The Sad Story of Doping in Swimming
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- What drives some swimmers to the point that they’re willing to cheat to win? And why have some countries resorted to secretly giving their athletes drugs and conspiring to falsify test results just to win a few more medals?
Even the best, most famous swimmers in the world have been suspended for taking banned substances. Let’s take a look at some famous doping scandals in swimming, and what can be done to stop more cheating from happening.
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Some countries are very advanced in pharmaceutical industry. They are capable to make their athletes beat the doping tests.
PHELOS USED SOO MUCH TESTO HGH EVEN HE FACE BONES IS RIDICULOUS LIKE ACROMEGALIA PEOPLE WHAT YOU THINK HOW MUCH YEARS OR EVEN DECADE PHELOS USED STEROIDS??
To be fair, some countries like the U.S. too, have a history of doping.
That was what even successful athletes like Carl Lewis, were understandably angry about.
Please tell us more about purple face on asthma team!!
Approximately 67% of the 592 American athletes at the 2024 Paris Olympics reported having asthma...
As asthmatic, athletes can use substances that are restricted by the antidoping regulations due to their performance enhancing effects...isn't it clear enough
I feel for the East German athletes that were doped by their coaches, they weren't willing participants and had to suffer the consequences of someone else's actions
Highly doubtful that all of the East German athletes were not aware that they were doping, they could easily see what the rest of us saw, they looked like men!
Most do doping. It is a competition of doping technology, media coverup and political power, not just sports.
Please explain why Michael Phelps was no longer an asthmatic and suffering from depression after stopping competitive swimming.
@@Jabberstax you have no better idea to rebuke?
@@Jabberstaxbro pan has just smashed the americans lmfao😂😂
@@Jabberstax comment on the fact!
Weed
Racist
Swimming should only be allowed in the Special Olympics. Most of the participants are asthmatic
Can’t understand why WADA is involved with “substances of abuse” like heroin. I can’t envisage any circumstances in sport where heroin would be performance enhancing.
@@rkip123456That is absolute nonsense. Heroin is a natural opioid. It reduces pain, yes. It also depresses the nervous system. People who die directly from heroin use do so because they stop breathing. Anyone using Heroin or Ketamine as part of their training regimen has got a screw loose.
Pain killer!
Granted many countries and athletes cheated, , but accusing others while you let your athletes cheat and not allowing them to be tested in the Olympics sound very suspicious
There needs to be lifetime bans or severe enough times as the risk - rewards are too low. Dope, train hard, take the suspension if you're caught but carry on training, then compete with many more training hours ahead of the competition. Happens in weightlifting and happens in all sports if we're being realistic
i would like to agree with you ... but then there were cases whereby the athletes themselves weren't even known that they were given performance enhancing steroids by their coaches.
yea well teams like china in weightlifting would have a even bigger advantage like dprk and any other country with less or no dope testing
Do a Norwegian skiing team, they are all asthmatics but win regularly 😂
What are the chances. 🤣🤣
The majority of the swimmers are also asthmatics. It is a big scam all along by all sports associations who don't want to lose the money.
They have to be asthmatics to win😊
Jakob ingerbristen is Norwegian and one the best runners in the world China can’t match natural athleticism 😂
@@chandlerbingbongPretty high, actually. I don’t know if you know any asthmatics, but hot, humid environments (like indoor pools) tend to trigger asthma attacks. Frigid, bitter environments also tend to aggravate asthma issues. And both can make mild cases of asthma worse. Unless you’re using an epinephrine inhaler. Epinephrine is a pretty powerful stimulant.
It’s also not a drug that elite athletes with asthma are permitted to use. Most rescue inhalers use Albuterol or a similar drug. In large enough doses asthma drugs could improve the performance of sprint & endurance athletes. You would need to consume a ludicrous amount to see a noticeable effect, however.
Americans complaining about doping when they have a very long history of doping is hypocritical.
I think there's not enough being done and not enough punishment on athletes who have taken illegal drugs and tested positive or refusing to take mandatory tests.
Lifetime bans won't work. A survey of world class athletes was taken over 10 years ago. The question put to them was this 'if you could take a drug that would guarantee you to be the best in your respective sport but would also guarantee that yous be dead inside 5 years; would you take it?'. I think over 58% answered yes. The experiment was called 'Goldmans dilemma'.
its utterly wrong and disgusting to dope
Perhaps doping should become a criminal offence, anyone found guilty of doping should be sent to prison for few years on top of automatic life ban from all future competitions.
