I'd add other aid. Starfleet is often shown helping solve some plague or disease outbreak on a federation world or trying to stop some global catastrophe like a meteor.
what do they do if a society is not so much interested in technology but more in self improvement in matters of the mind like menral dicipline, telejenesis perhaos even becoming pure energy like SG1 ancuents by ascending
@@EdricLysharae weapons tech my race must have all of it and also all defensive tech as only once we learn it all can we rise to our true goal to take over and turn the prime universe in to the true glory that is the TERRAN EMPIRE
7:55 That's almost one new planet per year, though! Think how long adding countries to the EU or similar institutions takes... the UFP is growing rapidly.
I would probably renounce my citizenship and hop the first ship for Ferengi space something about the federation turns my stomach it gets better in DS9 when you see that Humans are still humans but in TNG everyone felt so ... Gelded
Cosmic Landscape Ah yes “sensitivity” Sensitive enough to let entire planets and the people on them die because of legalistic bullshit if it doesn’t fit in with the cult of the prime directive and then trying to justify it as moral. Nothing disturbing and pretentious about that! such “ intellect” 🤣 but you’re right, I will have a wonderful day waiting for you to come up with a way to rationalize something as disturbing as that. I need a good laugh! 😂 so you have my appreciation for that! 😁
@Cosmic Landscape DS9 handled the issues and corruptive force of the federation really well! Especially on the way they treated the Marquis (Genocide),.the Changelings (Biological Warfare), the Romulans (Assassination/Espionage), Cardasians (Sanctions which starved millions)!! Federation has many flaws especially during the time frame of DS9 and Voyager and even Enterprise! The reality is the FEDERATION = COMMUNISM AND THE NOTIONS OF A FUTURE UTOPIA WITH NO PROLETARIAT OR BOURGEOISIE - DOESNT REALLY MEAN HUMAN NATURE IS MUCH DIFFERE T
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The Tribbles were exterminated by the Klingons. Worf explained about how the Empire sent out a huge fleet and obliterated the Tribble homeworld. Nothing but ashes, I'm afraid.
Starfleet has the extremely annoying habit of spreading their forces thin, which is why they keep saying, "We're the only ship in range." And outlying colonies don't really have the same luxuries that are on Earth. Remember when Jason Vigo complained about his colony's scarcity? Or Sisko's rant in support of the Maquis? That's assuming the colony doesn't get wiped out entirely from freak entities such as the Crystaline Entity or a super virus in The Deadly Years. I'd rather be a Federation citizen than a Romulan or Klingon or even a Bajorian citizen, but the Feds aren't as great as Star Trek insists upon.
Alex The Federation is, in effect, a colonialist imperial power similar to the other great powers. Just with the added feature of a flimsy pretense of not being an empire.
Dont forget though that many people didnt like this idea, half the episodes involved the Enterprise flying to some colony or world who either didnt like the Federation or had decided to leave earth to pursue an alternate way of life.
@@Knightwolf1994 Oh yeah, big time. Let's face it, humanity is inherently xenophobic and tribalistic. The only way we're ever getting a real forever peace is an alien invasion or other such cataclysmic species threatening event that strains the tyrants past capacity and they collapse, while the more sane countries band together against it. You have to remember, Roddenberry was at best a delusional socialist like George Orwell, and at worst an actual tankie Maoist communist before the internet was a thing. He's the kind of person who genuinely would say "the only reason there's not a one world government is religion, capitalism and the fascists" if he was honest. The realistic scenario genuinely is Mass Effect's style of interspecies galactic government where every single Citadel race can only teeth-grittingly tolerate each other on a broad scale, can barely ever cooperate unless something's coming that will wipe them all out, and aliens will ever only like each other on a personal, individual level. Earth is still divided, cultures are still a thing, religion refuses to die, and the only "unified government" is that no nation on Earth is trying to kill each other and cooperates when their interests align, along with now knowing disunity will get them all killed now that there's the threat of imperialistic, arguably fascistic aliens like the Turians or cartoonishly bloodthirsty warmongers like the Krogan. Star Trek is, and will never be realistic, and the harder you think about how it can work, the more you realize it doesn't, wouldn't and shouldn't, and you're probably putting in more effort thinking about it than the author did. Kind of like Harry Potter...
I would support joining the UFP wholeheartedly. I very much support integrated governance under the principle of subsidiarity. I therefore support a global, federal government for Earth. As an aside, I am subsequently strictly opposed to unitary states. Only federalism can sustain layered multiculturalism within a single governing structure. I truly believe a strong, global government is possible if strict federal principles are applied.
The best trait of the Federation is that the Federation doesn't force other planets, races, cultures to join the Federation. Another very good trait is that they have certain standards potential new members have to fulfill. I don't know if "The Cage" is part of the canon, if it is, trade and mutual corporation between the Federation and species which don't meet the requirements to join the UFP seems to be possible. Another reason to join the UFP is they're very positive attitude towards science and technology, which in the Star Trek universe has solved all material problems. (Some say today that we're too reliant on technology and there might a kernel of truth to it. But without technology the world would be much less hospitable and bearable for humans and our animals.) I wish the people on our world would have a more positive attitude towards technology instead of demonizing tech as being inherently unsustainable and driving climate change aka global warming. Instead passiveness and spirituality seem to rise, which won't help at all. Go Trek!
@@songyani3992 The good news is that those four years are nothing on a relative scale of civilization. Just think about where we were one hundred or even five hundred years ago, that's barely a blip geologically, much less in terms of space-related significance. And while that's considering we don't wipe ourselves out... we're probably better than cockroaches in our tenacity to survive. Granted, there are still legitimate concerns like easy resource depletion, hostiles finding us first or hurdles like our current understanding of physics, my pessimism finds it difficult to see us as a whole, failing the challenge.
Joe Marsh I don’t think so. Maybe. I don’t remember the episode very well, just that there was an isolationist, xenophobic half and a friendlier half, but it turned out that the friendlier half was doing something bad of something.
It is a requirement. The Kes were making a case for that requirement to be suspended for them, but their lack of global peace and stability proved that they were still too backwards for UFP membership, proving the wisdom of the rule.
Azraiel213 Eh, you may be right. I just remember Picard having misgivings about letting them in. I assumed that was because he thought there should be a rule, but I guess it could have been that he had misgivings about breaking the rule. Obviously, you remember it better than I do, so I will defer to you on this.
Brandon G I believe it, I just think it would still be interesting. I may be wrong, though, and would be open to not getting it if there really isn’t enough content.
I've always wondered if different species are allowed to exist under Klingon rule like in the Federation...or if the Klingons just destroy everything on new planets they take over and then colonize with their own people.
RealityIsTheNow I think they do leave the population intact. In DS9, when the Klingons were invading Cardassian space, they needed to evacuate the Cardassian government, because the “old ways,” as Worf tells us, are that the Klingons go in, kill the local leadership and install a Klingon governor. Also, see what they (tried to) do with the Organians in TOS.
Okay, in the name of earth, I’m applying to join to the United federation of planets! Please! Would you please let me know, how we can continue/advance? Please 🤗
I agree that a unified (whatever 'unified' means) and peaceful world would be great, but the way they're doing it now by forcing diversity and multiculturalism on the nations isn't the way to go. I have the feeling that the world is further from unity and peace than before.
@@MarvinFalz We're all humans here, and all of us have several things in common. Unfortunately, one of those things involves fighting each other over what we _don't_ have in common. Imagine what we could do if we could set aside all of those arguments and grudges and work together for once, as a species. Imagine where we'd be right now. This isn't some pie-in-the-sky John Lennon idealism, either. This is the future of the human race at stake, right now. Either we become a world united, or we lose this world to the consequences of our shared vices, and _we don't have another one._
@@CharlesUrban I'm completely with you on what you've said. All I'm saying is, that my impression is, that the methods being used to unite the world are rather counterproductive, because of how the world in many regions, especially in the West is developing for the last three or so years. Imo for the world to become united, we humans need to overcome the old left-right paradigm and bridge the gap between the two.
@@psdaengr911 That would be the same sort of unity like 'united people of the earth against climate change' or 'united people of the earth against an alien invasion.' I've recently watched Kubrick's 2001 for the first time in my life and one message I've taken away from the movie is that the conditions on this planet are basically the same today as they were millions of years ago. Of course, we're no apes anymore, we've learned to be more peaceful, but reading through the news of the day, there's still a lot of war and fighting. In "A Taste of Armageddon" Kirk acknowledges that humans are killers, but he also says that we can learn to kill less, all it takes is to decide everyday not to kill. If I understand it correctly religious practices were once instituted for exactly that reason, which would also mean that humanity might have evolved a bit, when the masses who don't practice religion are peaceful.
