Pat Riley said it himself: If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save a game, I'd choose Michael Jordan. If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save my life, I'd choose Larry Bird”.
And for all you younger generations out there....Jordan only sponsored one video game in his playing days.. Jordan vs Bird on the nintendo...so we all know who Jordan respected most
Larry is definitely in the GOAT conversation. No holes in his game, and he would trash talk opponents to death. He is #3 on my all time list. Keep these Bird bangers in your mix bro!
I think why the 3 point is mentioned with Bird, the 3 point line was introduced during his rookie season, so he wasn’t practicing them in high school of college.
Agree - top 5. Saw him play in college and you knew he was going to be special.. He could take over a game but he was always wanting to make the extra pass - the ultimate team player. Put him of a team with other greats like Jordon, Kobe and look out.
Out of all the records that we talk about that are unbreakable ..... Pistol Pete's record is by far the hardest break and will literally not ever be broken
For the record, I disagree on multiple points but that’s the beauty of sports. Nonetheless, this guy did a great job in his video but if you’d have grown up watching Larry you’d get his point about the missed shot. You could have an endless video of his game winning shots . But also he was also rookie of the year. So rookie of the year, 3x mvp, coach of the year and exec of the year. Also he was drafted 6th not 3rd. Anyhow, love the react because I appreciate honesty. So I’ll leave you with this, Jordan couldn’t beat bird when it mattered. Never did. Bird dominated the in an era where every team had not one but numerous all stars and hall of famers. Not one other player can say they did that. Jordan himself talks about how bird taught him everything about the mental side of the game and made him the Jordan he became… after birds body had given out on him. One love. Check out courtship of rivals doc. Because without Larry and magic, there truly would not be an nba today. Edit: I’m not putting bird above jordan for the record. MJ and bird are 1a and 1b. I’d flip a coin if there was a draft. Either way you’re winning.
1a and 1b I can live with, because that's just an impossible choice to make considering every stat and all the untangibles. it's when anyone tries to put Bird at 3 or (god forbid) below that I start to lose my mind LOL. but also for the record, if FORCED to choose, it's Bird all the way. I dont care about the "his airness" nonsense or leaping abilities. Bird's game was just more complete, far less selfish and more technically elite, and I'll argue to the death with anyone who would like to debate it lol.
Prime to prime, skill set to skill set Larry is the equal of and in my opinion slightly better than Jordan or Magic. Larry Bird's court geometry was off the chain and the greats of his day knew it and felt it. Listen to them. The argument that Michael had not assembled his Bulls team yet is bogus, Bird turned the entire franchise around with no one. Doubling and tripling Celtic wins year after year. Even after Jordan had Pippen, despite a magnificent performance he ended up like the others. And, Larry did it with a broken back. As one commentator observed, "Michael had to have the ball to affect the game," Bird did not. Larry created team plays on the fly. And, Larry had a trunk load of intangibles that made him even greater.
@@itzkhiiii I’ve never been called a bro before! 😂 I had played sports Larry Legend style & paid for it. By 51 both of my hips were replaced, 4 nerve blocks in the back & permanent nerve damage(sciatica & neuropathy in my feet). People ask me if I could do it all over would I knowing what I know now. No, the 80’s were awesome but technology just wasn’t there to support athletes health.
Hey it’s your new old friend :) if I may offer just a little constructive criticism. I know it’s hard but I’ve noticed that if you would watch the videos, a lot of the questions you have and stop the tape for are answered shortly after. Keep up the good work ! I don’t know why, but there has been a resurgence of Larry Bird‘s popularity lately, and any video you make of him is gold 👍
thanks for the feedback man and i hope to see more of you in the future of my vids,i will be doing more vids of these players back in the day because ppl dont appreciate those players back then
@itzkhiiii stopping the tape to analyze and ask questions is fine. It's much better than speaking over the video while it runs. What i would recommend is a 5 second rewind when you restart the vid, because most times it pauses in the middle of a point and restarting without backing up a hair causes you to occasionally miss part of an informational statement
I'm glad you did a video on bird, and I agree, I remember that shot live as it happened....and I thought it was going in too....and you are also right to say the same could be said about jordan....I have said it myself
the 3pt contest only shows his skill in shooting and another example of how clutch he is. it's not for the purpose of adding to stats. he's telling a story, "making his case" about his skill and consistency in performance time after time after time. and he's not claiming that no one has ever done some of the same things. it's the overall look at HIM and what HE can and has done. top down, dont fuss over details.
Back then, the three-point contest and the dunk contest actually meant something too. They best of the best actually participated unlike today where the players are making so much money that they are afraid of injury over it.
they keep saying he played 13 season but he really only plated 12 because in1989 he missed the whole season and only played in 6 games. also when they talk about finals the Eastern conference was much tougher then the western conference really their was only 2 teams lakers and houston, the eastern conference had 5 to 6 teams that could beat you
People forget that the sixers and Celtics went to game 7 2 years in a row and then the 83 sixers went 12-1 in the playoffs to win the chip. Amazing team.
I agree, Isaiah Thomas is a very decisive and hold grudges for it looks like forever now. He was the one behind the Pistons bad reputation Larry Bird said he was the one that would tell his teammates, go out there and do whatever you gotta do to hurt somebody, so yeah, I don’t respect Isaiah Thomas at all
I think you have him confused with Bill Laimbeer. Isaiah and Bird were friendly. Laimbeer is known for trying to injure players: putting his foot under theirs when they jumped, so they’d land on it funky, and twist or break an ankle.
I think he chose to show his 3peat in the 3 point contest, just to show his shooting prowess, and most importantly hisclutchness with money on the line. Good react by the way. Open minded and well articulated!
@@aramhamparian9641uuhhhmm…. I don’t think so. He had a bad finger on his shooting hand his entire NBA career. But he wasn’t playing any finals games with a broken hand. To prove me wrong, simply provide the story. I’ll wait. 😊
@@billvinson1594 Yes He Fractured His Hand Before The Finals. He Was Really Mad When a News Paper Guy Found Out And Wrote About It In The Paper (after the Finals). Why, Because Bird Broke/Fractured It In A Bar Fight. And Bird Was Embarrassed About It & He Did Settle With The Man He Hit. You Can Find The Guy Who Wrote The Story On Here YT; I Can't Think Of His Name Off Hand (the writer). Bird Did Say; Hurting His Hand Was His Fault & He Wasn't Going To Give Himself That Excuse To Not Play. So Yea He Wanted To Keep His Hurt Hand Hush Hush. But Announcers & Writer's Could See It Was Swallow Up. He Messed Up His Pointy Finger In College.
