TRAIN DRIVER'S VIEW: Into the snow we go

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  • Опубликовано: 6 янв 2025

Комментарии • 194

  • @TheRorymcloughlin
    @TheRorymcloughlin 7 лет назад +61

    Love it, when the stress of the world gets too much, sit back and watch these videos, healing at its best!

  • @iantaf5559
    @iantaf5559 7 лет назад +21

    How lovely to have another journey from our Princess Train Driver in her magical kingdom of snow!!😃

  • @dmitrilebedev8635
    @dmitrilebedev8635 7 лет назад +33

    Norway railways should hire you to do every route they have, so that the world enjoy the beautiful views.

    • @Ahuxley68
      @Ahuxley68 5 лет назад

      Yes! I ´d loved to see the Rauma-line filmed by HCG. I have taken it may times and it is wonderful

  • @TomTalley
    @TomTalley 7 лет назад +16

    Thank you so much for taking us along. My wife and I have watched all of them. She likes the ones with spring and lots of color, I kind of like the snow and storms...All of them are great...Thank you.

  • @pererikakerjordet1735
    @pererikakerjordet1735 7 лет назад +17

    As always: The best train-videos on the net!

  • @mikeworth6404
    @mikeworth6404 7 лет назад +2

    Just enough snow to accent the ruggedness of the mountains and Norway is rocking the Olympics. I was going to ask if the fjord at Flam ever froze over but I saw calm water at the very end. Thanks for sharing young lady!!

  • @robertdean1011
    @robertdean1011 5 лет назад +4

    These videos are stunning. Riding this train is on my bucket list now. Thanks for bringing wonder to the world!

  • @adriancherrill8479
    @adriancherrill8479 7 лет назад +4

    Well that's Norwegian railways in winter added to my bucket list of things to do. What brilliant videos, and stunning scenery. Thanks HGC :)

  • @slycat1939
    @slycat1939 7 лет назад +2

    As always you have again you have amazed me with such beautiful scenery. Every day now I look for your videos. I am addicted to the beauty of these mountains and all there splendor. If I was able too I wold travel to see them first hand. But I am thankful you post these for all of who can't travel to see this beauty. Thank you for sharing with us your travels. Safe travels ahead and god bless.

  • @greghilton7797
    @greghilton7797 6 лет назад +2

    What a spectacular winter wonderland as you keep the train on its tippy toes slowly down the mountain. Just magical viewing and excellent driving. I send email links of these to all my friends. Thank you for another fantastic video. Cheers

    • @RailCowGirl
      @RailCowGirl  6 лет назад

      Thank YOU for sharing the love!🙏❤️

  • @rhinoharris
    @rhinoharris 7 лет назад +7

    Love these journeys through the snow, so relaxing.

  • @TheKatyQ
    @TheKatyQ 6 лет назад +3

    Another great video! I love the winter rides best. Thank you!!

  • @williamradford9631
    @williamradford9631 5 лет назад +1

    Awesome snowy footage, single track route somewhere in Norway, lovely landscape and a labyrinth of tunnels and snow sheds

  • @Ambience
    @Ambience 7 лет назад +6

    Oh yeah! Another great snowy train ride!! 👍🏼

  • @123mintjelly
    @123mintjelly 7 лет назад +1

    So beautiful - I can see why it attracts so many tourists

    • @RailCowGirl
      @RailCowGirl  7 лет назад

      Indeed. Incredible conditions for free-riders these days too :)

  • @ktpinnacle
    @ktpinnacle 7 лет назад +1

    Good to see that your lights are still up at the station in Flåm!

  • @feeberizer
    @feeberizer 4 года назад +2

    The high temp was 104°F (40°C) a couple days ago where I live. Watching this snowy train ride while the swamp cooler is running is a nice diversion from the heat...

  • @DavidD-qr2vn
    @DavidD-qr2vn 7 лет назад +4

    Love your videos, especially with the snow. It is so beautiful and peaceful looking.

  • @Rex_Stuph
    @Rex_Stuph 7 лет назад +1

    My wife and I did this at the end of summer 2010. Definitely coming back in winter.

  • @fabiolutzbr
    @fabiolutzbr 7 лет назад +4

    I cant' get enough of these videos, thank you for making them!

