My Supercharged Miata Is Already Broken? No Boost

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  • Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
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    The joy of project cars! After installing the Edelbrock Stage 1 supercharger kit on my 2016 Mazda Miata, the unfortunate news is that things are not working properly. The biggest problem is that at high RPM the car doesn't have any boost with the gas pedal to the floor. We'll examine the installation, data logs, hose routing, throttle body, bypass valve, bypass actuator, and supercharger to figure out what is causing the car to not produce any boost during certain situations.
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  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  4 года назад +1659

    *Important Note:* A lot of folks saying "obviously the car needs to be tuned if you add a supercharger." If you watched the supercharger install video, you'd see the *very first thing I did* was flash the ECU with the supplied calibration file to support the supercharger/boost/etc (the tune). If parts of this video do not seem clear, I'd recommend watching the installation video - ruclips.net/video/yOQtbwyFV4g/видео.html

    • @typhoon4645
      @typhoon4645 4 года назад +101

      So this could mean Edelbrock's tune has an issue? Did you contact them about that? Or as an experiment you could put the Edelbrock tune back and see if the issue repeats. Its your car and your call Jason.

    • @EchoOfGecko
      @EchoOfGecko 4 года назад +45

      @@typhoon4645 I'm curious about that as well. Seems like maybe the original flash failed, or maybe the wrong file was uploaded to the ECU? Seems like too many disparate issues for the tune file from Edelbrock to have out of the box... surely it must have been the factory tune.

    • @billbergen9169
      @billbergen9169 4 года назад

      That's what I thought about.

    • @grumpy_0ld_man
      @grumpy_0ld_man 4 года назад +3

      What a story. Brilliant that you sorted it. You changed that 0w20 oil yet? All the best mate ;)

    • @slobdog21
      @slobdog21 4 года назад +10

      If you flash the car first and then disconnect the battery to perform the work wouldn't you lose the tune and it would return to stock? I thought it quite strange to flash the car FIRST but maybe flashes remain after disconnect.

  • @ardonjr
    @ardonjr 4 года назад +1749

    This was super informative. I don't have a Miata nor a supercharger but I love learning this stuff.

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  4 года назад +167

      Happy to hear it, thanks for watching Don!

    • @naimakka1949
      @naimakka1949 4 года назад +23

      stop lying to urself, everyone loves the miata, if u don't like the miata, Krampus will come for ur ass.

    • @mrjiggles2540
      @mrjiggles2540 4 года назад +2

      @@naimakka1949 😂

    • @slowdriver6868
      @slowdriver6868 4 года назад +16

      Mate, I'm a 15 year old kid with no car and I still watch these so I know what to do when they become a cheap classic.

    • @ardonjr
      @ardonjr 4 года назад +11

      @@naimakka1949 I never said I didn't like the Miata.. I said I don't have one..

  • @HumbleMechanic
    @HumbleMechanic 4 года назад +418

    Man SO HAPPY the issues are worked out. Great logical path dude. I LOVE IT!

    • @m.morininvestor9920
      @m.morininvestor9920 4 года назад +1

      What other cars are light other than a mx5/ miata?

    • @calebkopitsky7611
      @calebkopitsky7611 4 года назад +5

      M. Morin Investor the Fiata 🤷‍♂️

    • @Arcanius13
      @Arcanius13 4 года назад +4

      @@m.morininvestor9920 Toyota 86/Subaru BRZ are a few hundred pounds heavier than the Miata, but they're still pretty light at just under 2800lbs

    • @Natuh21
      @Natuh21 4 года назад +3

      @@m.morininvestor9920 My Nissan Micra SR has 2164.94 lbs and 109.48Hp, its not a slow car compared to most cars here in Brazil and its VERY fun to drive as its very small

    • @patrickmurphy8008
      @patrickmurphy8008 4 года назад +1

      @@m.morininvestor9920 street legal, and enjoyable? A Radical brand open wheel car or an Ariel Atom open wheeler. Open wheel cars in general.

  • @the-real-zpero
    @the-real-zpero 4 года назад +334

    Enthusiast: *buys a supercharger kit excitedly
    Throttle-by-wire: I'm about to end this man's whole career.

    • @salemcripple
      @salemcripple 4 года назад +44

      As a mechanic, i still don't understand why those are a thing. What the eff was wrong with a cable?? A simple metal cable going from foot to engine. There is absolutely NO need to get a damn computer involved.

    • @bbt0101
      @bbt0101 4 года назад +21

      @@salemcripple you can watch Jason's vid about problems with manual transmissions, the one that talks about overhang. He explained something about cables NOT* giving the driver a linear feel in torque requested versus torque given by the engine

    • @alexsurh1472
      @alexsurh1472 4 года назад +9

      @@salemcripple planned obsolescence

    • @-robster-robster-
      @-robster-robster- 4 года назад +31

      @@salemcrippleIm calling you out man lol ! you say you are a mechanic? really? or a tyre fitter probably more near the truth ? its called refinement / fuel efficiency and emissions control , cars dont have carburettors anymore as mechanical adjustments and jets can not get anywhere near fuel efficiency/ emmisions required to make production type approval to be allowed to be sold legally almost anywhere in the world! now take a computer controlled system that can control injection parameters / timing / air intake in phenomenaly precise harmony to meet a 3d fuel map model at any rpm and load plus the ability to correct fuel trims and air swirl to suit the engine over time ...its just why there is no cable.
      benefits
      bang for buck, mpg, power, clean exhaust, refined smooth running , lack of constant mechanical tune ups, etc
      sorry to sound brash its meant to be a bit of light hearted humour , its just i get this kinda aggresive defensive attitude from customers who dont like to hear they need a £250 part rather than a £15 cable
      peace out

    • @DodgyBrothersEngineering
      @DodgyBrothersEngineering 4 года назад +10

      @@salemcripple kind of obvious when you factor in cruise control.

  • @asesafata3741
    @asesafata3741 4 года назад +382

    When Engineering Explained turns into Engineering Experienced

    • @garyvanremortel5218
      @garyvanremortel5218 4 года назад +5

      Consternation turns to lucidation.

    • @ghostwrench2292
      @ghostwrench2292 4 года назад +2

      As a dealer technician, that comment really hits home. Sometimes we techs ask ourselves "what in world was this engineer thinking when..." or I have seen repair procedures that make it evident the person who wrote them has not performed the repair following those instructions.

    • @garyvanremortel5218
      @garyvanremortel5218 4 года назад +1

      @@ghostwrench2292 Part of the reason for this is that car companies stick the new graduate engineers on the un-fun stuff and the English Majors on the technical writing.

  • @bretonkyle
    @bretonkyle 4 года назад +600

    Now this is a real explanation of engineering! All the whiteboard math is nice, but boy if I don't do more "huh, this was supposed to work.... why doesn't this work" as an engineer lol

    • @bit0fun
      @bit0fun 4 года назад +28

      It's the intuition/problem solving of engineering that takes the math and puts it to use. I find it to be the most fun part of engineering

    • @christian3448
      @christian3448 4 года назад +8

      The art of good enough

    • @horusgarcia1
      @horusgarcia1 4 года назад +2

      You can notice that Jason is not having fun like he did while installing it. There are no jokes or skits. It's all serious. I like it though but I was enjoying the little goofy jokes. Either way, it's good to know that I don't need more power if it adds morer headaches. I am enjoying the default engineering of my vehicle and adapting to the natural environments.

