I know. It almost sounds like what people are saying about trans women competing. That you are crushing the lives of all these women for the sake of a man. And they're supposed to just sit there and take it. Otherwise they're transphobic. It's ridiculous.
My sentiments exactly, it's hard not to see something was very wrong. Female swimmers with arms like Christmas hams and Adams apples. Yeah, nothing sus.😂😮😢
Yes, the problem with steroids is you can use them , bulk up, and then quit taking them before the competition, and you can't detect them. I suppose some American football players use them even now.
Well yes but the reasons behind it were not so well known, if they knew it was steroids believe me the USA would have given ANYTHING to defeat any athlete behind the iron curtain, and if we knew how effective those steroids were we would have used them (as many athletes and film stars did) ...but sometimes we still do.
Women 😂😂 ? Worse living 😂😂 so called free World Any an rapist/Scotland recently can say their a Woman In the Free World Biological women our essence as Women is being taken from us The worst part the usual tiny 10% are selling us out Media Big Corporations Politicans EU UN .....
The same happened to track and field women back then. An Australian woman named Raelene Boyle represented Australia in 3 Olympics and won 3 silver medals. She came 4th in the 100 meters, 2nd in the 200 meters in her first Olympics setting world records for juniors in both events. It was proven later on the East German athletes that beat her were on anabolic steroids programs.
@@Yahweh42069No, a metre is one thousand millimetres or one hundred centimetres, a meter is a device for measuring a unit or measuring out a unit of something, generally mechanical in its design. Or an American spelling simplification.
@@ladduncanDoping im Frauenschwimmen der DDR Search and translate it into English. I don't wanna Wikipedia, if you could find it. Use Qwant for research. French, free. Our german Lycos should be gone, because of 'Aunt Google'. Long time. Maybe Spiegel, maybe Stern. ( Political Magazines here) If you can't open it, search for a Bulgarian Swimmer around 1980 (Moscow), and a Chinese Swimmer around 1984 till 1992. Especially the Chinese had a massive back. If the whole back has the typical V-Look it is most times for sure a male pro! The back of the first lady shown here is not the slightest so wide like the Chinese was. 'She' was easy 1.85 Meter tall. Don't know the 5'6 or 6'1 rating like in your country. Sorry.
From Wikipedia: "On 28 June 2016, the German Bundestag passed the Second Doping Victims Assistance Act, establishing a 13.65 million euro fund to provide financial assistance to victims of doping in the former GDR. The act defines such athletes as victims who may be entitled to financial assistance if they have suffered significant health damage." You can bet on the fact that Germany will investigate crucially every single case before awarding funds. Whoch means that if there weren't such effects, there would have been no need for such a fund.
We assume that the individual’s well being is important. Not in East Germany, the Soviet Union and other east bloc countries. It was all for the state and anything you sacrificed for the state was considered your duty. The rest of the world suspected what was going on but didn’t have any evidence.
@rajeshkanungo6627 the same thing is happening today and people are cheerful about it. They have young teen girls taking testosterone and if you point out the horror of it, you're wrong. The same morons, the same stupidity.
If they knew the officials were not intervening, why would they do the same? Why would any rational individual put themselves at a disadvantage? Winning isn’t about morality. It’s about being better. This lady is simply crying about beaten by smarter, better athletes.
Saw Sharon do a talk recently in London!! Had the audience in the palm of her hand. Very well spoken lady and talks a lot of sense around this subject….
Canada in 1976 is remembered as the only country to host the Olympics and not win a gold medal. And yet it's not true. What is infuriating is that the Canadians who were kept off the podium bc of East German doping were never awarded metals after the fact.
After the records of doping came out the US filed an appeal with the IOC asking for the swimming medals for women to be redistributed. They were denied.
every member of public noticed and said it was strange, in Britain it was referenced numerous times in comedy shows, on the buses, only fools and horses, etc. The whole world acknowledged the manliness of them but no-one stopped it.
Sharon was robbed, her friends were robbed, the East German athletes were also robbed of their health, many were forced to take the drugs/ hormones. Of those who consented none knew the impact what they were taking on their health
@@rbrookebMany have died or suffered lifelong ill health. Just a few highlights of the effects of male hormones and other PEDs when administered to women: - Increased rates of cancer, especially in the female organs - Lifelong issues with joints, sometimes leading to mild disablement, difficulty walking, often occuring decades before they would've happened with normal aging - Permanent changes to things like voice and facial hair Additionally, many of these athletes carried guilt through their whole lives, knowing they'd been complicit in cheating or been victims of a corrupt government, or knowing their victories had been used as propaganda on behalf of evil regimes. Lastly, don't forget that in addition to the many women who competed and won medals, there are far more women who were drugged just as heavily, but never even made it to international competition because they weren't good enough or their bodies broke. Lots of victims from this and other PED programs.
