Huge update! As of June 25th (2 days after this review) Sigma has announce the 2.0 firmware update which includes: - ProRes RAW over HDMI - Blackmagic RAW over HDMI (WHAAAAT!) - DCI 4K over HDMI - More frame rate options in HD and 4K - And more. This is a huge update which will help the FP a ton. Unfortunately there is still no log profile or plans for 10bit 4:2:2 internal recording. Once these updates are available I’ll revisit this camera in a new video!
Haha I came back here to tease you about posting 1 day before the new firmware came out... or maybe they listened to you and reacted super fast! 😄 p.s. the firmware is already available now. Yeah gutted to get no 10bit internal .mov with log and unfortunately they said they tried but for some technical reason could not implement log and do not believe they will be able to, very strange. I just installed and tested the 100fps HD 12bit raw and it's REALLY nice! Unfortunately no 4K50/60p though... even externally to BMD or ATOMOS recorder. Look forward to your next review of the fp 👍
What is the difference between file sizes between GH5 10bit 422 400mps vs BRaw vs ProRes 422? Thinking the Sigma FP is looking more tasty after this update
Stop whining about not having compressed RAW. Enough is enough. To add compressed RAW, the camera's processor needs to do a lot more conversion, and that drives up the HW spec, size, weight, and cost. The spec creep will kill the fp. All for what? So you save some money on external storage? A camera like this can easily last you 10 years, and right now, you can buy a 2TB external SSD for roughly $200. And it'll be even cheaper in the foreseeable future. So stop whining already. It's a part of the package, the nature of the beast.
7:57 I don't know, but the side by side sample, actually shows Sigma FP 8bit standard profile looks better than the Panasonic S1 10bit graded log. It looks sharper too.
I think the latest firmware is like 3.2 or something, and of course you can load it up with Blackmagic software. I think it is time for a new review, yes?
RAW can never be 4:2:2 if it's stored in a mosaic format like CinemaDNG, because no chromatic sub sampling has occurred to the image. It remains 4:4:4 until after the debayer. People often confuse the bayer sensel resolutions with chromatic sub sampling, and they simply are not the same. With a mosaic RAW at the end of the demosaicing process one will have a 4:4:4 color image and at that point those colors can get chromatically average to a lower chromatic resolution like 4:2:2 or 4:2:0.
@@papaattrams4077 The sensors are made of colored "pixels" that form a pattern. The pattern is called a mosaic. The most common color mosaic pattern is the bayer pattern, and while it is stored in gray values these values are actually Red, Green and Blue information. The bayer pattern consists of 1 red "pixel", 1 blue "pixel" and 2 green "pixels." Until that pattern is converted into a physical image using a process known as demosaicing every "pixel" retains full RGB potential despite any compression. The RGB bayer pattern must always be RGB demosaiced before it can be converted to a chromatic color space like YUV (Y= luminance, U & V = chrominance) where chromatic color compression can occur. Chromatic sub sampling (4:2:2) removes 1/2 of the chromatic colors from an image, but can only be done with chromatic color when luminance has been separated from the color information. Thus because this stores the RAW Bayered information, any initial image from it will always be 4:4:4 and can not be 4:2:2.
@@ClaudioDesideriFilms 4:4:4, 4:2:2 e 4:2:0 sono rapporti di campionamento cromatico. Sono utilizzati solo negli spazi cromatici in cui sono presenti dati di luminanza e crominanza separati per dirci quanti colori cromatici in meno ci sono rispetto alle informazioni sulla luminanza. Un pattern Bayer dei sensori è solitamente sotto forma di dati RGB e non di dati di luminanza e crominanza. Quindi l'uso dei rapporti di campionamento cromatico non può funzionare, perché non stiamo operando nello stesso spazio colore. Oltre a ciò, con i campioni RGB Bayer usano complessi algoritmi matematici demosaici per ricavare più colori, e non meno. Quindi, con un pattern del sensore Bayer finiamo sempre con l'equivalente RGB di un'immagine cromatica 4:4:4 e non avremo mai né 4:2:2 né 4:2:0 a meno che i dati del sensore RAW non siano demosaici e quindi convertiti in uno spazio cromatico.
You sound like you know what you speak of, and let's face it, unless you are shooting for a Cinema Release, who in the world is going to notice or care, when viewing online? Particularly on some handheld device!
It's kinda funny cuz its dynamic range is actually very mediocre. It just isn't in a log format initially. 12.5 stops is among the lowest of any cinema camera. It's still very cool though and beefy data rates + great color.
@@DrWNoLs a lot of that is marketing. CineD has tested the dynamic range of this camera vs black magic 4K/6k and it’s almost identical to 4K. I’m not sure how dynamic range compares to other cheaper cinema cams like Panasonic bgh1 or zcam but it’s pretty much on par w black magics cheapest options. Weighs half as much, has superior af w updates and it’s full frame vs micro 4/3 and super 35. Other than being a more recognized and accepted brand in production environments I don’t see huge benefit of doing black magic over sigma fp or fpl
@@upcloseoutdooradventures I don't know about that, 12.7 stops vs 11.8 with a signal to noise ratio of 2 on the pocket 4k vs FP makes perfect sense to me. 1 stop is a very big deal. The FP also has far less exposure tools and no log preview to my knowledge, which is a huge issue. The difference is far from marketing imo, and just a matter of practicality. Also with the pocket 4k it's more reassuring to know color space transforms will work as intended. With the FP you have to change the linear data to blackmagic design gamma, and that's not exactly the most professional option vs the company itself having it's own log (even via metadata in post, a Sigma official log would be nice).
