5 Reasons You Shouldn't Care About Horsepower (As Much)

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  • @psykoklown874
    @psykoklown874 5 лет назад +2424

    "Adding power makes you faster on the straights. Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere". - Colin Chapman

    • @ianhinkle1878
      @ianhinkle1878 5 лет назад +32

      Enter my friend Cameron’s friend, who has an S2000 making 380 to the wheels and has way too much power for a sub-3k pound car lol

    • @HoweDoYouDo1999
      @HoweDoYouDo1999 5 лет назад +7

      Hahahaha that’s what the masterminds say when a break through comes about 😂

    • @HoweDoYouDo1999
      @HoweDoYouDo1999 5 лет назад +8

      Think about it like this 😂 adding horsepower can make it faster but literally all that horsepower will literally just go to waste if it has to carry a hefty load like it makes no difference yes it might feel spunkier but is it really necessary no 😂

    • @GewelReal
      @GewelReal 5 лет назад +29

      HP = top speed
      Torque = acceleration

    • @trolski1618
      @trolski1618 5 лет назад +26

      Gewel ✔
      Power - acceleration and speed
      Torque - strength and wheelspin

  • @HeavyRayne
    @HeavyRayne 5 лет назад +1486

    I agree with this and Koenigsegg said: we need to end the horsepower war and start a weight war.

    • @jeffruebens8355
      @jeffruebens8355 5 лет назад +51

      For the street, it is more about weight and gearing. Torque below 5252 rpm helps you take off from a stop. The recent top ten list for reliability by Consumer Reports includes the CX-9, and they mention its main competitors have more horsepower but the CX-9 has more torque (and less weight) so it feels more powerful during normal driving. A V6 engine does sound better and vibrates less, however the CX-9 gets 1 more mile per gallon on average. A turbo is a maintenance concern after 100,000 miles, compared to naturally aspirated.

    • @GERntleMAN
      @GERntleMAN 5 лет назад +26

      Still they went with the 0ne:1 and Regera and built basically undrivable although extremely nice cars.

    • @CannibalSoggoth
      @CannibalSoggoth 5 лет назад +50

      Lotus has already won lol

    • @squidproquo2241
      @squidproquo2241 5 лет назад +8

      We need to look at what Honda and Toyota are doing on their performance upgrades without changing the engine horsepower.

    • @ivanomatrisciano3828
      @ivanomatrisciano3828 4 года назад +24

      Also, lighter cars have better fuel efficency

  • @gedas3419
    @gedas3419 5 лет назад +651

    "One day Vtec will kick in" - Jason

    • @bradysully5755
      @bradysully5755 5 лет назад +1

      Gedas Alekveravičius 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @mariusjenkins7294
      @mariusjenkins7294 5 лет назад

      hopefully

    • @andyf1235
      @andyf1235 5 лет назад +4

      You forgot the "Yo"

    • @gameface6091
      @gameface6091 5 лет назад +1

      Loved his little grin when he said that.

    • @HoweDoYouDo1999
      @HoweDoYouDo1999 5 лет назад

      Hahahahah and when it does that will be the fastest HES went all week😂

  • @abenkassing
    @abenkassing 4 года назад +1435

    Me after reading the title: Removes engine to reduce weight

    • @BoopSnoot
      @BoopSnoot 4 года назад +11

      LOL! Also disingenuous to say that only Mazda cares about weight. Even in the 90s the Corvette team did cool innovations on my C5 to reduce weight to the point the rear bumper is so thin you can push it in with your hand and it bounces back, the floor is actually a polymer and balsa wood sandwich, the exhaust is made from titanium, and they made big block power from a small block engine. Its all a balancing act, and while a Miata is lighter than a Corvette, I drove both and found the Corvette more fun as it used a little more weight to get fatter tires on it and so has much higher cornering G-forces than the same year Miata and far more "jerk" factor in acceleration with its much greater power/weight ratio.

    • @dragoon--slayer
      @dragoon--slayer 4 года назад +4

      Underrated comment tho 😏

    • @johannesandersson7756
      @johannesandersson7756 4 года назад

      WEIGHT REDUCTION BRO!!

    • @trumanhw
      @trumanhw 4 года назад +1

      Great way to spend 10 minutes saying .... it's the *AREA UNDER THE CURVE!!!*

    • @junechris
      @junechris 4 года назад

      Weighs the same as my 95 Sl2, the Miata does. But the Satty is 4 doors and can fit a whole family and is in very good shape and modded.

  • @SergioLopez-tq6wq
    @SergioLopez-tq6wq 5 лет назад +3664

    "You shouldn't care about horsepower"
    Dodge Engineers: Ight Imma head out

    • @joshuabarkey4554
      @joshuabarkey4554 5 лет назад +296

      Dodge, the company that can make a car with 485 horsepower slower than a car with 400 HP built 15 years ago.

    • @j.3854
      @j.3854 5 лет назад +38

      Joshua you must mean a C5 Z06? 🤔 haha. Totally agree

    • @RiggyRonnie
      @RiggyRonnie 5 лет назад +44

      I drive a 12v cummins it's all about the torque with my dodge.

    • @haydengroover590
      @haydengroover590 5 лет назад +68

      @@RiggyRonnie exactly, not a dodge engine lol. Made by a company that manufactures large Semi-Truck motors, plus it's a Diesel lol.

    • @Masztufa
      @Masztufa 5 лет назад +19

      to quote another youtuber: only dickheads drive dodge

  • @gschaaf713
    @gschaaf713 5 лет назад +1276

    the lack of formulas and equations in this video is disturbing.

    • @maxnovakovics2568
      @maxnovakovics2568 5 лет назад +65

      Yeah there's not enough whiteboard I can't follow

    • @grantlauzon5237
      @grantlauzon5237 5 лет назад +36

      Basically everything here can be summarized as (Force, Mass, Acceleration)
      f / m = *a*
      *F* / m = *A*
      *F* / *M* = *a*
      Drag is exponential so more F means more top speed. But it’s the ratio of F / M = A which is usually more useful.

    • @jianyuhua
      @jianyuhua 5 лет назад +1

      MadScientist that’s true, I preferred number

    • @gschaaf713
      @gschaaf713 5 лет назад +10

      @MAKSTR those are fighting words. i have one video, with your mom, but posting it is against youtube's TOS.

    • @gschaaf713
      @gschaaf713 5 лет назад

      @@grantlauzon5237 thank you

  • @rinusbrand9993
    @rinusbrand9993 5 лет назад +267

    Colin Chapman the founder of Lotus also stated:
    "Power makes You faster on the straghts, less weight makes You faster everywhere"

    • @Ryomichi
      @Ryomichi 5 лет назад

      Rinus Brand but a car without power goes nowhere, literally.

    • @zhila5958
      @zhila5958 5 лет назад +8

      Ryomichi actually a lightweight car with less horsepower can not just be faster in a straight line than a heavier car with abit more horsepower but can also be way faster around corners

    • @kenkalajdzic
      @kenkalajdzic 5 лет назад +1

      @@zhila5958 It was a joke (but factually correct) ... He specifically said "without power" as in having 0 HP.

    • @zhila5958
      @zhila5958 5 лет назад +1

      Ken Kalajdžič so basically with no engine xD

    • @bruceoblad9172
      @bruceoblad9172 5 лет назад +6

      LOTUS Elise 2000 lbs. Big legal go kart. Amazing!

  • @shapeshifter6316
    @shapeshifter6316 3 года назад +73

    I'm so glad to see someone address the topic of the 2nd derivative of speed: jerk. Everyone talks about acceleration (the 1st derivative) as the thing you feel, but I've always been convinced that the changing rate of acceleration (the "jerk") is what you really feel. Great video!

    • @mikesteffensen6017
      @mikesteffensen6017 2 года назад +7

      I would appreciate your comment alot more, if you wrote derivative of velocity.
      I believe you are only capable of feeling the acceleration. However, as you start accelerating in a car, your muscles stabilize your body. And with a constant acceleration, your muscles work mostly static at a constant force. BUT - As you point out, with increasing acceleration (jerk), you muscles are always ""trying to catch up", to the muscle force required to stabilize at a given acceleration. Meaning, you kinda do feel the jerk, but not really, if that makes sense. So you feel the acceleration, but it is the jerk that keeps pushing you into your seat.

  • @mikey3106
    @mikey3106 5 лет назад +483

    "Just hoping that one day VTEC will kick in"
    Didnt expect to hear that

    • @nathan_aus
      @nathan_aus 5 лет назад +12

      I liked the video immediately after hearing that line. :p

    • @smokejblow66
      @smokejblow66 5 лет назад

      And that specific engine set up with the S2thousand you have to rev that thing up till like 8000 before you get anything. The car only had what 130 foot pounds of torque it was a joke

    • @squidwardshouse67
      @squidwardshouse67 5 лет назад +3

      @smokejblow66 It was 153 lb-ft for the earlier cars which is really good for a naturally aspirated 2L. That’s the nature of naturally aspirated engines. They are to be revved out to achievemax power.

    • @jamesnorth7318
      @jamesnorth7318 5 лет назад +2

      @@smokejblow66 no one can mave a vvti engine as good as honda though. The first type r got around 180 from a 1.6 n/a engine in the 1990's and the standard b16 was around 160. That's amazing engineering no matter if you love or hate honda.

    • @smokejblow66
      @smokejblow66 5 лет назад +3

      @@squidwardshouse67 I understand that, just for a car that had 240HP the torque numbers were pretty bad. However now that I look at it from an overall the engineering standpoint was pretty spot on for a 2.2.
      However: nothing will beat my 2000 Toyota Echo that weighs 2025 lbs and has a 1.5 with 108 hp and 105lbs of torque. Killing it at 40 MPGS all day long!!

  • @xiaoweixiaowei1
    @xiaoweixiaowei1 5 лет назад +509

    Extremely well said and explained. Nowadays we have more than enough hp, we actually need less weight.

    • @HardinRacingHPS
      @HardinRacingHPS 5 лет назад +4

      I agree some cars are becoming very heavy. ..someone give a termi swapped fox

    • @bcubed72
      @bcubed72 5 лет назад +19

      Thank the Nanny State for that one. You can't make cars that can survive a frontal offset crash without a LOT of steel. Also rollover protection (really: other than drunks, who rolls their cars?) is heavy as well.

