Stwawbwewy Milk: When Misunderstanding Becomes Dangerous
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^ The Document I refer to in this video ^
So I was contacted after my last video, and realized some things I said/done that can be harmful to people watching/listening. They informed me of a perspective I had never even considered, and I feel it is super important to share with you guys! The google doc in question was an open letter to CreepShowArt who did a video on Aggy a couple of months ago, containing perspectives from CSA victims and information from therapists/psychologists. The doc also contains personal letters written to this youtuber by people personally affected.
Thanks for watching/listening!
------The ART:
Drawing today: Daisy Mae from Animal Crossing!
I am drawing on Clip Paint Studio
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This drawing is for a charm im working on!
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Whenever I read the name "Stwawbwewy Milk", I tap into my fight or flight instincts.
Lmao me too
Same but i only have flight or flight reflexes lol
I hate saying the name
For some reason I read it as stawawaberry milk, but yes very weird
same.
I have drawn my own sexual trauma too. I have made it look 'cute' or whatever because it eases the blow of the experience for me and comforts me. But i have never called it sexy or lewd the way she refers to her art. When it comes to children, those words should not come out of your mouth
I felt the same way with the consumers of her art. Her art is made in reflection of her trauma, and you’d think she’d feel some kind of way when weirdos start cooing at it and saying some really really nasty things about something so dark. From the time that the whole situation went down and I checked out her account, all of who I saw engaging with her art were nasty people who were clearly NOT victims and were clearly...turned on by the subjects. And I would’ve expected a survivor to condemn that, or just not interact with such people and their lewd comments, but she DID interact with them; this was why people were triggered (survivors and non survivors alike) and believed she was vile. I’m not a victim so I have no say in what is done with vent art, but I was very disturbed by her following and it lead me to make some assumptions.
The only time when sexy and children belong in the same sentence is "YOU SHOULD NOT THINK CHILDREN ARE SEXY"
Yes!
I respect you.
And posting it online is still wrong. Trauma art is ok but sexualizing kids isn't
Not criticizing you or your language at all, but I refuse to call pedophiles MAPs. It lessens the harshness of what they are, and I don't think they deserve that kindness or acceptance. I think it's supposed to be a tool to normalize it? Cause everyone knows what a pedophile is but not everyone knows what MAP means.
Edit: I understand it's to avoid demonitization, I was only voicing my personal feelings on the term. Thanks everyone for being kind and informative!
I think she's just calling them that because using the actual word will get you demonitized/your video deleted
I believe it's a term primarily used within the community itself, which I think is fine because these are people who really need therapy and a community to help them process what they are going through, but it can turn toxic when people use it to make their disorder seem not as bad as it is. If it is being portrayed as a positive term, it should be used to describe people who are actively seeking help rather than people who are continuing to act upon/indulge their disorder.
personally, i think they should find a new term😭
MAP has meant Multi Animator Project for years and MAPS are a thing that a lot of young (-18) animators and creators participate in.🥺
(my english is bad sorry if this is hard to understand)
@@jaurstus7862 Yeah I agree it would be best to use a different term
Fuck pedos, but not like the way one wanted to do to me
Turnip child Mae is adorable!
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Everyone is replying with anus am I missing something
ToastyBredd it’s a RUclips channel. Unus Auns. It’s markiplier and crank gameplays.
i dont really see how much of this i can agree with as a victim of abuse myself.
i know everyone is different but endorsing pedophilic behavior (ie the ppg tweet, the "tiny peen" and "trans women cant be pedos" tweet) is crossing a very dangerous line.
And she profits off of it
@@user-yz4jg7xl7u And it's disgusting🤢
@@user-yz4jg7xl7u Its HER trauma to profit from.
@@pre6253 whats disgusting is your attempts to control the life of someone who already had so much control stolen from them.
@@skepticalpanda8862 ok?
i'm a survivor of r*pe and csa and i've been told by my therapist that most of the time consuming and even sometimes making art like that can be MORE traumatizing because it's re-exposing the person to the traumas...and vent/trauma art doesn't excuse p*dophilia...at least in my opinion
@2023: Catalina Florez Zambrano she literally drew children in a fetish situation. Look at kiwi farms its definitely not vent art
@2023: Catalina Florez Zambrano all forms of CP are disgusting no matter what! Its sexualising children even if its "just a drawing" it could lead to normalisation. Pedos dont need porn they need therapy, or a jail cell if theyre offending.
@2023: Catalina Florez Zambrano I think the fact that they were trying to cover their ass with "TRANS WOMEN CAN'T BE PEDOS EVEN IF THEY TOUCH CHILDREN" is kind of a dead giveaway....Like come on,I understand what you're trying to say but we can't use trauma as an excuse for everything. It's pretty clear that this person has an issue regarding children.
@2023: Catalina Florez Zambrano sweetie- drawing child porn is not good. Whether its vent art or not. Child porn is fucking disgusting especially when a grown ass women is drawing it.
"Draw whatever you want!" Ok you know but not fucking child porn.
@2023: Catalina Florez Zambrano It still hurts other survivors. I don't care if your therapist thinks its okay to make, not every survivor is here to look at it or wants you to talk to them through it. None of them tag it for a reason--they don't think there is anything wrong with it and that it shouldn't be tagged. A 13+ website is not a group therapy session. You can vent to other survivors via DMs, create support networks on other sites or on social media, or just keep the actual depictions of abuse to yourself and a few close friends. No therapist will tell you to argue with other survivors online or people who don't want to see your graphic depictions of abuse on twitter and if they do then they can come argue on your behalf personally and put their license where their mouth is.
Also those drawings are illegal in other countries which is why etsy had to take them down. Some guy was taken into custody for a lolicon doujin being brought into Canada. And in terms of legality, drawn or written depictions are a grey area in US law. It can count against you in court if you're doing anything else illegal, so it's not that great to spread around. The problem was that for many sites they actually cannot host it, legally. If someone in any country where its illegal purchased their zine Etsy broke the law. They were breaking the law and actively didn't care because they also think its "cool" to tattoo people without a license either. It's not the hill I think you should die on.
Vent and trauma art is perfectly fine, but when you post it for the world to see without any filters or warnings, then there's a huge line being crossed, especially when it goes against the site's TOS.
I personally don't care what people draw in their free time, but if they post it on the internet (especially if it's sensitive/graphic content), they should expect some sort of feedback whether it's positive or negative.
^^^ you can draw the most brutal things you want in order to vent or for therapy art but it should be kept personal
I was a victim of this for almost my whole life so far (I am 15 now) personally I don't think drawing CP as trauma art is a good thing sometimes if I hear about child getting hurt like that or see anything like that it gives it PTSD so I don't understand why anyone would draw it I feel it will just make it worse this is just my opinion and I accept your opinion I just wanted to get this off my chest
Im gonna say this once *CP SHOULD NOT BE DRAWN*
Yeah, as someone w mental illness seeing art with self harm etc with no warning really negatively effects me. I’ve had terrible dissociative episodes from seeing that kind of thing on Instagram with no warning
@@olivergarden2026 No, I completely understand. I personally don't like the art that Aggy draws, and I personally find it very repulsive. It's something that shouldn't be posted on the internet, especially without warnings or filters. If she wants to draw what she draws, it needs to be kept private.
as a cocsa victim I don't think trauma is an excuse to draw cp. cp is still cp, it's still illegal whether you're venting or not... there are more legal ways to cope. and the fact that she's glad the powerpuff girls were drawn naked + saying you can't call trans people pedos makes me think that this was originally fetish art, but she claimed it was due to trauma when she got called out. also twitter isn't your "safe space." there are other people who use the platform, and if it's not censored, victims might get triggered.
I agree. They shouldnt be drawing children in those situations there are many other ways to vent(through art)
This is exactly my opinion , like I feel when we start questioning wether drawing children in sexual situations is good or not is when we've already made a mistake . This stuff should never be publicized, victim or not . If it's for trauma reasons I can see doing it privately but I dont have sympathy for those who choose to put it on twitter
@@greenasmr001 oh my gosh, exactly. I get it, but... Why would you put it on the Internet where potential preditors frequent? Why would you sell the comics and get mad when it gets taken down for violating terms of service?
@@greenasmr001 It gets even worse when you actually monetize your trauma as a way of selling it out into the world, people have a right to express their trauma but this isn't a way to do it especially if it's something that's very personal. I'm a victim in this sort of trauma but I'm not going to go around drawing pictures and selling them for PROFIT to help myself feel or get better, that's not okay, it's actually disgusting and it takes away from the real message you may want to send that hey it's not your fault you went through this and its okay to express yourself but doing it for profit and throwing it out into the public is NOT the way to go.