@@DrWNoLs One way to have a Log preview is using the Atomos Ninja V, RAW signal from Sigma FP is converted in Panasonic V Log. It works great, I developed my own LUT and I always switch between the Atomos preview for monitoring the image and the internal monitoring for recording on SSD. I hope Sigma will find a way to develop some sort of Log, since they added EL Zone in the last firmware.
Bought one within the hour of watching this... then an hour later the fp L was announced! Lol. All good though because the pricing was already reduced and I wouldn’t want the L anyway. Don’t need autofocus, 61 MP and total loss of lowlight capability. For Cine fp original all the way.
9:05 More great content! May I very politely point out that there is no supported H264 profile that supports 10 bit. That codec tops out at 8 bit. The required codec for 10 bit color, H265, requires far greater CPU power for the encode, and also has an additional licensing fee. Unless the FP has a ton of extra processing power laying around, and Sigma wants to pay more per unit for the H265 license, I think the 10 bit H265 option is not feasible for them.
Coincidentally they fixed the Sigma fp with the upcoming Firmware 2.0. They will support Dual Native ISO, external Recording in ProRes RAW or BRAW 😍, Timecode Support for the Audiofile in Cinema DNG etc. They transformed that camera from an obscurity to a really interesting option for indie filmmakers.
Yeah man, I think it’s just a case of the wrong market. Nobody is asking for a point and shoot sized cinema camera. I think if Sigma would have made this camera more of a hybrid size like the BMPCC, or even focused on bringing a really affordable true cinema style camera to market, (think Kinefinity or Z cam) I think they would have faired much better. The most practical application for a small camera like this is mounting it on a drone. But the market that this camera is geared for isn’t going to be buying a drone without an onboard camera so that’s kind of a DOA idea as well
I think there's a ton of negativity surrounding this camera rn. I mean I get some of it but I'm still so interested in this camera. Great video Caleb! :D
Really good workflow a lot of fp owners are now using for cDNG clips we want to keep is converting direct from the SSD using software called SlimRaw, with lossless compression it more than halves the file size but retains full quality of the raw.
The FP can also be used as a USB Video Class (UVC) device; meaning it is recognized as a webcam when connected to a computer without the need for special software. I have one arriving tomorrow. I figure it’s nice for trips as I can stay connected without using the crappy built in MBP camera.
This is the most underrated camera on the market, if they revise it in the the future to USB 3.2 gen 2 it would seriously be the ultimate cine pocket cam. This thing could even be better than using a go-pro if someone makes a waterproof cage.
This camera is for a low budget indie filmmaker that fully intends to shoot RAW 12 bit. $1800 for a full frame 12bit cam is an incredible buy for digital cinema creators. I don’t think any other 12 bit full frame cams exist at this price point.
Cool. I had heard about the Sigma FP, both pros and cons, but not in such rich real-life detail. sounds pretty amazing and I love the dynamic range - and what you did with it. Looks absolutely cinematic. That price tag. I had no idea. I can totally see myself mount one of those along with an SSD on the side of a car and that sort of thing... external recording over USB-C is one of these game changers! If I'm not mistaken white balance becomes irrelevant when shooting RAW as it's really just a bit of metadata stored alongside the well... raw sensor output. So you can align it as part of your RAW processing. Might be a bit of reconciliation regarding the cumbersome menus. ;)
Thanks - fair review - We have owned so many cameras from Sony to RED to our main love - Canons - but this has made me excited once again to shoot ( NOTE we only do video and only do raw ) I just wanted something the size of my phone that had results to match our C200. This is it.
You need to post an update 2.0 video, Caleb. Test if the "no color profile" is usable for monitoring for shooting RAW. And if this is a "usable" alternative to LOG.
Yes, please, BRAW would be so great on this Camera. I bought it in November kinda speculating, that Log and something like BRAW would come per Firmware. Really risky to be honest, but i love the Idea to have a beast of a camera hat i can easilly carry around with me
I really enjoy the image I'm able to get out of mine, but I did indeed need to start learning Resolve to be able to make any headway with it. I did a dual fp camera interview recording... recorded for 27 minutes, ended up with a terabyte of cDNGs and it took 2 days for After Effects to process them into a ProRes file for me to edit in Premiere. So DEFINITELY Resolve is more than a recommendation. It's a must. 😅 Totally agree with you, a LOG profile with a LUT for monitoring would be ideal, and a compressed RAW format that doesn't result in thousands of image files would also be lovely!
The issue here is not the camera. The issue is the user. This is an all new system, new UI. Not the canon, nikon, lumix, sony UI standards we're used to and like any learning curve the process of learning can frustrate some understandably. And sigma is just getting started... I upgraded to the FP L with reservations of course but I was ready to deal with the learning curve. This camera is a gem. The dynamic range is insane. 9k DNG photos. 4k 12 bit DNG uncompressed data. But as artists we need what suits the project. So use what suits your needs. It could be any camera in the world.
