No Games in Moscow - Ep.1 Behind the Doping of Kamila Valieva
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- Опубликовано: 21 апр 2024
- The 2022 Beijing Olympics will likely go down in history as figure skating’s darkest moment. The surreal turn of events - from Kamila Valieva’s positive test to her error-strewn performance on ice to the subsequent traumatic responses displayed by her teammates - proved catastrophic for Russian figure skating, which had dominated the sport for over a decade before its grand implosion on the global stage. In Kin’s new documentary essay series, No Games in Moscow, we investigate the methods and philosophies of Russia’s premier figure skating school, Sambo 70, the experiments and scientific research around its athletes, and its relationship to the Putin regime.
No Games in Moscow is a three-episode installment documentary essay series. You can subscribe to the mailing list linked here to be notified when the next episode is released.
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Ep 1. A Club Meant for Wrestlers (an introduction to women’s figure skating in Russia & Sambo 70)
Ep 2. A Little Xenon Gas as a Treat (an investigation into the scientists behind Russian sports and their interesting methods)
Ep 3. A Spokesperson for the Sacrificial Lambs (an analysis of the Valieva trial’s verdict and moral implications)
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I find it interesting that there are eteri fans who refuse to acknowledge the truth about the toxic culture and malnourishment. It's not even worth it to fight in the comments anymore. Russia feels like it is as isolated as north korea in its thinking patterns.
A lot of them are government bots I’m sure. Navalny had a video about them
Interesting!
It's 2024 and y'all still using the same script with zero concrete evidence. The imagined toxic culture and malnourishment though. 😂
@@wkim22 listen to all her skaters they all say the same thing about eteri. Plus lipnitskaya had anorexia as well as another her skater it’s a fact. You can watch eteri’s interviews she is not shy about her ways at all
@@wkim22 plus the fact that she always talks dirty about all her skaters online is very telling. Watch kostornaia’s interview she talks about many things in detail🙄🙄
The thing that makes the most mad is the fact that everyone including the west and the ISU just threw Kamila under the bus and didn’t even bother doing anything else. Im sure they will just let Eteri and the creepy doctor back into the next Olympics like nothing ever happened
Valieva lied through her teeth. The free skate at the Olympics was one of the ugliest skating events in history. Valieva collapsed because she knew the truth and Eteri yelled at her. Then Trusova goes into a crying meltdown because she came in second. The winner was left sitting there all alone wondering if she was in the wrong room. Russia should be banned from all athletic competitions for the near future. They are disgusting.
@@jondavwal13alright racist. By your logic, USA should also be banned for their previous doping allegations just because SOME people chose to dope.
Using children as lab rats is wrong. Banning Russia gives the powers that be exactly what they want: Isolation.
@@jondavwal13I don't think it's the athletes. Their coaches, doctors and the powers that be are using these children as lab rats. I don't think these children know they're being doped. Substances are probably hidden in their "vitamins." Isolation is what they want: Fertile ground to continue abusive children without being held accountable. 😢
@@pulacascar179I missed the racist part, please explain.
the most ridiculous in this story that valieva was punished but eteri didn’t.
But she should be punished for the whole her life and don’t work with kids.
Instead she continues to work with kids not only in russia but in the world
Probably, it's a matter of time. I mean there is a feeling that she will never be allowed to win anything at internationals competitions in future.
@@user-cy7dj2lu7ebut she was on championship, she is a coach of her dotter which now “represents” Georgia. Actually, the question how she is so quickly changed a country. Because no one else can do it, except her dotter and her partner. Only for next year.
As well they have a proxy russian team which “represents “ other countries but in fact the skaters train in sambo 70.
And figure skating federation dont want to stop it.
She should have at least received a ban as long as Kamila.
blame the useless isu which tolerates such awful behaviour and actions
Eteri is not a coach of her daughter, she and her husband train in Canada and yes her daughter represents Georgia in the ice dance category, but her mother Eteri Tutberidze has a Georgian name and surname simply because ethnicly she is half Georgian. Eteri also has done a great job to Georgia by training moris kvitelashvili and nika egadze, who have won many titles.
I followed a lot of this saga as it was going down and since. It's a sad affair. People have a lot of complaints about Eteri and Sambo70. My biggest complaint is that during the Olympics she seemed to abandon Valieva, somewhat. I remember Valieva walking through the press area and having to do that all alone. She was a child. A coach should have been with her.
This is a very complicated topic and very big, id like to say that these girls have incredibly low body fat, they weight 92-100 pounds at a height of 4'11'-5'3' then they grow and age when they hit 16+ and grow 2 more inches and gain over 10-30lb in weight. This reason is a major reason why they struggle to jump consistently after turning adults cause of the quick and big change to their bodies.
Plus they develop unnaturally. We had a guy in my class in Moscow who was a figure skater and despite his sister who was just 1 year older he looked like a third grader in 5-6 grade . I remember he was always very short and even had short arms compared to his big head that looked his age. On TV u don’t even notice that stuff, now he looks quite normal though
Like if you look at trusova in 2021 she looked about 12-13 years old when in reality she was almost 16.
