurs to me that it's quite bizarre that sending an infant cross country was considered reasonable considering how long that would take in the modern day and we don't have bands of armed raider and mutated wildlife roaming the countryside, especially given how pressed for resources the Brotherhood would have been at the time. As for future video ideas, I don't know if there would be enough content available but maybe look at how the NCR is organized, how much independence the states have relative to the central government, differences in lifestyles between the states, that sort of thing. Or to continue the theme of the NCR antagonizing everybody, maybe look at the history of the Great Khans and the conflicts with the NCR.
As of Fallout 4, The Chosen One is either taking care of Arroyo (which is a now a fully-fledged civilized state) or dead from old age, either way i don't believe that the Chosen One would care about the Brotherhood conflicts since his grandfather the Vault Dweller also didn't care, he just wanted big guns to defeat the Master
I the Chosen One would simply give support to both side in term of medical supplies and foods. Also try to appease the whole conflict. He didn't have ill feeling from either
I feel that the Chosen One would just stay out of it. By the end of Fallout 2, his mom, the village elder died a few months after the destruction of the Enclave oil rig. So he took the mantle of elder of New Arroyo. At most, his civilization would be giving out medical supplies just like the Followers, but that’s it really. Besides, what good of an elder to just up and leave to help the NCR or BOS directly? Also, as someone said here, if this started around the 2260’s and the Chosen One was born 2221, he would be around his 40’s and since the war is still ongoing by 2281, he’ll be in his 60’s. A bit too old to even fight really.
@@yaboiii6562 Hello great work with this video, if I may make a suggestion how about a video where in Fallout 4 the player never left the Vault and what affect that would have as continuation of your FNV video of the same topic?
@@Timoshemperoni There has already been the Outcasts with the BoS in F03. For the NCR how about if in the event House won FNV l Lee Oliver & Chief Hanlon both run of the office of president with Less wanting to return to Vegas and destroy House, legion & BoS regardless of the cost while Hanlon seeing that war against the hand that feeds them water, power & with the BoS who are inside the NCR would destroy them both from the inside & outside with where they are in morale, army population, the oncoming food crisis. Maybe Hanlon would in the interest of self-preservation for the NCR would seek to have as peaceful interactions with the groups around him apart from the legion in a return to Tandi's rule. What do you think?
What never changes in war is the total losses that war brings everytime its started: war never changes because of military and civilian losses. That will always stay the same in each war fought. This is how I understand it.
This war could have had its own important famous battle, maybe like a modern version of Agincourt - Brotherhood Paladins in their armour trying to storm an NCR position, only to get bogged down in the terrain by the weight of their gear, and picked off by the troopers one by one. It could have been remembered as a turning point where the NCR began to figure out weaknesses in the Brotherhood's tactics and doctrines, so they could make more efficient use of their numerical superiority. (This occured to me because somehow I can't get rid of this mental image of a Paladin being swarmed and pulled down by a half-dozen Troopers, who then prise open the power armour with knives)
I mean, feasible, but not very likely in the arid desert like environs where they fought, or when said knights have Gatlin lasers. Getting bogged down just doesn't seem like too big an issue vs running out of ammo or troops
@@somm150 during the (IRL) battle of Agincourt, it was largely their armor that lost the battle for the French. Ever run out of fusion cores, or drop your Power Armor down the hole at Dunwich Borers? “Then they had to walk a few hundred yards (metres) through thick mud and a press of comrades while wearing armour weighing 50-60 pounds (23-27 kg), gathering sticky clay all the way. Increasingly, they had to walk around or over fallen comrades.” “…The French could not cope with the thousands of lightly armoured longbowmen assailants (who were much less hindered by the mud and weight of their armour) combined with the English men-at-arms. The impact of thousands of arrows, combined with the slog in heavy armour through the mud, the heat and difficulty breathing in plate armour with the visor down, and the crush of their numbers, meant the French men-at-arms could "scarcely lift their weapons" when they finally engaged the English line.” Source: Wikipedia ‘Battle of Agincourt’ I don’t feel like hunting down a source for this one, so, lastly, have you got any clue how dangerous it is for the crew of a tank to get stuck? Armor’s damn-near useless on a sitting duck.
I just love the Brotherhood so many times saved by random strangers... Real skilled folks in diplomacy. Will never forget my first NV playthrough where i conscripted everyone to help the NCR only to throw the General of the Damn...
and apparently, according to the last time I played the HoI4 Fallout mod, around the end of the Brotherhood conflict they felt like they had the manpower and recourses to help out a faction of Luchadores down in Mexico, who had just figured out how to build shacks btw, in a war against a cartel and an AI that thinks they are the resurrected incarnation of an emperor of Mexico.... the Old World Blues mod is weird
Something I'd like to see you cover are the less talked about nations/raiders/tribes, the 80's gor example. Although I am not sure if you would have enough material for the whole video XD
You are an actual idiot if you think the legion and the brotherhood would work together despite what's in the game (and the legion even betrays the Bos) The legion are lead by an egotistical moron that thinks we should destroy all tech and go back to being monkie with sticks and doesn't know shit about Rome despite his "I read book" speech he seemed to gloss over that the Romans where highly innovative and utilized the most advanced tech of the time.
An idea I have which I think could be a cool side quest if magically there was another game set in the west, even if it's not a direct sequel to New Vegas, but still features the NCR, is getting involved in an election. Perhaps Kimball is deciding to retire but his replacement needs to be voted in and he prefers either Oliver or Moore but perhaps the player can convince Colonel Hsu to run and get retired Chief Hanlon to endorse him. This could impact the response the NCR has to a local Brotherhood chapter
Im thinking that the NCR is really overstretched with their expansion and having their bureaucracy to be more sluggish and corrupted. That the Brotherhood is slowly regaining its strength. And they're keeping a careful eye on the NCR, hoping that they're would be a vital weakspot that they can exploit.
@@spookyengie735 Aye. NCR has a strangle-hold on California itself. As The Mojave was basically became to them what Vietnam was to the US in the 1970s. A quagmire of bureaucracy and incompetent leadership messing everything up on the frontlines in a war against an enemy that was far to stubborn to cut their losses and far to brutal to not take seriously.
The east shall descend upon the pathetic bear like a deathclaw tearing the throat from a yao guia. We shall destroy the ncr and see their cities crumble
The BOS nearly beat the NCR in the war, the NCR only advantage is mass number of recruits. If a small faction like the west coast BOS can nearly defeat the NCR imagine what the East Coast BOS from Fallout 4 would do.
While I can understand the Brotherhoods mission of keeping dangerous technology out of the hands of those who would abuse or misuse such technology it doesn’t give them much right to take away ALL weapons based technology that’s highly advanced. They act like they are the sole arbiters in regards to policing and collecting such technology whereas there are other groups that have their own thoughts and opinions on what to do with such technology. The fact they aren’t willing to compromise or even negotiate with other factions shows they would rather the whole pie than a slice of it. If you ask me the only reason why the East Coast Brotherhood is doing better than their West Coast Chapters is because they’ve already dealt with the only real faction that could threaten them, and they haven’t really encountered others that could really challenge them or hinder them in any way.
This has been a very good video and topic, 10 out of 10, what will you be doing next? If I may make a suggestion what about a continuation of your what if the player did nothing in the games events and show what could have happen if the Player of Fallout 4 did not come out of vault 111.
The institute wins and slowly replaces the citizenry of the commonwealth with synths. The railroad is caught by spies and dismantled in a raid. Some remnants might find their way to DiMA's enclave and live out their lives there as the island is united by DiMA's infiltration efforts and eventually claimed for the Synths. The Minutemen never reorganize and are wiped out with the group around Preston Garvey. The BoS tries to establish a foothold in the area but is caught in a war of attrition with the Institute that they can not win and eventually run out of fuel for the Prydwinn at which point they either have to leave or land. When they land they are entirely wiped out by Synths. While trying to establish their foothold, the BoS might get increasingly more extreme and start a large-scale witch hunt for Synths that includes mass executions. With no one to protect or organize them and also suffering from raider attacks, most of the settlements are decimated and abandoned. Eventually the area is taken over by Synths and the raiders are driven away or infiltrated. End of story.
