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I imagine some people still don’t quite understand how the last game Shunsui and Starrk played works so let me explain. So in the game, Irooni(AKA Colorful Demon) both parties need to announce a color to cut on their opponents as long as they have that color exposed on their body. The goal is to deal as much damage as possible onto your opponent. You do this by yelling a color that you also happen to have on your body that is exposed as well. The more of that color you have, the more damage you’ll deal and the less of that color will deal less damage. That’s what Shunsui means by, “the more riskier the color is to you, the more damage you deal.” When Shunsui started the game by announcing the color grey, he attacked Starrk’s grey sleeve. Now even though Starrk felt like his arm was going to be chopped off by the amount of force Shunsui swung, he only received a small cut. The reason for that is, Shunsui didn’t have any grey anywhere on his body so the game forces his attack to deal as little as damage as possible no matter how hard he swung down his sword. Starrk immediately figured out the rules and attacked with white, since white is the color that they would both take the most damage with. This is why Shunsui told him, “You guessed correctly.” Shunsui then changes this by catching Starrk off guard, with throwing his white Captain’s haori in front of Starrk, revealing him wearing a shihakushō that’s entirely black. This means if he were to attack any area that’s black on Starrk’s body, Shunsui would deal maximum damage. And that’s exactly what he did when he went for Starrk’s hollow hole. Hopefully, this made sense.
@@megamonster1234 I suppose since shadows are inherently black and there is no light passing through the hole, it counts as black as long as you cut where the shadow is. The game doesn’t seem to limit what you can cut to just clothing. It’s also pretty symbolic for Starrk to be defeated from his hollow hole since according to Kubo, “hollows have holes in their chests because they lose their center, or heart, from pain.”
Despite Toshiro being a counter(controlling both Ice and water forms) if you notice she was stronger and easily keeping up with Bankai in base, and more after she was injured and with two vizards, she probably held back against seeing Toshiro a kid.makes sense if you get her.
Coyote Starrk aspect of death he represented was loneliness...the fact his arrancar transformation removed his loneliness by creating Lillynette is kinda beautiful ! A lone wolf becoming a pack of wolf. When he lost her again, it was really tragic, coming back to that state of loneliness. I believe it was the real moment he lost...however incredibly powerful Shunsui was.
In Aizen's eye Harribel is struggling against fodder, Hitsugaya who's one of the weakest captain's, Hiyori and Lisa two former vice captains and failed arrancars. Stark lost to Shunsui one of the strongest senior captains, and was also getting jump by two former captains.
@@crist3809 Yeah cause he’s the youngest and least experienced. Shunsui even says that at that particular moment Toshiro was weaker than him but he expects Toshiro to eventually surpass him.
Stark is such a great character. Tragic backstory and enjoyable personality. The theme that plays when he’s defeated is also one of my favorite pieces in Bleach. I hope you’ll recognize it again in the future.
He was too weak. None of them needed a bankai to fight him. Maybe Love and Rose WOULD have needed it if Kyoraku didn't come back, but sadly, to me, Starrk was mostly a disappointment. Number 3 controls all water on the battlefield, Number 4 throws around literal nuclear bombs, number 2 controls time itself... and what can Starrk do? Shoot more ceros than others? Turn his ceros into wolves? I'm sorry, that's just pathetic.
@@mitromney His power is manipulating souls, his cero stuff is just because of his insane reiatsu pool, he can split his soul and use them as weapons which can deal serious damage to captain level soul reapers if they land
I mean, we still got number 10 around. I wholeheartedly refuse to acknowledge Yammy as number 0. For that matter, Kubo could have revealed Harribel to be number -3 or m/w if ya turn the number.
I think they didn't expect him to one shot espada. Grimmjow was schooling Ichigo while same Ichigo schooled byakuya. And byakuya was one of the strongest captains.
Some people underestimate how strong starrk is, but realize he fought 2 captain level vizards, and probably the 2nd and 3rd strongest captains in the soul society all back to back and still almost won
@xyenia0122 ukitake is stated to be on par with shunsui whenever he fights, its just that due to his illness, he rarely fights. But it's 100% confirmed he and shunsui are equals. Shunsui I'd say is 2, making ukitake 3rd. Also, wonderweiss barley helped him
@@Fatalbeast22 Wonderweiss literally oneshotted Ukitake allowing Stark to get an opening on Shunsui to temporarily take him out of the fight. Wouldn't call that barely helping. And Ukitake and Shunsui are only equals in terms of experience, not strength. Sure people like to use his illness as an excuse but he's had it his entire soul reaper career and because of it he couldn't even take out a regular hollow on his own.
@xyenia0122 ok? He was fighting both shunsui and ukitake by himself for 2 episodes, then fought rose and love, former captains with hallow masks, then he fought shunsui again after getting sneak stabbed. It's still absurdly impressive. Also Yamamoto literally says shunsui and ukitake are the 2 greatest students he's ever had, and considering he taught basically every soul reaper except unohana and kenpachi, I'd say that's pretty good evidence to show ukitakes strength. Also in the hell arc, it seems like ukitake is now the guardian of hell keeping in and pulling people back in, not Yamamoto, not unohana, ukitake
@@Fatalbeast22 Shunsui and Ukitake toyed with him for 2 episodes. And him fighting Rose and Love would be impressive but let's be real every vizard besides Hachi has been shown to be a jobber yet he still couldn't get them to go all out. Maybe they would've used bankai if Shunsui didn't interrupt but at that point his limited number of kamikaze wolves wouldn't have been enough to finish the job and he's basically useless once they run out. And no, Yamamoto didn't teach every soul reaper. He only taught the founding class of the soul reaper academy, of which Shunsui and Ukitake were his star pupils. I'd address the last part but that's getting into spoiler territory and The Normies read comments.
[Tidbits & Clarifications] - The theme behind Starrk and Wolves is quite sad when you understand the life of a "lone wolf". A lone wolf is a wolf that is searching, and what it seeks is another wolf. Everything in a wolf's nature tells it to belong to something greater than itself: the pack. We saw that Starrk didn't care fighting or killing anyone, he just wanted something to belong to. Starrks Tale is one of loneliness and it's used to show just how awful Aizen is, he is quite literally the devil here, a Shinigami taking advantage of these lost souls, using them to fight his war and discarding them. - Aizen's betrayal towards Harribel is that much worse when you remember her aspect of death is Sacrifice. Aizen spits in the face of all of their Sacrifices, simply because he felt they weren't living up to his expectations. - Aizen expected more from the Espada, once Starrk dies it's proof that Harribel is useless, if number 1 and 2 lost, then it's legit simply a matter of time before 3 is taken down, remember Aizen doesn't view them as anything but tools.
This espada fight was a trial run for aizen. Aizen wasn't impressed, so he decommissioned them. Aizen never needed the espada , he simply gave them a purpose.
Tite created two great Antagonist in Ulquiorra and Stark. Having someone on the opposite site, you want to root for is something very special to achieve imo. I also believe Stark never gave his 100% during the fight, he always looked restrained, even at the very end.
I mean... wanting your antagonists to matter isn't quite the same thing as rooting for them. The top espada fights are so incredibly underwhelming. None of them accomplish anything except extending this arc. Some have some cool ideas but... they go nowhere. After all that build up? The only casualty incurred are fucking Hinamori and Rangiku lmao. And Ikkaku I guess? If that counts? And those weren't even to the Espada! Actually I'm now realizing I _was_ rooting for someone... Aizen when he decided to delete em lol
@@ReshapableThe espada did not have a goal beyond what Aizen wanted, which was the get ichigo stronger. They achieved that goal even though they didn’t know they were fighting for it.