I’m sure extreme amounts of practice that alters your body growth is very unhealthy
@prisonisinourminds8070 I think the strict diets malnourish them slightly and the constant drilling and pressure impacts the body, I heard about strict diets impacting hormones accusing young girls puberty to be pushed into their 13-15 and they grow later on, some girls even loss their periods the whole time while on such a low body fat percentage
@prisonisinourminds8070 If you look at Kamilia and Sasha now they look wayy taller and not lean anymore but they matured alot in a short time now that they stopped skating competitively for about a year now, it's like a growth spurt in their last teens suddenly hits
i've followed figure skating for many years and i gotta say your research for this is top notch, i don't think i've ever seen an "outsider" get everything so right
Confirmation bias. That's like me joining a group of star wars nerds and thinking: Finally, someone gets it right!..
most people watching this are already invested and interested in figureskating. 'Outsiders' aren't going to watch this.
It's really painful to watch these young people being used and abused for a sport. This isn't just a Russian thing. We as a society need to stop using children for our entertainment/glory, it's very sad.
This is absolutely wild, I’m so interested, can’t wait to see the rest.
In this particular occurrence pointing that it is a Russian thing is extremely important. This whole 2022 story is only and only political. The second I heard that she was caught with doping I knew there was only one person behind it. PUTIN
It is in China as well, but they learned from russia
Unfortunately, some parents live vicariously through their children, because they couldn't achieve or failed their own dreams of being an athlete or artist for many reasons and no amount of reasoning is going to change their minds in any way.
In this case,; this is definitely a Russian thing.
this video was seriously great, it's amazing how much effort you put into it and how concisely and interestingly everything is explained! the only little note i have is the clip of anna shcherbakova at 16:11 (her lying on the operating table) which is kind of framed in a negative light, with the red text and the use of "..." but it rly wasn't anything serious! the video is from a vlog she jokingly took while the surgery was going on (a very minor one from an ankle injury she recently sustained) that she at first decided not to post but then did (as a joke) bc she was under the influence of anesthesia at the time and she thought what she said was funny bc she wasn't thinking clearly lmao. so the "magic drug" thing isn't meant to be taken seriously, she's just not fully in her right mind bc of the anesthesia. at other moments, she was commenting on how the doctors were "very cool people" and how ed sheeran's bad habits was playing in the operating room lmao.
a more accurate translation of what she said is: "i'm lying in the OR. I had time to cry... a little. I was kinda worried. But everything's already fine... because the magic drug's beginning to work. i already don't feel it. they just sewed up my foot. i won't reveal all the details of what they did to me there."
I understood "magic drug" as pain medication/for numbing the area that had to be treated... didn't seem like a reference to any doping stuff to me?
@@heyheyvicky1498 i know, i js wanted to clear it up bc the video is framed in kind of an ominous/serious light, while actually it wasn't rly a serious surgery and it was meant to be js a funny video :)
well, you're right but we don't know how serious her injury is. All we have is her words from that small vlog when she mentioned having a complete new ligament. Anna jumped consistently in shows for like a year and a half after winning the Olympics, even having 3-3 back in October and and it was in January when she started having troubles with things she used to do easily. Then she skipped like a month or two doing only masterclasses and no shows while wearing the fixator all this period of time so I would assume they hoped non-invasive treatment would help but it eventually didn't. Anna said multiple times that she was really worried and till today she can't walk without a crutch as the rehabilitation process goes on. So I would assume it's as serious as any "normal" injury for a competing athlete and not anything minor.
THIS IS SO WELL PUT TOGETHER!! IM EXCITED TO WATCH MORE OF YOUR CONTENT!!!
So interesting!!! Waiting for episode 2
On January 29, 2024, Kamila was disqualified from the team competition at the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics, the gold was finally given to the United States, silver for Japan and the bronze medal for the Russian Olympic Committee, and if that wasn't enough, the International Skating Union voted in favor to raise the age to 17 for senior skaters on June 7, 2022. By the time, the 4-year suspension ends on December 25, 2025, her chances of competing at the 2026 Milan - Cortina Winter Olympics will be non-existent.
excited for ep 2!
The quality of this video 🧎🏾♀️🧎🏾♀️🧎🏾♀️ I stan
insane video ! thank you so much for explaining so well everything with very interisting critics. i don't skate nor follow competitive skating but always took an interest about what's going on behind the curtains so perfect video for me !
Did anyone else find Eteri’s rough handling of her skaters starting at 7:49 disturbing? She literally yanked her skaters, and it’s not like they’re that big😮
Kudos for this great documentary! You hit all the main points!
I’m russian and i really love our figure skaters but it doesn’t mean i can’t see the whole nightmare of this industry. These girls should live normal lives, the should be physically grown and healthy. I am really happy that the age has been changed for the Olympics. That’s so exciting to see grown girls skating - i really love japanese figure skating, i like our russian girl Elizaveta Tuktamysheva - she’s grown and really beautiful woman with phenomenal artistic skills and her jumps are beautiful too. I like Hendrix too btw. So please don’t you think that my country is the Hell, it is sad to see comments inspired by politics under this video
American here and we love Tuktamysheva!
American here too, and despite the doping, I have enjoyed watching the Russian girls skate, even Kamila, so this whole story of doping and abuse really saddens me. Like you, I am happy they raised the age of Olympic eligibility.
Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦
I agree with you that the Russian skaters are simply the best! I love to watch them skate. It's sad to see so many injuries and to hear that their diets are so restricted. I was a huge Anna Scherbakova fan. She's so smart and so humble too.