    • @somedude2492
      @somedude2492 4 года назад +10

      If you make something and it works first try, it just doesn't feel right. I don't trust it. Specially if it has software involved.

    • @Xheanortxiii
      @Xheanortxiii 4 года назад +1

      Facts 😂😂

  • @xtremegamer4696
    @xtremegamer4696 4 года назад +62

    "Maybe that's because I'm broken"
    Me too Jason, me too.

    • @aussiebloke609
      @aussiebloke609 4 года назад +2

      Nah, it's just a tuning issue. :-D

  • @mikecurry6847
    @mikecurry6847 4 года назад +383

    Haha idk why but when he acts like he's plugging the computer in at random places it cracks me up every time

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  4 года назад +138

      I think I finally found where it's supposed to go. Bummer that it's behind the brake calipers.

    • @mikecurry6847
      @mikecurry6847 4 года назад +12

      @@EngineeringExplained those darn engineers 😆

    • @aSinisterKiid
      @aSinisterKiid 4 года назад +6

      @@EngineeringExplained just don't stick it in yer tailpipe

    • @TurboHappyCar
      @TurboHappyCar 4 года назад +1

      He's a mechanical engineer, not a software engineer. 😆

    • @Eduardo_Espinoza
      @Eduardo_Espinoza 4 года назад +1

      my cars plugs not to far from there actually in the front of the engine

  • @mabsalom1
    @mabsalom1 4 года назад +312

    Some real gems in your comments:
    "you learn things when you don't understand them and try to figure them out."
    "Maybe I'm broken but..."
    Most of us are broken somewhere. Keep on dude, we love you.

    • @sooththetruth
      @sooththetruth 4 года назад +10

      Fantastic video, I like Jason's humility, and consider that a life lesson to be emulated. I am awed by people that take on projects like these, but I realize that he has created a job for himself that allows him to learn, so we can learn. And he doesn't curse or get angry when he faces a problem, he just goes through the list of possibilities. Really, he made no error, the tuning done before the supercharger was installed didn't work to change the mapping of the throttle body response, it needed the tune repeated, or a different tune ( I don't remember which). But in the end, he downplays the satisfaction of having taken on such a project, and now having his vehicle working right. BRAVO.
      Lets face it, most people reviewing cars look at them, describe them, drive them and tell us how they feel, they feed us the pablum about the technology put into them described by the press releases. Jason does it, but then he takes the time to show us what that technology is, how it work. On a white board. NO BETTER CHANNEL ON YOU TUBE for learning about cars, and that includes how they work, and the compromises of every design.

    • @hawkertyphoon4537
      @hawkertyphoon4537 4 года назад +3

      Most of us are broken somewhere. Keep on dude, we love you. + 1!

    • @gregcollins3404
      @gregcollins3404 4 года назад +3

      It bugs me when "how to" type channels never show anything going wrong. When stuff goes wrong is the best part, when you learn the most, and really show what you are made of...

  • @Htm
    @Htm 4 года назад +48

    "with me sadly shifting in my garage" i felt that.

  • @XvFenixvX
    @XvFenixvX 4 года назад +853

    Did you try shutting it off and turning it on again?

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  4 года назад +266

      So many times hahaha

    • @alansmilealot
      @alansmilealot 4 года назад +11

      🖥️

    • @XvFenixvX
      @XvFenixvX 4 года назад +45

      @@EngineeringExplained That's a real head scratcher then

    • @bassedd7620
      @bassedd7620 4 года назад +3

      😂

    • @RizwanY37
      @RizwanY37 4 года назад +11

      andrews yeah Jeremy clarksons fix, use a hammer to fix the throttle of an e39

  • @mr.a6508
    @mr.a6508 4 года назад +300

    "It wouldn't be a proper project car if there weren't some headache along the way"
    Advice of today

    • @MrTheHillfolk
      @MrTheHillfolk 4 года назад +3

      Yup , stash cash away for the unexpected.
      Like a new ac compressor on my project.
      I got it running , even the AC was good.
      A week later there's a bunch of oil drippings coming from behind the clutch.
      It sat for 8 years,that doesn't help.
      a
      And the project was going too smoothly anyways 🤣

  • @seymourbaldauf8212
    @seymourbaldauf8212 4 года назад +20

    Yes please keep this format. As a mechanical engineer this content is gold! For all those car “gurus” getting upset about the engineering being explained please ignore them, they mostly only understand putting gas in the car and flooring it.

    • @dagurorarinsson2827
      @dagurorarinsson2827 Год назад

      No one in the comments is upset? What are you talking about?

  • @braddirt
    @braddirt 4 года назад +151

    "and I genuinely find as much joy... diving through these data logs and trying to figure out what's going on with this car as I do actually driving it. Maybe that's because I'm broken."
    The words of a true engineer.

  • @stephanM5
    @stephanM5 4 года назад +133

    This was like watching a Sherlock Holmes mystery. It held my interest for the entire video. Learned something today. Thanks for sharing.

    • @garyvanremortel5218
      @garyvanremortel5218 4 года назад +4

      When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

    • @georgekurgansky5986
      @georgekurgansky5986 4 года назад +1

      It made me appreciate cable throttle a lot!

    • @wpgspecb
      @wpgspecb 4 года назад

      To anyone who had ever driven a dbw car or ever looked at logs the issue was apparent within the first 60 seconds.

    • @j_taylor
      @j_taylor 3 года назад

      I watch these videos because I want to learn about tech and because it's such a joy to follow a skilled tech as he takes apart and understands a problem.
      It's not nearly as interesting to watch someone throw a dart and scream "GOAAAL."
      The best parts of my job are when I have to solve a problem where the obvious solutions won't work. It takes a lovely mix of technical understanding and creative thinking to analyze a difficult problem and build a solution. For example, sometimes the best solution bypasses the underlying problem in a way the original designer didn't expect.
      A good dart thrower identifies where to quickly score points. A skilled engineer adapts to the situation, uses what she finds, creates a solution, and can build it.

  • @HondaProJason
    @HondaProJason 4 года назад +56

    Really enjoyed watching this. Kinda glad something was wrong so you could figure it out and we can all learn from it.

  • @CosineHyperbolic
    @CosineHyperbolic 4 года назад +370

    In response to your ending talk on content like this: Hell yes, please keep making genuine content, I love it.

    • @dallynsr
      @dallynsr 4 года назад +16

      yea Jason, those that don't have the time for your details can skip to another video, but some of us(albeit maybe only a few) really dig this level of tuning and geekery. lol

    • @Liveordiebyinches
      @Liveordiebyinches 4 года назад +2

      I enjoyed the video as well.
      That said... Dyno!