@@Salted_Fysh That sounds interesting, very well thought out. I have another idea, what if Vault 111 residents along with the player where able to leave the Vault 5 years before the games events, what affect on the timeline do you think that would have or if Vault 81 learnt of the vault 61 years before the games events & gen 3 Synths did not get created?
🤔dude... you need more likes here. A pre-game slide of fate without the player. After you finish the main quest a post game slide. You need to contact Bethesda & slap someone. 👍
This video is great it really exposes why the Brotherhood is so full of rubbish. This entire war is because the Brotherhood were insecure losers, who put their selfish desires above the benefit of humanity
If you look at the corrupt state of the NCR the BOS is only preventing the same problems occurring, the abuse of technology. The NCR have become an imperialistic and corrupt force in the wasteland. They only serve a few Brahmin barons and the mafia. The technology the BOS possesses will be end up abused by the ncr.
@@mitchjames9350 Fair. But frankly I think you're giving the BOS a little bit too much credit here. The rhetoric they tell themselves about safekeeping dangerous technology is mostly bunk. It's not that they're trying to save the wasteland from NCR expansion and imperialism, they honestly couldn't care less. They just have a tech fetish and get pissy when any other society uses it without them having a hand in the control and distribution.
@@boobio1 If FO4 is canon then the Institute wins. They have nuclear fusion energy, synthetic soldiers and workers, and teleportation. They also reinvented Guerrilla Warfare _and_ Gorilla Warfare. The Legion's best technology is a car chariot and they're somehow a threat to the NCR.
If only they adapted their tactics. Imagine if they used power armour like tanks with unarmoured soldiers backing them like in the show. They can be a force to be reckoned with as long they have skilled knights. And if they also invested in artillery to match the NCR, the brotherhood could win very easily considering their weapons advantage it's just that they are always horribly mismanaged
Even as a firm Brother of Steel, I always choose the peace option in New Vegas. While I don't favor the NCRs path, as in my opinion they are retrudgeing the path that lead to the conditions for the Great War, and that they are Expansionists, I think cooperation is possible. Certain conditions would need to be met, but as long as the BoS territories are left alone, then there shouldn't be too much hostility to be born. I think the NCR should pull out of the Mojave, as they can barely run California, Baja, and the like efficiently as it is. Spreading themselves too thin isn't practical. Also, in my opinion the BoS needs to form its own proper territory, which should include the Lost hills region, the Hidden Valley area, and the State of Maxson at the least. Now I know NCR supporters will say that it's NCR territory now, but I think giving the BoS the Maxson state as a concession for peace is a fair compromise. In return the BoS can assist in protecting the trade routes of the NCR, and also an ally against potential threats, both mutual and otherwise. Even if the NCR did win in New Vegas(as in if it was the Canon ending), the Legion is still quite sizeable and strong, having control of the Colorado territory, which isn't too far away. And who knows what else might pop up. Some new mutant threat(both Super Mutant and otherwise), or maybe a Mutated sentient plant which could spread throughout the wastes, who knows what's hidden in its depths..
The thing is, the NCR needs the Mojave, they can't just pull out. Hoover Dam provides most of the power and water in California, as most natural lakes back West have dried up. People always say, the NCR is overexpansionist and imperialist, and needs to pull back, but the simple reality is they NEED the Dam for their nation to survive, especially on the frontier.
Expansionism is intertwined with advanced civilization of more or less any kind. Even those societies that trend slightly more to isolation tend to either develop within their sphere or wither away and die later - or are later crushed by those that do. As in Fallout as in real life.
Great video. I'd like to see a full breakdown of the Brotherhood of Steel and their culture throughout their history and possibly some connection into what might happen going forward after Fallout 4.
The fallout 4 brotherhood was a powerhouse and it was awesome. They’re definitely canon. There’s always people out there super insecure and crying about the Bethesda fallouts just ignore them
The bos didn't find hidden valley and then go to Helios, they found Helios and retreated to where they thought some old prewar bunkers were when the NCR kicked them out of Helios and thus named it hidden valley
@@mitchjames9350 the westcoast was going good but there numbers were limited as fuck and now the ncr army is better with better train and equipment so would be a good fight
I'm not really a fan of both, but if i had to, I'd go with the Brotherhood. They're harsh bastards at times but their goal of salvaging potentially dangerous technology and keeping it out anyones grasp seems a lot better than trying to replicate a government that had a hand in ending the world in the first place.
More importantly, the Brotherhood tend to have a live and let live attitude with most other people's in the wasteland (so long as they avoid advanced technology). Of course the East Coast Brotherhood are an exception
@@AeneasGemini East Coast were my favourite, they were the first omes to realise that they had enough firepower to make a difference and put all that tech they salvaged to good use.
@@AeneasGemini i think the best is the Midwestern Brotherhood. According to Tactics settlements have autonomy and only pay a tribute to the Brotherhood in exchange of protection (food and recruit). The Midwestern chapter is open minded from conscription of outsiders and mutants.
No, the BOS in the show are the east coast BOS. They just came to the west after NCR was dead after the events of 4. My main theory of 4 is BOS ending + Maxon was killed.
@@bradleyrutledge no mention of them anywhere else even though they were a near modern style nation state with territory stretching from Mojave, Baja, and San Francisco. Why did no refugees flee there since the boneyard (which for some reason is Shady Sands now) is such a shithole now?
The conflict goes to show it doesn’t matter how well equipped or well trained you are, numbers always take the game. Such is the way, even in real life.
Everyone blames the NCR for starting the war against them. I highly doubt that the BOS didn't start raiding NCR caravans. NCR was starting to use better and better technology to keep the dam.
I love the Brotherhood, especially the Mojave chapter. But Moore has her right to be suspicious. Croker is a good politican but he didn't witness what they're capable and willing to do first hand like Mooere did.
How did they destroy the gold reserves? Since gold is an element and can’t be destroyed did they just strap enough explosives to make sure it was nothing but dust? Or did they steal the gold?
The legion would just lose, the legions main army can barely deal with NCRs Mojave campaign army. Let alone other xenophobic factions you've mentioned.
I can't help but feel like the brotherhood needs to die in fallout. between the NCR and fallout 4's minutemen ending, we can see that general people in the wastelands are getting fed up with the brotherhood acting like haughty raiders, and as with the NCR, they're definitely outnumbered
@@petesperandio It would be cool if in a future game the Great Khans were to build their own empire and become a power in the region north to rival the NCR. They seem like a faction that can still grow.
I guess the NCR Brotherhood war is why the Brotherhood outcasts couldn’t get in contact with the west coast Brotherhood. Fallout 3 takes place a few years before New Vegas, the war was either ongoing or wrapping up at that point
In my head cannon as you said before the NCR have bigger fish to fry with the Legion and the fact that the hostilities have for the most part gone down to a clod war level, I think the leadership of the NCR make it a point while they fight the legion or deal with a Mr House run New Vegas don't fight with the BoS due to the points you mention as they have just fought a war that was deeply unpopular with the people of the NCR would not like to be part of a home front war so soon they give the BoS a free hand as long as they don't clash and the BoS don't openly fight the NCR due to low numbers. What do you think?
That’s probably the case but it could also be the fact that the west coast chapter was destroyed or mortally wounded after the war with the ncr, and that the terminal files on the prydwin are retherencing a totally different chapter all together, such as the midwestern chapter or the Texan chapter.
@@xaviernorman8624 yeah that's also seen with the New Vegas ending where the BoS ally with the NCR. It says that Mojave chapter itself declared a truce with the NCR against the Legion and in return for helping to patrol the wastes, they were given all power armor the NCR had acquered, but that hostilities still remained back west
@@xaviernorman8624 Good idea, west can mean a number of locations in the Fallout world, with Arthur Maxson he did did live past Fallout 4's events what do you think he would do (both when he won the games events & the other when the Minutemen won and the BoS where left alone)?