Those of us who actually saw it then , it was absolutely obvious that they were doping, growing up in the animal industry, the difference between natural and hormones was evident in animals, so it was easy to see in body types
She said the hormones make a huge difference. And trans women have stronger limits on testosterone levels. Which is why they usually don't win at sports against cis women.
Men that LOOK like women? LOL! What is your definition of "woman?" If your definition of a is a man with lipstick and long hair, then yes, those men look like women.
@@killerbunny7206 Women are NOT low-testosterone versions of men. Men post-transition still have physiological and anatomical advantages over women. Also, they ARE winning competitions when allowed to compete. Just look at how many trans-identifying men have won cycling competitions, some of whom are in their 40’s.
Right!!!! Which is why allowing a man with a lifetime supply of testosterone compete in a women's division. Thank you for championing fair play for today's women!
Lifetime supply? You know the current IOC criteria for inclusion of transgender women in female sports categories require testosterone suppression below 10 nmol/L for 12 months prior to and during competition. On the hormone side the advantage is nihilated.
They were also professional athletes competing against amateurs. Chosen at age four or so, taken from their families and raised by the state in training camps. Doping was the least offensive thing done to them. These were victims.
Maybe not so much, during the cold war ANY child chosen for the Soviet athletics program was the dream of every parent, they were given special preferential treatment, better food and housing, got to meet important people, and were able to travel outside the Soviet bloc, and not only that, they were winning, and didn't know they were cheating. You know what other poor kids wound up doing? I've read enough about Soviet era life I can guess it was very unpleasant for most people, food shortages, government issues shoes, lines for toilet paper, electricity shortages, I bet the athletes lived much better lives. But I wasn't there, so maybe they were victims
@@BrianNatonski-wt3mvneh, throughout the mid to late stages, the experience of the average person in Eastern Germany wasn't "bad". Sure, you couldn't afford/ access most of the luxuries capitalism offered but as long as you didn't go against the grain, you'd be fed, housed, had access to -in some areas- cutting edge medical care, education and recreation. Your kids would be taken care of from an early age etc. My mom was born and raised in Eastern Germany and I had the chance to talk to a good many people her age and older, mostly the type to lead a boring life and not write books about it because they never really got into conflict with the regime or had anything "exiting" happen to them. There's a term for what a lot of people in that generation experience, "Ostalgie", which means feeling nostalgic for the USSR, often paired with saying "it wasn't all bad", which is almost a dog whistle for wanting a strict regime to "sort things out" at this point but I digress. My point is, having young children taken away and seemingly giving them a life of luxury in exchange for training hard and being away from family is questionable. What you can't see is that they didn't get proper education, have little say in their trajectory and presentation in the media, get used as propaganda machines and also have their physical and mental health wrecked by the training methods and doping. It's all propaganda in my opinion, they're a victim of an oppressive regime that does not take well to dissidents and uses it's stars to further its political agenda. If you're curious, something very similar is happening in china right now, where young, promising children are being put into training camps. A fraction makes it, the rest is discarded, left to figure out life while having forgone major educational milestones expected of them at their age.
@@BrianNatonski-wt3mvIf someone kidnapped you from your family at age ten and did the same for you, are you a victim or not? They could not say no once chosen.
@@thefrener794 given the chance at fame and fortune, with an entire government footing your food and rent, I'm sure they're not imprisoned, the one bad story I know was Bolshoi ballet premiere Maya plitseskaya (spelling?) Who was banned from travel after having an affair with a British govt attache, and she was the number one ballerina in all Russia, I'm sure the athletes get to see their families who are probably very proud of them, but victims? Yes if they're pumping experimental drugs into you
People actually did question it, but not to the extent that it was taken up by the Olympic Association. ‘Our girls’, like Sharon Davies, weren’t just supreme athletes, winners by fair means, everyone could see that they were also feminine. 🇬🇧
@@yveslafrance2806No, "trans" men are the ones pretending to be women. The ones you are thinking if are the women deluded into thinking that they are men. And no women cheats in sports by pretending to be a nan.
Well done Sharon for your post yet 40 years later we were expected to accept that Kia Thomas is a woman 😂 beating Riley Gaines fair and square to US Womens Title 😮 Thankfully the Olympic Committee grew a pair (just like Thomas) WOKE up and banned trans athletes from competing against Women rather than return to those dark days!