Please do! It's such a good piece of NBA history, and you would really enjoy it. - never mind! I just saw that you did, and I watched and subbed. Thanks!
@@itzkhiiii I hear you. It's just hard to know, especially when you're talking to someone younger, if maybe you just don't know. Forgive me for repeating what you may have heard many times before but 44 points a game with no 3 pt line. He's, by far, the all time leading scorer and has been for a long time. He was dead before you were born and the record stands to this day. Has never been threatened.
As to including college careers , I think it is more about the achievement ( he carried that team and they have never to this day reached the finals) .. plus it was a preamble to the magic-bird rivalry that saved the NBA ... and I think that every player that plays today has to thank Magic & Bird every time they get a paycheck ...
As a life long resident in the Boston area, and getting to watch Bird’s entire career, I still say that Jordan is the G.O.A.T. As for Larry Legend, I would definitely put him in the top 5.
To be fair, the reason Isiah Thomas said he was a horrible player and Scottie Pippen said this as well, was because during Jordan's first 5 years, he was often sloppy with the ball and tended to fade down the stretch. He could never beat Bird at all and while he was a great dunker and highly athletic, he couldn't get past the first round of the playoffs. Some will argue the he didn't have help, but it was not just that. He played a selfish game. Seemed to care more about stat padding than winning. It wasn't until Phil Jackson took over and Scottie Pippen got drafted that he really started to understand leadership. Still a ball hog, but understood what it took to make himself and his team better. Phil Jackson and Scottie Pippen were the reasons he understood this. Because Phil helped him understand that if he wanted to win a championship, he had to understand Bird, Magic, Kareem and Isiah. What made them such great leaders. Iron sharpens Iron. Yes, Jordan is an asshole. Pippen isn't wrong, Thomas isn't wrong for saying that. Guys like Barkley will even admit that Jordan could be an asshole, and Barkley is a friend. Where Pippen goes wrong is saying that he is a better player than Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc. But I think it stems from the idea that he was just Jordan's sidekick and it makes him feel disrespected. So he over compensates because he doesn't want to feel disrespected, always being Robin to Jordan's Batman, as the way the press often was putting it. It puts him into a dark place. It doesn't help that he, as well as the majority of Jordan's teammates never really liked Michael the person. They trusted him to win games, but they didn't really like him. Where as Scottie, they both trusted and liked him. I know this is long, but I felt it needed to have some context for why some people didn't like Michael. I happen to hate Michael. Both because of his being such an asshole person and the advertising that always was driven down everyone's throats with "Be Like Mike", Nike, McDonald's and Gatorade. It just drove me absolutely insane how much he was jammed down everyone's throats. The same as they do with LeBron now. It is that over exposure that builds a backlash. Like...the Lakers being shoved down everyone's throats on ESPN, ABC and TNT when they aren't a very good basketball team.
I agree with the part that jordan was an a hole and that in his early years he was a ball hog,scottie doesn’t understand that you cant feel under appreciated when you got drafted into a situation that was designed to be that way,jordan was the guy,he came into the league as a guy projected to be great in the league then later on a superstar in the league,scottie was just a rotation player his first season,and within a couple years he developed his game,as far as mj is concerned i can pull up many clips of him giving his stripes to pippen and saying that he doesn’t win 6 chips without scottie and saying how much he appreciates playing with him,but scottie was not on mj’s level on the court or off the court (off court meaning commercial and advertisement) great players are going to be disliked by a lot of people,jordan kobe and lebron are disliked by a lot of people teammates and opponents,but thats what makes them great.well put statement and i agree with you
I understand you don't want to include the dunk contests or 3 point contests or all star games -- it makes sense if you're young and don't understand that when all of that was new it was a big deal. Players didn't get paid much, players took it really damn seriously, their salaries were so low back then that winning 10K did actually make a difference LOL. And in the all star games at least in the 80s they actually played very competitively and even in a lot of the 90s and into the 00s... there's a great story about how MJ his last year hit a last seconds shot that would've had him end his career winning the all star game in the east. And the west wanted to just let him go out like that. Kobe was like NO WAY... and he took it back to the other side and hit a shot back for them to win. So there WAS a time when the best players played the games -- they played for real. They played defense and offense. And they played hard. And the new 3 point and slam dunk contests the BEST players played in them to compete to win, it wasn't the joke it is now where no one gives a flying ... well you know what I'm sayin'. I understand why younger players would say now it doesn't matter, but back then it actually DID matter for cred, for stardom, for quality of play -- in the all star game you didn't have both Bron and Giannis sitting (and yes they were injured or whatevs) -- but unless they were SERIOUSLY INJURED everyone played and they played hard. It was actually a real contest. The only time I think that players gave a gimme on the all star was when Magic played his last all star game in the NBA because he was the first player to be diagnosed with HIV and everyone believed he had essentially announced he was dead soon because back then that's what HIV was. No one ever survived it, and usually not long that we knew of. Magic having HIV for most players (except the phobics) but for most of the big all stars -- especially like MJ, Bird, etc -- was a time of major grief in the league and unprecedented. It was like a make a wish foundation game that one game -- but other than that every other game was all out murder because they just didn't play the same way that they play now. It's fine if your opinion is that none of this matters at all, because today it doesn't -- it's a joke, and anyone who argued that a dunk champ or a 3 point contest champ or an all star mvp or leading scorer or whatever was "the best" yeah I'd laugh at that. But back in the day? Oh... you had to work for your flowers for sure. They were no less forgiving in the all star than in regular games, only difference being that you weren't always playing with teammates you knew, but the east wanted to kill the west and vice versa, but then there were also personal vendettas out there as well. So while I get not putting it in when comparing old players to new players or deciding to ignore it -- fine... but also understanding that there was a time where the people who won these things actually -- it mattered. They never played soft to avoid season injuries, they never sat out to avoid fatiguing themselves. The old school players that played 82 games just didn't play like that. And yes the best would stop once they'd proven their points and let the new kids shoot it out or dunk it out... but it was still a real fight, always. Now it's all for show, and kinda barely that. No one cares -- there's not enough incentive to care. They get paid so damn much and the accolades have been punked to be kind of like... how do I explain... there was a time a long time ago when people who were smart wanted to get MENSA cards (long before my time). By the time I was old enough only insecure nerds got MENSA cards and most confident geniuses thought only losers got MENSA cards. Things evolve and change. Now if someone says they are in MENSA you're like "cool story bro -- do you also have a note from your mom saying you're handsome?" Larry winning the early 3 point contests did matter. Now they don't. MJ winning early dunk contests did matter. Now they don't. Winning all star MVP used to matter. Now it's arbitrary because they score like 800 points and no one important cares or really plays hard.