@@JRYYD well depending on the circumstances he probably would've let them weaken themselves some more and then go on the offensive. He disliked the BoS as well so after pushing out the NCR he would've gone for them next
Hot take but I think the BoS would be doomed to fail no matter what. While other communities are trying to begin the process of rebuilding civilization, the Brotherhood are busy hoarding technology in a vein attempt to keep it out of other peoples hands, a futile effort no matter what. There is always going to be war between factions and governments, there is always going to be technological advancement, and as these new civilizations grow and advance their own technology, there will always be that chance of 'repeating the mistakes of the past'. No matter how many plasma rifles or laser pistols they steal from people, there is always going to be the possibility of someone stronger coming along with the capability of wiping them out. Not to mention the fact they may destroy themselves from the inside as well. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and all it takes is someone else like Elijah to come along and perform a successful coup, possibly becoming even more brutal towards local populations. They are a very cool faction with a very rich lore, but they also kind of suck ass and one could argue that they represent some of the worst aspects of the pre-war world. Militarization, greed and paranoia, with the exception here being the east coast DC Brotherhood. I see a lot of people fixate on their goal of keeping dangerous technology away from dangerous people being a worthy goal, while glossing over all their shortcomings. They are some of the biggest hypocrites in the wasteland. A faction bent on hoarding technology so that someone can't use it to destroy the world, all the while becoming a dangerous technologically advanced micro society with the ever growing capability of destroying the wasteland. With all that being said, my favorite BoS faction in the Bethesda titles are the Brotherhood Outcasts, being more like their old mid-western/west coast counterparts.
The BoS's only hope was forming protectorates, which would basically be kingdoms ruled by knights of yore, as Mr. House described. As much as love Brother Elijah memes I would never want him as my king.
The fact that the brotherhood relies everything on technology to survive, it's what kept them going all this years. They kinda remind me of those countries that only rely on oil to survive.
Tbh, the Brotherhood should have never lost that war, at least in comparison with America turning the tide of the American Chinese War solely because of power armor
But that's because the brotherhood doesn't understand how to use power armour strategically. Power amour is supposed to be in place of tanks but they use it as an infantry weapon.
@@isaac-yw1ei how so? Can you sight where it says that because out of all of the (canon) games I can't recall it, and almost none of the power armor made me any slower save for like t-45 if iirc
I started with FO3 and i had no info on the lore before that. At first when i met the BoS i ofc as everyone liked their armor and stuff but i never agreed on their morales/politics and had no trouble making them my enemy and ambush them. They claim to collect advanced dangerous weapons/tech so others dont use it to harm people yet its BoS who will use that tech/weapons to kill anyone who doesnt agree with them. Safeguarding a missile silo with nukes or a submarine that still has them is one thing , but busting in houses to take a single plasma rifle is pure fanatic behaiviour.
moore 100% has her own vindictive desires. her also having (i believe) evil karma plus her frequent desire to just “wipe them out” missions ties to it. i feel like after the brotherhood war, she just wants to cut weeds down and leave it at that. maybe peace is unpossible in her eyes
I brokered a peace between the BoS and NCR just so I could destroy them both and the Legion in one swoop at the dam. I was a real psychopath that playthrough
Not for not it isn’t the fact that they were out numbered 15 to 1 15people with service rifles will never actually managed to kill a fully armored brotherhood of steel member. However they also have things like gauss rifles and rocket launchers
Bethesda completely disregarded the history of New Vegas because that would mean putting effort into the overall story of the Fallout franchise, which seems to be the last thing they want to focus on
Yeah because Bethesda can't get over the fact that obsidian made the best fallout game, so they try everything they can to kill the lore from the game 😂
@@t95kush27 do you not know the history of fallout? The devs at obsidian that made new vegas are the same devs that made and created from scratch wasteland, fallout 1 and fallout 2. So yes, same people made the NCR that made new vegas.
i feel as if both sides knew 'If the BoS gets wiped out it's not gonna be good.' NCR's reason that if they encounter a highly advanced foe there gonna take heavy losses or get wiped and the BoS's reasons should be obvious
@@Nakeethus_Hunter That's what I mean, it can't be the Capital, after all it had 34.000 people back in fallout two and in the show is shown the same, perhaps is a historic city?
@@hermanosmayorga10 The NCR citizens state Shady Sands is THE capital, not former capital in a test in New Vegas to prove you are NCR. Quit defending the shows retcons because it makes you come across as a Fallout version of a Disney SW fan
I know if you help hardin become elder there's no dialog to avoid wiping the brotherhood's Mojave chapter. & when that happens the only other choice is to pair with yes man, who will go along with basically anything you want. After that I guess Moore ruins your stature with NCR. Which reminds me of how they say: it takes 20 years to make a man but only 20 seconds break one.
In regards to the speculation as to the condition of the NCR and brotherhood on the west coat by the time of Fallout 4. I'd say it's "VERY" likely that Bethesda paid as much attention to there own lore, as a blind man does to color. Considering the atrocity that is the Fallout 4 story, the idea that they would pay attention to the situation of the west coast and craft there story accordingly, is highly unlikely. Thankfully, since they barely touched up on it to begin with, its manageable for lore enthusiast to work with.
@SOMEONE-hv3xc If you're referring to the show, were not really sure exactly what chapter of the Brotherhood this is, but my guess is that they are a contingent of the original West Coast Brotherhood based out of Lost Hills. My guess is in the years since Shady Sands was nuked, the Western Brotherhood has become emboldened enough to establish more outposts, like the airfield. Now with the Prydwen on their side, they're ready to step things up.
All of that would of been avoided if the NCR gave the brotherhood custodianship of their technology; Much like the Mechanicus to that of the Imperium in WH40K.
Id like a fallout game based around the NCR-Brotherhood War. I know the outcome of the war is already decided in canon but itd be awesome to participate in some battles or interact with the factions as the war progresses
bro your mods make veronica look like that one lady on the subway that's always cracked out of her mind.
to be honest it's pretty accurate lmao
Redditors ruined Veronica by discovering her
@@peternehemiah1606 how?
Thank God, i thought I was the only one who noticed that
I see them all the time when I go to the corner convince store between midnight and dawn. They're usually hogging the checkout counter with about five instant lottery tickets or staring absently at a shelf.
These in game fight scenes you make with the npcs are amazing.
Appreciate it!
Yeah there a real nice touch !
I couldn’t agree more
Another reason why I love this channel tbh, the great narration and deep lore knowledge is made so much better with the cool visuals
I love how the core problem with the BoS is the question about accepting outsiders. If the requirement for being a member is that your parents are members, the BoS dies out.
If they take outsiders to train, they are an unstoppable army. If they become unstoppable, they stop recruitment.
Just can't wait for the Gigachad Midwest Brotherhood to show up again. Tanks, Supermutants, Talking Deathclaws and Killer Robots as well as fighter jets all overseen by a supercomputer powerd by the players brain.
And PCs in the Fallout series are always some sort of ubermenschen.
Ah yes the Midwestern Brotherhood.
Literally the Imperiul of Mankind in Fallout
Just look at the East Coast BOS in Fallout 4, there a literal army that have there own Armada of aircraft let alone make there own weapons and armour and have a giant walking indestructible killer robot.
The West Coast BOS nearly won the war with the NCR and crippled there currency, imagine what the East Coast BOS would do.
I wouldn't say unstoppable they took too long to actually recruit and they're not actually like a nation more a paramilitary force. Most of their weapons are scavenged while the NCR is producing most of their equipment and not to mention artillery
While it's possible the Brotherhood has artillery and stuff they're tactics aren't really fitting with artillery. You can't hit and run a position and always have artillery piece support
@n1uk i dont think that the NCR would be doomed even if the east coast chapter would attack them. The NCR probably won the battle of Hooverdam and with it got the treasures and plans of technology. Mr. House has probably many plans laying around as the founder of Robco. The NCR is also battle hardened against the Legion. The NCR has probably to this point a army that can’t be compared to other factions. And the NCR with its economy can easy outproduce all chapters 🤔
@n1uk True, but I don’t really care for the games and lores Bethesda is making. They ruined the lore with 3 games 🥲. I hope, Bethesda hires some writers of obsidian, who actually understands the IP. And they also should uncannon F4 and F76
The strength of the NCR is their ability to adapt. The Brotherhood of Steel however is too brittle. The Brotherhood should have seen the rise of the NCR and gotten in on that.
Their choice was Change or be Destroyed. They didn't choose tae Change.
If the Brotherhood had joined the NCR, they could have negotiationed a postion of Strength and worked to MAKE people worthy of their tech. The Brotherhood should have taken inspiration frae the Followers of the Apocalypse.
Fecking shame.
The OG Maxsons intentions, which was long before the NCR existed, were to help wastelander communities survive, so the ideals of people like Lyons are actually following the original ideals the Brotherhood was founded on.