There are 26 states that now have laws against these ladyboys competing against women. This abomination is almost over. Get the other 24 states with the same laws. Any man who wants to compete against women should be disqualified because of mental disease. Gone. And the Olympics should be banned immediately.
First of all, the trans athletes aren't doing that much better especially on the world level and secondly more and more international sports don't allow them to compete. Logic has prevailed, time to move on.
@@martls6logic has not prevailed. The men pretending to be women are disproportionately beating women on an international scale. Not enough International bodies have banned men competing.
Firstly she’s British not American so I’m not seeing the relevance. Secondly while individual US athletes have certainly doped there wasn’t a govt approved, compulsory, state-run program like there was in the DDR.
Which doesn't make the equivalent programmes which existed in the US any less culpable. The sponsored doping which was most évident in the successive teams led by Armstrong are evidence of that.
@@Gerhold102but the program used by Armstrong was known to Armstrong and he ok'd it. He worked with corporate people to mask the drugs used. It was done with his full knowledge and approval. The Soviet Bloc athletes had no idea what was being done to them, they were told they were getting vitamins. The Russian state still has a state run program in place that not only drugs their athletes but also finds ways to mask the drugs in their system. That's why they are banned from many sports even before the invasion of Ukraine. Remember that 16 year old figure skater? The USA team in ice skating STILL haven't received their medals they won because the various committees can't get their shit together and make an official determination
@@PaulHussey01How is it not relevant? There's no difference. The US had programs, you think the companies that do the development are not backed up? If it is called a government program in the DDR where there weren't private companies or "programs" through companies, labs etc, there's no difference. Not to mention that the rules usually allow whatever the US athletes are taking while banning the older stuff. Which world did you live in? The one where the DDR is a global power? This woman may be from the UK, but she should be talking about all the doped athletes, not just the DDR. I won't even start about how great it is to have someone from Africa win your medals in running or Chinese in mathematics... There's no fairness in sport, it's a money machine.
The reason no one said 'it's strange" is because literally everyone on earth knew what was happening. It's only "strange" if it's confusing or if you can't explain it. But this was the worst kept secret in sports.
Even though I agree and I’m with you 100%, I’m pretty sure that’s now how they meant the 9%. They don’t mean they can turn a 60 second swimmer into a 55 second swimmer. No doping can be that significant. What they likely meant is that if you took an expected improvement of 0.60 without doping, they could increase that by 9% to 0.65 seconds with doping.
I remember seeing a show about this. A lot of those gymnasts etc had their bodies destroyed by the drugs they were given and suffered for the rest of their lives. Funny how no-one mentions this when they talk about "modifying" children
The sad thing is even the East German sportsman and girls did not know that they were doped (not all of them). They were told to take their vitamins. But, actually there are other reasons why they performed so well. Winning medals was a big goal in the GDR. So at an early stage they put all the effort in with best trainers, including the science, best equipment, and so on. They startet spotting for talents at an very early stage and promoted them. So sport was a really big thing, also at school.
There were widespread doping in most countries at that time, a Swedish discus thrower was a vivid doping taker until it was forbidden(Ricky Buch), weight lifters ate steroids like tic tacs in the 70s. All of them. Wrestlers took all sorts of "medication" and a lot of them are dead before they turn 60.
I remember when East Germany competed in the Olympics. I always assumed they were doping, I always got that vague impression from the commentators, but I'm American, not British so perhaps American commentators were more willing to talk about this
Lol “Nobody was saying hmmm that’s strange.” It was talked about a lot here in Australia because swimming is something we excel at. Comedians were making fun of the fact that the German female athletes all looked like they were on the gear.
It's still happening. I was 1 of 4 top competitors in a competition. 2 of us went stratospheric 2 of us stayed as great also rans. The other two, it turns out, were taking equine steroids. Fellow Olympians gave me the details many years later. The super expensive science countries still do it. They stay ahead of the monitors.
There's a documentary about it and the woman who beat her was really ill and said take the medal. And you can see she really wanted to but knew how bad it would have looked.
Yeeeeees! Thank-you for bringing this into the modern consciousness of this current context. It is extremely relevant in many ways - in terms of the effects of hormones on the human body for young people, the devastating effects on all sides of this in any sort of competitive context and so much more in terms of the human social and emotional impacts beyond that. This history should be teaching us.
I lived in small eastern European town and even teenage rowers who just started to compete on local level would get bottle of pills without any writing on it and coaches instructions when to take it.