    • @JaleM
      @JaleM 4 года назад +3

      I believe we all run to these problems at some point or another and it’s critical to keep an open mind to find a solution. This helps me mentally to appreciate that no problem is unsolvable👍

    • @BobPegram
      @BobPegram 4 года назад +1

      I personally find it very interesting to see what the problem is and then the fix. Where did you get your initial SC tune from, Eldelbrock or the guy who supplied the working tune? Secondly, why were you blind to the idea of the throttle being controlled wrongly until the tune supplier mentioned it? You already knew that the Miata throttle is "by wire" rather than a direct connection from your foot on the gas pedal. My 7 yo Subaru has an annoying tip in because it goes full throttle from a dead stop. Darn hard to modulate! There is a fix but I haven't looked recently to see if someone made it EZ to do.

  • @hurion1
    @hurion1 4 года назад +478

    "It's extremely unwise to rush to judgement when you don't know absolutely everything about a scenario... Just focus on what's the problem and how to fix it." Words of wisdom.

    • @AireJayy
      @AireJayy 4 года назад +14

      Like a true engineer

    • @alfredace
      @alfredace 4 года назад +14

      This approach can be applied to many situations in life...

    • @HAMlLTON
      @HAMlLTON 4 года назад +2

      I think that was a jab at the president

    • @bunbunson27
      @bunbunson27 4 года назад

      @@HAMlLTON everything is a jab at the president, because hes an imbecile

    • @CynHicks
      @CynHicks 4 года назад +2

      Pot, meet kettle.

  • @Julian-ly8fq
    @Julian-ly8fq 4 года назад +21

    The engine feels great, much slower than before. Amazing!

  • @louiegolden
    @louiegolden 4 года назад +225

    The best part of this video was the very end when you defended what this channel is all about. I’ve been watching for a few years and haven’t ever said anything but I thought this comment was appropriate.

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  4 года назад +22

      Louie, really appreciate you watching and thanks for leaving your thoughts!

    • @dougmhenriksen
      @dougmhenriksen 4 года назад +3

      I by far appreciate the diagnosis steps. I've known a few engineers that assume it's the fault of the people building vs. Actually doing root cause analysis. I like your reluctance to point the finger.

    • @kissmyaskew9844
      @kissmyaskew9844 4 года назад

      @@EngineeringExplained For some folks out there maybe you should start another channel.
      Engineering Explained: EXPLAINED.
      😉
      Good work here.
      Kept expecting to see you start disassembling your new install only to find a clump of Humble Mechanics beard between mating surfaces causing a leak or entangled in BPV linkage,,,,🤣

  • @davidpegueros3
    @davidpegueros3 4 года назад +16

    Love the humility. I've always found the wisest people understand their limitations and work on fixing them. The foolhardy hide behind their hubris in blissful ignorance.

  • @calebshonk5838
    @calebshonk5838 4 года назад +217

    Most project-car videos only show the beginning, install and the perfect end result. They rarely delve much into the difficulties that come up during the installation and even less into the actual problem-solving process when something doesn't go to plan. In my experience, things rarely go to plan and most installs are not absolutely perfect (though functionally correct).
    Personally, I would rather see the process of diagnosing an actual problem than just the shiny end result. I thought this video was informative and helpful and I'm glad you took the time to really explain the problem and your line of thinking.

    • @mortisCZ
      @mortisCZ 4 года назад +5

      Hear hear. I have to agree. It's much more interesting for me to solve an interesting headscratcher on any average van than just see a hypercar go into garage and turn 1000hp on a dyno after a cut. Those cars are nice and those numbers are awesome but we don't learn much about them witrhout context.:-)

    • @natemoothart6967
      @natemoothart6967 4 года назад

      Yep! Rarely does a car show / YT show reveal just how much effort in a project car is tedious work, which admittedly is understandable as it's not that exciting.
      "And now he's going to remove the rear seat... Searching for the bolts... More looking... Googling! Wrong information, now he's swearing... OOooo that had to hurt! Okay... Going back in for another look... Wait! Wait! It's a lift out! Smiles all around! What's that? Ut oh! It may be a lift out but the other interior pieces are holding it in! Putting it back down and heading to a FB group to ask if he really has to remove so many other pieces just to get the seat out..." and so on and so on, haha!

    • @richhomiefire9787
      @richhomiefire9787 4 года назад

      Nate Moothart if your looking for a youtube who always shows these things, and has like 4 project cars, go check out Robbie Ferreira!

    • @brunocorrea6010
      @brunocorrea6010 4 года назад

      Always! In my own car, as example, I'm using an programable ECU from FuelTech. I was having issue with low throttle management, and after a long time fighting with the tuning, I figured out that was the place were I'm getting the intake manifold pressure were wrong and get too much turbulence while not on WOT. Changed the hose position, retuned and voila! Drives like a charm now!

    • @DragonKnightX12
      @DragonKnightX12 Год назад

      This is why I really watching Donut's build. They show all of their mistakes, all the things that went wrong, and the steps to fix them.

  • @misterkeys2893
    @misterkeys2893 4 года назад +12

    "All Your Data Are, Belong To Us"
    It's been a looooooooooooooong time since I've heard that reference!
    Charles: What happen?
    Jason: Someone set us up the supercharger!
    Fab9: Hello Gentlemen.
    All your Data Are, Belong to Us.
    You will not accelerate make your boost.
    Ha-Ha.
    Jason: WHAT YOU SAY?

  • @tavarish
    @tavarish 4 года назад +124

    Your waternator's busted

    • @suryaprakash0499
      @suryaprakash0499 4 года назад +7

      Due to his questionable choice made after watching wrench everday

    • @fiqirr
      @fiqirr 4 года назад +3

      Duh.. thats why he wasnt seeing any blinker fluid pressure

    • @Grr8xtc
      @Grr8xtc 4 года назад

      I love this kind of content. Thanks 👍

    • @austinsears1637
      @austinsears1637 4 года назад

      @@fiqirr
      Oh, no, no, no no no! Just no!
      If he properly calibrates his muffler bearings in accordance with governing limits, it's going to run fine as fine whine, whine with cheese even maybe!!!

    • @topvideos6166
      @topvideos6166 4 года назад

      I think you are waiting him to say my car for sale 🤣

  • @Phil60084
    @Phil60084 4 года назад +210

    Me: spends 2 weeks straight in the garage and a bunch of money to make my car faster
    My wife after 2 weeks: Yay! You're done is your car faster?
    Me again : Nope way slower..
    My wife: tight....

    • @nicoleyensen7062
      @nicoleyensen7062 4 года назад +3

      many divorce

    • @sean8081a
      @sean8081a 4 года назад +1

      A great comment i heard in the stands at the dragstrip 'that's slower than stock' lol.

    • @bassmunk
      @bassmunk 4 года назад

      Making your car slower is TIGHT! LOL

  • @dreamcoyote
    @dreamcoyote 4 года назад +43

    "All your data is belong to us!"
    *installs new config file*
    "Leeeeeeerooooyy Jeeennnnnnnnnnkiiiiiiiiinnnnnnssss!!!!!!!"

    • @gte717v
      @gte717v 4 года назад +2

      I much enjoyed a meme that goes back to 2000.

  • @98dizzard
    @98dizzard 4 года назад +93

    11:36 ah yes, that well known mechanics trick. Wave the OBD connector at the engine to threaten it into behaving.

