Some people will do anything to be the best in the world. You can warn of the risks but denial is a helluva drug. Nobody thinks the worst will happen to them.
"Can you imagine when this race is won? Turn our golden the faces into the sun Praising our leaders, we're getting in tune The music's played by the, the madman"
There's a bigger physical difference between Heidi the attractive, feminine girl in that picture (showing her standing next to another woman) and Heidi at the 1986 European Championships, than there is between doped-up masculine Heidi and the man Andreas she then became.
At around 2:20 the translation of Andreas Krüger is wrong (ok, that he said that he toke the pills because he trusted the trainers and he was never informed about where the pills where for - he was told of "vitamins", that's right. But everything else is just wrong.) ... I have not seen the film right to the end right know. Perhaps there are further wrong translations later, too.
Krüger = Krieger. Now I have seen the film to the end. Althrough I could not not understand all german words anymore, I think that the rest of the translations were - more or less - right. Althrough mostly, they were told in a more sensational, more 'loud' tone, than Andreas is speaking himselfs.
She was turned onto elite sports like many young girls are turned onto turning tricks. 1. Lie about drugging her. 2. Keep her doped up to perform through the pain and abuse. 3. Keep her chasing the money until she is worn-out/burned out.
No many many transgender men look like Andreas. It's called you only "see" the ones that don't, the ones that do walk right by you and you would never know. It's mainly due to how long somone is on hrt. After 5 6 7 years.. basicly indistinguishable. But also how young they are when they start is also a factor however nowadays trans kids are able to get treatment earlier because we now have awareness of this medical condition and it is slowly becoming less taboo. So trans people passing flawlessly will become the norm in the decades to come.
Andreas deserves to be happy and it was horrific what his coaches did to him. Oddly enough--with all his masculinization--I still see small remnants of the woman in him.
That's what they want to do to our kids in the name of compassion. Let this be a warning to all the parents out there contemplating on putting their kids on hormones.
Caspar yes! Totally loved this show. I am going to go search for more episodes now. Funny how the thing about journalism shows like this that hasn’t changed is that they still like to do a lot of sensationalizing through editing to make people’s heart strings pulled. Not that this is not a generally accurate story but they definitely could have picked several other Athletes to talk about doping with that also had similar focal points.
He should, not she.... The coaches and people involved are probably in their 70s and 80s, or dead. It's too late to take legal action, and generally you don't have decades to sue, usually it's only a handful of years.
She said she was able to train (lifting weights) for 6 hours, something she had never done before, and she also trained til the skin on her fingers came off (no pain) did not bother her in her own words. She won tournament after tournament and was physically larger than her competitors. Surely the glory she received outweighed the unusualness of it all and she refused to ask questions. She has to take some blame for her life now.
LOL. The "footage from Eastern Germany" is footage from modern Germany, often the western part, with a grain and defect filter applied. Cannot take anything after that serious.
Around 4:01 the narrator says "By 1991 her career was over." The Berlin wall came down in November 1989 and Germany reunited in October 1990. The very least they could have done for her was tell her the truth, stop the pills and pump her full of estrogen. It might have restored her body's ability to produce the right balance of hormones that a woman needs.
What a story what's one individual being subjected to doping. E.G govt said it's supplements. They didn't have a clue with their bodies turning more male like?Maybe Andreas the others from East Germany were too young to realize this since they were in there twenties. Would be an interesting movie I wonder if this correlates with what's happening with trans male transgender athletes transitioning to female. Giving them the confidence to participate in women's sports like swimming. I don't feel that the women who remain women are giving a fair shake when men were having completely transitioned are allowed with their high testosterone and muscular development to participate in women's sports purchase doesn't sound fair.. even college wrestlers have white categories too not give a weight most likely strength advantage over the smaller wrestlers. Does that make sense? Also it's like the special Olympics back 20 years ago weren't disabled athletes will participating in various sports. And back in Spain the coach trained non-disable athletes and pass them off to the Olympic committee that they were disabled. Watching them play basketball it never think they were disabled making all those great shots.. that's a disadvantage for the disabled. That was a big scandal the coach should have been hung upside down like Mussolini
Heartbreaking... I'm glad now they test hormone levels and dopping in sport people, clearly her abilities were enhanced and she was way above women's category in which she was competing at the time when she was in a forced transition. Hope he found peace now and is content with his life!