you have a good point,thats prolly why i think that now because now as you said the all star weekend is a joke,its not exciting and its rather boring in my opinion
@@itzkhiiii yep I totally agree. I pretty much just watch the draft sometimes on replay to see who picks whom... (but remember in the old days it was always just east vs. west so no one picked, and also fans didn't really have a way to vote like now so there was no fan vote) But yeah I can't even tolerate watching the all star games. In fact for the past many years until they finally implemented the no flopping and started to bring back some defense -- but I still think they need to make a few more changes. But yeah that's just me -- very few games I enjoyed watching under the flopping era. That's just my personal feelings. But the all star weekend was just a total joke and it took what used to be a real competition to a total joke.
@@Tcheerathe draft is one of the biggest reasons that all star game is a joke. They're getting rid of it this year (finally). I can't believe they did it more than once
And the thing about the missed shot making him clutch, look at it like Curry. When he raises up from deep, especially in those prime warriors runs, you did not expect him to miss ever. When he did miss a buzzer beater and they lost you just couldn’t believe it because he made yoh feel like it was auto butter, that’s what Larry did
In reference to why the 3 pt contest thing mattered. Lary was a Forward.... a Foward who was a better outside shooter than everyone else in the league. I was a die hard showtime Laker fan, I was not a Celtics fan at all. But if it were not for the ratings, Larry and Magic brought for the NBA, it could have possibly folded as a professional sports league.
@@itzkhiiii No disrespect to Kareem or Wilt ! They are in great company in tier two ! Both are top ten players , yet , still behind Bird , Jordan and Magic !
Watch 3 videos on Bird. 1. Magic vs Bird a courtship of rivals. 2. NBA legends explain why Bird was so feared. 3. Larry Bird greatest trash talking. That will tell you everything you need to know about Bird.
In my RUclips research Pistol Pete Maravich was the greatest college player of all time. That’s a fun video to watch. Averaged over 40 pts per game each year he was a starter throughout college, all without a 3 point line.
Tier One: Larry, MJ, Magic Tier Two: Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Duncan, Dr. J, Barkley, Kobe Tier Three: Dominque, Pippin, Oscar, Pete, McHale, DJ, Gervin, LeBron, KD, West, Robinson, Clyde, Stockton, Hakeem Tier Four: Walton, Baylor, Cousey, Jokic (He may move up, right now he's here). Luka (same), Worthy, Parish, Miller, Malone, Shaq. (I haven't watched AI, Nash, Peirce, and Dirk play really...they will be added when I watch them, but I feel they should be mentioned) Tier Five: the rest. Curry is a great shooter...what else can he do? Might have missed some players. It's not intentional. Going off memory and my memory is stuck in the "80's on occasion
The thing about the all star stuff, is this gen doesn’t care or take that stuff serious and see it as a vacation so to you guys it shouldn’t matter either. Our generation were competitive in EVERYTHING. Those boys took those small competitions/games serious because bragging rights mattered
@@itzkhiiii oh man it’s crazy, pull up a full AS game from the early 90’s and just look at the effort being put in on both sides the ball. More effort and taken more serious than a lot of regular season games in the league now tbh.
You dont have to think he is the best... I just love seeing young people actually knowing and appriciating Larry. He is pretty much the ONLY guy who is *LITERALLY* one of the best players to ever lace em up who barely get ANY credit these days. You guys wouldnt even know who Jordan or Lebron was if it wasnt for Larry and Magic. That alone is enough to expect EVERY basketball ´fan to know their legacy.
The dunk contest is not the same as th 3 points contest. The Dunk contest is about showing off... just cuz you cant make a 360 spin before you down the ball doesnt mean you automatically the better dunker. Youre the *flashier* dunker... but it doesnt really impact the came. Shooting three DOES impact the game, there is no "flash" about it, its just pure skill. That said, I still think you should count the dunk contest. It IS still something the give awards for and if they give awards it to count it. Otherwise the award oesnt mean aything.
I do not agree with comparing past “kings” with current “kings”, or “queens” in most sports. The medical, physical therapy, training technology, nutrition, and gear available at the times are way different. Not just a little different. A lot different. I gather rules have changed to try to protect players from severe injuries. Except possibly in women’s soccer. They seem to often get away with stepping on a player who is on the ground and have no consequences. I recently saw some clips of their blatant bad behavior. Didn’t even try to hide it. Bad behavior happens but injuries from it are usually less because they are trying not to get caught. The broads I saw didn’t care and, it seems, were not called out for it by refs. Lousy refs too.
Michael Jordan said that LarryBird had no weaknesses. He also said that he was glad LarryBird was retiring, because he was tired of getting beat. MJ never beat him in the playoffs, LarryBird box score was better, and MJ had a miserable regular season record against the Celtics. Clayton makes a point in another video, that if MJ was the greatest, but never beat LarryBird, what does that make LarryBird? Just sayin
what about in 92 when they played against each other in the olympics? bird said then that he was better,even when jordan scored 63 in boston he said he was the best player,if you ask bird he is going to say jordan is the greatest
To top it off he swept MJ in the finals 2 years in a row. Don't get me wrong MJ was one of the best. But He didn't start winning ring until Larry and Magic were at the end of their careas .
WELL YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE 3 POINT SHOT WAS NOT EVEN PAINTED ON THE COURT UNTIL BIRDS ROOKIE YEAR. 80'S PLAYERS NEVER SHOT 3 POINTERS IN HIGH SCHOOL OR COLLEGE! YES IT WAS A BIG DEAL!
