I Have SET OVER SET In A $309,700 Pot!
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- Опубликовано: 4 дек 2017
- Jason Koon is one of the best high stakes players around, and today we're going to take a look at this massive pot that he and I fought for on Poker After Dark. It's a classic set over set situation, where both players are pretty sure they've got the best of it. But when this much money is on the line, sometimes it's hard to shake the feeling that you might be stepping into a trap.
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Hi Doug! Dude play me heads up
Probably should do 28 x 500$ giveaways to share the love, instead of 1 winner..ppl just love better odds too, Im in btw ;)
Doug Polk Poker No one ever mentions the (very unlikely) possibility of 97ss as one of the possible hands you'd lose to and which would also pretty much be a) never folding in this situation and, b) Koon is going to possibly play it the same way from pre-flop?
he did mention it bro
I absolve you of your blasphemy my son.
"Most people have a 'if you got me, you got me' approach, but some really great players may be able to lay this one down." *Koon proceeds to lay this one down.* That is some classy commentary, man.
yeah Koon is great player thats why
that awkward moment when you build a reputation for overbluffing and people still fold boats to you when you have it.
Even with that weak action in the flop...
That awkward moment when you flop set over set and forget to mention in the title that you only netted 70BB after your opponent over bet the river
That's kind of what I was saying, if JK had a channel he should do a video about how he owned this spot
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after they bet 54K on the river themselves.
That was great to see that interaction when Jakoon bumped his head on your shoulder. That was a good thing for you to do and tell him, you could tell his stress immediately dissipated.
Wow, I had to watch it like seven times to see what you were talking about and you are exactly right. Good eye, that was a great show of respect and a gargantuan lay down
Respect to Koon. What a fold...
Yeah that was amazing. But a for a $200k bet you'd better be sure you're ahead.
@@koslim Til you don't bet a fullhouse on the river. You'll never play these stakes so please stay quiet
@@koslim you mean that river bet was perfect. The raise was very stupied . Jason koon Lost minimum and that river bet was so Good you don't understand.
@@koslim Well he must have some fold equity since he did fold. I think that the small overbet on the river gave him the info he needed to be able to fold. As you said, he gave the impression that he would call anything on the river considering that "stupid overbet size" in that perticullar situation ... and it does dramatically decrease the chance of being bluffed or raised by any kind of 9. That river bet gave him the option to fold quite accurately on the river. The reality is that à river bet of 30k on the river to get raised to 90k-100k by Doug would make it impossible to fold.
its was a very good fold yes, amazong? no. with bottom full this is a bet fold spot. he polarized himself to force any trips into a bad spot, same time its really hard to bluff against that. so a reraise there almost always has you beat.
i agree with polk that A9 would be a much better call than 33, however i disagree on that clear value raise with 77.
while there not many suited combos out there, still more than half of your opponents valuerange ahs you beat.
your opponent need specifically 33, A9s, 10-9s, J9s and maybe Q9s to call you here, everything else is either air or has you beat.
so 77s on that baord are actually kinda dicy, and more of a very thin value raise. polarizing that much will fold out
often 33, 9-10, adn q9. i think A9 is always a call with not no 93s combos only only a few 97s/k9s combos out there
so he target A9 specifically if we consider our opponent can now fold the weaker ones.
bluff catching isnt really that apealing as played, with that checkraise on the turn koon basically says he has a fullhouse or A9 at a minimum. with that said bluffing should be much less frequent, so bluffcatching even less.
Everything about that hand (both players and the analysis) was beautiful
Doug, some minor feedback for you: I think it would be better/more suspenseful if you omit the size of the pot in the title? I was clearly interested in seeing what develops throughout this hand but knew Koon was folding on the river after seeing there was $309k in the pot after your river jam. I get the idea that listing the actual size of the pot probably gets you more clicks/views so if that's your priority then I understand.
Maybe instead title it: I have SET OVER SET in a massive six figure pot! (or something similar).