Ask those athletes today, - my bad they died of cancer ( not related to medicinal treatments of course ) . But if you ask one of the surviving bearded ladies, they would answer that they had no idea what they were doing, what all those vitamin pills supposed to do or why they regularly got injections. It wasn’t their fault, it was the system. No need to object or think, just do what you’re told
She's wrong about one thing -- everybody thought it was strange back then. The old National Lampoon magazine had a cover once that showed a supposed East German woman athlete with large breasts and a long bulge in her shorts. And standup comedians joked about these athletes on The Tonight Show. It was an open secret they were doping heavily.
American sprinters in the 70s and 80s didn't take doping? They were so boosted that they glowed at night, like the nuclear power plant in Chernobyl just after the explosion.
We in Montreal at the 1976 games knew there was a problem. All the east German womens swim team were bigger and stronger than the starting linebackers of our Montreal Alouettes football team and they were put in a photo display in the Montreal Gazette. The Olympic committee chose not to sèe the cheating.
That last sentence is the saddest thing. They changed people entire lives by cheating.
I know. It almost sounds like what people are saying about trans women competing. That you are crushing the lives of all these women for the sake of a man. And they're supposed to just sit there and take it. Otherwise they're transphobic. It's ridiculous.
Are you a competitor? Doping among athletes has been a way of life for decades.
USA is still doing it
Thing about the guinea pigs they did it to. Being behind the wall, they couldn't even speak up if they wanted to
And no one cares…. Shocking stuff
We did say that was strange. The people in charge let it happen anyway. Just like the people in charge today.
My sentiments exactly, it's hard not to see something was very wrong. Female swimmers with arms like Christmas hams and Adams apples. Yeah, nothing sus.😂😮😢
They had to have proof and when they did, it was all stripped away but not soon enough to fix the non-doped.
Yes, the problem with steroids is you can use them , bulk up, and then quit taking them before the competition, and you can't detect them. I suppose some American football players use them even now.
@allisonkelly7073 If they had arms that big, they would not swim well. There technique would be all off.
@@kurtgreaser988 not if they trained that way and they did. The results were visible in their arms, chest and back.
We all knew... Everybody that has ever played sports took one look at them women and they knew
Exactly. The Stereotype of Helga, the bearded East German / Soviet Olympian, exists for a reason
@@realMaverickBuckleyRaka Slatmock, the famous East-German moped-wrestler..
Well yes but the reasons behind it were not so well known, if they knew it was steroids believe me the USA would have given ANYTHING to defeat any athlete behind the iron curtain, and if we knew how effective those steroids were we would have used them (as many athletes and film stars did) ...but sometimes we still do.
@@BrianNatonski-wt3mvat least they were still women, unlike all the men playing women’s sports in the USA today
Women 😂😂 ? Worse living 😂😂 so called free World Any an rapist/Scotland recently can say their a Woman In the Free World Biological women our essence as Women is being taken from us The worst part the usual tiny 10% are selling us out Media Big Corporations Politicans EU UN .....
The same happened to track and field women back then. An Australian woman named Raelene Boyle represented Australia in 3 Olympics and won 3 silver medals. She came 4th in the 100 meters, 2nd in the 200 meters in her first Olympics setting world records for juniors in both events. It was proven later on the East German athletes that beat her were on anabolic steroids programs.
Her cousin Susan Boyle broke records of her own
*metres
@@nothing0062metre vs meter is a regional difference
@@Yahweh42069No, a metre is one thousand millimetres or one hundred centimetres, a meter is a device for measuring a unit or measuring out a unit of something, generally mechanical in its design.
Or an American spelling simplification.
We all knew at home and couldn't understand why it was allowed. The women forced to take those drugs had a very hard time trying to have children.
I wonder if they had massive health problems as a result of the doping… any records of that?
@@ladduncanDoping im Frauenschwimmen der DDR
Search and translate it into English. I don't wanna Wikipedia, if you could find it.
Use Qwant for research. French, free.
Our german Lycos should be gone, because of 'Aunt Google'. Long time.
Maybe Spiegel, maybe Stern. ( Political Magazines here)
If you can't open it, search for a Bulgarian Swimmer around 1980 (Moscow),
and a Chinese Swimmer around 1984 till 1992.
Especially the Chinese had a massive back.
If the whole back has the typical V-Look it is most times for sure a male pro!
The back of the first lady shown here is not the slightest so wide like the Chinese was.
'She' was easy 1.85 Meter tall. Don't know the 5'6 or 6'1 rating like in your country. Sorry.
From Wikipedia: "On 28 June 2016, the German Bundestag passed the Second Doping Victims Assistance Act, establishing a 13.65 million euro fund to provide financial assistance to victims of doping in the former GDR. The act defines such athletes as victims who may be entitled to financial assistance if they have suffered significant health damage."