Bauxite does that mean he is psycho now ... from trying to keep up to date with everything? Just like the changes in a lot of workplaces for most of us.. I am beginning to think that being a complete novice with any cams , and a senior, my new Sony as6400 will get to me pro level in next to no time.... with no onset of any psychosis. wheeee
Yeah that's what I thought... as an fp owner and supporter I was a bit worried by the title but his points were all very fair and great that he actually showed how to get the best from the cDNG in Resolve... I've seen a lot of people who don't realize that step of using BMD in the raw settings to maximize the dynamic range.
There is a *quasi* LOG with the new firmware, it's "Color Mode = OFF". Documentation is unclear, but it's legit. Thanks for the review! Biggest problem with MOV using this camera is there was previously no way to disable sharpening altogether, so the lack of AA filter caused nasty artifacts. Color Off fixed this, but it would be great to have some of the (lovely) color modes, just without the sharpening.
You might want to explore SlimRAW for an alternative workflow. SlimRAW will take an uncompressed DNG sequence and allow one to convert into a Compressed sequence with up to 12:1 compression. The reason no one can do this in camera is because of RED's Redcode patent which doesn't allow compression of ANY mosaic based RAW format in camera with out RED being involved.
@@TylerMcCool The patent will expire in, I believe, 2028; however, that is still a long way off, and honestly I think the patent should never have been issued in the first place, because all they did was extend what had already been happening with stills cameras and applied a frame rate minimum to it. This is why most still cameras can't acquire compressed raw frame sequences beyond 1 or 2 seconds at speeds above around 24fps. It's not that they couldn't, but they can't due to this patent, even though this was obviously going to happen with all cameras, and thus predictable which, again, should have made the patent invalid.
@@billyoung9538 agreed about the validity of the patent.. Even more disappointing was the Patent Office's denial to even bring it to court from Apple's challenge to the validity of the patent (this was about 2 years ago I think).
You could also use SlimRAW as a way to store CinemaDNG in multiple RAW compressions (like 3:1... etc) when you do DIT instead of storing uncompressed CinemaDNG RAW files which are ridiculously huge.
Its funny because if you put in the same situation the red and arri are a shit too cause the workflow, i think this camea seems to be great, because you have to compeare with real cinema cameras not with sony alpha ones. If you are filmming weddings or even documentaries this camera is nos for you but neither do a red or arri 🤷🏻♂️
Hey Caleb On the menu settings, I feel that the menu system is the easiest I've ever used it's just 4 pages but..... all you have to do is hit the secrete button to get you at the top menu again instead of scrolling thru ! Great video regards, Rick
This seems very reminiscent of the release of the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema camera, and how it just felt like a RAW sensor in a tiny, strpped body but with limitless potential. Still love my pocket even though I never use it and this has all the same crazy appeal!
Just discovered your channel and every video here is AWESOMEly helpful! Wish I'd found you before I bought my Sigma fp. But since I've got it now, I'm wondering how to find and purchase your set-up guide for it? I couldn't find it on your website...
Would be nice is he actually did a long term review. I’ve been watching RUclips videos shot with this camera and I have to say they are quite beautiful. I think I might get one. Also I heard they were coming out with log in the next update.
Awesome review! This camera needs BRAW and a Blackmagic menu and with that, it would be the perfect Gimbal Camera, literally the perfect Gimbal Camera!!!
@@flamixin It looks compressed because it was graded. Caleb should have graded it to looks as close as possible to the FP's 8-bit profile. Regardless of how it looks, the S1 will give you a lot more space to work...math doesn't lie, there's a huge difference between 4:2:0 8-bit and 4:2:2 10-bit :)
The standard profile from the Sigma FP seemed really sharp to me compared to the Panasonic S1. I didn't really think their standard look looked that bad.
Seems like a totally usable camera TBH. Having lots of expensive storage handy is common for any professional. The next model of it will be absolutley killer if they have a flip out screen, 4k 60fps, XLR ins, CFAST and better menu nav.
I kept on seeing your video thumbnail over and over again.... and had to have a look!!... I was interested in the BMPCC4K but now this is the one for me...much appreciated Thanks...Laurie
Crazy Comment of the Day • Sigma fp is the best full frame Webcam for the $$$ • that was the one feature I could not believe the Sigma fp has which is direct USB-C to PC as a webcam • this was something that happen before Canon & Panasonic came out with "Web Utility Apps" & a $2000 webcam who doesn't want that?!?
Figuring out the minutiae involved with picture profile settings will be the make or break for using this camera, especially professionally. There is limited online guidance (mostly on message boards) available, so it will be a matter of trial and error before finding the right one.
The image quality out of fp is just so great! Paired it with zeiss , voigtlander or leica lenses. And its really amazing. I shoot fp mainly with manual lenses, and quality and rendering i get i never want to go back to modern autofocus lenses like sigma , pana. Rendering is so different!
Totally agree. I do the same. Let’s not forget the Ext. TC in which allows you to shoot high quality off board audio. The metabones cine adapter C/Y to L is my go to: it holds the lenses well without movement on focusing. The POWRIG D-Tap battery replacement allows me to shoot for hours with mini V-Mounts. Love it.
I think Caleb is always fair and balanced but the images I’ve seen from this camera have always impressed me, so I checked out your recommendation. Wow, Masahiro has got some beautiful footage out of this camera... ruclips.net/video/Bw9jI7Z_5YE/видео.html
Very nice review! I wish to get one... some day. Amazing raw quality 🔥 And really only Spencer and you done reviews about this little beast of a full frame.