Adam agree with you.
I agree as well. It isn't a huge annoyance, but it does give away what the action is.
He already said that he does that because in the internet world you need the click bait but maybe he should consider exaggerating. Call it a $403,000 pot, and when the fold happens we can all be "da fuk?" :)
Agree. Closest thing to a spoiler
Adam yeah agree. Knowing the outcome is boring
Not only are the poker hands so well synchronized that they both constitute full houses, but also the physical hands playing poker became quantum entangled at 5:18
That's pretty amazing... almost looks deliberate
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that read
lol doug such a live fish
Haha brilliant!
Hi Doug Polk Poker. One of the better videos. Great thinking and analysis, very in depth and I enjoyed the manners of telling Koon your hand at the end and the "there are some people I would lie to but not Koon".
Doug loves the game of poker and the competition. The money is just to keep score. Classy player who is a credit to the game we love.
Love the Neeme cameo.
How great is that???...
Great fold by Mr. Koon. He really has been world class for a long while though.
True he doesn't beat many, if any hands Doug shoves for value there, it's still astonishing to see how high level these guys really are. Great hand.
Good fold for sure... Not many players fold a boat vs Doug. That said, the king on the river (and the fact that he (Koon) overbet the river) makes a fold a *little* easier because if Doug had Kings, he would have played this the exact same way and AA or A9s would just fold or flat to an overbet... Although, it would be interesting to see if Koon could still get away if the river was a 2 (or the equivalent). For Koon to get away then, he has to put him on (almost) exactly 77.
Good fold
It's an easy fold
@@drewf8619 I agree. Good fold, but the river overbet was the best play on JK's part. If someone bets over the top of it they have you beat 99% of the time. The overbet saved him a lot of money by removing any real chance of Doug polarizing at the end.
Against nit thats easy fold(not so easy when u have that shit on your hand fr😂) but against Doug its so hard to fold when dude jammin every other river💯😂
Love the in depth analysis regarding card removal, available combos, and precise ranges!! Keep it up duuude!
17:47 That serious face though.....Seriously, though this was an excellent vid full of golden nuggets of information. thanks, Doug.
avid chess player, world of warcraft expert world cybergame tournament damn doug you must have hit so much gash back then
Oh Douglas
You should see his leather jacket, the man clearly slayed!
Warcraft 3, not World of Warcraft
Good stuff in this video. Thank you Doug for all you do for us!!!
I’ve been away from poker for a few years but after watching a few dozen of your videos I think I’m gonna start playing again. You’re a great speaker communicator and content creator.
Set over set? Favorable situation.
nice the plugin after that :-)
Best graphics I've seen on the hand info- very clear on what's going on
I think you need to work on your game face. It doesn't give much away, but it looks like you're trying to take a particularly difficult shit, sort of a mixture of pain and concentration.
Looool😂😂😭
Alot of time I listen to you analyze hands I think go on and on and kinda over a analyze the hands and its hard to keep listening but I do respect you and appreciate all your wisdom.
"...some really great players MIGHT be able to lay this one down." Classy.
Very familiar with card removal but the spade talk with the K 9 kind of blew my mind a little... definitely wouldn't have thought of that being the only suited K 9 available
Yes, that insight blew me the F away....
word
jes if there is only a bb k9o is myby in but (ev not against doug) but against bb and straddle this handbecome a clear fold
I know, right? I consider myself to be a really good amateur that accounts for card removal, but I never would have made that connection. The more you know...
always love the Rounders reference
Cue 3's & 7's by Queens of the Stone Age
great song
I'm a simple man I see a give away
I enter
I don't win
That's because you're a simple man,
On a seriouse note how do get notified if I win , (Im only subscribed to hes youtube channel but I think that counnts as one entry for the giveaway) , does he upload a video on youtube selecting the winner or winners or how does he do it ?
EdI de - he typically announces on Facebook
I don't use facebook so i guess I cant win then, or even if I win I wont know about it , thanks anyway.