Shiboline M'Ress - if it were a Democrat not Technocratic organisation - I would look but .... sounds strangely similar to world government and socialist utopia
@Ralph Macchiato - the ideals of communism are about growth together and mutual co-operation. Reality is very different. The EU has lofty ideas - but no democracy in reality. If UFP is anything like EU - it will fail eventually
@Ralph Macchiato As Paratech said, the EU maybe used to be that back when it was the Coal and steel community. At this point, EU is nothing but a hegemony of France/Germany (and used to be British) over the lesser countries (cough, races). It's sole goals for expansion are geopolitical, is a sphere of influence against Russia, United States and now China as well. Moving the battlefields from the Rhineland heartland into some undermench territories to the east. Unfortunately, the elites of the dominated countries find this acceptable, though less and less with every passing year, it seems.
The EU is exactly like the Federation, except the Federation is willing to accept people of different species, while the EU is still clingy to accept people of different races, like the Turks.
Siempre me sentí muy atraída por sus informes, Gracias a la federación de planetas por todo su apoyo al planeta tierra y a toda la vía láctea 💖🙏🌷 United Federation of Planets (Circa 2161)
"Suddenly the question seems very weighty doesn't it?" Honestly not really. For all its faults Earth joining an interplanetary federation would massively improve my quality of living
You're talking about it being in the alpha quadrant. Just to point out, Earth, Vulcan, Q'nos, Romulus etc, they're all in the Alpha quadrant, it's the smaller part such as Ferengi, Cardasia and Bajor that are in the Alpha quadrant.
Earth, Vulcan, Q'onos, Andoria, Romulus, are all in the Beta Quadrant. Though all the major powers have territory in both quadrants. The Federation has most of its space in the Alpha quadrant, while Romulus and Q'onos are mostly in the Beta Quadrant.
It's my one minor problem with that awesome scene. Literally the vast majority of humans have never had this supposed Federation drink native to one planet.
To the question of which alien superpower / alliance / empire would I join if the Federation was not an option....I would choose the Romulans. Why? As Ambassador Spock observed and stated, they are moving inexorably toward an adoption of a Vulcan style philosophy. It may take them a long time, but they will reach it. I could not choose Vulcan itself since it was a member of the not available Federation for this decision. While humanity and Vulcans have many differences and thus conflict, it was the Vulcans who were our first contact with an alien race, and aided / guided / controlled our early development as a warp-capable culture. While I'm sure the approach of Romulans to our early exploration of interstellar space would be very different (and was, according to cannon), that same cannon timeline brings us to a point after "Star Trek: Nemesis" where Captain Riker of the USS Titan leads negotiations to end hostilities between the Federation and the Romulan Star Empire. Call me an optimist, but I view the Romulans as a bit of a mirror of ourselves; possessing at the same time the military might and the passion that we do. As their culture moves away from passion and toward logic and reason (as Ambassador Spock believed they would), they would become a more stable and cooperative culture, far less war-like, a Vulcan like society, perhaps restructuring their influence in the quadrant and ceasing to be an "Empire" at all. I choose the Romulans (If the IFP were not an option) because I'm betting on their future, not their past or even their present - much the same driving hope that Gene Roddenberry held for humanity in his vision of our future.
Are you kidding? I'd jump at the chance to get off of this rock and learn all sorts of cool intergalactic things. The real question is this--once the aliens had gotten a good idea of what humanity is all about, would they let us leave the Sol system in the first place?
It's a simple question, just look at Earth's history and what centuries of seggregation between nations did to the little guy throughout history. Joining forces, making common objectives and deals would be the way to go, even if you or they are not willing to go all the way to federalize two different species. That's part of the message of Star Trek too, such ideas would be all the more important when it would be harder to empathise or to simply communicate.
If a group did join. How would the leave? Like can they just say we are done? The reason why I ask is if the Federation did something that wasn't popular or whatever. Then it should be kinda easy to just say we aren't at war but we also aren't apart of your group.
The Federation is quite incompetent. -The Galaxy Class Starships are prone to viruses that can even destroy the entire ship (USS Yamato) Apparently there isn't a honeypot protocol to insulate the ship's core systems, and they are supposed to be the best ships ever built. -The Fire Suppression System almost never works -No one knows how the holodeck works, it doesn't have an easily accessed off switch and artificial hologram people are actually capable of controlling or damaging the ship and the "outside" world. -The Ships are so poorly designed that they can be hijacked or crippled with a very small crew, (the Binars) or even one (Rogue Data) -Medical Technology does not seem to be very good as diseases seemingly easily spread (the Naked Now), and some medical personnel seem confounded by simple emergency procedures like using a splint to set a limb. Even one of the top surgeons was clueless as to how to fix Picard's heart...something that could be replaced in the 20th century. -Star Fleet Command was easily infiltrated by visually detectable brain bugs, almost bringing the Command to collapse -The Federation restricts trade, such as Romulan Ale -Simple animals such as Tribbles can endanger an entire ship -The Federation keeps children and non-Federation personnel on board their "science" vessels when those same vessels are frequently deployed to battle. -Communications are, apparently, a Federation monopoly -Earth doesn't seem to have advanced much as all, as homes can still catch fire and kill people -Replicator technology produces inferior foodstuffs, according to O'Brien who misses "real" food, Scotty, who laments the weakness of "Synthahol" and Troi being annoyed and bored at the "healthy" chocolate the replicator makes. -The Federation makes bad treaties, such as with the Cardassian, displacing the residents of several planets. Especially given that the Cardassians had repeatedly demonstrated they had no interest in peace. -They have no problem displacing many inhabitants of several worlds to satisfy a treaty with a hostile power, but can't properly negotiate a way to work with the few dozen Bakku in order to cultivate the life-preserving radiation that surrounds their planet. -Sponsored Scientists face little oversight and dangerous materials such as Proto-matter can be used without Starfleet supervision -"Mars Defense" is a pathetic joke. -The Federation has very little contact with the outside Galaxy as the Borg were a surprise when first encountered, despite Guinan and other refugees having known about them decades earlier. The Federation had little clue about the Ferengi until they bumped into each other. -Starfleet seems to gobble up resources as private vessels are rare, and almost always small, clunky, dirty and unreliable. -They can't decide on whether or not they actually use money -The prime directive is often abused, used inconsistently, and most worryingly, used as an excuse to allow entire civilizations to die. The excuse being that a non-aligned culture has the "right" to evolve on it's own, and yet if a civilization is facing impending doom, by definition it *can't* evolve any longer. Saving people who would be the only way to allow any further evolution, natural or not. I could go on and on.
[Looks at post]....I'll bite. -That Virus was Iconian, a computer program from the most advanced civilization in Galactic history. It wasn't even a malicious virus, it was just uploading itself into their hardware, presumably to run its own OS. -Romulan Ale? Trade Embargoes happen...plus it doesn't seem to be very good for you, everyone who has drank it that wasn't a Romulan looked like they wanted to die after. -Animals can always be a danger, especially when taken from their natural environment haphazardly. And Tribbles posed the same threat to a Klingon ship. -It doesn't matter where you put people, planets aren't any safer than starships. See TOS: "The Doomsday Machine" where several star systems were annihilated, Operation: Annihilate where brain parasites killed an entire colony, the episode with the space amoeba that ate star systems. In TNG the Borg scooped whole colonies off of planets, and then the Crystalline Entity came along to snack on people like Galactus. Even in real life a stray gamma ray burst or black hole passing through can wipe out all life. Post-TNG the Hobus Supernova wiped out life in a 500 light year stretch, including Romulus. At least the starship can run. -Chateau Picard burned down because jean-Luc's brother Robert was a luddite who hated technology and didn't have a fire suppression system installed in their old wooden house. -The situation with the Maquis was stupid, but first those were Federation colonies, and second, I think they were pretty stupid for colonizing along the border of Cardassia while we were still at war with them. -Mars Defense got crushed because the Borg had assimilated Picard who knew absolutely everything about Earth's defenses. Of course they got stomped on. -Starfleet's entire point is to go out there and make contact with the Galaxy. How would they know about someone until they meet them, though they did know the Ferengi's name and were aware of their approximate technology level. It's interesting that Seven's parents went looking for the Borg though. I can imagine El-Aurian refugees didn't want to talk about it and were glad to have escaped. If they didn't have advanced warp drive it may have taken them decades to escape the Borg, but El-Aurians live so long that that may have been perfectly acceptable. -Cassidy Yates ship seemed to be in perfect working order, though it's rare to see civilian ships that approach the grandeur and style of a purpose built ship of the line. Compare an oil tanker to an Aircraft Carrier. -I think Earth is off money, but other civilizations use it as needed. -Outside universe, I think the writers got confused during the TNG era, and we know Roddenberry was deteriorating. Discovery opened up with them covertly saving a species, to be altruistic without actually impacting the species' culture, which I think is the true path. That said, even during TNG the characters would break the Prime Directive when push came to shove and a civilization was on the line.