    • @bcubed72
      @bcubed72 5 лет назад +1

      Thank the Nanny State for that one. You can't make cars that can survive a frontal offset crash without a LOT of steel. Also rollover protection (really: other than drunks, who rolls their cars?) is heavy as well.

    • @muktheshac4146
      @muktheshac4146 5 лет назад +5

      I agree 100percent .. less weight more economy and less maintenance.

    • @halofreak1990
      @halofreak1990 5 лет назад +16

      @@bcubed72 "You can't make cars that can survive a frontal offset crash without a LOT of steel."
      You can, but that's rather expensive. It'd require the chassis and body to be made from composite materials, like used in Le Mans prototype cars.

  • @Joelo26
    @Joelo26 5 лет назад +508

    Rest of RUclips: "Corvette Review"
    EE: "HP is overrated"

    • @ChuckBeefOG
      @ChuckBeefOG 5 лет назад +9

      Corvette is actually a prime example of what torque can do. GM’s V8’s often make the same torque as HP, that’s why they would crush the 458 when it was out, it make 562hp but a measly 398lb-ft. Pulls hard up top but gutless in low to mid range where as the Vette is strong throughout the whole rev range. You average $30,000 half-ton pick up truck from GM makes more torque than a Ferrari 458.

    • @kevink2315
      @kevink2315 5 лет назад +4

      @@ChuckBeefOG Good point. This result is implied with EE's Reason 1, where the shape of the Hp curve is mentioned. Hp is proportional to torque at any rpm. Since the Corvette has greater low end torque, there is also greater Hp there, vs the 458.

    • @nothingsurprisesmeanymore
      @nothingsurprisesmeanymore 5 лет назад

      All he said about hp is correct but he only came up with the argument so he could sell the Mazda MX-5 in this loosely veiled advertisment 😆

    • @kevink2315
      @kevink2315 5 лет назад

      @@nothingsurprisesmeanymore Perhaps. He seemed to be pushing how fun small fun cars in the old British tradition. I had a 2000 lb Triumph that was very fun to drive, especially after doubling the hp to 170, and upgrading everything. But he lost it when analyzing the effect of massive down force. And high peak hp is not just for top speed, it's for accelerations in the mid range of speed, after downshifting, which for most is more often that a 0-60 run.

    • @nicholasperkins4655
      @nicholasperkins4655 5 лет назад

      Spreadsheet I made comparing weight/hp /cost:
      2019 Ford Mustang GT(manual) 3705 460 36450 8.05434782608696 293580.97826087
      2019 Nissan 370z coupe(manual) 3333 332 29990 10.039156626506 301074.307228916
      2019 Ford Mustang(manual) 3532 310 26580 11.3935483870968 302840.516129032
      2019 Chevy Camaro 1SS(manual) 3658 455 37995 8.03956043956044 305463.098901099
      2019 Ford Fiesta ST(manual) 2720 197 22315 13.8071065989848 308105.583756345
      2019 Hyundai Veloster N(performance package) 3036 275 29000 11.04 320160
      2019 Fiat 500 Abarth(manual) 2512 160 20495 15.7 321771.5
      2018 Ford Focus ST 3223 252 25170 12.7896825396825 321916.30952381
      2019 Chevy Camaro 1LT(manual) 3354 275 26495 12.1963636363636 323142.654545455
      2019 Hyundai Veloster N 3036 250 26900 12.144 326673.6
      2019 Chevy Camaro 3LT(manual) 3448 335 31995 10.2925373134328 329309.731343284
      2019 Subaru WRX(manual) 3272 268 27195 12.2089552238806 332022.537313433
      2019 Mazda MX-5 Miata (manual) 2337 181 25730 12.9116022099448 332215.524861878
      2019 Hyundai Veloster Turbo R Spec 2921 201 22900 14.5323383084577 332790.547263682
      2019 Hyundai Veloster 2.0(manual) 2701 147 18500 18.3741496598639 339921.768707483
      2019 Dodge Challenger R/T Scat Pack(manual) 4234 485 38995 8.72989690721649 340422.329896907
      2019 Honda Civic Si Coupe 2889 205 24300 14.0926829268293 342452.195121951
      2019 Hyundai Elantra GT N(manual) 3102 201 22300 15.4328358208955 344152.23880597
      2019 Mazda Mazda3 3082 186 21000 16.5698924731183 347967.741935484
      2019 Dodge Challenger SXT(automatic) 3858 305 27845 12.6491803278689 352216.426229508
      2019 Toyota 86 2776 205 26505 13.5414634146341 358916.487804878
      2019 Honda Civic LX Coupe 2763 158 20650 17.4873417721519 361113.607594937
      2019 Honda Civic Type R 3117 306 35700 10.1862745098039 363650
      2019 Mazda Mazda3 AWD 3255 186 21000 17.5 367500
      2019 Nissan Sentra SR Turbo 3076 188 22570 16.3617021276596 369283.617021277
      2019 VW Golf GTI(manual) 3062 228 27595 13.4298245614035 370596.00877193
      2019 VW Golf GTI(automatic) 3128 228 27595 13.719298245614 378584.035087719
      2019 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat(manual) 4429 707 60695 6.26449787835927 380223.698727016
      2019 Dodge Challenger R/T(automatic) 4158 375 34364 11.088 381028.032
      2019 Mini Cooper S(manual) 2785 189 25900 14.7354497354497 381648.148148148
      2019 Chevy Impala 3.6L V6 3682 305 31615 12.072131147541 381660.426229508
      2019 Toyota Camry L 3241 201 23945 16.1243781094527 386098.233830846
      2019 Subaru WRX STI(manual) 3272 310 36595 10.5548387096774 386254.322580645
      2019 Buick Regal Sportback 3748 250 25995 14.992 389717.04
      2019 Jeep Wrangler Sport (manual) 3970 285 28045 13.9298245614035 390661.929824561
      2019 Subaru BRZ coupe(manual) 2798 205 28645 13.6487804878049 390969.317073171
      2019 John Cooper Works Hardtop(manual) 2845 228 31900 12.4780701754386 398050.438596491
      2019 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat Redeye(manual) 4470 797 71695 5.60853199498118 402103.701380176
      2019 Toyota Camry XLE V6 3549 301 34150 11.7906976744186 402652.325581395
      2019 Nissan Maxima 3552 300 34050 11.84 403152
      2018 Ford Focus RS 3434 350 41120 9.81142857142857 403445.942857143
      2019 Toyota Camry XSE V6 3572 301 34700 11.8671096345515 411788.704318937
      2019 Kia Stinger GT(manual) 3829 365 39300 10.4904109589041 412273.150684932
      2019 Ford Mustang Shelby GT350(manual) 3662 526 60235 6.96197718631179 419354.695817491
      2019 Kia Stinger GT 4023 365 39300 11.0219178082192 433161.369863014
      2019 Nissan 370z coupe Nismo(manual) 3457 350 45690 9.87714285714286 451286.657142857
      2019 Kia Optima SX 3558 245 31990 14.5224489795918 464573.142857143
      2019 Kia Stinger 2.0L 3611 255 32990 14.1607843137255 467164.274509804
      2019 BMW M240i Coupe(manual) 3499 335 45800 10.444776119403 478370.746268657
      2019 BMW M240i Coupe(automatic) 3519 335 45800 10.5044776119403 481105.074626866
      2019 Ford Fusion V6 Sport 4085 325 40015 12.5692307692308 502957.769230769
      2019 Chevy Corvette Stingray Coupe 3298 455 70400 7.24835164835165 510283.956043956
      2019 Santa Fe XL AWD 4169 290 41400 14.3758620689655 595160.689655172

  • @dr80ali
    @dr80ali 4 года назад +164

    01:07 Peak Horsepower
    03:02 Top Speed
    06:14 Horsepower is Heavy
    09:14 Horsepower is not Response
    10:37 Power vs Fun

  • @brucehearn2621
    @brucehearn2621 5 лет назад +202

    One of the ego busters around the track is, "Are you faster than a Spec Miata?" Let that sink in.

    • @thebrickshooter5974
      @thebrickshooter5974 4 года назад +15

      Okay, I let the sink in. Do I need to offer him a drink?

    • @srhatfield
      @srhatfield 4 года назад +28

      When I was in the D group back about 5 years ago I heard in the classroom "If you see a little Miata right off your back bumper.. point him by... God didn't put him there, he's faster than you!" I didn't believe the instructor until I got out on the track in my 435hp Mustang and had a Miata eat my lunch all the way around the track! Those things can corner!
      Now that I am in the B group I have found that Miata drivers won't point me by because they don't believe that I'll be able to get out ahead of them and they don't want to lift... those guys are "foot the floor" the entire time they're on the track. If they have to lift.. well.. it's going to take them 5 minutes to get back up to speed because in the words of one of the Miata drivers "I got 2hp!" :)

    • @BoopSnoot
      @BoopSnoot 4 года назад +7

      @@srhatfield The Miatas actually aren't that fast, but the big difference is that a lot of REALLY experienced guys buy them as track cars, often gutted, and also quite often running slicks or near-slicks. Put that same driver and tire combo in a Vette, and he'd pull faster lap times but at a much higher cost of operation and putting himself at higher risk since the limits are that much higher now to get everything out of it.

  • @balasuar
    @balasuar 5 лет назад +459

    EE: I don't lift, to keep my curb weight low.

  • @black350Z
    @black350Z 5 лет назад +776

    In terms of performance, a car needs to be able to do 3 things: accelerate, brake and turn. Horsepower only affects acceleration. Weight affects all 3.

    • @pankajbhatt5103
      @pankajbhatt5103 5 лет назад +42

      Bro horsepower doesn't increase acceleration torque does hp is for the max speed but the factor that determines how much fast would you achieve that mad speed is torque

    • @flavioxy
      @flavioxy 5 лет назад +51

      @@pankajbhatt5103 Torque and power are proportional though. High power means high torque and therefore, high acceleration. In fact, high torque and low power means that the car accelerates well at low revs only so that you have to shift early and lose torque by a lower gear ratio. Cheers.