I'm a simple man
I'm a single man
Build the pot! Love it, great analysis, always entertaining. I've seen you play many times, you're truly a class act at the table and that's sometimes nearly impossible to be. Glad to see you win a nice pot.
I enjoy the comme tary about what is going through Dougs Head during a hand. I myself may have bet 7-8k on the turn card but after listening to tour thoughts will interract that in my own game thanks
Great river analysis. By far the most interesting street for this hand. Great fold most would snap. Blockers discussion was very interesting .
Sick fold. Respect.
"I don't even fold my laundry" - Doug Polk, 2017
Holy shit thats an insane fold, especially because Jason has to know your 100% capable of bluff-raising river there.
3:01 "Rather Favorable" goes to Andrew and his bs clothing line HAHAHA Doug is so funny I swear this guy would've been great at anything..
@6:30 "Polk's not gonna pull plug on his ventilator yet.." HAHAHAHAH
5:50. Awesome synchronized check shuffling!
Totally agree with most parts of the video. Only questions I have are about the size of the river reraise and Koon`s calling range for that price. Blocking bluffs with (J9s)/T9s/98s, the J being the least harmful, feels to -noobish- me about as ugly than not blocking K9s/97s ( 3 combos, after all!) with 33 ; - A9s, and the highly unlikely Q9s, is obv a very clear call. As basically all of J9s/T9s/98s/33 have a rather difficult time for the price, while we represent a pretty nutted range (we are after all at the very bottom end of our thin-value-squeezing here) , I could see a slightly smaller bet showing more benefit in the long term.
Hey Doug! On the topic of your comment on the end about "great players might be able to fold this spot", Ike folded a fullhouse vs Maria in the shark cage last year if I'm not mistaken! Would be really cool to see you playing a heads up hand (or even a heads up no limit game...!) against him! Love ur vids, keep up the great work! :)
Notification peeps represent. Thanks for Poker Hands, your generosity, and everything you do for poker. Respect, Doug.
Yes! Chess After Dark! Who's with me?
Wait...no one?
Got to love the nod to Neeme!
Another great vid! Keep up the good work and let me know if there is going to be another giveaway!
Great analysis on the turn! You can also min raise the turn with J4 off and call s jam...
Wow what a fold! I want to see Berkey and Polk play heads up!
Nice shout out to Neeme. You should show up at one of his meet up games at the Westgate. You might have fun.
Doug always has the deepest stack at the table lol love it
WOW. I did not see this hand when it originally aired, so I didn't know what the result was -- AWESOME laydown from Koon. God, he's become such a good poker player.
The oversized bet lead on the river by Jason made it much easier to lay it down when he got raised since his range is so polarized. If he only bet half pot, Doug could see that at as a sign of weakness and Jason could justify a call since Doug may be making a move. But an overbet means that if Doug reraises he is basically never bluffing and of course he wouldn't do it unless he was full.
I think its truly amazing koon didn't get stacked here, but I appreciate doug played it this way for balance overall. I think that's an important concept, this is like the best possible situation almost.
Doug I'm interested why your opinion on which sets should be raises is almost the complete opposite from some solvers? piosolver for example tends to use top set as a raise much more often than anything else, and it seems to slow play middle set more
How have I missed this video. THIS IS FUNNY AND GENIUS
Classy move to not revel in the moment of taking down the pot @Doug Polk Poker!
I've seen some that take joy in rubbing it in. You, my sir, are a classy card player!
P.S. I'd love to play you sometime, but I don't have the money 😂
I can't believe he folded... what a smart move. I would have preferred seeing an instant ALL-IN from Koon at the river acting like he would have the strongest hand possible. ~that would have been even more awesome!