That part about business opportunities is kinda tricky. That's cause, while private enterprise is allowed in the Federation, it is heavily implied that the amassing of riches is not. It is also kind of implied that most big businesses owners and independent traders (like Kivas Fajo) are not citizens of the federation. It is likely that resources are shared and accumulation is illegal.
It isn't that amassing wealth isn't allowed, Harry Mudd's father in law is filthy stinking rich, it's that humanity has evolved beyond getting rich being a primary motivator. Culturally people know longer define themselves by wealth, and poverty is non-existent. If a person is successful in business, they will likely get rich. That hasn't changed.
@@VuotoPneumaNN He does business outside Federation space...Harry isn't a great example as he's a criminal no matter where he goes. We don't actually know about his father in law one way or another.
More like accumulation of resources is meaningless. Amassing resources is only “valuable” when it has a finite amount and is not easy to get. For federation citizens there's basically only one thing that fits this: dilithium
I don’t think that the number listed includes affiliate members. (7,128 affiliates as of 2378.) From what I’ve seen it is also insanely easy to secede if you no longer wish to be a member.
Had you have knowledge of certain factors deliberately left out from common perception, or knowing about who are those that push globalism and their agenda, you would be far less enthusiastic.
If we had FTL and someone came up to us and said "Here's the keys to the kingdom for a host of other technologies you only have dreamt of" the answer is probably yes.
The risk you run of joining an organization like the Federation is shown pretty clearly in Stargate SG-1 with the Aschen Federation. For those unfamiliar with the series, Earth made contact with a (human) race called the Aschen, who allowed them to join their Federation. They provided lots of advanced technology, including medical advancements that effectively ended disease. However, one of the undocumented side effects of this medical technology was that over time, the fertility rate on Earth was drastically reduced. The Aschen were a civilization that conquered worlds with open arms and a smile. If you don't understand a given technology enough to create it, you don't understand it enough to keep it from being covertly used against you. It's like giving Internet access to people from the Middle Ages and expecting them to avoid malware and other electronic espionage.
Starfleet's technology isn't unique to each member planet; it's the same tech for all Federation members. It's not like humans are using Earth-developed tech while Benzites are using ships developed on Benzar. So at a certain level, the Federation (through Starfleet) does provide technology.
If you're a ST TNG fan, you'll probably like StarGate SG1 check it out. It was a really great show. And just like TNG it takes a season to really start to work well, even has a similar feel to TNG. That universe (stargate) has some interesting lore setting. Amanda Tapping is a cutie and Richard Dean Anderson is funny yet stoic as the lead. As with the Aschen storyline the show had a lot of great arcs.
The Aschen Confederation was also very reluctant to reveal any locations or any hard data about their worlds to outsiders. Understandable since stargates can be used to attack or invade planets once their stargate addresses are known, and the Aschen hadn't developed any kind of defense against this (like Earth's "iris" device). But an important difference in Star Trek ... non-members are able to visit any Federation world in range of their warp vessels, and potential/applicant members are often escorted to distant Federation worlds on Starfleet ships ... so it's quite easy for them to see for themselves what actual "on the ground" conditions are really like before joining.
@@redvenomweb At the same time many species progress along similar tech trees. Warp drive is usually the first FTL technology developed. Humans invented transporters on their own, though other species had their own. Vulcans had tractor beams before humans did, and everybody had already developed shields by the time the NX-01 launched. And Benzites might actually have their own ships still. Vulcans still fly their own ships.
@@dwavenminer simply put you can take some of the credits that WOULD be used by your navy and feed it back into your empires Investment's not to mention more or less assured trade rights (or with research federations increased research points) for example my empire (the Zerox common wealth which is a militarist monarchy (originally a warrior race) currently is more or less expansion focused but actually suffers from lack of research (not all empires are conductive to tech rushes unless you'd like to take aim at that nearest militant isolationist empire over there?) that being said I do have a Tech rushing empire (two actually one organic the other mechanical) the organic Sovereignty of Adnor is heavily devoted to research but is actually quite friendly with that warrior empire I mentioned before (it does help that they live on space stations though lol) but the Commonwealth would most likely Not join the federation of planets (as I said they are slightly expansionist) and sometimes does not play well with others
scientific relationship: you are 100 years ahead with technology but the last level with other bonuses allows you to build the whole world of the ring at once! Unification ... have weak bonuses but in such a federation it becomes much softer and often breaks the rivalry to absorb the galaxy into one coalition that will break the crisis without even noticing it, a trade alliance, incredible amounts of trade, special policy and can get involved like a union every type of empire in the game, military alliance, service and pointless collusion, the habit will fall apart after 50-100 years. HEGEMONY! conquer others, force or invite them as in the case of an ordinary federation and when you are not playing politics it pays to be a member rather than a leader. you can also make this alliance with 1 of your allied empires and then by force or peacefully vassal them all (I made myself a vassal, I formed a federation with another empire then chewed them out of the federation, I had a plan to conquer other empires for their good, but as I conquered 1 aggressive empire, the 8 remaining in my sector decided to join me with the skill of selling resources and the overwhelming power of the economy instead of simply greater: D) yes i created something like a dominium in a gentle version that fights as a last resort and doesn't even bombard the planets and i only use armies with minimal collateral damage.
lies the best thing to do in that is conquer all other races and force them to become prisoners with jobs and be used as fuel for the great fleets and to ensure my own people never have to do the jobs of the lower classes
Eh... Klingons, no. The Federation's arch nemesis turned frenemy has definitely been keeping up. They even managed to fully bring the Orions, Gorn and Ferasans into the fold. Romulans... only because a good chunk of the Star Empire was destroyed by the Hobus supernova and they're now in the middle of a multi-directional civil war where two of the four sides (Romulan Republic, Remans) have an alliance with both the Federation and Klingons and another (Tal'shiar) was in league with the Iconians. And even then, the imperial loyalists still manage to be a thorn in everyone's side.
The map he's referencing with the local powers is from the Star Trek Star Charts book. Excellent reference. That part of the map is only about 500 light years in diameter and is only really the core of Federation space.
Anyone from Europe feel like the tenets of the UFP are somewhat familiar? Well... Except for being able to reach out on your own to establish trade links with outside nations that is...
I wouldn't mind joining a huge interstellar federation. Whether or not the governments of the world would feel the same is an entirely different matter.
One of the few problems with the Warp Drive requirement is the fact that some alien races may only want have contact with other alien race for knowledge alone. There are a lot examples alien races who simply wanted help from the Federation. The Federation is willing to help any alien race as long as they requested the help. Some alien races do want to maintain their own independence. The Federation will respect any non-member's right to maintain their independence. A lot of non-warp alien races do have some degree of contact with the Federation. There are signs that there are other alien civilizations like the Federation in Star Trek. The First Federation is one example of the other Federation like civilizations.
I think it's a great idea to join. The different races of the galaxy united under one flag with the same values and in harmony. It kinda reminds me of a space EU :D
the United Federation of Planets isn't really harmonious, though. Starfleet alone is constantly trying to undermine or go over the heads of others and breaks agreements and it's own rules when they become inconvenient. Apparently becoming an admiral and sitting at a desk for too long turns you crazy, because it's always some Admiral who's doing this shit.
Funkuchen i find it very naive to think that such diffrent races with such diffrent histories and cultures could work together. it sounds nice and is something i would back where it would work, but even your example of the EU, formed from a group with a shared history and similar values has strife and disagreement in it. if we don't take the sheer variety of ideological positions and differing views as a purely human trait and apply it to every race, then i can't see it ever working. difference and multiculturalism is beneficial (and something i personally support) when looking for new ideas and for improving technology, economy and military, but lets not turn our heads away from the internal strife and disunity of purpose it brings.