Maybe worth to redo the whole thing after he firmware update. For me this seems to be one of the few compact full frame cameras. Sadly there isn't any small L mount lens. I am looking for a stills camera that fits my pocket but I doubt this will be is. They should do a 11MP version for video only. I already own an OG BMPCC and this seems to be he 2nd gen which the 4K and 6K wasn't.
I'm aiming for Zcam E2 and sometime I hesitate with FP. Now, my path is clear. Bye FP, see you in the next upgraded models :S Thank you for review this camera out.
No one talks about it but this camera is perfect podcasting - streaming camera cause it allows you stream on Facebok Live, RUclipsLive, Zoom and other sites by just plugging in a USBC cable. This is a great option considering right now it is almost impossible to get a capture card
As always very unbiased honest review. I almost picked up one when I saw an incredible offer in Dubai ( selling new FP for usd 1300) but didn’t cuz of the bad reviews. Btw, I’m still waiting for ur fs700r experience, I understand it’s not a popular request but still hoping 😁 thanks mate
Cinema DNG Lossless RAW for DCI4K/30p is stated as 270MB/sec , from Blackmagic Design. Unless there is a different compression in Sigma's cDNG Lossless RAW , then Sigma should have like 42MB/sec less bitrate. Thank you for your informative video.
The small size probably limits the hardware, which means they can't do any compression on camera, so thats why H264 are limited and there is no compressed RAW. Its basically just dumping the data from the sensor to the storage, which doesn't need that much processing power.
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Huge update! As of June 25th (2 days after this review) Sigma has announce the 2.0 firmware update which includes:
- ProRes RAW over HDMI
- Blackmagic RAW over HDMI (WHAAAAT!)
- DCI 4K over HDMI
- More frame rate options in HD and 4K
- And more.
This is a huge update which will help the FP a ton. Unfortunately there is still no log profile or plans for 10bit 4:2:2 internal recording.
Once these updates are available I’ll revisit this camera in a new video!
Really cool update
Plss make another review after updating🙏🏻🙏🏻
Haha I came back here to tease you about posting 1 day before the new firmware came out... or maybe they listened to you and reacted super fast! 😄 p.s. the firmware is already available now. Yeah gutted to get no 10bit internal .mov with log and unfortunately they said they tried but for some technical reason could not implement log and do not believe they will be able to, very strange. I just installed and tested the 100fps HD 12bit raw and it's REALLY nice! Unfortunately no 4K50/60p though... even externally to BMD or ATOMOS recorder. Look forward to your next review of the fp 👍
I'm waiting for a new review !!!
What is the difference between file sizes between GH5 10bit 422 400mps vs BRaw vs ProRes 422? Thinking the Sigma FP is looking more tasty after this update
Stop whining about not having compressed RAW. Enough is enough. To add compressed RAW, the camera's processor needs to do a lot more conversion, and that drives up the HW spec, size, weight, and cost. The spec creep will kill the fp. All for what? So you save some money on external storage? A camera like this can easily last you 10 years, and right now, you can buy a 2TB external SSD for roughly $200. And it'll be even cheaper in the foreseeable future. So stop whining already. It's a part of the package, the nature of the beast.
This camera is hardly 'terrible.' You should revisit this camera now that there have been firmware updates. They've really improved it.
7:57 I don't know, but the side by side sample, actually shows Sigma FP 8bit standard profile looks better than the Panasonic S1 10bit graded log. It looks sharper too.
Lol I was looking at the same thing in disbelief 🥺🥺
😂I had to adjust my eyes because was like...did he intend to use this clip as something negative?
I think the latest firmware is like 3.2 or something, and of course you can load it up with Blackmagic software.
I think it is time for a new review, yes?
RAW can never be 4:2:2 if it's stored in a mosaic format like CinemaDNG, because no chromatic sub sampling has occurred to the image. It remains 4:4:4 until after the debayer. People often confuse the bayer sensel resolutions with chromatic sub sampling, and they simply are not the same. With a mosaic RAW at the end of the demosaicing process one will have a 4:4:4 color image and at that point those colors can get chromatically average to a lower chromatic resolution like 4:2:2 or 4:2:0.
Please explain further in simple english
@@papaattrams4077 The sensors are made of colored "pixels" that form a pattern. The pattern is called a mosaic. The most common color mosaic pattern is the bayer pattern, and while it is stored in gray values these values are actually Red, Green and Blue information. The bayer pattern consists of 1 red "pixel", 1 blue "pixel" and 2 green "pixels." Until that pattern is converted into a physical image using a process known as demosaicing every "pixel" retains full RGB potential despite any compression. The RGB bayer pattern must always be RGB demosaiced before it can be converted to a chromatic color space like YUV (Y= luminance, U & V = chrominance) where chromatic color compression can occur. Chromatic sub sampling (4:2:2) removes 1/2 of the chromatic colors from an image, but can only be done with chromatic color when luminance has been separated from the color information. Thus because this stores the RAW Bayered information, any initial image from it will always be 4:4:4 and can not be 4:2:2.