Jordan never beat bird in the playoffs even after pippin joined him. Bird swept MJ and again with pippin back to back. Check out Jordan vs. Bird video stats and facts doesn't lie.
jordan also MADE many game winners as well,it may have not been to the buzzer, but it was game winners since he would hit the shot then defend the other team til the buzzer
MJ is the undisputable GOAT and then comes Kareem, Larry and Magic, Kobe and then the others. Of course Bird is better than james, by far i would say. Larry is te best All-around player and the best SF ever. But yes, Michael Jordan is the GOAT.
true but Bill Russell was not even the best player on the team,yea he had defense but he lacked an offensive game,not saying that MJ is a better defender but at his prime he was the best offensive,defensive AND he was winning
@@itzkhiiii That wasn't the argument. It was, "Who had one more." That makes Russell the GOAT. Using wins, isn't good metrics. Robert Parish won more rings than Larry, his former team mate. Would you put him before Larry? Flipside, does the fact Dominque Wilkins and Charles Barkley are bad players and sit at the bottom of tier lists because they didn't win chips? Chips is a factor, but not the only one. The fact MJ never won in the playoffs against Bird says alot, especially when MJ put 63 points in one of those losses. What does that make Larry?
at the same time using that argument about jordan losing against bird in the playoffs is unfair and lacks context due to the competition jordan was going against,birds team at that time was more seasoned and won championships prior to that series,there was no way jordan was going to beat that team,he even said in the interview before the game that one man can beat the boston celtics,winning is a big thing but its not everything and its discredited more and more as the years gon by
@@itzkhiiii And Larry was impressed by MJ. I just get mad when people say chips are the end all. Larry only won three, but he won 3 in era dominated by elite star studded teams. Especially the Lakers. Going back to Russell, was all of his wins really that special? I don't know. I will never know. but 11 is still impressive.
You kids are so convinced that MJ was a horrible teamste. You are a soft generation. He was a tough SOB as a leader who got the job done. Its called war and MJ was a 5 star general who led from the front. I wasnt an MJ fan but thank God I grew up before this marshmallow barbie generation. Bird is my guy, ice water in his veigns.
you can be a leader without being an a hole and disrespectful, mj is my favorite player but the way he went about certain things i didnt like.For example, he starved horace grant because he had a bad game.Like what??
That was an isolated situation. Picture this, MJ is your captain and he tells you that you don't deserve to eat. What do you do? Do you cowardly just sit there in shame or do you punch him in the face? He did what he had to do to get the dog out of everyone so that they were never bullied by other teams like they did early against Detroit. Even Steve Kerr knew psychologically he couldn't let MJ punk him and swung at MJ in practice and I believe even Wennington or Longley had their scraps with MJ. MJ respected them after. MJ could never do the same to Rodman because Rodman already gave maximum effort, what else could MJ get out of him? Every time I got into a fight in school or in the street we tended to end up friends at least respecting each other a bit more.
ig man,i mean there are other stories where mj was not a good teammate and crossed the line numerous times,but in terms of winning and his individual talent and play,he was terrific as a teammate
Pat Riley said it himself:
If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save a game, I'd choose Michael Jordan. If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save my life, I'd choose Larry Bird”.
And for all you younger generations out there....Jordan only sponsored one video game in his playing days.. Jordan vs Bird on the nintendo...so we all know who Jordan respected most
Larry is definitely in the GOAT conversation. No holes in his game, and he would trash talk opponents to death. He is #3 on my all time list. Keep these Bird bangers in your mix bro!
bett we will be seeing more bird as well as other legends
I think why the 3 point is mentioned with Bird, the 3 point line was introduced during his rookie season, so he wasn’t practicing them in high school of college.
someone else said that it was more competitive than how it is now,and since ppl did not get paid as much it was a bonus for them to play
Agree - top 5. Saw him play in college and you knew he was going to be special.. He could take over a game but he was always wanting to make the extra pass - the ultimate team player. Put him of a team with other greats like Jordon, Kobe and look out.
oh yea most definitely
Greatest college career goes to Pistol Pete....by far I believe his offensive records still Stand and probably will stand for ever.
Truth … Bill Walton
had a hell of a College
career as well !
Out of all the records that we talk about that are unbreakable .....
Pistol Pete's record is by far the hardest break and will literally not ever be broken
For the record, I disagree on multiple points but that’s the beauty of sports. Nonetheless, this guy did a great job in his video but if you’d have grown up watching Larry you’d get his point about the missed shot. You could have an endless video of his game winning shots . But also he was also rookie of the year. So rookie of the year, 3x mvp, coach of the year and exec of the year. Also he was drafted 6th not 3rd. Anyhow, love the react because I appreciate honesty. So I’ll leave you with this, Jordan couldn’t beat bird when it mattered. Never did. Bird dominated the in an era where every team had not one but numerous all stars and hall of famers. Not one other player can say they did that. Jordan himself talks about how bird taught him everything about the mental side of the game and made him the Jordan he became… after birds body had given out on him. One love. Check out courtship of rivals doc. Because without Larry and magic, there truly would not be an nba today.
Edit: I’m not putting bird above jordan for the record. MJ and bird are 1a and 1b. I’d flip a coin if there was a draft. Either way you’re winning.
great point,ive seen that documentary and its actually really good
6th a year BEFORE he was going to play. Every team knew he was going to finish his college degree and play college ball his senior year.
1a and 1b I can live with, because that's just an impossible choice to make considering every stat and all the untangibles. it's when anyone tries to put Bird at 3 or (god forbid) below that I start to lose my mind LOL. but also for the record, if FORCED to choose, it's Bird all the way. I dont care about the "his airness" nonsense or leaping abilities. Bird's game was just more complete, far less selfish and more technically elite, and I'll argue to the death with anyone who would like to debate it lol.
@@LSFA-KrissyL16 He made the whole team better... and is a team game.
Prime to prime, skill set to skill set Larry is the equal of and in my opinion slightly better than Jordan or Magic. Larry Bird's court geometry was off the chain and the greats of his day knew it and felt it. Listen to them. The argument that Michael had not assembled his Bulls team yet is bogus, Bird turned the entire franchise around with no one. Doubling and tripling Celtic wins year after year. Even after Jordan had Pippen, despite a magnificent performance he ended up like the others. And, Larry did it with a broken back. As one commentator observed, "Michael had to have the ball to affect the game," Bird did not. Larry created team plays on the fly. And, Larry had a trunk load of intangibles that made him even greater.
