Our Honest Opinion On Pas Normal Studios & Cycling Press Reviews
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- Опубликовано: 21 фев 2024
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Pns is short form for slow rider in Singapore
The P stands for “Poser”
What does it stand for?
Regarding PNS, the 10 year old boy in me wants to put an E and I in the gaps with felt pen.....
Phew, I thought I was the only one 😅
It's all I see every time I see one of those jerseys.
I like your PNS, may I touch it
I cannot unsee it. At 56… thats why i won’t buy this brand.
I thought it was Hambini who commented 😅
BTW - as of 2024, in England close passing is not specifically illegal, but there are laws that it is linked to (i.e. careless driving) that the driver can be charged with for close passing. The distance is also variable dependant on speed (1m at 20mph; 1.5m at 30mph; etc.)
Very informative! Love these kinds of content!
there is one thing that I value when I buy cycling kits or clothing in general: where it is made.
Go for Isadore! It’s all made in Europe. Mostly Slovakia and the Czech Republic.
Santini!
@@joowwwllllll666 €190 jerseys. LOL. thanks, but no!
The price of everything in cycling has gotten outrageous, but especially the price of kit. Recently, I have taken up running. You spend $150 and you buy the Pinarello Dogma of shoes. Another $30 on some shorts and boom job done.
I envy you. I can't run any longer due to joint/shin issues, and it's that simplicity and ease that I miss the most.
You pay with your knees and hips
I knew a few guys in my home town, who are ambassadors for PNS and are doing heeps to grow the local cycling community. So for that reason i support the company. But also i love the cycling kit (yes im boring)
Dont worry, its just everone else that are cheapskate boomers. Nothing more hip to ride with than PNS. If being non-boring matters for a cyclist :D
Spot on. I always use front and rear camera/lights. I chose Cycliq as together with fittings they about 300g to the bike and have all the features you need - including a nice overlay system on recordings showing where 1.5m is in regard to the centre of the bike. Add in a Garmin with radar and you have GPS location of any incident, with speed of vehicle too if needed.
I must say since I have been using the light/cameras I've noticed traffic in general seems less 'aggressive'.
Same and 100% agree
Im not the tallest with 170cm and I love the fit of pns stuff, first brand which I found are excellent from lenght in the back and front
we need more people riding with cameras for sure. it truly makes it safer for everyone. I personally have been cycling for less than half a year and I ride with a GoPro mounted on my seatpost :)
I don't get Pas Normal at all. Boring gear and drab logo....The advertising is infantile..King's new clothes
Pas normal is very expensive. But their sale prices are decent. I have two of their escapism bibs, got them for 135€ (in stead of the normal 270€) and they're the best bibs I've ever owned. But PNS also sells simple jerseys that aren't special in any way for 200+€ so I do agree they're expensive and not exceptional if you consider the entire brand. Same goes for rapha. But there is always something on sale :)
assos and la passione better
@@FastRider69 Assos is actually a gazillion times better*
its the best man but price is killing me @@EmmanuelNataf
Agreed, I don’t think I would buy it full price…but it is a very comfy bib.
I once tested Le Col's original foul weather jersey by going out in a storm. The weather was so bad that when I met my dad at the cafe halfway, the cast iron chairs outside were getting blown over in the gale force winds and my dad turned to me to say 'think you best get a lift home, son'. Up until that point, the jersey did it's job in keeping me warm and dry.
PNS re defined the pretty cool to completely overrated curve in 10x the speed Rapha did....
I ride with PNS and i'm very satisfied. Its a bit cheaper than Maap, and the fit is way better, for me atleast. Also my Maap bibs wore out alot faster than PNS.
One thing they didn't touch on during the Pas Normal Studios segement is this; just becuase they use similar fabrics and MFG as Pas Normal doesn't mean they're the same as their own brand. Each brand is spending different amounts of time desiging the product, honing in the product development, working with the factories to dial in the fit, and quality assurance. These variables differ between each brand and their respective design teams which could mean hundreds of man-hours difference between each jersey between brands.
Just because they use similar fabrics and have cross over in vendors does not make their products the same as any other brand.
Ive used all Rapha, MAAP and PNS along side random brands here and there. The MAAP bibs seems to wear super quickly compared to the PNS / Rapha ...especially on the contact points to the saddle. PNS bibs have lasted much longer and fit my body down there better (their jerseys are also alot shorter than others which dont bunch up around your tummy). So if you buy them on promotion, the cost differential is mitigated, and you get kit that fits.