You can bet on the fact that Germany will investigate crucially every single case before awarding funds. Whoch means that if there weren't such effects, there would have been no need for such a fund.
We assume that the individual’s well being is important. Not in East Germany, the Soviet Union and other east bloc countries. It was all for the state and anything you sacrificed for the state was considered your duty. The rest of the world suspected what was going on but didn’t have any evidence.
@rajeshkanungo6627 the same thing is happening today and people are cheerful about it. They have young teen girls taking testosterone and if you point out the horror of it, you're wrong. The same morons, the same stupidity.
We knew it at the time Sharron but no one would stick their heads above the battlements.
If they knew the officials were not intervening, why would they do the same? Why would any rational individual put themselves at a disadvantage? Winning isn’t about morality. It’s about being better. This lady is simply crying about beaten by smarter, better athletes.
I was around at that time and from what I remember, everyone thought it was strange. Also with athletes across the board.
Saw Sharon do a talk recently in London!! Had the audience in the palm of her hand. Very well spoken lady and talks a lot of sense around this subject….
Sharon is a real feminist...
And a good looking bird too! 😍
Canada in 1976 is remembered as the only country to host the Olympics and not win a gold medal. And yet it's not true. What is infuriating is that the Canadians who were kept off the podium bc of East German doping were never awarded metals after the fact.
After the records of doping came out the US filed an appeal with the IOC asking for the swimming medals for women to be redistributed. They were denied.
Shazza my childhood crush … still is 😁 amazin lady in an out of the pool. Champion 💪
Sharon Davies came to my middle school something I've just remembered this minute.
She was pure class.
Sharron has written a great book about this subject and the current trans situation in woman's sport....well worth a read!
What is the book called?
@@FrostyViper94"Unfair Play"
@@mariejehanne3083 Thank you.
every member of public noticed and said it was strange, in Britain it was referenced numerous times in comedy shows, on the buses, only fools and horses, etc. The whole world acknowledged the manliness of them but no-one stopped it.
Just look in the mirror, you look good at your age. They're dead.
That doesn't change that she was robbed.
Sharon was robbed, her friends were robbed, the East German athletes were also robbed of their health, many were forced to take the drugs/ hormones. Of those who consented none knew the impact what they were taking on their health
Are they really dead?
@@rbrookeb Yup, they were pumped full of steroids for years. There was a PBS doc. on the subject a few years ago. A lot of organ failure I believe.
@@rbrookebMany have died or suffered lifelong ill health. Just a few highlights of the effects of male hormones and other PEDs when administered to women:
- Increased rates of cancer, especially in the female organs
- Lifelong issues with joints, sometimes leading to mild disablement, difficulty walking, often occuring decades before they would've happened with normal aging
- Permanent changes to things like voice and facial hair
Additionally, many of these athletes carried guilt through their whole lives, knowing they'd been complicit in cheating or been victims of a corrupt government, or knowing their victories had been used as propaganda on behalf of evil regimes.
Lastly, don't forget that in addition to the many women who competed and won medals, there are far more women who were drugged just as heavily, but never even made it to international competition because they weren't good enough or their bodies broke. Lots of victims from this and other PED programs.
Those of us who actually saw it then , it was absolutely obvious that they were doping, growing up in the animal industry, the difference between natural and hormones was evident in animals, so it was easy to see in body types
80s: get cheated by women looking like men
2020s: get cheated by men looking like women
She said the hormones make a huge difference. And trans women have stronger limits on testosterone levels. Which is why they usually don't win at sports against cis women.
Men that LOOK like women? LOL! What is your definition of "woman?"
If your definition of a is a man with lipstick and long hair, then yes, those men look like women.
@@killerbunny7206 Women are NOT low-testosterone versions of men. Men post-transition still have physiological and anatomical advantages over women. Also, they ARE winning competitions when allowed to compete. Just look at how many trans-identifying men have won cycling competitions, some of whom are in their 40’s.
@@DeepSeas.. can you name one professional cycling race were this was the case ?
Yep and women sports are being assaulted again
Yes, Jamaica needs a bit of investigation, now that we're rid of Bolt, and Mo Salah😅
Same evil socialists still behind it.
rid of bolt?@@joegreen2750
Right!!!! Which is why allowing a man with a lifetime supply of testosterone compete in a women's division.
Thank you for championing fair play for today's women!
Lifetime supply? You know the current IOC criteria for inclusion of transgender women in female sports categories require testosterone suppression below 10 nmol/L for 12 months prior to and during competition.