The EU wishes it was the UFP. If the EU was as benevolent, efficient unintrusive and mutually beneficial to all parties as the UFP is you'd have to be mad or malicious to not want to join. Of course, the only worlds that don't join are too morally primitive to be offered membership in the first place, so there you go.
If the EU wasn't so corrupted, it would have been the first steps to a global mindset, however, history will note that the Europeans turned greedy and power hungry and messed it up for the planet,... I'm afraid your Federation has been ambushed by mainland European leaders. I don't know about you, but that kind of pisses me off, they have ruined the dreams of many for personal profit, at least they have a lot in common with the Ferengi,... We will get there eventually, many on the Terran homeworld aren't ready,... yet many of us are, Star Trek for life.
they work together because its in their best interest Humans and Andorrans two of the founding races of the federation nearly went to war all this is seen in Star trek enterprise, we are looking at this from our current state of development where racism and poverty and politics are always causing conflict these races have moved beyond that. to be honest I don't even see how Bajor got full membership with religious intolerance and unstable unified government
the galaxy map is not a little too small? it seemed to me that the federation, i.e. all other civilizations bordering on it, occupy x2 of the area shown here, unfortunately maps on the internet can be strange, for example a federation stretching across the entire Alpha quadrant, which would make it bordering on the Dominimum and the Klingconian empire would occupy half of the quadrant beta or where the territory of Borg is half of the galaxy and the federation and its neighbors occupy a ridiculously small area or even less likely where the federation, borg, dominium have the same size ... does anyone know a nice map that shows it well?
How does the UFP handle newly warp capable planets who refuse to join that are deep within UFP borders? One that may ally itself to formerly hostile empires that could be a base of operation if another war broke out and before that happened this planet trades with the other empire for better tech to be on par with UFP? Will they force said planet under their control after a war due to being in their borders or allow them to ally once again with their enemies?
I imagine that the UFP would probably allow it, but if the power they've allied with is in open hostilities against the Federation I picture all sorts inspections of cargo, spying and surveillance going on. After all, when a power involves itself in war with the Federation and is an actual threat, the prime directives don't seem to apply, see Dominion War, Klingon War etc. It's a situation I'd like to see them have to deal with.
They would respect that civilizations' sovereignty, but would likely make sure there were regular patrols of their border as well. But the Federation acknowledges that space is large, so as long as that civilization didn't try to take over an actual established Federation planet or holding they could likely do as they please. But if this planet decides to go to war with the Federation they'll likely find themselves against a rather large fleet of starships. Even with comparable tech, they won't have the numbers or experience.
What I don’t understand is who determined alpha beta gamma and delta quadrants. Not just that, but many species have remained undiscovered within the Milky Way galaxy. When they’re discovered, they immediately know how the Milky Way is separated.
that's just narrative convention that they don't spend 3/4 of the episode explaining the terms they use to every alien they meet. That's irrelevant to the story.
While I consider the Prime Directive to be a cruel and heartless policy, I think that if I was the leader of a unified planet and recently got the opportunity to join then I just might. It would certainly be better than being enslaved or conquered by one of the other great powers.
Personally I'd consider seeing if an "affiliate" status is possible (think a close alliance with benefits) - the Prime Directive being one of the reasons. Non-interference is generally a good policy but there are situations where it shouldn't be strictly enforced. The way 24th century Starfleet interprets it is way too strict and can easily result in major catch 22s, where even making a choice to begin with (or even not making a choice) is a violation of the prime directive. If you're fully in the UFP you're stuck with that rigid, self-defeating system, but if you're only closely aligned you don't necessarily have to deal with it.
I would have to investigate for 25 years. But in the meanwhile we can be good friends. But I would never surrender my or others individual right to defend myself. Includes the ability to walk away from Union or Alliance individually.
Well there's nothing against maintaining your own fleet. I would imagine integration and coordination with Starfleet would be set up. I think seceding from the Federation is easier than a state leaving the US or a country leaving the EU, though I feel like it would have just as complex a series of trade and citizenship questions to answer.
Bajor was a bad example for being accepted into the Federation. They were an affirmative action case and the Federation overlooked a few things with them. Even though they knew about warp, they really didn't have warp capability through their own doing. Their people were far from unified. They are very antagonistic. Their government was provisional and everyone disagreed in it. I think you get the point.
6:15 To be fair the only reason the enterprise is predominately human is because Kirk has about 200 pending sexual harrassment suits levied against him from various green blue and yellow alien species! It's developed a reputation.
I'd add other aid. Starfleet is often shown helping solve some plague or disease outbreak on a federation world or trying to stop some global catastrophe like a meteor.
Joining the Federation also gives you discounts when you buy computers and electronics from major computer manufacturers.
"when you *buy* " thats a thing of the past, in this bright future...
That's it! I'm in! You got me with just computers alone!
But they all run on a buggy, insecure OS. Just look at USS Yamato.
but what do if your society has the Romulans as a major trading partner, thou art screwed
what do they do if a society is not so much interested in technology but more in self improvement in matters of the mind like menral dicipline, telejenesis perhaos even becoming pure energy like SG1 ancuents by ascending
Could you imagine accessing Memory Alpha for the first time after joining UFP?
I wouldn't even know where to begin...
A.G.I Will be mans last invention
@@EdricLysharae weapons tech my race must have all of it and also all defensive tech as only once we learn it all can we rise to our true goal to take over and turn the prime universe in to the true glory that is the TERRAN EMPIRE
@@maxrander0101 Hello section 31, this comment right here.
I don’t mean this with a BIT of sarcasm: I can’t wait to see the don’t join video. I’m so biased toward starfleet! I want my foundations shaken!!
Section 31 would like to know your location.
7:55 That's almost one new planet per year, though! Think how long adding countries to the EU or similar institutions takes... the UFP is growing rapidly.
I would instantly become a federation citizen.
I would probably renounce my citizenship and hop the first ship for Ferengi space something about the federation turns my stomach it gets better in DS9 when you see that Humans are still humans but in TNG everyone felt so ... Gelded
Ghastly_Grinner same here, there’s something so unnervingly superficial, insincere, pretentious and smug about them.
Cosmic Landscape Ah yes “sensitivity” Sensitive enough to let entire planets and the people on them die because of legalistic bullshit if it doesn’t fit in with the cult of the prime directive and then trying to justify it as moral. Nothing disturbing and pretentious about that! such “ intellect” 🤣 but you’re right, I will have a wonderful day waiting for you to come up with a way to rationalize something as disturbing as that. I need a good laugh! 😂 so you have my appreciation for that! 😁
@Cosmic Landscape DS9 handled the issues and corruptive force of the federation really well! Especially on the way they treated the Marquis (Genocide),.the Changelings (Biological Warfare), the Romulans (Assassination/Espionage), Cardasians (Sanctions which starved millions)!!
Federation has many flaws especially during the time frame of DS9 and Voyager and even Enterprise!
The reality is the FEDERATION = COMMUNISM AND THE NOTIONS OF A FUTURE UTOPIA WITH NO PROLETARIAT OR BOURGEOISIE - DOESNT REALLY MEAN HUMAN NATURE IS MUCH DIFFERE T
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I'd rather join the Tribble alliance. No-one would see me coming!
So the Tribbles are Star Trek's version of the Spanish Inquisition? ;)
David Chipman yes, only funnier than John Cleese.
The Tribbles were exterminated by the Klingons. Worf explained about how the Empire sent out a huge fleet and obliterated the Tribble homeworld. Nothing but ashes, I'm afraid.
they were until Ben brought them back in that one Episode. what was it, Trials and Tribbles or something like that. lol
Ah shit I forgot about that.
Plus Starfleets got your back, unless your in an Oberth.
Axe Hammer Or a Manderian class
Starfleet has the extremely annoying habit of spreading their forces thin, which is why they keep saying, "We're the only ship in range." And outlying colonies don't really have the same luxuries that are on Earth. Remember when Jason Vigo complained about his colony's scarcity? Or Sisko's rant in support of the Maquis? That's assuming the colony doesn't get wiped out entirely from freak entities such as the Crystaline Entity or a super virus in The Deadly Years.
I'd rather be a Federation citizen than a Romulan or Klingon or even a Bajorian citizen, but the Feds aren't as great as Star Trek insists upon.
Alex The Federation is, in effect, a colonialist imperial power similar to the other great powers.
Just with the added feature of a flimsy pretense of not being an empire.