Haha that bit with Neeme made me lol
That's actually really interesting that there's only one K9 suited left, hadn't thought of that
Well played Doug and thought threw commentary.. I thought the river raise for value was way to big though.
wow nice hand and nice laydown! Makes me wonder though if you made river raise to like 149k or 95k to call if it would open up a wider range of calling hands like mabye even A9 or better, the K on the river he might not of even repop it with k9 cause the smaller raise would make him think you might have quads for value or maybe even kks full
Loved the tip of the cap to Neeme (literally) in the vid. Favorable.
Ooh the recent memories when I got stacked a month ago in a 1-2 game!
I had 33 against a very undervalued AA on a 223AQ board. Still feel the pain.
Doug, can you please explain the combos of hands you were talking about in most of the videos.
hi i got a question how many semiblufs has Jkoon in turn ... not to much IMO ... how you balance that ?¡?
... its necessesary balance that?¡?
Well played from you both there. Great hand to watch. I've only been able to fold 2 full houses in my life, both were easy folds though, not like this fold. I had 3 jacks and a queen paired on the river, my opponent was a nit who never bet the river unless they had it, so I dumped my Jacks full(they then showed a queen for a higher queens full). Another I had hit a set of 9's and the board paired on the end(2 kings) with a queen also on the board, and again, nit player who never raised, unless they had the nuts or second nuts. Knew they had king queen and threw the cards away in an instant. 😂😂
Nice shout out to Andrew. Well done.
Great Lay down.
Sick table, nice laydown.
I really like your bet size on the turn and logic behind it. I also perfer just calling the raise since your in position. Out of position i'd say reraise and bomb the river. King was a lttle scary though. He could have taken that line with kings I suppose, although the early action pretty much reads that he doesn't have Kings because I doubt he doesn't raise preflop and check the flop on that board unless he's running some kind of trap or simply balancing his range. But yeah smash the river either way IMO.
Andrew Neeme knows what's up.
but he wouldn't be able to fold as JaKoon did
stupid question: After Koon check raised on the turn, in his position would have not been maybe more coherent to check river?
in case Polk was bluffing?
Or in his mind you risk to loose too many value from hand that might check behind since you just called pre flop?
if someone more advance than me could clarify this would be amazing for me thanks a lot in advance
Sick lay down by Koon, though I'm sure he too thought of what hands he doesn't block.
Hey Doug! Great video! Wasn´t that a spot to mini-raise the river?
I respect this fold though. I think he can put Doug on pretty much 77s, or an out of character huge-balls bluff.. perhaps KK, but most likely 77. The way the play went I think he showed some sense and discipline to make the fold in any case with a boat. It's one of those moments when you have to think, the board is paired, is this raise real? -- FML-FOLD.
Well done both. Doug I don't mind your raise-size (if it's a shove sorry I don't have sound on).
Thanks for the hand broseph!
Doug, do we have any bluffs here at the river? Im not sure what bluffs we call OTT and then raise OTR or are we raising a hand that can't win if we call? great video, the A9 call over the boat with 33 is a great analysis, tyvm
he named 73s at the end of the analysis. that's like half a combo though considering 73s is mostly gonna be a check or bet-fold on the turn. I think K7s works really well too but again that's a marginal turn bet-call
I really can't think of many combos. K7s and 73s are the only combos I can think of. Normally I'd say your weaker trips, but weak trips block straight cards (69, 89, T9, J9) and Q9+ is probably too profitable just calling since your opponent has all of those hands. A7s maybe?
What about TT, it blocks possible bluffcathers T9 combos.
When you're bluffing, you want to not have cards you want your opponent to have.
TT blocks T8 and JT, both hands you'd like your opponent to have. On this board any 6, 8, T or J is a bad card to have since it blocks the most likely bluff hands from your opponent (straight draws). Since it's hard to get to this river without those cards in your hand yourself, unless you have a monster, it's hard to have too many bluffs.
Ok then what about 1 combo of AA with ace of heart and Ace of spade. Blocking A9s. It is better bluffcatcher i guess, just trying to thing about bluffs. But if i thing about good bluffs if we dont have ones the bluffs can make propably better profit if he is overfolding there.