I have the exact same experience, my maap bibs wore out faster than the PNS ones i swear to now. I have a newer rapha kit too, but its quality is inferior to both PNS and maap.
YKyWaibike clothes are the way to go.
why?
Can you elaborate more on what you meant at 7:35? Do you guys not control Attacus now? 😢
I just googled it got passed on in December to a couple who own a jewellery company
At least they keep bringing new design and colour to the market and each season there is a huge discount. I think it is fair enough. Assos and Castelli make good stuff but really need to think of design and colour...
PNS is mostly made in Europe like some other bike brands too. Sure, it is overpriced but sadly so are bikes and bike stuff overall. Only buying PNS, POC, Café du Cycliste in sale.
Who owns Attacus now?
i’m extremely mechanically competent, but when I moved into an apartment and started biking I was having to take my bikes into shops for repairs just because of the lack of space and tools I had. I couldn’t stand it, some shops (obviously not all) just get too cocky, some speak to you like you know nothing and some are just ridiculously overpriced for the work you’re requesting. It’s SO painful to pay someone to do something for you when you know you can do it but other factors are limiting you. Well, safe to say my living room can now convert Into a bike shop when needed 🙃
AliExpress bibs do the job for me 😂
The twisted scheme of reviewers feeling they need the product companies, when in fact, the companies need the reviewers to make their products more widely known to larger audiences. It used to be the reviewers that dictated the terms and companies would do whatever they had to to get their products reviewed. Now, with internet advertising driving the online commercial industry, all the review sites care about is clicks and views. The product companies hold their ad contracts like a knife to the review site's throats now with threats of leaving. Video game review sites are notoriously bad at this.
I’ve had a great experience with my PNS gear. Everything fits and wears well. I’ve found the prices to be roughly the same as most other cycling kits as well. I personally only buy gear when it’s on sale.
It’s good that your are raising theses issues about silly pricing but would you have done so when you owned your own company still ?
Well they didn’t that’s why they are out
I appreciate how much cycling content PNS make though. Prime reason why I went with Rapha too without the tall price
PAS kit is great. I wish I had more of it.
I run front and rear cameras on my bike, after witnessing a fellow rider get knocked off by a car, who didn’t stop, and the driver was never traced. It happened so fast that no one could remember the reg no of the car. I rarely even look at the footage, but it’s there if I need it.
That's awful, I hope the rider was ok. I would use a camera if I could afford it because UK roads are a fucking minefield of aggressive drivers
You should be able to do your own chain and brake maintaince, they’re basic easy to learn and bikes doesn’t work without them.
I absolutely agree about the cycling press and the bias they have, I think it’s finally being talked about more and more, and more people are listening but…. And it s big but… this channel sits there’s and shits on brands for their prices but ignores things like after sales/ free repairs/ grassroots sponsorship(rapha) and the big one marketing!! Yes that’s right you’re paying for them to sponsor those athletes and influencers (like Cade media) and make all that content that’s lapped up. I can’t help but laugh at these types of comments when they’re part of the very reason these products are overpriced.
Can you please do over or under rated on Biehler (SYN) products?
There's always been an "it" brand for clothing. Assos, Rapha and now PNS. I really couldn't care less what people wear. Enjoy your kit, but it's really just a bit much. I think the cycling stories and marketing are over the top and i'll see an entire group of riders wearing all matching it with heavy branding. It's just a bit too much.
I cross cyclists wearing PNS in town, never crossed one of them in the mountain. That tells everything
The PNS brand are the best fitting of all my jerseys, all other brands are too long for me so for me I love them! The bibs tho are just average.
Re: cameras on bikes.
I got attacked by a dog whilst riding last year and it knocked me over and the impact shattered my hip. The dog owner claimed the dog didn’t touch me, but the whole thing was recorded on my Cycliq front and my Garmin rear cameras (even though I was unconscious, I had evidence).
I almost always ride alone and the camera is the only reliable evidence. I think that everyone should have one - because it encourages people on both sides to behave.
Dam I miss the videos when Francis just rode his bike.
I am fair less interested in videos of people sharing their personal opinion about bike stuff. It’s not useful or entertaining enough. Unsubscribing after many years….
They still make bike content, hes literally backpacking right now and you'll be missing it. No one is forcing you to listen to the podcasts :D
Rapha get a 7/10 for a 240 bp and the zipper is not windproof. They also claim they are disappointed by that.