Can you do a Human cultural index?
Dont forget though that many people didnt like this idea, half the episodes involved the Enterprise flying to some colony or world who either didnt like the Federation or had decided to leave earth to pursue an alternate way of life.
And yet, many, MANY more are out there who obviously did, and do.
..half of them in starfleet, by now.
If those worlds lived in harmony with the Federation the Enterprise wouldn't have been sent in the first place
+Certifiably Ingame - Kudos for coming up with an interesting *and* relevant/topical video
It would be nice if we could get a United Earth. I know some people view the concept as scary. I view it as elemental.
It's not possible in the real world. There would be far too many corruption, it would turn into absolute horror and eventually all out world war.
It sure SOUNDS nice but we are seeing how well it’s attempts in practice have been going. Never say never but based on experience it’s a bad idea.
@@AiluridaeAureusSo basically we'd need a sovereign or "antichrist" to ensure humanity becomes unified.
@@Knightwolf1994 Oh yeah, big time. Let's face it, humanity is inherently xenophobic and tribalistic. The only way we're ever getting a real forever peace is an alien invasion or other such cataclysmic species threatening event that strains the tyrants past capacity and they collapse, while the more sane countries band together against it. You have to remember, Roddenberry was at best a delusional socialist like George Orwell, and at worst an actual tankie Maoist communist before the internet was a thing. He's the kind of person who genuinely would say "the only reason there's not a one world government is religion, capitalism and the fascists" if he was honest.
The realistic scenario genuinely is Mass Effect's style of interspecies galactic government where every single Citadel race can only teeth-grittingly tolerate each other on a broad scale, can barely ever cooperate unless something's coming that will wipe them all out, and aliens will ever only like each other on a personal, individual level. Earth is still divided, cultures are still a thing, religion refuses to die, and the only "unified government" is that no nation on Earth is trying to kill each other and cooperates when their interests align, along with now knowing disunity will get them all killed now that there's the threat of imperialistic, arguably fascistic aliens like the Turians or cartoonishly bloodthirsty warmongers like the Krogan.
Star Trek is, and will never be realistic, and the harder you think about how it can work, the more you realize it doesn't, wouldn't and shouldn't, and you're probably putting in more effort thinking about it than the author did. Kind of like Harry Potter...
@@Knightwolf1994Wow, you ran way too far with the ball the wrong way.
Because friendship is magic.
Duh.
Friendship is also science. I'd love to know all about the latest breakthroughs in warp field dynamics.
Friendship is also culture. We can only guess at how other worlds would react to first contact with the ponies.
I would support joining the UFP wholeheartedly. I very much support integrated governance under the principle of subsidiarity. I therefore support a global, federal government for Earth. As an aside, I am subsequently strictly opposed to unitary states. Only federalism can sustain layered multiculturalism within a single governing structure. I truly believe a strong, global government is possible if strict federal principles are applied.
I think that's why the Enterprise series brought up the "humanity first" groups. That was an interesting angle.
The best trait of the Federation is that the Federation doesn't force other planets, races, cultures to join the Federation. Another very good trait is that they have certain standards potential new members have to fulfill. I don't know if "The Cage" is part of the canon, if it is, trade and mutual corporation between the Federation and species which don't meet the requirements to join the UFP seems to be possible. Another reason to join the UFP is they're very positive attitude towards science and technology, which in the Star Trek universe has solved all material problems. (Some say today that we're too reliant on technology and there might a kernel of truth to it. But without technology the world would be much less hospitable and bearable for humans and our animals.) I wish the people on our world would have a more positive attitude towards technology instead of demonizing tech as being inherently unsustainable and driving climate change aka global warming. Instead passiveness and spirituality seem to rise, which won't help at all. Go Trek!
4 years later your comment has become more and more relevant and despite me agreeing fully with it, is kinda sad especially with last part.
@@songyani3992 The good news is that those four years are nothing on a relative scale of civilization. Just think about where we were one hundred or even five hundred years ago, that's barely a blip geologically, much less in terms of space-related significance. And while that's considering we don't wipe ourselves out... we're probably better than cockroaches in our tenacity to survive.
Granted, there are still legitimate concerns like easy resource depletion, hostiles finding us first or hurdles like our current understanding of physics, my pessimism finds it difficult to see us as a whole, failing the challenge.
The Federation had me with the neat coffee mug :)
I don’t think a unified government is a requirement, as they were seriously considering bringing a non-unified, yet warp capable, species.
Were those the guys that mind-linked Picard and Crusher?
Joe Marsh I don’t think so. Maybe. I don’t remember the episode very well, just that there was an isolationist, xenophobic half and a friendlier half, but it turned out that the friendlier half was doing something bad of something.
It is a requirement. The Kes were making a case for that requirement to be suspended for them, but their lack of global peace and stability proved that they were still too backwards for UFP membership, proving the wisdom of the rule.
Azraiel213 Eh, you may be right. I just remember Picard having misgivings about letting them in. I assumed that was because he thought there should be a rule, but I guess it could have been that he had misgivings about breaking the rule. Obviously, you remember it better than I do, so I will defer to you on this.
they were considered but werent acepted due paranoid tendensies
after your done with the Federation can you do the Klingon Empire?
It would probably have to be less in-depth, but it would still be interesting. The Romulans would be good as well.
Beleive it or not there is far less out there on the Romulans
Brandon G I believe it, I just think it would still be interesting. I may be wrong, though, and would be open to not getting it if there really isn’t enough content.
I've always wondered if different species are allowed to exist under Klingon rule like in the Federation...or if the Klingons just destroy everything on new planets they take over and then colonize with their own people.
RealityIsTheNow I think they do leave the population intact. In DS9, when the Klingons were invading Cardassian space, they needed to evacuate the Cardassian government, because the “old ways,” as Worf tells us, are that the Klingons go in, kill the local leadership and install a Klingon governor. Also, see what they (tried to) do with the Organians in TOS.
Okay, in the name of earth, I’m applying to join to the United federation of planets! Please!
Would you please let me know, how we can continue/advance? Please 🤗
Great Video Rick! I'm looking forward to learning why reasons not to join now.
Excellent job loved this video and series! :)👍💯
3:58 I can hear this in my head, "MY SPACE CABBAGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
You have good taste in television.
The world could use a federation right now.
I agree that a unified (whatever 'unified' means) and peaceful world would be great, but the way they're doing it now by forcing diversity and multiculturalism on the nations isn't the way to go. I have the feeling that the world is further from unity and peace than before.
@@MarvinFalz We're all humans here, and all of us have several things in common. Unfortunately, one of those things involves fighting each other over what we _don't_ have in common. Imagine what we could do if we could set aside all of those arguments and grudges and work together for once, as a species. Imagine where we'd be right now. This isn't some pie-in-the-sky John Lennon idealism, either. This is the future of the human race at stake, right now. Either we become a world united, or we lose this world to the consequences of our shared vices, and _we don't have another one._
@@CharlesUrban I'm completely with you on what you've said. All I'm saying is, that my impression is, that the methods being used to unite the world are rather counterproductive, because of how the world in many regions, especially in the West is developing for the last three or so years. Imo for the world to become united, we humans need to overcome the old left-right paradigm and bridge the gap between the two.
@@MarvinFalz Unity could be achieved by exterminating any potentially competitive intelligence eg dolphins, whales.
@@psdaengr911 That would be the same sort of unity like 'united people of the earth against climate change' or 'united people of the earth against an alien invasion.' I've recently watched Kubrick's 2001 for the first time in my life and one message I've taken away from the movie is that the conditions on this planet are basically the same today as they were millions of years ago. Of course, we're no apes anymore, we've learned to be more peaceful, but reading through the news of the day, there's still a lot of war and fighting. In "A Taste of Armageddon" Kirk acknowledges that humans are killers, but he also says that we can learn to kill less, all it takes is to decide everyday not to kill. If I understand it correctly religious practices were once instituted for exactly that reason, which would also mean that humanity might have evolved a bit, when the masses who don't practice religion are peaceful.
In some ways the Federation reminds me of the EU.
Shiboline M'Ress - if it were a Democrat not Technocratic organisation - I would look but .... sounds strangely similar to world government and socialist utopia
@Ralph Macchiato - the ideals of communism are about growth together and mutual co-operation. Reality is very different.
The EU has lofty ideas - but no democracy in reality.