    • @daszieher
      @daszieher 4 года назад +1

      Ha! More like dangling a pendulum, hoping esoterics will "heal" the problem :D

    • @mgreene1409
      @mgreene1409 4 года назад +1

      😂😂😂

  • @padraigomadain6681
    @padraigomadain6681 4 года назад +102

    Brilliant insight man, I respect the fact that you actually went in depth without the blame game and didn't give up on asking questions and actually learning and sharing that experience. Brilliant vid and look forward to enjoying more of your content and learning from your hiccups along the way.

  • @allenstratton5399
    @allenstratton5399 4 года назад +16

    "Don't just to conclusions and try to fix the problem" Can you run for office please ;-)

  • @garyross7496
    @garyross7496 4 года назад +90

    if something involving engineering is explained, that’s all we need
    10/10 video

    • @RichardSShepherd
      @RichardSShepherd 4 года назад

      Bother... just posted a very similar comment. But not worded as well as yours!

  • @ibast1
    @ibast1 4 года назад +48

    Mechanical Issue: Spend half an hour finding it and 1.5 hours fixing it. "that was two hour fix".
    Electronics/software issue: Spend two days chasing it and 10 minutes fixing it. "That was a 10 minute fix. I'm so glad it wasn't a mechanical issue".

    • @mal2ksc
      @mal2ksc 4 года назад

      But if you sell things, it makes a difference. Having to do repairs that take an hour and a half per car looks much worse than pushing out a software update that takes ten minutes, because they have the same problem ten thousand times.

  • @johnm1925
    @johnm1925 4 года назад +124

    "All your data are belong to us" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
    He's a total nerd and i love it. One of us, one of us!

    • @dan725
      @dan725 4 года назад +6

      Oh man... can you believe that the song/video/meme is now 20 years old?!

    • @aXc000
      @aXc000 4 года назад

      What you say!!

    • @ventzp2133
      @ventzp2133 4 года назад

      You have no chance to survive make your time!!

    • @drsonicify
      @drsonicify 4 года назад +1

      Maybe he get signal

    • @z1sania
      @z1sania 4 года назад +1

      agree... spit my coffeee ahahaha

  • @TastyTacoN1nja
    @TastyTacoN1nja 4 года назад +215

    All at once a million boomers cried out, "glad I've got a throttle cable!"

    • @TheDrAkira
      @TheDrAkira 4 года назад

      hahhahhaha xD

    • @bakervanbv299
      @bakervanbv299 4 года назад +28

      Boomers? I'm 17 and I'm glad my 924 has a cable lol

    • @epicshooter1
      @epicshooter1 4 года назад +3

      And they would be wrong. The TPS (Throttle position sensor) has been around since the invent of fuel injection. Plenty of mechanical throttle bodies with manual throttle cables use them. Back as far as the 80s.

    • @calebkopitsky7611
      @calebkopitsky7611 4 года назад +5

      Agreed... although I’m just 16 and recently started driving a manual, which has made me wish it just had a simple throttle cable... or that I didn’t watch EE’s video on electric throttle bodies with manuals which has MADE ME NOTICE IT CONSTANTLY

    • @icin4d
      @icin4d 4 года назад +4

      Being a boomer doesn't make a difference when tuning. These types of sensory electronics have been around for decades.

  • @AbsInABox
    @AbsInABox 4 года назад +8

    Awww i was really hoping for the timing on the acceleration improvements after you got it working correctly =[

    • @danbradley7176
      @danbradley7176 4 года назад +1

      Me too. I really appreciated the journey to discovering and solving the problem but I'm still curious about the performance gains.

  • @fourthhorseman4531
    @fourthhorseman4531 4 года назад +109

    For those considering after-market forced induction: when I did my first supercharger install (on my '03 Mercury Marauder) I tried several different vendors for tuning and it was a really eye-opening experience at just how much impact the programming had to just about every aspect of the car's operation. I mean, intellectually you know it, but actually experiencing it is something else. I cannot stress this highly enough: go with somebody to do your tuning that has a proven track record of success with your model of car and that is highly reputable. This is not an area you can save money on and have success.
    Great video man, thank you!

    • @Saml01
      @Saml01 4 года назад +2

      Woh! I had no idea anyone was supercharging these. Is this an off the shelf kit?

    • @2011chitsazzadeha
      @2011chitsazzadeha 4 года назад

      You can save money on it by just doing it yourself.

    • @TheMrMiao
      @TheMrMiao 4 года назад

      Would I be able to do this in California?

    • @lupavo1738
      @lupavo1738 4 года назад

      @@Saml01 It's basically a Ford Mustang GT of the same year, it's literally the same engine so I'd imagine its the same kit.

  • @Thesaviorsway
    @Thesaviorsway 4 года назад +209

    Sadly shifting in my garage. Way to go quarantine. :(

    • @kjyu
      @kjyu 4 года назад +27

      @Gabriel Godina hoax virus huh? tell that to 11+ millions who got infected

    • @Thesaviorsway
      @Thesaviorsway 4 года назад +3

      I'm not trying to have a debate start I'm just trying to comment and sympathize with those who choose to stay home that I understand their frustration or sadness and those who are free to choose to drive outside also or refuse to.

    • @nairbyad7188
      @nairbyad7188 4 года назад +1

      @@kjyu do your own research and stop beLIEving the presstitutes

    • @stevenyia2778
      @stevenyia2778 4 года назад

      @@killdizzle the government knows best I guess 😏😂😂

    • @DrKampfpudding
      @DrKampfpudding 4 года назад

      Where TF to you live to still have quarantine

  • @Celtic-Acid
    @Celtic-Acid 4 года назад +2

    Well.. installed by an unqualified DIY mechanic, what did you expect... 😑

  • @superchargedpetrolhead
    @superchargedpetrolhead 4 года назад +148

    The first thing that came to mind when you said there is boost at sometime and no boost at other time was " this problem has something to do with throttle body ". well i guess my automobile engineering degree is not that useless...

    • @djsomeguy
      @djsomeguy 4 года назад +3

      I was in the camp of boost leak when I started watching...usually such low AFR's mean loss of metered air somewhere and coming it at higher RPM was suspecting a faster ramp up of boost was "opening" the leak, although that's more common to the characteristics of a turbocharger than a supercharger.
      Now what I'm curious about is what was actually wrong with the tune that kept the throttle open when accelerating from lower RPM. I can't think of anything in the typical tables that would cause the throttle to behave that way.
      (Did my own tuning on my former Mazdaspeed 3 with Cobb Accessport)

    • @CaptainCandycorn
      @CaptainCandycorn 4 года назад +3

      When I started watching the immediate thing I thought was the tune isn't right.

    • @wobblysauce
      @wobblysauce 4 года назад +1

      @@djsomeguy Almost, same symptoms...

    • @TheGhostTrollekdejvu
      @TheGhostTrollekdejvu 4 года назад

      The fact that a simple calibration fixed the issue probably means they thrown off the calibration of the TB during the whole disassembly and instillation process, maybe gave it a cleaned.