I'm also starting to think that Strawberry milk wants to get away with making fetish art publicly without negative consequences.
I think it's great that you're willing to admit when you've messed up, but I don't think Stwawbwewy Milk is the best example. It's not just vent art if she has to defend herself by saying "you can't call trans people pedos even if they are." It's not just vent art if she's actively calling the children in her works "hot" and "sexy." It's not just vent art if she is selling it. If she's truly using it as a way to cope with past trauma and she feels to need to post it online, it should have a trigger warning and she shouldn't be making money off of it. Further more, if the platform she's posting it to does not allow CP of any kind, she should not be posting it there and then claiming the platform is transphobic when they inevitably take it down.
This is not my opinion on victims who make vent art, this is just my opinion on a very specific person who I believe is actually a pedophile. Don't come for me.
Thank you so much for saying this
Exactly!
This comment needs to be higher up
Look in stwawbwewy milk's comment section. They're all thirsty people saying stuff like "this is really hot.".
If Stwawbwewy milk wasn't crossing the border, wouldn't she hide those comments, or rebuttal them?
I understand that the art may be important for her to move on but I am worried about it all going too far at the same time.
I agree. Those things are alarming
Ive met someone almost identical to Strawberry Milk and my personal opinion is that CP shouldn't be uploaded to the internet whether its trauma art, fictional, whatever- because it ends up beginning to normalize it in media- whether they intend that or not. It can also be triggering for others if theres no warning. That kind of art should be kept private.
Agreed, as most people will see CP and use the examples that exist on the internet as an excuse to continuously view it or post it. It comes to a point where whether it is a drawing or not, what’s the difference? They both depict children in inappropriate ways, real or not. While I can’t argue about the trauma thing (personally don’t think you should post it on the internet, but if its a coping mechanism your therapist says is ok then alright go ahead), I do think this case is much different, theres an underlying problem that’s only being excused due to the trauma they’ve experienced.
Actually, normalizeing it would be good. SO EVERYONE DOESN'T HAVE TO BITCH AND COMPLAIN ABOUT IT!
@@thedesensitizedsympathizer5307 Tf is wrong with you.
@@yeeyee1269 Everything. I honestly dislike people. Yes, I'm antisocial. why do people like to be nice.
@Annabell ` I bet you are just a kid. You don't understand the hardships in life, so you Stfu.
im only gonna say this.
im in trauma therapy. (not for sexual abuse, but still.) i asked my therapist if doing things like this, somewhat normalizing it, is helpful. she confirmed with me it wasnt.
normalization is a coping skill, yes, but not a healthy one. while people might not realize it theyre doing harm to themselves and others with it.
the issue i have with aggy is that, from my understanding, she wont listen when others try to tell her what shes doing - making actual child porn that normalizes the act - is in fact harmful.
if that wasnt what she intended to do, im sorry. but thats whats happening.
Yeah man, I stated in another comment that I think csa survivors writing and publishing about their trauma is fine as long as they don't try to sexualize it and show what it can do to a person. When executed well, writing and showing the real effects of csa can actually be beneficial for us as a society.
@@jennyIetterson exactly. It's when it's shown in a sexual or good light that it's bad.
If you write about your trauma to cope that's fine, but there's a fine line between coping and encouraging.
As someone who has trauma/diagnosed PTSD from sexual abuse as a child and vents quite a lot in their art. I personally do not think that this kind of trauma art is OK
Trauma art or not its still child porn. Even though it may be done as a way of coping, not all coping mechanisms are healthy and some do not need to be further supported. I dont think calling the artist a pedo is the answer BUT, saying that to an extent that drawing child porn is okay is harmful to the artist and the viewers/consumers of the artwork (including the people with their own trauma and the unavoidable pedophiles, also in some situations, both). Submerging ones self in their own trauma by making a community of people constantly talking about their's. Will only put stress onto victims in the long run. It will make getting over trauma even more difficult since they've build their internet persona/career as a traumatized person. Even if one gets help with their trauma and doesnt feel the need to express such trauma in art anymore. They'll have to leave all of their followers which can possibly keep these artists from seeking help. Making trauma art as one's career will be only to their detriment and in this case it may cause them legal issues in the future. A better solution is just to support such forums and groups built on healing and growing past those traumatic experiences instead of endulging in them.
I do like the fact that you acknowledged that this was a form of trauma art and not someone being a pedophile. Your lack of assertiveness in this video makes it seem like this art should to tolerated and even embraced and I personally just cant understand that.
its not trauma art, she includes fetishes in her art and has allegedly called the children attractive
This. This is exactly how I feel on the matter. I hope you're healing, I also vent csa through vent art (nothing graphic, usually more abstract or implied.) and I truly find it really comforting, but I don't think it's healthy for her to monitise her trauma.
@@ewfahgehajigeamiefma I dont really think its trauma art either but in the unlikely case it is, I wouldnt want to possibly harm anyone. Yet I do feel like this will be a situation where the victim will/has become an abuser if people keep on supporting this artist.
Cp is illegal her art is not
@@MineralGarbage I dont know for other countries but atleast in the United States "Images of child pornography are not protected under First Amendment rights, and are illegal contraband under federal law. Section 2256 of Title 18, United States Code, defines child pornography as any visual depiction of sexually explicit conduct involving a minor (someone under 18 years of age). Visual depictions include photographs, videos, digital or computer generated images indistinguishable from an actual minor, and images created, adapted, or modified, but appear to depict an identifiable, actual minor."(according to www.justice.gov) I havent looked at all of their art but I wouldnt doubt that they've drawn either a real child or a character based of a child in media. Not saying they've broken any laws yet but again that's why I said it may be an issue in the future. Yet illegal or not it's still morally corrupt and shouldn't be tolerated.
I’m a victim of what this artist depicts and personally I take any form of depicted cp very seriously do to loli art being used as a grooming tactic for me. I just don’t think it’s ok to share publicly. At the very least private the account and provide heavy trigger warnings. People can easily be exposed to this content; which can heavily trigger victims.
I honestly had no problem with your original video. You were coming from a genuine place of concern, as any normal person with common sense would. You didn’t seem mean at all, and you gave us valid points.
On the subject of legality: just because illustrated depictions of minors may be perfectly legal in some cases; doesn’t mean it’s right. I feel like people have every right to be wary of people who create sexual depictions of underaged people. Especially when it is made for the sheer sake of sexualization and not trauma coping.
Exactly!! Many predators use cartoony art and fiction to groom victims, honestly why can't people get it in their heads that posting this (especially on a platform like Twitter which isn't a niche website for stuff like that) is incredibly harmful and will do more damage than good!
CP art is illegal Art is not
MintySh1t seriously...is that what you’re gonna tell me. A victim. You’re a foul human for that, you know :/
MintySh1t bruh you’re on every comment...... this IS cp art ya nonce
MintySh1t why are you on every comment? Do something else pls-
soooo... no one gonna mention the fact she put her fetish on the so-called "vent" comics. Say what you want but this is not vent art, its fetish art.
For those wondering: it was the plushophile fetish. They talk about this same subject on Kiwi Farms Im pretty sure
@Ash Lee apparently in their comics they showed children doing adult acts with/in/on plush toys...
Exactly! If it is vent art it shouldn’t be something you should be getting off on. It reminds me of a youtuber I used to like called TeamPinata who drew csa “vent” art but added in aspects of their sneezing fetish to the children
Vick Rice ^^^^ exactly! Team piñata was rightly called out for being a pedophile. There’s no different with stwawbwewwymilk
@@vickrice6082 wait a _sneezing_ fetish??? a fetish?? for _sneezing??????_
the fact that her content doesn't come with warnings and the fact that she tries to sell it is... sketchy to say the least. you know it's okay to be skeptical about things like this, yeah? Because I don't think some people understand that
Trigger warnings are not obligated
Cptsd can be CRIPPLING to the point where being functional enough to hold down a job is borderline impossible. If I want to profit off art based on that trauma I'm going to fucking do it. Its not YOUR art. Its not YOUR trauma. Its not YOUR fucking life.
@@popcultureoverdosed for sexualized children? I think otherwise
@@popcultureoverdosed while not obligated, much needed in some cases because of it being a heavily triggering topic.
trauma art really triggers me especially when it’s not tagged or there’s a warning. i’m autistic and have multiple “cutesy” hyperfixations. one of which is hello kitty and sanrio, which a lot trauma art is made of. it triggers me when i see those hello kitty teddies ripped up and made into gorey art sculptures, but not to the level of trauma art work, i do love gore and make quite a lot of gore art but what really triggers me and makes me really scared is when hello kitty is cutt!ng or is on a knife or in any violent item or situation and it isn’t tagged or there isn’t a trigger warning. please for every neurodivergent person who hyperfixates on something TAG YOUR ARTWORK CORRECTLY. i cannot stress it enough. DO NOT tag traumacore work with the source material, tag it with the traumacore tag for that fandom or thing.