@@kittensrus168no
What a terrific video, thank you
Looking forward to ep2
You should make a video about figure skater Miroslava Lebedeva and how she’s abused by her family and couches
PATHOLOGIC MUSIC IN THE BEGINNING!! Figure skating and pathologic r my two fave things this made me so happy
it's horrific to think even such a low level and by all account unremarkable skater could talk so casually about doping. if this doesn't illustrate how systematic the doping is i don't know what can.
If you’re talking about Anastasia, that’s a child. An exploited child.
What surprised me the most about the weight questions to Scherbakova was Tsiscaridze's reaction (he is the one who talked to her)! Cruel, what? He is the head of Vaganova Ballet Academy, where weight standards are way more brutal! Scherbakova is 161/42kg, and Vaganova girls of the same height should weigh 40kg (just google "Vaganova weight chart"). So 161/42 is cruel, and 161/40 is suddenly OK?? He doesn't even know what his students are going through!
Vaganova's standarts are changed)
At least we could see it at their final exams classes.
For example:
ruclips.net/video/8d8RJYWOGSw/видео.html
ballerinas legs look more like figure skaters legs) They definitely weight more than 40 kg. Especially knowing that most of them are 165 cm +.
You can compare to exams of early ..00s . Huge difference.
The pathologic ost hit me hard
Came from Reddit too ! Wow ! That was a great 1st EP ! How many will there be ?! It's riveting and so well done. Congrats to its author(s)
Eteri “Athletes need to be given vitamins.” Yeah, how about getting your vitamins through food?
When is episode 2 comming out?
Thankfully the international competitions raise age limits now. Therefore these joung girls can no longer perform at adult levels until they have been through puberty. Also the pointing system is slowly being change to favor more creative artistic expressions and cleanness over complicated jumps. The jump outscoring the other skill is one of the reasons why this approach worked to winn.
Puberty does not end at 17. A one year change is going to do nothing but make things worse. If you think puberty blockers are used now, you can rest assured they will be widespread with the new age limit. Same with starvation and everything else to keep a girl small. It will be torture for these girls as they are put into a holding pattern because people don't think about incentives with policies.
Amazing documentary! Is not it Polina Edmund's voice?
This was a good video but I really didnt like the final apart about russian figure skating being all a show with costumes and crazy makeup like it was a bad thing. The problems u talked about during the video are true, the abuse and spectacular of this abuse on mostly young children is true and a disgusting thing happening in the sport; its also true that even tho it happens in other countries its usually more coveted while the russian situation is much more systemic and obvious and since then more shocking and problematic.
But the downgrading of the “show” part of this disciplin makes me realize you are missing a big point about this sport and the history of this sport. Figure skating is also art, its not just competition, its ice shows, gala, it is spectacular and its fundamentally camp and glamour and a little bit of cringe (lol) and extravaganza. Especially the european side of the sport has always been a lot about shows, about backflips and crazy stunts on the ice, and costumes, and ridiculous music. Notably nowadays this side of figure skating is less visible in competitions where there are rigid rules and regulations and “standart” programs and more visible in galas and special performances from which u took ALL the clips shown in that particular part of this video. So this is a really nice and and well informed video and it touches a lot of problematic topics that should be more talked about in the sport; but that part was, in my opinion, a little bit misleading and purposefully ignorant about a large cultural part of this sport.
Finally someone taking about this❤
Nikt się nie zajął. Skazali niewinną łyżwiarkę, a winni dalej bezkarnie trenują . Odpowiedzialność zbiorowa, to odpowiedni wyrok. Kamila sama z tym dopingiem nie miała nic wspólnego. To genialna łyżwiarką, inna niż wszystkie inne. Ma cudowne ruchy i genialne umiejętności. Jej ręce od najmłodszych lat falowały. To nie doping sprawił, że jest tak genialna.
@@jolantagolebiewska5263 English sir we don’t understand
I'm the kind of person who only watches figure skating during the Winter Olympics, but it is by far my favorite event of the games.
I was looking forward to seeing the women's final but we all know how it went, and it was horrible to watch it unfold.
I know for sure that in the next Olympics I'll avoid the women's figure skating like the plague unless the necessary changes are made.
ehmmm Brian Orser also walked away with 2 students who got Gold and Bronze at the Olympics in 2018. It wasn't only Eteri.
this video is literally insane in the best way, its one of the best video essays i've ever seen, as a die hard figure skater and lover of video essays, i literally cannot wait for the rest of the episodes.
this is so well done, excited for the next episode
IMO, if there's a real doping scheme with Sambo70, it's with Shvetsky and Xenon gas. Detection window is incredibly small yet promotes RBC production.
2022的冬奧運會，是一個世界上最骯髒的比賽，它渗雜了很多陰謀以及政治因素，可憐的15歲女孩卡米拉，承受了一切，值得嗎？没有了卡米拉的花樣滑冰，這個美麗的藝術體育，在這個世界上，再也没有了觀賞的價值。🌹💪🇹🇼😭
excellent documenmtary
What is the release schedule for the rest of the series?
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OMG finally, I've been waiting forever for Kins to make new! DON'T skip a minute, a bit dense but this is such a rare find on youtube to get this much depth on this topic
I saw kamila in jgpf in torino, she was really good. She did not need fake quads and dope…but human greed is endless…
How do you know that she doesn’t need, she probably takes drugs for ages
@@juliadizhak8397 с самого рождения, лол
Kins 👍👍👍太棒了！ 非常期待下一个视频。
Seeing Margarita in training broke my heart, she's next...
came from reddit
I feel so bad for so many of these girls. Anna and Alina won both of their Olympic Games, but because they're not Medvedeva or Trusova or Valieva, they get treated like such shit.