  • @henryvanderwilp9240
    @henryvanderwilp9240 4 года назад +28

    Not sure if I'm more impressed with the actual engineering that has went into this kit, or the fact that he is humble enough to not only admit that he didn't know what was wrong, but actually vlog'd his troubleshooting process.
    We all learn from others. (Unless your name is either Orville or Wilbur... those guys truly learned things by themselves).
    Awesome project sir. Cant wait for the dyno pulls.

  • @randr10
    @randr10 4 года назад +6

    It's funny because I was having a very similar issue with my new-to-me last year '06 Mazda 6 with the 3.0 V6 and 5 speed manual. I would push the accelerator and the throttle valve wouldn't move according to the FORScan readout. I even took the snorkel off and filmed the throttle plate, and sure enough, it wasn't opening when I put the throttle to 100%. It would eventually move, but it would take about 4 seconds to fully open. Resetting the computer would fix it, but then it would come right back. After a while, I started doing basic troubleshooting stuff because the forums were saying the PCM needed replacement and i wasn't about to spend a grand on a car I had just bought as a beater. There were no codes and the car was acting like it was in limp mode, so I was leaning towards PCM as well, but I figured it couldn't hurt. Well, I took the MAF sensor out to clean it and it was completely coated in a sweater of dirt. I have never seen a MAF with even a visible speck of dirt on it, but this one was so bad you couldn't even see the filaments. I'm not sure how it got that way, although I'm speculating that the PO had a K&N filter on that was over-oiled, but I have no actual idea. Anyway, I cleaned it up, put it back in and the car ran like a new car. I still don't like the throttle mapping of the factory tune. It lags almost like a turbo would, which is incredibly annoying, but it makes good power now and I can actually get the thing to accelerate when I tell it to. Long story short, the Mazda PCMs seem like complete garbage. It should have spit out some kind of code to at least let me know that the car was acknowledging limp mode. Also, the AFR's must have been way off with crazy fuel trims and the like. How is the PCM designed to not detect that as a problem?

    • @lsxfam
      @lsxfam 4 года назад +1

      You seem pretty well versed with engine performance. (Not necessarily performance as in enhancements but the actually performance of the motor). So the MAF sensor works within a specified range of voltage (usually 0-5 volts). There was no code because it more than likely did not exceed or fall below the range of voltage for times extensive enough to see determine a fault.

  • @CosRacecar
    @CosRacecar 4 года назад +70

    You, sir, are a saint. There are far too many youtubers who would title this video "Company X WRECKED my car!"

    • @funnystertzk
      @funnystertzk 4 года назад +1

      CoreyO dde be like my car is broken and can’t fix

  • @dil6969
    @dil6969 4 года назад +99

    I feel your pain, Jason. I did a clutch on my '91 in November of last year. I put it back together and a month later my throw out bearing is squeaking, the expensive FM clutch started chattering and it still had an oil drip. Just because you used good parts and invested a lot of time and care doesn't mean the car will be better when you're done. The automotive world is a cruel mistress.
    That said. You did great though going down the list and doing some proper diagnosis and not just busting out the parts cannon. Modifying cars to this level requires a lot of patience and care.

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  4 года назад +29

      Cruel indeed! And agreed on diagnosis, very important step rather than just replacing things that may or may not be broken. Ugh, hope things go well with your 91! Great car.

    • @Smokkedandslammed
      @Smokkedandslammed 4 года назад +1

      I just put my trans back in, I dont trust it 😩

    • @binderbinder6920
      @binderbinder6920 4 года назад +1

      Did you replace the throw out bearing at the same time, why the aftermarket clutch? And the oil leak ? Rear main seal ?

    • @mathieulevasseur4082
      @mathieulevasseur4082 4 года назад +1

      It's frustrating how wrenching on cars can be a Russian roulette. Sometimes I just slap things in place and it just works and other times I take every single precaution yet something goes wrong.

    • @NoWr2Run
      @NoWr2Run 4 года назад

      @@Smokkedandslammed Sorry but, LMFAO.

  • @mp5778
    @mp5778 4 года назад +6

    The "By Pass Valve" is just that and not a "boost recirculation valve".
    Air By Passes the supercharger. Air comes in thru the throttle body and during idle, cruise, light throttle, the BPV is open and air then goes thru the BPV and into the intake manifold and engine. The air is "Bypassing" the supercharger and the supercharger is basically "free wheeling" passing no air and only consuming 2-3 hp.
    During WOT, the BPV closes and all the air goes thru the supercharger, gets compressed and heated and then to the intake manifold and engine.
    The BPV allows for smooth transition in and out of boost and lets the supercharger freewheel and consume no hp during cruise and light throttle.
    You can test the system by wire tying the BPV open all the time, no boost, and then closed all the time.

    • @stfu7203
      @stfu7203 4 года назад

      what does WOT mean?

    • @hhh5377
      @hhh5377 4 года назад

      @@stfu7203 Wide-open throttle

    • @contentioushackery
      @contentioushackery 4 года назад

      If the supercharger is spinning it is moving air. If the BPV is open then the surplus of air coming through the supercharger but not being forced into the manifold is moving backwards (recirculating) through the BPV. The supercharger is freewheeling in the sense that it is not compressing air on hot side because that air is free to flow back out the BPV instead of creating pressure in the manifold.

  • @gowron6453
    @gowron6453 4 года назад +60

    I did driveability when I was a mechanic, having a computer background I've always enjoyed the data and looking for data point to find the issue...I really enjoyed this video (I generally enjoy all of your videos) as you didn't just drive it, you showed the data, theorized what the problem might be, found out you were wrong, but you were "man" enough to seek assistance when you needed it, admitted you were wrong, and learned from the experience..that is great!

  • @michaelblacktree
    @michaelblacktree 4 года назад +94

    _"It wouldn't be a proper project car, if there weren't some headaches along the way."_
    My Jetta is definitely a proper project car. 🤨

    • @rogerj412
      @rogerj412 4 года назад +1

      So is my TDi wagon. Right now the issue is how to stop the damn panoramic glass roof from leaking.

    • @javierherrera8782
      @javierherrera8782 4 года назад +1

      My 95 std celica has me broken....but because I was already poor and I love it!

    • @rogerhinman5427
      @rogerhinman5427 4 года назад

      As is my Mustang and it was somebody else's project car just to make it even more interesting.

    • @crazeguy26
      @crazeguy26 4 года назад

      my W202 is a one gear wonder.

    • @johnlee1009
      @johnlee1009 4 года назад

      my POS 1995 miata. I'm learning a lot by diagnosing all these problems.

  • @neilhuang9605
    @neilhuang9605 4 года назад +5

    It's refreshing to see real engineering and problem solving at work. Thanks for showing us the process. I'm a software engineer and totally enjoyed your problem solving and investigating process. It shows that no matter what field of engineering you're in, the discipline and drive to solve problems remain the same. Well done!

  • @psychosis7325
    @psychosis7325 4 года назад +149

    "What position is your throttle?"
    "Well duh, my foots all the way to th...... DOH!!!"
    Great, brilliant, amazing video. Vehicle diagnostics is a pain and the value of a good mechanic is so under appreciated at times, number of O2 sensors I have seen replaced for a manifold leak where someone checked their air filter and left a vac line off is crazy... They were only just introducing throttle by wire on mass in Aus when I left mechanics, can only imagine how few people would have the skills to diagnose this over the phone. Hope you brought that bloke a 6 pack ;)
    I had a L67 with similar charging setup and racked my brain the whole time video ran and was stumped, thought it has to be an air flow/pressure issue possibly caused by tune and even focused on the throttle and seen it was electronic but it didn't click until you said he asked what the TP was >.