If UFP is anything like EU - it will fail eventually
@Ralph Macchiato As Paratech said, the EU maybe used to be that back when it was the Coal and steel community. At this point, EU is nothing but a hegemony of France/Germany (and used to be British) over the lesser countries (cough, races). It's sole goals for expansion are geopolitical, is a sphere of influence against Russia, United States and now China as well. Moving the battlefields from the Rhineland heartland into some undermench territories to the east. Unfortunately, the elites of the dominated countries find this acceptable, though less and less with every passing year, it seems.
The EU is exactly like the Federation, except the Federation is willing to accept people of different species, while the EU is still clingy to accept people of different races, like the Turks.
@Tesla-Effect 😄👍
Nice one. Thumbs up!
The Federation also has chocolate chip cookies with M & M's & cold milk 🍪🍶
Opinion: The power of the Federation is non economic approach to pure knowledge and stability true communication !
i would join up.
Siempre me sentí muy atraída por sus informes, Gracias a la federación de planetas por todo su apoyo al planeta tierra y a toda la vía láctea 💖🙏🌷
United Federation of Planets (Circa 2161)
"Suddenly the question seems very weighty doesn't it?" Honestly not really. For all its faults Earth joining an interplanetary federation would massively improve my quality of living
Well done on all these videos. Very insightful.
I will join if the Asari are one of those member races :D
You're talking about it being in the alpha quadrant.
Just to point out, Earth, Vulcan, Q'nos, Romulus etc, they're all in the Alpha quadrant, it's the smaller part such as Ferengi, Cardasia and Bajor that are in the Alpha quadrant.
Earth, Vulcan, Q'onos, Andoria, Romulus, are all in the Beta Quadrant. Though all the major powers have territory in both quadrants. The Federation has most of its space in the Alpha quadrant, while Romulus and Q'onos are mostly in the Beta Quadrant.
I would join Without thinking about it...
Root beer
Described as an Earth drink yet it doesn't exist outside of the USA. I drank it all the time in the states but never saw it again
Jalu3
Its cloying and bubbly, and happy.
Like the federation.
It's my one minor problem with that awesome scene. Literally the vast majority of humans have never had this supposed Federation drink native to one planet.
Love your videos!
To the question of which alien superpower / alliance / empire would I join if the Federation was not an option....I would choose the Romulans. Why? As Ambassador Spock observed and stated, they are moving inexorably toward an adoption of a Vulcan style philosophy. It may take them a long time, but they will reach it. I could not choose Vulcan itself since it was a member of the not available Federation for this decision. While humanity and Vulcans have many differences and thus conflict, it was the Vulcans who were our first contact with an alien race, and aided / guided / controlled our early development as a warp-capable culture. While I'm sure the approach of Romulans to our early exploration of interstellar space would be very different (and was, according to cannon), that same cannon timeline brings us to a point after "Star Trek: Nemesis" where Captain Riker of the USS Titan leads negotiations to end hostilities between the Federation and the Romulan Star Empire. Call me an optimist, but I view the Romulans as a bit of a mirror of ourselves; possessing at the same time the military might and the passion that we do. As their culture moves away from passion and toward logic and reason (as Ambassador Spock believed they would), they would become a more stable and cooperative culture, far less war-like, a Vulcan like society, perhaps restructuring their influence in the quadrant and ceasing to be an "Empire" at all. I choose the Romulans (If the IFP were not an option) because I'm betting on their future, not their past or even their present - much the same driving hope that Gene Roddenberry held for humanity in his vision of our future.
The only real problems with the Romulans is that they're species supremacists and they have a substantially overpowered secret police.
We've seen never a non-Romulan Romulan citizen. You'd be stuck on your home planet.
Are you kidding? I'd jump at the chance to get off of this rock and learn all sorts of cool intergalactic things. The real question is this--once the aliens had gotten a good idea of what humanity is all about, would they let us leave the Sol system in the first place?
It's a simple question, just look at Earth's history and what centuries of seggregation between nations did to the little guy throughout history. Joining forces, making common objectives and deals would be the way to go, even if you or they are not willing to go all the way to federalize two different species. That's part of the message of Star Trek too, such ideas would be all the more important when it would be harder to empathise or to simply communicate.
Yet the Klingon Empire is much larger...
If a group did join. How would the leave? Like can they just say we are done?
The reason why I ask is if the Federation did something that wasn't popular or whatever. Then it should be kinda easy to just say we aren't at war but we also aren't apart of your group.
Secession vote. The Federation isn't going to just force a planet to stay. It's a waste of energy.
Clearly the Terran Empire is a much better option for Earth.
Yes.
Mephistopheles Make the alpha quadrant great again.
When was the Alpha Quadrant ever great?
Mephistopheles Last Christmas I think.
I thought it was when they held the Marqui-ist Witch Trials in hunt of Anti-Federationist artists and film makers.
The Federation is quite incompetent.
-The Galaxy Class Starships are prone to viruses that can even destroy the entire ship (USS Yamato) Apparently there isn't a honeypot protocol to insulate the ship's core systems, and they are supposed to be the best ships ever built.
-The Fire Suppression System almost never works
-No one knows how the holodeck works, it doesn't have an easily accessed off switch and artificial hologram people are actually capable of controlling or damaging the ship and the "outside" world.
-The Ships are so poorly designed that they can be hijacked or crippled with a very small crew, (the Binars) or even one (Rogue Data)
-Medical Technology does not seem to be very good as diseases seemingly easily spread (the Naked Now), and some medical personnel seem confounded by simple emergency procedures like using a splint to set a limb. Even one of the top surgeons was clueless as to how to fix Picard's heart...something that could be replaced in the 20th century.
-Star Fleet Command was easily infiltrated by visually detectable brain bugs, almost bringing the Command to collapse
-The Federation restricts trade, such as Romulan Ale
-Simple animals such as Tribbles can endanger an entire ship
-The Federation keeps children and non-Federation personnel on board their "science" vessels when those same vessels are frequently deployed to battle.
-Communications are, apparently, a Federation monopoly
-Earth doesn't seem to have advanced much as all, as homes can still catch fire and kill people
-Replicator technology produces inferior foodstuffs, according to O'Brien who misses "real" food, Scotty, who laments the weakness of "Synthahol" and Troi being annoyed and bored at the "healthy" chocolate the replicator makes.
-The Federation makes bad treaties, such as with the Cardassian, displacing the residents of several planets. Especially given that the Cardassians had repeatedly demonstrated they had no interest in peace.
-They have no problem displacing many inhabitants of several worlds to satisfy a treaty with a hostile power, but can't properly negotiate a way to work with the few dozen Bakku in order to cultivate the life-preserving radiation that surrounds their planet.
-Sponsored Scientists face little oversight and dangerous materials such as Proto-matter can be used without Starfleet supervision
-"Mars Defense" is a pathetic joke.
-The Federation has very little contact with the outside Galaxy as the Borg were a surprise when first encountered, despite Guinan and other refugees having known about them decades earlier. The Federation had little clue about the Ferengi until they bumped into each other.
-Starfleet seems to gobble up resources as private vessels are rare, and almost always small, clunky, dirty and unreliable.
-They can't decide on whether or not they actually use money
-The prime directive is often abused, used inconsistently, and most worryingly, used as an excuse to allow entire civilizations to die. The excuse being that a non-aligned culture has the "right" to evolve on it's own, and yet if a civilization is facing impending doom, by definition it *can't* evolve any longer. Saving people who would be the only way to allow any further evolution, natural or not.
I could go on and on.
Welcome to the goose stepping fascist utopia Roddenberry begged us to move towards.
Ah yes, the mars "defense" perimeter
[Looks at post]....I'll bite.
-That Virus was Iconian, a computer program from the most advanced civilization in Galactic history. It wasn't even a malicious virus, it was just uploading itself into their hardware, presumably to run its own OS.
-Romulan Ale? Trade Embargoes happen...plus it doesn't seem to be very good for you, everyone who has drank it that wasn't a Romulan looked like they wanted to die after.
-Animals can always be a danger, especially when taken from their natural environment haphazardly. And Tribbles posed the same threat to a Klingon ship.
-It doesn't matter where you put people, planets aren't any safer than starships. See TOS: "The Doomsday Machine" where several star systems were annihilated, Operation: Annihilate where brain parasites killed an entire colony, the episode with the space amoeba that ate star systems. In TNG the Borg scooped whole colonies off of planets, and then the Crystalline Entity came along to snack on people like Galactus. Even in real life a stray gamma ray burst or black hole passing through can wipe out all life. Post-TNG the Hobus Supernova wiped out life in a 500 light year stretch, including Romulus. At least the starship can run.