I'm surprised this is an issue. Every sport has this problem and not everybody gets caught. if there was a 100% test for every athlete prior to competition I think the results would be amazing. It would not surprise me if Phelps took PE's also. When there is large amounts of money on the line, all bets are off. My two cents.
They can use undetectable drugs so higher frequency of testing won’t make a difference for the big guys.
@@Ximmeexactly. As if phelps is clean. No elite athletes are clean competing at high level. They know how to micro dose. Hypocrisy at its best
Projection much…. I completely disagree, Phelps has been an advocate for life time bans for cheaters and he was subjected to hundreds if not thousands of random screenings throughout his career. Phelps never had anything show up in regards to performance enhancing drugs! Furthermore, the US has USADA an extremely strict testing and oversight from a 3rd party organization. While other countries (China, Russia) have been caught repeatedly and purposely doping their athletes and shown to have intricate doping protocols for their “state” controlled Olympic training programs. Something that just doesn’t exist in the United States. In other words China and Russia love to use the Olympics for soft power and doping their athletes is something dictatorial governments are very comfortable doing.
Don’t be fooled, they will eventually be caught just like east Germany.
now go back 20-30 years where this tests were less efficient how much ppl were abusing them... there are still some WR which after all the technology cant be beaten
Indeed, you said it yourself. "The love of money is the source of all evil."
I knew a swimmer that competed at a local level in the 90s and even he admitted taking stuff...
That’s embarrassing for him 😂
@@deanmilwainoly3966he must been taking fake stuff or just the stuff that isn’t good for swimming
Sometimes trying to appear as fair and balanced misses the goal by a mile. In this instance, putting Phelps in the company of true dopers, despite the disclosure that he didn’t take PEDs, is misleading and in my opinion something worse.
I don’t understand why anyone could feel good about winning while doping. I would be embarrassed to get a medal only because I cheated. It’s like admitting that you know you’re not good enough. I’d think the win would feel empty.
I agree, but you're looking at it from the wrong perspective. If there are 10 swimmers and they know that 8 (arbitrary) of them are doping, they don't really feel bad for doping themselves because they are just "following the rest" so to speak. Sounds dumb, I know, but when you spend every waking hour training towards a single goal, you can easily convince yourself to do it/comply with your coaches.
It’s about perspective. Firstly, some people don’t care, which has a lot to do with upbringing. Secondly, some people do it because they think they don’t have a choice (correct or not). If you thought every one of your competitors was doping and you wouldn’t have a chance to win a medal without it, then you winning a medal with doping would feel fair.
It's simple game theory. If you don't dope then you lose.
dude everyone dopes
its like saying getting faster swimsuit that too also make the speed faster.
Almost all top sprinters now are bigger than the East-German athletes in the late 70's. It's not just improvements in training,diet and exercise. Swimming is one of the most problematic sports dopingwise, it's as widespread and part of the culture as in cycling.
Actually the gear used by world-class athletes today is a lot less potent than the Soviet-era stuff that was popular in track until the IAAF began making some effort to clean the sport up after the Ben Johnson scandal in Seoul.
Ben was not the brightest bulb in the Christmas tree. You had to work pretty hard to get caught back then. Most steroid users back then juiced primarily in the off-season to gain power and bulk & cycled off the gear well before the start of the winter track season. Either that or they skipped it.
Ever noticed how Bob Kersee’s top athletes usually only do a handful of tune-up events before big championships, even today?
That’s a red flag.
Cold War-era steroids are potent
Sun yang is one of the best freestyle swimmer as far as technique is concerned.
He's the best period. He was the most tested athlete at the time. U westerners love to highlight chinese using technique in swimming and weightlifting to succeed and down play their raw power . Do u think if u had perfect technique u could snatch 200kg or swim 200m in 1:44 secs...pathetic
@@Jamrock151Ian Thorpe is by the best freestyle swimmer lol. The Chinese has been banned multiple times for doping. He’s nowhere near the best 💀
@@emsewemsie8977 White swimmers have nearly all doped, especially if they are from Western countries. Only Chinese swimmers are clean.