On the hormone side the advantage is nihilated.
@@hansmikesen6355 a male does not lose the benefit of the lifetime supply of T in a year.
@@hansmikesen6355many effects of testosterone are permanent. Their skeleton and heart do not shrink back to female size etc etc
the East German comment was if you’re not cheating you’re not trying
They were also professional athletes competing against amateurs. Chosen at age four or so, taken from their families and raised by the state in training camps. Doping was the least offensive thing done to them.
These were victims.
Maybe not so much, during the cold war ANY child chosen for the Soviet athletics program was the dream of every parent, they were given special preferential treatment, better food and housing, got to meet important people, and were able to travel outside the Soviet bloc, and not only that, they were winning, and didn't know they were cheating. You know what other poor kids wound up doing? I've read enough about Soviet era life I can guess it was very unpleasant for most people, food shortages, government issues shoes, lines for toilet paper, electricity shortages, I bet the athletes lived much better lives. But I wasn't there, so maybe they were victims
@@BrianNatonski-wt3mvneh, throughout the mid to late stages, the experience of the average person in Eastern Germany wasn't "bad". Sure, you couldn't afford/ access most of the luxuries capitalism offered but as long as you didn't go against the grain, you'd be fed, housed, had access to -in some areas- cutting edge medical care, education and recreation. Your kids would be taken care of from an early age etc. My mom was born and raised in Eastern Germany and I had the chance to talk to a good many people her age and older, mostly the type to lead a boring life and not write books about it because they never really got into conflict with the regime or had anything "exiting" happen to them. There's a term for what a lot of people in that generation experience, "Ostalgie", which means feeling nostalgic for the USSR, often paired with saying "it wasn't all bad", which is almost a dog whistle for wanting a strict regime to "sort things out" at this point but I digress.
My point is, having young children taken away and seemingly giving them a life of luxury in exchange for training hard and being away from family is questionable. What you can't see is that they didn't get proper education, have little say in their trajectory and presentation in the media, get used as propaganda machines and also have their physical and mental health wrecked by the training methods and doping. It's all propaganda in my opinion, they're a victim of an oppressive regime that does not take well to dissidents and uses it's stars to further its political agenda.
If you're curious, something very similar is happening in china right now, where young, promising children are being put into training camps. A fraction makes it, the rest is discarded, left to figure out life while having forgone major educational milestones expected of them at their age.
@@BrianNatonski-wt3mvIf someone kidnapped you from your family at age ten and did the same for you, are you a victim or not? They could not say no once chosen.
@@thefrener794 given the chance at fame and fortune, with an entire government footing your food and rent, I'm sure they're not imprisoned, the one bad story I know was Bolshoi ballet premiere Maya plitseskaya (spelling?) Who was banned from travel after having an affair with a British govt attache, and she was the number one ballerina in all Russia, I'm sure the athletes get to see their families who are probably very proud of them, but victims? Yes if they're pumping experimental drugs into you
You can't be a professional in a communist country!
People actually did question it, but not to the extent that it was taken up by the Olympic Association. ‘Our girls’, like Sharon Davies, weren’t just supreme athletes, winners by fair means, everyone could see that they were also feminine. 🇬🇧
Today, it's Trans Men that win 100% of everything. So much for women's sports
Well, considering that trans men do compete in men sports, that’s called normal
@@yveslafrance2806No, "trans" men are the ones pretending to be women. The ones you are thinking if are the women deluded into thinking that they are men. And no women cheats in sports by pretending to be a nan.
Cheats. Shameful.
That's what communist ideology does.
And Barry Bonds and his merry band of scientists think he should be in the hall of fame. I think not. The hall of shame without a doubt.
Who is this BEAUTIFUL olympic athlete ?
Well done Sharon for your post yet 40 years later we were expected to accept that Kia Thomas is a woman 😂 beating Riley Gaines fair and square to US Womens Title 😮
Thankfully the Olympic Committee grew a pair (just like Thomas) WOKE up and banned trans athletes from competing against Women rather than return to those dark days!
Dont need drugs anymore man to woman job done😊
Just goes to show how good swimmers like Shane Gould were, because she beat the East Germans multiple times!
I’m guessing your life has been markedly better than any of theirs.
And now the trans athletes are doing much better than 9%, and we are turning our heads just like they did then.
We didn't turn our heads there was such an uproar from everybody and I mean everybody.... The Olympics of 1984 they already had rules in about doping
where...?
There are 26 states that now have laws against these ladyboys competing against women. This abomination is almost over. Get the other 24 states with the same laws. Any man who wants to compete against women should be disqualified because of mental disease. Gone. And the Olympics should be banned immediately.
