60009 Union of South Africa - ELR 22/12/19 Incident
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60009 Union of South Africa - ELR 22/12/19 Incident
Crew look to have forgot to remove the carriage clips before pulling away. 
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Being a volunteer on the Severn Valley Railway Bewdley carriage department this is one of those moments we would dread.
Hello From South Australia... I was a volunteer back in 1989 in Bewdley when I was 16... fond memories :)
Snap.....LNER Group at Bewdley!
Love the Severn valley live right next to It
why?
@@stevenbanaan Would you have them sent to the Gulag?
“You have caused confusion and delay” As the controller walked in.
Euston...we have a problem.
Godamn it 🤣🤣
You don't seem to understand the joke. And it's Houston.
@@nicospilt I know the original is Houston [we have the problem]. Although I don't know the origins of the joke. However what I do know is that there is a station in London called Euston. I daresay at some point in her life 60009 has visited the station.
Yes I understand the joke. But YpmoY doesn't.
@@tom201090 The phrase "Houston, we've had a problem" was originally spoken from the Apollo 13 mission to mission control in Houston, Texas. The problem in question was an explosion which led to the mission being aborted.
Oh dear, there’s gonna be some paper work that’s gonna need filling in
Main thing, no one was hurt and hopefully learned from the mistake and set up a system to prevent it happening again.
Set up a system to stop it happening again? It's hardly a new invention that needs new ways of working set up around it. It's more than likely standard human error, someone forgot to check something that they check hundreds of times every year
Now that is what I call confusion and delay...
toby070 Yep
Thanks Toby what would we do with out you
The fat controller laughed. You are right.
Love the "Oh S**t" moment with accompanied head scratching at 0.47.
0:42
You have to timestamp to the beginning of what you are talking about, not to when it's over.
A better time code would be at 0:17.
For those making unpleasant comments below: a) the gangway should have been retracted and hooked back into place, b) the adaptor clips should have been pinned back out of the way - usually adapter clips can be reversed for when you couple two adapted BS gangways together. This should have been checked in the morning by whoever did the fitness to run examination. And c) whoever uncoupled the locomotive should have checked that it was properly clear. Ideally, the gangway should have had an end board fitted, there should be a pair kept in the coach. So it is not a 'simple mistake' but a combination of examples of lax practice. This is why I wont fit gangway adapters to my BS gangway coaches. It is also why the railway inspectors are taking a closer look at heritage railways. If you can't do something simple like the above, what does it say about safety management in general? These 'simple mistakes' can, and have, lead to deaths on heritage railways.
It appears the Union of South Africa had a nasty Separation.
Show me someone who has never made a mistake and I'll show you someone who does f**k all
Nathan it is such a shame that the gene pool has not been kind to you. It is not as simple as a "mistake".There is no excuse for this happening. The crew are supposed to ensure the clips were disconnected. It is in safety rules applicable to all trains, even wankfest steam excursion trains. and given how many railways do not like steam trains on their lines due to delays and breakdowns, the checks should have been even more stringent..
@@125sloth No it is just a simple mistake.
Brian Sloth technically it was nothing to do with the crew, they recon one of the hooks normally used to lock the walkways together dropped down locking it in place
@@tgm9991 The possibility of people being injured is not a simple mistake. people have been seriously injured from. "simple mistakes". May I suggest you research some rail investigation reports where a similar thing has happened, and these incidents are taken very seriously. Just driving that loco off like nothing happened was a breach of basic safety rules. Photographs should have been taken straight after the incident for a start, not only from platform but from other angles from the tracks, but the "staff" just stood about wondering what to do. The up side is that this video would be with investigators by now, just lucky it was caught on video, and a few backsides will be getting kicked in the future for not complying with proper procedures after this incident. But what would I know. I have only been involved it rail investigations for decades. And I am not going to enter into arguments with armchair experts so this is the end of my input, except to say if steam enthusiast groups want to run trains on main lines, study up on procedures to be followed in potentially serious incidents. And this was potentially serious due to so many people being on the platform. It was just good luck it panned out the way it did.
@@125sloth You named it right: What would you know...!? Being involved in outstandingly important things for countless decades made you perfect person obviously not much smarter. These guys just made one simple mistake not to separate the walkways when disconnected so a hook was able to fall back in place. I'm convinced that kind of embarrasment won't happen again to them. Yelling around hysterically like you do however will harm historic train operations potentially more than this little mishap ever could.
"You silly great engine." said Union's driver. "Now the coach will have to be repaired, and we don't have any spares to replace it with. It serves you right for being so impatient"
And as the passengers laughed, Union slipped away in embarrassment, knowing her driver was right.