If someone told me this 'guy' was a woman I would never believe them. 'He' has a deeper voice than the translator lol. 'He's' even balding like a dude.
She didnt have to get a sex change operation, she would have gone back to "normal" with time, and supplementing with estrogen pills would have made the feminisation faster. However if she is happy living as Andreas, there is nothing wrong with that.
@@post_ian94 That's the only issue i have with this, sadly thanks to this government wanting to up their chances in winning, transphobes have a source to cling to
There's a key factor that is being misunderstood here, judging by some of the comments... Andreas had already felt gender dysphoria, prior to unknowingly being given steroids. The fact that he is trans is not the result of steroid use, although that ultimately contributed to develop masculine traits.
He is married and has a Child. It was revealed in a newer film, that is entirely in german tho. It can be found on the german anti doping agencies website.
moronero That's because she was being pumped since at least 16. Heavy dosages of Turinabol. Tbol has heavy anabolic rating...for a woman that's just asking for trouble.
Moronero - @ 2:25. I wouldnt' say so. The vast majority of pictures and footage are either mid-doping or after. @ 2:25 only really gives you an insight of before.
Why? It's true. Especially when so much money is on the line, it makes much more sense to not even tell the athlete what they're taking, or to lie to them by saying they're taking B-12 shots.
That's why if you people are gonna keep scrutinizing trans-female athletes, then you better scrutinize the cis-gender females abusing testosterone even more
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I wouldn't call the story incredible, but sad and horrible
Incredibly sad and horrible.
He even said that the choice was forced on him...or taken away, rather. This is such a heartbreaking story.
This would make a great movie. Love story, political drama and sports.
facts!!!!!!
@@UCLAfilm01 My movie wouldn’t be gory, it would be human. You think I like what she/he went through?
RIGHT! THIS NEEDS TO BE A MOVIE!!! What a great message!
its actually heartbreaking what they went through. this is how i dont understand why athletes knowingly take steroids.
Ye? I can not understand how someone can drink alcohol and get dumber and dumber every time.
In a lot of cases many of them didn't know what they were taking. Many of them were given injections and told they were B-12 shots.
Some people will do anything to be the best in the world. You can warn of the risks but denial is a helluva drug. Nobody thinks the worst will happen to them.
They were lied to, it says in the interview
They were East German they had no choice . Either take the steroids or be declared and enemy of the state and thrown in prison
"Can you imagine when this race is won?
Turn our golden the faces into the sun
Praising our leaders, we're getting in tune
The music's played by the, the madman"
There's a bigger physical difference between Heidi the attractive, feminine girl in that picture (showing her standing next to another woman) and Heidi at the 1986 European Championships, than there is between doped-up masculine Heidi and the man Andreas she then became.
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@@migayla3641*she. Putting wheels on a house doesn’t make it a car, you can’t force people to live in your delusions.
@@migayla3641*She
He
It is bizarre indeed.
At around 2:20 the translation of Andreas Krüger is wrong (ok, that he said that he toke the pills because he trusted the trainers and he was never informed about where the pills where for - he was told of "vitamins", that's right. But everything else is just wrong.) ... I have not seen the film right to the end right know. Perhaps there are further wrong translations later, too.
Krüger = Krieger.
Now I have seen the film to the end. Althrough I could not not understand all german words anymore, I think that the rest of the translations were - more or less - right. Althrough mostly, they were told in a more sensational, more 'loud' tone, than Andreas is speaking himselfs.
What is the correct translation?