@@AnnoyingMobileGames In what way does that impact any of what I said? I wasn't disappointed in their goal (although I would be had they not disappointed me before that even mattered), I was disappointed that they were effectively canon filler content. They wasted my time. In fact by their failure (not in outcome but efficacy) they retroactively wasted more time than just their fight sequences because all the time spent hyping them up also becomes pointless. Which again, would be mitigated had they at least been fun. But Barragan got pit against backup dancer, lesser aristocrat, and the handyman, completely wasting his neat little gimmick because no matter what happened who effin cares? Stark's special trait is... Cero. Cero that hurts himself. Wat. And Halibel... I'm not even sure what to say about Halibel. Except I regularly forget she was an espada.
@Reshapable Thats straight up some of the dumbest mentality ive ever seen, you might as well stop watching any show because the good guys will always win so dont waste your -irrelevant- time seeing villains "not acomplish stuff"
After seeing everything Harribel can do, it’s no surprise that people consider Ulquiorra’s Segunda Etapa to be stronger than her. I can’t imagine Ulquiorra having any trouble against Visoreds Lieutenants after he humiliated a Masked Bankai Ichigo.
too bad that databook unmasked states Yammy is the only one who can change his number so 2nd form Ulquiorra is still just the 4th. Yammy>Starrk>Barragan>Halibel>Ulquiorra
Starrk never getting a proper fight is the worst part about this Arc. Which then raised the argument of if Ulquiorra was actually stronger but truth still stands. Starrk is #1.
Alot of people love Starkk because he is the easy example to see he is no different then the soul reapers or honestly anyone his want is the most basic human need "community". But if you look at every arrancar and Espada they aren't evil or rather its not back and white Soul Reapers(good) Arrancar (Evil). Morally how is Mayuri different then Granz, Grimmjow and Kenpachi looking for the thrill of the hunter, Nel is a arrancar but she is compassionate and sweet. Its just two sides to war that believe in their leaderships goal while their are some like granz and mayuri that are self suring there are those like Starkk that just wanna stand by someone who gave them what that always needed a place to call home
I'm sure someone said this already but stark is a true vasto lorde. He already had his humanoid form before meeting Aizen. I think there might be a couple other true Vasto Lorde but i forget. They mentioned this evolution during that Grimmjow flashback. If all 10 Espada were all true Vasto Lorde they could have destroyed soul society.
Stark is a natural Arrancar since he was humanoid before Aizen, Barragan, Harribel, and Ulquiorra are Vasto Lordes for sure and Grimmjow I think is in TYBW/CFYOW but hasn’t been one for long. I think Barragan, Ulquiorra, and Harribel are natural VL too; Barragan because of his appearance being a skeletal human and no other hollow has been like that, Ulquiorra and Harribel because both of their pre-arrancar forms don’t have mouths so they couldn’t feed on anything to get to VL status from Gillian. As best I understand it, idk actually know about Grimmjow I thought he was an Adjuchas but it’s supposedly confirmed in CFYOW he is VL.
@tear4567 I think all the espadas and prolly some of their fraccion are prolly stronger than standard nom hogyoku vasto lorde. the espadas below ulquirra probably through becoming arrancar became as strong or stronger than regular vasto lorde. feel like someone like grimjow was at the peak of aduchas and becoming arrancar prolly made his vasto lorde. maybe if he had became arrancar while already a vasto lorde, he could have been even stronger
I love Stark and Barragan, both are so well written, shame both their stories ended already but they were great regardless. Also Stark is such a great parallel for Shunsui almost even a copy but that’ll involve future context.
If Stark survived and Appears in TYBW he probably would joined for Ichigo like Grimmjow and Nel I'm sad he never apprars again the poor guy just wanted friends and Comrades so he created lilynette so he can have a friend on his side
The imaginary with starrk thinking about the other espada is nice cause he thinks about his friends. However, if you closely look they gradually get closer to him the point of view, the stronger the espada(aka the higher rank). It’s a little detail, that’s why Ulqiurra, Harribel, and Baragon are so close. And why espada 9 is so far away, but since yammy isn’t there as espada 0 he could be behind him, backing up his claim of being the strongest.
How are yall surprised by Aizen's actions...have you not been paying attention this entire time he literally DGAF!! If he thinks you're useless to his plans, no matter if you're still alive or not, he's gonna get rid of you either himself or through one of the others I know this is weeks old but come on guys
Starrk fought four captains and two of them had Hollow masks . That is impressive. I still feel like he didn't try hos hardest. Hos heart wasnt into it. I really wish Starrk and Shunsui could have become friends.
Stark is such an underrated Espada, like he took on four captains. Like he would of lost against Ukitake and Kyoraku if they didn't get suprise by Wonderweiss but he still fought them, then went stright after two visord captain and won before fighting a rested Kyoraku again and losing.
“Noiitora was just I want to be the best killer guy” oh brother but I forgot shonen fans can’t understand the concept of a well written character that’s not a good person.
Ulquiorra wouldn’t have had trouble dealing with Harribel’s opponents, especially with his speed in Segunda Etapa. I don’t see how some people still think Harribel is stronger than him with his secret extra transformation.
Databook Unmasked states Yammy is the ONLY espada who can change number, so Ulquiorra with his 2nd form is still just the 4th espada, so Halibel is above him. Other databook and novel informations prove the espadas numbering was perfect, with Yammy and Starrk on the top
@ That’s because the ranking never took Ulquiorra’s Segunda Etapa into account. Yammy physically changes numbers like we see with his tattoo from 10 to 0. Ulquiorra kept his transformation a secret so there was no number he’ll change to.
@@yakioni2848 thats just a big ass headcanon nonsens, databook literally considers Ulquiorras second form, it says he is the only espada with a second transformation but thats all, nothing more, yet it says Yammy is the only one who can change his number, so doesnt matter how you Ulquiorratards crying his 2nd form is still just makes him the 4th.
What makes you think that? They were going 1v1 against a hollowfied ichigo which was the prototype of vasto lorde with no mask at all? I also don’t know what you mean by trouble stark and barragan died before she her had a real fight. These things are happening at the same time not one after the other. She didn’t spend hours fighting them.
Just like stan lee says, it's up to the writer's minds who wins or not by how you write it even if it's stupid or not lol and it doesn't matter who is stronger or not in the readers mind, even tho they could pick off some stupid plot hole.