First of all, the trans athletes aren't doing that much better especially on the world level and secondly more and more international sports don't allow them to compete. Logic has prevailed, time to move on.
@@martls6logic has not prevailed. The men pretending to be women are disproportionately beating women on an international scale. Not enough International bodies have banned men competing.
You always forget that the Americans did the same.
Firstly she’s British not American so I’m not seeing the relevance. Secondly while individual US athletes have certainly doped there wasn’t a govt approved, compulsory, state-run program like there was in the DDR.
Which doesn't make the equivalent programmes which existed in the US any less culpable. The sponsored doping which was most évident in the successive teams led by Armstrong are evidence of that.
@@Gerhold102but the program used by Armstrong was known to Armstrong and he ok'd it. He worked with corporate people to mask the drugs used. It was done with his full knowledge and approval. The Soviet Bloc athletes had no idea what was being done to them, they were told they were getting vitamins. The Russian state still has a state run program in place that not only drugs their athletes but also finds ways to mask the drugs in their system. That's why they are banned from many sports even before the invasion of Ukraine. Remember that 16 year old figure skater? The USA team in ice skating STILL haven't received their medals they won because the various committees can't get their shit together and make an official determination
@@PaulHussey01How is it not relevant? There's no difference. The US had programs, you think the companies that do the development are not backed up? If it is called a government program in the DDR where there weren't private companies or "programs" through companies, labs etc, there's no difference. Not to mention that the rules usually allow whatever the US athletes are taking while banning the older stuff. Which world did you live in? The one where the DDR is a global power? This woman may be from the UK, but she should be talking about all the doped athletes, not just the DDR. I won't even start about how great it is to have someone from Africa win your medals in running or Chinese in mathematics... There's no fairness in sport, it's a money machine.
@@PaulHussey01 The US Olympic Committee clearly covered up doping violations back in the day, and this included Carl Lewis. This is well documented.
Back in those days being an Olympics champion really mattered, my grandmother told me that everyone was watching this sports event together on a TV 😮
Shirley Babashoff got robbed big time as well. She had been mocked for her "whining". What a shame.
My mom raised atheletes.. she would laugh looking at their swimmers.. .. total chraters
*everybody* was going ‘that’s strange’ and *everybody* suspected them of doping. What a weird way of remembering
Was that her armpits’ hair falling down in the red swimsuit 🤯🤯🤯🤣
I remember especially the East German female swimmers flexing their muscles before races and thinking to myself, that’s not normal!
If you don’t know Janet Evans you must look her up. She was so normal looking and crushed the cheats from the Eastern Block.
Thats because they were all on steroids all The pros are
They should have been ordered to return all the medals.
The reason no one said 'it's strange" is because literally everyone on earth knew what was happening.
It's only "strange" if it's confusing or if you can't explain it. But this was the worst kept secret in sports.
Sharon a living legend.
I seem to remember a track record that will never be broken.
So when people say steroids give you a 5% advantage they have no idea what that translates to
Even though I agree and I’m with you 100%, I’m pretty sure that’s now how they meant the 9%.
They don’t mean they can turn a 60 second swimmer into a 55 second swimmer. No doping can be that significant.
What they likely meant is that if you took an expected improvement of 0.60 without doping, they could increase that by 9% to 0.65 seconds with doping.
I remember all the people around me remarking on this. Speculating that they might be men, for example.
Silke Vladish, Marlene Ottey didn't have a chance. Those Germans looked fantastic.
I remember seeing a show about this. A lot of those gymnasts etc had their bodies destroyed by the drugs they were given and suffered for the rest of their lives. Funny how no-one mentions this when they talk about "modifying" children
This is where the german efficiency memes come from. Amphetamines in ww2, and PED's in the Olympics.
She's the only real feminist in the UK...A real woman.
The drugs were given to children without their knowledge. Many former athletes are still suffering from severe side effects.
For a split second I thought the athlete in red wearing the gold medals, had a beard. Or at least a 5 o'clock shadow.
Record never to be broken:
Marita Koch Woman’s 400 meters!!
East German
The sad thing is even the East German sportsman and girls did not know that they were doped (not all of them). They were told to take their vitamins.
But, actually there are other reasons why they performed so well. Winning medals was a big goal in the GDR. So at an early stage they put all the effort in with best trainers, including the science, best equipment, and so on.
They startet spotting for talents at an very early stage and promoted them. So sport was a really big thing, also at school.