😂😂😂
And then the Fat Controller came...followed by the RAIB.
Jesus thomas fanboy
Someone will be receiving a 'Please explain'.
Those moments when saying "Oops" just doesn't cut it.
The crewman's little walk of shame as the kids giggle in the background is too perfect.
Wait till the Fat Controller hears about this, He will be very cross
That Stove R is like a clingy girlfriend.
"This just in: Workman Strangled to death by angry railfans"
Railfans that make no mistakes because they do very little perhaps?
More like a rather miffed number 9's owner chases the crew with a shovel! 😂
People dont look ' Chuffed ! ' at all ...
As if 60009 hasn't had enough on her plate the past couple months.
As far as I can see the train has not got a vagina (nice 37 though)
@@wilfbm9067 Always refer to machinery as female. Because there temperamental and have a time of the month.
I know they were trying to run around the train and not pull it but this gives me the thought of the coaches going "hold back, hold back"
🤣🤣🤣That's only for wagons.......oh wait.
They weren't running around. The Santa's are top n tailed with a diesel. It was just going for water.
0:21 Oh my god that’s something that we never ever seen before a carriage being ripped out and causing the damage to 60009s tender
Luckily it seems to be minimal damage, nothing that would cut the trip short.
I volunteered at a small 3 foot gauge railroad on the East Coast of the USA and managed something similar once... there were two safety chains that would clip between an open air car and a coach we would run in our normal consist. At the end of the Summer we would cut out the open air car because nobody wants to sit in the open when it's cold out. Forgot to undo those chains while switching out the cars and ripped the handrails right off the coach.
They enforced the "You broke it, you fix it" rule on me that day. Never did that one again.
This must have been disappointing if you were looking to capture a train leaving the station.
The coaches: HOLD BACK, HOLD BACK.
Union of South Africa: *PULLS TO HARD*
Tender: I... can’t.... hold this... any longer *snap*
“Oh heck.”
- Union of South Africa
The couplings between the tender and coach number 1 has sanpped 😢
Got to ask why even attach a van vestibule to an A4 tender vestibule? it's not non stop Kings Cross to Edinburgh is it, just a short preserved line who needs to walk through? sorry if that offends?
Union of South Africa : oh.. the in dignity.... 🤦♂️'
Express Coming throouuugghh
Ok. Gordon we all know and love. But the Union of South Africa is a relative of Spencer
@@Hawkers02 At least they are RELATIVES of the LNER
Gorden:do I look like a joke to you
Locomotive at 1:12 be like : "If we move slow enough nobody even notices we´re gone"
J
I don't understand why the corridor connection were coupled in the first instance, because there was no need for them to be.
Same here, but I hink there are regulations about stuff like this. Therefor I'm guessing the corridor's have to be connected if possible.
I would have thought they will have to be connected. LMS stock has a clasp hook in it and there's no many of those left about nowadays.
According to initial investigations, one of the corridor clips somehow managed to get snagged despite them being decoupled. Note how it only pulls on the right side of UoSA's corridor, not the left.
You are correct in your assertion about being connected in terms of the passenger carriages, but there would have been no necessity to couple to the locomotive in this particular instance, because there would be no operational requirements, in fact in this instance it would be a real hindrance for the crew.
I do speak with some experience as a footplate man myself.
@@charlesadams4612 It is a simple question of clearance. or lack of it. Even when hooked bacck the standard gangway and pullman gangway may impingre wren running. Safest to couple gangway so long as you remember to un clip it.
Was the Loco Going Back on Shed or was it Leaving on a train. look as if the Carriage cam of the worst,
I'm surprised to see a knuckle coupler under the tender. Do they use knuckle couplers in England now?
I've seen photos of BR MK.I coaches with knuckle couplers. I think they call them Buckeye couplers over there. From what I've read, they're designed so that they can use either the knuckle coupler or a screwlink coupler (I'm American, so not calling it a coupling). Not too sure on the details myself, or what benefits a knuckle had over a screwlink. Perhaps drawing the train tight and eliminating slack is just quicker with knuckle? Screwlinks had a threaded screw in them to draw the cars tight.
With a creak and a crack the connection gave way
Let's hope it doesn't happen to any other A4s. And the 4014 Big Boy as well
Forgot to undo the gang way clips when uncoupling
Now you got yourself a Non-Gangway Mk1 Coach
So Tender was repaired November due to axlebox issue, then there was a repeat of same issue 6th December so whole lot was moved and multiple repairs made, now this today!