    • @volvo09
      @volvo09 4 года назад +1

      Yup, and the amount of customer frustration and money that's wasted by just replacing parts (like o2 sensors and even ecu's) without first figuring out WHY that code is triggered is so common. A scenario like throwing 3 o2's on a car, a couple other expensive parts, and a computer when looking at the data shows wildly off fuel trims from some other issue. Data is key.

    • @zachyoung5598
      @zachyoung5598 4 года назад +3

      I have to say, Jason would have to be the person to do a phone diagnosis for. He brings all the data and a fundamental understanding of the operation principles.
      With most other folks it's just "My car no go vroom anymore. What's wrong with it?"

    • @wobblysauce
      @wobblysauce 4 года назад

      Like most things you get to know a shortlist of fixes with different problem diagnosis... as for digital, get the flow charts.

    • @Foxlawl
      @Foxlawl 4 года назад

      My favorite part of this is that today, I watched his throttle body video (Engine Hang), then the SC installation video, and then this one, in that order.

  • @cbsboyer
    @cbsboyer 4 года назад +85

    "From failing you learn, from success not so much" - Billie Robinson, Meet The Robinsons

  • @nfdr0kk3rz
    @nfdr0kk3rz 4 года назад +3

    You're not broken Jason, you're just a nerd. Which is why we watch this channel

  • @f-s-r
    @f-s-r 4 года назад +66

    I can only imagine your expression when asked "what's your throttle position?", lol! :D

    • @IIIMoodyIII
      @IIIMoodyIII 4 года назад +5

      Did you try turning it off and on again?

    • @JOutterbridge
      @JOutterbridge 4 года назад +1

      "Maybe i'm broken" What a great end to the video😂

    • @afesquivel
      @afesquivel 4 года назад

      @@JOutterbridge All engineerings are "broken" somehow, but we don't want to address that problem, that is why we look for other problems to fix thinking that in some indirect way we will get "fixed" ... or not.

  • @shoarectube
    @shoarectube 4 года назад +34

    I really like the whole story approach! Keep it up!

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  4 года назад +7

      Happy to hear it! Thought it was a pretty interesting story, always something to learn!

    • @qpSubZeroqp
      @qpSubZeroqp 4 года назад

      I agree. Great way to approach this explanation

  • @dan428
    @dan428 4 года назад +7

    Enjoyed seeing this as this is always the sort of thing that happens with projects.. something always doesn’t go as expected and you gotta figure out what’s wrong. Looking forward to seeing the results now (I have a Miata ND2)

  • @umad42
    @umad42 4 года назад +70

    I appreciate a real deep dive into "Something broke, lets find the actual cause"

  • @cromagnon305
    @cromagnon305 4 года назад +49

    Drive by wire for the win again 😒
    Me: I want 100%!!
    Ecu: you really want 32%

    • @MarkusRessel
      @MarkusRessel 4 года назад +5

      To be fair, most of the time its actually a good thing there is some logic in between the user input and the engine. It just has to be the right kind of logic :D

    • @two_number_nines
      @two_number_nines 4 года назад +3

      @@MarkusRessel yeah yeah some hardly predictable algorythm. If I wanted to speak to a computer I would play candy crush. With a steel wire you manually alter the state of a mechanical system.

    • @carsinruin6102
      @carsinruin6102 4 года назад

      @@MarkusRessel I have fully analog cars and some DBW cars and I will take a cable TB all the time.

    • @zadeoooo
      @zadeoooo 4 года назад

      @@carsinruin6102 I have a manual with a cable and an automatic with a cable. I think for automatics I'm perfectly fine with a tbw but for manual cable all day

    • @carl_marks1626
      @carl_marks1626 4 года назад

      Go to the trouble of fitting rod and you will never use cable again.

  • @B0ND0N1777
    @B0ND0N1777 4 года назад +7

    "Buy a Miata they said,
    I'm an engineer they said"

  • @siyaneliswashozi6384
    @siyaneliswashozi6384 4 года назад +94

    Something always goes wrong 😂

  • @jasononymous99
    @jasononymous99 4 года назад +36

    JASON I would like to remind everyone else this channel is called "Engineering Explained" not "Dyno tune a drift sessions". If that Dosent sum up what you are getting into when watching you have bigger problems. You are amazing and so is this channel keep on Explaining bro!

  • @dudebruhdude
    @dudebruhdude 4 года назад +4

    Way to science the "f" out of that problem you had...I'm super impressed! Great job my dude! Love the video, and the full explanation. Totally my style of video, and it tickled my brain just right lol

  • @ruidiasbraga
    @ruidiasbraga 4 года назад +35

    I have learned so much with this video. good storytelling, details, technical info, good problem-solving thinking. nice job!

  • @seban678
    @seban678 4 года назад +228

    Please ignore the "get to the driving/dyno" comments... There are loads of videos on this platform you can go watch of cars making noise and burning tires. This is an engineering education channel, as the name makes pretty clear, and that's what I come here for.
    As an ex-engineer turned mechanic, this is gold content for me, and I'm obviously not alone. Maybe the comments don't reflect that very well, because comments are usually more of a way to complain about stuff than point out the good.
    So if I may speak for myself and people like me: We like figuring things out, seeing machines/technology working (or not), looking at spreadsheets to understand what happens where we can't see, and fixing issues or optimizing things. The graph that comes out of the dyno is a lot more exciting to me than watching the test happen. I wish there was more supercharging Miatas involved in my day job, so for me this is basically mechanic escapist entertainment that is also educational. It's freakin' great.

    • @andycocchia4202
      @andycocchia4202 4 года назад +2

      totally agree man.

    • @victorn6065
      @victorn6065 4 года назад +2

      This!

    • @stevebrown4734
      @stevebrown4734 4 года назад +3

      Spot on and came here to say same. This episode had me glued to find out the solution to the missing power mystery.

    • @lnrbry
      @lnrbry 4 года назад +2

      Entirely agree. I too was an old school "just adjust the carb and twist the distributer" guy right up until i started learning about long term fuel trims and volumetric efficiency. Now i am knee deep in mega squirt.

    • @seban678
      @seban678 4 года назад +2

      @@lnrbry Thanks! "Knee deep in mega squirt" is also one of my favorite movies.

  • @zorrokettu
    @zorrokettu 2 года назад +1

    Wow, just glossed over Edelbrock providing a garbage tune with the kit, and then providing zero help fixing what is obviously their problem.

  • @Lianpe98
    @Lianpe98 4 года назад +20

    Now I know the right place to plug in the computer

  • @ddpwe5269
    @ddpwe5269 4 года назад +33

    "Maybe because I'm broken" lol awww Jason, I love all the videos you release. Extremely educational, even to a layperson such as myself when it comes to vehicles. Keep up the great work and don't worry about all the greedy people, this is your channel and you'll always have viewers with you as long as you enjoy what you do as well! =)

    • @blackfly29er
      @blackfly29er 4 года назад +1

      +1. The longest lasting lessons are learned by mistakes.