Wow I must actually be learning something... I was calculating card removal on the turn before Doug even mentioned it.
I'm sure I'd still find a way to go broke though.
Did you raise him all in on the river? Or were stack sizes listed incorrectly? Don't you think a smaller raise would be better OTR to 130k seeing as there is not too many worse hands you can get value from ? would you bluff any hands with this line other than maybe 73s?
"Doug, you're not the guy to fold full houses to, man". @18:00 love the looks on the other players faces as if "Did Koon just say what I think he said???"
Great video! Thanks for this analysis and Lesson. If you ever Update this Video, please ensure you get Koon's perspective and additional comments...I'm using my One Time! World Class Fold!
Love the shout out to Nemee! Thanks Doug.
DID HE FOLD?? OMG!!!! No human could do that... I used to play him on midstakes like2y ago... Now hes def one of the toppest players in the world... And I say that as a former pro player. big bow for Koon
Amazing analysis but a larger bet on the flop gets way more of his chips if not all. I get the theory though for the small sizing, thx.
You both played it great. What a laydown by J'Koon though, especially as you have history and he knows you can be a sicko.
This video conveyed so much information I had to sign up for masterclass.
Great player to make a lay down like that I’m definitely more of if you got me you got me wit sets.
Tip of the cap to Neeme. Awesome.
That was the Polk video ever... my head is spinning
14:20 try to stack 33 or 77? So many questions. What are the odds that my opponent has the fifth seven in his hand? How does he get stacked when he calls? Is it because he has a fouled hand, meaning that sometimes one of his sevens is also the seven of hearts, and he forfeits the pot?
But wouldn't you turn trips into a bluff occasionally in this spot? Would unblocking your straight-draw cards be best?
Doug, how did you get started in poker and how did you build your bank roll? tournaments or casino grind
Hey Doug,
That's cool that you used to play chess, I currently play myself. What was your peak rating while you were active?
Reminds me of Rounders. He was thinking "Here's the beauty of this game I flopped a set of three's and I want to keep him in the hand."
5:15 both players playing with their chips in sync
hey doug can you give me some advice where to learn plo cash and nl tournaments on an online training site?
That was an amazing fold. great read to know when you are beat
Dougie love the breakdown. Fish dont like when you talk about card removal bc its too high level. I love the logic and sizing. Bad reg forever homie
I learned something today. Thanks Doug. P.S. sick fold by JCOON
Atleast he felt better after laying it down the comfort of knowing he was beat I mean the way Polk played he could have figured he didn’t have the 9 didn’t have 9 3 from his perspective or 9 7. You made it a little easier for him jamming he couldn’t call that much
Really thought Dougs rep would get him paid there
ESP when he says your not the guy to fold full houses too but really world class fold by Koon
Could you ever turn trips into a bluff here if he’s bet folding full houses or should that just always be a call?
love the breakdown analytics... yea,, its easier to wrap your head around a fold, and not really look at the board as a full house, but, what do you beat with what Doug is repping here..i have to wonder if A9s was in his thought process, as that was a serious possible hand for Doug.. K9.. i dont think he ( doug) bets as big, and i DO think Doug over bet.. i think he raises to $115K.. he gets a call.. maybe a reshove but at least a call, thinking AK was trying a semi bluff, or A9s.. etc.. just a thought..
Massive fan of the Rounders reference 😂
it's ya boy douggy fresh polker here.
Love ya ;)
I think it’s a pretty straightforward fold in that spot. Can you tell us why you didn’t make your bet look more like a bluff? Because at least in my opinion that Bet looked like you were betting for value and what hands Bet for value on that board? Now I could be wrong here but it seems like no matter what considering that line that you took he should always fold pocket 3s
Very, very good fold !!! It's just a good example for any poker player
"Oh god! I just realised i have to mention this" its a cut vid haha
Strong Double Chin action from Polk probably the reason for the fold on the river by Koon