That a4 should have stayed in its LNER livery
Amtrakfan 406 I can’t believe the damn owner wants it plonked in a glorified barn he dares to call a museum, in the middle of nowhere on his farm in Scotland! NRM are bad enough with their policies but this just takes the actual mickey out of us enthusiasts.
@@amtrakfan4068 No, they look better in BR green.
Mervyn Partin I kind like the LNER LIVERY BETTER
Mervyn Partin I’m with you on this one, I prefer BR Green.
Oh my best brake coach
'No matter how much you make me; I'm not going!'
Nice one mate i was there the day before looks like i picked the wrong day LOL cheers Steve ..
0:17 Luckily, no one was hurt. But the front of the coach was badly damaged.
Coach itself looks fine, just the diaphram was damaged.
So how do carriage clips work between the corridor tender and the coach? That's something I've never seen before.
now, if we could recreate this in trainz a new era...
I recognise that station. I was there to see the Scotsman three years ago.
“DAMMIT LARRY, YOU’VE DONE IT SGAIN”
Some form 1s gonna be getting dished out I reckon?
Most of all let's hope none of the customers were hit by the flying debris. Never mind the poor tender, it doesn't feel pain.
Heard about that.... she always seems to play up before expiry date so she’s granted another year
This loco does seem to be rather accident (or incident)-prone lately. This one could have been nasty with all those people milling around on the platform, if bits of the connection had flown off as it broke.
This is probably the steam engine equivalent to pulling a hangnail off and it goes to far
Indeed
"that's a tender bender"
do they need one right at the tender?? is there a door for the conductor to open and check the level of water in the tender?
The corridor on the tender is for the crews to be swapped on long runs
@@bigchap5794 thank you. well, that kills that train of thought!
This is one accident that would not happen with U. S. passenger equipment. Coach diaphragms are sprung and just held together with pressure, and part automatically when the cars are separated. Now, Diesel locomotives are different. The chains between the walkways of an engine consist have a hooked connection, and if the engineer doesn't make sure they are disconnected before parting the units, the chains would pull the walkway rails down.
It's heritage stock from two different revenue companies back in the 20es to 40es. If the loco was hooked up to coaches of ist own company or post-nationalisation stock it would be the same, basically the loco part is the Pullman system from the U.S. Look carefully and you can even see the Janney knuckle on the loco swung away to use the conventional chain and hook coupler on the coach.
I have it on authority now that the shunting staff did not follow the correct procedure. Apparently the clips which make the connections, must be folded away and secured; this was not done and one of them swung round to fasten itself to the tender. The results of this are all too plain to see. At least it answers the question as to why the tender and the Stove R were connected.
It really is too bad.
Pullman adaptor clamps don't do that.
And on what "authority"
@@tgm9991 the owner of the vehicle, I know him personally.
The problem is Guards on heritage lines don’t often have to split coaches on some lines and it is something you need to do a number of times and regularly. Using Bs gangways even more of a issue.
I worked for the East Lancashire Railway on the carriages at the time this happened but wasn't aware of any video the people in the background I am deeply worried about as that gangway contained asbestos which will have been disturbed and made airborne the company is aware of this and kept quiet
The risk would have been minimal. You have to breath in vast quantities of asbestos dust to be at any risk.
oh no, that tender is the sole remaining large piece of the LNER W1 no.10000 in existence, the Union Of South Africa is my favorite A4 because of this, its her tender, thats why I love 60009.
I imagine the shunter is sent home with a note from the dispatcher... These things do happen especially on tight schedules and older unfamiliar equipment. It was why they brought in the unified pullman bar system that sealed the end pieces automatically on buckeye's and the carriage is lacking the pullman bar so had to be latched manually. No one hurt, easily repaired by a skilled machinist and engineer type bod.
The engine was uncoupled intentionally, they had forgotten to disconnect the far side gangway clip and that's what tore it when the loco went to leave for the depot
But all the air/vacuum/heating pipes and electrics are disconnected so what did some twit not do? And the lamp is correctly positioned.
I thought the same I take it it hadn't been coupled at all?
Thinking they had already uncoupled and forgot the concertina connection.
yeah we call them canopies,there clipped together and you put what we call a dummy door on them if there the last coach,we always double checked them to ensure the were released before giving the driver a hand signal to pull away slowly.
@@lincolnarmasols283 Shit happens..thankfully nobody near on the platform when they snapped....
@@choirboyfromhell1 yes that was the main thing no one injured
I saw this train in half
Just use some flex tape
Amazing Pete Waterman look-a-like at 1.21!!
Spitting image!
Once again it’s gone bad to worse for 60009
Poor 9. No wonder Cameron wants her back home...