And the conspiracy theory about how the only reason that Anna keeps winning is because her parents are rich and have connections with the judges. So what? Blame the judges. Or blame her parents. Not her.
I'm not sure Meldonium (sp?) works. Russian gymnast, Aliya Mustafina, said they gave it to her before it was banned and she said it did nothing for her.
It increases stamina. It doesn't make you better. It enables you to train longer and harder. Which makes you better.
@@roddo1955 All of this is a lie - the drug does not increase stamina. There is zero evidence of this and there isn't even a mechanism for it. It throttles the dominant resting substrate pathway and the math doesn't work, and at high intensities the dominant substrate is lactate, and you aren't going to get more ATP from throttling fat metabolism and increasing glucose metabolism. The heart doesn't work that way. If the heart was engineered to use glucose in high amounts you'd drain too much from the blood and deny it for the brain, which is dependent on it.
And as mentioned, when the drug was legal it was found in very few samples. If it worked, it would have been rampant.
The whole system is set up against the best interests of the child athlete - and yes, I consider them children, esp Eteri’s students. I thought it was telling and very sad indeed when Zagitova pretty much said all the injuries she suffered would be worth it because it would really help her parents, (presumably if she won Olympic gold). Much like child Hollywood stars - Macauley Kulkin comes to mind - when the parents depend on the child as the major wage earner, it creates an imbalanced situation in terms of the dynamics of the parent-child relationship. No child should have to bear the brunt of having to be responsible for his/her family’s finances.
I'm interested to see more details about the Chinese swimmers when you publish that. The anti-doping agencies all suck, in my opinion. The clowns at USADA were an embarrassment during this saga. They whined and cried endlessly. USADA is the same group that busted a weightlifter for doping at a qualifier and still let the lifter go to the championship meet, for which doping was used to qualify, but then cried about Valieva for exceedingly small amounts of TMZ, weeks before the Olympics, with clean tests at the Olympics. USADA is a joke of an organization.
Kamila really was a sacrificial lamb. She had so much amazing talent but Team Tut couldn’t help but screw her over for their own benefit.
I'm convinced that they should ban minors from the Olympics.
Seeing Putin sleeping in the stands was funny!
I know too much about this I don't need to watch another video I know too much about this I don't need to watch another video I know too much about this I don't need to watch another video
I'm watching it
24:38 can we take second for this 💀
what it is
“Video is not available.”
Yet, I am still getting recommendations for this video? What’s going on?
I’m waiting for that second episode !!!!
I am happy that after this they have voted to increase the age minimum to 17.
They're needs to be a serious conference with the worlds figure skating organizations coming together and say in one voice. In women's figure skating - age for triple jump training is like 12, none being competed until they are 17. Then be 18 & older at the world's and Olympics.
I'm sick to death of these baby ballerina malnourishment camps called skating groups or clubs. We're talking about injuries that could be prevented and enable people a chance to compete healthier than they are. I am actually glad that Kamila Vallieva got her judgment. It might put some physical health back into her body. Most of Eteri's athletes look sickly and maybe Eteri should have taken the whole blame from her student.
Olympics was an absolute sh*t show and ruined the sport for me yet again. Especially because Kamila is such a 1 in a Mio. skater, even without her jumps she has such a presence and artistry on the ice. I hope this is not the end of her career, but I would have loved for Eteri to finally be stopped. And I have to admit that I liked watching competitions without Russia, not because if the absence if their atheltes, but you knew there would be no drama (besides falls). The video was very good and I'd love for you to make one about scoring, since it is a hot topic for many years now.
Kamila🥰🥰🥰❤️❤️❤️
as an ex-academy player who played in England watching your weight constantly and getting injured that ends your career are not a farm concept from me. I have seen these hundreds of times many boys just loose their careers before even having one.
THEY HAVE WORKED SO HARD- youre making them look like they were born- chosen- doped and then rich
Let me know if I got it right? She spoke the truth that she used dope, witch on one hand is immoral for the other contenstants, but on the other hand is extremly brave thing to admit considering her freadom and sadly, she took all the blame and not the system that pushed her to cheat.
I will always love Eteri's girls and all other russian female figure skaters. They are truly great and interesting!
Interesting take away from this video
may I declare my respect, dear stranger.
They can do the jumps, very well, but they are so robotic. They’re interpretation of music is very poor.
I don't think any of this is Kamila's fault. Eteri, the girls' doctor & handlers on the team are in control over what they eat, how much they eat, which isn't enough for growing children. The girls obediently take their "vitamins" & liquid diets without question. Learn from the Secrets of the Dead episode "Doping for Gold." It sounds like the exact same thing is being repeated. Coaches don't make money without producing winners. Injured, broken, late teens are thrown away like trash. Unless, of course, the Eteri team (and judges) have been threatened with having their knees broken & their fingers cut off. Russia is run, after all, by Vladimir Putin. People who cross him conveniently disappear. The Russians used to combine the study of ballet along with figure skating, which made Russian skating so beautiful. Grinkov and Gordevia, double Olympic champions, are an excellent example of artistry, strength and grace. They had an illustrious career until his tragic sudden death in 1996. This should be the goal of Russian coaches for their skaters. Katia and Sergei ate real food and were never doped by unscrupulous coaches and doctors. I think malnourishing their athletes is not only cruel, it's cheating. It's terrible that it doesn't bother anyone to ruin perfectly good athletes & discard them when they're permanently injured physically and phycologically. Does anyone even care about these children? 😢💔
Valieva is the best figure skater in the history of figure skating. And she has been since she was 11.
insane omfg
Against the backdrop of WADA's recent acquittal of 23 Chinese swimmers, for the same drug that was found in Valieva - such videos look simply funny
We are aware of the recent developments on that matter and plan on addressing it in Episode 3.