  • @a.vandergaag5517
    @a.vandergaag5517 6 лет назад +2

    I've made this trip already a couple of times, however these were all in summer i.e. with rain or shine. Always wondered how this would be in snowy winter, so now i know!! :) Thanks very very much!!

  • @carlpeters6675
    @carlpeters6675 4 года назад

    This is my favorite video of the train driver's view inside of tunnel after tunnel. After tunnel.

    • @RailCowGirl
      @RailCowGirl  4 года назад

      Haha, I'm glad you like the tunnels ;) Thanks a lot for watching!

  • @wilettamiller9387
    @wilettamiller9387 6 лет назад +2

    Absolutely stunning

  • @roselyly6085
    @roselyly6085 7 лет назад +2

    Bonjour ....merci pour ce beau voyage

  • @nickweiserfolz
    @nickweiserfolz 6 лет назад +2

    I guess I´m beginning to repeat myself: Just beautyful, as always. Thank You for this one and all Your other videos I know. You really seem to be a very special and very engaged engine driver. I might tink You love Your job very very much, don´t You? And You let the rest of us a little bit be part of it. That´s great!

  • @landruatfestival
    @landruatfestival 6 лет назад +1

    These videos are so relaxing... I just noticed I was smiling while watching on my phone.

  • @4Peta20
    @4Peta20 7 лет назад +2

    Just stumbled across this video. My god, what amazing scenery!

  • @danielricardopacio3470
    @danielricardopacio3470 7 лет назад +1

    Hermosura total.

  • @esuohdica
    @esuohdica 6 лет назад +2

    I love these videos, thanks for doing them! Hello from a rainy UK!

  • @billseymour-jones3224
    @billseymour-jones3224 7 лет назад +1

    Yet again an absolutely wonderful trip down to Flåm. I never tire of travelling it with you. I travelled the line twice up from Flåm to Myrdal in the 1970s and it seems even more spectacular now.
    It would be wonderful if you could find a way of getting someone to take a video of Kjosfossen during a stop there, especialy at this time of the year, which you could include in a future run.

  • @daryllbradshaw8172
    @daryllbradshaw8172 7 лет назад +1

    Beautiful as ever. Thanks so much for sharing

  • @palantir135
    @palantir135 6 лет назад +1

    Another beautiful ride. I love train rides for as long as I can remember; my father worked at the Dutch railway (NS), that's why I think.

  • @muckingfentalkaren5592
    @muckingfentalkaren5592 7 лет назад +2

    How beautiful is that ice on the wall

  • @swarfrat311
    @swarfrat311 6 лет назад +2

    I love these relaxing snow videos! Thank you, HinduCowGirl for sharing your trip down the mountain to Flåm. I watched a video of your trip from Flåm up the hill. I am still amazed at the falls of ice on the rocks. Any one for a picnic at 19:12? The snow will keep your drinks cold! :=) Thanks for the wonderful video! (Funny thing about that -- all your videos are wonderful!!!!)

  • @wolframjahn2068
    @wolframjahn2068 7 лет назад +1

    Ohh! Again the TGV Challenge!
    TNX a lot!

    • @RailCowGirl
      @RailCowGirl  7 лет назад

      Hahaha! Thalys vs Flåm Line :p

  • @catherinebreitfeller669
    @catherinebreitfeller669 5 лет назад +2

    I love these videos / especially the snow ones 😊😊

    • @RailCowGirl
      @RailCowGirl  5 лет назад +1

      Then you have come to the right place ❤️ there will be more of the good stuff this winter ❄️

  • @polestar696
    @polestar696 7 лет назад +4

    Great video. Thanks for sharing.

  • @j.d.hutchens3561
    @j.d.hutchens3561 5 лет назад

    Just love the train rides in the snow.

  • @robertadams2857
    @robertadams2857 7 лет назад +1

    A great start to a Sunday. Maybe sometime throw in a still picture or two of the Flåm Valley view. That trip is on the bucket list. Good lights on this engine.

    • @RailCowGirl
      @RailCowGirl  7 лет назад +2

      Yeah, this engine had better lights, and I upped to iso 1200... much more grainy in the tunnels...
      I'm working on the trip the other way with some side views :D I totally need a second camera :p

    • @robertadams2857
      @robertadams2857 7 лет назад

      HinduCowGirl best of luck, Thank you

  • @bertpeijmen6960
    @bertpeijmen6960 7 лет назад +1

    Thank you so much, you just made my day. Again!