@@billyoung9538 Cool. Now please explain further in simple italian please
@@ClaudioDesideriFilms 4:4:4, 4:2:2 e 4:2:0 sono rapporti di campionamento cromatico. Sono utilizzati solo negli spazi cromatici in cui sono presenti dati di luminanza e crominanza separati per dirci quanti colori cromatici in meno ci sono rispetto alle informazioni sulla luminanza. Un pattern Bayer dei sensori è solitamente sotto forma di dati RGB e non di dati di luminanza e crominanza. Quindi l'uso dei rapporti di campionamento cromatico non può funzionare, perché non stiamo operando nello stesso spazio colore. Oltre a ciò, con i campioni RGB Bayer usano complessi algoritmi matematici demosaici per ricavare più colori, e non meno. Quindi, con un pattern del sensore Bayer finiamo sempre con l'equivalente RGB di un'immagine cromatica 4:4:4 e non avremo mai né 4:2:2 né 4:2:0 a meno che i dati del sensore RAW non siano demosaici e quindi convertiti in uno spazio cromatico.
You sound like you know what you speak of, and let's face it, unless you are shooting for a Cinema Release, who in the world is going to notice or care, when viewing online?
Particularly on some handheld device!
That uncompressed RAW thing has to be annoying, but damn that's some extreme dynamic range, loved it
try out SlimRaw Software
It's kinda funny cuz its dynamic range is actually very mediocre. It just isn't in a log format initially. 12.5 stops is among the lowest of any cinema camera. It's still very cool though and beefy data rates + great color.
@@DrWNoLs a lot of that is marketing. CineD has tested the dynamic range of this camera vs black magic 4K/6k and it’s almost identical to 4K. I’m not sure how dynamic range compares to other cheaper cinema cams like Panasonic bgh1 or zcam but it’s pretty much on par w black magics cheapest options. Weighs half as much, has superior af w updates and it’s full frame vs micro 4/3 and super 35. Other than being a more recognized and accepted brand in production environments I don’t see huge benefit of doing black magic over sigma fp or fpl
@@upcloseoutdooradventures I don't know about that, 12.7 stops vs 11.8 with a signal to noise ratio of 2 on the pocket 4k vs FP makes perfect sense to me. 1 stop is a very big deal. The FP also has far less exposure tools and no log preview to my knowledge, which is a huge issue. The difference is far from marketing imo, and just a matter of practicality. Also with the pocket 4k it's more reassuring to know color space transforms will work as intended. With the FP you have to change the linear data to blackmagic design gamma, and that's not exactly the most professional option vs the company itself having it's own log (even via metadata in post, a Sigma official log would be nice).
@@DrWNoLs One way to have a Log preview is using the Atomos Ninja V, RAW signal from Sigma FP is converted in Panasonic V Log. It works great, I developed my own LUT and I always switch between the Atomos preview for monitoring the image and the internal monitoring for recording on SSD. I hope Sigma will find a way to develop some sort of Log, since they added EL Zone in the last firmware.
Bought one within the hour of watching this...
then an hour later the fp L was announced!
Lol. All good though because the pricing was already reduced and I wouldn’t want the L anyway. Don’t need autofocus, 61 MP and total loss of lowlight capability. For Cine fp original all the way.
Save yourself a $1000! (CDN)
I got one and I gotta say I love it!
A great add to this camera is Slimraw software, were u can compress Uncoompress Raw CinemaDNG to lossless DNG 1/3 size files and the same quality.
About the menu, Sigma uses a Quick Select (QS) button for most quick to change settings. You really never have to go into the menu. 😂
9:05 More great content! May I very politely point out that there is no supported H264 profile that supports 10 bit. That codec tops out at 8 bit. The required codec for 10 bit color, H265, requires far greater CPU power for the encode, and also has an additional licensing fee. Unless the FP has a ton of extra processing power laying around, and Sigma wants to pay more per unit for the H265 license, I think the 10 bit H265 option is not feasible for them.
I feel you need to talk to Panasonic. I get 10-bit H264 footage out of my GH5 every day.
There are plenty of cameras that shoot 10-bit H.264. In fact, the H.264 standard supports up to 14-bit 4:4:4 using the Hi444PP profile.
Coincidentally they fixed the Sigma fp with the upcoming Firmware 2.0. They will support Dual Native ISO, external Recording in ProRes RAW or BRAW 😍, Timecode Support for the Audiofile in Cinema DNG etc. They transformed that camera from an obscurity to a really interesting option for indie filmmakers.
I’m really impressed by the highlight recovery at 4:05
Interesting as hell I was wondering why nobody else is really making videos about this camera
Yeah, this camera is so close to great but so far!
Caleb, thanks for all the great content on gear over the years man. You definitely have helped me out with my freelance career and my channel.
Yeah man, I think it’s just a case of the wrong market.
Nobody is asking for a point and shoot sized cinema camera. I think if Sigma would have made this camera more of a hybrid size like the BMPCC, or even focused on bringing a really affordable true cinema style camera to market, (think Kinefinity or Z cam) I think they would have faired much better.
The most practical application for a small camera like this is mounting it on a drone. But the market that this camera is geared for isn’t going to be buying a drone without an onboard camera so that’s kind of a DOA idea as well
All in all, it’s just a weird implementation of a cinema camera lol
I think there's a ton of negativity surrounding this camera rn. I mean I get some of it but I'm still so interested in this camera. Great video Caleb! :D
Despite the cons, I am *absolutely* picking this camera up. Thank you for the lovely, honest review!!:)
Thanks for the review, Caleb. You played a part in me buying the FP and selling my A7III. No regrets so far!