    • @pankajbhatt5103
      @pankajbhatt5103 5 лет назад +1

      @@flavioxy yes I agree with u here but earlier you that high torque automobiles are low end vehicles but rhe fact that you mentioned earlier that "horsepower only effects acceleration is not completely true"

    • @shabutir1820
      @shabutir1820 5 лет назад +10

      @@flavioxy No.... Torque decreases in the rev range. Just because you are hitting higher revs in a gear does not mean you are producing more torque, in fact its usually the opposite.
      A high torque low rpm car can almost always accelerate faster than a low torque high rpm car with more hp.

    • @sombraarthur
      @sombraarthur 5 лет назад +22

      And that is what I've been trying to put into the minds of those youngsters who think that races are not fun, unless done in ovals, a straight line or going sideways.
      The hardest racing discipline is and always will be rallyes. Why? Because you have to tune your car to do ALL the things it can do, accelerate fast and go really fast, brake efficiently and achieve stopping distances that other cars could dream on, and turn in bends that are sometimes just the size of the car, with not much room for error.
      And then you get the Group B Rallye cars... Fast, agile, graceful, able to brake in gravel, mud and other surfaces that would make a car skid like a boat in low density water, all the while being almost able to turn in their own center axis.
      How much horsepower in those cars? Something around the 400BHP. Yep. Less than one of those hypercars of today.
      But, how much weight? Something around 890kg to 1100kg. Convert that to Imperial and you will see how LIGHT those BEASTS were.
      And they did all that those cars with 700BHP or more did, they could corner like the fastest drift cars and could brake in distances only attained by F1 cars.
      We need to go back to the performance drawing boards and start to look back at the Group B Rallye cars, to find ways to improve our own cars...

  • @MihaiGradin
    @MihaiGradin 4 года назад +266

    Jason: Has fun in a 180 HP MX-5.
    Me: Has fun in a 54 HP Dacia.

    • @MihaiGradin
      @MihaiGradin 4 года назад +14

      @Thordur Hogna No. Dacia 1310 1.3L inline 4 carbureted

    • @benkadu0007
      @benkadu0007 3 года назад +7

      Same, 1.1 60hp citoren c2

    • @simonolthenorwegian
      @simonolthenorwegian 3 года назад +7

      At work we have a 2013 diesel citroën jumpy with a broken turbo, so its basically NA at this point. NGL its probably one of the most fun cars I've ever driven.

    • @AzNightmare
      @AzNightmare 3 года назад +4

      *Me: 0.9 hp. Skinny lightweight male running. Power to weight ratio, baby. One of the most fun ways to commute.*

    • @meep9935
      @meep9935 2 года назад +3

      I have a Nissan Sentra with 130hp and and 6-speed manual and it's the most fun vehicle I've had thanks to low power and three pedals

  • @blazeyfearey9001
    @blazeyfearey9001 5 лет назад +309

    “You dont need power to party”
    -lil clutchkick

    • @raikkappa23
      @raikkappa23 5 лет назад +4

      ok randy

    • @Johnny-tq9no
      @Johnny-tq9no 5 лет назад +2

      Even he changed his opinion and said it's waayyyy better with power

    • @HoweDoYouDo1999
      @HoweDoYouDo1999 5 лет назад +3

      Haha but I do need it to hold a drift 😂

    • @Johnny-tq9no
      @Johnny-tq9no 5 лет назад

      @@HoweDoYouDo1999 not required but much better

    • @harryham1
      @harryham1 5 лет назад

      "You care about how it handles; what it feels like
      You care about grip" 😏

  • @stephenkumnick3508
    @stephenkumnick3508 5 лет назад +299

    Oh stop making such good sense. Nobody likes a person that speaks truth and logic. Kill joy.

    • @HoweDoYouDo1999
      @HoweDoYouDo1999 5 лет назад

      Stephen Kumnick I’m pretty sure no one was asking to direct this man to this video so why does his joy being killed have to affect my experience 😂

    • @DrWhom
      @DrWhom 5 лет назад +2

      EE does get to go on tracks and have the HP fun. So he has a broad view of the matter, he is not talking out of envy.

  • @Chr0meTiGeR
    @Chr0meTiGeR 5 лет назад +275

    "This is the lightest fun car" - Lotus: Am I a joke to you?

    • @tomfurstyfield
      @tomfurstyfield 5 лет назад +17

      @@collin9079 Lotus is still the most fun car though

    • @kurtmuroki8763
      @kurtmuroki8763 5 лет назад +4

      I want a Lotus!

    • @dc656
      @dc656 5 лет назад +5

      Maybe he meant as a new car? The new Lotus Exige is 100lbs heavier than the Miata. Probably way more fun though.

    • @jonrobert800
      @jonrobert800 5 лет назад +14

      *cough Arial Atom *cough

    • @pillow1427
      @pillow1427 5 лет назад +15

      the lotus elise is 300 lbs lighter.

  • @stephenriggs8177
    @stephenriggs8177 3 года назад +87

    I discovered this, myself, after test-driving 3 cars in about an hour. The one with the least horsepower had the most torque ... and was by far the most fun to drive.

    • @maaax1173
      @maaax1173 2 года назад +14

      Torque doesn't actually say something by itself, only combined with rpm, which equals horsepower anyway. The only reason torque would be important is because if it's high at low rpms you get a lot of power

    • @zlac
      @zlac 2 года назад +1

      My new little 100HP 1.0 turbo Ceed has 172NM from 1500 to 4000rpm and the feel is so much "faster" than my old 1.6l 100HP 143NM Focus.
      Focus was "alive" only AFTER 4000rpm.

    • @DroneStrike1776
      @DroneStrike1776 Год назад +2

      My 2019 Mazda 3 AWD NA 186hp at 6000rpm 186tq at 4000rpm. Car mags says it slow, well it kinda is at 7.2 sec 0-60 (Car and Driver tested a fully equipped premium trim). But in real world driving, getting all 186tq at 4000rpm flat all the way to 6000rpm makes the car feel quicker than it is. At 3250lbs for a fully loaded AWD, the low to mid range torque makes it fun on the back roads. Opt for the base model, without the heated/power seats heated steering wheels and mirrors, sunroof, 10 speakers with subwoofers like I did, I'm sure it's under 3200lbs. It feels better than my old e90 with the N52 since that car likes to be higher in the rev range.
      Next stop will probably be lightweight wheels for better response.

  • @jimnms
    @jimnms 5 лет назад +704

    "It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow."

    • @mattevans1643
      @mattevans1643 5 лет назад +22

      No, it's more fun to drive a slow car fast, than drive a slow car slow. Hp has nothing to do with speed. A 4000lb vehicle needs about 800hp, to be as fast as a 3000lb vehicle with 450hp.

    • @HoweDoYouDo1999
      @HoweDoYouDo1999 5 лет назад +22

      Hehehehe a fast car makes no sense because I can’t ever use the power at all😂

    • @emin86
      @emin86 5 лет назад +60

      I like to differ: Driving a fast car really slow to annoy people is actually a lot of fun. They expect to hear some roar and speed and you disappoint them on so many levels.

    • @VMKAROUND365
      @VMKAROUND365 5 лет назад +5

      @@emin86 lol

    • @frankkrunk
      @frankkrunk 5 лет назад +33

      @@emin86 If I was absurdly wealthy I would buy a Bugattnigsegg and fit it with a super-expensive muffler that makes it completely quiet. And also a tow hook. And then just use it to tow a caravan at a very reasonable speed.

  • @DreamDrivenLifestyle
    @DreamDrivenLifestyle 5 лет назад +629

    Engineering Explained: "Horsepower doesn't matter"
    Me: *Removes entire engine to save weight"

    • @Hoopty91
      @Hoopty91 5 лет назад +40

      .. You realize you could have just removed the cam* assembly and saved like.. 50lbs? Also, some people don't know this, but you can get your biggest weight loss from the removing the tires👌 thats a good 100lbs right there..
      Work smart not hard.. Remove the little/easy stuff first!

    • @DreamDrivenLifestyle
      @DreamDrivenLifestyle 5 лет назад +14

      Evan Jones your right.. we should start by removing all of that rotational mass 🤔

    • @Oblithian
      @Oblithian 5 лет назад +13

      lol. Whenever the media reports on scientific research.

    • @Mag1c4lyfe
      @Mag1c4lyfe 5 лет назад +10

      Don't forget to remove the air filter too. That'll save you about 1lb.

    • @pmj_studio4065
      @pmj_studio4065 5 лет назад +18

      First remove the driver - it could save over 150 lbs

  • @adamrozman
    @adamrozman 5 лет назад +393

    "Top speed is something that most people are never going to attain in their vehicles."
    **Laughs in 600 cc**

    • @Johnny-tq9no
      @Johnny-tq9no 5 лет назад +8

      To be fair to cars it's much easier to hit top speed on a bike it happens much faster... Cars have much better aerodynamics and less power so they need time to fight the wind

    • @HoweDoYouDo1999
      @HoweDoYouDo1999 5 лет назад +1

      Top speed is something a lot of people will never reach because those limits are well out of reach because no one really knows 😂

    • @aiakisback3334
      @aiakisback3334 5 лет назад +16

      @@HoweDoYouDo1999 Top Speed is something only Germans know (like me)

    • @anthonyspanjich2772
      @anthonyspanjich2772 5 лет назад +2

      Hey try Audi SQ7 - twin turbo diesel with 48 volt approx 3 second initial electric supercharger boost from the get go till little turbo spools up first - brutally quick (900Nm at 1000RPM.... no joke - I have one). Combine with launch control and I can guarantee you excitement.... Hey who said 600CC bikes? RUBBISH little pieces of crap that can't even pull wheelies at 6,000RPM.... YUK. give me a real motorcycle please..... - boy racers please move down to 50cc bikes with 25,000 RPM's - I mean - its just the sound that excites you isn't it..... Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz hahahahahaha

    • @disputeone
      @disputeone 5 лет назад +7

      Laughs in 1000cc

  • @LazerLord10
    @LazerLord10 4 года назад +69

    That tidbit about jerk being why cars feel nice and responsive is probably why (car) people don't like CVTs. They can't be responsive because the transmission has to move every time you do something. I learned this in my CVT Fit when I went in to manual-ratio-mode to hold the engine at 3.5k, and I was surprised at the direct no-lag response between my foot and the acceleration, lol.

    • @gregnixon1296
      @gregnixon1296 4 года назад +5

      Yep, I drove a CVT transmission about a month ago. When I floored it, absolutely nothing happened for about 3 seconds.