  • @Emma22808
    @Emma22808 7 лет назад +1

    my brother just told me about your channel. This is soooooo wonderful - thank you.

    • @RailCowGirl
      @RailCowGirl  7 лет назад

      You are awesome, and your brother is awesome for telling you ❤️❤️❤️

    • @Emma22808
      @Emma22808 7 лет назад

      now I have before me the wonder of watching all your videos! my brother has been on some of the routes your videos show and they are a real treat for him. thanks again.

  • @MoosePies
    @MoosePies 6 лет назад +1

    Completely enjoy all your videos Thank you for sharing the ride

  • @aussieintexas61
    @aussieintexas61 5 лет назад +1

    thank you for the journey, ive had a very bad day. this helps. ta.

  • @LINYTrains
    @LINYTrains 7 лет назад +1

    Spring is almost here. Please continue making videos as the snow melts. I imagine that stream at the bottom of the valley gets larger.

  • @hansquennet8357
    @hansquennet8357 7 лет назад +1

    Yet another spectacular video! Awesome!!!

  • @sigurdjohnson6617
    @sigurdjohnson6617 7 лет назад +1

    Another wonderful video. I’m traveling to Sweden on Tuesday and will be taking the train from Stockholm to Sundsvall. I know it won’t be quite as beautiful of course - but I’m looking forward to it. Once again - I don’t understand why someone dislikes your videos?? It doesn’t make sense to me. Watch and enjoy or just go read a book out something!

    • @RailCowGirl
      @RailCowGirl  7 лет назад +1

      It’ll be a ride of Swedish landscape passing by :D
      There are always someone who dislikes, would be nice if they left a comment on why they disliked it :)

  • @johnbrown6243
    @johnbrown6243 6 лет назад

    I like this new video, so as usually, thank you very much! And it's so nice you don't use overlays anymore, all info in the info box bellow video title absolutely enough and comfortable for everyone, I think. Waiting for next snow video:)

  • @sayedart3dmodels34
    @sayedart3dmodels34 7 лет назад +2

    Thank you very much ...All videos very nice

  • @xozyje
    @xozyje 6 лет назад +2

    très belle vidéo paysage magnifiques

  • @GregMcMahon1961
    @GregMcMahon1961 7 лет назад +1

    Gorgeous again, thank you!

  • @robertquick4214
    @robertquick4214 7 лет назад +2

    ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ We took this 😃 Enjoyable Flam train from Voss to 💥Flam in June 2016 with beautiful Colorful Norway scenery ! We were returning to our ship MsROTTERDAM - HollandAmerica after all day tour . Norway is Beautiful all year as your shared videos confirm throughout the whole year ! We admire you & Thank you for sharing your life’s journeys with us . Sincerely , Robert Quick Huntington Beach / Westminster CALIFORNIA ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

    • @RailCowGirl
      @RailCowGirl  7 лет назад

      Thank you so much :D

    • @billfitzpatrick6910
      @billfitzpatrick6910 7 лет назад

      We've been on several cruises, I think that Holland America is the best overall

  • @samaikens4816
    @samaikens4816 6 лет назад +3

    Getting pretty close to the edge on the side of that mountain....great video....I believe if I was driving I slow to about 20 mph so if there was a land slide or Avalanche I would get stop and not spill my train down over the Mountainside

  • @mathewrussell1533
    @mathewrussell1533 5 лет назад +1

    Watching this in the middle of a Queensland Australia winter at 12c and this is making me want to get a jumper. Wouldn't want to be the first train of the day. even after the plows go through i feel like the train would spend most of the time being a glorified snow plow.

  • @williamradford9631
    @williamradford9631 5 лет назад

    One awesome train driver's view/video to Flam in Norway

  • @joke30750
    @joke30750 7 лет назад +1

    Love this video' about the vieuw and the snow!