Same here, I feel really uncomfortable with seeing stuff like hello kitty gore, especially since sanrio was and still is a huge part of my life. As far as I know, I'm neurotypical, but honestly it still hurts to see stuff like this. They seriously need to tag this under trauma or traumacore
i hate that too! i love sanrio but all the “trauma core” art never has a tw and it’s really upsetting to see when i’m just trying to look at normal sanrio stuff
I am very uncomfortable with even hearing the username honestly
I don't blame you
I want to barf.
okay but like...... different when you post your "trauma art" online and then make posts about being happy they drew the power puff girls naked??????? and theb saying you cant call trans ppl pedos if they are????? lmao
this !!
Exactly. She also likes comments talking about how "hot" and "attractive" the literal children in her comics are.
Where is the empowerment or vent in drawing a little girl pissing herself and then confirming that you find it "hot?"
@@sarcasticraspberry8699 like believe me, it is important to talk about trauma art to understand it.... but...... this doesn't seem like 100% trauma art based on her own track record...
@@sarcasticraspberry8699 wait wtf
Agreed, I’ve heard people state she’s a pedophilia.
I'm sorry I still completely disagree with posting CP where its completely accessible to anyone, even children. If people cared about children they shouldn't post harmful content where it can be accessible, truama doesn't excuse behavior that endangers children and other people who will be triggered by it
Facts
I somewhat agree, but if parents cared about their children they should be awere of what they are doing online. Internet never was a safe space for children and it never will be, WE have to protect them, we can't police what other people do, we don't have that kind of power
@@agustinarios1 yeah but this isnt even just dangerous to children. This could fuck with other CSA victims.
There is a fine line between 'dont let this dude swear i dont want my child to hear the word fuck' and 'i dont want my child exposed to CP and the types of ppl who would be looking at these images' and stwabewwy milk crosses the line. Trauma should be worked through privatly and not in a way that can hurt others or children.
CP is illegal Aggy's art isnt
Just because the internet is dangerous doesn't mean people should be allowed to put even more dangerous stuff on there! And this stuff is targeted as childlike, and children can sneak onto the internet and often times it's very hard to stop them! That's why inappropriate things should be kept behind some kind of warning. You dont look at a pile of dangerous glass on the floor and throw more glass on the floor!
her art goes beyond vent art tho. its straight up fetish art, which she posts publicly and tries to profit off of.
your art style is so precious and such an inspiration to me!!
on another note, your perspective and attitude is also very admirable, and you can admit when you’re wrong or misunderstood something, which most people don’t find neccessary in an online environment, or even at all! so thank you for being a decent person.
Tbh I still don't think posting content with sexually explicit depictions of children in it online is the right thing to do. I can understand using it to cope with trauma but selling it and distributing it to potentially vulnerable people who may actually find it triggering is still harmful. You can't excuse harming one group of people for the sake of another, no matter what. I'm not saying people who use these things to cope with trauma don't deserve help, I'm just saying that there must be a better way that doesn't involve putting others at risk. Please correct me if I said anything out of place, I am not an expert on the situation.
As a few other commenters have said, properly labeling this type of content could be very helpful, and that way it is harder for people to stumble upon it by accident. Another bigger thing that might help is creating an online space where people who need to deal with trauma in this way can find resources specifically for them. By doing this, people would need to go out of their way to find the type of content they are looking for and could safely explore it without having to worry about being called a pedophile by random people on the internet. Most of all, it could help educate people on this disorder and on how to properly deal with it. I'm not sure if a space like this currently exists but I personally think it would be a great step forward to a mutually beneficial solution.
its not trauma art, she includes fetishes in her art and has allegedly called the children attractive
Im slightly early so I can see if Yukibuns will see this. If you do, I want you to know that you deserve 1Mil for your amazing art and that one singing vid you did. You are extremely underrated and I hope you know that. I am sharing your channel with all my other art and commentary liking friends!
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People don’t sell trauma/vent art for profit. And also Aggy’s are goes far beyond trauma/vent art. It’s just straight up fetish art
As a victim of sexual assault & as minor, I will never find anything that I did to me as "hot". Not. Ever. And yes she thinks it's hot, she calls it hot. Her child characters are hot to her. I do vent art, & it might be a self portrait that portrays me in a sexual manner, but it's a self portrait to help me feel like I'm not garbage, or dirty. Since it counts as cp: I don't fucking post it online & make money off of it :)
Even if it is "just vent art," cheese pizza is cheese pizza. Full stop. No excuses. ESPECIALLY if you post it on a public platform or sell it.
That's so mature of your part, Yuki!! It's difficult seeing someone look back on the things they said and change their mind after reading more about it. That being said, I don't agree with all the points made in the doc as a CSA survivor myself, but I understand where that mindset comes from
I feel like regardless of legality, making art depicting minors and posting it is morally bankrupt. It’s not just a fact that children might see it, but adults who suffer from trauma may as well. The fact that it is also up for sale just makes it even more icky and troubling.
my perspective is, whether or not it’s trauma art doesn’t change that it’s cp. it shouldn’t be available. and that’s not to invalidate their trauma or make them ashamed of it, i’m just saying that depicting children that way shouldn’t be allowed on the internet (or in real life). and ESPECIALLY not profited off of.
As a CSA victim, if you want to explore it in fiction on your own or with a therapist or in a group therapy session then fine. But posting it online, let alone monetizing it, is wayyyy too far. It becomes actively harmful for other victims in a way that isn't easy to avoid (esp on 13+ social media websites like twitter and such), and also not everyone has that context of its trauma art. Some people might think its completely normal, or abusers can see and use it. Sure therapists might explain how you can use and make art about it yourself or with people you're close to and other victims, but I don't think any therapist is going to okay very graphic illustrations or depictions of your abuse be posted on a regular old social media website. I've asked, since other victims have argued with me they have a right to make and post it and I can just get triggered as far as they're concerned, and therapists have told ME that trauma art is deeply personal and when it becomes shared in larger spheres on websites minors can access then yeah, it's not good. Also anyone can say anything has been "okayed" by a mental health expert. I saw a family vlogging channel claim them taking away their child's entire bed and making him sleep on the floor and a bean bag chair for 7 months was "approved" by a professional so no one has a right to criticize it. People twist the words of professionals all the time when they're caught doing something horrible.
If you're a victim and the only way you can network with other victims and talk about your trauma is through that art then you might need to learn some new coping mechanisms. I get the need to share everything on social media but genuinely not every person needs to be privy to every dark through or aspect of your trauma. No victim needs to make a career out of being a victim and making only trauma art. Not every CSA victim online is a part of your group therapy network and many of us are in different stages of healing or don't have the same coping mechanisms and don't need to be bombarded with graphic depictions of our abuse when we go into fandom spaces or search up cute art.
When vent art begins to get into the territory of depicting very graphic things like self harm or abuse is when it becomes something you need to think heavily about before you share. I have a lot of vent art from PTSD and mental illness and writing I just keep to myself because the act of making it and exploring it was what was therapeutic, not random strangers online saying they loved it.
If your coping mechanisms hurt other people its not your fault for being mentally ill or traumatized, but it is your responsibility to think about it, accept responsibility, and do what you can to mitigate harm. Obviously you can't make everyone happy but like. Not posting graphic depictions of abuse on websites minors can use is the bare minimum. Keep it in a folder, make a google doc, share it with close friends, make a locked account and let only a select few people you trust follow it. There are options. You don't need people you don't even know thinking art about your abuse is sexy or nice to look at to heal. You need to explore those things in a safe setting (which randos online looking at every detail of your trauma isn't that) and process it with the support of people who care about you and love you. If I don't know you and I can see it with all of my extensions to block keywords of abuse I can't handle seeing, then you have in fact crossed a line.
THANK YOU!!
are we going to ignore how the artist literally said about the puppy milk comic: “even if it was just straight up porn it would still have a ton of merit. i do want to draw porn of these characters. its effect on the world is meaningless to me. i just wanna dwaw.”
as a csa victim myself, the doc provided was truly eye-opening to me. i tend to project trauma onto illustrations or fictional characters to cope, but i would always feel severely shameful and hide it away after doing so. after reading the document, however, i was extremely surprised to hear that is is a completely valid coping mechanism instead of something i should feel horrible for doing. it feels a lot better to know that i’m coping with my trauma in at least a semi-healthy manner. thank you for this video!!