Hi there. Is it good for fast action and sports scenes?
The graded fp footage is really superior. I can see why you find promise with it. I hope they follow your suggestions. Great review!
Really good workflow a lot of fp owners are now using for cDNG clips we want to keep is converting direct from the SSD using software called SlimRaw, with lossless compression it more than halves the file size but retains full quality of the raw.
The FP can also be used as a USB Video Class (UVC) device; meaning it is recognized as a webcam when connected to a computer without the need for special software.
I have one arriving tomorrow. I figure it’s nice for trips as I can stay connected without using the crappy built in MBP camera.
Yeah, def the best option for a webcam.
This is the most underrated camera on the market, if they revise it in the
the future to USB 3.2 gen 2 it would seriously be the ultimate cine pocket cam. This thing could even be better than using a go-pro if someone makes a waterproof cage.
Sounds like either a Mark II or a firmware update could make this little guy P4K/6K contender. Definitely prefer the body style.
This camera is for a low budget indie filmmaker that fully intends to shoot RAW 12 bit. $1800 for a full frame 12bit cam is an incredible buy for digital cinema creators. I don’t think any other 12 bit full frame cams exist at this price point.
But the rolling shutter is abominable? How do you get around that?
Cool. I had heard about the Sigma FP, both pros and cons, but not in such rich real-life detail. sounds pretty amazing and I love the dynamic range - and what you did with it. Looks absolutely cinematic. That price tag. I had no idea. I can totally see myself mount one of those along with an SSD on the side of a car and that sort of thing... external recording over USB-C is one of these game changers!
If I'm not mistaken white balance becomes irrelevant when shooting RAW as it's really just a bit of metadata stored alongside the well... raw sensor output. So you can align it as part of your RAW processing. Might be a bit of reconciliation regarding the cumbersome menus. ;)
Thanks - fair review - We have owned so many cameras from Sony to RED to our main love - Canons - but this has made me excited once again to shoot ( NOTE we only do video and only do raw ) I just wanted something the size of my phone that had results to match our C200. This is it.
You need to post an update 2.0 video, Caleb. Test if the "no color profile" is usable for monitoring for shooting RAW. And if this is a "usable" alternative to LOG.
Yes, please, BRAW would be so great on this Camera. I bought it in November kinda speculating, that Log and something like BRAW would come per Firmware. Really risky to be honest, but i love the Idea to have a beast of a camera hat i can easilly carry around with me
Sigma teamed up with Atomos already for ProRes Raw.
SIGMA just added BlackMagic RAW with the Video Assist 12G connected...! ruclips.net/video/onsq3_ZKRX4/видео.html (likewise Atomos +prores)
Finally a review that's logical, informative and good. Thank you. Enjoy your channel.
I really enjoy the image I'm able to get out of mine, but I did indeed need to start learning Resolve to be able to make any headway with it. I did a dual fp camera interview recording... recorded for 27 minutes, ended up with a terabyte of cDNGs and it took 2 days for After Effects to process them into a ProRes file for me to edit in Premiere. So DEFINITELY Resolve is more than a recommendation. It's a must. 😅
Totally agree with you, a LOG profile with a LUT for monitoring would be ideal, and a compressed RAW format that doesn't result in thousands of image files would also be lovely!
The issue here is not the camera. The issue is the user. This is an all new system, new UI. Not the canon, nikon, lumix, sony UI standards we're used to and like any learning curve the process of learning can frustrate some understandably. And sigma is just getting started...
I upgraded to the FP L with reservations of course but I was ready to deal with the learning curve. This camera is a gem. The dynamic range is insane. 9k DNG photos. 4k 12 bit DNG uncompressed data. But as artists we need what suits the project. So use what suits your needs. It could be any camera in the world.
Finally someone dishing out the competition!!
I might switch to sigma because they are such a dedicated company.
Title: "this camera is terrible"
10:16: "this camera is amazing"
Bauxite does that mean he is psycho now ... from trying to keep up to date with everything? Just like the changes in a lot of workplaces for most of us.. I am beginning to think that being a complete novice with any cams , and a senior, my new Sony as6400 will get to me pro level in next to no time.... with no onset of any psychosis. wheeee
clickbait
Title : this camera is terrible, but I love it
You are the best camera/video tutorial channel that has ever existed,
btw, thanks for showing that extra aspect to editing it with DaVinci Resolve! This is the best through vid on this camera I've seen on here in months.
Yeah that's what I thought... as an fp owner and supporter I was a bit worried by the title but his points were all very fair and great that he actually showed how to get the best from the cDNG in Resolve... I've seen a lot of people who don't realize that step of using BMD in the raw settings to maximize the dynamic range.
There is a *quasi* LOG with the new firmware, it's "Color Mode = OFF". Documentation is unclear, but it's legit.
Thanks for the review!
Biggest problem with MOV using this camera is there was previously no way to disable sharpening altogether, so the lack of AA filter caused nasty artifacts. Color Off fixed this, but it would be great to have some of the (lovely) color modes, just without the sharpening.