  • @mfredmoe
    @mfredmoe 7 лет назад +1

    Jeg reiste med Flåmsbana første gang i 1969 og siste gang i 2017.
    Den største opplevelsen var da jeg fikk bli med lokfører Ragnar Vidme på lokomotivet El.11.2098 opp med sovevogna til Myrdal, og ned igjen. Har også gått Flåmsdalen mange ganger, og var sannsyneligvis den aller siste som kom på toget på Kårdal og ble med ned til Flåm, dog ikke uten en sint konduktørs ville protester som sa det ikke var noe stopp der lenger.
    Jeg avfeiet det hele med et smil og ordene : Hvorfor stoppet du for meg da ?
    Flåmsbana er fantastisk, og det er filmene din også, som gleder folk langt utenfor Norge.
    Beste reklame for Flåmsbana som finnes. Tusen takk, HinduCowGirl :-)

  • @lylewatts6370
    @lylewatts6370 6 лет назад

    Very nice trip and looks like the weather here now but wait spring is here right!

  • @IGFET2288
    @IGFET2288 4 года назад

    Nicely done!

  • @Finse1605
    @Finse1605 7 лет назад +1

    Another great video. Thank you.

  • @checkersx3556
    @checkersx3556 7 лет назад +1

    I must ride this train someday, with the snow. Bucket list item.

  • @TheNightFlower
    @TheNightFlower 4 года назад +1

    Absolutely stunning views. What is the horn protocol? Do you have to toot at specific places?

  • @balmesh
    @balmesh 7 лет назад +5

    Cracking good video.

  • @leslikayolney7484
    @leslikayolney7484 5 лет назад +1

    Love this one!!!!❤️❤️❤️

  • @kazoosc
    @kazoosc 7 лет назад +2

    amazing scenery on this ride
    .. interesting variation in the structure of the tunnels/ shelters
    .. raw rock .. cement .. wood -- there were sections that looked like they had been built/rebuilt recently
    .. does an engine with plow run this line at times? that would be very cool to see, as well

    • @RailCowGirl
      @RailCowGirl  7 лет назад +1

      There is a rotary running between trains to keep the tracks open. :)

  • @Boodieman72
    @Boodieman72 7 лет назад +1

    Thank you, thank you.

  • @jpgsterbenz
    @jpgsterbenz 7 лет назад +1

    Anther great video!

  • @Kristina_Sundkvist_Sweden
    @Kristina_Sundkvist_Sweden 7 лет назад +2

    Great film as usually. But you should call it "Into the snow and ice" 👍👍👍👍👍

  • @stevewyman2822
    @stevewyman2822 5 лет назад

    ..absolutely Beautiful....

  • @van_valdis
    @van_valdis 7 лет назад +1

    Woohoo! Another one to check before sleep :)

  • @Knards
    @Knards 7 лет назад +1

    Norway is so stunningly beautiful. I hope you dont mind I take screen shots now and then to add to my computer background playlist

  • @ericscarburry8527
    @ericscarburry8527 5 лет назад +1

    I enjoyed this video

  • @fournierfrancois2343
    @fournierfrancois2343 6 лет назад +1

    Merci belle vidéo

  • @nebojsatomcic
    @nebojsatomcic 7 лет назад +1

    Great video as always. Regarding those ice curtains at 11:10 how did they formed (I guess that temperature was under 0C all the time?)

  • @billfitzpatrick6910
    @billfitzpatrick6910 7 лет назад +1

    50 shades of grey.....but mostly white. :-) We had so much rain today that it was the equivalent of 1.3 meters of snow. I'll take the rain thank you.

    • @RailCowGirl
      @RailCowGirl  7 лет назад

      Holy jebus!
      That is serious amounts of water too! Any flash-floods?

    • @billfitzpatrick6910
      @billfitzpatrick6910 7 лет назад +1

      A few here and there. What made it worse was that the ground is frozen so that the rain just ran right off. The street looked like a small raging stream. The big reservoirs level is 3 meters down. A lot of that water will stay there where it's needed. Temperatures all over the scale. Yesterday,18c today it is 5. That's normal for this time.

  • @risbo12
    @risbo12 3 года назад

    Best video👍🖐

  • @curtismuller
    @curtismuller 7 лет назад +1

    Very nice, thank you.

  • @owlcossie3763
    @owlcossie3763 7 лет назад +4

    Another 40 minutes of amazing views! How often oncoming trains meets at Berekvam station? I can see that second track is covered with snow.

    • @RailCowGirl
      @RailCowGirl  7 лет назад +3

      During the winter there is only one train running up and down.
      In the high season there are two trains, and they meet at Berekvam.
      The action there starts in April and through October. :)

    • @owlcossie3763
      @owlcossie3763 7 лет назад +2

      Thank you!