The best part of your video is that not only did you decide to educate yourself and apologize, but you informed everyone about the topic. What you are doing right now is way more helpful than just saying something like "oops my bad sorry" because you are actually helping to change others perspective, including mine 💕 also your art is amazing 💕
AWWWWWE! That Daisy Mae drawing is so cute!!
I'm not going to lie, I still believe they shouldn't post these trauma art online. It's still entirely valid way of coping, but you can never account for how your art might affect others. Didn't you show how there were girls cutting themselves because they saw dollieguts doing it? Didn't you say that there was people who seemed to be MAPs enjoying the comics which featured child genitalia?
Trauma art is fine, and you shouldn't be ashamed of it, but unfortunately when you post something online, you don't know how it might affect others. Explore these topics in closed environments with people you trust. Please don't post it to places like twitter, deviantART, and instagram where others can take what you have and run with it. Telling someone to be cautious is not shaming them for their coping mechanisms
This is exactly my thoughts as well
I'm not exactly that knowledgeable on this subject, but I feel like I should get my opinion out.
It's fine if you explore different areas to cope with trauma, but you need to know what could be too far. With Strawberry Milk, I can agree with the point that what she was doing was enacting a fantasy in a safe environment where you're in control for a change. But I can't agree with her putting that out into the public for people to see, especially considering her comic involved minors.
For one, you don't always know what kinda of people you'll be attracting with this kind of content. It might be fellow survivors, but it also might be people similar to that of your abusers simply looking for a further way to get off.
Second, while her art wasn't *exactly* child pornography, since her art style is in such an exaggerative fashion, but their clear implications that these characters can be classified as minors, which could definitely get her into legal trouble.
To summarize, if it's suggested by a professional, it's fine. But just keep it to yourself.
That's pretty much all I have to say. However, if I'm wrong, feel free to explain.
My thoughts exactly. Strawberry Milk isn't...exactly the best example of folk who do trauma art. Not to mention, imo, she really messed her side up by trying to SELL IT. Now with that in mind, there's art, stories, works out there that broach the subject of...things such as R*pe or CP. BUT There's a veeeery fragile fine line there especially with CP subject matter being added into the discussion. I feel that if Aggy was more upfront about that rather than getting defensive, which to an extent I don't completely blame her for it.
Nobody wants to be called that if they aren't one. (Or feel they aren't one for that matter. For her sake, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.)
So bottom line is, Aggy should've handled this better. If we're required to try to understand her side, then she should at least try to understand ours and try to help us make sense of what she felt we're missing. Does she have to? No. But then she should be prepared to handle that her art might be controversial.
Hello I may be what you call "those creeps" that defended and follows Strawberry Milk, enjoys their art, and is not a victim, but I hope you can at least pass the first three paragraphs here, first I want to address that if people "Kept that to themselves" then the internet would not exist as we know it specially since 4chan and many hellsites that keep other sites in check would eventually leave the internet devoid of individual freedom.
Well keeping that out of the way let me explain a bit about legality, first you have to understand that these types of drawings being illegal somewhere doesn't necessarily mean they are morally right or wrong to make or consume, If I am correct there is a part of the world (which I forgot the name of) that it is illegal to chew gum. And there is also a huge part of the world were it's illegal the possession/creation of any type of pornography.
And I am certain countries where these drawings are illegal do not enforce these laws, either because is difficult to prosecute someone (US), or for reasons I am uknown to. BUT if Straberry Milk DID get into legal trouble then it would be a 1/10000 case where it is enforced.
Next I have to stop you with, "attract some kind of people", what people do you mean? the rare 1% people that send death threats to artists that do problematic art? the people who continuously criticize and leave hate for their art? The minor bandwagon that freely explore NSFW accounts on Twitter? ooooh I see, you mean the people everybody calls a "child early access users, (only because youtube doesn't like this word)" on the internet for clout and engagement, that type of people. I mean if you want to call a community "child early access users" then there is the Smash community, the MLP community, the MHA community, the Amino community, the Tumblrerino community, the resetera community, heck you CAN join the Shane Dawson cancel campaign to get some free recognition, or be the 100th person to callout the strange furrie zoofiles. Also I think it is very stupid to call people who engage in this art that are not victims abusers since I can say from experience that we fucking HATE "child early access users"/MAPs, MAP supporters and "something" predators, but oops we are the same because liking that art is the absolute same thing as claiming that 12 year olds are able to consent, sorry for that misconception.
Also, what is too far for you? because if I were on twitter I would drop an essential 50 fucking things WORST than what Strwawbwerry dwoes owo- oh sorry I am not a discord mod, sorry for that.
Just to add more of my thoughts, you may not be aware but there is a constant influence of people like yuki that have left a very negative ambient, either because they didn't know what they would do and didn't have anything else to back their claims other than straight up "thoughts and ideas" of people being things for posting art that may seem like it relates to what they are accusing them off. People who say what yuki constantly and like things equally problematic or worse. And people who make up claims out of thin air to "cancel" a small foreign artist that suddenly has a lot of notifications and has to private their account. I am not here to say what Yuki does or doesn't but she should have done more research into the case if she didn't want "angry neckbeards" criticizing her and calling her out. Sorry for sounding mad here but I was really controlling myself in not calling other names.
@@elrisas8545 (I think my comment got deleted but I'm not sure- so if you see two of the same comments you know why)
Why do you feel comfortable looking at art that s3xu!i$in6 children? (If you're not a victim) Im not trying to judge however when people say stuff like that I automatically think they like cheese pizza
@@elrisas8545 Also while there are "child early access users" in those fandoms, DOES not mean that the whole fandom is built on that.
@@void-xt8pw First I have to thank you for not jumping to conclusions.
And you have a point, those communities don't necessarily revolve around fetichizing these underage or adult characters, and there may be a number of "children early access users" who use art similar to strawberry milk as escapism (I am unaware of the amount or even a percentage), but you have to understand one thing, that thing is that "child early access users" seek a victim to enact their desires on, art may be an escapism but in the end escapism is not a "solution" to their desires, "child early access users" will either search for cheese pizza or that victim. And communities with children are what they will seek, like that motherfucker in the "art" or "animation meme" (I don't know how to name it) community that took advantage of many children in it 2 years ago and possibly spread cheese pizza of them which is probably still curculating online, even the hispanic lolicon artist on Twitter which in my opinion made VERY realistic drawings, and made drawings of real CHILDREN at that, had to go on the child idol thing unique to Japan, and called them "lolis". In any case you get the point right? These communities may not revolve about sexualization of these characters but them having children makes them an easy target for "child early access users" more than these drawings.
And finally I want to ask you something. When you see or hear someone refering to real people (not counting virtual youtubers) "tsundere", "waifu" or "loli" unirionically what vibe you get off them?
i would never sell my trauma art to the same kind of people who raped me. period.
If you're a dark artist/18+ artist, PLEASE put a CW(it's best to use "content warning" instead of TW. Leave TW to the actual, IRL situations) to help protect yourself and other victims
There is a reason I will never post my vent/trauma art
The mindset I'm in when I create it comes through and is triggering, as well as extremely gorey but that's not why I don't post it. It's the same reason I would never record and post a therapy session
It is distressing, triggering, sensitive and personal. It may be good and healthy to partake in in private, but the second you broadcast it you have the potential to traumatize others.
Some of my trauma came from my unregulated access to the internet when I was young, and I will never ever participate in changing a child like me in such a negative way for any reason.
My older brother is a victim of sexual abuse, I have witnessed it too. And, hear me out, while drawn “cheese pizza” isn’t entirely illegal, it has to go through 3 specific tests to see if it’s obscene. I’m not defending Aggy, or other people similar to her. I feel as though if someone makes trauma art, they shouldn’t profit off of it. It’s supposed to be a personal thing. I vent about my trauma through gore/body horror, but I don’t monetize it. I find Aggy’s art has little worth, and I find it uncomfortable and creeped out about it. And yeah, a lot of people do this and we cannot control it. But I just wish that people didn’t find children/child characters attractive. It’s weird and creepy.
Also here’s an article I found about the potential consequence for “cheese pizza”: www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/when-a-drawing-or-cartoon-image-can-land-you-in-jail-33418
I hope the "therapist" they refer to isnt that one twitter user who dropped "therapist" into their bio, said posting kiddie nsfw online is good for u, then promptly dropped off the face of the earth. If you draw vent art of subject matter this serious it should not be posted on public platforms. The intention isnt what's important. It's the end result of that intention that's important. In this case that end result being people being able to build communities around being attracted to sexualized depictions of minors, where they can keep dragging themselves further and further into the delusion that being attracted to depictions of minors is ok. This type of vent art should be kept private.
