Terrific video showing the conditions the railroaders sometimes have to work in. Also that it is difficult work. Bravo to you for having stuck it out in the rain to capture this evolution.
Thanks for the play-by-play of all the action going on there. It was neat to see all of the steam pouring off of the GE's radiators and the engines struggling to get the train moving. Too bad they found the weakest knuckle on the train, though. 🤠👍
This was very interesting Chad, that crew was having some terrible luck that day with a stall and coupler failure. Those ACU's are pretty hoss, notice an SD70ACe has two radiator fans and an ACU has 3, another way to tell the difference other than the cab numbers. You even caught old Mr. Mix! Was an eventful day, excellent video 👍🏻😎🇺🇲
@@mitchellcollins1029 Thank you for watching and for the very nice comment. We appreciate it. Blessings upon you as well and have a very Merry Christmas!
Should’ve put a fresh crew on the head end, had the helpers push from the rear. Surprised the crew knocked the handbrakes off before getting the power together, risky endeavor. Supposed to get it all together let the reservoirs build back up, then release the handbrakes.
@LoganisTrainBoy1 they should've had sufficient power to begin with and avoided this mess but NS loves to underpower on this hill! But yes, a new head end crew and the 2nd engine set going to the rear would've been more effective.
@@HistoricBF In the Conrail Days BRPI would had a pair of Canton Helpers GP38-2'S to go up to Hudson in Summit County tied this in to the Rear and send it to Conway's West Hump Yard where this Train is Terminated. But NS loves to do things the Hard way and this only a 20 minutes from Conway at Highland Cut in Big Beaver
@@bobcobb7719 Bob I tell you this not how you got it done it getting done right with out getting no one hurt that what makes a difference, even normally this Train takes 19 hours but it actually took it 28 hours instead . Since it was Outlawed and C80 crew had to pick up that Train
@@donovanferrari761 The original crew was out of time, and the decision makers won't send out 2 crews even if it's what they need. So, the crew does what they can with what they have.
Great stuff Chad, appreciate you following and chaseing the helpers. Crazy seeing the train pulling the engines back down the hill. So what did you guys get to eat..
NS always wants to send you out right at the amount of tonnage rated for those engines. That only works when the rail is dry/not covered in snow. I have stalled many times because they simply wouldnt listen or had no other power to give us.
@@schinbone0 yes, they do it here regularly. Then PTC and the road foreman typically blame the crew! Thanks for watching and commenting. Stay safe out there!
@@a.r.gentum6517 You must work for NS too. I always make sure to go to the yardmaster and trainmaster and made sure they knew and that they can pull my tapes if there were any questions.
@@a.r.gentum6517 Yup! That's because Yardmasters get reamed for not getting the train out of the yard on time, so they just shove it out the door. Once they show a train as "departed" in the system, it becomes the Trainmaster's problem as an "over the road failure".
@@taijuan5087 Way way back in the day; instead of stalling; I would get out with 2 switch brooms and sweep fresh snow off the North and South rail for 2.5 miles to a tunnel; better than doubling the hill. Nowadays, I just don't give a shit... call a relief crew.
Great video and nice catch. i never saw a train go into an emergency or stall the closest I came to that was the other night when 38G stopped because the trailing unit was smoking really bad
Great video! Thank you for braving the rain to capture this footage! What does “outlawed” mean for the crew? Over their rostered hours? You have a like and a new subscriber. Greetings from across the Pond! 🇬🇧
Thanks for the video. Best wishes from Russia to all peaceful people! Какие-то немощные и старые американские локомотивы. Видно, что отрасль выжимают до последнего, а вкладывать ничего не хотят. Эффективные менеджеры.
a Queensland Railways driver on the Greenvale line said he had four locos pulling ninety vehicles on a nickel ore train. He was going up an incline when the coupling broke eight vehicles back and he said “It was like a 747 taking off-ay”.
It's not overheated. It's pouring rain outside. While the GE isn't making huge power, there's not a lot of heat being sent up to be cooled at the radiator. Meanwhile, the rain keeps soaking everything. When the GE warms up, the thermostats open allowing a lot of hot water up into the radiator. Suddenly, the soaked radiator gets a bunch of heat from the inside warming it up, and that heat transfers through the metal. On the outside, it's soaking wet from the rain, so that moisture starts evaporating off the outside of the radiator. It's doing exactly what it's supposed to do, just with the added visual effect of the rain water being visually evaporated and rising away in a little cloud of fog.