The hoarding of technology came second back then as far as I know
@@romanusplayz-wx7owyou are correct, the brotherhood out west even though they are the origin fell far from what the original BoS laid out, in fallout 2 you kinda already know or get the feeling that this coast of the brotherhood will never change. The east follows more in line on what the BoS originally stood for even Arthur’s brotherhood in my opinion his faction is the golden age of how the brotherhood should be yeah there are some rotten eggs that make the brotherhood look bad but from how he treats his soldiers to the world outside they aren’t afraid to simply trade you the technology for something else and even are fine giving technology away if you help them. The capital wastland from what we know in Fallout 4 is in way more better shape and is in the direction of going on the road to being as civil as NCR territory. You can even find that Arthur promotes soldiers’s therapy to avoid serious PTSD and other trauma. And cares for them when they have to send a form of email to a fallen soldier’s family back in DC. BoS east coast now would’ve made the NCR run for their money probably even the current NCR since by now it’s been 6 years after NV events. As they run more like a proper military than a para military tech cult and they have more than just land tech superiority but air superiority as they have way more verti-birds and pilots available than NCR since they were generally used to move VIPs and run very important ops since loosing one is extremely costly. Granted they don’t have the numbers and probably never will since they never want to be running a country they have far more superiority than the counter parts even in numbers.
@@allenaju1856 The brotherhood of the West and East has lost connection after the ideology of old Ways and new ways , by the old ways : Preservation of Technology and new Ways: Help the people , the West is the staple of the Brotherhood before the East campaign changed there ways , not until Fallout 4 where Elder Maxson decided to fall back onto the old ways, but the Separation between ideology cause the West Faction to lose power
@@redflaminggamer9159 the original brotherhood was a good mix. If you play 76 you even hear how Maxon wants the brotherhood to be it was to protect the people and preserve dangerous technology from the wasteland. It started with helping survivors but after being burned so many times and realizing that people are only becoming more barbaric does he realize that they need to keep humanity knowledge and technology kept so that the possibility of the rebirth. Only after they lost radio communication and Roger was getting older did they start changing into a more militant and secluded, technology hoarding faction. When Lyons moved eastward they only then started to be like the original faction with allowing new members be from the wasteland, saved as much non serious mutated children from the Pitt
Well seeing how the NCR lost Shady Sands in Canon now and the BOS has all the strength I'd say this post is irrelevant 🤣
“Power armour and energy weapons don’t matter when you’re outnumbered 20 to 1” - Mr. House
he's right. in the amount of time it takes to manufacture a laser weapon and power armor you could easily put together basic ranger clothing and about 40 service rifles in the same time span.
15*
I honestly don't agree with him. If you're outnumbered 15 to 1, power armor is your best chance at survival. Might not give you the advantage in that scenario, but it's the #1 thing you'd want for equalizing the odds.
@@B463Lwhy? Normal bullets go right through power armor it’s only for energy weapons. And you’re slow and a giant target. Agility is more important when out numbered
@hkmma6543 normal bullets bounce right off of power armor, you'd need something like a .50 rifle cartridge to reliably punch through. The ghoul from the TV show used armor-piercing rounds against a weakness in the armor specifically because, normally, it's fairly bulletproof. In F:NV you can even point out to someone that a T-51b's visor is bulletproof.
After seeing that map I've always wondered where the Sierra Madre is located
@loudnsounds it might be somewhere in legion territory instead because of where the bunker is.
@@OfficerHotpants I'll neverrrr let gooooo. Those are my gold bars damnit. All mine!
@@EnclaveSgt *Schizo-Elijah noises*
@@Kou-bz4kb Hey I love Schizo Elijah! But for real I always take every single gold bar
In the ending where you side with Elijah it says that the cloud moves “west towards the republic” so yeah it is probably in Arizona/Utah
I think the making of Maxon into a deity would suggest the brotherhood in the West is actually more desperate, it means they are looking for hope, for something to turn to in difficult time. Even in the real world, people will turn to religion when they are more desperate because they want some sort of hope, this even against logic.
In fallout, Maxon being seen as a deity may really suggest that the brotherhood is still in an extremely weak position and are looking for something, anything to give them hope.
Yeah I’ve always read this as, hey we’ve got crazies in the bunkers who are worshipping you, so we’re putting a stop to that, not so much that there are people on the surface worshipping him.
@@clarkthomas8574 Pretty much this. Why would ppl worship Maxson, unless they are so desperate for a leading figure. And to put a stop to those cults, which I'm pretty sure is inside those bunkers, wouldn't take that much manpower or resources.
Brotherhood of steel lore is incredible, never get tired of seeing more from em!
They are easily one of the most interesting factions in fallout. Their morally Grey stance and attitude towards the wasteland and knight-like military structuring makes them an awesome faction in the franchise.
Would be nice if they would enter Civil war in FO5, well, what ever remains of them now.
I got tired of seeing shit about them after 3.
Jokes on me because they're the only faction bethesda cares about apparently
No their good they want humanity to never make the same mistake again
@@thechickenFarmer50 Yeah, they want humanity to not have technology. So they will never make the same mistake again. The outlier of the Brotherhood of Steel was Lyons family, if you ever encountered any Outcast in Fallout 3 that is how a usual Brotherhood of Steel member would act.
@@johnlucas2838 so basically they are like The enclave whenever they find out a vault has a geck
My own guesses as to the current status of the Brotherhood High Elders is that they've either been forced to (somehow) relocate out of NCR territory, spared because the NCR doesn't consider the siege of Lost Hills to be worth the cost, or were KIA and another chapter's Elders were promoted in response.
Attacking Lost Hills would've resulted in a lot of casualties for the NCR, I'd aim for the sparing them
I don't think the NCR could even take lost hills, given it's the oldest brotherhood base in existance with anywhere from hundreds to (more likely, since it's self sustaining) thousands of people with the best technology the WBOS could gather fighting from an extremely fortified position where the NCRs advantage of numbers mean nothing.
@@accountname9506 Their defenses would no doubt make a Deathclaw shit itself, so the NCR would more than likely lose a lot of their military.
@@Slenderslayer351 I just flat out don't think it can be taken. Imagine NCR troopers trying to get down a corridor but the corridor is full of automated turrets and on the other end there's a bunch of paladins with laser gatlings in a fortified position mowing you down, and every time they need to reload or whatever they just swap out with another paladin so there's just endless laser fire.
@@accountname9506 That's just getting inside though, they would have Airships (Unless that's just the East BoS), Vertibirds, countless paladins on stand-by, robots, turrets... They might not even get close to the door.
It's funny how to writers could have conflicting ideas on things. Obsidian over many games show that the Brotherhood is a flawed and dying group but bethesda is like hey they are a iconic faction in old fallout, they are numerus and now everywhere, lets also have a group of them in 76 for some reason then kill them off. (The funny thing is my favorite fallout game is tactics but that is semi-cannon at best and I don't know why, it fits in the lore and would favor bethesda ionic fodder quite well.)
Come on you have to admit, the eastern brotherhood idea was pretty spot on. Instead of there traditional beliefs, lions brotherhood began to use there resources and technology to help people. But I didn’t really like the story about the BOS in fallout 4. It went back on the same flawed principles the Bos stood for. But overall I don’t mind expanding the story. There are so many possibilities, just gotta have a good writer to tell that story
@@major_lazer1269 The way Bethesda is writing it they should just populate slightly further away from the previous games like in fallout 1 and 2 so they can keep the same factions but they have them on the other side of America so they don't have to deal with lore, why not have parallel groups developing like inventing the wheel, this group also runs around in power armor but had different things happen to them in history leading to different doctrines like being the goody goody lions group is now the regiment # Iron Lions. Having so many groups sharing the same name but is divided by distance and time is weird to me, by their logic America and Australia should have never came up with new things to call ourselves and just stuck to being "British" to keep things as confusing as possible.
Fallout 3,4, and 76 are noncanon.
@@boobio1 I don't count them either, nothing happens in 3, 4 missed the chance to copy the coolest idea of blade runner that they only live for 4 years and the only good thing 76 did was them taking a risk of making new mutants and robots.
Good to see I'm not the only one who likes Tactics lore. Todd can say whatever crap he wants, we know what's good.
Wish Van Buren was made so we could've seen more of this conflict
What other element of Van Buren do you think could be made part of the lore in the canon timeline?