Wilt Chamberlain was the most athletic big man that's ever played, could you imagine playing against someone that freakishly strong.
yea man ik
I enjoy your insight when discussing this era(s) & Bird. The 3 point contest was a big deal back then. How times have changed! 😂
i appreciate that bro!
@@itzkhiiii I’ve never been called a bro before! 😂 I
had played sports Larry Legend style & paid for it. By 51 both of my hips were replaced, 4 nerve blocks in the back & permanent nerve damage(sciatica & neuropathy in my feet). People ask me if I could do it all over would I knowing what I know now. No, the 80’s were awesome but technology just wasn’t there to support athletes health.
that i 100% agree,and thats just how i talk lol no disrespect behind it
@@itzkhiiii I take it as a compliment😂 I enjoy reactors who know basketball.
me too,hopefully i see more of you!
Hey it’s your new old friend :) if I may offer just a little constructive criticism. I know it’s hard but I’ve noticed that if you would watch the videos, a lot of the questions you have and stop the tape for are answered shortly after. Keep up the good work ! I don’t know why, but there has been a resurgence of Larry Bird‘s popularity lately, and any video you make of him is gold 👍
thanks for the feedback man and i hope to see more of you in the future of my vids,i will be doing more vids of these players back in the day because ppl dont appreciate those players back then
@itzkhiiii stopping the tape to analyze and ask questions is fine. It's much better than speaking over the video while it runs. What i would recommend is a 5 second rewind when you restart the vid, because most times it pauses in the middle of a point and restarting without backing up a hair causes you to occasionally miss part of an informational statement
ok ok i appreciate the feedback,ill try that
I'm glad you did a video on bird, and I agree, I remember that shot live as it happened....and I thought it was going in too....and you are also right to say the same could be said about jordan....I have said it myself
yea man but bird was a bad mfer too man
the 3pt contest only shows his skill in shooting and another example of how clutch he is. it's not for the purpose of adding to stats. he's telling a story, "making his case" about his skill and consistency in performance time after time after time. and he's not claiming that no one has ever done some of the same things. it's the overall look at HIM and what HE can and has done. top down, dont fuss over details.
thats okay i was just wondering
Back then, the three-point contest and the dunk contest actually meant something too. They best of the best actually participated unlike today where the players are making so much money that they are afraid of injury over it.
not to be rude or nothin, but Curry, supposedly the best shooter ever, lost the 3pt contest 5 times. Bird won 3 in a row. just sayin.
they keep saying he played 13 season but he really only plated 12 because in1989 he missed the whole season and only played in 6 games. also when they talk about finals the Eastern conference was much tougher then the western conference really their was only 2 teams lakers and houston, the eastern conference had 5 to 6 teams that could beat you
yea the east was stacked back then
People forget that the sixers and Celtics went to game 7 2 years in a row and then the 83 sixers went 12-1 in the playoffs to win the chip. Amazing team.
I agree, Isaiah Thomas is a very decisive and hold grudges for it looks like forever now. He was the one behind the Pistons bad reputation Larry Bird said he was the one that would tell his teammates, go out there and do whatever you gotta do to hurt somebody, so yeah, I don’t respect Isaiah Thomas at all
100%agree he has been showin out lately
I think you have him confused with Bill Laimbeer. Isaiah and Bird were friendly. Laimbeer is known for trying to injure players: putting his foot under theirs when they jumped, so they’d land on it funky, and twist or break an ankle.
However, he’s always had a dislike for MJ. I know there’s a story behind it, but I honestly can’t remember what it was. Lol!
I think he chose to show his 3peat in the 3 point contest, just to show his shooting prowess, and most importantly hisclutchness with money on the line. Good react by the way. Open minded and well articulated!
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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 The ending of your video bro. Hey great breaking down the video as you did...It was very impressive.
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Bird missed that shot. What he is trying to say is of all the clutch shots Larry took, he missed only one. That is why he is the clutchest.
ohh ok ok
He also was playing with a broken shooting hand in that game.
@@aramhamparian9641uuhhhmm…. I don’t think so. He had a bad finger on his shooting hand his entire NBA career. But he wasn’t playing any finals games with a broken hand. To prove me wrong, simply provide the story. I’ll wait. 😊
@@aramhamparian9641this shot that he barely missed was in the 1987 finals. He injured his hand in a bar fight during the '85 finals
@@billvinson1594 Yes He Fractured His Hand Before The Finals. He Was Really Mad When a News Paper Guy Found Out And Wrote About It In The Paper (after the Finals). Why, Because Bird Broke/Fractured It In A Bar Fight. And Bird Was Embarrassed About It & He Did Settle With The Man He Hit. You Can Find The Guy Who Wrote The Story On Here YT; I Can't Think Of His Name Off Hand (the writer). Bird Did Say; Hurting His Hand Was His Fault & He Wasn't Going To Give Himself That Excuse To Not Play. So Yea He Wanted To Keep His Hurt Hand Hush Hush. But Announcers & Writer's Could See It Was Swallow Up. He Messed Up His Pointy Finger In College.
it is strickly profesional as far as greatest of all time
And The courtship of rivals. It's necessary for understanding the beginning of the NBA.
i should react to that on tha channel
Please do! It's such a good piece of NBA history, and you would really enjoy it. - never mind! I just saw that you did, and I watched and subbed. Thanks!
yea no problem,i’m also reacting to the dream team documentary
Lebron himself, says he’s one of the best, and that he modeled his game by watching Larry play. Great reaction.
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4:18 nah, he's just giving details on Bird's back story to help the viewer understand him, his history and how it relates to his goat claim.
ok ok
Enjoyable reaction, great job. I'll subscribe to this guy.
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As far as the greatest college career. This is the first time I've ever heard an answer other than Maravich.
yea,me personally i think its Kareem
@@itzkhiiii I hear you. It's just hard to know, especially when you're talking to someone younger, if maybe you just don't know. Forgive me for repeating what you may have heard many times before but 44 points a game with no 3 pt line. He's, by far, the all time leading scorer and has been for a long time. He was dead before you were born and the record stands to this day. Has never been threatened.
@@itzkhiiii Maravich or Lew, either had an amazing college career. While Larry's was great, it wasn't the best.