@@jones2277 Hi from a German native speaker. Don't worry the translation is a 100% correct.
Heidi literally looks like my brother-in-law when he was competing. And he too is German descended.
It's great that it worked out for them. It's awful what was done to them.
She was turned onto elite sports like many young girls are turned onto turning tricks. 1. Lie about drugging her. 2. Keep her doped up to perform through the pain and abuse. 3. Keep her chasing the money until she is worn-out/burned out.
Yes accurate and deplorable their motives; money and recognition
she is no victim. She knew exactly what she was getting herself into. We all have a choice!
Sadly that was the communist way , and they were still doing it Russia until recent, until a couple of athletes spoke out
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@@BrayoFitnessTrainer its very obvious that she didn't know what was going on
Thats mindblowing. To do that to someone without consent is utterly mindblowing
This is criminal.
Sad story hope he finds happyness
she
@@notagarbage6728 shut up...
@@notagarbage6728he
Most trans-men, you can tell. With Andreas, I’d never guess.
No many many transgender men look like Andreas. It's called you only "see" the ones that don't, the ones that do walk right by you and you would never know. It's mainly due to how long somone is on hrt. After 5 6 7 years.. basicly indistinguishable. But also how young they are when they start is also a factor however nowadays trans kids are able to get treatment earlier because we now have awareness of this medical condition and it is slowly becoming less taboo. So trans people passing flawlessly will become the norm in the decades to come.
the only ones you can tell and pick on are early in their transition
most trans guys are transparent and look like any other dude on the streets
His hands are a bit small, but other than that, you can't tell.
you actually can't tell with most trans men, you just notice the ones that don't pass.
Andreas deserves to be happy and it was horrific what his coaches did to him. Oddly enough--with all his masculinization--I still see small remnants of the woman in him.
He is still a woman. Chromosomes tell the truth.
he looks like jeff seid
That's what they want to do to our kids in the name of compassion. Let this be a warning to all the parents out there contemplating on putting their kids on hormones.
What happened to this brilliant show. Used to be on really early in the morning ...
Caspar yes! Totally loved this show. I am going to go search for more episodes now. Funny how the thing about journalism shows like this that hasn’t changed is that they still like to do a lot of sensationalizing through editing to make people’s heart strings pulled. Not that this is not a generally accurate story but they definitely could have picked several other Athletes to talk about doping with that also had similar focal points.
Absolutely brutally horrible what they did to
Guys pls change the title of your channel it's hella confusing sometimes
He already looked like a cute guy at the Olympics
A heartbreaking story and this us what you took from it?
Well yeah... bc he was on heavy dose of steroids. Didn't you understand the video?
I wouldn't say cute, but he definitely had male and female characteristics, very strong male characteristics.
He literally looks like my brother-in-law who is German descended. He looks like him during his competing years.
Ironic that it's TRANS world sport covering this story. Get it?
Trans Atlantic?
alex ojideagu I honestly thought it was a pro-trans sport channel until I read your comment.
Linus Wärn So what if it was?
lotee Then it would’ve been one. I don’t care
@@linusfotograf I think it is...
I don't understand how professional bodybuilders can take steroids. She should sue her coach.
He should, not she.... The coaches and people involved are probably in their 70s and 80s, or dead. It's too late to take legal action, and generally you don't have decades to sue, usually it's only a handful of years.
She said she was able to train (lifting weights) for 6 hours, something she had never done before, and she also trained til the skin on her fingers came off (no pain) did not bother her in her own words. She won tournament after tournament and was physically larger than her competitors. Surely the glory she received outweighed the unusualness of it all and she refused to ask questions. She has to take some blame for her life now.
Living under The Stasi run East Germany was not a system you questioned, for obvious reasons.
LOL. The "footage from Eastern Germany" is footage from modern Germany, often the western part, with a grain and defect filter applied. Cannot take anything after that serious.
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4:03 She looks like a guy right here.