Yeah no wonder
It's not the first time that has happened and I doubt it'll be the last.
Oops. At least the damage was minimum.
This literally calls for " caused confusion and delay" quite spectacularly as well. Looks like the RAIB will have a field day with this too.
Loco should NOT have drawn forward so soon after initial stop until incident properly assessed.
I know that sounds all very Safely Police, Rule Book & theoretical, but that action would DEFINITELY have been a Form 1 offence for Driver (or whoever gave the authority for loco to finally move away) under BR.
OH, FFS!, prof!
@@mikesamuels5087 Yeah, thought someone might say that - and to a degree you are right.
But think of Prof. James Reason's classic safety model on rail applied to this.
E.g. someone on the platform could have been metal-splinter injured.
The debris could have fouled the "Four Foot" in the other direction causing a derailment.
That Driver should NOT have moved until ALL circumstances were fully understood / Assessed.
We would not apply his / their action(s) in the aerospace industry on cost grounds alone!
So, with the greatest of respect, PLEASE understand.
Ann oops moment , did someone forget to unclip the corridor connectors ????
why is this door and corridor still used ?
If that wreckage had sheared over the platform and there were children there!
Why was ther corridor connection beieng used anyway, the train was hardly going for a jaunt up the ECML!
Doh..page 1...who trained him ?
I would have expected a member of the crew to at least come and take a look that it was now safe for the engine to proceed.
Amateurs they never even came back and took a look at the back of the tender..
Notice man in flat cap on platform reaching for his mobile phone, preparing to make a call he wished he didn’t have to! Woops!
Hey, man! Someone should get the sjambok for that!
Not quite the UNION of the coach Corridor connection and the Union of South Africa in harmony LOL
If that didn't hurt Union, I'd like to think this was a huge embarrassment for her. I mean right after stopping, she pretty much tried to hide in her own steam
At 1:25, F*ck this shit I'm out 😂
What a rip, that was.
footplate staff did not like ex west coast main line coaching stock. LOL
Glad I wasn’t rostered on the footplate that day
That could have been nasty and caused a serious injury on the platform. The clip that sprang off into the six foot was fortunate, if the one on the other side had done something similar it could have gone onto the platform where there were many small children standing quite close.
Indeed, very fortunate. The clip that flew did so with force. If that had hit someone in the head!!!
It could have been worse but good no one got hurt! Railways are more dangerous than people think and you need to respect big machinery like this and be sensible around them
I like how just after they rip the corridors off the coach, the locomotive just slowly keeps moving
I saw a similar incident with 4472 back in the 1960s at Carlisle...
Im sorry, but WHATT, scotsman went through the same thing? Damn
As we'd say in the Navy "It came orff in me 'and Chief" 🤣
The train was uncoupled but the corridor connection was coupled. The corridor isn’t strong enough to pull The coaches along.
Silly Union of South Africa. That coach must have been in pain and Union of South Africa must have been very embarrassed.
Oh no! That Carriage looks quit wrecked!
Not just the engine getting fired then
0:18 'Now THAT'S a Fender-Bender!'
I'm sorry but the way that driver briefly took his cap off and scratched his head when looking at the damage was quite a funny sight lol.
Ouch! That's not a quick fix. I suppose we all forget things sometimes. Certainly an "oh bugger" moment for them.
Glad no one on the station was hit by anything.
*_The Fat Controller was very cross!_*
True he's gonna be very cross with Spencer
I wonder how many times such thing happened in the past?
Pretty cool how you can walk through the tender 👍
They were intended for crew changes while the train was in motion... for instance like long express trains that didn’t stop very often like The Elizabethan or The Flying Scotsman
I told my friends that steam is power
I don’t know that had happened, when I visited the railway two days after Christmas Day.
"Luckily, no one was hurt"
But the coaches are damaged badly
I can hear curb your enthusiasm playing.
Why don’t they disconnect the canopies first before de coupling?
Jettera Ismabash there not connected the securing pin slipped
Not good and must be bit embarrassing! But why wasn't it coupled up to the train and how did it happen?
Matt Seymour It was coupled to the train but had been uncoupled to move off or run round. The clips on the wagon corridor should’ve been disconnected before the loco moved off.
@@juleshathaway3894 yeah I thought that may have been the case. Easy thing to forget
Is there a walkway through the whole tender? Imprrressive. The early Diesels in Denmark had an end door for access from the train, but they were never used.
Gresley designed a corridor tender so the crews could be changed while the train was in motion. it allowed non stop running from London to Edinburgh.
LUCKLY NOONE WAS HURT