    • @recharging2002
      @recharging2002 4 года назад +5

      Yet there are Mercedes drivers who change out their 12G-tronics gearbox under warranty because it wasnt smooth enough.

    • @archygrey9093
      @archygrey9093 3 года назад +3

      Nothing worse than a cvt with a fart can, you keep waiting for upshift that never happens all the way down the street.

  • @kernjones1982
    @kernjones1982 5 лет назад +351

    This is the biggest reason I hate “sport” SUVs, they all weigh over 4000 lbs

    • @jareknowak8712
      @jareknowak8712 5 лет назад +49

      This + aero + center of gravity.

    • @kernjones1982
      @kernjones1982 5 лет назад +1

      Jarek Nowak how could I forget hahah

    • @m.h.3679
      @m.h.3679 5 лет назад +12

      lol my dads glc 63s will mop you in any weather condition, on road or off

    • @martinhubinette2254
      @martinhubinette2254 5 лет назад +40

      Dodge Challenger Hellcat, heavy with awful weight distribution on an archaic plaform, "bad" aerodynamics, and way too much power. Aka it's the perfect American muscle car.

    • @forzer45
      @forzer45 5 лет назад +19

      @@m.h.3679 I would rather take a Suzuki Jimny up a snowy mountain trail than a GLC

  • @D-Man_Jam
    @D-Man_Jam 5 лет назад +1383

    "Horsepower is overrated."
    -Honda owner

    • @poisonpotato1
      @poisonpotato1 5 лет назад +51

      But vtec
      I'm a Honda owner... My old accord has more hp than the cars I'm looking to buy haha

    • @CyroTheSpider
      @CyroTheSpider 5 лет назад +104

      But... Hondas have a lot of power. If you take into account engine size to power ratio.

    • @BannedByMe
      @BannedByMe 5 лет назад +90

      But Hondas get more power per litre than most US cars.

    • @BigUriel
      @BigUriel 5 лет назад +60

      @@BannedByMe Power per liter of engine displacement doesn't cause acceleration. Actual power does.

    • @ripdiptatterchip3851
      @ripdiptatterchip3851 5 лет назад +47

      lol the honda boys trying defend themselves ^

  • @railsandracing
    @railsandracing 5 лет назад +258

    "You Shouldn't Care About Horsepower (As Much)"
    James from Donut Media: "But...mo powa baby."
    Car Throttle: "Weight reduction bro!"

  • @ryanmichaelhaley
    @ryanmichaelhaley 4 года назад +846

    "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." - Carroll Shelby

  • @AboodTurbo
    @AboodTurbo 4 года назад +200

    "You shouldn't care about horsepower that much"
    Dodge: We don't care.

    • @williamko4751
      @williamko4751 4 года назад +3

      And how is the company doing lately?

    • @DaxanDaxter
      @DaxanDaxter 4 года назад +14

      @@williamko4751 selling a lot

    • @masmcg
      @masmcg 3 года назад +3

      @@williamko4751 he's joking... the put a hellcat engine in the mini van just because

    • @K-EVOFFICIAL
      @K-EVOFFICIAL 3 года назад +1

      Because the Hellcat engine fits everything lol

    • @js0988
      @js0988 3 года назад

      I think he means horsepower that can go around a track more than one lap before blowing up in a cloud of blue smoke.

  • @Mekkiceh
    @Mekkiceh 5 лет назад +97

    I am so much in love with that Mazda's red color

  • @volvo09
    @volvo09 5 лет назад +117

    I love small light cars, they are very fun on the road, especially up in the mountains and twisty roads.

  • @Johnnyscarcarereviews
    @Johnnyscarcarereviews 3 года назад +14

    Amazing video as usual. I love how you fall into a small group of individuals that actually explain fully your point and the reasoning behind it. I have a 2018 mustang Gt with now 475hp and I have a 1994 mustang gt with roughly 300hp. I love driving both but for jerk or response hands down the 94 GT because it weighs 500lbs less, has 4:10 gears and is a manuel. While handling is miles better on the 2018 GT stang that is another story all together. Thank you for explaining why low end torque is so much more important for FUN than HP

  • @TheAdventureAuto
    @TheAdventureAuto 5 лет назад +259

    This whole video explains why Miata is always the answer.

    • @parmesanjon
      @parmesanjon 5 лет назад +26

      And as a Miata owner, I can confirm they are always the answer.

    • @erikgonzalez2278
      @erikgonzalez2278 5 лет назад +3

      BRP Adventures yeah they are my dad had a 1990 Miata it was really fun just to go to redline! Even that old it was fun to drive.

    • @parmesanjon
      @parmesanjon 5 лет назад +4

      @@erikgonzalez2278 Mine is a '90! Bone stock. Has dents from previous owners, so it's not the prettiest, but damn does it drive well. I've put over 30,000 miles on it with almost no issues. Hell, I got rear ended by someone going 15mph last night and it came out nearly unscathed! But that was from my trailer hitch saving the car.

    • @TheAdventureAuto
      @TheAdventureAuto 5 лет назад +6

      I have a 95 and a 00 Miata, and just recently purchased a 5.0 V8 sedan. Im semi regretting the V8 because my Miatas are way more fun to drive. Having 430 horsepower isnt all it was chalked up to be.

    • @AdamHarrisonEros
      @AdamHarrisonEros 5 лет назад +3

      I wish they had a Miata for tall people. :-(

  • @07wrxtr1
    @07wrxtr1 5 лет назад +189

    Here is the real question: HOW did you film that without being perpetually stuck behind either a) prius driver b) subaru outback driver

    • @BlueDually4x4
      @BlueDually4x4 5 лет назад +5

      If he is around the Boise area, most people that own a prius or an outback drive like the assholes that own BMWs, over the speed limit and constantly cut off semi trucks without using their turn signal.

    • @manccarguy
      @manccarguy 5 лет назад

      BlueDually4x4 **Indicators

    • @squidproquo2241
      @squidproquo2241 5 лет назад +3

      No! here is the real question. Why should everyone drive the way you like them to drive, but you shouldn't drive like they would like you to drive? Are you the perpetual best driver in the world?

    • @truthsearching78
      @truthsearching78 5 лет назад +5

      If you dont do the speed limit you should get ticketed just like me for speeding. And clogging multiple lanes going the same speed should be worse than a careless and reckless! Lol

    • @nthgth
      @nthgth 5 лет назад +2

      @@manccarguy *turn signals

  • @adventurousairman
    @adventurousairman 5 лет назад +98

    I own a 1982 Mercedes 240 Diesel 4 speed manual, 63 HP, drive one, you won’t care what happens outside of the car!

    • @herrkeks8509
      @herrkeks8509 5 лет назад +2

      Great car :D Congratulations :) I totally agree, I wouldn’t mind either.

    • @jessevongnaraj2276
      @jessevongnaraj2276 5 лет назад +9

      I have a 1983 240d with a stick!
      It’s a joy to drive with a blistering 55 whp

    • @imnotusingmyrealname4566
      @imnotusingmyrealname4566 5 лет назад +7

      Woah now I feel like I driving a muscle car with insane 75hp!

    • @tunturimies84
      @tunturimies84 5 лет назад +3

      I love the w123!

    • @nirfz
      @nirfz 5 лет назад +4

      i had a 1984 300 Diesel with 88hp and the 4 speed manual, i did care very much what happend outside, because when you are at a crossing, and you want to enter a road that people go 100 kph and your car accellerates like a dune, it matter to not cause an accident. (few cars had ABS) Don't get me wrong, i really liked the car, especially the engine braking! (brake pads hat to be changed because of age rather than beeing used up! (they started to crumble)

  • @kevinlee280
    @kevinlee280 5 лет назад +39

    I totally agree with you. Since I've bought my MX-5 a year ago, I've had a blast in it. Great car.

  • @GRSEMETROMALL
    @GRSEMETROMALL 5 лет назад +137

    You do get to those top speeds. you just don’t get there legally.

    • @jayturk5008
      @jayturk5008 4 года назад

      Yeah man

    • @M69392
      @M69392 4 года назад +1

      How often?

    • @PaulA-zp7hn
      @PaulA-zp7hn 4 года назад +2

      @Jay Dee yes, here on the Autobahn we just do it :)
      (some idiots that run the country are trying to take it away from us but not any time soon!)

    • @raynic1173
      @raynic1173 3 года назад

      used to do it on my bike almost every week!

    • @Unknown-py1kd
      @Unknown-py1kd 3 года назад

      @@PaulA-zp7hn oh so your government is trying to take the fun thing germany is famous to the rest of the world away? also how are modification laws there? how far can you go as modifications? this has been my questions for a very long time

  • @stevencamacho8234
    @stevencamacho8234 5 лет назад +141

    ''if ya spinnin ya ain't winnin'' - someone somewhere.

    • @MiguelMedV
      @MiguelMedV 5 лет назад +2

      _(Unless you're downhill Drifting in a mountain XdXdXd)..._

    • @MrRedstoner
      @MrRedstoner 5 лет назад +7

      @@MiguelMedV Putting the memes aside for a moment, IIRC Keiichi Tsuchiya (The drift king) did measured downhill runs, and grip was always faster than drift. That being said, to quote Keiichi 'I drift not because it is a quicker way around a corner, but it is the most exciting way.'

    • @MiguelMedV
      @MiguelMedV 5 лет назад

      @@MrRedstoner Yeah, I read all of that as well before, even _Initial D_ itself started to almost having no Drift at all since 5th Stage...
      ...But still it doesn't convince me. If I am wrong, I shall notice and accept it. Still not sure, have you tried the _Assoluto Racing_ Sim game? Or watched Vegetable Studio latest videos here in RUclips (Assetto Corsa)? Don't get me wrong, I'm looking for the fastest way of Tougé Racing too, but I need to watch all the angles ; )...

    • @Jupiter__001_
      @Jupiter__001_ 5 лет назад +3

      @@MrRedstoner On tarmac this is true, but drifting has existed for a long time on gravel, mud and snow as a fast way to corner. The reason for this is that the lower entry speed of a grip technique requires a long braking in poor conditions, whereas with a drift you can brake mid-corner (though as I recall exit speeds are similar).