@@stanpatterson5033 I thought that's what was happening, but I wasn't certain, so I did not want to put out bad info. Thank you for the concise explanation.
If the train had split why didn't the front locos take the front portion to the summit, the rear locos push the back portion to the summit and then sort out the broken coupling at the summit? Rather than risking the train ending up back in the same situation, stalled part way up the hill
This is what happens when you take out the crossover in New Galilee. There used to be one there I didn’t realize until this video that it has been removed. (Checked sat view in maps) I wonder when it was removed?
@jonglass I think it was when they installed the new signals, c.2012. CP WOOD was moved west towards Aley Hill and the one at Galilee was removed completely. MORADO was also removed but I think that was back in the PC or Conrail days.
Yeah im glad we dont need helpers down here. Alot of big hills and ive come close to stalling (every now and then someone does) but been lucky enough to escape it. Still no less interesting to watch
Very interesting. NS will always under power their trains, just assigning barely enough to get it to where it is going. Until it won't. Something else was amiss, though. All of that power should have had no problem starting that train. Obviously, mechanical got it fixed and there were no more problems, after that. It's always fun on the Fort Wayne Line.
@@johnandrus3901 They were short of the summit, so the entire train was still on the uphill side on wet rails. I agree. They love to run at the minimum. I guess somewhere on a spreadsheet, it makes sense. Yes, it's always an adventure out here! Thank you for watching!
@@HistoricBF I ran a lot of trains over the Fort Wayne Line, from Toledo to Conway. Fortunately, I never had one stall. I never had an under-powered train, on Conrail, but I had plenty of just enough to make it trains, on NS. They'll never learn.
In the US, we have powerful locomotives, long, heavy trains and brainless decision-makers who may have gone to college but never actually worked in the field to know what it's like.
@@sealdm I figure they had things backed up the whole way out your way! Assuming you're the Alliance reporter on Heritage Units, that is. Thanks for watching.
How can they push the train backwards when the last two cars had their brakes set? Didn’t the helper conductor apply the brakes in the beginning of the video? Amazing!
@@MCole-xz3cz I'm not sure if he was applying or releasing. Radio transmissions were rather garbled. Regardless, if they applied locomotive brakes while under load, the train would've been stretched end to end. Once released, since they were still fully on the hill, as the wheels presumably slip, gravity would do it's thing and take in the slack. Without wheel slip, I don't suspect it would have rolled back.
@@HistoricBF As son of loco driver, I grew up on/ driving GE U26C.. here in 🇳🇿.., I really miss the old man.. & 100% appreciate all the work, $ n time that must go into your vids 🙏🙏🙏
@@tigertiger1699 It's awesome that you got to experience those times with him. Great memories, I am sure! I am sorry you have lost him. Thank you for your comments and kind words. We spend a great deal of time putting our videos together, but we very much enjoy what we do! Thank you again!
@@HistoricBF cheers… was awesome, to have those big GEs.. single headed.. crawling in notch 8 .., on central North Island grade…lol their never stalled when (I was there) and he was driving…. He would’ve considered it poor display of skills.. immense power..
Mind I am remembering that he did have a coupler break/ disengage, on the daylight passenger express to the Capital.., just behind the loco.., at mainline speed (70mph ish). Apparently they ran over large piece of steel clamped/ welded to rails…? He said it was quite a bang…😂
There is a clear need for battery\hybrid powered DPUs pull power from traction motors to charge or diesel hybrid to help in regenerative braking and hill pulling! Could also be designed to pull power only on down grades for recharging dynamically so as to not limit train engine power.
Do what yeah I would love to see the charging stations for that you do know these engines are electric right they have their own diesel generators with them and just how many electric batteries do you think it would take enough with this green crap the cars are a joke so let’s completely destroy our infrastructure why don’t you see electric tractor trailers
@@marryellen7713 Sorry, I tried my best to explain the events in subtitles and description. However, there is a lot going on here that just doesn't make sense!
@railroadmack1 Thank you. That is correct, it was past the stalled engines and approaching us (myself and the outlawed crew) when the ditch lights came on.