@@kinsproductions Of course you do. WADA has already been justified. "Justification" is just a form of elegance.
@@user-di2mc8mr3h Spoiler: we are not pro-WADA.
Everybody does doping, just for some countries it's totally fine, and for some not. Double standards and hypocrisy at it's finest
I agree with everything you say. I am in no way a supporter of Russia and I firmly believe that what's being donе to those girls is a crime against both their person and figure skating in general. But I can't help, but notice how when Russia does it, it's called cheeting, but when USA does a very similar thing through Ilia Malinin it's call "pushing the sport". He is a teenage boy with absolutly no skatings skills, amount of jumps that no one has acheved before and both parants - former skates. I think that the similarities are obvious and rewarded by the ISU the same way it was with the Russians. I can point out to a very similar case, done by my own country - just google Stiliana Nikolova, rhythmic gymnast. She is a 19-year-old girl waiting approximately 35 kg, has an obliously prepubescent body and a mom, who is a former competitor. And we Bulgarians, and IGF, close our eyes, pritend this is normal and clap. I wish we can call thing for what they obliosly are and not point to unfairness only when it suits our political agend.
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Sorry for the long comment...I have maintained and still maintain that Valieva was not doped. The circumstances of the testing are very shady. Also, TMZ is not a doping agent. No literature supports a PED effect. The heart primarily uses fat for energy. TMZ throttles that pathway in order to ramp up the use of glucose which is faster, but the person does not get a net increase in energy production. Also, at high exercise intensities, the heart shifts and instead of relying on glucose like the brain and skeletal muscle, it relies on lactate. You get nothing from trying to shunt more activity through the glucose pathway. There is simply no justification for TMZ being a PED. Also, before it was banned they looked at blood samples from a place where many world class athletes were training in Europe. TMZ was present in a ratio of 24 out of 10,000 - this was when it was legal. It's very cheap and out of your system quickly. If it worked, you would have seen it in far, far, far more samples than 24 out of 10,000. I think Valieva is innocent. Her tests at the Olympics were clean, to my knowledge, and TMZ had no effect on her (if we are to believe it was ever in her system), yet she was vilified by true scumbags like Johnny Weir, and she was broken at the Olympics. Treating a child like that is disgusting.
For those that don't like figure skating and gymnastics for the young ages and small bodies - these are two sports where it pays to be young and small. Most sports are heavily biased against the young and small. A person who is at the top of the world by age 14 should not be denied that opportunity. Becoming an Olympian or even a World or Olympic Champ will set that person up for life. These opportunities for children should never be taken away. That is cruel and inhumane. Raising the age limit will only guarantee that parents and coaches use starvation, puberty blockers etc, to keep a child small for longer, and this practice will increase in prevalence as you increase the competition age. You must always keep in mind the incentives you create, not just the desires you have. Every time these stories emerge it's the same crowd with the same mantra, 'no children, raise the age' etc, and every single time it's the adults that let the children down. Where is the punishment for the adults? Why are the kids going to be punished for the sins of adults? It makes no sense.
People need to realize that virtually every athlete at that level is looking for every possible advantage. There might be some sports where doping is rare, but most dope and the US is full of doping. But in the US we have a decentralized system with many designer drugs, specifically made to evade current testing protocols. In other nations, it is more centralized but the practice is still the same. Not sure what the tally is after the winter Olympics, but since the start of drug testing, the USSR and Russia combined have only one more Olympic medal taken away due to doping, than the US. When people throw stones at Russia, they need to realize they are living in a glass house. In 2008 they caught a major middle man transporting PEDs to sprinters. They asked him, "Of the sprinters in the final at the Olympics..." and he interrupted them and said, "They're all doped". That is the reality.
Lastly, before the Olympics I questioned the wisdom of Eteri in putting Valieva in the team competition. I believe she could have put Trusova in the short program and Anna in the long program. That would have been a path to get each girl a gold medal (assuming I'm right about how she could allocate the skaters). She made bad decisions, IMO. Not only did it cost Valieva, it cost the entire Russian team a gold medal. I think Valieva is now an adult or close to it - she has probably been irreparably harmed / traumatized and it's a guarantee that it was adults that are responsible. Doping is not the biggest issue here - it's the treatment of children. We must do better in how children are treated.
Raising the age is necessary though. Aside from the obvious child abuse (that unfortunately will exist in any sport regardless of age limit) it would definitely help in making this sport more artistic again. Figure skating itself has become a sport where only quads and triples are appreciated. It is near impossible for 18+ girls to do multiples of quads in one go. Therefore they will put more effort into the artistry of it instead of just jumping around. Yuna kim and Carolina kostner are great examples of strong and artistic figure skaters who were 20 and 20+ respectively during the Olympics.
@@zarleeno_o7821 Raising the age is a terrible idea. You are, like so many others, justifying punishing children because of the sins of adults. And you admit that abuse will be there regardless of age - that is a very clear indicator that you don't go after age - you go after abuse.