    • @TrumpWonGetOverIt
      @TrumpWonGetOverIt 5 лет назад

      I smoke cars while spinning to 60

  • @stevewaclo167
    @stevewaclo167 5 лет назад +137

    Someone once said “People buy horsepower, but they drive torque.”

    • @Real_MisterSir
      @Real_MisterSir 5 лет назад +19

      But in reality, people buy horsepower, they believe they drive torque, but what they actually experience is power curve and engine response.
      That's also what a lot of people get wrong about electric cars, they think it's just the torque that makes them seem so fast. It's not. It's the power curve and the instant response of the motors that create that heavy kick in the back. Not the torque itself

    • @theorange1729
      @theorange1729 5 лет назад +5

      Doesn't wheel torque always match up with the power and speed? So the only thing you really care about is power (curve), torque is an utterly useless number that the power curve already tells.

    • @tdawg719
      @tdawg719 5 лет назад +2

      Daniel Kemnitz but it’s the torque that comes on instantly not the hp. The response and pull is the torque. The hp curve is linear. Aka a straight line at an angle. HP is just a math equation.

    • @theorange1729
      @theorange1729 5 лет назад +6

      Dingus Kahn Nope, you take the hp at that specific rpm, you divide it by the rpm, you get engine torque. Multiply that by the gear ratio and you get wheel torque. Torque is just a meaningless number that can be manipulated by changing gears; power curve is solid.

    • @jaydunbar7538
      @jaydunbar7538 5 лет назад +2

      @@theorange1729 on the race track your in the power band so those numbers matter. While your towing the race cars to the track the torque band is your friend, keeping the rpms near peak torque gets you the fuel efficiency to spend money on upgrades instead of transportation fuel. Neither nuber is useless, it's just a matter of understanding what they actually represent.

  • @eivis13
    @eivis13 4 года назад +1

    Most usefull things of a vehicle:
    1. High sustained torque curve;
    2. How easy it is to remove every part of the vehicle(something we see less and less(most noticed in german brands));
    3. Easability of parking in a city (naturaly it will have a good suspension setup);
    4. Interior ergonomics;
    5. How much and max width/length of cargo can you fit;
    6. Can it be as cheap as a Prius when cruising but beat a mustang in a drag race.

  • @royj8549
    @royj8549 5 лет назад +201

    "A Nissan Leaf has 150hp at the crank"
    Shouldn't that be "at the armature"?

    • @cecilotto504
      @cecilotto504 5 лет назад +4

      The new leaf has more power an range

    • @grantfischer7176
      @grantfischer7176 5 лет назад +2

      DEAD😂😂

    • @grantfischer7176
      @grantfischer7176 5 лет назад +1

      That was good😂

    • @retro80s80
      @retro80s80 5 лет назад +7

      Just think how much petrol you can buy for the price of a new battery🤔.
      Technology for electric cars isn't there yet!!! and you cannot put a battery fire out. Bet thats not in the handbook.

    • @dustinjames1268
      @dustinjames1268 5 лет назад +13

      @@retro80s80
      The battery in most EVs these days are lifetime warrantied
      You can put out battery fires, you just cant use a normal extinguisher, just as you cant use an extinguisher on oil but you can still manage an oil fire

  • @basmeijs6973
    @basmeijs6973 5 лет назад +39

    having grown up with caterhams, amen to this. Accelerating is fun, but in my opinion, cornering is more fun still.

    • @BoopSnoot
      @BoopSnoot 4 года назад +4

      However, accelerating is something that you can reasonably safely do on public roads without putting anyone in danger, just on entrance ramps, a quick pass, stop light, etc. Its very difficult to find corners that aren't blind and a mistake there can have you heading into oncoming traffic or flipping the car. Sad but true, and most of us become too lazy to drive a couple hours out to the racetrack and wait our turns, making the high horsepower larger more practical vehicle the better fun daily driver.

    • @govinlock8568
      @govinlock8568 4 года назад

      @@BoopSnoot It depends with the area too. I live at region that have roads wity more corners than straights, so the car with more cornering capability are more enjoyable. I got more enjoyment driving there with less power but lighter hatchback than more power but heavier SUV, even the SUV has faster 0-60 than the hatchback.

    • @Squeaktoymk2
      @Squeaktoymk2 4 года назад +1

      @Frances Hill Truth right here.
      Lots of torque and horsepower is nice and all, but it doesn't excite me at all if the car handles like a boat and needs to slow to a crawl just to take a corner decently.

  • @tristont4204
    @tristont4204 5 лет назад +65

    "I don't lift weights that high in weight value" that did a combo on me💀💀

    • @HoweDoYouDo1999
      @HoweDoYouDo1999 5 лет назад

      Triston T Hahahaha dead😂

    • @HoweDoYouDo1999
      @HoweDoYouDo1999 5 лет назад

      Triston T Hahahaha start light it makes it easier with due time 😂

    • @slowanddeliberate6893
      @slowanddeliberate6893 5 лет назад +1

      I thought he was going to say that he doesn't lift weights at all...

  • @cameronpoole174
    @cameronpoole174 4 года назад +397

    “The Miata is great. Horsepower is overrated.”
    Puts a supercharger in his Miata to increase HP.

    • @Reploidx9
      @Reploidx9 4 года назад +19

      The MX5 IS great though. I considered putting a super in mine, but I don't want to screw up the weighting of it.

    • @sushibento3042
      @sushibento3042 4 года назад

      so you drive a bus we get it x'D

    • @businessmanph
      @businessmanph 4 года назад

      It was fun stock but full bolt on is way better. I got the edlebrock and if I could do it again I would turbo it. Better decision would be to invest the money. The simple fact that companies advertise high horse power vs wheel horse power is misleading. The nd1 vs nd2 0 to 60 and quarter mile is .1 second faster. Horse power is a range.

    • @Fjasdflasdf
      @Fjasdflasdf 3 года назад +4

      If he cared about power he would’ve gone with the good old ls swap 😂😂

    • @vitorxd12_81
      @vitorxd12_81 3 года назад +15

      he never said that he dont like hp, he just said that he likes lightness more

  • @thatoneotherotherguy
    @thatoneotherotherguy 5 лет назад +104

    2019 Miata owner here, 11,000 miles in.
    Verdict: buy one. It's as much of a blast as everyone says, and that doesn't go away after the honeymoon period. MSRP on my vehicle was roughly $25-26k. That's a bargain for this much brand new fun.
    It sips gas and all consumables are dirt cheap. I took a 1500 mile Colorado road trip exclusively through 2 lane mountain roads, driving like I wanted to lose my license the majority of the time. Trip average: 41mpg.
    You don't want that ecoboost Mustang, bro. You want this.

    • @Patrick-vd7yl
      @Patrick-vd7yl 5 лет назад +2

      do you pull the Blaupunkt head unit every time after parking...?

    • @crosstheborder731
      @crosstheborder731 5 лет назад +6

      Another ND2 owner here, 15k miles.
      Best new car for the money. I take it EVERYWHERE

    • @BigBoss-sh2jx
      @BigBoss-sh2jx 5 лет назад +1

      Nah, I bought an RT Charger and it’s way more fun

    • @07wrxtr1
      @07wrxtr1 5 лет назад +3

      I'd buy one and turbo the crap out of it, along withe some wider/wheel tire setup, then enjoy pissing off porsche owners in the canyons. Still would not beat most of 'em, but enough to just annoy 'em.

    • @johnnypk1963
      @johnnypk1963 5 лет назад

      MSRP for the base model is around 35k

  • @austinradtke2896
    @austinradtke2896 5 лет назад +105

    The moment when my lifted truck weighs less than a Porsche sports car...

    • @TheWolvesCurse
      @TheWolvesCurse 5 лет назад +15

      calling the Taycan a sportscar is quite a stretch.

    • @OmegaF77
      @OmegaF77 5 лет назад +3

      Well hot damn you've got yerself an F-1 car!

    • @sleeptyper
      @sleeptyper 5 лет назад +8

      Calling anything under 3.5 tonnes a truck is quite a stretch.

    • @sleeptyper
      @sleeptyper 5 лет назад +1

      @@cat7371 Aww... Get a CDL and start real truckin'.

    • @GeneralBigFoot
      @GeneralBigFoot 5 лет назад

      Austin Radtke and what truck is that, only way you’re going to subtract weight enough to get a truck that light is rubber band tires, a tiny four cylinder and just about everything else one can do to make a lifted truck disgusting

  • @Broadpaw_Fox
    @Broadpaw_Fox 5 лет назад +181

    " hoping that one day, eventually VTEC will kick in..."
    Oh damn... I laughed so loud I scared people ... thank you. I needed that
    **edited because autoderp**

    • @thatoneotherotherguy
      @thatoneotherotherguy 5 лет назад +1

      I love it when he awkwardly says "uh, yo" at the end of that.

  • @alexleighton6552
    @alexleighton6552 4 года назад +93

    Horsepower is heavy. Koenigsegg 1:One, “Hold my beer” 1hp per KG

    • @alexduey7868
      @alexduey7868 4 года назад +1

      I think he was referring to a common mans car such as the challenger or Mustang but it is incredible that car exists.

    • @aluisious
      @aluisious 4 года назад +4

      Hope your wallet is heavy. You could get 1hp/1kg for $17k with a Yamaha R1.

    • @vintageman91
      @vintageman91 4 года назад +1

      If we go that way then what about the 1973 porsche 917/30 at around 1.8 bhp per kg. XD

    • @completelyboringstuff204
      @completelyboringstuff204 3 года назад

      @@aluisious Yeah! Just bought a Kawasaki ZX 10R with the same ratio, thy could offer that already in 2004! Paid less than 3K...

    • @BrunodeSouzaLino
      @BrunodeSouzaLino 3 года назад

      Keep in mind the car is heavier than the engine has HP, so you're not getting that much bang for your buck in terms of performance. The engine is 1341 HP. The car weights 1360 Kg.

  • @ZekielFialho
    @ZekielFialho 5 лет назад +34

    Great message and so true. I really miss the old Rx-7s. Really considering the Mx-5 as my next driver's car.

    • @Anthonychua1982
      @Anthonychua1982 5 лет назад +4

      Do it. You will only regret the moment you sell the Miata. You will miss it so much...

    • @andrealoi4426
      @andrealoi4426 5 лет назад +2

      I bought the 2019 mx-5 RF in august as a weekend car... already put more than 3000 miles on it. I keep finding excuses to drive it daily.