The person (the therapist) you're referring to actually didn't say that at all man. They simply said "bullying people over fictional ships does more harm than liking those ships". The whole situation literally was just them saying "don't bully people over ships" and a ton of people took it out of context and said that they were "supporting cp" when that couldn't be further from the truth. Also they didn't "disappear off the face of the earth" they changed their @ and privated their account because of people like you who jumped to conclusions or went by hearsay and decided to spread false information or harass them. They removed the therapist portion from their bio in the hopes that people would stop asking for their license, and because people were trying to dox them to "prove they weren't really a therapist". Why on earth are you attempting to misrepresent a situation like that. They literally got harassed and were almost doxxed for saying "don't bully people". Maybe you should actually look at what was being said before you accuse someone of something so horrible
@@frogboy8166 1) asking someone to prove their credibility isnt doxxing lmao 2) holding someone accountable for the harm their actions cause isnt bullying. This isnt the case of someone getting shoved into a locker bc they have acne or some shit. Posting kiddie nsfw is an active choice. Ppl are well within their right to react to that. This has the same energy as jkr saying being called a transphobe for posting transphobic shit is "cancel culture".
@@Sandstimes the original post the person made was about shipping, not nsfw. That's why I pointed it out because you accused them of defending "kiddie porn" when that wasn't even the topic they were discussing. Their whole point was don't bully people over anime ships. That's it. It literally had nothing to do with porn. How on earth did you get the idea they were defending that from "don't harass people over ships". I know showing a license isn't doxxing however some people were openly admitting that they only wanted to see it so they could find where they live/their workplace and get them fired. Some people even attempted to find their address, name, etc. on their own as well so they could send their address to others, so yeah people did actually attempt to doxx them. This had nothing to do with "cancel culture" people like you are actively spreading harmful lies about a person and trying to put words into their mouth.
people don't sell their vent art as comics and profit off it like I saw a physical copy of her comic being sold online
personally, i refuse to post pr share my trauma and vent art because i don’t want someone to twist my art that exists for a purpose into a different purpose
Literally this stuff should never be posted bc it's used to groom. Most predators were victims themselves at one point, so being forgiving isn't good to a point
the way you say "stwawbwewy milk" is just a huge UWU 💘
edit: are y’all ok in the replies- 💀
The name stwawbwewy milk makes me want to throw up 💀
anhako she sounds like she’s being held at gunpoint
Stwawbwewwy Miwk
@@Icrecreqmart34 doesn't make it less cringey. Being cringey does not equal bad
かえで what does this even mean i’m so confused
As a survivor of abuse, while I understand that others do cope through art, I also believe they should properly tag their art. It needs to be put under an 18+ filter to limit how many minors can come across it. Yes, some will lie about their age, but this way others can't accidentally come across it. Also because other survivors can avoid that material more easily instead of coming across it uncensored with zero warning.
From what I know, Aggie has begun to properly tag their art. I haven't.. exactly checked because the subject matter also makes me very uncomfortable. But from what I know they have. Which is good.
BUT her behavior is still VERY alarming outside of just the art. Especially calling the sexualized children she draws "hot" or "sexy" and claiming trans people somehow can't be pedos.
i’ve never been so early T_T
p.s. if you see this you are loved :)
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i'm your 69th like.
as someone who likes strawberries,I do not claim this monster.
Completely off topic but your voice is very relaxing to listen to!
I agree with many of the commenters here. Vent art/trauma art that depict graphic situations should be kept personal. You don’t know who you might affect by posting it. CP is one of those things that is wrong to a majority of the population, even if it is trauma art it’s something that should be kept offline because of how it affects someone’s view on the artist.
Yuki, she was making money of CP. Trauma art or not, it's CP. Of course you find the images gross. I was assaulted as a child, and she shouldn't sexualise that. Personally it really hurt me when you tried to say that what she drew is okay because of her trauma. Yes it doesn't make you gross if you were assaulted as a child. I know every trauma survivor processes things differently, but if you make trauma art, it shouldn't be on the internet for anyone to see, as you don't know the intentions. You can have an opinion, and I respect that, but I disagree with you.
Aggys Twitter got suspended for rule violations. Clearly there is an issue with her art being on their platform.
So I looked stwawbwewy milk up just because I was curious, and what’s absolutely blowing my mind is I’ve met her before. We went to the same university. She went by a different name of course back then so it took me second, but I recognized her art
what a twist!
I understand where you're coming from, but what this person in question is doing is still dangerous. They're posting this for all the world to see, including other victims who could be triggered and harmed by it. Also, like, I'm no doctor but? I cant see how drawing that can be beneficial to your mental state if it has to do with your trauma, it just seems like this would hurt you in the long run, coping mechanism does not inherently mean it's a GOOD coping mechanism. not to mention its illegal. Trauma or not it's still cp
Also I know you were probably just saying it to not get demonitized, but i wouldn't use the term "map" if i were you. The people who identify as this are very toxic, such as throwing around terms like being "no contact" even though they actively occupy spaces where there are minors and I've even seen some claim this label makes them LGBT+, which plays into centuries of stereotypes that have been used to dehumanize us
Your lineart is so good! I'm really curious what tools you used to fill in the color?
The fact you took the time to make a video to talk about all the misunderstanding and explain your point of view and took the time to correct some things and stuff is a pretty good thing I think
You can use the Bucket while referring to other layers OR there's a special lasso tool! I have a link in my discord server in the resources chat!
@@Yukibunns Ah,Thank you a bunch! I already use the bucket a lot so I'll try finding how to do that with the lasso tool, or Might just join your server. Thank you again for replying!
@@tan.m i believe this is the exact tool she's using. as long as you use clip studio you can freely download it ^^ there's an "unfill" lasso too assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=1759448
@@tulpatime Thank you a lot!
Vent and trauma art is fine, but Jesus christ, this is just fetishizing at this point
aww daisy looks so cute! Thanks for the speedpaint
I've drawn some pretty fucked up things to help me cope with what I've experienced through out my life, so let me simplify the issue here:
It is one thing to draw something with mature themes, it is a whole other thing to fetishize it and not treat it with respect.
People can draw whatever the hell they want but its NOT ok if they post something like that without warnings, it can trigger people and make them relive their abuse.. That's not ok. This is a bad example but I have a reeeallly bad phobia of needles (That came from this awful experience I won't go into) but every time I see a needle on TV or in a drawing or something I get really triggered. Of course, shows aren't gonna put warnings for needles but it's still really important, especially for Nsfw stuff. I've gotten better but I still get panic attacks when it happens..
I get perfectly why a victim or traumatized person could indulge in the same thing they suffered in the past and I really like who you explained why. However. I strongly believe personally that posting CP in a public way like she did before the drama and gaining money from it by selling it, it's simply wrong, and being a survivor yourself should not be a free pass for sexualizing so openly and also monetizing the awful act that you suffered.
The content that one does to vent based on their trauma can *still* trigger a lot of people that are survivors as well but don't deal with it like that if they see it publicly, and if they also see that content being promoted or rentable it's even worse.
As far as I saw [unfortunately], Aggy not only does "vent art" or "conceptual/metaphorical works" such as "Puppy Milk". But she has also done direct and full-on CP (that also includes a comic called "Softcore" and a lot of mini "skits" ones on Twitter) and she sells and monetizes all of that.
I think all of this theme may solve if Aggy simply acknowledge that drawing obviously sexual depictions of children is wrong, posted in a more safe way her metaphorical work, and of course, stopped selling CP drawings
Let me use Archive of Our Own for a second. They host potentially triggering content (underage, extreme violence, death, rape, etc.) however, the writer can tag it appropriately so people would know what's within the fanfiction and that they'd want to avoid it personally. I am an artist and a fanfic writer, and in the fandom I write for, there's a lot of sexual content that I personally don't like. However, I just ignore it and keep scrolling because the tags alert me to the content within.
I think this sort of thing would benefit from a tagging system or more private channels.
This is weird to say, but I think there are more acceptable/artistic/non-explicit ways to depict tough subjects like abuse. Some subjects like child sexual abuse should be taken with some sensitivity and tastefulness, as well as keeping it out of reach of children, like having it only be available for mature audiences or hosting it on adult-oriented websites. However, this should not stop someone from creating something to cope. However, I think they should keep the more explicit art private or put it behind a warning screen with what the art entails (like Privatter).
That being said, I don't like pedophiles and would like them to get professional help first and foremost and to keep coping art/writing away from the internet.
tbh im gonna disagree on this one. cp is cp, plain and simple. if they want an outlet to help them with their trauma, they can find one that doesnt literally involve creating and posting cp for the whole world to see. there are very few things in this world that are black and white, but cp will always be wrong and theres not really any way around it.