@newjerseybill3521 yes, the term used for a crew that has run out of federally regulated operating time, when they must go off duty. The original crew was dropped off near my filming location to wait on a taxi (in this case, it was a supervisor) to return them to the yard or a hotel.
Just curious why didn't they clear the rescue train to travel up the track to the stalled train instead of having to go all that way 2 back again to switch tracks? Or with that summit being a known issue maybe load less weight and carriages in the first place.
@@TheSilmarillian I guess it looks good on paper. They probably have it figured out that if they get lucky on 9 trains and stall 1 or some such thing, then it's cheaper to underpower them!
Why are they not running pushers on this track if they know it’s a problem another thing CSX would not let us run this much horsepower on the headend and on wet track this is the reason we are limited to 24 powered axles if you notice the GE was the only one doing it’s job those SD 70s are junk when they sense wheel slip or they start moving in the opposite direction they drop their load and will not recover
@@pamhensley3126 There are tons of things here that can make you scratch your head! CSX seems to do a much better job in the planning department when it comes to building a train and distributing power. NS loves to underpower here. When they stall, it takes hours to get rescue engines out, and the brass refuses to send a second crew to relieve the outlawed crew. Result: crazy drawbar forces on the head because they can't go to the rear. Thanks for the excellent comment, and we appreciate you watching!
@@davidhimmelsbach557 No, but unfortunately, it's only about 12 rail miles east of East Palestine! I posted drone footage of the mushroom cloud from my backyard! Thanks for watching!
@@HistoricBF I agree the fact it’s being pulled on wet steel wheels and rails! So you gotta’ think whoever was in charge of setting up the power that day and how much to use, I wonder what their reaction was when and if they found out that it stalled out lol?!? 😅😅😅😅
Ya. We were talking about what a glamorous job railroading could be watching the conductor slip off the ballast into the ditch. We kind of thought they might send their knuckle out on the other train but they probably know better than I.
@@zenoelea8239 Others mentioned elsewhere, at idle the thermostat was likely closed and once under power, when the radiators got hot again, the rainwater that accumulated probably steamed off. I can't say for sure either way but thank you for watching and commenting!
@garrykelso5642 as explained in the description, the original crew outlawed and NS will rarely send out two crews regardless of what the crew suggests. Unfortunate reality of someone in Atlanta making decisions for an area they've never seen, preferring to listen to the bean counters instead of the crews that operate the hill every day.
@pedrobarragan1294 the bell is just another safety precaution to warn people. The pitch is very different between the horns and the bells so it makes it more noticeable.
@@stefanodeluca-jl2si in this video, all 4 locomotives are linked by cable. In other videos, where there are locomotives in the middle of a train or at the end of a train, they are linked by radio
Watch RJ Corman clean up a derailment at this location, here: ruclips.net/video/3Kl-eim2Rc8/видео.htmlsi=rgNPuTXd7KrN3kzf
Terrific video showing the conditions the railroaders sometimes have to work in. Also that it is difficult work. Bravo to you for having stuck it out in the rain to capture this evolution.
@@TomSchmidt-t4y thank you, I do appreciate it! I do not envy the conditions they face.
Lol, I could retire being a railroader after logging in the elements my whole life in Idaho
Thanks for the play-by-play of all the action going on there. It was neat to see all of the steam pouring off of the GE's radiators and the engines struggling to get the train moving. Too bad they found the weakest knuckle on the train, though. 🤠👍
@@espeescotty thank you for watching and commenting!
Great video..These train crews can go through some frustrating days as what you captured here..Hats off to them for their skills and hard work..
@@victormioduszewski4729 Agreed! I do not envy the conditions they work in.
Fantastic camera work and knowledge of the railroading operations This was very enjoyable short film. Thanks for this!
@@Brad-g9d Thank you for the kind words. It is appreciated. Thanks for watching!
It’s amazing how you followed the train Chad. Really enjoyed this one. Outstanding video! 💯😊
@@TwistedMacGyversTrains Thank you, I thought this one was worth the suffering!
@@HistoricBFMost definitely appreciate it!
Excellent vid; 2 cheers for Precision Scheduled Railroading!
@robertdshannon5155 thanks for watching and commenting. Go PSR! Go away, far far away, that is...