@@Annie-pn4jo Chinese swimmers are not clean babe. Saying white swimmers all dope and Chinese never dope proves you must have no idea what you’re talking about. Goodbye
rules need to be stricter, for sure.
It's very easy to change the molecular structure of a drug enough to where no drug test can catch it.
There are labs you can contact that will make the drug with your structural changes.
Then you test it on a group of mice and compare the results with a control group of mice that were on the original compound as well as another control group that were natural.
This way you can compare the blood test results and see if it interferes with any other mechanism in the body other than anabolism of your muscles and the androgen effects on your body.
By measuring the muscle mass percentage of each mouse, you will be able to get a good idea of the anabolic score index as well and can decide if the compound is worth taking.
I don't think there are many natural athletes among the top players in any sport.
It's far too easy to cheat in an undetected way for that to be probable.
But since almost everyone is cheating, the playing field is still "fair", right?
-No
It's not fair, because there are thousands of amazingly talented and genetically gifted people that get discouraged from continuing their careers in these sport every year because they can't naturally get as good as the top players and so they train and train, but doesn't get even close to the top players performance and in the end they just give up and their amazing genetics and talent is wasted.
For the playing field to be fair, PED's need to be either legalized and allowed in all sports or the testing needs to be MUCH improved to notice other markers than just the compounds people take so we can catch any use of PEDs no matter what molecular structure.
DID YOU THINK PHELPHS USED STEROIDS??
SOO MUCH TESTO HGH EVEN HE FACE BONES IS RIDICULOUS LIKE ACROMEGALIA GIGANTISM PEOPLE FACES!!
PHELPS LOOK HE IS 10 UI GROWTH HORMONE EVERY DAY FOR YEARS AND YEARS GROW ALL BONES LONGER AND BIGGER LUNGS CAPACITY TRUEE CHEATEAR!!
BC HE US BILLIONARIE AND AMERICAN BODY TALKS ABOUT PHELPS DOPING BUT ARMSTRONG THEY SAY PHELPS USED DOUBLE TRIPLEE THAN LANCE DID
LANCE LOOK KIDS COMPARIMG TO PHELPS HGH PEDS DRUGS CYCLED!!
WHAT YOU THINK HOW MUCH YEARS OR EVEN DECADE PHELOS USED STEROIDS??
“If you test positive” - so basically don’t get caught.
Because thats is the only way to know they take it. But to be honest nothing Will ever happen to them.
Please explain why USA swimmers are checked much much less for than swimmers from China.
And Omega touchpad. If there is no doping, Omega will help to win.
I think they need to explain why only American swimmers, whether Caucasian or Asian, faces turned purple after the race. You don't see that from athletes of other countries. Actually, those same swimmers didn't have purple faces last year, looking at some videos.
One interesting thing the vast majority of athletes in the US are asthmatics they can legally use the medication.
You missed a couple of big ones. In the last Olympics, Russian athletes weren't allowed to compete under their own flag, because Russia was deemed to have been systemically cheating. And China was widely regarded to be cheating at the 1992 Olympics, even though nobody tested positive. Within about two years, though, half the Chinese swim team all failed their drug tests at a single competition..
The country with the most doping cases is the USA though, Lance Armstrong, Tyson Gay, all those NFL players etc.
@@Mike-bt3ki An arbitrary statement. And unlike the two examples I gave, the US doesn't have any official bodies that have been either active participants in or instigators of the practice. Just the opposite, in fact. The reason you have the arbitrary opinion you do, is precisely because the US doesn't tolerate it, and catches and punishes people who do it.
And if we're going to include people who were never caught., like Armstrong, well... the entire Tour was widely reputed to be doping both before and after Armstrong. It was tbe only way to make it to the top of that sport. Armstrong certainly didn't learn how to do what he was dong in the US, either. Nor did he get the materials to do it in the US.
@@gl2996 ur 1st statement is no less as well
Barry bonds baby!
Great video! I hope to see more videos like this.
When hard work and endless drills can’t improve one more nano second (and they are getting older), no surprise some resort to using performance enhancing substances.
I still remember that when the United States could not match China in the number of gold medals, they started to compete in the number of medals. They would do anything to save face.