PAS, Assos, Biehler, MAAP Giordana or whatever other brands people consider expensive, are all somewhat affordable if you shop the archive sale. The build quality on Assos garments tend to be better than the others, even if their styling is a bit suspect. I’ve been dealing with unraveling threads on Biehler garments. MAAP graphics has gotten comically bad in the last couple of years. As for one being better than the other for function…nah. Aside from Giordana and Assos bibs being the most comfortable, I haven’t seen much difference in terms of reality aligning with the marketing hype.
I love cycling but that the problem with cycling the cost of gear and sizing.
I know the former global editor-in-chief of a very well-known bike review website and he said that as most bike review websites rely on items given to the reviewers to review means that they are always going to find something good to say about the item so that they can continue to be given things to review or they will go out of business. They can't afford to buy all the items they review to review impartially. It is an undisclosed conflict of interest. He's moved on from that job.
Hey team… just watched this and I think you missed a point on the jersey? The wider review speaks to construction quality. And in my experience premium clothing also have attention to detail in design detail /cut/fit. (My experience is of La Passione kit.) So I think the challenge is to differentiate between the ‘Gucci’ marketing led products and those that have a true passion for design/fit that is tangible… tough because it’s all subjective to a point? Maybe that’s a feature? Gucci vs true design led?
Jimmy sometimes comes across as very bitter about the cycling clothing industry. I guess his experience of trying to breakthrough wirh Attacus was not a positive one. But look, premium cycling products are not purely about fabrics as he well knows - there is the design/look of the thing, the form & fit (very important), features like zippers & pockets, how well it holds together over time. For some reason these factors are all overlooked. Seems like there is a clear agenda here and honestly it's putting me off this Cade Media content which used to be good.
190 £ for an average long sleeve jersey???? I bought a second hand Italian hanmade, aluminium with rear and fork carbon bike, with 10s campagnolo and Prologo saddle for a bit more last month!
I've had my arse saved by my on bike camera. If it went on the very flawed/biased/speciously written police report, I would have been found guilty in a court of law. Instead, a panel of three magistrates found me not guilty, basically because of having that video and subsequent expert analysis of that video showing that I could not have been at fault.
Shirt over woolly jumper - over or under rated🤣
Ekoi ftw
PNS seems to have the best BIB padding, of all BIB that I have..that’s why I always respect them..and I’ve wear Rapha, MAAP, Castelli, local brand, etc…and by the best BIB padding, I mean, their BIB ensure the best comfort for me for a long looong ride and climb
When I jump out of my 2010 VW Rabbit in my perfectly mismatched PAS kit and pop the truck to retrieve my aluminum/ rim brake/ aero bike. The men turn away but the ladies and the ‘riders’ know I’m here to play!
Don't forget $15 for shipping that average jersey.
I’ve worn Pas Normal and plenty other kits and pas normal just fit the best. Does the price point keep me coming back no, does the print “pns” on the jersey/bib have me buying more no but the fit is still the best. Even if these brands all go to the same factory for their materials pas normal just puts it together better. Other brands have saggy pockets loose fitting arms and wind getting caught in the shoulders. With pas normal I didn’t feel that and that’s me wearing the same size with all brands. Also talking about other brands and comparing it to yours never helps your brand. Only sounds like you’re mad that they get more sales.
i rather buy a house than pns jersey
PNS looks almost like designed by a kid... they might as well use it Comic Sans font .... lol ....
Its just like a cotton tee with the word Louis Vuitton.
Cade media getting really preachy and know it all lately.... and no I don't wear PNS.
Nic is a preachy knob, bring back francis just riding his damn bike
Just to build on the Luxury for the middle class point, the trend now among the legit wealthy is quiet luxury. See Succession. You'd never know the price of the clothing any of those characters wore cause it was all simple, unbranded well cut and made products. Also PNS is far overrated, but if it makes you ride go for it.
The fact that they argue the fabrics are the same shows they haven't actually tried the pas normal stuff on or even felt it. I was initially turned off by the hype, but just recently got some of their bibs (and really, they are no more expensive , or even less, than other brands like eliel, pactimo, whatever) and the quality is higher. These jokers are just blathering.
HA wrong -
The more maintenance you do, the more business for the shop….be honest at least😂
I thought those who wear PNS are supposed to be pretty fast? - their marketing swagger seems to suggest this. I'll maybe remind them of that when I see fat choppers wearing it limping round at 14mph & going off the back of any clubrun when the road pitches up even slightly.