I hesitate to even call Stark a villain, let alone an antagonist tbh. He was just a lonely soul caught on the wrong side of a conflict he wanted no part of :/ Also, I'm going to say this because you are almost certainly going to encounter casuals in the community saying Stark is "weak" for going down in one hit, and that he didn't deserve to be Primera: It's not that Stark is weak, it's that Kyoraku is just that strong, even in Shikai (though yes, Kyoraku did kind of do him dirty and stab him from behind lol). Kyoraku is among the top 3 strongest Captains, and his Shikai alone is stronger than some Captain's Bankai's. Something that alot of viewers seem to miss (even though Kyoraku explains it minutes prior) is that Stark went down after that slash because it dealt EXPONENTIALLY more damage due to Iro Oni's rules. Kyoraku was wearing black and according to the rules, the riskier the color you call is to you, the more damage you deal. He might not be flashy like Barragan or Ulquiorra, or have massive displays of power, but if you actually pay attention, his feats are solid. 1) He takes on four captains: two of whom are currently in the top 4 strongest captains, the other two being Hollow-amped Visoreds, ALL while sandbagging 2) He takes absolutely no damage from any of Love's attacks. 3)When he STARTS trying, he obliterates Rose and Love instantly, prompting a "scummy" backstab from Kyoraku, though tbf it's war, and he did what he had to to get the W. 4) Lilinette dies, throwing him off his game mentally and he still scales to Kyoraku's speed/power in their 1v1, Kyoraku being far stronger than every other character besides Aizen, Yama, Unohana, and MAYBE Gin. 5) The databook states he's capable of firing an infinite number of Ceros and has near bottomless spiritual pressure
The problem with Stark is that his entire arsenal is Cero spam. I agree with you that people give him a raw deal when it comes to judging his strength, but that's because he got a very raw deal in what abilities Kubo gave him to fight with. Beam spam NEVER works, and sadly that's ALL he does, and the moment I realized that (when watching this originally) that Cero spam was his only means of attack, I was both extremely disappointed (with the writing) and felt his whole fight lost any sense of tension over who might actually win.
I think a serious stark is at least as strong as bazz B. even with segunda, I don't think ulquirra is stronger than stark and barragan.defoo better than harribel tho.
@ while I see what you mean, I’d argue that his true power being the ability to split his soul and use the pieces as weapons is the perfect thematic power for him. His wolf soul warheads also appear to be waaaay stronger than a cero, which begs the question of just how powerful he would be if he actually went all out if that’s how powerful fragments of his soul are. And the fact that Kubo revealed on Klub that he was the only Espada Aizen decided to be cautious of when approaching is another big tell.
Navi, Espada is just a title for the group of the strongest Arrancar. All the Espada did get the powers of Soul Reapers, which is why they're Arrancar in the first place, otherwise they'd just be Hollows. Barragan never had a sliver of a chance against Aizen. Starrk, Second Release Ulquiorra and Yammy are all stronger than him, and Aizen is collectively stronger than ALL the Arrancar AND Espada TOGETHER.
Szayalaporo has a backstory its only revealed in the light novels. An evil story at that. Starrk's aspect of death is loneliness. He was so strong that he killed the people he cared about by just being around them. He was so lonely cuz there wasn't anyone with him that he essentially split himself into two beings and thus weaken himself just so that he could be with someone else. And yet he was Espada 1 in a weakened state. He was also shown to be an Arrancar before Aizen met him. Meaning he's a natural Arrancar unlike others who had to become an Arrancar by using the hogyoku. Since Starrk split himself into two beings his personality also got split meaning only Lilinette had the fighting intent. That's why they were almost like polar opposites. That's why Starrk didn't have the intent to fight but Lilinette had. So in such a weakened state he was a natural Arrancar as well as Espada 1 which is crazy imo. If only somehow he was able to merge with Lilinette to become the being that he was before. Also forgot to mention how Starrk remained a Vasto Lorde even after splitting himself into two. Starrk was also tearing his soul for the Los Lobos attack and it didn't affect him. That's a big thing looking at it with context.
In case nobody told you guys already, it is widely theorized that Stark was so strong when he was 1 piece and alone, that Aizen literally HAD to wait until he split into Coyote and Lillinete to approach them. Wish he could've come back in the latest arc or something in his original form; I feel like its a waste of potential and a cool character.
What’s even funnier about the Midget joke is that Toshiro has the same VA as Edward Elric from FMAB, and if you know you know; he HATES being called short.
She lost to Hitsugaya 1v1 and definitely wasn't winning the 3v1 and Stark and Baragon who are both stronger lost... It was just a matter of time before she was cooked and Aizen lost patience...
Love’s Zanpakuto, Tengumaru, means “Long-Nosed Goblin” in Japanese. Rose’s Zanpakuto, Kinshara, means “Golden Sal Tree” in Japanese. Lisa’s Zanpakuto, Haguro Tonbo, means “Iron Drink Dragonfly” in Japanese. And Hiyori’s Zanpakuto, Kubikiri Orochi, means “Beheading Serpent” in Japanese.
Harribel is a good being Despite Toshiro being a counter(controlling both Ice and water forms) if you notice she was stronger and easily keeping up with Bankai in base, and more after she was injured and with two vizards, she probably held back against seeing Toshiro a kid.
I just realized after rewatching bleach multiple times, the way aizen talks to baraggan in the flashback reminds me of those people who stop others in public to offer some goods/services that usually sound sketchy.
After learning about Grimmjow, Ulquiorra, and Stark, I hope Navi finally understands what a well-written villian is like, instead of fawning over lame villains who are evil for evil's sake
There's nothing wrong with liking villains who are evil for evil sake. Aizen is a cool, etc and he's technically evil for evil sake. Some of the greatest villains don't necessarily need "deep" motivation. They just need to be threating, have presence in the plot, creating tension, etc. Frieza, Doflamingo, Orchimaru, and aizen.. They aren't lame at all lol.
@@awsomeboy360 I wasn't really talking about Aizen in particular. I actually think he's great. I agree with you that there are some villains who are evil for evil's sake that are really good, like the ones that you mentioned. I was talking more about Mahito from JJK, who Navi said was a really well-written villain, even though he's kind of flat and generic.
@@awsomeboy360mahito being evil doesn’t = not a good villian. You sound like the people who saw jjk s2 and came out of it saying ugh all spectacle fights no story. Season1 sets up mahito. The same season people cried ugh overhyped. Most didn’t pay attention. Mahito being built from all the negativity of humanity having said hate and envy and pure disgust pushed out as a patched up shell of a being that changes its soul to grotesque shapes while tormenting our hero. Idk what to tell people who go ugh bad villian. I’ll give you that people superficially like him for cool fights and taking out the cast and good voice acting but tons from his character to him not being the main villian and his fast growth as a human curse repoing how destructive he is vs disaster natural disaster curses is just nice writing. People downplay jjk like people used to bleach. It’s an annoying cycle just cause bleach or jjk doesn’t have a villian monologue as much as naruto their hopes and dreams etc. I guess s3/4 of jjk will spoon feed more of the villians motives and beliefs but I’m glad their is still a mystery to sukuna. Overall jjk doesn’t have the best villians in shonen but no one said ya gotta be best to be good. In fact jjk to me works by being a jack of most trades to a degree and focusing on action and speed. Just as one piece focuses on plot and worldbuilding over action. Everything has its vice. It’s all up to what you’re looking for I guess. People loved frieren and said it was the greatest series ever made but it’s cause it focused on things they value and made sure they realized what they were getting into aka slower melancholy stuff. I don’t know why maybe the delay but so many got sold on jjk and thought the climax of an arch would have more slice of life breathing room 😢.
Hachi is definitely one of the better vizards. He seems like he could become simply from his kido skills alone. I like how he used the opponent power against him Omaeda is one of the faster litueants. He would have catch Soi fon. Kisuke is going to find some way to break out of that barrier so Soi fon did that for nothing.
Harribel was a pretty underwhelming Espada for her ranking. Toshiro said that Vasto Lordes were stronger than Captain Class and yet he who’s not even among the strongest of Captains was able to get the better of a Vasto Lorde ARRANCAR. Even Ulquiorra seemed more impressive than her who’s ranked lower than her.