Usa still won the most of number of gold and total medals at every Olympics except Beijing lol
Don't forget when they pushed to prohibit multiple Chinese teams in table tenis because China and Korea were always getting the medals and none for the US.
I remember when the Chinese government do a doping scheme on the women's swimming team and how Russia government made a scheme to cheat a doping test
@@雾里见花 haha olympics just ended and china lost the medal tally again… now they are adding gold medals from hk and tw just too save face. Poor losers haha
"The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) responds to a Reuters story of 7 August 2024 exposing a scheme whereby the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) allowed athletes who had doped, to compete for years, in at least one case without ever publishing or sanctioning their anti-doping rule violations, in direct contravention of the World Anti-Doping Code and USADA’s own rules. "
They all take something. All you need is doctor give you prescription and declare that to the international instance and you can get away with it. How is that many athletes have asthma and adhd like Phelps ?
Misleading opening. Lochte was banned for lying about a robbery, not for doping.
And Yang was not banned for doping.
he use doping in the tokyo olympics
PHELOS USED SOO MUCH TESTO HGH EVEN HE FACE BONES IS RIDICULOUS LIKE ACROMEGALIA PEOPLE WHAT YOU THINK HOW MUCH YEARS OR EVEN DECADE PHELOS USED STEROIDS??
Lochte tested positive
he didn't actually really lie, i think they treated him unfairly
Unfortunately Chinese swimmer Yang does not have asthmas like Michael Phelps and the others who claimed.
Sun Yang's never been tested positive.....
Doping in swimming and track and field is wide spread like Marion jones and Carl Lewis and American athletes do not accept or allowed to be tested during competitions, do you really think ledecky can win 200 400 800 1500 races every competition with no help? It is like saying ussian Bolt win 200 400 800 1500 in a single meet
Cyclist Armstrong was not been allowed to be tested in Frace, and only his former roommate was a using him until he admitted to it
8yr ban reduced to dominate in Paris. Doped for 4 yrs to become unbeatable
Sun is the victim. It's not likely he doped at all, but his team unfortunately didn't handle the situation really well when getting sampled by some unprofessional teams who were not following the right protocols themselves.
This is all just a joke. They all dope. You won’t be able to win anything without it, that’s why in US all athletes dope. The question is how they decide what’s legal and what’s illegal. Just like the case with meldonium? If sport should be honest, then why creatinine, large one and tons of other supplements are legal??? In Us all those parents that want their kids to be champions, pump them with these sport supplements containing creatinine . And those supplements all have irreversible damaging effects on their bodies. Why college swimmers in US not being tested? How about making a video on that? It’s a huge problem in US and nobody speaks about it?
Ask your docter about getting asthma and how to get diagnosed.
I heard that the only sport that doesn't dope is figure skating as it makes them perform worse somehow.
I believe table tennis does not need doping as well.
Any sport that requires strength and/or endurance or where you need to recover from injuries will benefit from drugs.
So does Archery
Cheating makes me not want to watch sports.
any comments on the recent news with 23 chinese swimmers?
Where can I find the list of what can’t be take
Here you go! The link is also in the description of the video :)
bit.ly/45NWC0k
cheaters are everywhere these days
much less today than before. the testing is more difficult to cheat than what it was before.
Almost Every single world class swimmer of the last 40 years was on something just like every world class athlete was on something. If the documentary Icarus taught us anything is they're all at it
at the top everyone is using something, peds are light years ahead of testing
I honestly don't want to know these true facts... so discouraging.
It’s never individual but systemic. A whole country or swim team. Perhaps one can’t win something like the Olympics just like the Tour de France. It should be ban for life
Australia is one of the biggest doping when it comes to swimming
Shit yeah we have all our swimmers on every performance enhancing drug that exists and pay off the testers to ensure negative results! So you are obviously an expert in the field with inside knowledge ! Please no more of your brilliant factual commentary. Swimming Australia would be very grateful of this.
@@catatonia1 Nah chill, but the aussies do have a history of doping, but literally every country does loolllll
The fact that Yang (and others) might compete at Paris means they're soft on drug cheats.
If you actually read the court case files, it clearly says the panel considers it pertinent that no allegation is made that he was doped that day. The suspension was in relation to his reckless conduct, not because they suspect he was
doping.