@@JRYYD wasn't alot of van burden used in fallout NV ( and I think maybe fo3 as well?)
@@Intr0vertical I remember that a space station and launch complex would have been featured in the main quest do you think that they would have been good ideas?
Retconned raider made videos about this :)
In short the original cause of the war was the NCR’s colonization of Hoover damn which is where the original strain of the FEV was held, and thusly the brotherhood NCR war began.
@@Dorkeydaze Thanks for that, if the NCR got kicked out of the Mojave do you think the BoS will call a truce with the faction?
Also do you think the events of Van Buren are cannon if not said otherwise?
BOS: Give us your laser guns!
NCR: Fuck off!
IRS VS TechnoFetischists
@@keneye6657 Ain't nobody beating the IRS even the Joker knows not to mess with the IRS
I'd love to hear more about the tribes that have been subjugated by Caesar's Legion!
I’m not legion RUclips is mad cringe
@@Dorkeydaze legion may be morally wrong but there is no denying the fact that their stories are interesting
@@killinfantsons3193 "Morally wrong."
Lmao
@@TimtheEnchanter25 that's basically the hivemind of reddit I suppose
@@kaiser6412 "Thinking that making all women slaves is bad is just reddit hivemind thinking"
lolololol
Yes we as a small underground group should tell this literal nation on what they should do with their weapons and start enforcing those laws ourselves if they refuse
This could possibly not backfire at especially the fact their military outnumber us 10000 to 1
Fuck it let's just become raiders in power armor.
@@IPFreelly604 *Arthur Maxson writing that down*
Yea the enclave surely suffered a lot after that one...
They did more damage to the ncr than the ncr did to them. Numbers are replaceable, but those gold reserves are never coming back.
@@rhett3104 wasnt that a brotherhood thing? They essentialy broke the NCR economy in half
A very nice video. I hadn't realized how much west coast lore there was in Fallout 3 and 4. It occurs to me that it's quite bizarre that sending an infant cross country was considered reasonable considering how long that would take in the modern day and we don't have bands of armed raider and mutated wildlife roaming the countryside, especially given how pressed for resources the Brotherhood would have been at the time.
As for future video ideas, I don't know if there would be enough content available but maybe look at how the NCR is organized, how much independence the states have relative to the central government, differences in lifestyles between the states, that sort of thing. Or to continue the theme of the NCR antagonizing everybody, maybe look at the history of the Great Khans and the conflicts with the NCR.
I do wonder, what would be the role of Chosen One in this war? Would he intervene? Or would he just be off to the side and taking care of Arroyo?
As of Fallout 4, The Chosen One is either taking care of Arroyo (which is a now a fully-fledged civilized state) or dead from old age, either way i don't believe that the Chosen One would care about the Brotherhood conflicts since his grandfather the Vault Dweller also didn't care, he just wanted big guns to defeat the Master
I the Chosen One would simply give support to both side in term of medical supplies and foods.
Also try to appease the whole conflict.
He didn't have ill feeling from either
@@nothingnothing3064 the Vault Dweller was part of the BOS so I doubt he didn’t care for them.
I feel that the Chosen One would just stay out of it. By the end of Fallout 2, his mom, the village elder died a few months after the destruction of the Enclave oil rig. So he took the mantle of elder of New Arroyo. At most, his civilization would be giving out medical supplies just like the Followers, but that’s it really. Besides, what good of an elder to just up and leave to help the NCR or BOS directly? Also, as someone said here, if this started around the 2260’s and the Chosen One was born 2221, he would be around his 40’s and since the war is still ongoing by 2281, he’ll be in his 60’s. A bit too old to even fight really.
Guess you can now rename this: the 1st NCR Brotherhood war.
Ugh
Love you're content, I'm always excited to see what you have next. Keep up the great work.
What topic do you think should be done next, also what is your head cannon of the BoS war & events of FNV?
Thank you!
@@yaboiii6562 Hello great work with this video, if I may make a suggestion how about a video where in Fallout 4 the player never left the Vault and what affect that would have as continuation of your FNV video of the same topic?
@@JRYYD I don't know but a future bos civil war could be interesting, or a ncr civil war. I'd also like to see more of the khan's.
@@Timoshemperoni There has already been the Outcasts with the BoS in F03.
For the NCR how about if in the event House won FNV l Lee Oliver & Chief Hanlon both run of the office of president with Less wanting to return to Vegas and destroy House, legion & BoS regardless of the cost while Hanlon seeing that war against the hand that feeds them water, power & with the BoS who are inside the NCR would destroy them both from the inside & outside with where they are in morale, army population, the oncoming food crisis.
Maybe Hanlon would in the interest of self-preservation for the NCR would seek to have as peaceful interactions with the groups around him apart from the legion in a return to Tandi's rule.
What do you think?
“War, war never changes.” *Proceeds how war changed in 1945*
I think they mean fundamentally
There's also different people in different wars. Thats a change so it does change haha check mate
What never changes in war is the total losses that war brings everytime its started: war never changes because of military and civilian losses. That will always stay the same in each war fought. This is how I understand it.
War itself doesn't change, but warfare does.
Way to miss the point entirely. Do you think going from spears to gunpowder wasn't a change?
21 minutes of the Brotherhood being eradicated and giving a financial crisis in return
😭 true
Awesome video. I never knew the war was this detailed. Thank you.
This war could have had its own important famous battle, maybe like a modern version of Agincourt - Brotherhood Paladins in their armour trying to storm an NCR position, only to get bogged down in the terrain by the weight of their gear, and picked off by the troopers one by one. It could have been remembered as a turning point where the NCR began to figure out weaknesses in the Brotherhood's tactics and doctrines, so they could make more efficient use of their numerical superiority.
(This occured to me because somehow I can't get rid of this mental image of a Paladin being swarmed and pulled down by a half-dozen Troopers, who then prise open the power armour with knives)
I mean, feasible, but not very likely in the arid desert like environs where they fought, or when said knights have Gatlin lasers. Getting bogged down just doesn't seem like too big an issue vs running out of ammo or troops
@@finnl6887 the war wasn't just in the desert
@jumbo9386okay, swim in it.
@@ZacksRockingLifestyleIf you judge a sports car by it’s ability to sail, it’ll always be bad
@@somm150 during the (IRL) battle of Agincourt, it was largely their armor that lost the battle for the French. Ever run out of fusion cores, or drop your Power Armor down the hole at Dunwich Borers?
“Then they had to walk a few hundred yards (metres) through thick mud and a press of comrades while wearing armour weighing 50-60 pounds (23-27 kg), gathering sticky clay all the way. Increasingly, they had to walk around or over fallen comrades.”
“…The French could not cope with the thousands of lightly armoured longbowmen assailants (who were much less hindered by the mud and weight of their armour) combined with the English men-at-arms. The impact of thousands of arrows, combined with the slog in heavy armour through the mud, the heat and difficulty breathing in plate armour with the visor down, and the crush of their numbers, meant the French men-at-arms could "scarcely lift their weapons" when they finally engaged the English line.”
Source: Wikipedia ‘Battle of Agincourt’
I don’t feel like hunting down a source for this one, so, lastly, have you got any clue how dangerous it is for the crew of a tank to get stuck? Armor’s damn-near useless on a sitting duck.
Scrolling through what you have uploaded and the quality of this video makes me exited to watch more.
Thank you so much for making this video! It was great! Glad you took the recommendation!
Thank you for the idea!
I just love the Brotherhood so many times saved by random strangers... Real skilled folks in diplomacy.
Will never forget my first NV playthrough where i conscripted everyone to help the NCR only to throw the General of the Damn...
and apparently, according to the last time I played the HoI4 Fallout mod, around the end of the Brotherhood conflict they felt like they had the manpower and recourses to help out a faction of Luchadores down in Mexico, who had just figured out how to build shacks btw, in a war against a cartel and an AI that thinks they are the resurrected incarnation of an emperor of Mexico.... the Old World Blues mod is weird
I mean in OWB Lanius can get his very own goddess Waifu so yeah fun mod
She is a brain in a tank but that doesn't mean much.
Owb mod goes hard
Something I'd like to see you cover are the less talked about nations/raiders/tribes, the 80's gor example. Although I am not sure if you would have enough material for the whole video XD
There’s always Hearts of Iron 4 Old World Blues and the playthroughs! All good mines for lore.