That doesn’t matter Toshiro’s power counters hers her power counters his you aren’t gonna make water stronger than water. You have to think of the context of what’s happening in the fight just because you think he’s weak doesn’t mean he is simple as.
And No 1 and 2 littered died from battle so in his head there is no point in keeping her alive in his villainous head to get to the otr stage of the Plan.
❤ while Barragan wasn’t my fav espada I did really like his motivations and Aizen making him #2 like a fuck you to him lol stark broke my heart 😢 his backstory is so touching and he is such a cool character I wanted him to stay or be resurrected somehow!! Him and Kyoraku could have be friends I believe
Interesting fun fact about Starkk. Kubo confirmed in an interview that Starkk was actually capable of releasing a second form, just like Ulqiorra. Imagine how terrifying he would have been if he had done that.
Okay, this has been debated forever. Look, I like Stark as a character. But Barragan was the more intense Espada. He felt insane, and he was way more difficult to beat. He honestly should have been ranked number #1. Barragan truly felt impossible to beat literally defeating himself lol. Though nevertheless, I like Stark. HE's a cool interesting Espada and never really felt like a badguy. Could have been in our side had the soul reapers met him first.
I just wish he went out in a way that more showed off his strength. I think Kubo wanted to establish how strong Shunsui was but the fact that he wasn't even pushed to use his Bankai just makes Stark look weak to the point people question his status as number 1.
@@awsomeboy360 They're effective counters to each other's trumps, you could've even argue hard counters. Barragan can't shut down anything involving Starrk's soul much in the same way Starrk can't shut down Barragan's aging. It would come down entirely to who can land the first decisive hit.
Shinigamis bankais are liked Super Saiyajin, a release form of the zanpakuto Arrancars resurreción is like Frizas backwards transformations Their real form is in the zanpakuto and by releasing, turns them into their original hollow forms but stronger over the shinigami base
The whole thing with Lilinette's consciousness taking control of the wolves is anime only. Her disappearing like that when the wolves were destroyed, wasn't in the manga. Instead it seemed more like she and stark are fully fused together when the pistols disappeared and the wolves came out. Thus making them alone again. And then, after Stark was stabbed with Kageoni, it went straight into the Iro oni (color game). I don't know if the anime stuff between that was meant to be just some filler or an expansion to the fight. Her sacrifice in the anime makes it a lot sadder, but it's also very weird that they would have this kamikaze attack, where one of them can be destroyed so easily. I don't think i like it.
Stark got the jogoat treatment of jjk without the help of ever clowning on the main cast like jogoat. Stark fights strong people loses and is called trash like jogoat. Hail the false jobbers we know Dee well. 😢
Or they can tune into the new stuff! I realize this is a 3 month old post, but it just happens the video released for my lowly tier today, right in between the airing of the episodes that make this relevant haha
Well fun fact even though you guys aren't going to have time for this because it doesn't look like a thousand year blood Wars ever going to go on hiatus. But there is a bleach Arc that is all centered around the soul Reaper swords getting physical form and the plot is basically the souls that are within the swords are trying to fight for their freedom from the swords and be treated like actual people
only ulquiora had the second form he was the strongest espada because of it, he only remained 6 because he didnt let anyone know that he had achieved that form
Why would Aizen kill his #1 tho Chris? It makes sense to take out 3 after 1 and 2 are gone... She quite literally would have been killed in her fight same as her more powerful seniors were... She just got lucky her opponents took the time to argue before fighting seriously lol
Stark was a wasted character, they should have made him unlock a second release at least, even when he died it still felt like he was holding back in a way because he didn’t really feel like fighting, or at least they should have kept him alive
Espada 1 and 2 died on top of that the last remaining espada (halibel) couldn´t even take out toshiro (at this point probably the weakest captain) even tho for the most part they fought 1 v 1...her performance is poor in his eyes and honestly understandable
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I’m Lowkey upset ya let Raya missed these episodes. Hope she catches up
I imagine some people still don’t quite understand how the last game Shunsui and Starrk played works so let me explain. So in the game, Irooni(AKA Colorful Demon) both parties need to announce a color to cut on their opponents as long as they have that color exposed on their body. The goal is to deal as much damage as possible onto your opponent. You do this by yelling a color that you also happen to have on your body that is exposed as well. The more of that color you have, the more damage you’ll deal and the less of that color will deal less damage. That’s what Shunsui means by, “the more riskier the color is to you, the more damage you deal.” When Shunsui started the game by announcing the color grey, he attacked Starrk’s grey sleeve. Now even though Starrk felt like his arm was going to be chopped off by the amount of force Shunsui swung, he only received a small cut. The reason for that is, Shunsui didn’t have any grey anywhere on his body so the game forces his attack to deal as little as damage as possible no matter how hard he swung down his sword. Starrk immediately figured out the rules and attacked with white, since white is the color that they would both take the most damage with. This is why Shunsui told him, “You guessed correctly.” Shunsui then changes this by catching Starrk off guard, with throwing his white Captain’s haori in front of Starrk, revealing him wearing a shihakushō that’s entirely black. This means if he were to attack any area that’s black on Starrk’s body, Shunsui would deal maximum damage. And that’s exactly what he did when he went for Starrk’s hollow hole. Hopefully, this made sense.
Well said 👏
I'm confused as to how he could damage a hollow hole considering that's it's...well... hollow.
@@megamonster1234probably the inside of the hole got cut
@@megamonster1234 I suppose since shadows are inherently black and there is no light passing through the hole, it counts as black as long as you cut where the shadow is. The game doesn’t seem to limit what you can cut to just clothing. It’s also pretty symbolic for Starrk to be defeated from his hollow hole since according to Kubo, “hollows have holes in their chests because they lose their center, or heart, from pain.”
@@megamonster1234 Even a hole has walls
EDIT: Oh , damnit forgot I'm in a lower tier and this comment is super old, my bad for necro-ing lol
Aizen’s like, “Wow, she’s struggling with Hitsugaya and 2 lieutenants?! I’m putting her out of the game before she embarrasses herself any longer.”
He saw her struggling with Hiyori and was like "Nah..."
Meanwhile he gets bodied by a 15 year old
Despite Toshiro being a counter(controlling both Ice and water forms) if you notice she was stronger and easily keeping up with Bankai in base, and more after she was injured and with two vizards, she probably held back against seeing Toshiro a kid.makes sense if you get her.
@@ColonelCarnagebut he doesn’t…
@@ColonelCarnageI mean, that 15 year old is essentially Jesus 2, it's a little different.
"cant play the game if only 1 side knows the rules" - Shunsui
Coyote Starrk aspect of death he represented was loneliness...the fact his arrancar transformation removed his loneliness by creating Lillynette is kinda beautiful ! A lone wolf becoming a pack of wolf. When he lost her again, it was really tragic, coming back to that state of loneliness. I believe it was the real moment he lost...however incredibly powerful Shunsui was.
In Aizen's eye Harribel is struggling against fodder, Hitsugaya who's one of the weakest captain's, Hiyori and Lisa two former vice captains and failed arrancars. Stark lost to Shunsui one of the strongest senior captains, and was also getting jump by two former captains.
Am I the only one who ever misses Nahid?
Hitsugaya one of the weakest?
@@crist3809
Yeah cause he’s the youngest and least experienced.
Shunsui even says that at that particular moment Toshiro was weaker than him but he expects Toshiro to eventually surpass him.