-Chateau Picard burned down because jean-Luc's brother Robert was a luddite who hated technology and didn't have a fire suppression system installed in their old wooden house.
-The situation with the Maquis was stupid, but first those were Federation colonies, and second, I think they were pretty stupid for colonizing along the border of Cardassia while we were still at war with them.
-Mars Defense got crushed because the Borg had assimilated Picard who knew absolutely everything about Earth's defenses. Of course they got stomped on.
-Starfleet's entire point is to go out there and make contact with the Galaxy. How would they know about someone until they meet them, though they did know the Ferengi's name and were aware of their approximate technology level. It's interesting that Seven's parents went looking for the Borg though. I can imagine El-Aurian refugees didn't want to talk about it and were glad to have escaped. If they didn't have advanced warp drive it may have taken them decades to escape the Borg, but El-Aurians live so long that that may have been perfectly acceptable.
-Cassidy Yates ship seemed to be in perfect working order, though it's rare to see civilian ships that approach the grandeur and style of a purpose built ship of the line. Compare an oil tanker to an Aircraft Carrier.
-I think Earth is off money, but other civilizations use it as needed.
-Outside universe, I think the writers got confused during the TNG era, and we know Roddenberry was deteriorating. Discovery opened up with them covertly saving a species, to be altruistic without actually impacting the species' culture, which I think is the true path. That said, even during TNG the characters would break the Prime Directive when push came to shove and a civilization was on the line.
I would love to see a culturele index on the primal Zerg ( Zerg) from star craft. As I recon that might be interesting
0:13 "GOD i sound like a insurance commercial" ROTFLOL
0:30 I kinda watched that one first...
That part about business opportunities is kinda tricky. That's cause, while private enterprise is allowed in the Federation, it is heavily implied that the amassing of riches is not. It is also kind of implied that most big businesses owners and independent traders (like Kivas Fajo) are not citizens of the federation.
It is likely that resources are shared and accumulation is illegal.
It isn't that amassing wealth isn't allowed, Harry Mudd's father in law is filthy stinking rich, it's that humanity has evolved beyond getting rich being a primary motivator. Culturally people know longer define themselves by wealth, and poverty is non-existent. If a person is successful in business, they will likely get rich. That hasn't changed.
@@3Rayfire Harry Mudd & Co do not live in Federation Space tho
@@VuotoPneumaNN He does business outside Federation space...Harry isn't a great example as he's a criminal no matter where he goes.
We don't actually know about his father in law one way or another.
More like accumulation of resources is meaningless. Amassing resources is only “valuable” when it has a finite amount and is not easy to get. For federation citizens there's basically only one thing that fits this: dilithium
Love your videos :)
I don’t think that the number listed includes affiliate members. (7,128 affiliates as of 2378.)
From what I’ve seen it is also insanely easy to secede if you no longer wish to be a member.
Yes I would
7:45 YES. WE NEED TOO UNITE AS ONE PLANET SO BAD.
your easily convinced.
@@captainpinky8307 am I wrong? After all, I'm stuck living in the Divided States Of Trumperica.
Had you have knowledge of certain factors deliberately left out from common perception, or knowing about who are those that push globalism and their agenda, you would be far less enthusiastic.
@@bsperoz nah, much rather be an American.
If we had FTL and someone came up to us and said "Here's the keys to the kingdom for a host of other technologies you only have dreamt of" the answer is probably yes.
Came here after watching The Templin Institute's video on the Borg on 5/10/2022.
The risk you run of joining an organization like the Federation is shown pretty clearly in Stargate SG-1 with the Aschen Federation.
For those unfamiliar with the series, Earth made contact with a (human) race called the Aschen, who allowed them to join their Federation. They provided lots of advanced technology, including medical advancements that effectively ended disease. However, one of the undocumented side effects of this medical technology was that over time, the fertility rate on Earth was drastically reduced. The Aschen were a civilization that conquered worlds with open arms and a smile.
If you don't understand a given technology enough to create it, you don't understand it enough to keep it from being covertly used against you. It's like giving Internet access to people from the Middle Ages and expecting them to avoid malware and other electronic espionage.
Starfleet's technology isn't unique to each member planet; it's the same tech for all Federation members. It's not like humans are using Earth-developed tech while Benzites are using ships developed on Benzar. So at a certain level, the Federation (through Starfleet) does provide technology.
If you're a ST TNG fan, you'll probably like StarGate SG1 check it out. It was a really great show. And just like TNG it takes a season to really start to work well, even has a similar feel to TNG. That universe (stargate) has some interesting lore setting. Amanda Tapping is a cutie and Richard Dean Anderson is funny yet stoic as the lead. As with the Aschen storyline the show had a lot of great arcs.
The Aschen Confederation was also very reluctant to reveal any locations or any hard data about their worlds to outsiders. Understandable since stargates can be used to attack or invade planets once their stargate addresses are known, and the Aschen hadn't developed any kind of defense against this (like Earth's "iris" device).
But an important difference in Star Trek ... non-members are able to visit any Federation world in range of their warp vessels, and potential/applicant members are often escorted to distant Federation worlds on Starfleet ships ... so it's quite easy for them to see for themselves what actual "on the ground" conditions are really like before joining.
@@redvenomweb At the same time many species progress along similar tech trees. Warp drive is usually the first FTL technology developed. Humans invented transporters on their own, though other species had their own. Vulcans had tractor beams before humans did, and everybody had already developed shields by the time the NX-01 launched.
And Benzites might actually have their own ships still. Vulcans still fly their own ships.
After 1,000 hours of playing Stellaris, I'm convinced that it's always better to _FORM_ a federation.
Bah, why do need a federation when you can tech rush...
@@dwavenminer simply put you can take some of the credits that WOULD be used by your navy and feed it back into your empires Investment's not to mention more or less assured trade rights (or with research federations increased research points) for example my empire (the Zerox common wealth which is a militarist monarchy (originally a warrior race) currently is more or less expansion focused but actually suffers from lack of research (not all empires are conductive to tech rushes unless you'd like to take aim at that nearest militant isolationist empire over there?) that being said I do have a Tech rushing empire (two actually one organic the other mechanical) the organic Sovereignty of Adnor is heavily devoted to research but is actually quite friendly with that warrior empire I mentioned before (it does help that they live on space stations though lol) but the Commonwealth would most likely Not join the federation of planets (as I said they are slightly expansionist) and sometimes does not play well with others
scientific relationship: you are 100 years ahead with technology but the last level with other bonuses allows you to build the whole world of the ring at once! Unification ... have weak bonuses but in such a federation it becomes much softer and often breaks the rivalry to absorb the galaxy into one coalition that will break the crisis without even noticing it, a trade alliance, incredible amounts of trade, special policy and can get involved like a union every type of empire in the game, military alliance, service and pointless collusion, the habit will fall apart after 50-100 years. HEGEMONY! conquer others, force or invite them as in the case of an ordinary federation and when you are not playing politics it pays to be a member rather than a leader. you can also make this alliance with 1 of your allied empires and then by force or peacefully vassal them all (I made myself a vassal, I formed a federation with another empire then chewed them out of the federation, I had a plan to conquer other empires for their good, but as I conquered 1 aggressive empire, the 8 remaining in my sector decided to join me with the skill of selling resources and the overwhelming power of the economy instead of simply greater: D) yes i created something like a dominium in a gentle version that fights as a last resort and doesn't even bombard the planets and i only use armies with minimal collateral damage.
Stellaris needs to improve a lot that dlc
lies the best thing to do in that is conquer all other races and force them to become prisoners with jobs and be used as fuel for the great fleets and to ensure my own people never have to do the jobs of the lower classes
1:20 what the name of this episode??
I'd be all for it as well, it would be awesome.
by the 25th century the Federation is so powerful that the Klingons and the Romulans ceases to be an actual threat to its existence lol
Eh... Klingons, no. The Federation's arch nemesis turned frenemy has definitely been keeping up. They even managed to fully bring the Orions, Gorn and Ferasans into the fold.
Romulans... only because a good chunk of the Star Empire was destroyed by the Hobus supernova and they're now in the middle of a multi-directional civil war where two of the four sides (Romulan Republic, Remans) have an alliance with both the Federation and Klingons and another (Tal'shiar) was in league with the Iconians. And even then, the imperial loyalists still manage to be a thorn in everyone's side.