You might want to explore SlimRAW for an alternative workflow. SlimRAW will take an uncompressed DNG sequence and allow one to convert into a Compressed sequence with up to 12:1 compression. The reason no one can do this in camera is because of RED's Redcode patent which doesn't allow compression of ANY mosaic based RAW format in camera with out RED being involved.
it makes me hope red goes out of business.. so we can all have compressed raw.. or maybe someone acquire them in the future.. a man can dream
@@TylerMcCool The patent will expire in, I believe, 2028; however, that is still a long way off, and honestly I think the patent should never have been issued in the first place, because all they did was extend what had already been happening with stills cameras and applied a frame rate minimum to it. This is why most still cameras can't acquire compressed raw frame sequences beyond 1 or 2 seconds at speeds above around 24fps. It's not that they couldn't, but they can't due to this patent, even though this was obviously going to happen with all cameras, and thus predictable which, again, should have made the patent invalid.
@@billyoung9538 agreed about the validity of the patent.. Even more disappointing was the Patent Office's denial to even bring it to court from Apple's challenge to the validity of the patent (this was about 2 years ago I think).
The raw image looks better than the graded version.
Huh. First time seeing this camera. Lots of potential with the fixes you mention.
12 Bit CinemaDNG Full RAW for $1500?!? That is a unicorn right there
Yup! To the point they raised the retail price to $1900. Still a great deal.
Re-review this please!
You could also use SlimRAW as a way to store CinemaDNG in multiple RAW compressions (like 3:1... etc) when you do DIT instead of storing uncompressed CinemaDNG RAW files which are ridiculously huge.
“I can’t recommend it for most people including myself.” 🤣🤣
Bro he didn’t even pause or anything. Just threw that out there 😂
The latest update makes it even more usable
😂😂😂
I would love to see what you think of firmware 4.0 especially the new false colour capabilities.
9:09 for real? The quality on the sigma is stunning, wow
I low-key thought my eyes were bad. I had this blown up on my tv and was so confused. Thought that quality looked fucking incredible but *shrug*
Its funny because if you put in the same situation the red and arri are a shit too cause the workflow, i think this camea seems to be great, because you have to compeare with real cinema cameras not with sony alpha ones. If you are filmming weddings or even documentaries this camera is nos for you but neither do a red or arri 🤷🏻♂️
Hey Caleb
On the menu settings,
I feel that the menu system is the easiest I've ever used
it's just 4 pages but.....
all you have to do is hit the secrete button to get you at the top menu again instead of scrolling thru !
Great video
regards, Rick
I bought this yesterday, worth every penny. At one point I felt guilty for buying this at a steal price. Sigma Fp is amazing!
have you revisited this camera yet ?
This seems very reminiscent of the release of the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema camera, and how it just felt like a RAW sensor in a tiny, strpped body but with limitless potential.
Still love my pocket even though I never use it and this has all the same crazy appeal!
This camera constantly peaks my curiosity
Hey Caleb, will you make a video course on the sigma fp after you’ve tested the new firmware?
those mirrorless with cumbersome menus are the right choice for stationary tripod cameras (set and forget), and for aerial filming with drones
Just discovered your channel and every video here is AWESOMEly helpful! Wish I'd found you before I bought my Sigma fp. But since I've got it now, I'm wondering how to find and purchase your set-up guide for it? I couldn't find it on your website...
Would be nice is he actually did a long term review. I’ve been watching RUclips videos shot with this camera and I have to say they are quite beautiful. I think I might get one. Also I heard they were coming out with log in the next update.
Can definitely see this being used for action/car shots in TV and film.
And they just introduced ProRes!
Awesome review! This camera needs BRAW and a Blackmagic menu and with that, it would be the perfect Gimbal Camera, literally the perfect Gimbal Camera!!!
Audacious Scoundrel yes
Rolling Shutter? Dynamic Range Stops?
They just posted this video with new f/w info, and here's a chart with the dynamic range + dual iso ruclips.net/video/onsq3_ZKRX4/видео.html
Hi there. how long would it go without over heating?
9:08 is it me or the FP shows better iq than the S1 in this comparison. Skin color looks more appealing and there is much more detail.
I was thinking the same thing. Says it looks like poo, but I think it looks better 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah. Agreed.s1 looks “compressed”.
it's a day and night difference, especially at 200%
@@flamixin It looks compressed because it was graded. Caleb should have graded it to looks as close as possible to the FP's 8-bit profile. Regardless of how it looks, the S1 will give you a lot more space to work...math doesn't lie, there's a huge difference between 4:2:0 8-bit and 4:2:2 10-bit :)
Astral'o Pithecus Yeah this is a good case that manual grading beaten by factory settings.
The standard profile from the Sigma FP seemed really sharp to me compared to the Panasonic S1. I didn't really think their standard look looked that bad.
8:00 I’m not videographer but in this compare the Sigma FP image on left looks better.
In this paticular situation, yes. but move into a more demanding scenario, it will be worse..
The magic of the 4K 1:1, one of the reasons I bought the FP instead of the S1 or any Sony full frame camera
Seems like a totally usable camera TBH. Having lots of expensive storage handy is common for any professional. The next model of it will be absolutley killer if they have a flip out screen, 4k 60fps, XLR ins, CFAST and better menu nav.