The sport is very artistic as it is. It's just added more athleticism.
If you want to tilt things to artistry then you change the scoring.
What is cruel is starving, physically damaging and emotional scarring little girls and teenage girls! No medal is worth the pain and suffering these girls are put through at the hands of adults. They live life long pain and mental anguish for what? How you can be for that is disgusting.
“It pays to be young and small” No, it’s malnourished and underweight children with underdeveloped bodies giving the illusion of speed and height.
INSTEAD of strength, actual speed and skill with proper technique as a fully grown, nourished adult athlete.
With the right nourishment, necessary age restrictions and technique, women could easily achieve the same things. But, they aren’t getting the opportunity to due to this evil recycling of little girls.
Your priorities are all wrong and your mindset is disgusting.
@@psycherevivedby Your reading comprehension is pretty bad. So is your analysis.
This sport is about physics and physics is about math - I don't care how old the athlete is, they will all be starving themselves to get as small as possible. The difference will be that older athletes will do it themselves while the younger ones will have a parent or coach bearing down on them constantly to impose the discipline. The result will be the same with regard to starvation, and for older skaters it might be worse. Weight loss drugs and other substances will be rampant and increase in use as you increase the age requirement.
I'm not for abuse - if you could actually read and not just emote, you would see that. You're in that group that thinks age limits will magically fix things, and it won't do that at all.
There is no "illusion" of speed and height. There's a reason the older skaters are not doing the same maneuvers. Again, it's about physics.
The older skaters are not and will not ever do the same things that Valieva was doing at 15. Physics. Again, physics. You have a profound lack of awareness here. Tuktamisheva(sp?) is a great example. She is impeccable in her technique and has taken care of herself better than anyone - and where does she rank next to the younger girls? Several spots below. That's just the way it is. Things are not unfair for her, either. She was at that age once and she's been a champion before, but those days are behind her, even though she is incredibly talented and still one of the best.
Your inability to see cause and effect is what's disgusting. People like you with these misguided ideas about age limits will guarantee that more girls endure more hardship because they, their parents, and their coaches will go to even greater lengths to keep them small and light for longer periods so they are still small once they progress to whatever arbitrary, ridiculous age you impose on them. Even worse, this will be done when these girls are still classified as juniors and hardly any attention is paid to them, so they will suffer in anonymity and no attention will be paid to what's going on. Only the ones that can emerge from that, into the senior ranks, still super tiny, will still complete, and rest assured the trail of broken bodies prior to senior competition eligibility will get longer.
You are yet another person that believes you can apply arbitrary sets of rules and magically the abuse will disappear. The abuse will remain if you don't address the abuse. You have to run the coaches out of the sport when they harm athletes. But your misguided efforts will only serve to increase suffering, increase abuse, and punish some of the world's best athletes because you don't think they're old enough.
Your position here is absurd. It discriminates against younger athletes and sets the conditions for even more abuse than what you are complaining about currently.
@@charlestoddsullivanforpres6628There is a reason age limits exit in most areas of human endeavour. Even for something as physically harmless as the Eurovision song contest, you have to be at least 16 to perform. Because it's recognised that some pressure situations are not suitable nor healthy for children.
If athletes in a sport are consistently at the top of their game at 14/15 before becoming 'expired' by 18...that means the nature and culture of the sport should be evaluated, not that we should simply adapt to treat the idea that some elite sports are for children as the norm. Children are not mentally equipped to deal with the pressures of performing on the global stage, you don't need to look behind the trauma of the Eteri girls at the 2022 Olympics to see that.
Artistic gymnastics in the US had a similar culture for a long time. And you're probably aware of the abuse that was happening behind the scenes there. In this example, you can see how changes in the culture have led to greater longevity. Heck, Simone Biles is still competitive at 27! In the era of Marta Karoliy she would have been considered over the hill 7 years ago.
It's not just that some sports need you to be young and small. It's that the culture within some sports create an environment where adults push children beyond their limit and use any means necessary to win.
Thank you for this I am a huge figure skating fan. I had completely checked out of the Women's decipline for this reason, now that they are not able to compete internationally the vacuum left is just as bed too.
I had sympathy for kamila valieva b/c she was child, but evaporated when she went back to Russia.
Good video thanks for making this again
You're mad she went back to her home country, where her family is, along with everything else she knows in life? I don't understand.
And what you wouldn't move back to your country where your family and friends are?
The ai voice is off putting. Original text to speech at least has an endearing quality
Is there a part 2 that I missed? I watched that whole thing and now I need my part 2. Leaving me on a damn cliffhanger 🫶🏾
i blame Valieva's parents. they know the cost of 'glory'. yes their kid is talented but my gosh they know. how could they not know. each and every eteri girl in recent years that had retired was due to only two things, eating disorder or injury.
That is the problem IMO, everyone is so self rigthious and so fast to blame .. Too many "concerned" adults who attacked and bullied systematically this beutiful young hard working athleete.. and hurt her under pretence that they worried abuot whatever( children, weight, doping, abuse, etc).. .. Mastery and artistry of this kind cannot be achived by substances, steroids or stimulants, - only hard work and God's grace.. I can see the frustrations of thouse who cannot devote, endure day in and out work, sacrifise and cannot achive the hights of artistry and therefore tantruming and want to change the rules..( not just figure s skating, syncronized swimming, rhythmic gymnastic, etc)
If they have it their way- it would simply make figure scating mediocre sport like curling- popularity will drop and phases out into obliviion.
wtf pathologic ost
It is obvious that these Russian girls have been doped. They look extremly over energized as they spin and jump around the ice. I have never seen anything quite like this. Unfair to other skaters who play by the rules.
of course it makes total sense, if you have never seen sometning, it is something that could have not been!