Kira was ready to goto war with Romulans for a Moon
Humanity needs to unite and to have allies in space to help us along would be a dream come true.
Rick what are your thoughts on the prime directive?
1:24 Which episode was that?
Aren't Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Delta quadrants a quarter of the galaxy each? The map at @4:45 makes the Alpha quadrant a bit small!!!!
The map he's referencing with the local powers is from the Star Trek Star Charts book. Excellent reference. That part of the map is only about 500 light years in diameter and is only really the core of Federation space.
Anyone from Europe feel like the tenets of the UFP are somewhat familiar? Well... Except for being able to reach out on your own to establish trade links with outside nations that is...
I wouldn't mind joining a huge interstellar federation. Whether or not the governments of the world would feel the same is an entirely different matter.
the only downside would be having your colony mysteriously destroyed by a swedish sounding army of bionic zombies
One of the few problems with the Warp Drive requirement is the fact that some alien races may only want have contact with other alien race for knowledge alone. There are a lot examples alien races who simply wanted help from the Federation. The Federation is willing to help any alien race as long as they requested the help. Some alien races do want to maintain their own independence. The Federation will respect any non-member's right to maintain their independence. A lot of non-warp alien races do have some degree of contact with the Federation. There are signs that there are other alien civilizations like the Federation in Star Trek. The First Federation is one example of the other Federation like civilizations.
*Join the Andorian Mining Consortium*
I will join up in the star fleet academy..be part of the universe community..
It's easy to love a Subaru.
You ever notice how the subaru emblem and the federation emblem look strikenly similar?1
0:00 - 0:14 Better start join United Federation Of Planets.
hey if its a good deal we should take it🖖🏽🖖🏽🖖🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽
I think it's a great idea to join. The different races of the galaxy united under one flag with the same values and in harmony. It kinda reminds me of a space EU :D
the United Federation of Planets isn't really harmonious, though. Starfleet alone is constantly trying to undermine or go over the heads of others and breaks agreements and it's own rules when they become inconvenient. Apparently becoming an admiral and sitting at a desk for too long turns you crazy, because it's always some Admiral who's doing this shit.
Funkuchen i find it very naive to think that such diffrent races with such diffrent histories and cultures could work together. it sounds nice and is something i would back where it would work, but even your example of the EU, formed from a group with a shared history and similar values has strife and disagreement in it. if we don't take the sheer variety of ideological positions and differing views as a purely human trait and apply it to every race, then i can't see it ever working. difference and multiculturalism is beneficial (and something i personally support) when looking for new ideas and for improving technology, economy and military, but lets not turn our heads away from the internal strife and disunity of purpose it brings.
The EU wishes it was the UFP. If the EU was as benevolent, efficient unintrusive and mutually beneficial to all parties as the UFP is you'd have to be mad or malicious to not want to join.
Of course, the only worlds that don't join are too morally primitive to be offered membership in the first place, so there you go.
If the EU wasn't so corrupted, it would have been the first steps to a global mindset, however, history will note that the Europeans turned greedy and power hungry and messed it up for the planet,... I'm afraid your Federation has been ambushed by mainland European leaders.
I don't know about you, but that kind of pisses me off, they have ruined the dreams of many for personal profit, at least they have a lot in common with the Ferengi,... We will get there eventually, many on the Terran homeworld aren't ready,... yet many of us are, Star Trek for life.
they work together because its in their best interest Humans and Andorrans two of the founding races of the federation nearly went to war all this is seen in Star trek enterprise, we are looking at this from our current state of development where racism and poverty and politics are always causing conflict these races have moved beyond that. to be honest I don't even see how Bajor got full membership with religious intolerance and unstable unified government
why join the Federation? easy they are the good guys
The federation has at least 3000 starships.
Ronald D. Moore the producer of TNG era Star Trek said Starfleet had around 30, 000 ships at the time.
🌎🌑🌕UFP # 1 !!!!!!!
I will be glad to join the federation and become a Starfleet officer. Just think of how cool it would be to fly around in a starship.
I find the number of member races mirroring the approximate number of human countries to be a non coincidence :)
Also gov run news networks
the galaxy map is not a little too small? it seemed to me that the federation, i.e. all other civilizations bordering on it, occupy x2 of the area shown here, unfortunately maps on the internet can be strange, for example a federation stretching across the entire Alpha quadrant, which would make it bordering on the Dominimum and the Klingconian empire would occupy half of the quadrant beta or where the territory of Borg is half of the galaxy and the federation and its neighbors occupy a ridiculously small area or even less likely where the federation, borg, dominium have the same size ... does anyone know a nice map that shows it well?
4:43 since when in the federation, Klingons ect that small
How does the UFP handle newly warp capable planets who refuse to join that are deep within UFP borders? One that may ally itself to formerly hostile empires that could be a base of operation if another war broke out and before that happened this planet trades with the other empire for better tech to be on par with UFP? Will they force said planet under their control after a war due to being in their borders or allow them to ally once again with their enemies?
I imagine that the UFP would probably allow it, but if the power they've allied with is in open hostilities against the Federation I picture all sorts inspections of cargo, spying and surveillance going on. After all, when a power involves itself in war with the Federation and is an actual threat, the prime directives don't seem to apply, see Dominion War, Klingon War etc. It's a situation I'd like to see them have to deal with.
They would respect that civilizations' sovereignty, but would likely make sure there were regular patrols of their border as well. But the Federation acknowledges that space is large, so as long as that civilization didn't try to take over an actual established Federation planet or holding they could likely do as they please.
But if this planet decides to go to war with the Federation they'll likely find themselves against a rather large fleet of starships. Even with comparable tech, they won't have the numbers or experience.
Join the Federation!
What I don’t understand is who determined alpha beta gamma and delta quadrants. Not just that, but many species have remained undiscovered within the Milky Way galaxy. When they’re discovered, they immediately know how the Milky Way is separated.
I choose to believe that's just a gratuity taken by the universal translator. It was most blatant in Voyager.
Likely just a map maker's conceit, just like Earth being on the border of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants.
that's just narrative convention that they don't spend 3/4 of the episode explaining the terms they use to every alien they meet. That's irrelevant to the story.
Okey, okay. You won me over. I want to join the Federation. I want to be the captain of a Federation starship.
While I consider the Prime Directive to be a cruel and heartless policy, I think that if I was the leader of a unified planet and recently got the opportunity to join then I just might. It would certainly be better than being enslaved or conquered by one of the other great powers.
Personally I'd consider seeing if an "affiliate" status is possible (think a close alliance with benefits) - the Prime Directive being one of the reasons. Non-interference is generally a good policy but there are situations where it shouldn't be strictly enforced. The way 24th century Starfleet interprets it is way too strict and can easily result in major catch 22s, where even making a choice to begin with (or even not making a choice) is a violation of the prime directive. If you're fully in the UFP you're stuck with that rigid, self-defeating system, but if you're only closely aligned you don't necessarily have to deal with it.
Man this all would be so awesome jeez we need to hurry up and get our shit together so we can make this all happen!!!!!!
Also with the resources in sol we can produce at least 10,000 space warships
I need that for my space cabige lol 😂
Of course i would join! I also want my country to join the EU :)
Long live the United Federation of Planets!
Relationship. All country
I would have to investigate for 25 years. But in the meanwhile we can be good friends. But I would never surrender my or others individual right to defend myself. Includes the ability to walk away from Union or Alliance individually.
Well there's nothing against maintaining your own fleet. I would imagine integration and coordination with Starfleet would be set up. I think seceding from the Federation is easier than a state leaving the US or a country leaving the EU, though I feel like it would have just as complex a series of trade and citizenship questions to answer.
Well im Human so im most likly gonna be born on earth so i don't really have a choice...unless i become a slave in other empires.
Nonsense, you could be born out of many strange and distant clown holes! Because SCIENCE!
not a weighted question to me. done. as long as its like the UFP lol
Bajor was a bad example for being accepted into the Federation. They were an affirmative action case and the Federation overlooked a few things with them. Even though they knew about warp, they really didn't have warp capability through their own doing. Their people were far from unified. They are very antagonistic. Their government was provisional and everyone disagreed in it.
I think you get the point.
6:15 To be fair the only reason the enterprise is predominately human is because Kirk has about 200 pending sexual harrassment suits levied against him from various green blue and yellow alien species! It's developed a reputation.
New video idea, why u should not resist the terran empire XD
That picture of Risa looks like Hanama Bay in Hawaii.🙂
Please do the Zentradi from SDF Macross.