    • @konstantinliebich9427
      @konstantinliebich9427 5 лет назад +4

      I picked mine up in March. I love it. Mazda needs to be rewarded for making a car like that. I did my part.
      You should get one :)

  • @TheBrujo
    @TheBrujo 5 лет назад +147

    “Hoping that v-tech will kick in” savage 😂😂😂🤣

  • @pawelkusmierek109
    @pawelkusmierek109 5 лет назад +45

    7:00 you could have added another side of the list, using cars like Caterham 7 620R as an example. 310 HP, 1200 lbs, 2.8s to 60

    • @grantlauzon5237
      @grantlauzon5237 5 лет назад +2

      It won’t have as high of a top speed as a GT 500 but in most scenarios it would do better/be fun.

    • @JeffHorschel
      @JeffHorschel 5 лет назад +2

      @@grantlauzon5237 Ariel Atom...

    • @albertor1061
      @albertor1061 5 лет назад +1

      @@JeffHorschel try having it as a daily lol

    • @marek4265
      @marek4265 5 лет назад +2

      @@albertor1061 tubular scaffolding on wheels. :-D its fun to drive though :-)

    • @BigEightiesNewWave
      @BigEightiesNewWave 5 лет назад

      C8 VETTE 2.8 and faster real soon. Traction of mid-engine.

  • @motospacepl
    @motospacepl 4 года назад +6

    Can't resist loving this man and his passion for cars. All The Best from Poland!

  • @victordogaru
    @victordogaru 5 лет назад +146

    0:17 "im not saying you shouldn't care about horsepower"
    Title of the video: " you shouldn't care about horsepower" 😂😂😂😂

    • @ovconley109
      @ovconley109 5 лет назад +1

      Beat me to it!

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  5 лет назад +57

      Haha, it's a fair comment, but if you read the full title, and listen to the video, they're aligned. This is the mess RUclips puts us in, because if the title was "5 reasons horsepower is less important than other factors of a car" the click-through-rate drops and no one gets notified about the video. So we compromise by keeping the content the same but altering the title/thumbnail to what RUclips prefers. This change has crushed a ton of educational channels. If you want to help prevent it, you have to ring the notification bell. As it sits, only 3-5% of views come from that bell. Rant over! But I'm with ya!

    • @Kenji1685
      @Kenji1685 5 лет назад +3

      @@ovconley109 except the title also says, "...(as much)."

    • @victordogaru
      @victordogaru 5 лет назад +5

      @@EngineeringExplained do what you gotta do. We love your content either way. 👍🏻

    • @Kenji1685
      @Kenji1685 5 лет назад +2

      @@EngineeringExplained Great video though, as always. You always drive in such beautiful places.

  • @peter3352
    @peter3352 5 лет назад +200

    "Weight is something we should all care more about"
    Fat People: Ight imma head out

    • @ChozenClipz
      @ChozenClipz 5 лет назад

      Kabar Mariel ight=allright

    • @Smoove7192937
      @Smoove7192937 5 лет назад

      Kabar Mariel it’s slang for alright

    • @riogrande163
      @riogrande163 5 лет назад

      @ it is internet slang term for "alright"

    • @peter3352
      @peter3352 5 лет назад

      @bloodmech21 Lmfao

    • @bignatec1000
      @bignatec1000 5 лет назад +1

      Kabar Mariel it’s like saying “alright I’m going to leave now”

  • @APerson-xg6cu
    @APerson-xg6cu 5 лет назад +78

    "That really high jerk that puts you back in your seat" -EE 2019

    • @WoodstaS
      @WoodstaS 5 лет назад +1

      Sounds like a terrible party.

    • @raynic1173
      @raynic1173 3 года назад

      @@WoodstaS sounds like a party of one.

  • @19hundoc47
    @19hundoc47 4 года назад +11

    True. I went from a 460 HP car to a 225 HP car and im having just as much fun if not more in the lower powered car but its also lightweight. Its definitely slower overall but its a blast the way the power is delivered

  • @slc9800gtx
    @slc9800gtx 5 лет назад +77

    The overall driving experience is really better than just horsepower alone.

    • @jacobsebastien3910
      @jacobsebastien3910 5 лет назад

      No horsepower no movement.

    • @elementalofficial1019
      @elementalofficial1019 5 лет назад +4

      Jacob Sebastien While you are correct, what I believe he means is that, for most of us, we won’t use all the horsepower the car can provide, and other factors, such as handling, feel, features, and overall fun matter more than sheer horsepower when looking at a car. I’d rather take a car that drives wonderfully than a car with relatively high horsepower. Of course, this all changes when we’re talking about breaking records and racing, then horsepower matters significantly.

    • @Johnny-tq9no
      @Johnny-tq9no 5 лет назад +1

      @@elementalofficial1019 the s2000 comparison was completely bs btw... He acts like it's impossible to launch while holding the revs in the powerband and slipping the clutch so you leave using full power

    • @calmiller3024
      @calmiller3024 5 лет назад +6

      @@Johnny-tq9no There is a limit to how many times you can launch like that and not have to replace your clutch, and it's surprisingly low.

    • @HoweDoYouDo1999
      @HoweDoYouDo1999 5 лет назад +1

      Man horsepower just goes to show how dead people are inside when pressing the pedal isn’t enough 😂

  • @samuelhartman3897
    @samuelhartman3897 5 лет назад +80

    "Speed and Power solves many things" -Our Lord and Saviour Jeremy Clarkson

  • @modified_eurosport
    @modified_eurosport 3 года назад +5

    Key points made! It’s like horsepower is the equivalent to “how much can you bench”.... but completely disregarding the stamina, endurance etc...

    • @alex2143
      @alex2143 2 года назад

      Also completely disregarding the person's weight. If you have two people, but one is twice the size of the other person, and the larger person can only bench like 10% more, I'd be more impressed by the smaller person and would frankly think the larger person is underperforming.

  • @Chimera6297
    @Chimera6297 4 года назад +327

    "horsepower is overrated"
    -every Miata owner ever

    • @planaproject
      @planaproject 4 года назад +30

      To be fair, horsepower is overrated. Even though im not a miata owner.

    • @TheGlenerd2
      @TheGlenerd2 4 года назад +19

      Koenigsegg himself drives a '92 miata

    • @ktv9247
      @ktv9247 4 года назад

      Lol facts

    • @EmmaHopman
      @EmmaHopman 4 года назад +8

      As a Miata owner, I really do agree with this.
      Jk I understand why horsies are fun, hence the turbo miata. Problem solved.

    • @sushibento3042
      @sushibento3042 4 года назад +3

      "- every acceleration enthusiast ever"
      mic drops, goes home fast instead of wainting for the speed to 'kick in' ;)

  • @YourNickIsTaken
    @YourNickIsTaken 5 лет назад +55

    3:42 If you live in Germany the "Autobahn" is always under construction.

    • @bj4rnee
      @bj4rnee 5 лет назад +1

      YourNickIsTaken true haha

    • @LaserPeow
      @LaserPeow 5 лет назад +1

      yea... but the sections that are not :-D you gotta know which parts are fun :-P

    • @Chuckiele
      @Chuckiele 5 лет назад +10

      @@LaserPeow The sections that are not are either speed limited or filled with trucks. The fun of the Autobahn is a thing of the past, go to a race track, much better option.

    • @LaserPeow
      @LaserPeow 5 лет назад +4

      @@Chuckiele you are probably not from germany... and regarding the race track part at least how i conceived it: I dont promote risky take overs or inappropriate speeds. you can go fast, IF traffic allows it, IF the weather allows it, IF you can handle higher speeds, IF there is no speed limit (this is literally in the Straßenverkehrsordnung [i think it is road traffic act]). Only idiots (sadly there are a lot) go fast in dense traffic... btw i do like a good distance to the one in front of me, you never know if that bloke is braking ;-)

    • @monsterGLL
      @monsterGLL 4 года назад +2

      @@LaserPeowMan muss wissen wann man auf die Autobahn fährt. Es gibt Zeiten da ist es fast leer.

  • @SmeekPeek
    @SmeekPeek 5 лет назад +25

    This is why I loved my Lotus Exige, 240hp, 2000 pounds. Also had an S2000 :)

    • @EdgarC701
      @EdgarC701 4 года назад

      @Frances Hill AGREED - if my pedestrian CX-5 manual can weigh 3215 lbs at that low of a price Its mental a super car that's half carbon fiber weighs more AT THAT PRICE.... smh

    • @MrLorenczo
      @MrLorenczo 3 года назад

      so happy someone mentioned Lotus :-), sadly i didnt have the opportunity to experience one, but one day i will, and im sure it must be a ton of fun

    • @nedson6503
      @nedson6503 3 года назад

      I have the same amount of HP in my lancer, and more torque... An exige would outperform it, top speed, acceleration, handling.
      TBH a sub 200hp lotus would still outperform it.

  • @TheShamarski
    @TheShamarski 5 лет назад +174

    I'm the typa guy to ask what's the power to weight ratio whenever someone is talking about power. 🤔

    • @novicetheaf
      @novicetheaf 5 лет назад +1

      Defiantly, my 55 nm/ 53bhp Honda Transalp 650 is around the same as the MX5 on 0-60, and its not even a sports bike. But its a V2 and makes a amazing sound and the instant torque is much better on the back roads, but I would say that on a motorway high revving engines are better.

    • @TheLiamis
      @TheLiamis 5 лет назад +6

      Lol same.
      "It has 1300hp"
      "Yeah but it weighs 3600 kg"

    • @Nimbus1951
      @Nimbus1951 5 лет назад +1

      Yup, me to. And "when" does it have power? For everyday driving I don't go above 2000 rpm because my engine has so good torque at those low revs and I still get off the street light faster than the others ;)

    • @johnludtke4416
      @johnludtke4416 5 лет назад

      Me too.

    • @NateLeePhillips
      @NateLeePhillips 5 лет назад

      This is why I use Automobile Catalogue as much as possible when looking up specs, because it includes power to weight ratio.

  • @iambiggus
    @iambiggus 4 года назад +1

    I bought a pos honda back in the day ostensibly to build my first cheap track car. I had all kinds of plans for big power right away, but a friend really insisted that I get rid of weight and do suspension/brake upgrades first. I'm really glad I listened to him, it made the car better in every way and so much more fun.