  • @57629589
    @57629589 6 лет назад

    Your tunnels remind me of old gold mine tunnels.

  • @xozyje
    @xozyje 7 лет назад +1

    vidéo aux images impressionnantes magnifiques

  • @michaeld5888
    @michaeld5888 2 года назад

    Interesting that you seem to approach these ice patches from the roof leaks in the tunnels very cautiously. Would an ice build up on a rail be a problem compared to snow? Spectacular views and surpassing Switzerland in many ways and that is saying something as we have travelled a lot there but not in winter which adds to the experience. Putting that little tunnel at the base of that overhanging cliff at 27 minutes must have been a very scary business for those involved!

  • @LouisDefaux
    @LouisDefaux 7 лет назад +2

    I like to watch the snow.

  • @hurnethehunter
    @hurnethehunter 7 лет назад +2

    Once again another great video. Is it possible to have a camera view from the back of the train as well. Would be interesting to see the view after the train has gone through the snow...

  • @jongodsell88
    @jongodsell88 7 лет назад +2

    As stunning as ever, but could we possibly has a trip going the other way as well please? I hope to visit this area in the next couple of years in the car, but in the summer of course! So that I can have the soft top down so that i can admire the view properly.

    • @jongodsell88
      @jongodsell88 7 лет назад

      OK thanks for that, I must have missed it.

  • @despierto198888
    @despierto198888 6 лет назад +1

    thanks

  • @foresterp.l3502
    @foresterp.l3502 7 лет назад +5

    Its allmost like an old black and white moovie. Did you ever get stuck in the snow, and how do you get help if you are stuck..Anyway..Again a Great trainride video.

  • @muckingfentalkaren5592
    @muckingfentalkaren5592 7 лет назад +1

    Also they must have nerves of steel to drive that train the drops are lovely but scary and the roads look scary to lol x

    • @RailCowGirl
      @RailCowGirl  7 лет назад

      It’s a nightmare! Haha! Just kidding :) it’s a very nice challenge with a great view.

  • @gerardacronin3095
    @gerardacronin3095 7 лет назад +2

    Thank you for posting these wonderful videos. I want to visit Norway now (and take your train!). I have some questions about the practicalities of driving a train.
    1. You made a very brief stop just after leaving Myrdal and picked up one passenger. How did you know he was safely on the train (and any passengers leaving were safely off) before leaving the station? Is there some signal that you receive? (It looks as though Norwegian passengers must be nimble!)
    2. What would you do if a large animal ran in front of your train? Or if a large branch had fallen on the track?
    3. In very steep territory, there is nothing between the track and the cliff face. I imagine a landslide or subsidence here would be catastrophic. How often does the railway monitor the stability of the cliffs? Do they often need reinforcement?

    • @RailCowGirl
      @RailCowGirl  7 лет назад +2

      1. There is a conductor on the train giving the departure signal, either visually with a green flag/light or by coms.
      2. Depends, you usually can’t do anything, but on the Flåm line the speed is low. Stopping would be the best thing to do, or follow the animal until it leaves the tracks. For more concrete obstacles STOP if you have the chance.
      3. Line is visited at night and sometimes during daytime. Drivers/engineers give feedback too when we go up and down. Selected areas are constantly monitored.

    • @gerardacronin3095
      @gerardacronin3095 7 лет назад +1

      HinduCowGirl Thank you for responding so quickly! I love trains!

  • @Jimbo-in-Thailand
    @Jimbo-in-Thailand 7 лет назад +3

    HinduCowGirl - Another wonderfully mesmerizing winter video of gorgeous Norway! I read the history of the Flåm line from your link and it's very interesting. So it is now a privately owned rail line and primarily for tourists? How much are ticket prices now? Thanks!

    • @RailCowGirl
      @RailCowGirl  7 лет назад +2

      The line it self is still owned by the government, but the operation of the train is by Flåm utvikling.
      The ticket prices now is 550kr for the roundtrip.

  • @tomwilson9398
    @tomwilson9398 7 лет назад +2

    "For mye av en god ting kan være fantastisk!"