Rapha on sale are pretty good value, IMO. PNS are just out of this world. Ugly, lazy, and boring designs....where you really are just paying for the logo.
this is then marketing branding and fashion economics talks... if you are willing to pay +++ for the same white cotton jersey, just because the logo brand display in the front or back... well ... my personal aproach is, if your brand is all across my clothes, I probably not paying any $ or +++ than a regular not branded. pay me and pin me!
yall really kidding in the comments. PNS and Rapha are China OEM kits slapped on with stereotypical "minimalist" design and marketed cleverly. Go either Decathlon or Assos.
Your right spent hundreds in the past,the van rysel line is great,good shout man👍
I’ve reached the conclusion that anyone who wears PNS is so broke after buying their kit, that they have to then tattoo themselves instead of getting it done professionally ?
For the next one, please.... People putting their name and a flag on the top tube of their bikes (amateur cyclists). I know what my bike looks like, so I don't need a name or flag to identify it after a café stop. Just my 10p... x
Jimmy has to stop using this podcast to recommend his own personal clothing brand. Your jerseys are also expensive and average quality too. The hypocrisy in this podcast is painful. You complain about cycling press giving bias reviews and then do the same yourself. Hypocrites.
Agreed. The people who buy PAS are not going to buy Attacus no matter how much he tries to promote it. PAS are in a different league aesthetically, if he wants to compete with them, come up with better branding
Well they own Attacus anymore and they have been moaning around for years. I live in Germany and I haven’t never ever saw a single rider wearing Attacus
The Pas Normal stuff is certainly better looking than most other brands. I swore off rapha due to the attitude at their bentonville shop.
I think you forgot where you came from. Yes PNS is expensive, very expensive indeed but they are also the most transparent brand in the cycling apparel industry full stop. And for some people that matters. There ''muted'' designs are there to last because it's not a fashion item, it's made to be worn for years to come. No, you certainly don't have to buy such expensive stuff but yes, their materials are on a different planet compared to all other high end brands out there. And once again, they know where it's made, they tell you where it's made, who made it, what it's made from etc. If you think you are just as good, take all the information from their website and do your own thing.
Nahhhh. pas normal studios makes, for me, the best fitting and best feeling cycling apparel. I've tried a lot of brands, and I've never felt this comfortable and confident in a kit before. This title and subject is click bait because so many people obviously love the brand
I agree some kit is way to expensive and reviews are pretty rubbish , but some of these companies do way better colours other than black . Some pastel colours , or greens and browns . Cameras on bikes would be great if people /police took it seriously . Bikes are still a nuisance to everyone and have no say . The war on cyclists is he only time people actually acknowledge cyclist . Try explaining the high way code to some arse in a car who thinks you shouldn’t be in his way .
I rock PNS because it fits my personal aesthetic off the bike. I am a fashionable guy, and their branding and color palette suits my personal style. I am ok paying a premium for what I consider a premium brand.
These poncy new brands do me bonce in, do me a favour apparel producers and give me a bit of function without the hipster nonsense and assos pricetags.
PS The mechanic speaks well given english is not his first language.
Totally wrong with Pas Normal Studios Jimmy. Your old company (I’ve purchased and used) and now I only wear Pas Normal Studios. It is levels above your old brands fit, fabric and quality.
Rapha is hysterical to me. It's owned by the Waltons via RZC Investments. Yup! Rapha IS a WalMart brand LOL. And people still pay ridiculous amounts for the stuff while looking down on people who buy kits made in the China.....where the Rapha kits are made thanks to Wal Mart. I laugh at people wearing Rapha and refer to them as Wal Mart Team Members.
Hopefully the Walmart buy out hasn't effected Rapha yet. I had a Marketing Manager interview at the Rapha head office in London a few years ago and it was an incredible place. Until then, I'd always thought that Rapha gear was slightly conservative,, a bit old and stuffy nd boring HOWEVER I was completed surprised to see a real young team - early to mid 20s who were passionate about cycling - young designer would walk around with their MacBook Pro's comparing design ideas for the clothing line for in two years time. The place had great energy and even had a barista on the ground floor who just like the Rapha boutiques serve IMO the best espresso in the UK!!! I'm a fan of PAS Mechanical bib shorts out of all of the brands. The worst brand for me is Castelli - their longevity of the materials they use has been a disgrace for me. It's a brand that I don't buy anymore. For me it's PAS, Rapha and Assos.
One "premium" brand I like to pay for is Maap - purely based on look & feel. They're using proper tech/materials, with amazing design, for a fair price (during black Friday :D)