@@XwD77 Chinese love fentanyl
RUclips posting many Australian swimmers test positive doping?
It's not "some" swimmers.
Suggestion, let's have 2 separate groups for each intl competition. No doping group to see who has most talent and best training, doping group to see who dope most effective.😁
No way Phelps should be in this video!!! He is amazing
True. The video is about doping, not about swimmers getting suspended due to myriad reasons.
@@timerwentoffunfortunately is it because of his DUI charges mid 2000s
Here in Australia the conviction is wiped after 5-7 years.
Agree, Phelps shouldn’t be in this video but he was not perfect!
@@andrewthomas8737 but the story abt doping, not other stuff
@@timerwentoff yeah, bring the legit accusations. this channel just lost cred by deciding to include the phelps mention. although the op sayin "he's amazing" is also too vague be taken seriously either.
The narrator of this video is on dope
Shayna jack an australuan swimmer was suspened in 2023 for taking anabolic steroids she has now been vleared to seim in Paris; she was only sudpended for a short time
Olympic Weight lifting is another one.
SUN YANG was not doping but he was chldish and egocentric by smashing the testing sample.
Try again. Sun Yang tested positive for trimetazidine in 2014, which was and still is classified as a PED. He was suspended because he used it without obtaining a TUE beforehand. His 2018 incident was his second offence, and obstructing the testing procedure isn't a good look, especially when he's tested positive before.
True he acted like an asshole and he has been caught out with doping. Goodbye.
Ahhhh the banning was shortened. Corruption in the OC
The problem is not to taking illegal substances! This substances are not illegal, because all athletes are taking them (athletics, swimming, football, cycling, NBA and so, sooo on). The problem of doping is: theres is a line, if you cross the line, you are doping. Don't forget it: all athletes are taking drugs in any competition
Evil countries, dont forget.
What about men competing in women's sports? It's worse than doping.
USA the king of doper but in 2024: Yes undetectable drugs but able to see. Purple faces
USA athletes suspended less than 2 years. Russian and Chinese athletes banned for life. That's just politics.
If your talking about the example in the video. The one in question wasn’t even doping. The man uploaded a video of the infusion on his social media the only dispute was not the legality of the substance (vitamins) but the dosage a part of the rules that given he publicly broadcast the information seems unlikely he was knowingly circumnavigating the rules.
I can’t tell whether you’re a Tankie or a Weeb. Regardless, you’re full of it. Plenty of US Athletes have received harsh penalties for doping over the years. Remember Marion Jones? Won 3 gold & 2 bronze medals in Sydney. Jones had all of her medals stripped, was permanent-banned from track and also did jail time. Her ex-boyfriend was an Olympic shot-putter & her gear hook-up. He was also banned. Loads of American track & field athletes have received long bans. Lotta cyclists, too. Low skill endurance events in general tend to be the biggest magnets for doping, followed by the sprints.
The US track team’s had a lot of athletes suspended or banned over the years. USA Swimming on the other hand, has always been regarded as one of the cleaner programs in the world.
The biggest difference between the US, Russia & China is pretty basic. Russia & China have state-sponsored doping programs. They’re very obvious about what they do & they often get sloppy. The US does not do this. That doesn’t mean that American athletes are pristine. There are cheats and hypocrites, just like in every country. There can be some powerful incentives, especially in sports where you don’t make much money at all unless you bring home a lot of Olympic hardware.
WADA needs to disbanded
Lia Thomas is the biggest doping 😅
😂 😂😂You know it 👍
The case of Sun Yang annoys me so much. The way he acted toward duncan scott, 'you loser, I win' when everyone knew he was cheating rubbed me the wrong way. Caught cheating multiple times, years apart. Should never be allowed back. Whatsmore, it isn't proven, but his 1500m free WR was likely done whilst doping, especially if you watch his unnatural pace on the last 100-200.
Could not agree more. FINA (now "World Aquatics") is a joke for allowing this punk cheater to continue.
to be fair he wasn’t tested positive but was caught destroying the testing kit
@@Ethan-vc2rn for me that's even worse. Got his mum to smash his sample. Then he was still allowed to compete at the world champs
@@noahpalmer6653That’s not factually
correct. They smashed the lock of the case which held the sample. His samples days before and days after that day all returned negative. Another interesting question is - why did he come back when his mum called saying testers arrived at his house? You are legally allowed to miss 3 tests, so if he was intentionally doping, why come home?