GOAT"S GOAT
And he was Rookie of the Year
As to including college careers , I think it is more about the achievement ( he carried that team and they have never to this day reached the finals) .. plus it was a preamble to the magic-bird rivalry that saved the NBA ... and I think that every player that plays today has to thank Magic & Bird every time they get a paycheck ...
no thats facts literally!!
As a life long resident in the Boston area, and getting to watch Bird’s entire career, I still say that Jordan is the G.O.A.T.
As for Larry Legend, I would definitely put him in the top 5.
i agree
To be fair, the reason Isiah Thomas said he was a horrible player and Scottie Pippen said this as well, was because during Jordan's first 5 years, he was often sloppy with the ball and tended to fade down the stretch. He could never beat Bird at all and while he was a great dunker and highly athletic, he couldn't get past the first round of the playoffs. Some will argue the he didn't have help, but it was not just that. He played a selfish game. Seemed to care more about stat padding than winning.
It wasn't until Phil Jackson took over and Scottie Pippen got drafted that he really started to understand leadership. Still a ball hog, but understood what it took to make himself and his team better. Phil Jackson and Scottie Pippen were the reasons he understood this. Because Phil helped him understand that if he wanted to win a championship, he had to understand Bird, Magic, Kareem and Isiah. What made them such great leaders. Iron sharpens Iron.
Yes, Jordan is an asshole. Pippen isn't wrong, Thomas isn't wrong for saying that. Guys like Barkley will even admit that Jordan could be an asshole, and Barkley is a friend.
Where Pippen goes wrong is saying that he is a better player than Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc.
But I think it stems from the idea that he was just Jordan's sidekick and it makes him feel disrespected. So he over compensates because he doesn't want to feel disrespected, always being Robin to Jordan's Batman, as the way the press often was putting it.
It puts him into a dark place.
It doesn't help that he, as well as the majority of Jordan's teammates never really liked Michael the person. They trusted him to win games, but they didn't really like him. Where as Scottie, they both trusted and liked him.
I know this is long, but I felt it needed to have some context for why some people didn't like Michael.
I happen to hate Michael.
Both because of his being such an asshole person and the advertising that always was driven down everyone's throats with "Be Like Mike", Nike, McDonald's and Gatorade. It just drove me absolutely insane how much he was jammed down everyone's throats. The same as they do with LeBron now. It is that over exposure that builds a backlash.
Like...the Lakers being shoved down everyone's throats on ESPN, ABC and TNT when they aren't a very good basketball team.
I agree with the part that jordan was an a hole and that in his early years he was a ball hog,scottie doesn’t understand that you cant feel under appreciated when you got drafted into a situation that was designed to be that way,jordan was the guy,he came into the league as a guy projected to be great in the league then later on a superstar in the league,scottie was just a rotation player his first season,and within a couple years he developed his game,as far as mj is concerned i can pull up many clips of him giving his stripes to pippen and saying that he doesn’t win 6 chips without scottie and saying how much he appreciates playing with him,but scottie was not on mj’s level on the court or off the court (off court meaning commercial and advertisement) great players are going to be disliked by a lot of people,jordan kobe and lebron are disliked by a lot of people teammates and opponents,but thats what makes them great.well put statement and i agree with you
Definitely top 5. Arguably top 3. Cold as ice in the clutch.
agreed,i got him top 5
I understand you don't want to include the dunk contests or 3 point contests or all star games -- it makes sense if you're young and don't understand that when all of that was new it was a big deal. Players didn't get paid much, players took it really damn seriously, their salaries were so low back then that winning 10K did actually make a difference LOL. And in the all star games at least in the 80s they actually played very competitively and even in a lot of the 90s and into the 00s... there's a great story about how MJ his last year hit a last seconds shot that would've had him end his career winning the all star game in the east. And the west wanted to just let him go out like that. Kobe was like NO WAY... and he took it back to the other side and hit a shot back for them to win.
So there WAS a time when the best players played the games -- they played for real. They played defense and offense. And they played hard. And the new 3 point and slam dunk contests the BEST players played in them to compete to win, it wasn't the joke it is now where no one gives a flying ... well you know what I'm sayin'. I understand why younger players would say now it doesn't matter, but back then it actually DID matter for cred, for stardom, for quality of play -- in the all star game you didn't have both Bron and Giannis sitting (and yes they were injured or whatevs) -- but unless they were SERIOUSLY INJURED everyone played and they played hard. It was actually a real contest. The only time I think that players gave a gimme on the all star was when Magic played his last all star game in the NBA because he was the first player to be diagnosed with HIV and everyone believed he had essentially announced he was dead soon because back then that's what HIV was. No one ever survived it, and usually not long that we knew of. Magic having HIV for most players (except the phobics) but for most of the big all stars -- especially like MJ, Bird, etc -- was a time of major grief in the league and unprecedented. It was like a make a wish foundation game that one game -- but other than that every other game was all out murder because they just didn't play the same way that they play now.
It's fine if your opinion is that none of this matters at all, because today it doesn't -- it's a joke, and anyone who argued that a dunk champ or a 3 point contest champ or an all star mvp or leading scorer or whatever was "the best" yeah I'd laugh at that. But back in the day? Oh... you had to work for your flowers for sure. They were no less forgiving in the all star than in regular games, only difference being that you weren't always playing with teammates you knew, but the east wanted to kill the west and vice versa, but then there were also personal vendettas out there as well. So while I get not putting it in when comparing old players to new players or deciding to ignore it -- fine... but also understanding that there was a time where the people who won these things actually -- it mattered. They never played soft to avoid season injuries, they never sat out to avoid fatiguing themselves. The old school players that played 82 games just didn't play like that. And yes the best would stop once they'd proven their points and let the new kids shoot it out or dunk it out... but it was still a real fight, always. Now it's all for show, and kinda barely that. No one cares -- there's not enough incentive to care. They get paid so damn much and the accolades have been punked to be kind of like... how do I explain... there was a time a long time ago when people who were smart wanted to get MENSA cards (long before my time). By the time I was old enough only insecure nerds got MENSA cards and most confident geniuses thought only losers got MENSA cards. Things evolve and change. Now if someone says they are in MENSA you're like "cool story bro -- do you also have a note from your mom saying you're handsome?" Larry winning the early 3 point contests did matter. Now they don't. MJ winning early dunk contests did matter. Now they don't. Winning all star MVP used to matter. Now it's arbitrary because they score like 800 points and no one important cares or really plays hard.
you have a good point,thats prolly why i think that now because now as you said the all star weekend is a joke,its not exciting and its rather boring in my opinion
@@itzkhiiii yep I totally agree. I pretty much just watch the draft sometimes on replay to see who picks whom... (but remember in the old days it was always just east vs. west so no one picked, and also fans didn't really have a way to vote like now so there was no fan vote)
But yeah I can't even tolerate watching the all star games. In fact for the past many years until they finally implemented the no flopping and started to bring back some defense -- but I still think they need to make a few more changes. But yeah that's just me -- very few games I enjoyed watching under the flopping era. That's just my personal feelings. But the all star weekend was just a total joke and it took what used to be a real competition to a total joke.