Trusova's jump layout was not more difficult than Nathan Chen's. She didn't even have a triple axel.
The base value for Trusova’s FS is 95.39. The base value for Chen’s FS 94.34.
@@kinsproductions Nathan's planned base value was higher. He singled a triple in combination with his last quad.
Look at it positively, y’all: With the new age limits, Eteri’s empire will likely crumble overnight.
i do not think so, but if will, you will be upset wiht Korea, Japan and China( mark my words)
Russia always had the best skaters. Love Sochi. proud country we should make amends with Russia. They have so much to offer the world instead of being shut up just because somebody doesn’t like their philosophy on life those days of torture. Their people are over. I don’t think Putin’s like that at all.
Should we call the Sambo Academy the "Doping Academy". So none of these skaters have won fairly, they've all been drinking dope!! Surprise, Surprise!! Not!
Athletes may compete under the same rules at the Olympics but countries hardly ever follow those rules....do they? No!
dont kid yourself, everybodys on steroids
Lmao what are you talking about 😂😂😂😂
And worst of all she danced to “Bolero”. Desecration
Desecration of what?)
I agree. Bolero is a beautiful piece. It deserves excellent skating to accompany it
Yessss
This is an incredible video. I have saved to watch again. However, WHY will you not mention the name of Ukraine? I have lost family members in this genocidal invasion.
Wow. This was so powerful and chilling. You hit the nail in the head: Russian and Eteri's "dominance" is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. I can't wait for more. Well done 👍
Sergei Polunin although not a skater but a ballet dancer is this way now as well. He has three Putin tattoos on his chest. Great dancer but sad he’s gone this way as well
This is jealousy, if the US was winning no one would say shit
I have to offer my opinion on this.
1. Russia is not the only one guilty of exploiting athletes. Check the American gymnastics team molesting.
2. Russia is not the only one using dangerous substances. Check body-building and how people are actually dying.
3. America does it way better using child stars to rake in money. Check Ezra Miller.
4. I am sorry, but the Olympics have become more and more political. Check those RUclipsr's rants about how Simone Biles betrayed American values when she quit part of the games.
This doesn't mean Russia is not guilty. This means
1. There are some systematic problems worldwide with professional sports.
2. Anyone is capable of doing something evil. Accusing a specific group while ignoring others will only make things worse. If there is a loophole, people are going to exploit it.
Russia's athletics are state-run. US Gymnastics, Figure skating and other sports are private organizations that receive no government funding. It is an apples and oranges comparison. Yes there was abuse in gymnastics. The perpetrator was prosecuted and is in prison basically for life. The organization paid out hundred of millions of dollars to victim and have pledged reform. Where is the same accountability and commitment for what Russia has done?
Whattaboutism in 4 easy steps
Yeah, he's in jail for the rest of his life. Your point?
@@skatefan9495Back under your bridge. Little troll.
@@GrahamCStrouse The truth hurts.
Russians carry this sport to the another level
Figure skating going backward without them
Are you advocating for girls to use puberty blockers until 17? That's what Russia did
it is better to go backward than traumatize kids and teenagers
Спасибо за видео. Спасибо, что говорите про войну. После того, как Аделинп Сотникова украла победу и получила золото, Путин анексировал Крым. Вы всё правильно говорите, он использовал победы спорсменов как гитлер
People of Crimea had a referndum and expressed their will to be part of Russia. This informatin is readily available.
Okay but Kamila's case is quite unique... the meds (TMZ) is super easy to get, and no other athlete from her camp was ever tested positive. I don't care about Eteri. But I hate that people try to make Kamila look like a "poor abused child". She was almost 16 at the time of Olympics, okay ? At this age, american "children" are considered old enough to work and drive a fckn car. Besides, it it used as an excuse fort poorly informed "fans" to put every single russian figure skater in the same batch, while actually , the ones suffering the most from the ban and the age change (and bad reputation) are russians figure skaters themselves. Just a reminder that the ones saying "poor children, they are abused" are the exact same who think they are allowed to trashtalk on literal 13yo kids with "war supporters", "doped machines" and so on. Where is the said sympathy you love to take pride in when defending "children"? They use this as a excuse to be racist, because according to them thye context is justifying it. So i'll say it again but no, Karen, there is no justification for putting a whole category of people in the same batch. Well, for me westerners have lost every credit to talk fairly about anything happening in Russia, the bias is just too strong. And I say this when I'm myself a westerner. I just know how to discern clichés from reality.