Warning: long and rather strong opinion ahead
i understand and support that youre trying to put light on the calming, and helpful side of vent art, and how it can help with those who have gone through traumatic experiences, but i cant completely agree with drawing nsfw or pornographic content, or indulging in those things to "cope". there is a clear line between vent art that is legitimately for coping, and art that people like dollieguts or stwawbwewy milk draws. most vent art that i draw, or that my friends who are victims of these things, and possibly other people down in the comments may draw from what ive seen, and experienced.. it isn't porn, it doesnt look like art that could be enjoyed or consumed by people who indulge in things like r-pe, abuse, or "cheese pizza".
Giving the people who draw and post these things a soft pat on the back, and a "youre so valid you can draw porn of minors, or violent abuse, or whatever because it makes you feel better, and more in control" it doesnt really help in my opinion, it just normalizes these things that could turn into actual fetishes, or be actual fetishes, and if not taught that these things are wrong, and allowing these this whole "having control" in fantasy mindset while allowing people to post these things for the world to see... i feel like it could both breed new abusers, and it could further hide those who are actual abusers, allowing real p-dophiles, and horrible people to hide under masks of "oh i draw this because i am hurting, i need this".
having control over something in fantasy can open pandoras box sometimes, it can normalize it for them, for others around them, it can draw the real deal types of abusers to those people which could cause further harm, and it could eventually lead to they, themselves wanting control over that trauma so bad that they then go and seek out their own victim.
there is a lot of reasons why people see this stuff getting posted, and they feel sick, or recoil, or say something. Validating it is not the best decision, it can prevent people from seeking mental help they may need, and it can damage others who may see what they have created, and get triggered, or in the case of work getting drawn in this almost fetish like fashion- it can just breed people who are actually into that kind of thing.
Now there may be people who do draw a line, and keep it all fantasy forever, and despite not agreeing with enjoying things that break what's considered morally correct.. i at least have a bit of respect as long as its kept to themselves so it doesnt damage anyone, but i would still recommend getting help if its something youre into because of trauma.
also using examples like dollieguts and stwawberry milk is also a bit of a bad choice, from what ive seen on them, from what ive looked at from archives, and such... it isnt good, i'm glad dollie decided to change if they did, but i know both of these artists drew these things in very fetish-like ways. that's not a good thing, especially since ive seen one of stwawberry's worse comics which i wont say much besides it looked like full on "cheese pizza", not something that would be drawn to cope.
no hate towards you yuki, but this as a whole is a very sensitive, and tough subject that has a lot more to keep in mind since not every person is the same.
also an edit for clarification: when i say nsfw i mostly mean content that would be considered pornographic, or fetishistic. ive known people who have drawn things such as artistic nudity, and gore in their vent/coping works which is completely fine as long as it doesnt turn into those unhealthy porn or fetish works i mentioned above.
This is a very responsible and diligent way of putting it and it speaks on all the points people in the comments have against the video that yuki put out. Thank you.
You have no idea how much i needed this video. I struggle with a lot of things like gender dysphoria, episodic depression, sexual trauma, bullying etc. And i tend to vent thru my favourite characters/hyperfixations (current one being danganronpa aha). I used to vent thru vent art a few years ago a whole ton and it really helped. I'd disguise it as pastel gore or something otherwise niche, so that not many people would find it and hate me. Now i have so, so many more problems but i'm absolutely terrified to draw vent art or post it, because people will drag me to hell for it. And so this video came out of nowhere and kissed me on the forehead, and y'know... thank you so much for validating my feelings. I really wish more people held the same beliefs as you, so people like me don't have to be constantly mortified about being cancelled for having a relapse.
Also Chihiro Fujisaki is a TRANS MAN and so is Saihara, Hinata, Komaeda and Souda i do not take criticism on this 😌
as a CSA victim this is super uncomfortable. Endorsing stwawbewwy milk's behavior is dangerous. Point blank period. And I ask that you ESPECIALLY do NOT do it in the name of CSA victimhood.
Just wanna share my thoughts :3
So uh, I was r-ped and recorded and stuff by my own dad, and other people too but they arent important.
I have vent stories about a girl going through that with her father, because it helps me. It makes me feel better about myself because Im not in therapy (yet)
Though I would make vent art of the character being scared of her Dad, I would always make sure to put a bunch of trigger warnings and stuff because I know it can be triggering.
Honestly the people who do shame these kind of works make me feel super shitty about myself, because its a way for me to be in control of the situation and I CAN tell between irl and fiction.
Dont really have a bunch of thoughts on it but yeah.
(Edit): Its never explicit art, its always implied. I never actually draw children or anything because I do not like it.
Im also not attracted to children, just incase anyone says that, and im actually scared of having kids because I dont want what happened to me happen to them.
The art you described isn’t a problem! But what stwawbewwy milk posts is pedophilic
Lilia x I know! But some of the people in the comments are saying any kind of art like this is pedophilic and bad so im just putting my thoughts :3
I read the document linked in the description, and there's one main issue that I have with it.
The person writing it seems to be of the mindset that anyone that is upset with people putting these kinds of things on public platforms is simply internalizing their misunderstanding of the subject and "attacking fellow victims". Yes, while trauma art of this nature can be good for the people involved, this person fails to consider that this could also be a serious trigger for other victims that don't share this sentiment, or that this art could also be used to groom children. I find it *extremely* hypocritical that they act as if anyone saying this is wrong is merely using other people's trauma as a weapon, when they themselves act as if no fellow abuse survivors can object to it simply because "they know better".
They get onto Creepshow for acting as if there is a black and white mentality that she is pushing, while also failing to consider that they are pushing the same mentality, but to the opposite extreme. As the evidence in the document shows, not everyone that makes this content is a predator. But as I've seen with other comments on this video, as well as the audience that Strawberry Milk was shown to draw, it is naive to say that no one that consumes this media is a predator, or that putting this out there could be harmful to other people.
While certain abuse victims aren't evil for finding it helpful, other victims aren't wrong for finding it harmful. And jumping to conclusions about either side is *not* the right thing to do.
Everyone's said this already, but trauma art should not be posted online like that, at least in this case. Posting CP makes it accessible to "MAPs" who follow you/ buy/ just see your work. Even if the artist was 110% posting it with innocent intentions, and only to vent, it's still not right. So it's not only damaging to victims who can be triggered, but it's also posting something that pedos can get their hands on. It doesn't mean the artist should be ashamed of who they are and what they've gone through, it simply means that they shouldn't indirectly possibly help (future/) attackers. Victims should have a platform, but this is some dangerous shit. Of course I can't tell people what to post, especially victims, but I still think it's dangerous. If they wanna make a friend group with victims to share these with, sure, but on a public platform like twitter it's almost impossible to filter your audience. I don't know, I just wouldn't wanna take that risk.
This feels like people pleasing. It's okay if people disagree with you.
If all of this is true, and making this art helps a person to cope and maybe overcome their trauma, that's all well and good. However, posting it in spaces where pedophiles and sex offenders can find it and use it for *ahem* their own means is not good. The further problem here is that Aggie actively tries to spread her art and sell it to anyone, and has gone on record saying that she hopes minors find it. Maybe if the behaviors Aggie draws were depicted as ultimately bad or hurtful it would be better, but from what I've seen the tone of the sexual works is not negative in any way.
i literally don’t care what the intentions are behind art like this, drawing children in s3xual positions or manner is disgusting NO MATTER what
as a csa survivor , im not sure how i feel about this video.... but im not feeling too good abt it
I don’t think many of the people defending her saying “ it’s her coping mechanism “ understand that there are unhealthy ways to cope.
Selling cp is one of them.
Her art is cp.
I've looked at some of Aggy's works purely to see what is going on. What she draws crosses the line. It is not trauma art if you're actively sexualizing children publically and selling it for profit. Drawing this stuff to cope should not be publicized.
As a victim of what stawberry depics I consider her content “cheese pizza” if you will...vent art or not this kind of content normalizes sexual activity with children and makes it a lot easier for them to be groomed and stuff... venting is fine and all but they main problem lies is putting this stuff in places where it is easily accessable
vent art is valid and it can in fact help people cope but you CANNOT share it without heavy and thorough trigger warnings. personally i stand behind the idea it shouldn’t be posted on any media aside from possibly private support groups for others with the same experience.
there is no intention of making someone feel bad or shameful about their art but it’s just too sensitive of a topic to post broadly for minors to end up seeing or for pedophiles to indulge in.
also aggie including kinks (ie stuffies) in their art and mentioning the sexual/romantic attraction to her own characters and other prepubescent characters definitely shows that she does have some level of attraction to children
the fact that they keep that "cutesy uwu aesthetic" type aura around them while constantly posting super dark (potentially illegal) is what makes it problematic. if its about coping why make it cute and sparkly? just like the dollieguts situation, painting your trauma pink and posting it in a way that makes its seem cute or not as bad as it is (unintentional or not) is fucked up.
cp is still cp.