@@r3b0rn_mike117 I'm not sure most stuff from hoi4 owb is cannon though, still amazing mod
It would have been cool if they did an operation anchorage style dlc for new Vegas on the war between the ncr and brotherhood
The Frontier tried to do that. It wasn' received as well.
@@petemadrona2252 the frontier sucked lol
I like this type of history video in fallout feels like a real war
The Virgin NCR-BOS alliance VS THE CHAD LEGION-BROTHERHOOD BROSHIP. gladiator aesthetic t51b armor has never looked better
You can’t get the BoS to join the legion though right?
@@michaelbirkett4932 You can if you have the cut content mod.
Don’t for the Enclave Remnants too. 👍
@@crusader2112 console player moment
You are an actual idiot if you think the legion and the brotherhood would work together despite what's in the game (and the legion even betrays the Bos)
The legion are lead by an egotistical moron that thinks we should destroy all tech and go back to being monkie with sticks and doesn't know shit about Rome despite his "I read book" speech he seemed to gloss over that the Romans where highly innovative and utilized the most advanced tech of the time.
An idea I have which I think could be a cool side quest if magically there was another game set in the west, even if it's not a direct sequel to New Vegas, but still features the NCR, is getting involved in an election. Perhaps Kimball is deciding to retire but his replacement needs to be voted in and he prefers either Oliver or Moore but perhaps the player can convince Colonel Hsu to run and get retired Chief Hanlon to endorse him. This could impact the response the NCR has to a local Brotherhood chapter
Hsu is a chad, only reason why i dont go against NCR
@@deathsinger115chadranel HSU
Im thinking that the NCR is really overstretched with their expansion and having their bureaucracy to be more sluggish and corrupted. That the Brotherhood is slowly regaining its strength. And they're keeping a careful eye on the NCR, hoping that they're would be a vital weakspot that they can exploit.
To be fair, they are very overstretched in the mojave but not so much in california. Western Brotherhood status now is a guessing game at best.
@@spookyengie735 Aye. NCR has a strangle-hold on California itself. As The Mojave was basically became to them what Vietnam was to the US in the 1970s. A quagmire of bureaucracy and incompetent leadership messing everything up on the frontlines in a war against an enemy that was far to stubborn to cut their losses and far to brutal to not take seriously.
The east shall descend upon the pathetic bear like a deathclaw tearing the throat from a yao guia. We shall destroy the ncr and see their cities crumble
@@charlottewalnut3118 *Laughs in anti-material rifle*
The BOS nearly beat the NCR in the war, the NCR only advantage is mass number of recruits. If a small faction like the west coast BOS can nearly defeat the NCR imagine what the East Coast BOS from Fallout 4 would do.
While I can understand the Brotherhoods mission of keeping dangerous technology out of the hands of those who would abuse or misuse such technology it doesn’t give them much right to take away ALL weapons based technology that’s highly advanced. They act like they are the sole arbiters in regards to policing and collecting such technology whereas there are other groups that have their own thoughts and opinions on what to do with such technology. The fact they aren’t willing to compromise or even negotiate with other factions shows they would rather the whole pie than a slice of it. If you ask me the only reason why the East Coast Brotherhood is doing better than their West Coast Chapters is because they’ve already dealt with the only real faction that could threaten them, and they haven’t really encountered others that could really challenge them or hinder them in any way.
This has been a very good video and topic, 10 out of 10, what will you be doing next?
If I may make a suggestion what about a continuation of your what if the player did nothing in the games events and show what could have happen if the Player of Fallout 4 did not come out of vault 111.
The institute wins and slowly replaces the citizenry of the commonwealth with synths.
The railroad is caught by spies and dismantled in a raid. Some remnants might find their way to DiMA's enclave and live out their lives there as the island is united by DiMA's infiltration efforts and eventually claimed for the Synths.
The Minutemen never reorganize and are wiped out with the group around Preston Garvey.
The BoS tries to establish a foothold in the area but is caught in a war of attrition with the Institute that they can not win and eventually run out of fuel for the Prydwinn at which point they either have to leave or land. When they land they are entirely wiped out by Synths. While trying to establish their foothold, the BoS might get increasingly more extreme and start a large-scale witch hunt for Synths that includes mass executions. With no one to protect or organize them and also suffering from raider attacks, most of the settlements are decimated and abandoned. Eventually the area is taken over by Synths and the raiders are driven away or infiltrated.
End of story.
@@Salted_Fysh That sounds interesting, very well thought out.
I have another idea, what if Vault 111 residents along with the player where able to leave the Vault 5 years before the games events, what affect on the timeline do you think that would have or if Vault 81 learnt of the vault 61 years before the games events & gen 3 Synths did not get created?
🤔dude... you need more likes here. A pre-game slide of fate without the player. After you finish the main quest a post game slide. You need to contact Bethesda & slap someone. 👍
This video is great it really exposes why the Brotherhood is so full of rubbish. This entire war is because the Brotherhood were insecure losers, who put their selfish desires above the benefit of humanity
If you look at the corrupt state of the NCR the BOS is only preventing the same problems occurring, the abuse of technology.
The NCR have become an imperialistic and corrupt force in the wasteland. They only serve a few Brahmin barons and the mafia. The technology the BOS possesses will be end up abused by the ncr.
@@mitchjames9350 Fair. But frankly I think you're giving the BOS a little bit too much credit here. The rhetoric they tell themselves about safekeeping dangerous technology is mostly bunk. It's not that they're trying to save the wasteland from NCR expansion and imperialism, they honestly couldn't care less. They just have a tech fetish and get pissy when any other society uses it without them having a hand in the control and distribution.
Fallout 3,4, and 76 are noncanon.
@@boobio1 based
@@boobio1 If FO4 is canon then the Institute wins. They have nuclear fusion energy, synthetic soldiers and workers, and teleportation. They also reinvented Guerrilla Warfare _and_ Gorilla Warfare. The Legion's best technology is a car chariot and they're somehow a threat to the NCR.
The brotherhood is the definition of pyrric victory
If only they adapted their tactics. Imagine if they used power armour like tanks with unarmoured soldiers backing them like in the show. They can be a force to be reckoned with as long they have skilled knights. And if they also invested in artillery to match the NCR, the brotherhood could win very easily considering their weapons advantage it's just that they are always horribly mismanaged
Man I am LOVING these vids!! Keep it up!
19:50 I was literally thinking this was because Bethesda doesn't care about lore, and then he said it 😂
I’d like to think that best case scenario the NCR and brotherhood managed to not kill each other and foster a full truce
This aged very well.
Love your videos man. Keep it up.
Appreciate it mate!
Even as a firm Brother of Steel, I always choose the peace option in New Vegas. While I don't favor the NCRs path, as in my opinion they are retrudgeing the path that lead to the conditions for the Great War, and that they are Expansionists, I think cooperation is possible. Certain conditions would need to be met, but as long as the BoS territories are left alone, then there shouldn't be too much hostility to be born. I think the NCR should pull out of the Mojave, as they can barely run California, Baja, and the like efficiently as it is. Spreading themselves too thin isn't practical. Also, in my opinion the BoS needs to form its own proper territory, which should include the Lost hills region, the Hidden Valley area, and the State of Maxson at the least. Now I know NCR supporters will say that it's NCR territory now, but I think giving the BoS the Maxson state as a concession for peace is a fair compromise. In return the BoS can assist in protecting the trade routes of the NCR, and also an ally against potential threats, both mutual and otherwise. Even if the NCR did win in New Vegas(as in if it was the Canon ending), the Legion is still quite sizeable and strong, having control of the Colorado territory, which isn't too far away. And who knows what else might pop up. Some new mutant threat(both Super Mutant and otherwise), or maybe a Mutated sentient plant which could spread throughout the wastes, who knows what's hidden in its depths..
The thing is, the NCR needs the Mojave, they can't just pull out.
Hoover Dam provides most of the power and water in California, as most natural lakes back West have dried up.
People always say, the NCR is overexpansionist and imperialist, and needs to pull back, but the simple reality is they NEED the Dam for their nation to survive, especially on the frontier.
Expansionism is intertwined with advanced civilization of more or less any kind. Even those societies that trend slightly more to isolation tend to either develop within their sphere or wither away and die later - or are later crushed by those that do. As in Fallout as in real life.