@@Tcheerathe draft is one of the biggest reasons that all star game is a joke. They're getting rid of it this year (finally). I can't believe they did it more than once
i hope within the next few years the allstar weekend can become exciting again
@@itzkhiiii i don't think it will ever be watchable again. The players now just don't care about anything but money
And the thing about the missed shot making him clutch, look at it like Curry. When he raises up from deep, especially in those prime warriors runs, you did not expect him to miss ever. When he did miss a buzzer beater and they lost you just couldn’t believe it because he made yoh feel like it was auto butter, that’s what Larry did
For sure,i believe it was the same way
In reference to why the 3 pt contest thing mattered. Lary was a Forward.... a Foward who was a better outside shooter than everyone else in the league.
I was a die hard showtime Laker fan, I was not a Celtics fan at all.
But if it were not for the ratings, Larry and Magic brought for the NBA, it could have possibly folded as a professional sports league.
yea magic and bird saved the nba
TIER ONE
Bird , Jordan , Magic
TIER TWO
Russell , Wilt , Kareem
Hakeem , Duncan , Kobe ,
Dr J , Isiah , Lebron James
and maybe Shaquille O’Neil
TIER THREE
Steph Curry , Jokic , Durant ,
Nash , Stockton , Rodman ,
Dominique , Barkley , Worthy ,
Baby Bird , Drexler , Pistol
Pete , Reggie Miller , Pippen ,
Karl Malone , Elgin Baylor ,
Bob Cousy , Alan Iverson ,
Young Walton , George Gervin ,
Dirk Nowitski , Dwayne Wade
and David Robinson .
TIER FOUR
Everyone else
wait wait wait,your not putting steph in tier 2?
or kareem,wilt,or james in one?
@@itzkhiiii steph curry is
a one trick pony in a soft
league …. without the
three , Curry would have
to buy a seat to the NBA !
@@itzkhiiii
James is lucky he’s
in tier two … there
is no Player today
in the top 10 !
@@itzkhiiii
No disrespect to Kareem
or Wilt ! They are in great
company in tier two ! Both
are top ten players , yet ,
still behind Bird , Jordan
and Magic !
Watch 3 videos on Bird. 1. Magic vs Bird a courtship of rivals. 2. NBA legends explain why Bird was so feared. 3. Larry Bird greatest trash talking. That will tell you everything you need to know about Bird.
bett
Bird was doing what Jordan did years earlier
Larry is the sf goat
In my RUclips research Pistol Pete Maravich was the greatest college player of all time. That’s a fun video to watch. Averaged over 40 pts per game each year he was a starter throughout college, all without a 3 point line.
very impressive, might have to do a video on that
Tier One: Larry, MJ, Magic
Tier Two: Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Duncan, Dr. J, Barkley, Kobe
Tier Three: Dominque, Pippin, Oscar, Pete, McHale, DJ, Gervin, LeBron, KD, West, Robinson, Clyde, Stockton, Hakeem
Tier Four: Walton, Baylor, Cousey, Jokic (He may move up, right now he's here). Luka (same), Worthy, Parish, Miller, Malone, Shaq.
(I haven't watched AI, Nash, Peirce, and Dirk play really...they will be added when I watch them, but I feel they should be mentioned)
Tier Five: the rest.
Curry is a great shooter...what else can he do?
Might have missed some players. It's not intentional. Going off memory and my memory is stuck in the "80's on occasion
curry is a great playmaker,a average defender, and he can get others involved just like an elite point guard
The thing about the all star stuff, is this gen doesn’t care or take that stuff serious and see it as a vacation so to you guys it shouldn’t matter either. Our generation were competitive in EVERYTHING. Those boys took those small competitions/games serious because bragging rights mattered
Thats why i loved the allstar games back then compared to now
@@itzkhiiii oh man it’s crazy, pull up a full AS game from the early 90’s and just look at the effort being put in on both sides the ball. More effort and taken more serious than a lot of regular season games in the league now tbh.
I saw the 96 all star game,those guys played like it was there last game ever
LISTEN MEKHI, LARRY BIRD WAS THE ALPHA DOG IN THE 80'S. FROM DAY ONE!!! BIRD WOULD GIVE IT TO EVERYONE ANY WAY HE WANTED TO.
hey,i completely agree and i have him top 5 and my all time starting 5
If you haven't watched the 1992 Dream Team, its really great.
i plan on watching it
i could react to it
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Hi bro, fromThailand.
hey man,how are you doing?
You dont have to think he is the best...
I just love seeing young people actually knowing and appriciating Larry.
He is pretty much the ONLY guy who is *LITERALLY* one of the best players to ever lace em up who barely get ANY credit these days.
You guys wouldnt even know who Jordan or Lebron was if it wasnt for Larry and Magic.
That alone is enough to expect EVERY basketball ´fan to know their legacy.
College would be Pistol Pete Maravich if we were talking best college player.
The dunk contest is not the same as th 3 points contest.
The Dunk contest is about showing off... just cuz you cant make a 360 spin before you down the ball doesnt mean you automatically the better dunker.
Youre the *flashier* dunker... but it doesnt really impact the came.
Shooting three DOES impact the game, there is no "flash" about it, its just pure skill.
That said, I still think you should count the dunk contest.
It IS still something the give awards for and if they give awards it to count it.
Otherwise the award oesnt mean aything.
okay good point made,plus those events at that time were pretty new for them
I do not agree with comparing past “kings” with current “kings”, or “queens” in most sports. The medical, physical therapy, training technology, nutrition, and gear available at the times are way different. Not just a little different. A lot different. I gather rules have changed to try to protect players from severe injuries. Except possibly in women’s soccer. They seem to often get away with stepping on a player who is on the ground and have no consequences. I recently saw some clips of their blatant bad behavior. Didn’t even try to hide it. Bad behavior happens but injuries from it are usually less because they are trying not to get caught. The broads I saw didn’t care and, it seems, were not called out for it by refs. Lousy refs too.