They all doped in that club, they were just lucky not to get caught, kamila might have eaten something to throw off the formula. Scherby doped as well it was clear from her state during practice and competitions, when she miraculously recovered by smelling “salts”😂
@@SilenceHurtsMore dear, because you read some conspiracy theories on Reddit doesn’t mean you are right ☺️ you need concrete evidences to prove that someone actually doped. Their tea was tested more than anyone and nothing was found except from Kamila. And just so you know, smelling salts are used in a lot of sports and it’s not a drug at all 🤣🤣 I don’t know if you actually went to school, but you don’t dope this way 😂 anyway, proofless accusations is bad, not only it makes you look like a stupid hater, but it hinders the anti doping process as a whole. If you have « evidences », why didn’t you already gave them to WADA ? 🤣🤣
This is exactly the mentality of a loser. You should focus on how your favorite skaters could improve their skating, instead of bringing down the others. Skaters who are good enough don’t need to accuse other to feel better and win titles. 🙂
you do not opt of of a STATE SPONSORED DOPING PROGRAM as a 15 year old girl. be fucking serious. russophobia isn’t real. We call them all cheaters because they are proven to be. this harms all clean athletes, THAT is why even those sympathetic to the girls themselves still insist they remain banned.
the 2018 ban for rusfed exposed their doping program which included a flushing system so athletes could remain “clean” on tests. they’re ALL doping.
@@SilenceHurtsMore Are smelling salts considered doping? I don't know - haven't seen that before. I would think not, since they did that right next to the ice and nothing was ever said about it, to my knowledge.
Lipnitskaya did not win the Olympics.
She won gold in the team event
@@kwanfan24 That is true, but it is not the context it's being presented in.
This narrative is ridiculous. No drug can give you skating skills. If it were true, American Ilia Malinin would be the biggest drug user in skating. Why are you focusing only on women’s singles. Why aren’t Russian men dominating skating? This is pure conspiracy nonsense.
It won't give you better skills but, to do a perfect program at a contest is more difficult, and thats only at a regular contest, now imagine that in the Olympics, they are nervous, their muscles tense up,it can affect on your memmory as well and the pressure of representing a country and being watched by millions, Influences a lot, there's many moves that the skaters can't do in contest, but they can while they're on practice, it does a big difference
@@RenaFurudechan So if you think they are all drug users, why do the drugs only work for the women skaters and not the men?
@@quatele I never said that they're all drug users, I only talked abt the influence in athletes
it’s for more training. the medications she was on helped with endurance and stamina. those girls train quads 10x more than skaters from other countries who try them. They’re doing 10+ quad attempts per session when most other skaters are trying 2 or 3 tops. this is a very tired argument. no magic pill gives you skating skills but they do give you the energy to train longer and harder.
@@fsc4823 Why do the drugs only work for the women skaters and not the men?
Когда начала смотреть надеялась что увижу непредвзятная отношения к русским спортсменом и не услышу очередное дермо из пропаганды западных СМИ.
Вы не видите картину целиком. У вас толька односторонная представления о ситуации с Камилой.
Очень жаль.
Купи себе мозги. Говорю тебе это как коренная москвичка 😂🤡🫵
@@prisonisinourminds8070 Ты больше нуждаешься его 🙄
@@soliharahmatullayeva как можно быть таким тупым человеком в 2024 году, слушай дальше Путина
@@prisonisinourminds8070 а путин-то тут каким ветром? люди фигово относятся к фигуристкам, и это объективное мнение
@@vigdisrename2537 почитайте про родченкова и события 2014 года. Спорт один из его известных оружий пропаганды
Girl on a Ball is my favourite Kamila Valieva program ever. She has so much potential, she had and still has it.
Prior to going to Eteri, she trained under Moskvina's school.
They probably ruined most talented skater in years and the world stood there and watched. But most important they ruined a child. I do not care, I do not think she knew what she was taking. She knew them as dietary supliments.
Yet she went along with the concocted lie that she got it in her grandfather's food. BTW, there is no evidence he even takes that medication.
lol
propaganda vs propaganda vs propaganda vs propaganda....
Whattaboutism at its finest. Go take a flying leap.
Ну да. Иностранцы всегда всё знают лучше.)))))))))))0000
Камила Валиева не сидела на ДОПИНГЕ. У неё в крови был обнаружен препарат, который принимал её дедушка с проблемами с сердцем. У неё в крови было обнаружено его МИЗЕРНОЕ содержание. Просто западные фигуристки ни о чём. Им до наших как до луны пешком. Да, согласна с тем, что контролируют вес спортсмена. Я сама занималась профессионально фигурным 11 лет. И да, у нас было по 3-4 тренировки в день, жёсткие диеты и контроль веса каждую неделю. Это плохо сказывается на здоровье. Но это спорт, жестокий, и даже очень. Результат требует жертв.
Что за бред. Адвокаты представляющие Камилу даже не опровергли факт что у нее был допинг мало того еще и принесли документы что она была на 60 разных добавках. Ее напичкала Этери по заказу Путина, та же история что была в 2014 году. И если бы Америка хотела бы забрать «наше» золото то они бы убрали вообще всех фигуристок а не только Камилу потому что в итоге все равно бы победила либо Саша либо Аня. Купите себе мозг и отключите свои недалекие эмоции
@@prisonisinourminds8070не-не… по заказу Лаврова! 100% инфа!
And nobody found her grandfather 😂
@@juliadizhak8397 yes. the Course must have been a real shitshow with Valieva's side arguments.
слушайте, вот официальная версия Валиевой и ее представителей такая: в сапсане съела десерт из клубники и сгущенки, который сделал дед. Он же возил ее из дома до катка, хотя она жила в 200 метрах от Хрустального, а дед жил в Подмосковье. При этом в суд такой любящий дедушка не явился, хотя была даже Женя Тарасова, парница. Как вы это объясняете? И как ваша фраза "контролируют вес спортсмена" согласуется с употреблением десертов перед отборочным чемпионатом России?
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