Great video.
I'd like to see a full breakdown of the Brotherhood of Steel and their culture throughout their history and possibly some connection into what might happen going forward after Fallout 4.
you should address the full scope of the brotherhood in a video
I'm a lore nerd myself as well. I feel like the east coast brotherhood would have beaten the ncr back. Awesome stuff! Keep up the good work!👍🤘
They shouldn’t even exist
The're not cannon?
@@thelonepainter4760 They very much are cannon
The fallout 4 brotherhood was a powerhouse and it was awesome. They’re definitely canon. There’s always people out there super insecure and crying about the Bethesda fallouts just ignore them
@@masterch33fII7 What a childish response
The bos didn't find hidden valley and then go to Helios, they found Helios and retreated to where they thought some old prewar bunkers were when the NCR kicked them out of Helios and thus named it hidden valley
Correct me of I'm wrong but Brotherhood in the east, and NCR in the west... that could be an amazing opportunity for fallout 5
Don't forget the Midwestern chapter
The West Coast BOS nearly beat the NCR, imagine what the East Coast BOS would do.
@@mitchjames9350 the westcoast was going good but there numbers were limited as fuck and now the ncr army is better with better train and equipment so would be a good fight
@JRD they where losing the war until they got enough conscripts to put number the BOS.
@@mitchjames9350 NCR destroyed 4 out of 6 brotherhood bunkers in just one operation, nah they were clappin bos asses
I'm not really a fan of both, but if i had to, I'd go with the Brotherhood. They're harsh bastards at times but their goal of salvaging potentially dangerous technology and keeping it out anyones grasp seems a lot better than trying to replicate a government that had a hand in ending the world in the first place.
More importantly, the Brotherhood tend to have a live and let live attitude with most other people's in the wasteland (so long as they avoid advanced technology). Of course the East Coast Brotherhood are an exception
@@AeneasGemini East Coast were my favourite, they were the first omes to realise that they had enough firepower to make a difference and put all that tech they salvaged to good use.
@@AeneasGemini i think the best is the Midwestern Brotherhood.
According to Tactics settlements have autonomy and only pay a tribute to the Brotherhood in exchange of protection (food and recruit).
The Midwestern chapter is open minded from conscription of outsiders and mutants.
@@desolatortrooper7196 mutants have no place in this world. They are dangerous they are victims and a ugly scar on humanity’s image.
@@JaKingScomez mutants with humans intelligence are like any humans.
Some good
Some bad
Most try simply to survive
The NCR won… until randomly the BOS won
No, the BOS in the show are the east coast BOS. They just came to the west after NCR was dead after the events of 4.
My main theory of 4 is BOS ending + Maxon was killed.
@@EllRiver so glad Todd’s fanfic version of BOS is the only power left outside of…. VAULTEC
The nuking of Shady Sands doesn't mean the NCR is gone entirely
@@bradleyrutledge no mention of them anywhere else even though they were a near modern style nation state with territory stretching from Mojave, Baja, and San Francisco.
Why did no refugees flee there since the boneyard (which for some reason is Shady Sands now) is such a shithole now?
I don't think it was a stalemate but more a victory for the NCR. Maybe not complete and total, but a win nonetheless.
This is phenomenal and amazing work! I’m curious if this video is transcribed anywhere?
The conflict goes to show it doesn’t matter how well equipped or well trained you are, numbers always take the game.
Such is the way, even in real life.
Except the new tv show made it to where the bos is winning... lmao
@@Waffleman00 Yeah true, BoS always taking Ls in lore, despite killing an absurd amount of enemies.
It's like Bud mentioned, time is the greatest test of them all.
@@rbrick3685You mean Ws
@@theenclave6254 Nah, Bethesda gives BoS more W's but in lore, they take a lot of Ls.
Everyone blames the NCR for starting the war against them. I highly doubt that the BOS didn't start raiding NCR caravans. NCR was starting to use better and better technology to keep the dam.
I love the Brotherhood, especially the Mojave chapter. But Moore has her right to be suspicious. Croker is a good politican but he didn't witness what they're capable and willing to do first hand like Mooere did.
Fallout five eastern brotherhood comes to aid in the NCR brotherhood war, maxon flies in to California on his airship
What airship.. the one that's a smoldering wreck in the Commonwealth?
You and Schizo Elijah are the best Fallout creators seriously keep it up man.
Idk Elijah is just muh new Vegas
Oxhorn. That is all.
@@ejsdead-6363 Na he’s a fallout 4 apologist
@@ejsdead-6363 no oxhorn is a weirdo "no you can't side with the legion they bad!!!"
@@ejsdead-6363 that stupid voice Oxhorn uses is unbearable.
Amazing video, as always!
14:05 Head Scribe, it’s brought up that they wanted a fighter as a leader, not an egghead, or whatever they said in game
How did they destroy the gold reserves? Since gold is an element and can’t be destroyed did they just strap enough explosives to make sure it was nothing but dust? Or did they steal the gold?
I think they destroyed the mines which the NCR was getting all their gold.
They used thermite maybe
Lasers
Dirty bomb. You can't use irradiated gold without getting radiation yourself.
They may have used Lučavka královská
8:12 They should've used Plot armor instead of Power armor as 15:1 being outnumbered is a Tuesday evening to the Courier.
Love your videos as always!!
During the NCR-Brotherhood War, the NCR never found the main bunker of the Brotherhood?
Imagine if the NCR, Boomers, BOS, and Enclave Remnants all teamed up against the Legion? Truly a battle to behold.
The legion would just lose, the legions main army can barely deal with NCRs Mojave campaign army. Let alone other xenophobic factions you've mentioned.
I can't help but feel like the brotherhood needs to die in fallout. between the NCR and fallout 4's minutemen ending, we can see that general people in the wastelands are getting fed up with the brotherhood acting like haughty raiders, and as with the NCR, they're definitely outnumbered
the ncr is such an interesting faction. i wonder how the ncr and institute would interact with eachother
*NCR victory, 7 billion dead**
Hey how about the great Khans next? Like just an overview of them like how they began to how the great Khans of new Vegas happened
Sure thing!
Either that or speculating off one of the coolest ending slides for New Vegas where the Khans build an empire in the Northwest.
@@petesperandio It would be cool if in a future game the Great Khans were to build their own empire and become a power in the region north to rival the NCR. They seem like a faction that can still grow.
I guess the NCR Brotherhood war is why the Brotherhood outcasts couldn’t get in contact with the west coast Brotherhood. Fallout 3 takes place a few years before New Vegas, the war was either ongoing or wrapping up at that point
In my head cannon as you said before the NCR have bigger fish to fry with the Legion and the fact that the hostilities have for the most part gone down to a clod war level, I think the leadership of the NCR make it a point while they fight the legion or deal with a Mr House run New Vegas don't fight with the BoS due to the points you mention as they have just fought a war that was deeply unpopular with the people of the NCR would not like to be part of a home front war so soon they give the BoS a free hand as long as they don't clash and the BoS don't openly fight the NCR due to low numbers.
What do you think?
That’s probably the case but it could also be the fact that the west coast chapter was destroyed or mortally wounded after the war with the ncr, and that the terminal files on the prydwin are retherencing a totally different chapter all together, such as the midwestern chapter or the Texan chapter.
@@xaviernorman8624 yeah that's also seen with the New Vegas ending where the BoS ally with the NCR. It says that Mojave chapter itself declared a truce with the NCR against the Legion and in return for helping to patrol the wastes, they were given all power armor the NCR had acquered, but that hostilities still remained back west
@@xaviernorman8624 Good idea, west can mean a number of locations in the Fallout world, with Arthur Maxson he did did live past Fallout 4's events what do you think he would do (both when he won the games events & the other when the Minutemen won and the BoS where left alone)?
@@Spongebrain97 What do you think would happen if Mr House won & the NCR & BoS where still at war?
@@JRYYD well depending on the circumstances he probably would've let them weaken themselves some more and then go on the offensive. He disliked the BoS as well so after pushing out the NCR he would've gone for them next
Small correction: the BoS was created shortly BEFORE the Great War broke out, making them technically a pre-war organisation.