    • @terencedavis6811
      @terencedavis6811 4 года назад +1

      For sure! There are many of us broken people who like both sides of the engineering - just keep doing what you're doing. I love it.

  • @kibawhitefang7176
    @kibawhitefang7176 4 года назад +2

    And the mpg now? Duh You forgot about it. 🤣

  • @Dunwelll
    @Dunwelll 4 года назад +20

    Yeah, I'm happy you walked us through your process. Disregard the comments saying "get to the good stuff!"
    All your content are belong to us

  • @arvindramesh1830
    @arvindramesh1830 4 года назад +35

    15:16 engineering explained turns into chrisfix

  • @hangman13
    @hangman13 4 года назад +6

    You know what wouldn't give you this issue?
    Cable operated throttle body.

    • @awdrifter3394
      @awdrifter3394 4 года назад

      Cable throttles FTW! But unless he's doing an engine swap, it's probably not worth it to convert to cable throttle.

  • @dstud2085
    @dstud2085 4 года назад +52

    “Sadly shifting in my garage”, I thought engineers don’t have feelings 😉

    • @terbo2000
      @terbo2000 4 года назад +15

      We do and they're almost all disappointment.

    • @HannahFortalezza
      @HannahFortalezza 4 года назад +1

      Brett MacPherson am also engineer, can confirm

  • @_M27_
    @_M27_ 4 года назад +16

    Is it just me or does this feel like a smarter everyday moment

  • @njabulogodfrey2039
    @njabulogodfrey2039 4 года назад +1

    It's been 5days already when are you dropping a follow up video or update ⁉️👀

  • @rragnus
    @rragnus 4 года назад +42

    man I wish I had a project car but having space for parts and equipment to work on the car are must have I suppose

    • @fearloathinginvegas
      @fearloathinginvegas 4 года назад +6

      I live in an apartment and i have a project car. I started with harbor freight tools, and sticking the parts on my balcony. Its not an easy life and i cant do everything still, so i utilize a mechanic for the stuff i dont have tools or room for.

    • @jarekpszuk6944
      @jarekpszuk6944 4 года назад

      On Hoonigan channel there is a home wrenchers episode where one of the guys, called Suppy, made an engine swap of an ls v8 into FD rx-7 in a shed that barely fits the car itself. It's more difficult but surely possible.

    • @armoule8596
      @armoule8596 4 года назад

      As a wise man once said, it can be easily done at home with common hand tools

    • @fearloathinginvegas
      @fearloathinginvegas 4 года назад +1

      @Brett Collins yeah im lucky cuz my neighbors work on their cars too. I just avoid making loud noises late at night lol

    • @joshkiej6601
      @joshkiej6601 4 года назад +1

      You can always see if a friend has the space to store yours... And tools are definitely a must but you dont need snap-on, just get some cheap stuff

  • @scottk1562
    @scottk1562 4 года назад +26

    Lol! “Sadly shifting in my garage”.

  • @AmrothPalantir
    @AmrothPalantir 4 года назад +4

    I still would like to see you drive it a bit, with the sound of the supercharger.
    So... when does pt2 come out?

  • @canadatransistor
    @canadatransistor 4 года назад +5

    The content of this video kept me on the edge of my seat. I had a feeling something was up with the explanation of bypass valve. Great stuff - stick to your presentation format! "Give me the answer people in 10 seconds or less" isn't your target audience.

  • @jaimereyna9570
    @jaimereyna9570 4 года назад +21

    Idk about you but sometimes I love when I have a problem, spent so much time troubleshooting and solve the issue! it’s like yassss!! 🤘🏼🙌🏼 i am the shat!!

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  4 года назад +16

      When I finally found what was causing the issue, I was shouting obscenities and so happy hahaha. 13 days (of course, working on other videos during this time as well) not knowing what the deal was, and bummed that it wasn't working. So rewarding once you figure it out!

    • @Na7ure
      @Na7ure 4 года назад +1

      One of the best feelings in the world

  • @K0nst4nt1n96
    @K0nst4nt1n96 4 года назад +3

    In a German Tech book it says: Theory is when you know how it should work but it doesnt and practice is when it works but you dont know why.

    • @contentioushackery
      @contentioushackery 4 года назад

      I like this variation:
      In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

  • @ICKY427
    @ICKY427 4 года назад +15

    ive been wondering where the obd2 plug was on those cars, i never thought to look on top of the radiator 🤣

  • @itstherealjoseph
    @itstherealjoseph 4 года назад +59

    "aaaaaand then I noticed my e-brake was never released"

    • @chris_jorge
      @chris_jorge 4 года назад

      Lmaooo

    • @TheCarpenterUnion
      @TheCarpenterUnion 4 года назад +2

      I've done that 😐

    • @loganamurray64
      @loganamurray64 4 года назад

      I did that once, i was wondering why i had to rev it to 3000rpm in order for it not to stall...

    • @nicoleyensen7062
      @nicoleyensen7062 4 года назад +3

      emergency make the car smell funny lever.

    • @rlyhungover
      @rlyhungover 4 года назад

      @@nicoleyensen7062 hahahahaha this comment made my day

  • @joestiffcock2480
    @joestiffcock2480 4 года назад +161

    ''sadly shifting in my garage'' Story of my life and cars..

  • @lxlphantomlxl3600
    @lxlphantomlxl3600 4 года назад +3

    First I just want to mention I in your channel, love the video! Second I love how you mentioned people getting upset about you showing informative content. It goes to show some people just don't care about the mechanics behind the vehicle. All they want to see is vrooom popopopopopop bang bang popopopopop and sit there and go ohhhhh ahhhhhhh. It's quite sad when people have little to no interest in the technology and mechanics behind the number one most used tool all across the world. A car. 🙄

  • @Sseltraeh89
    @Sseltraeh89 4 года назад +28

    hearing this makes me so much more thankful for my 20yo rust bucket's cable-actuated throttle.
    i mean... try delaying that, ECU...

    • @hawk6147
      @hawk6147 4 года назад +6

      47 year old rust bucket, only like 5 cables for the entire engine lol, can't have a computer issue if there isn't a computer :P

    • @Pierceprepper327
      @Pierceprepper327 4 года назад +1

      *ECU laughs in injector duty cycle*

    • @TheMischix
      @TheMischix 4 года назад

      It still can take away some power by changing the Ignition Timing, Fuel Injection Length etc. That's one thing the ECU can do in a cable-actuated throttle to take away power. For example if your knock sensor is detecting slight knock you ECU usually changes your ignition timing to get back to stable combustion levels.

  • @balinx
    @balinx 4 года назад +16

    “ i was wrong by the way ” - said with such passion. could be a great motto / tag line
    edit: this a great video. Thank you

  • @darth420vader
    @darth420vader 4 года назад +1

    Anyone else have to watch 20 Orilie's commercials just to finish a less than 20 minute educational video?