That is what steroids does to you.
i guess its lucky that he turned out to be transgender then lol
@@rottengrapes8605but he has damages from it due to physical exhaust
Around 4:01 the narrator says "By 1991 her career was over." The Berlin wall came down in November 1989 and Germany reunited in October 1990. The very least they could have done for her was tell her the truth, stop the pills and pump her full of estrogen. It might have restored her body's ability to produce the right balance of hormones that a woman needs.
From everything I’ve seen, the results of the steroids is permanent.
No going back unfortunately
It’s really tragic she turned herself into a man in the end. Kinda feels like a bad ending.
This should scare those who support such surgeries for youths.
That seriously looks like Mike Isreatel
What a story what's one individual being subjected to doping. E.G govt said it's supplements. They didn't have a clue with their bodies turning more male like?Maybe Andreas the others from East Germany were too young to realize this since they were in there twenties. Would be an interesting movie I wonder if this correlates with what's happening with trans male transgender athletes transitioning to female. Giving them the confidence to participate in women's sports like swimming. I don't feel that the women who remain women are giving a fair shake when men were having completely transitioned are allowed with their high testosterone and muscular development to participate in women's sports purchase doesn't sound fair.. even college wrestlers have white categories too not give a weight most likely strength advantage over the smaller wrestlers. Does that make sense? Also it's like the special Olympics back 20 years ago weren't disabled athletes will participating in various sports. And back in Spain the coach trained non-disable athletes and pass them off to the Olympic committee that they were disabled. Watching them play basketball it never think they were disabled making all those great shots.. that's a disadvantage for the disabled. That was a big scandal the coach should have been hung upside down like Mussolini
Heartbreaking... I'm glad now they test hormone levels and dopping in sport people, clearly her abilities were enhanced and she was way above women's category in which she was competing at the time when she was in a forced transition. Hope he found peace now and is content with his life!
If someone told me this 'guy' was a woman I would never believe them. 'He' has a deeper voice than the translator lol. 'He's' even balding like a dude.
That's from being pumped with steroids. Women were given the male hormone testosterone to. Make them stronger
stop reading Wikipedia and start thinking a bit
I think it's an actor
'Cause he's been taking turinabol and male hormonal pills since he was very young, so it was easier for his body to change
Testosterone deepens the voice and causes hair loss.
Channel name checks out
south park ironi here...so tragic...hope they do well
How is it ironic?
Commies
Lol
I'm with you as we humans
And here we are in 2024 with the same thing happening but on a more political brain melting pace.
And today they're trying to normalise this dreadfulness
What do you expect of Communists???
She didnt have to get a sex change operation, she would have gone back to "normal" with time, and supplementing with estrogen pills would have made the feminisation faster. However if she is happy living as Andreas, there is nothing wrong with that.
People who tried to go back to women had series of miscarriages and stillborns, so maybe what he chose to do was right.
He actually said he felt like a man even before the doping, but wanted to go through the transition by himself, not in that way.
@@post_ian94 That's the only issue i have with this, sadly thanks to this government wanting to up their chances in winning, transphobes have a source to cling to
hes actually a ftm transgender, so it all worked out for him in the end
I mean he's happy now.
There was sn article about Flo Jo , she expressed gratitude to Ben Johnsons team that's before The The scandal
Sad story indeed.
So he kept taking male hormone even after all that?
well, yes cuz one can't just stop cold turkey .It's a gradual process.
the experience made him realize he was a trans man, so he started legit transitioning after the doping
@@rottengrapes8605she was mentally ill
There's a key factor that is being misunderstood here, judging by some of the comments... Andreas had already felt gender dysphoria, prior to unknowingly being given steroids. The fact that he is trans is not the result of steroid use, although that ultimately contributed to develop masculine traits.
exactly
U ain't seen NUTHIN' yet.
Sad ,he can’t have children now and missed out on a beautiful family life.