There were widespread doping in most countries at that time, a Swedish discus thrower was a vivid doping taker until it was forbidden(Ricky Buch), weight lifters ate steroids like tic tacs in the 70s. All of them. Wrestlers took all sorts of "medication" and a lot of them are dead before they turn 60.
My doctor said I am just going to give you a steroid injection in your arm. I said “anabolic?” He said “No, just in your arm”.
I remember when East Germany competed in the Olympics. I always assumed they were doping, I always got that vague impression from the commentators, but I'm American, not British so perhaps American commentators were more willing to talk about this
They identified as clean athletes.
People did think it was strange it’s why some were banned and doping laws improved
Lol “Nobody was saying hmmm that’s strange.”
It was talked about a lot here in Australia because swimming is something we excel at. Comedians were making fun of the fact that the German female athletes all looked like they were on the gear.
Just wait until the guys get there.
It's like the women's 800m world record
It's still happening. I was 1 of 4 top competitors in a competition. 2 of us went stratospheric 2 of us stayed as great also rans.
The other two, it turns out, were taking equine steroids. Fellow Olympians gave me the details many years later.
The super expensive science countries still do it. They stay ahead of the monitors.
People were going "that's stange"
At least the East Germans sent real women to compete - we dont even bother to do that. We send men instead
There's a documentary about it and the woman who beat her was really ill and said take the medal. And you can see she really wanted to but knew how bad it would have looked.
Ya we were. It was pretty common conversation in fact
We all knew it at the time. It was clear as day to anyone with eyes.
Ditto for any woman displaced by a confused male.
I wonder if there's any sort of parallel these days
Yeeeeees! Thank-you for bringing this into the modern consciousness of this current context. It is extremely relevant in many ways - in terms of the effects of hormones on the human body for young people, the devastating effects on all sides of this in any sort of competitive context and so much more in terms of the human social and emotional impacts beyond that. This history should be teaching us.
I lived in small eastern European town and even teenage rowers who just started to compete on local level would get bottle of pills without any writing on it and coaches instructions when to take it.
Pretty much sums up the German culture as a whole - they’ve thought for decades they’re better than all others.
The corruption in sports is ❤breaking
Everybody knew. I remember there were tons of jokes about GDR and Sovjet athletes.
Those medals (and the record) need to be adapted to reflect the reality of doping.
The Russians didn't complain, they just got on the program
Ask those athletes today, - my bad they died of cancer ( not related to medicinal treatments of course ) . But if you ask one of the surviving bearded ladies, they would answer that they had no idea what they were doing, what all those vitamin pills supposed to do or why they regularly got injections. It wasn’t their fault, it was the system. No need to object or think, just do what you’re told
If coach just put me in the game we would have won state. Uncle rico knows about this.
Turinabol: The Breakfast of Champions!
Same happens if you give people good food, rest and a happy life.
For reference: the drug they're referring to -Turinabol - is the same compound Jon Jones was busted for.
Mimimi 😂 I just lost because of unfair conditions. 😂
Interesting to see how well a true athlete ages.
Hahaha....I remember in my youth, watching the East German Swimming Team ...
Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant were probably less beefed
She's wrong about one thing -- everybody thought it was strange back then. The old National Lampoon magazine had a cover once that showed a supposed East German woman athlete with large breasts and a long bulge in her shorts. And standup comedians joked about these athletes on The Tonight Show. It was an open secret they were doping heavily.
"If they would've taken away 9% she would have been 16 seconds slower"... I don't think it works that way...
American sprinters in the 70s and 80s didn't take doping? They were so boosted that they glowed at night, like the nuclear power plant in Chernobyl just after the explosion.
Basically they were on speed 😂
Donkeys into race horses.
Look at those line backers shoulders in the first pic!
She should have been the gold medalist , and now she campaigning for women athletes against men competing against women .
I agree with you, the system was put in place by a country, unfortunately we can see now that sport is still confronted to doping.
Don't worry about it . They can field an entire team of men against you.
Just say they're women.
EVERYBODY was saying it was strange.
Still happening today, they say the TdF is clean yet the speeds go up, a juiced up Lance couldn't keep up.
Hmm… not just East Germany, I raced against some pretty well-known doping British athletes.
Reminds me of the movie "Top Secret" LOL
We all know this fact, but nobody ever has got so much milage out of getting a silver.
They can cheat all they want. None of them could hold a candle to your talent and beauty in your prime.
We in Montreal at the 1976 games knew there was a problem. All the east German womens swim team were bigger and stronger than the starting linebackers of our Montreal Alouettes football team and they were put in a photo display in the Montreal Gazette.
The Olympic committee chose not to sèe the cheating.
What? The IOC was corrupt? Who would have thought.