Yeah that would be awesome - the true "Pocket 4K"
I kept on seeing your video thumbnail over and over again.... and had to have a look!!... I was interested in the BMPCC4K but now this is the one for me...much appreciated Thanks...Laurie
You break things down so well man, Awesome video!
Thanks Joshua!
Small Tipp about the menu. With the top wheel you can switch directly to the next tab without fiddle around on the small wheel
I love that you added chapters!
Crazy Comment of the Day • Sigma fp is the best full frame Webcam for the $$$ • that was the one feature I could not believe the Sigma fp has which is direct USB-C to PC as a webcam • this was something that happen before Canon & Panasonic came out with "Web Utility Apps" & a $2000 webcam who doesn't want that?!?
Excited to see what updates come in the future, and future FP models as you mentioned. A lot of potential for this little guy!
I hope Panasonic will allow us to connect external SSD someday :)
Figuring out the minutiae involved with picture profile settings will be the make or break for using this camera, especially professionally. There is limited online guidance (mostly on message boards) available, so it will be a matter of trial and error before finding the right one.
"You could use this as a crash cam"
Shreck: like that's ever going to happen
4:55: - Highlight Recovery setting would be "Highlight Dignity" if Camera Conspiracies was on the Resolve team lol :)
can you make a comparison between them and the Blackmagic 6k?
I really like it.
Me too! Just wish it was more usable outside of shooting raw.
Far from terrible.
What is that handle/monitor mount you have at the start? The small rig is appealing.
The image quality out of fp is just so great! Paired it with zeiss , voigtlander or leica lenses. And its really amazing. I shoot fp mainly with manual lenses, and quality and rendering i get i never want to go back to modern autofocus lenses like sigma , pana. Rendering is so different!
Totally agree. I do the same. Let’s not forget the Ext. TC in which allows you to shoot high quality off board audio. The metabones cine adapter C/Y to L is my go to: it holds the lenses well without movement on focusing. The POWRIG D-Tap battery replacement allows me to shoot for hours with mini V-Mounts. Love it.
@@smallbrownfox594we need to see your camera setup :)
Maybe they'll release firmware for prores raw or something? That'll be so awesome
That is some unlucky timing Caleb! Still a good video and hooray for many of the fixes you suggested in the new firmware 2.0.
If y’all want to see just how nice this footage can look, check out Masahiro Sunohara. The footage he gets may be some of the best b roll on RUclips👏🏻
I think Caleb is always fair and balanced but the images I’ve seen from this camera have always impressed me, so I checked out your recommendation. Wow, Masahiro has got some beautiful footage out of this camera... ruclips.net/video/Bw9jI7Z_5YE/видео.html
It’d be amazing to see a comparison between this camera and the BMPCC4K
Very nice review! I wish to get one... some day. Amazing raw quality 🔥 And really only Spencer and you done reviews about this little beast of a full frame.
Maybe worth to redo the whole thing after he firmware update.
For me this seems to be one of the few compact full frame cameras. Sadly there isn't any small L mount lens. I am looking for a stills camera that fits my pocket but I doubt this will be is.
They should do a 11MP version for video only.
I already own an OG BMPCC and this seems to be he 2nd gen which the 4K and 6K wasn't.
OG BMPCC has more filmic image but Sigma is more versatile, full frame and takes amazing stills
haha your timing is always impeccable. right bfeore a big firwmare update :) like the bmpcc!
Great review! I know someone has mentioned it below - but it was great to see you review it with the new firmware 2.0
standart profile is great:) 08:01
I'm aiming for Zcam E2 and sometime I hesitate with FP. Now, my path is clear. Bye FP, see you in the next upgraded models :S
Thank you for review this camera out.
true bruh moment this dude finally makes the review : out
literally nobody :
sigma FP update firmware 2.0 : Hello there
On my phone the Sigma looked a lot better (clearer) than the Panasonic in what way was the Panasonic better?
Same here. Mb I’m missing smth.
🔥 Loving the setup Caleb!
Thanks Nate!!! Appreciate it brotha!
Came here after your new video with the smallest rig build!
No one talks about it but this camera is perfect podcasting - streaming camera cause it allows you stream on Facebok Live, RUclipsLive, Zoom and other sites by just plugging in a USBC cable. This is a great option considering right now it is almost impossible to get a capture card
As always very unbiased honest review. I almost picked up one when I saw an incredible offer in Dubai ( selling new FP for usd 1300) but didn’t cuz of the bad reviews. Btw, I’m still waiting for ur fs700r experience, I understand it’s not a popular request but still hoping 😁 thanks mate
That Sigma FP seems to have much more detail in UHD mode when compared with the S1, much sharper.
Cinema DNG Lossless RAW for DCI4K/30p is stated as 270MB/sec , from Blackmagic Design.
Unless there is a different compression in Sigma's cDNG Lossless RAW , then Sigma should have like 42MB/sec less bitrate.
Thank you for your informative video.
DSLR video shooter never disappoints ❤️
Firmware 2.0 dropped today covering most of the cons listed in this video. How's that for timing? I'm keen to have a play with this camera now.
The first real test. I love it.
The small size probably limits the hardware, which means they can't do any compression on camera, so thats why H264 are limited and there is no compressed RAW. Its basically just dumping the data from the sensor to the storage, which doesn't need that much processing power.
Please don't forget the continuation of this video with the new firmware update :D, and thanks for real your videos have helped me a lot