  • @mojitocod
    @mojitocod 4 года назад +22

    And I thought why the Throttle Position column was missing in a datasheet haha :)

    • @iplaysdrums
      @iplaysdrums 4 года назад +1

      You have a very keen eye! Experience with the datasheets goes a long way, too, but I think it's obvious you have both.

    • @cliffordbradford8910
      @cliffordbradford8910 4 года назад +1

      Maybe he for got the whole "throttle by wire" bit which would be funny since he just released a video on throttle by wire :-D

    • @mojitocod
      @mojitocod 4 года назад

      @@iplaysdrums Hah not really much experience with excel, more of a keen eye

  • @ZealothPL
    @ZealothPL 4 года назад +66

    "what's wrong with my miata?"
    There is a supercharger stuck to it m8
    *This message has been brought to you by Turbo Gang*
    Really liked the explanation of a thought process

    • @TheDemonican
      @TheDemonican 4 года назад +1

      My Turbocharged ND Miata makes 210whp... its waaay faster than the Supercharger kit.

    • @BigUriel
      @BigUriel 4 года назад +5

      @@TheDemonican But when you buy a car that's all about the handling and then put an aftermarket turbo on it you kind of missed the point.
      Plus turbocharging a NA motor requires a lot more modifications, usually including a whole new aftermarket engine management system to go along with it, meaning driving the car permanently with the dash all lit up and half the infotainment systems not working any more. In short, it's for the type of people who rip the door panels off their car and are happy to drive around on the public road in a literal steel cage with an engine and wheels.

    • @AliasProductions801
      @AliasProductions801 4 года назад +8

      TheDemonican it’s a 12 hp difference. Calm down

  • @SLK540000
    @SLK540000 4 года назад +1

    Basically if you had a mechanical throttle instead this would not have happened. But to each his own.

  • @ruidiasbraga
    @ruidiasbraga 4 года назад +9

    F the haters! This is an awesome channel!

  • @DanielGarcia-nh1ok
    @DanielGarcia-nh1ok 4 года назад +28

    Well, on my first year on engineering school one teacher said: "an engineer is a guy that solves problems, not replaces them". So this vid is a perfect example of that.

    • @82raptor
      @82raptor 4 года назад

      On my first day at tech school I learned how to fix all of the crap designs you engineers make!

    • @DanielGarcia-nh1ok
      @DanielGarcia-nh1ok 4 года назад +4

      @@82raptor our designs are fine, you just broke them :P
      Ps: dont get mad, im just doing a (bad) joke xd

  • @calebemerson9317
    @calebemerson9317 4 года назад +1

    A couple years back my mustang was idling really badly and would shut off while cruising. I was certain it was a fuel problem and was afraid I was gonna have to get new injectors or a new pump. My father had me first check the fuel pump relay, which was working fine. Then we got a new fuel filter and fired it up and it started running flawlessly. I was about to drop a couple hundred dollars on a fuel system that would not have fixed my issue. but thankfully because of my father only spend $25 bucks. Moral of the story, alway start with the cheapest and easiest fix and if that does not work then start moving up to the harder ones and more costly ones.

    • @contentioushackery
      @contentioushackery 4 года назад +1

      As usual, the real life pro tip is in the comments.

  • @fluke9
    @fluke9 4 года назад +12

    Your throttle position is in degrees most likely not percent ;-) so 91 degrees open.

    • @toad3222
      @toad3222 4 года назад

      Huh I didn't think of that

    • @780brando
      @780brando 4 года назад +1

      Its in percent, as in 100% open, 50% open etc.

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  4 года назад +4

      It is percentage (as displayed in the log). :)

    • @cristianoronaldog.o.a.t4590
      @cristianoronaldog.o.a.t4590 4 года назад

      A throttle is 90 degrees so it was about 82 degrees open :3 which is normal

  • @turbodreamst88
    @turbodreamst88 4 года назад +16

    4:57 dropping serious universal wisdom

  • @christophersmith879
    @christophersmith879 4 года назад +2

    Thanks for yet another lesson. My first thought was the bypass valve. You have taught me more than school ever did. And it's free information 😁. Keep up the good work

  •  4 года назад +5

    It was super informative. That's how we all learn, when modifying these cars. The OEM Ecu's have gone so advance. That they have so many parameters, variables and tables to protect the engine. It is crazy but at the same time it is fascinating. Keep it up 🍻👍

  • @andrewdc1
    @andrewdc1 4 года назад +9

    Jason! Unbelievably something similar happened to me a couple weeks ago!
    I installed a roots style supercharger on my Hyundai Tiburon and it was having trouble making boost and in fact felt slower at times. My first thought was "It must be the boost actuator". I replaced it just in case and NO FIX. I was at a loss and didnt understand what was going on because I also had no boost leaks. Well I have a throttle monitor for nitrous in my car and one day I noticed when I looked down at it it said my throttle position was not 100% when I floored it

  • @wpgspecb
    @wpgspecb 4 года назад +1

    25 seconds into this video I was yelling at my phone "GOD DAMN TUNE" yet for some reason I watched the rest of the video (at 1.25x) even though I knew the answer before the 1 minute mark.

    • @tgmiranda1980
      @tgmiranda1980 4 года назад

      Yes, I'm surprised Jason jumped to the conclusion of mechanical issue instead of tune issue. The tune is the first thing I'd look at after installing a power adder, regardless if there is an issue or not. :p

  • @coscorrodrift
    @coscorrodrift 4 года назад +7

    Great video, everything from the thinking what went wrong, to explaining what you missed was brilliant 👍🏼👍🏼 Things like these are what really need to be Explained about Engineering hahahahah

  • @hoganfan924
    @hoganfan924 4 года назад +13

    Why would they supply a turn-key kit without a calibration that works?

    • @TheDrAkira
      @TheDrAkira 4 года назад

      Edelbrock guys messing around with tune files idk...

    • @boxr_4214
      @boxr_4214 4 года назад +5

      every car is different and some of them will have weird stuff going on. that’s why it’s not really ideal to run a car on off the shelf maps, the tune may not be perfect for the car. whenever you modify a modern car in a way that affects the engine it’s a good idea to get it tuned professionally.

    • @300zxdriver
      @300zxdriver 4 года назад +1

      I’m not impressed with Edelbrock, to make such nice kit then not trouble shoot your issue. You could of done all the work to send the super charger back to no avail. Plus a lot of down time. I know your not a car channel,but we want some numbers.

    • @hoganfan924
      @hoganfan924 4 года назад +4

      Phlying Phoenix Every “factory tune” is professionally developed by the OE engineers over many months and thousands of hours, and they’re all the same. Throttle vs. pedal position is as basic as it gets. Edelbrock needs to do better. I spent much of my career developing award winning engines for a major OEM.

    • @kenm4678
      @kenm4678 4 года назад

      @@TheDrAkira the tune was supplied by Fab9 and could simply been a corrupted file. Edelbrock just supplied the hardware.

  • @khazzzzzz
    @khazzzzzz Год назад +1

    Why do you sound like Ross Geller (FRIENDS)?

  • @YDSTE
    @YDSTE 4 года назад +12

    Dropping knowledge at 5:00 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @gasgibson
    @gasgibson 4 года назад +9

    Hey I enjoyed this episode it kept me interested throughout, like a soft thriller. Great job👍