Michael Jordan said that LarryBird had no weaknesses. He also said that he was glad LarryBird was retiring, because he was tired of getting beat. MJ never beat him in the playoffs, LarryBird box score was better, and MJ had a miserable regular season record against the Celtics. Clayton makes a point in another video, that if MJ was the greatest, but never beat LarryBird, what does that make LarryBird? Just sayin
what about in 92 when they played against each other in the olympics? bird said then that he was better,even when jordan scored 63 in boston he said he was the best player,if you ask bird he is going to say jordan is the greatest
Watch Bird vs Jordan the greatest story ever told
i already reacted to it,its on my channel
@@itzkhiiii yeah my bad I found it after the comment
its all good bro lol
Jordan has a losing record against Bird. MJ is a showboat. Bird was an all around player.
MJ never beat Bird in a playoff game. Not even when his body was broken, and Jordan had Pippen, did he get beat by him. MJ says he is the best. So...?
To top it off he swept MJ in the finals 2 years in a row. Don't get me wrong MJ was one of the best. But He didn't start winning ring until Larry and Magic were at the end of their careas .
i can agree to that,but that still dosent discredit the things jordan did during that time and after
WELL YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE 3 POINT SHOT WAS NOT EVEN PAINTED ON THE COURT UNTIL BIRDS ROOKIE YEAR. 80'S PLAYERS NEVER SHOT 3 POINTERS IN HIGH SCHOOL OR COLLEGE! YES IT WAS A BIG DEAL!
yea,and it was very new to them too so you have a point
Jordan never beat bird in the playoffs even after pippin joined him. Bird swept MJ and again with pippin back to back. Check out Jordan vs. Bird video stats and facts doesn't lie.
Bird missed one clutch shot. Jordan missed many game winners.
jordan also MADE many game winners as well,it may have not been to the buzzer, but it was game winners since he would hit the shot then defend the other team til the buzzer
FYI, no one respects Isiah Thomas. He is definitely a Jordan hater. Watch the dream team documentary and I believe it elaborates on it, I believe.
i might react to it
JORDAN NEVER BEAT BIRD. IN PLAYOFFS BIRD SWEPT JORDAN TWO YEARS IN A ROW.
i agree with you the 3 point contest probably should not be included just what you did in regular games
yea idk,someone said in the comments that back then it was way more competitive than it is now
MJ is the undisputable GOAT and then comes Kareem, Larry and Magic, Kobe and then the others. Of course Bird is better than james, by far i would say. Larry is te best All-around player and the best SF ever. But yes, Michael Jordan is the GOAT.
i agree
M j never beat larry bird. Look it up please.
If you go by who has won more ... Jordan isn't the best. Bill Russell is the best. Jordan 6. Bill 11.
true but Bill Russell was not even the best player on the team,yea he had defense but he lacked an offensive game,not saying that MJ is a better defender but at his prime he was the best offensive,defensive AND he was winning
@@itzkhiiii That wasn't the argument. It was, "Who had one more." That makes Russell the GOAT.
Using wins, isn't good metrics. Robert Parish won more rings than Larry, his former team mate. Would you put him before Larry? Flipside, does the fact Dominque Wilkins and Charles Barkley are bad players and sit at the bottom of tier lists because they didn't win chips?
Chips is a factor, but not the only one. The fact MJ never won in the playoffs against Bird says alot, especially when MJ put 63 points in one of those losses. What does that make Larry?
at the same time using that argument about jordan losing against bird in the playoffs is unfair and lacks context due to the competition jordan was going against,birds team at that time was more seasoned and won championships prior to that series,there was no way jordan was going to beat that team,he even said in the interview before the game that one man can beat the boston celtics,winning is a big thing but its not everything and its discredited more and more as the years gon by
@@itzkhiiii And Larry was impressed by MJ. I just get mad when people say chips are the end all. Larry only won three, but he won 3 in era dominated by elite star studded teams. Especially the Lakers.
Going back to Russell, was all of his wins really that special? I don't know. I will never know. but 11 is still impressive.
yea you have a point,cause no one is gonna win 11 championships 8 straight
I don't respect Isiah either
You put larry last time at top 10. But right know you put him at top 5.why?
well because when you look at the resume and his peak,he played so much better than his peers,the only thing he lacked was winning(and longevity)
@@itzkhiiii
What do you mean winning.?
All wanted to do is win every game.
yea thats what he wanted but that wasnt always the case,i used to put magic over him because he beat larry more but now i put bird over magic
@@itzkhiiii
Sweet my friend.
A. B. From Australia.
Were do you call home.?
im in texas man nice to meet you and hope to see more of you,i got a new video about kyrie irving you should check it out
Magic has not accomplished more. Try again.
(more rings) and thats where i was getting at,ring culture was a big thing back then,so if you weren’t winning rings fr at that time,you are forgotten
You kids are so convinced that MJ was a horrible teamste. You are a soft generation. He was a tough SOB as a leader who got the job done. Its called war and MJ was a 5 star general who led from the front. I wasnt an MJ fan but thank God I grew up before this marshmallow barbie generation. Bird is my guy, ice water in his veigns.
you can be a leader without being an a hole and disrespectful, mj is my favorite player but the way he went about certain things i didnt like.For example, he starved horace grant because he had a bad game.Like what??
That was an isolated situation. Picture this, MJ is your captain and he tells you that you don't deserve to eat. What do you do? Do you cowardly just sit there in shame or do you punch him in the face? He did what he had to do to get the dog out of everyone so that they were never bullied by other teams like they did early against Detroit. Even Steve Kerr knew psychologically he couldn't let MJ punk him and swung at MJ in practice and I believe even Wennington or Longley had their scraps with MJ. MJ respected them after. MJ could never do the same to Rodman because Rodman already gave maximum effort, what else could MJ get out of him? Every time I got into a fight in school or in the street we tended to end up friends at least respecting each other a bit more.
ig man,i mean there are other stories where mj was not a good teammate and crossed the line numerous times,but in terms of winning and his individual talent and play,he was terrific as a teammate