  • @fungusamongus69420
    @fungusamongus69420 5 лет назад +141

    "If you can't go fast with 90hp, 900 ain't gonna help ya."

    • @harre0267
      @harre0267 5 лет назад +1

      Soo true

    • @pkro2428
      @pkro2428 5 лет назад +14

      *laughs in german*

    • @Carl-bd1rf
      @Carl-bd1rf 5 лет назад +6

      I’ll take the 900 over your 90 and spank that ass without leaving 2nd gear!!!

    • @djteako
      @djteako 5 лет назад

      HAHA I was just going to post that !!!!! You beat me to it :)

    • @keepermovin5906
      @keepermovin5906 5 лет назад +8

      Carl aaaaand he’s drifted into a wall

  • @robertrocheville7769
    @robertrocheville7769 5 лет назад +98

    Can someone Please explain to me...
    How the hell does he drive, talk Intelligently, WITH HIGH ACCURACY, and not just ramble?

    • @Hoopty91
      @Hoopty91 5 лет назад +17

      He's been driving cars longer than a week..
      He is intelligent..
      He knows his subject..
      I could be wrong..🤔but I doubt it.😛

    • @darrenfrost1621
      @darrenfrost1621 5 лет назад

      Saf

    • @williamgrover7137
      @williamgrover7137 5 лет назад +6

      You're assuming the video was done in one solid take with no editing or rehearsal before hand. Unless the video is live you should not assume that, even if it is live there was probably some rehearsal prior, even if not a formal script.

    • @bonob0123
      @bonob0123 5 лет назад

      change of rate

    • @robertrocheville7769
      @robertrocheville7769 5 лет назад

      @@williamgrover7137 That's a good point.

  • @ChickyDoodleAnnie
    @ChickyDoodleAnnie 5 лет назад +56

    As a GT86 owner, thank you! Did everyone hear what he said? Yes? Good. :)

    • @Reploidx9
      @Reploidx9 4 года назад

      @ Why AE82? That's FWD. You want AE85/AE86

    • @bootysauce_
      @bootysauce_ 4 года назад

      I love my BRZ yeah maybe it doesn't have that much power. But I guarantee you atleast half people in the comments can't handle the car at sporty/ peak performance. Balance is everything

    • @aluisious
      @aluisious 4 года назад

      Doesn't go very fast when it's blown a head gasket, or it's getting a valve spring recall (lol, what an asinine problem in the 21st century), or...yeah. Toyota needs to make the S-FR, and take the 86 back behind the factory and shoot it.

    • @retard1643
      @retard1643 3 года назад

      @@Reploidx9 fwd is fun

    • @sbeve9820
      @sbeve9820 3 года назад

      sorry, I couldn't hear you over my stock honda odyssey minivan that makes more horsepower than your sports car

  • @garryfounds
    @garryfounds 7 месяцев назад +1

    I was waiting for the last one. THE most important factor for any car. Fun. That's it. Unfortunately, so very very few new cars are actually fun. I remember driving an old 80s era CRX and the numbers were actually horrible. Should have been boring as hell. However, given its weight and size and suspension (surprisingly good), those synergies actually made it one of the most FUN cars I've ever driven. Hands down. My next car? An Elise, baby!

  • @emmanuelperrina6105
    @emmanuelperrina6105 5 лет назад +129

    Actually, talking about what makes a car fun to drive, you missed the sound. Sound alone is 30-40% of the fun imho.

    • @emmanuelperrina6105
      @emmanuelperrina6105 5 лет назад +20

      Also an high revving engine is really fun, more fun than an engine with a lot of torque at low rpm

    • @code111japan
      @code111japan 5 лет назад +6

      @@emmanuelperrina6105 Actually they are both loads of fun, depending on the circumstance.

    • @QuakeGamerROTMG
      @QuakeGamerROTMG 5 лет назад +6

      A tractor wants lots of torque, I'm driving a sports car so let me rev that thing to 8,000+ and hear the engine really sing.
      No fun in pressing the go button and having the car just go immediately, give me something that makes me work for it.

    • @magnusshawn4698
      @magnusshawn4698 5 лет назад +2

      Agreed. I did a muffler delete and love the rumble and pops and burbles.

    • @mindofmyown333
      @mindofmyown333 5 лет назад

      My 1.4turbo Dart is pretty slow but it sounds amazing. I’ve never gotten sick of the sounds and driving feel. That’s what has made me fall in love with the car

  • @dobber43
    @dobber43 4 года назад +25

    I was waiting for him to say "you know what helps all of these fun metrics except power, TIRES"

    • @randomnobody660
      @randomnobody660 4 года назад +1

      or coilovers or sway bars, or really any other suspension components.
      these also usually cost much less than a bigger engine.

    • @SD-ir1vf
      @SD-ir1vf 4 года назад +3

      The car probably had tires on it.

    • @dobber43
      @dobber43 4 года назад

      @@randomnobody660 yeh but jason usually brings up the importance and improvements good tires can give any chance he can.

  • @QuickTrickTools
    @QuickTrickTools 5 лет назад +47

    Why is it that people forget about power to weight ratios so quickly?

    • @TheCgOrion
      @TheCgOrion 5 лет назад +13

      For a lot of them, they can't forget what they never learned.

    • @edumacted
      @edumacted 5 лет назад

      Kids

    • @Bartonovich52
      @Bartonovich52 5 лет назад +1

      It’s not power to weight ratio.
      They make a motorcycle with a 180 lb 420 HP helicopter engine.
      It goes 0-60 in about 9 seconds. 60-120 is better and it has an insane top speed.
      But as you can see, power to weight doesn’t correlate.
      What you want is the area under the distance time graph.

    • @Saif0412
      @Saif0412 5 лет назад +7

      @@Bartonovich52lol.
      Higher power to weight ratio means better performance, acceleration etc. We're not talking about helicopter engines.

    • @Saif0412
      @Saif0412 5 лет назад

      @@TheCgOrion True.

  • @christianloper9483
    @christianloper9483 4 года назад

    And this is why my plain 2007 Civic Coupe w/ manual trans is way fun to drive below 60mph. Curb weight is 2,700lbs, and although the 1.8L makes "only" 140 horsepower at 6,300rpm, torque peaks at 128lb.-ft. at 4,300rpm, with a redline of 6,800. The soft VTEC helps a little too. I can rip around country roads well below redline and take really tight turns. The FWD and 60/40 weight distribution make it a little nose-heavy, but it's very stable at any speed. Not to mention how comfortable it is and how engaging the cockpit design is. The steering seems tight and responsive, but I've never driven anything performance oriented. A fine example of clean, simple engineering, unlike the 5,100lb Porsche, as cool as it may be.

  • @EveKitty08
    @EveKitty08 5 лет назад +5

    Have to say I agree! Though on a big racetrack, there is nothing like having a lot of power. For a road legal vehicle though, weight is so much important.

  • @pocok5000
    @pocok5000 5 лет назад +117

    When someone figures out how to make lighter batteries, and we gonne see LIGHT electric cars, that's gonna be insane.

    • @decus9544
      @decus9544 4 года назад +8

      We'll be waiting a very long while I think before electric cars can even start to compete in terms of weight, while maintaining any meaningful range. The power density of batteries is just catastrophically awful at the moment meaning that while I have faith that they will improve a lot over the coming years, that they have a very, very long way to go. Luckily for electric cars they have instant torque though, so while the above is true and we should expect weights perhaps double that of petrol and diesel cars (depending again on how much range the cars are designed to achieve) their 0-60 acceleration will, and indeed for most part already are, superior... Just don't drive them on mountains, as otherwise you'll just be accelerating very rapidly towards a discharged battery and a call to roadside assistance (lifting mass costs energy, which batteries don't have enough of).

    • @Noooo23523
      @Noooo23523 4 года назад

      you cant make a battery as good as li ion thats not li ion and li ion is heavy to have big capacity

    • @supremebohnenstange4102
      @supremebohnenstange4102 4 года назад +2

      @@Noooo23523 some organic batteries are in development! But by electrochemical properties lithium is the best element we got!

    • @aydinlutmergp4885
      @aydinlutmergp4885 4 года назад +2

      Hopefully solid state batteries come to be widespread since they preform good but are smaller and lighter.

    • @asiudominick12
      @asiudominick12 4 года назад +2

      @@aydinlutmergp4885 solid state batteries are still In heavy development but have some amazing potential

  • @valentiner61
    @valentiner61 5 лет назад +5

    Forgot to point out that my MX-3 weighs only 2660 lbs, has near 50/50 front/rear ratio, passive steering rear end (which swaps over direct fit to the Protege's - - and those guys love to find them in the bone yard), good brakes, and very sporty steering.

  • @Viking2dk
    @Viking2dk 4 года назад +4

    Your fifth point is great. My classic Mini from 86 with 42 ponies is the most fun you could have in any car, because it's so tiny and nimble. A Veyron wouldn't be the same kind of fun, at all.

  • @onealmr
    @onealmr 5 лет назад +4

    I'm not the most edumicated person in the world, but you explain things to where I understand and enjoy your videos.

  • @Creeperboy099
    @Creeperboy099 5 лет назад +12

    I always tell my friends that I would prefer handling over speed when it comes to cars
    Sure, I like a decent amount of speed, but what I find more fun is being able to swiftly and smoothly maneuver through curvy roads

    • @mrelectron6220
      @mrelectron6220 5 лет назад +1

      Fun until you come whipping around one of those curves that you can't see far enough around and find a car stopped dead in the road or a tree laying across it.

    • @Shintsu2
      @Shintsu2 5 лет назад

      And where per chance do you get to use that handling? Are you being a tōge driver and riding on the wrong side of the road around windy roads? I'm really tired of hearing about handling, because unlike power which just makes you go faster in a straight line, handling is used by going around corners quickly. If you're going around corners quickly, you're being way more dangerous than someone going fast in a straight line.

    • @royaltyallen1162
      @royaltyallen1162 5 лет назад +2

      @@Shintsu2 That's the most narcissistic thing I've ever read...

    • @disputeone
      @disputeone 5 лет назад +1

      @@Shintsu2
      Yeah man mountain roads

    • @Creeperboy099
      @Creeperboy099 5 лет назад +1

      Shintsu2 yes indeed, I would like to be a touge driver.