He is married and has a Child. It was revealed in a newer film, that is entirely in german tho. It can be found on the german anti doping agencies website.
his walk is kind of feminine
Can't get around having wide hips of a female..
He looks pretty Masculine to me
Yep, it is
@@bradr539 Indeed. It is totally impossible to alter the body's pelvic structure.
Her**
Why is it that no-one ever want to be accountable. No one knows what was given to them🤷🏽♂️
I didn't know what the pills were. LOL. I think most Transmen can testify how quickly their body changes on Testosterone.
Holy shhhhiiiiit
😂
She looks like Theo Von from the joe Rogan podcasts
Wow
I veery confuse😕
Absolutely evil
Look how world change today 😂😂
Trans folks be like: this r normal, this b we
Yoga is effective to, all sort harm
1st found out.....1st ltime looked into a mirror?? The eye test should have been tip off that they weren't like any other
incredible
Oral Turinabol is the same shit that Jon Jones is taking, btw.
But he's a man so it works completely different
And Cris Cyborg
So sad.
well damm....wow...smh
1:09 Aaaaah...LOL
Wedding ring 5: 15?????
Yes, he is married
There is no way you didn't figure out you were given steroids. GMAB
A horrible part of sports history.
On a positive note: happy ending 🥰
So much for the Social Construction Theory of Gender
she looked like a total dude since the beginning, steroids might have played a role but...
moronero thats what i was thinking.
Looks like a char from the breakfast club before the steriods lol
moronero That's because she was being pumped since at least 16. Heavy dosages of Turinabol. Tbol has heavy anabolic rating...for a woman that's just asking for trouble.
Moronero - @ 2:25. I wouldnt' say so. The vast majority of pictures and footage are either mid-doping or after. @ 2:25 only really gives you an insight of before.
She looked like a girl before the doping.
was für eine Schönheit
stasi police , the system that he she trusted, and get her price...-)
Fascinating
Everyone wants to feel special
Criminals.
The system failed before, and again but with only the children getting responsibility again... Do the testoron test... Women 500 000
🤢
If someone said take these pills I wouldn't take them
No way you get all that success and wins without you thinking that all those ""supplements "" they were giving you weren't part of it.
Children
The Williams Brothers 🎾
She????
Bull! She knew what was going on in her body
He. And obviously it all worked out in the end. He said he's happy and is married
Wish i could turn into a women
Try therapy first.
Try learning how to spell woman first.
The Patriarchy. Always. Wins.
Lol 😂
only time i approve of being transgender
Why only then?
Noone cares what you approve of. You dont matter.
Why do they only use female pronouns?
He is a man.
War drugs the cocaine speed l s d the gases, a b c
Sleep drugs
Speed drugs
Creative drugs
I don’t believe any of these athletes when they say they didn’t know they were taking steroids.
Why? It's true. Especially when so much money is on the line, it makes much more sense to not even tell the athlete what they're taking, or to lie to them by saying they're taking B-12 shots.
Because it's communism they wouldn't be allowed to question what they were taking
She look beautiful at 14
🤨
Where are the parents?
They cheated and now they’re crying victim?! Everyone knew, including the cheating athletes themselves. Now they’re whining and playing victim
Alot of the athletes were in there teens and they thought there were taking vitamins
She was 16 when she went through this, what the f are you talking about
That's why if you people are gonna keep scrutinizing trans-female athletes, then you better scrutinize the cis-gender females abusing testosterone even more
No one is this naive.
Because it's under communism you are not allowed to question things
Why the east german women did not shave their underarms are mind boggling
A German girl in high school told me that the only women who shave underarms in Germany are prostitutes.
😂😂😂
He was always a man that competed with females. He was just lying about being a girl to win the first place.
Trolling?
@@stevenmckinnon1258 No.
Evidence or just opinion and if opinion then based on what suspicion or simple prejudice ?
nope, hes just a trans guy that passes well lol
I have to agree with you on this one.
hanika on yt.