I mean no hate to Yuki, I’m sure she only had good intentions with this video, but no, posting this art is illegal in most countries, even owning this type of art is illegal. Being against the creation and posting of cheese pizza doesn’t mean you’re trying to “stigmatize vent/trauma art”, it’s cheese pizza, the fact she puts her own fetishizes in the art and even tags it with “fetish art” is disgusting. How is drawing a child pissing on themselves and calling them a “piddle Princess” or drawing a child masturbating “coping with trauma”? You can have themes of molestation and grooming in a story without drawing cheese pizza. Her saying “I like drawing small peen”, the Power Puff tweet, and her saying how trans women can’t be pedos kinda proves she’s not drawing this to cope with trauma but at the very least are trying to profit of off pedos. The fact she monetizes and sells these comics is also telling. Content warning or not, these drawings should not be on the internet, they are LITERALLY fetish cheese pizza, no getting around it, it’s just gross.
the fact that you went back and corrected yourself is very mature and big of you! you also changed my perspective for the better ☺️
She doesn't draw trauma, she draws fet1sh. She fet1shized her trauma and then made a profit off of it.
Vent art is valid, and it's valid to put it out in public, there's people who can relate and not feel alone. But vent art is VERY DIFFERENT than what she draws. Trauma isn't sexy, she tries to make it so, and that's not coping...
Generalizing all vent art can be very very dangerous to people who create it, like artists in the Menhera community.
You have a great point but I don’t think strawberrymilk is the best example to use since she admitted to it being fetish art ^^
I literally do not care if someone's suffered CSA/etc if they act they way she did. it DOES NOT EXCUSE what she's drawn.
yes, and even if you HAVE to make it, dont post it to the internet ffs
Hi i'm a psyc Major and watched your previous video and I thought you handled it quite well. Honestly, I don't think apologies are in order. While learning about trauma in school we learn that yes, many people do have different methods to cope with it. But one defining feature we seem to see is that most of people who have endured extensive trauma avoid situations within that capacity.
While I'm not saying that there is not other ways of coping, it is just generally understood that many people tend to avoid imagery that reminds them of trauma.
Never in my education have I read or watched or been taught that this behavior is normal of a S.A. surviror. HOwever, our thoughts and in conjunction our feelings are very complex.
My issue is is the blatant disregard the SM has for others who view their artwork. Let's suppose it is Truama art and is used as a way to cope. That's fine, good for them I hope they can process their emotions better through this. However, by allowing this online you are intentionally garnering attention through your artwork. This can draw in crowd's of pedos and other people that sexualize children and that is my main issue.
Again, expressing trauma is not a bad thing. Many therapist, psychologist and psychiatrist see how trauma can be expressed in both artistic expression from clothing to attitude. However, I do not think any of them would condone putting images of children being sezulized online
First time i saw the discourse on stwawbewwymilk or whatever, i honestly sympathized with her as an artist. i understand that sometimes art paints trauma in a romantic or a "rose colored glasses" kind of way because its from the perspective of a confused victim trying to cope. It can be done with so much depth.
Where my opinion changed was when i saw stwawbewwy milk PROMOTING IT AS NSFW/LEWD ART. SHE was the person who sexualized the experience and marketed it as porn and THAT is the problem. Puppymilk, in my opinion, could be a fantastic perspective on the psyche of a victim. But the tone she used in speaking about it did not carry that weight.
Strawberry Milk’s (I am not saying it like it’s spelled, I have dignity.) art it kinda a waste of talent. They have a really cute art style, but they use it for disgusting things.
Also, she try’s to play it off as “Trauma art” or “Vent art” when she draws children pissing on eachother-
I've never made or sought trauma art that depicted topics as severe as discussed in this video, so it might not be my place to speak, but as someone who draws a lot of vent art, had their vent art mistaken for fetish art before (I have a certain way of writing about my fears that makes them blend onto the other side of things, I guess), and seeks out art related to their conditions and traumas as a way to calm myself down, to feel supported and less alone, I believe that vent art does have its place online, and it's okay to post it. Still, if said art contains triggering topics which might harm someone who sees them, there should be trigger warnings and spoiler tags applied, so that people who don't want to see such things are safe. I'm not the one to comment which art people should or should not profit from, but I agree that art which breaks a certain platform's rules shouldn't be on that platform, and that posting potentially triggering vent art without warnings or spoiler tags is extremely irresponsible and might harm someone - I, myself, have been harmed by a triggering piece of writing posted without appropriate warnings before. My problem with the artist discussed in the video is more with how she posts her art and how she has approached the situation as a whole than with what she posts - I try not to judge other people's trauma and vent art, even if it's something I never would have willingly looked at, ever. If she posted her art in a safe place unaccessible by people who are not specifically looking for said art, there wouldn't really be a problem, it's her refusing to realize how dangerous her art may be for survivors just like her and other people who might get triggered by it that's the problem. Please be careful and responsible with what you post online, you are posting stuff for people to see, and you never know who you might hurt by your actions.
the last time i was this early, hamilton hadn't came out on disney+ and Philip hamilton wasn't dead.
I understand the thought process behind vent/trauma art, but I don't think POSTING it PUBLICLY, regardless of any potential tags or trigger warnings, helps ANYONE (besides pedos). what do they get from posting it that they don't already get from creating it?? there's a time and place for everything, that's just how it is. graphic trauma art isn't for public spaces, and private spaces can prohibit it however they want. the POSTING of such graphic art does not get a pass because the CREATION of it came from a reasonable place. I KNOW that being told they can't post it could make the artist feel like they're "gross" because of what they've gone through, but that doesn't mean they should get special posting privileges.
Hey, fellow SA survivor, and... I personally think it's fine, as long as there's tags. It's fine
And while I can't personally speak about posting it (tl;dr, I have aphantasia. Meaning I can't draw from imagination. And since I don't want to... Do the poses myself, I heavily reference other's art)
I actually find looking at it, to be therapeutic. 'Cause it shows, that I'm not alone
Thank you so much Yukibunns for making this video and correcting some misinformation as well as not taking my criticism/ tweets towards you as Hate and handling it while taking the time to listen to my points. Also i applaud you for allowing yourself to learn and change your opinion based on what you experience. While i disagree with the initial point u made about "most everyone criticizing you were ill intent when plenty were speaking out to try and give u information~
This is a step in the right direction!
Also i think youre Cool for it and youll always have my respect in my book for it!
I kind of worded that badly, I think it'd be better if I said something like, "at first I didn't take it all that seriously" 😭 like I'm being memed on or something. I also muted notifs pretty early because the sheer jump in notifs was a bit too much for me, so if you said anything important, I could have missed it 😭 Either way, I goofed up- but I do respect people with something valuable and important to share speaking up! And thank you for your response and giving the change of perspective a listen. 🥺❤️
@@Yukibunns nah you're good i completely understand! Thank you again And as i said before your art is adorable~
I dont really understand why artists feel the need to make trauma art or fetish art or NSFW art publicized. In my opinion, art like that needs to be kept to themselves or at least on a private page
As an artist I agree. To me it seems like televising a therapy session. Also, it seems like intent and outcome rarely coincide. What might be a very cathartic piece of art for the artist and some viewers might end up as erotica for others... I guess it's another situation where there's no right answer. I just hope for peace and safety for past victims, and safety from harm to potential victims..
In regards to NSFW most do it because bills need to be payed and SFW just doesn't pay that well when the chips are down. like during the pandemic, with cost of food climbing higher it's getting harder not to fall back into selling NSFW art for stability.
@@BeartifulAri There are others ways to make money other than practically drawing porn, it's just not my cup of tea is all I'm saying. They might as well make an Only Fans for their content
I'm really glad you were able to take a new approach and reconsider how people with genuinely good intentions might use what they do to cope. The way you described it in the video makes sense when you put it like that, and it makes me relieved that not everyone is a kiddy diddler who supports this.
However, I don't agree with the sentiment that telling them they can't post it online is like telling them their coping mechanisms are invalid. Like you said, it may be triggering to others, and to some people who may have come to terms with themselves and their trauma in different ways, this kind of art could be reopening new wounds. Not every coping mechanism works for everyone. I think, in exploring your trauma within a safe and comfortable boundary, you need to show that respect to others, and seeing trauma art where the trauma is re imagined to be more positive, posting that onto SFW spaces could be infringing on others' right to heal safely and comfortably.