@@TheUchihaCubIn hundred years _💀_
@@crist3809Exactly not
Stark is such a great character. Tragic backstory and enjoyable personality. The theme that plays when he’s defeated is also one of my favorite pieces in Bleach. I hope you’ll recognize it again in the future.
He really is. He is personally my favorite character in Bleach
To this day, I’m still upset that Starrk never got to fight a Bankai despite fighting 4 Captains. That’s like all he wanted man.
He was too weak. None of them needed a bankai to fight him. Maybe Love and Rose WOULD have needed it if Kyoraku didn't come back, but sadly, to me, Starrk was mostly a disappointment. Number 3 controls all water on the battlefield, Number 4 throws around literal nuclear bombs, number 2 controls time itself... and what can Starrk do? Shoot more ceros than others? Turn his ceros into wolves? I'm sorry, that's just pathetic.
tbf out of the two bankai we actually see from the 4 starrk wouldn't stand a chance
@@mitromney His power is manipulating souls, his cero stuff is just because of his insane reiatsu pool, he can split his soul and use them as weapons which can deal serious damage to captain level soul reapers if they land
@@mitromneyBarragan does not control time lmao what show did you watch
@@tealover7058 His respira ages things out of existence. That's textbook time manipulation bro. Learn your Bleach lore, newbie.
Think about it like this. Number 1 and 2 already lost. What is number 3 gonna do that they couldn't.
I mean, we still got number 10 around.
I wholeheartedly refuse to acknowledge Yammy as number 0. For that matter, Kubo could have revealed Harribel to be number -3 or m/w if ya turn the number.
Yeah lol
unrelated but holy s this was uploaded 5 months ago? their paywalling it's insane lol.
His number 1 and 2 lost so he no longer needed 3.
All the shit Aizen has done and you guys are still surprised at him taking out the Espadas.😂
I think they didn't expect him to one shot espada. Grimmjow was schooling Ichigo while same Ichigo schooled byakuya. And byakuya was one of the strongest captains.
@@patman-bp3qgthat’s different thou it’s aizen so we really shouldn’t be surprised at what he can do
Some people underestimate how strong starrk is, but realize he fought 2 captain level vizards, and probably the 2nd and 3rd strongest captains in the soul society all back to back and still almost won
Only because Wonderweiss bailed him out and based on his track record I don't see Ukitake being anywhere near one of the strongest captains.
@xyenia0122 ukitake is stated to be on par with shunsui whenever he fights, its just that due to his illness, he rarely fights. But it's 100% confirmed he and shunsui are equals. Shunsui I'd say is 2, making ukitake 3rd. Also, wonderweiss barley helped him
@@Fatalbeast22 Wonderweiss literally oneshotted Ukitake allowing Stark to get an opening on Shunsui to temporarily take him out of the fight. Wouldn't call that barely helping. And Ukitake and Shunsui are only equals in terms of experience, not strength. Sure people like to use his illness as an excuse but he's had it his entire soul reaper career and because of it he couldn't even take out a regular hollow on his own.
@xyenia0122 ok? He was fighting both shunsui and ukitake by himself for 2 episodes, then fought rose and love, former captains with hallow masks, then he fought shunsui again after getting sneak stabbed. It's still absurdly impressive. Also Yamamoto literally says shunsui and ukitake are the 2 greatest students he's ever had, and considering he taught basically every soul reaper except unohana and kenpachi, I'd say that's pretty good evidence to show ukitakes strength. Also in the hell arc, it seems like ukitake is now the guardian of hell keeping in and pulling people back in, not Yamamoto, not unohana, ukitake
@@Fatalbeast22 Shunsui and Ukitake toyed with him for 2 episodes. And him fighting Rose and Love would be impressive but let's be real every vizard besides Hachi has been shown to be a jobber yet he still couldn't get them to go all out. Maybe they would've used bankai if Shunsui didn't interrupt but at that point his limited number of kamikaze wolves wouldn't have been enough to finish the job and he's basically useless once they run out. And no, Yamamoto didn't teach every soul reaper. He only taught the founding class of the soul reaper academy, of which Shunsui and Ukitake were his star pupils. I'd address the last part but that's getting into spoiler territory and The Normies read comments.
Aizen really pulled up on the King of Hueco Mundo and said "Look at my Zanpakuto… I am the Captain now"
[Tidbits & Clarifications]
- The theme behind Starrk and Wolves is quite sad when you understand the life of a "lone wolf". A lone wolf is a wolf that is searching, and what it seeks is another wolf. Everything in a wolf's nature tells it to belong to something greater than itself: the pack.
We saw that Starrk didn't care fighting or killing anyone, he just wanted something to belong to.
Starrks Tale is one of loneliness and it's used to show just how awful Aizen is, he is quite literally the devil here, a Shinigami taking advantage of these lost souls, using them to fight his war and discarding them.
- Aizen's betrayal towards Harribel is that much worse when you remember her aspect of death is Sacrifice. Aizen spits in the face of all of their Sacrifices, simply because he felt they weren't living up to his expectations.
- Aizen expected more from the Espada, once Starrk dies it's proof that Harribel is useless, if number 1 and 2 lost, then it's legit simply a matter of time before 3 is taken down, remember Aizen doesn't view them as anything but tools.
This espada fight was a trial run for aizen. Aizen wasn't impressed, so he decommissioned them.
Aizen never needed the espada , he simply gave them a purpose.
Tite created two great Antagonist in Ulquiorra and Stark. Having someone on the opposite site, you want to root for is something very special to achieve imo. I also believe Stark never gave his 100% during the fight, he always looked restrained, even at the very end.
I mean... wanting your antagonists to matter isn't quite the same thing as rooting for them. The top espada fights are so incredibly underwhelming. None of them accomplish anything except extending this arc. Some have some cool ideas but... they go nowhere. After all that build up? The only casualty incurred are fucking Hinamori and Rangiku lmao. And Ikkaku I guess? If that counts? And those weren't even to the Espada!
Actually I'm now realizing I _was_ rooting for someone... Aizen when he decided to delete em lol
@@ReshapableThe espada did not have a goal beyond what Aizen wanted, which was the get ichigo stronger. They achieved that goal even though they didn’t know they were fighting for it.
@@AnnoyingMobileGames In what way does that impact any of what I said? I wasn't disappointed in their goal (although I would be had they not disappointed me before that even mattered), I was disappointed that they were effectively canon filler content. They wasted my time. In fact by their failure (not in outcome but efficacy) they retroactively wasted more time than just their fight sequences because all the time spent hyping them up also becomes pointless.
Which again, would be mitigated had they at least been fun. But Barragan got pit against backup dancer, lesser aristocrat, and the handyman, completely wasting his neat little gimmick because no matter what happened who effin cares? Stark's special trait is... Cero. Cero that hurts himself. Wat. And Halibel... I'm not even sure what to say about Halibel. Except I regularly forget she was an espada.
@Reshapable Thats straight up some of the dumbest mentality ive ever seen, you might as well stop watching any show because the good guys will always win so dont waste your -irrelevant- time seeing villains "not acomplish stuff"
databook unmasked stated Starrk used all he got to see Shunsuis bankai, so he was all out
After seeing everything Harribel can do, it’s no surprise that people consider Ulquiorra’s Segunda Etapa to be stronger than her. I can’t imagine Ulquiorra having any trouble against Visoreds Lieutenants after he humiliated a Masked Bankai Ichigo.
ulquiorra segunda etapa is stronger than stark i fear, but was a secret kept even from aizen, for that reason ulquiorra has a lower ranking
@@EnzoCampos721no he isnt, stark is far stronger and it isn't even close
too bad that databook unmasked states Yammy is the only one who can change his number so 2nd form Ulquiorra is still just the 4th. Yammy>Starrk>Barragan>Halibel>Ulquiorra
@@EnzoCampos721Nope, Starl is stronger and that even if you hear Kubo's backstory, Aizen feared Stark's full potential.