The only reason to let the brotherhood live is Veronica but their harassment to people with technology is ridiculous
Hot take but I think the BoS would be doomed to fail no matter what. While other communities are trying to begin the process of rebuilding civilization, the Brotherhood are busy hoarding technology in a vein attempt to keep it out of other peoples hands, a futile effort no matter what. There is always going to be war between factions and governments, there is always going to be technological advancement, and as these new civilizations grow and advance their own technology, there will always be that chance of 'repeating the mistakes of the past'. No matter how many plasma rifles or laser pistols they steal from people, there is always going to be the possibility of someone stronger coming along with the capability of wiping them out. Not to mention the fact they may destroy themselves from the inside as well. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and all it takes is someone else like Elijah to come along and perform a successful coup, possibly becoming even more brutal towards local populations.
They are a very cool faction with a very rich lore, but they also kind of suck ass and one could argue that they represent some of the worst aspects of the pre-war world. Militarization, greed and paranoia, with the exception here being the east coast DC Brotherhood.
I see a lot of people fixate on their goal of keeping dangerous technology away from dangerous people being a worthy goal, while glossing over all their shortcomings. They are some of the biggest hypocrites in the wasteland. A faction bent on hoarding technology so that someone can't use it to destroy the world, all the while becoming a dangerous technologically advanced micro society with the ever growing capability of destroying the wasteland.
With all that being said, my favorite BoS faction in the Bethesda titles are the Brotherhood Outcasts, being more like their old mid-western/west coast counterparts.
The BoS's only hope was forming protectorates, which would basically be kingdoms ruled by knights of yore, as Mr. House described. As much as love Brother Elijah memes I would never want him as my king.
The fact that the brotherhood relies everything on technology to survive, it's what kept them going all this years. They kinda remind me of those countries that only rely on oil to survive.
Great video, thank you!
So excited for the major retcon about to happen in the TV show !!!!
goddamn it you were right
I wish it never happened
@@pipsqeak7104no they weren't
@@barricadedpurifier Or if they did it like... anywhere else.
@@pipsqeak7104There was no retcon.
Great video yaboii, my i ask what's your pick for best faction?
"To acquire living space" sounds familiar.
@ 7:05
I've never played Fo3 so "Flask Jackets" might be a thing... But I'm pretty sure you meant to say "Flack Jackets"
Can you do a video on Vault 11 or Randall Clark?
*Hold my beer as I read the Fallout Wiki for 21 minutes*
feels a bit weird to me, "just " because they´re outnumbered 15 : 1 they lose with year 2200 gear against weapons from the 90s 💀
Tbh, the Brotherhood should have never lost that war, at least in comparison with America turning the tide of the American Chinese War solely because of power armor
But that's because the brotherhood doesn't understand how to use power armour strategically.
Power amour is supposed to be in place of tanks but they use it as an infantry weapon.
@@isaac-yw1ei using it like a tank would defeat the purpose of it making your infantry OP as fuck
@@MetalMailman35 in the lore power armour is incredibly slow so it wouldn't work in a lot of engagements
@@isaac-yw1ei how so? Can you sight where it says that because out of all of the (canon) games I can't recall it, and almost none of the power armor made me any slower save for like t-45 if iirc
@@isaac-yw1ei So that's why it gives you -1 Strength.
Turns out the ncr gold reserves were in repconn the whole time
They say war never changes, but for the ncr, it seems like war never ends.
I started with FO3 and i had no info on the lore before that.
At first when i met the BoS i ofc as everyone liked their armor and stuff but i never agreed on their morales/politics and had no trouble making them my enemy and ambush them.
They claim to collect advanced dangerous weapons/tech so others dont use it to harm people yet its BoS who will use that tech/weapons to kill anyone who doesnt agree with them.
Safeguarding a missile silo with nukes or a submarine that still has them is one thing , but busting in houses to take a single plasma rifle is pure fanatic behaiviour.
moore 100% has her own vindictive desires. her also having (i believe) evil karma plus her frequent desire to just “wipe them out” missions ties to it. i feel like after the brotherhood war, she just wants to cut weeds down and leave it at that. maybe peace is unpossible in her eyes
I brokered a peace between the BoS and NCR just so I could destroy them both and the Legion in one swoop at the dam.
I was a real psychopath that playthrough
Not for not it isn’t the fact that they were out numbered 15 to 1 15people with service rifles will never actually managed to kill a fully armored brotherhood of steel member. However they also have things like gauss rifles and rocket launchers
Bethesda completely disregarded the history of New Vegas because that would mean putting effort into the overall story of the Fallout franchise, which seems to be the last thing they want to focus on
bro ur content is S+ tiered i stg
Here after the fallout show. Can safely say the Brotherhood isn’t worried about the NCR for good reason now lmaoo
Yeah because Bethesda can't get over the fact that obsidian made the best fallout game, so they try everything they can to kill the lore from the game 😂
@@umadbroimatroll7918 nah. Thats some weird cope. The entire show is a love letter to New Vegas and its fans.
@@umadbroimatroll7918 they legit confirmed nothing was retconned.
Obsidian didn't create the NCR 🤣 @umadbroimatroll7918
@@t95kush27 do you not know the history of fallout? The devs at obsidian that made new vegas are the same devs that made and created from scratch wasteland, fallout 1 and fallout 2. So yes, same people made the NCR that made new vegas.
i feel as if both sides knew 'If the BoS gets wiped out it's not gonna be good.'
NCR's reason that if they encounter a highly advanced foe there gonna take heavy losses or get wiped and the BoS's reasons should be obvious
Turns out it was because Shady Sands got nuked
That's a lie because a guy who vault should have been raided by the Master shouldn't have access let alone authority to launch a nuke
Why in the show Shady Sands looks like fallout two Shady Sands (or NCR) it's even the same place?
@@hermanosmayorga10 Same place? Shady Sands is in North California/South Nevada... The show places it directly in the Boneyard
@@Nakeethus_Hunter That's what I mean, it can't be the Capital, after all it had 34.000 people back in fallout two and in the show is shown the same, perhaps is a historic city?
@@hermanosmayorga10 The NCR citizens state Shady Sands is THE capital, not former capital in a test in New Vegas to prove you are NCR.
Quit defending the shows retcons because it makes you come across as a Fallout version of a Disney SW fan
I know if you help hardin become elder there's no dialog to avoid wiping the brotherhood's Mojave chapter. & when that happens the only other choice is to pair with yes man, who will go along with basically anything you want.
After that I guess Moore ruins your stature with NCR. Which reminds me of how they say: it takes 20 years to make a man but only 20 seconds break one.
Which is worst is that in the Yes Man ending the Brotherhood becomes tech raiders so yeah the brotherhood is doomed to fail.
Col Moore is bitch who's actively ringing the NCR situation
In regards to the speculation as to the condition of the NCR and brotherhood on the west coat by the time of Fallout 4. I'd say it's "VERY" likely that Bethesda paid as much attention to there own lore, as a blind man does to color.
Considering the atrocity that is the Fallout 4 story, the idea that they would pay attention to the situation of the west coast and craft there story accordingly, is highly unlikely. Thankfully, since they barely touched up on it to begin with, its manageable for lore enthusiast to work with.
pretty sure this will become a major thing in season two of the fallout show
isn't the part of the BoS that fought the ncr only a small to medium sized group? There's way more of them out there right?
show got ass writing just like the bethesda games
@SOMEONE-hv3xc
If you're referring to the show, were not really sure exactly what chapter of the Brotherhood this is, but my guess is that they are a contingent of the original West Coast Brotherhood based out of Lost Hills.
My guess is in the years since Shady Sands was nuked, the Western Brotherhood has become emboldened enough to establish more outposts, like the airfield. Now with the Prydwen on their side, they're ready to step things up.
All of that would of been avoided if the NCR gave the brotherhood custodianship of their technology; Much like the Mechanicus to that of the Imperium in WH40K.
@starsky805 Conflict is often the product of an unwillingness to compromise.
When you’re newly subbed and get to to see vids minutes after posted B)
Wasn’t much of a brotherhood person but I respect McNamara a lot and think he’s a good elder
Where does it say Col. Moore gets Crocker removed from his post if the truce is negotiated?
Id like a fallout game based around the NCR-Brotherhood War. I know the outcome of the war is already decided in canon but itd be awesome to participate in some battles or interact with the factions as the war progresses
So the Minutemen (or institute... or the Railroad... lol) have the power to kill off the Maxson family in one artillery order.