@@noahpalmer6653 These are just simple facts to the case that majority of people don’t know, or don’t care to know - but yet are so keen to throw accusations. Is it because he’s from China? I don’t know, but I sure don’t see the same level of criticism against other swimmers like Shayna Jack.
I was a swimmer i quit for that reasonand i was at top it my country and at europe top 30
I couldn't do more without dope because they all take l
Im "in" the things and i know that 99% of them are doping
You wont believe me there is not single one that doesn't top at this levels
Even at lower i knew many that were doing it
If s*n Yang swims in Paris I’m gonna be mad
I think except for contact sports all performance enhancing drugs or at least a lot of them should be legal. Taking things that give you an edge is part of competing. It's no different than eating the right foods. If someone is consentually willing to take years off their life to win they should be able to do so.
If you caught.. lifetime ban. Ruin their whol career because they didn't care, why should the commision?
As long as FINA (now "World Aquatics") acts like a little b**** for these cheaters, it'll continue.
what happened to Do Ping?
So Phelps too? Huh
I still despair for Sharon Davies...robbed.
Not only the East Germany Olympic swimmers are doped, but also the FINA.
What about Ludecki? Double standards
What about Phelbs???? He is the greatest cheater of all
The decision was too harsh, he did not test positive, he's mother destroyed the blood sample because the testing agents were unqualified. Imagine being tested by a construction worker 🤦♂️ that why he was banned.
2014 incident? 😊
Tech suits are not banned
every sport has an untouchable.
No sympathy. These people cheated so many people from having their moment. They should be locked up
Well, there is a difference between breaking the rules in sport and breaking the law. Yes these cheaters deserve punishment and should never be allowed to compete again. But locked up? Cmon, that's an overexaggeration😅
Doping swimmers can't compete with doping cyclists. Lance the liar made sure of that.
Bro, that backstroke turn was something ruclips.net/video/TAjOKGps28M/видео.html
everyone cheats it's just some can't hide it well enough
This is invented by the USA.
Its an IQ Test not a Doping test
"Agressivity", not "agression"
This is true in effectively every sport. No surprise.
So if this is a video about filing and taking PED’s why was Phelps included in this?? If there’s no evidence that he’s taken anything why include his mistakes?? It’s one things if this was a video about what gets swimmers suspended, but the title clearly states this is supposed to be about doping. Seems like a cheap shot to me
Unfortunately it all starts at Age Group! Parents doping their swimmers with or without their consent!!
Is the child really a phenom or is there more to those “unbelievable performances”??
WADA isn't that the company involved with the mass doping scandal
WADA has the power allow western athletes legally take drugs.
Ruta Meilutyte says hello
Loopholes means most will.
So sad people would dope to win, at what cost? I don't think the side effects are worth it.
Top sports are doped my word that's a shocking revelation!....
Honestly I’d be shocked if 95% weren’t enhanced, especially the men
especially both sexes.
@@hammothw4814 nah I have a feeling guys have a propensity to juice a little more often, as it’s more competitive and they respond better to steroids, but I don’t have actually statistics to back that. Which is hard to do as people who take peds almost always lie about it.
I have a different take on it. With regards to professional athletes, if they wish to dope then sure let them have at it, it is their body and they know the risks they are taking. Perhaps if they choose to use PEDs then they should declare it?
But, overall on a professional level it is their body, their choice, and their lives they are risking.
It doesn’t just affect them. It affects their opponents. It gives them an unfair advantage and it’s the same as telling their opponents to either have to natural overcome this advantage or dope as well to compete. Suddenly that forces opponents to do that to themselves to compete.
it is an unfair advantage, maybe create a separate competition for ppl that want to use peds
I don't recall SUN YANG actually doping, but he was protected by his mom and just train and paid a heavy price for being so childish.
He cheated always thats the only way he can win anyways
well i am a swimmer and his form is still the best ever to swim a 1500, we watch his videos a million times for training.@@ainz1325
@@ainz1325 Do you have proof backing your claim?
@@XwD77Dude broke the blood test vessels with a hammer, you can figure the rest out and this is coming from a Chinese person
Everything has consequences...