The vizords were one v one with a full transformed hollow Ichigo which is a prototype to vasto lorde so no idea where you got that idea from.
Starrk never getting a proper fight is the worst part about this Arc. Which then raised the argument of if Ulquiorra was actually stronger but truth still stands. Starrk is #1.
Barragan essentially has a safe zone from his power, Byakuya does something similar so he doesn’t get cut but his countless tiny blades.
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Alot of people love Starkk because he is the easy example to see he is no different then the soul reapers or honestly anyone his want is the most basic human need "community". But if you look at every arrancar and Espada they aren't evil or rather its not back and white Soul Reapers(good) Arrancar (Evil). Morally how is Mayuri different then Granz, Grimmjow and Kenpachi looking for the thrill of the hunter, Nel is a arrancar but she is compassionate and sweet. Its just two sides to war that believe in their leaderships goal while their are some like granz and mayuri that are self suring there are those like Starkk that just wanna stand by someone who gave them what that always needed a place to call home
I'm sure someone said this already but stark is a true vasto lorde. He already had his humanoid form before meeting Aizen. I think there might be a couple other true Vasto Lorde but i forget. They mentioned this evolution during that Grimmjow flashback. If all 10 Espada were all true Vasto Lorde they could have destroyed soul society.
Stark is a natural Arrancar since he was humanoid before Aizen, Barragan, Harribel, and Ulquiorra are Vasto Lordes for sure and Grimmjow I think is in TYBW/CFYOW but hasn’t been one for long. I think Barragan, Ulquiorra, and Harribel are natural VL too; Barragan because of his appearance being a skeletal human and no other hollow has been like that, Ulquiorra and Harribel because both of their pre-arrancar forms don’t have mouths so they couldn’t feed on anything to get to VL status from Gillian. As best I understand it, idk actually know about Grimmjow I thought he was an Adjuchas but it’s supposedly confirmed in CFYOW he is VL.
@tear4567 I think all the espadas and prolly some of their fraccion are prolly stronger than standard nom hogyoku vasto lorde. the espadas below ulquirra probably through becoming arrancar became as strong or stronger than regular vasto lorde. feel like someone like grimjow was at the peak of aduchas and becoming arrancar prolly made his vasto lorde. maybe if he had became arrancar while already a vasto lorde, he could have been even stronger
If shinsui opens his bankai, Stark will be pinned to the ground. At least that's how the manga shows it.vasto lorde mean nothing, weak
Shisui is Itachi's friend.
Hisagi is Shuhei and Kyoraku is Shunsui.
I love Stark and Barragan, both are so well written, shame both their stories ended already but they were great regardless. Also Stark is such a great parallel for Shunsui almost even a copy but that’ll involve future context.
shinsui the GOAT
57:20 you really think Aizen need Toshiro to be tired to defeat him?XD
If Stark survived and Appears in TYBW he probably would joined for Ichigo like Grimmjow and Nel
I'm sad he never apprars again the poor guy just wanted friends and Comrades so he created lilynette so he can have a friend on his side
Starrk for sure could have beaten most of the non-elite Sternritters. He'd need to join in with the others to beat an elite though
The imaginary with starrk thinking about the other espada is nice cause he thinks about his friends. However, if you closely look they gradually get closer to him the point of view, the stronger the espada(aka the higher rank). It’s a little detail, that’s why Ulqiurra, Harribel, and Baragon are so close. And why espada 9 is so far away, but since yammy isn’t there as espada 0 he could be behind him, backing up his claim of being the strongest.
How are yall surprised by Aizen's actions...have you not been paying attention this entire time he literally DGAF!! If he thinks you're useless to his plans, no matter if you're still alive or not, he's gonna get rid of you either himself or through one of the others
I know this is weeks old but come on guys
Aizen is sick of the filler and wants to get straight to the main event, and I respect that!
Starrk fought four captains and two of them had Hollow masks . That is impressive. I still feel like he didn't try hos hardest. Hos heart wasnt into it.
I really wish Starrk and Shunsui could have become friends.
Stark is such an underrated Espada, like he took on four captains. Like he would of lost against Ukitake and Kyoraku if they didn't get suprise by Wonderweiss but he still fought them, then went stright after two visord captain and won before fighting a rested Kyoraku again and losing.
“Noiitora was just I want to be the best killer guy” oh brother but I forgot shonen fans can’t understand the concept of a well written character that’s not a good person.
Ulquiorra wouldn’t have had trouble dealing with Harribel’s opponents, especially with his speed in Segunda Etapa. I don’t see how some people still think Harribel is stronger than him with his secret extra transformation.
Databook Unmasked states Yammy is the ONLY espada who can change number, so Ulquiorra with his 2nd form is still just the 4th espada, so Halibel is above him. Other databook and novel informations prove the espadas numbering was perfect, with Yammy and Starrk on the top
@ That’s because the ranking never took Ulquiorra’s Segunda Etapa into account. Yammy physically changes numbers like we see with his tattoo from 10 to 0. Ulquiorra kept his transformation a secret so there was no number he’ll change to.
@@yakioni2848 thats just a big ass headcanon nonsens, databook literally considers Ulquiorras second form, it says he is the only espada with a second transformation but thats all, nothing more, yet it says Yammy is the only one who can change his number, so doesnt matter how you Ulquiorratards crying his 2nd form is still just makes him the 4th.
What makes you think that? They were going 1v1 against a hollowfied ichigo which was the prototype of vasto lorde with no mask at all?
I also don’t know what you mean by trouble stark and barragan died before she her had a real fight. These things are happening at the same time not one after the other. She didn’t spend hours fighting them.
Just like stan lee says, it's up to the writer's minds who wins or not by how you write it even if it's stupid or not lol and it doesn't matter who is stronger or not in the readers mind, even tho they could pick off some stupid plot hole.
I hesitate to even call Stark a villain, let alone an antagonist tbh. He was just a lonely soul caught on the wrong side of a conflict he wanted no part of :/
Also, I'm going to say this because you are almost certainly going to encounter casuals in the community saying Stark is "weak" for going down in one hit, and that he didn't deserve to be Primera:
It's not that Stark is weak, it's that Kyoraku is just that strong, even in Shikai (though yes, Kyoraku did kind of do him dirty and stab him from behind lol).
Kyoraku is among the top 3 strongest Captains, and his Shikai alone is stronger than some Captain's Bankai's. Something that alot of viewers seem to miss (even though Kyoraku explains it minutes prior) is that Stark went down after that slash because it dealt EXPONENTIALLY more damage due to Iro Oni's rules. Kyoraku was wearing black and according to the rules, the riskier the color you call is to you, the more damage you deal.
He might not be flashy like Barragan or Ulquiorra, or have massive displays of power, but if you actually pay attention, his feats are solid.
1) He takes on four captains: two of whom are currently in the top 4 strongest captains, the other two being Hollow-amped Visoreds, ALL while sandbagging
2) He takes absolutely no damage from any of Love's attacks.
3)When he STARTS trying, he obliterates Rose and Love instantly, prompting a "scummy" backstab from Kyoraku, though tbf it's war, and he did what he had to to get the W.