Someone said on my comment in the last video that comparing trauma from mental illness alone and this isn't comparable, and I kind of agree now. Someone could create trauma art about overcoming a depressive state, and while it may serve the same purpose as someone making art to heal from childhood assault, no one is going to take the depression art out of context and say it's condoning depression. There's unfortunately still a lot of people who *are* pedos online, and without proper context or tags, trauma art could be serving the same purpose as actual cheese pizza. There's also the chance that, if the trauma art is taken from already established media or fandoms, kids could still come across it, and their interactions with fanartists and the community might leave them with the impression that the acts depicted within trauma art is normal, or even romantic.
TLDR: People have a right to choose how they heal, as long as that doesn't include re-traumatizing others. Putting extremely sensitive material on the Internet or sharing it comes with consequences and will affect the people who see it. Even if you think posting whatever you want on the Internet is a right, there's a difference between sharing your story and monetizing it, which stwawbewwy definitely was.
im glad you put this out, i was really bothered by what you said in the last video but seeing this made me feel very hopeful in the acceptance of this form of vent art, its the only way i know how to get out ny feelings and it really makes this pain of trauma easier for me seeing people i look up to stop pushing down this very good coping mechanism :3 thank you for this video, it means everything to me and many other peopl
Cp and public fetishizing of cp while supporting cp and bestiality is not a very good coping mechanism. And every therapist can tell you drawing cp while putting kinks and posting is never helpful or okay. Pleas get help for real this isn't okay.
She literally makes fetish art and excuses it by saying it's trauma art. But ooo poor her let's excuse her trying to sell CHILD P!RN because she's gone through trauma :(((
I'm really glad that you saw you made a mistake and actively tried to understand and fix it. I feel like vent and trauma art is fine, it just comes to a certain point. It might not be very good to put in an extremely public place, but better in a private space with like minded people. There are people who will do bad things with that art. I do think it's fine to get out your trauma anyway you choose, but it comes down to where it is.
i don't even think its trauma art, the artist has said before that its fetish art but later deleted the tweets
I definitely agree, this could still be used to help people but it needs to be contained in a place where it can't hurt others.
But, then again, Twitter is an adult web site.
@@mac-n-cheese158 It's absolutely not. Twitter is 13+, meaning there are a lot of children on it. They allow NSFW content, but you're required to mark it as sensitive.
@@meddlinmegs You aren't required to mark it as sensitive. Twitter has to do it themselves through an automated system. Honestly, given how twitter works, trigger warnings don't really do anything, as you're gonna see the art rather you want to or not.
its good to see the other side of the story, but in my opinion what they're doing is still in the wrong.
i think its really great that people can cope with their trauma like that, but what i think its NOT great is how open this person is with that, my twitter have the mature filter on and none of her drawings that i saw had it, I think that the right thing would be for her to make an alt account for this or something like that, because i would probably really like to follow this person for their artstyle, but the subject is what holds it back.
anyways, this is just my opinion on the subject, and sorry if anything came out wrong or it has any spelling mistakes, im not a native english speaker
anyways² good video
I love the way you state your perspective and how you're just respectful and calm and not coming at anyone, and also re-evaluating your opinion. I really strive to be like that.
okay but like her account is literally 18+ in her bio. trauma art or not, it's explicitly 18+.
Edit: I just briefly went through her likes and there's a lot of loli art and loli porn, which if you don't know are characters drawn that are either children or adults drawn to look like children...
I'm a survivor and i've copped with my pain by this methods, but to sell it and call it "sexy" is another level. Yes, you can make a safe place for survivors to deal with their trauma, but to seek profit from it is really gross. I think this is a great way of dealing with the pain, but to sell and describe the way she does on twitter like being cute or wathever is not ok.
And of course i think that if she was really concerned for the survivors she would have given a warning, and not in a form that can be acessed by children, and survivors that don't cope in this kind of way. It's not a shame to have been sexualy assaulted, but to post this kind of crime with children online for anyone to see even if this can trigger some survivors was insensitive of her part too. And we can't forget the time she said trans woman can't be called pedophiles.
I'm not an english speaker so i'm sorry for any spelling errors
Thank you for this. I was pretty sure after your video on the artist who did soft-goth vent art that I didn't want to see your content anymore. I'm a victim of... Well some pretty shitty stuff. I'm terrified to create my own vent art, both because people will attack me for having experienced trauma to begin with, and for daring to express harm done to me in a way that makes them uncomfortable (even though I would, naturally, content warn). Having art that I can look at, stories I can read, that deal with the subjects can be deeply beneficial. Seeing someone say 'this art can exist - just not where other people can *see* it, because that's *gross* and people might *look* at it!' was... Well it HURT. Especially since you're one of the art tubers I've seen who seems to really and truly intend well.
I want to thank you for realising the hypocrisy, even that no one else had pointed out, and admitting it. I want to thank you for having the guts to apologise, even when responses to you were mostly positive in previous videos. And most of all? I want to thank you for getting it out there that victims being able to make vent art is backed up by mental health professionals.
I admit that I lack any documents on the subject on hand, but I also want to state that most people who aren't victims that explore taboo subjects don't want to do the things in question. Even when people make art of fictional children in adult situations, the majority of such people don't harbor any such thoughts about real children. While I personally do not enjoy such art (not only do I find the topic distasteful, but it is triggering thanks to what I've experienced in the past, so I am one of the people who actually *is* hurt by such works, which is one reason why I feel all social media requires tags to help avoid such content) I think it's important to understand that those who make it, even those who do not have abuse in their past, are exploring the ideas in a safe, healthy way. This goes for many of the horrors of the world. For a lot of these individuals, the idea of these things happening to REAL PEOPLE is terrifying, it's sickening, and one of the ways they cope with the reality of the world's awfulness is to defang it, to have some control over it. Sometimes it even ends up a fetish in ways similar to how such things can become fetishes for those who have experienced abuse. Often times the people who end up with such things as fetishes, only have them in a FICTIONAL light, and become visibly ill if it's mentioned concerning real people.
Human psychology is weird. Throughout all of history we have made up stories to make ourselves feel safer. We look at the terrifying things in the world and we are deeply afraid, and we tell stories about those things to make them more understandable, or to make it so that our fears have some weakness. We tell children stories so that things that might otherwise scare them don't, or so that if they fear a monster under their bed they know an adult (or even an appropriately trained child, who knows the 'magic words') can scare away the monsters. We tell stories to explore our own lives, and where we came from, ranging from fiction to history, and sometimes everything in the middle.
The people who told stories about world-devouring monsters weren't planning, or wishing even, for the world to end. They FEARED that the world would end, and by laying pen and ink to paper (Or chisel and hammer to stone!) they gained some control over this. Even those whose primary works are made up of such stories, who seemed to have an obsession with them, made their stories not as a way to make the world's end come faster, but to make their emotions make more sense to them, be that to ease the fear through constant interaction with it or by way of making it less mystical.
Sorry for this large post. In closing though, I would like for you to keep something very important in mind: Look after your health. Both mental and physical. Topics like these can be soul-crushing. (I know because researching them has been a way of carrying out self-harm that took a long time for me to realise WAS just self harm.) They weigh heavily on the mind, and it can get your brain in a weird place when 'Talking about pedo artists' both makes you feel awful and empty, but also makes you feel good because you get a lot of attention and people *like* you for covering things they don't feel able to. Put your health, mental and physical, first. And if you do continue down this path, make sure it isn't the bulk of your content so that you can take a break from it when you need to.
Thank you again.
While I think trauma art can be a valid way of coping with your trauma, I also think it's important to make sure that your way of coping isn't hurting others in the process. Yes, people like Aggy who have experienced trauma deserve a safe space to cope with it in a way that helps them the best, but at the same time, Aggy needs to do so in a way that does not retraumatise other victims that have gone through the same thing as her, or unintentionally providing content for predators to use for grooming. I have seen many comments from CSA victims saying that this kind of content has been triggering and retraumatising for them, and also that art like this was used to groom them. If Aggy's art falls into the hands of the wrong people, many other victims will experience the same horrible things she did, and the art may even unfortunately contribute to the normalisation of the abuse of children.
Ideally I don't think this art should be shared on the internet, but if it is, creators like Aggy need to make sure they put trigger warnings on their work (especially if it's posted to a social media site intended for any regular person to use, like Twitter), and make their profile private so that they can only allow the right people to see their work. Or alternatively posting it on a forum, server or group that is specifically intended for sharing trauma art. It's important for people to realise that not every victim is going to cope the same way, and that what may be a helpful coping method for one victim may be harmful or retraumatising for another.