  • @DIYAudioGuy
    @DIYAudioGuy 5 лет назад +4

    9:37 he is doing calculus and has explained it in such a way that it makes sense to everybody.

  • @waynekempton7160
    @waynekempton7160 3 года назад

    Preach it, brother! When I was a teenager in the 1960's, I was all about horsepower. It was, after all, those days of muscle cars. My T-bird was a heavy beast with a V8 engine bored out to 406 cu. in. and had "dual quads" (two four barrel carburetors). One ride in a little old 47 hp Bugeye Sprite made me forget about hp and become a sports car guy forever. Many sports cars over the decades since, including a 1990 Mazda MX-5 NA1 that we drove for 20 joyous years and our current ND2 roadster. Our objective of fun has been consistently met over the years of owning light weight low hp sports cars. (I posted your video on a Miata Club FB page.)

  • @noceilingsmotorsports
    @noceilingsmotorsports 5 лет назад +18

    This manz just roasted every big car youtubers whole career😂

    • @jayg3069
      @jayg3069 5 лет назад +1

      JDM HAWTBOI .. as a challenger owner i felt that😂😭

    • @jaydunbar7538
      @jaydunbar7538 5 лет назад +1

      It all comes down to power to weight ratio, a good ratio will be fun to drive. After that it's all up to the budget, don't forget he also pointed out that many super cars are actually heavy.

    • @noceilingsmotorsports
      @noceilingsmotorsports 5 лет назад

      Jay Dunbar i meant big as popular😂

    • @noceilingsmotorsports
      @noceilingsmotorsports 5 лет назад

      Jay G i meant big as in popular not big as in weight💀 you can always remove the rear seats and gut that thang tho🤷🏾‍♂️💯💯

  • @issanesheiwat1396
    @issanesheiwat1396 5 лет назад +10

    This is exactly why my older fox body is so much more fun... so much torque in the low end that the response is great

    • @petebribble4651
      @petebribble4651 5 лет назад +1

      Agree. I owned an '88 Fox body GT(225HP) and a '97 SVT Cobra (315HP). The Fox body 5.0L felt faster.

    • @Texarmageddon
      @Texarmageddon 5 лет назад +1

      With absolutely no too end and a rear end/trans geared so tall it makes the low end feel like trash

  • @HazewinDog
    @HazewinDog 5 лет назад +18

    You forgot one big thing in regards to fun factor: Sound. Your S2000 beats the MX-5 there ;)

  • @AndrewShingange
    @AndrewShingange 5 месяцев назад

    Thank you for such an enlightening video as always, Jason.
    You're an absolute gem to the petrol head community!!

  • @jasonwheeler8996
    @jasonwheeler8996 4 года назад +80

    I’d still take the GT 500 over a Tesla.

    • @justanmr2973
      @justanmr2973 4 года назад +6

      And I'd take MR2 over a Tesla

    • @archygrey9093
      @archygrey9093 3 года назад +1

      Take the Tesla, then sell it and buy two GTs.

    • @leeengelsman6356
      @leeengelsman6356 3 года назад +1

      Makes better noises that's for sure.

  • @matthewdepaul6183
    @matthewdepaul6183 5 лет назад +12

    Precisely why I bought a Fiesta ST. Who doesn't like a party on four wheels?

    • @hectorandem2944
      @hectorandem2944 5 лет назад

      😤😤😤

    • @nobbynobbynoob
      @nobbynobbynoob 5 лет назад

      That's all the car you ever need really, unless you have a family or want to carry tons of stuff. (Disclaimer: I own a Fiesta ST as well.)

  • @curtislitchfield1378
    @curtislitchfield1378 5 лет назад +44

    as Mr. Regular said.
    "Slow car fast is better than fast car fast."

    • @Bartonovich52
      @Bartonovich52 5 лет назад +11

      As long as it’s *_BROWN!!_*

    • @saulespino2510
      @saulespino2510 5 лет назад

      @@Bartonovich52 why brown? why that color?

    • @CannibalSoggoth
      @CannibalSoggoth 5 лет назад +2

      @@saulespino2510 you must be new 'round here

  • @PopsRacer61
    @PopsRacer61 3 года назад

    ..this might be the best video you've made so far ! Probably bcs I'm a current MAZDA3 AWD NONTURBO owner, and I absolutely love the car. I'm a LEXUS LS460, TOYOTA RAV4, and 2010 COBALT SS owner also. I have a sneaky suspension, if I go test drive the MX5... I will become an owner. I tried to explain the same thing about HP/ TORQUE to my neighbor who thinks you need 1, 000 HP in a 55 mph speed zone. I showed him this video and he now thinks about it a little more rationally.

  • @hakimzah
    @hakimzah 4 года назад +8

    3:53 "..true constraints like..life.."
    That's really hits something and brings me back to reality lol

    • @EdgarC701
      @EdgarC701 4 года назад

      but did he mean living or just living with the massive consequences of losing your license/car/sums of money etc lol

    • @kencur9690
      @kencur9690 4 года назад +1

      @@EdgarC701 he meant traffic, red zones, school zones, your boss calling you and you pretending to be sick, remembering that you have to pick up Aunt Magda, realizing you’re driving without your specs on which accounts for the blur you previously thought was caused by the crazy record-breaking speeds you were driving at, you know... life.

  • @honkhonkler7732
    @honkhonkler7732 4 года назад +4

    I think 200hp is honestly adequate for most vehicles. It's crazy so many soccer moms have 300HP crossovers only to do 10 under on the freeway. My old Ford Bronco has a lazy 351 V8 that only makes 210 HP and it doesn't feel that slow compared to my buddy's F-150 with a 4.2 liter V6 making 200 HP which feels like a total dog. The V8 has useable low end grunt that the V6 can't match.

    • @MJ-uk6lu
      @MJ-uk6lu Год назад

      If we speak about most cars, then 200 is excessive. 100 is totally fine to pop into highway with ramp without flooring it. And if you are fine with flooring and keeping it in power range, then you can go even lower.

  • @dan725
    @dan725 5 лет назад +25

    Extremely informative. I LOVE this channel. Channels like this make us engineers look sexy. My wife loves it whenever I explain sonars and oceanography (my job).. just because she says my demeanor changes. She says you have that same thing. Thank you for making engineers look AWESOME. BTW the Miata hardtop looks absolutely stunning. Did I just decide my next car??

    • @t8365
      @t8365 5 лет назад +3

      Damn right it sexy.... this is why I'm in love with mr EE.🤤😍😅.

  • @ronroberts8036
    @ronroberts8036 Год назад

    Amen Brother! My favorite car was a 73 Karmann Ghia with a Type 4 engine (think Porche 914), bored and stroked to 2270 CC. Just over 1800 lbs. 0-60 and especially 50-70 was absolute perfection on the satisfimeter.

  • @alien-vx2bj
    @alien-vx2bj 5 лет назад +154

    me : watches this video
    also me : own a peugeot1007 1,4 petrol , 75 horsepower.
    also me : race from traffic light against a van
    me : loses race :(

    • @dezkightz
      @dezkightz 5 лет назад +2

      Willy Du Oof.

    • @demonchild8452
      @demonchild8452 5 лет назад +1

      LOL

    • @paolorocchi7151
      @paolorocchi7151 5 лет назад +9

      Plot twist: van was a diesel

    • @77thTrombone
      @77thTrombone 5 лет назад +4

      Any honest commentor here will admit that you got your Peugeot under the same real world constraints that the rest of us operate under, and there's little or no hope of getting even a reasonably priced Miata (or any thing else that's vaguely sporty) until the kids are out of school, but by that time we'll be worrying about retirement...

    • @alien-vx2bj
      @alien-vx2bj 5 лет назад +11

      @@77thTrombone im too ugly to have kids.

  • @334trax2
    @334trax2 3 года назад +3

    100% This means so much more after doing 4 track weekends. I came to this conclusion myself. Cost of consumables, agility etc. The problem with the miata is you need aftermarket suspension from the get go to get rid of the body roll.

  • @duckmcf
    @duckmcf 5 лет назад +43

    Torque, torque, torque, that’s all he ever does...

    • @GordonLoJ
      @GordonLoJ 5 лет назад

      Torque defines acceleration. That’s all you need in daily life driving.

  • @Homemus
    @Homemus 4 года назад +1

    You're absolutely right, I totally support your point of view concerning the key message. I've driven a lot of cars in the last decade as a professional (on the famous Autobahnen) - and it's not always been the so-called sports cars that've made the most fun. Actually, building a sports car that's got 2,3+ t (5.100+ lbs) of curb weight and also is a SUV isn't a sports car to me; doesn't make any sense at all. BUT - there certainly IS a relation between weight and horsepower and torque that's quite amusing; especially if the power delivery isn't thrown out by turbochargers rather than superchargers or a big displacement because of the immediate low-end torque. That's one of the reasons I'd prefer a modern American muscle car/sports coupe over a comparable German/European equivalent. And you've also got to admit it's undeniably a ton of pleasure to experience such a "V8-gasm".

  • @ajitnairk010
    @ajitnairk010 4 года назад +7

    This guy can talk non stop from san fransisco to new york without a single break. Period 🔴

  • @Farkasg2000
    @Farkasg2000 5 лет назад +4

    In my opinion with a single number you can measure fun: slalom time in wet surface. It encompasses all involved.

    • @toad3222
      @toad3222 5 лет назад

      Without a doubt

  • @ShiaLaBluff
    @ShiaLaBluff 5 лет назад +17

    When you're German, the Taycan is pronounced perfectly fine. It's pronounced like that to go 260 on the AUTOBAHN.

    • @Amunium
      @Amunium 5 лет назад +8

      Yeah, why is Jason surprised that a German car isn't supposed to be pronounced based on English language rules?

  • @GregSr
    @GregSr 5 лет назад

    Excellent video. Years ago I read a book called "All Corvettes are Red". In it, the chief engineer (Dave Hill?) talks about the benefits of weight reduction. He points out from an engineering perspective that the cost of reducing the weight roughly equals the cost of increasing horsepower. But, the weight reduction brings more benefits: fuel economy, cornering, braking, etc. Higher horsepower does the opposite and the car becomes heavier to support the higher power.