4) Lilinette dies, throwing him off his game mentally and he still scales to Kyoraku's speed/power in their 1v1, Kyoraku being far stronger than every other character besides Aizen, Yama, Unohana, and MAYBE Gin.
5) The databook states he's capable of firing an infinite number of Ceros and has near bottomless spiritual pressure
a "scummy" backstab... no
The problem with Stark is that his entire arsenal is Cero spam. I agree with you that people give him a raw deal when it comes to judging his strength, but that's because he got a very raw deal in what abilities Kubo gave him to fight with.
Beam spam NEVER works, and sadly that's ALL he does, and the moment I realized that (when watching this originally) that Cero spam was his only means of attack, I was both extremely disappointed (with the writing) and felt his whole fight lost any sense of tension over who might actually win.
I think a serious stark is at least as strong as bazz B. even with segunda, I don't think ulquirra is stronger than stark and barragan.defoo better than harribel tho.
@ while I see what you mean, I’d argue that his true power being the ability to split his soul and use the pieces as weapons is the perfect thematic power for him. His wolf soul warheads also appear to be waaaay stronger than a cero, which begs the question of just how powerful he would be if he actually went all out if that’s how powerful fragments of his soul are. And the fact that Kubo revealed on Klub that he was the only Espada Aizen decided to be cautious of when approaching is another big tell.
Aizen: You didn’t meet the KPI, you're fired! No salary!
Knowing Urahara, he would escape any barrier Hachi makes.
Them underestimating Aizen ..is comical
Wish they updated this more frequently
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Navi, Espada is just a title for the group of the strongest Arrancar. All the Espada did get the powers of Soul Reapers, which is why they're Arrancar in the first place, otherwise they'd just be Hollows.
Barragan never had a sliver of a chance against Aizen. Starrk, Second Release Ulquiorra and Yammy are all stronger than him, and Aizen is collectively stronger than ALL the Arrancar AND Espada TOGETHER.
Szayalaporo has a backstory its only revealed in the light novels. An evil story at that.
Starrk's aspect of death is loneliness. He was so strong that he killed the people he cared about by just being around them. He was so lonely cuz there wasn't anyone with him that he essentially split himself into two beings and thus weaken himself just so that he could be with someone else. And yet he was Espada 1 in a weakened state. He was also shown to be an Arrancar before Aizen met him. Meaning he's a natural Arrancar unlike others who had to become an Arrancar by using the hogyoku. Since Starrk split himself into two beings his personality also got split meaning only Lilinette had the fighting intent. That's why they were almost like polar opposites. That's why Starrk didn't have the intent to fight but Lilinette had. So in such a weakened state he was a natural Arrancar as well as Espada 1 which is crazy imo. If only somehow he was able to merge with Lilinette to become the being that he was before. Also forgot to mention how Starrk remained a Vasto Lorde even after splitting himself into two. Starrk was also tearing his soul for the Los Lobos attack and it didn't affect him. That's a big thing looking at it with context.
Time for Aizen to shine through
42:02 starrk is so cool 🔥
The way they confuse themselves truly needs to be studied lol 😂. Like guys please.
It's just being Aizen. Now they'll his real strength.
Suraj, you keep calling Rujuro as Love, when thats the other guy lol.
For some reason a lot of people confuse these two somehow. They always think Rose is Love and other way around.
I'm sure people on patreon said this but, at 53:08 the children's game switched to one they played before.
Stark deserved better 😢 Aizen just figured if his 1 and 2 are dead his 3 will die too so no need to waste time
Hachi is THAT guy!
In case nobody told you guys already, it is widely theorized that Stark was so strong when he was 1 piece and alone, that Aizen literally HAD to wait until he split into Coyote and Lillinete to approach them. Wish he could've come back in the latest arc or something in his original form; I feel like its a waste of potential and a cool character.
Have to stop by to to announce that they FINALLY STARTED THE THOUSAND YEARS BLOOD WAR.
What’s even funnier about the Midget joke is that Toshiro has the same VA as Edward Elric from FMAB, and if you know you know; he HATES being called short.
Unfortunately Edward's VA voices ikkaku, toshiro is voiced by Neji's VA Steve Staley
@ *in Sub
@leoblack949 I’m talking about the sub
@@c3p6Exactly
44:40 bro, lylinette IS starkk. They’re both one. SMH 🤦♂️
49:02 Then watch the Zanpakuto Rebellion Arc.
Lastly lol Losing to Stark isn't scrubish... he's #1 lol it took the strongest captain besides the commander to win.
don't need Bankai.
She lost to Hitsugaya 1v1 and definitely wasn't winning the 3v1 and Stark and Baragon who are both stronger lost... It was just a matter of time before she was cooked and Aizen lost patience...
I absolutely love Love and Rose, especially in the Stark fight.
NAVI IS ABSOLUTELY STUNNING in this green dress!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I thought I was the only one thinking that lol
Next episodes are gonna be amazing!
Love’s Zanpakuto, Tengumaru, means “Long-Nosed Goblin” in Japanese.
Rose’s Zanpakuto, Kinshara, means “Golden Sal Tree” in Japanese.
Lisa’s Zanpakuto, Haguro Tonbo, means “Iron Drink Dragonfly” in Japanese.
And Hiyori’s Zanpakuto, Kubikiri Orochi, means “Beheading Serpent” in Japanese.
and now they're on TYBW 🎉
Exactly, uncensored bloody and blows there expectations and guesses out the water.
Have they reacted to the tybw trailer(s) before starting the recent series adaptation?
lol suraj that orihime impersonation was good at the end there
Harribel is a good being Despite Toshiro being a counter(controlling both Ice and water forms) if you notice she was stronger and easily keeping up with Bankai in base, and more after she was injured and with two vizards, she probably held back against seeing Toshiro a kid.
I just realized after rewatching bleach multiple times, the way aizen talks to baraggan in the flashback reminds me of those people who stop others in public to offer some goods/services that usually sound sketchy.
Szayelaporro Granz did had a flashback alongside Nnoitra's flashback in the past that he help him defeat Nelliel and do some research
After learning about Grimmjow, Ulquiorra, and Stark, I hope Navi finally understands what a well-written villian is like, instead of fawning over lame villains who are evil for evil's sake
There's nothing wrong with liking villains who are evil for evil sake. Aizen is a cool, etc and he's technically evil for evil sake. Some of the greatest villains don't necessarily need "deep" motivation. They just need to be threating, have presence in the plot, creating tension, etc. Frieza, Doflamingo, Orchimaru, and aizen.. They aren't lame at all lol.
@@awsomeboy360 I wasn't really talking about Aizen in particular. I actually think he's great. I agree with you that there are some villains who are evil for evil's sake that are really good, like the ones that you mentioned. I was talking more about Mahito from JJK, who Navi said was a really well-written villain, even though he's kind of flat and generic.
@@Condoriano474 oh yeah. Mahito is merely an effective villain but he's merely a means to an end. Navi overhypes him tooo much lol.