  • @ducksinarow9272
    @ducksinarow9272 7 лет назад +2

    Better then ANY ride at Disneyland.....; )

  • @ronb7547
    @ronb7547 3 года назад

    Stunningly beautiful.
    Interesting that the GoPro (?) can record such low frequencies - shakes the walls in my room. I assume you are not increasing the bass in the edit.

    • @RailCowGirl
      @RailCowGirl  3 года назад

      The only sound edit done is removing communication with traffic controller etc :) so the gopro is able to record it :)

    • @ronb7547
      @ronb7547 3 года назад

      @@RailCowGirl Thank you for the reply and the info, and your stunning videos.

  • @Coolkeys2009
    @Coolkeys2009 7 лет назад +2

    Did this use mainly regenerative braking or dynamic braking whilst descending? If regenerative I wonder how much the generated energy was worth.

    • @RailCowGirl
      @RailCowGirl  7 лет назад +2

      Mostly dynamic. Delivered back to the catenary and feeding it’s own consumers

  • @peterp1158
    @peterp1158 6 лет назад

    I wish train driver's videos would show the train before it departs and after it arrives.

  • @DanaMackstormdog94
    @DanaMackstormdog94 7 лет назад +1

    Hope you haven't given up on the info of previous videos - they are very interesting! Thanks, Dana

    • @RailCowGirl
      @RailCowGirl  7 лет назад

      No I haven't will be uploading the one with info as well.

    • @DanaMackstormdog94
      @DanaMackstormdog94 7 лет назад

      Will it be the exact same video or a one in a reverse course?

  • @anehakansson7771
    @anehakansson7771 6 лет назад +1

    Stunning as usual. Back in the seventies I got a cab ride in one of those El 9 locomotives (the co-driver had a bad stomach and, well, resided in the rear cab). Do you know if there are any El 9 in operational condition today? As museum loco for example. Anyway, your loco seems way more comfortable 😉 On the other hand, the old ones had lots of character. Keep on the extraordinary good job.

    • @RailCowGirl
      @RailCowGirl  6 лет назад +1

      They have EL9 at the museum in Flåm. Not operational anymore.

    • @anehakansson7771
      @anehakansson7771 6 лет назад +1

      O.K. thanks for info.

  • @ronnronn55
    @ronnronn55 6 лет назад

    Note the Ice Giants sitting on the rocks watching the train starting at 26.44 on the extreme right side of the screen.

  • @oaktadopbok665
    @oaktadopbok665 4 года назад

    How do you know how fast you should be going? How do you know when to blow the horn? Is that a horn or did someone step on a clarinet?

  • @Xlastsuspectx
    @Xlastsuspectx 6 лет назад +1

    Digg video! (subbed) Hvilke ruter kjører du på? Hovedsakelig til/fra bergen og ned til Flåm?

    • @RailCowGirl
      @RailCowGirl  6 лет назад +1

      Bergen - Ål og Flåmsbana.
      Og så klart lokaltogene.

  • @davidgriffiths7215
    @davidgriffiths7215 6 лет назад +1

    Thanks for another fabulous video. Was it an EL 17 or EL 18 you were driving? I assume the Flåm line has its own dedicated locomotives? I travelled on it about 25 years ago and I seem to remember being told that each train had something like five independent braking systems.

    • @RailCowGirl
      @RailCowGirl  6 лет назад +1

      It was the EL18. The EL17 has been decommissioned and does not service anywhere anymore.

  • @paulkirkland3263
    @paulkirkland3263 7 лет назад +1

    Another spectacular trip, HC Girl. With that gradient, do your trains have anything to assist the wheels in gripping the rails, if they start to slip ? Please keep these videos coming - I'm telling people all about them.

    • @RailCowGirl
      @RailCowGirl  7 лет назад +1

      Hey Paul :)
      Thanks for the love!
      And yes, during some conditions we have wheel slip. This mostly occur during falll and with huge temperature drops.

    • @paulkirkland3263
      @paulkirkland3263 7 лет назад

      Didn't the old steam engines have sand that they could drop onto the rail in front of the drive wheels - I think that is true. You don't have anything like that ? :O)

    • @mikeworth6404
      @mikeworth6404 7 лет назад +1

      I was just wondering if she used the brakes a lot, used the motor in low throttle to hold the train back or both.

    • @paulkirkland3263
      @paulkirkland3263 7 лет назад

      Good point, Mike