@@awsomeboy360mahito being evil doesn’t = not a good villian. You sound like the people who saw jjk s2 and came out of it saying ugh all spectacle fights no story. Season1 sets up mahito. The same season people cried ugh overhyped. Most didn’t pay attention. Mahito being built from all the negativity of humanity having said hate and envy and pure disgust pushed out as a patched up shell of a being that changes its soul to grotesque shapes while tormenting our hero. Idk what to tell people who go ugh bad villian. I’ll give you that people superficially like him for cool fights and taking out the cast and good voice acting but tons from his character to him not being the main villian and his fast growth as a human curse repoing how destructive he is vs disaster natural disaster curses is just nice writing. People downplay jjk like people used to bleach. It’s an annoying cycle just cause bleach or jjk doesn’t have a villian monologue as much as naruto their hopes and dreams etc. I guess s3/4 of jjk will spoon feed more of the villians motives and beliefs but I’m glad their is still a mystery to sukuna. Overall jjk doesn’t have the best villians in shonen but no one said ya gotta be best to be good. In fact jjk to me works by being a jack of most trades to a degree and focusing on action and speed. Just as one piece focuses on plot and worldbuilding over action. Everything has its vice. It’s all up to what you’re looking for I guess. People loved frieren and said it was the greatest series ever made but it’s cause it focused on things they value and made sure they realized what they were getting into aka slower melancholy stuff. I don’t know why maybe the delay but so many got sold on jjk and thought the climax of an arch would have more slice of life breathing room 😢.
@@awsomeboy360Aizen ain't evil though in fact you couldn't be more wrong about him.
Hachi is definitely one of the better vizards. He seems like he could become simply from his kido skills alone. I like how he used the opponent power against him
Omaeda is one of the faster litueants. He would have catch Soi fon.
Kisuke is going to find some way to break out of that barrier so Soi fon did that for nothing.
Rip Starkk, my man just wanted friends 😔
49:02 Well maybe if you hadn't skipped the Zanpakuto Rebellion Arc...
They don’t need to watch filler, the she’s going to appear eventually.
Harribel was a pretty underwhelming Espada for her ranking. Toshiro said that Vasto Lordes were stronger than Captain Class and yet he who’s not even among the strongest of Captains was able to get the better of a Vasto Lorde ARRANCAR. Even Ulquiorra seemed more impressive than her who’s ranked lower than her.
That doesn’t matter Toshiro’s power counters hers her power counters his you aren’t gonna make water stronger than water. You have to think of the context of what’s happening in the fight just because you think he’s weak doesn’t mean he is simple as.
Toshiro knows nothing
And No 1 and 2 littered died from battle so in his head there is no point in keeping her alive in his villainous head to get to the otr stage of the Plan.
❤ while Barragan wasn’t my fav espada I did really like his motivations and Aizen making him #2 like a fuck you to him lol stark broke my heart 😢 his backstory is so touching and he is such a cool character I wanted him to stay or be resurrected somehow!! Him and Kyoraku could have be friends I believe
nice Orihime at the end lol
and RIP Starrk, my favorite Espada
Interesting fun fact about Starkk. Kubo confirmed in an interview that Starkk was actually capable of releasing a second form, just like Ulqiorra. Imagine how terrifying he would have been if he had done that.
Okay, this has been debated forever. Look, I like Stark as a character. But Barragan was the more intense Espada. He felt insane, and he was way more difficult to beat. He honestly should have been ranked number #1. Barragan truly felt impossible to beat literally defeating himself lol. Though nevertheless, I like Stark. HE's a cool interesting Espada and never really felt like a badguy. Could have been in our side had the soul reapers met him first.
I just wish he went out in a way that more showed off his strength. I think Kubo wanted to establish how strong Shunsui was but the fact that he wasn't even pushed to use his Bankai just makes Stark look weak to the point people question his status as number 1.
The ranking is based on pure reiatsu not individual skill or ability.
@@ira233 I guess? But we all know if they fought Number 2 would absolutely kill number 1.
@@awsomeboy360
They're effective counters to each other's trumps, you could've even argue hard counters. Barragan can't shut down anything involving Starrk's soul much in the same way Starrk can't shut down Barragan's aging.
It would come down entirely to who can land the first decisive hit.
@@awsomeboy360 Probably true
Calling Rose Love ..ugh why am I surprised...
this man stark is one of my favorite espadas period
Shinigamis bankais are liked Super Saiyajin, a release form of the zanpakuto
Arrancars resurreción is like Frizas backwards transformations
Their real form is in the zanpakuto and by releasing, turns them into their original hollow forms but stronger over the shinigami base
1:06:14 I bet Lisa 100 percent doesn’t wear underwear 😂😂
It got Shunsui considering his Bankai along with help against Starrk refusing to go all out or even fight properly, depressed mentally broken, lol.
Aizen taking the field now. It just lets you skip that fight and get into what you’ve been waiting for
His 1st and 2nd just died. So whats the 3rd gonna do? So aizen just effed him to speed things up.
56:15- They forgot about Momo.
The whole thing with Lilinette's consciousness taking control of the wolves is anime only. Her disappearing like that when the wolves were destroyed, wasn't in the manga. Instead it seemed more like she and stark are fully fused together when the pistols disappeared and the wolves came out. Thus making them alone again. And then, after Stark was stabbed with Kageoni, it went straight into the Iro oni (color game). I don't know if the anime stuff between that was meant to be just some filler or an expansion to the fight.
Her sacrifice in the anime makes it a lot sadder, but it's also very weird that they would have this kamikaze attack, where one of them can be destroyed so easily. I don't think i like it.
Stark got the jogoat treatment of jjk without the help of ever clowning on the main cast like jogoat. Stark fights strong people loses and is called trash like jogoat. Hail the false jobbers we know Dee well. 😢
Starkk is the best
38:36 NOPE. That's Escalon AKA Shinji's Theme
49:02 If you want to meet her you gotta watch the zanpaktou rebellion arc you guys skipped.
Or they can tune into the new stuff! I realize this is a 3 month old post, but it just happens the video released for my lowly tier today, right in between the airing of the episodes that make this relevant haha
@@AzraelChaos Meh nothing wrong with experiencing the stuff before the war.
@verez5518 Of course! Just saying if they wanna maintain the non-filler viewing, they'll still get to see her.
No they don’t
@@verez5518also nothing wrong with filler material they want to skip.
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FINALLY!!! Damn 😤
well she was sacrifice after all right?
55:03 HE WAS #1!!!
Stark reminds me of kusakabe from jjk
Well fun fact even though you guys aren't going to have time for this because it doesn't look like a thousand year blood Wars ever going to go on hiatus. But there is a bleach Arc that is all centered around the soul Reaper swords getting physical form and the plot is basically the souls that are within the swords are trying to fight for their freedom from the swords and be treated like actual people
You'll see how strong Yami really is soon.
I really like this arc.
only ulquiora had the second form he was the strongest espada because of it, he only remained 6 because he didnt let anyone know that he had achieved that form
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48:05 how hard is it to pronounce shunsui 😅
You want to meet Shusui's sword, huh? Well there is a whole filler arc where they fight their sword spirts Hahaha
W Hachigen in the chat
Why would Aizen kill his #1 tho Chris? It makes sense to take out 3 after 1 and 2 are gone... She quite literally would have been killed in her fight same as her more powerful seniors were... She just got lucky her opponents took the time to argue before fighting seriously lol
Exactly
Stark was a wasted character, they should have made him unlock a second release at least, even when he died it still felt like he was holding back in a way because he didn’t really feel like fighting, or at least they should have kept him alive
Espada 1 and 2 died on top of that the last remaining espada (halibel) couldn´t even take out toshiro (at this point probably the weakest captain) even tho for the most part they fought 1 v 1...her performance is poor in his eyes and honestly understandable