Thank you for the footage. Impressive, how long and heavy the trains are. Great problem solving. Best wishes to all of you. Be happy. 😊
@@guidobley7389 thank you. It is appreciated
Thanks for braving the weather, the great narrative and not charging to subscribe.
@@supercuda1950 Thank you for watching! We enjoy sharing what we do!
That was a great video! Not sure I was enjoying the rain, but it was fun to get a cameo! Great dedication to getting shots in garbage weather!
@@MrMiz1113 Thanks! Always glad to include yoy
I've never seen a train engine/Prime Mover with this same Livery, I like it. Thank you for sharing the video.
@@BobbyTucker Thank you for watching, we're glad you enjoyed it!
Wow! I could almost feel the heat from those radiators as they bought the power up. Great video. Thanks!
@@AAHKLEE Thank you for watching and commenting!
Love your vid🙏🙏
@@tigertiger1699 Thank you!
I must sat the operator of the Drone/Camera is very good at what he/she does with the zoom lens, I'm impressed. The editing is done very well.
@@BobbyTucker Thank you for those kind words, I appreciate it!
This was very interesting Chad, that crew was having some terrible luck that day with a stall and coupler failure. Those ACU's are pretty hoss, notice an SD70ACe has two radiator fans and an ACU has 3, another way to tell the difference other than the cab numbers. You even caught old Mr. Mix! Was an eventful day, excellent video 👍🏻😎🇺🇲
Ps excellent description to, you spent some time typing that
@stretchlimo7275 thanks Eddie, it was a long, cold day but I enjoy documenting the stalls here.
@@stretchlimo7275 thank you for noticing!
Love the video. Especially the way you tell what's going on. Keep up the good work and GOD Bless
@@mitchellcollins1029 Thank you for watching and for the very nice comment. We appreciate it. Blessings upon you as well and have a very Merry Christmas!
Should’ve put a fresh crew on the head end, had the helpers push from the rear. Surprised the crew knocked the handbrakes off before getting the power together, risky endeavor. Supposed to get it all together let the reservoirs build back up, then release the handbrakes.
@LoganisTrainBoy1 they should've had sufficient power to begin with and avoided this mess but NS loves to underpower on this hill! But yes, a new head end crew and the 2nd engine set going to the rear would've been more effective.
@@HistoricBF In the Conrail Days BRPI would had a pair of Canton Helpers GP38-2'S to go up to Hudson in Summit County tied this in to the Rear and send it to Conway's West Hump Yard where this Train is Terminated. But NS loves to do things the Hard way and this only a 20 minutes from Conway at Highland Cut in Big Beaver
@Steelers2841 exactly right!
Meh, job got done in the end and everybody got paid
@@bobcobb7719 Bob I tell you this not how you got it done it getting done right with out getting no one hurt that what makes a difference, even normally this Train takes 19 hours but it actually took it 28 hours instead . Since it was Outlawed and C80 crew had to pick up that Train
And this ladies and gents, is how wild fires start. 15:51
Great video! I saw Wallie's upload explaining this crazy situation! Very neat catch!
@ThePennsylvanianRailfan2K24 thanks for watching
Outstanding coverage of everything taking place with great info. in the sub-titles. Some fantastic wet weather railfanning out there !!
@backalleyrailroading2835 thank you, it's greatly appreciated
What a great video! One of the best I have watched in a very long time. Thank you!
@@aprotosimaki Thank you very much for those kind words! We are glad you enjoyed it, and we appreciate you watching and commenting.
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Interesting and awesome video. Thank for sharing and have a great rest of your Wednesday. Steve
@@StormySkyRailProductions thanks Steve, you too!
@@HistoricBF Your welcome and thank you also.
Wow, that was violent! There must be some deep gouges in the railhead after that.
@@peejay1981 I wouldn't be surprised!
Wow, the length and weight of that train are just amazing 👏 ❤
@@ALTNABREAC-UNCOVERED it was a heavy one!
Really great video!!
@@lynne6417 thank you!
Nice video! Really cool
@@kevinmaddog3064 thanks for watching
Why didn’t they have the helpers shove from the bottom? Seems like that might have avoided the broken knuckle.
@@donovanferrari761 The original crew was out of time, and the decision makers won't send out 2 crews even if it's what they need. So, the crew does what they can with what they have.
THAT DRONE FOOTAGE IS EXCELLENT THANK YOU,,,,,,,,
@@phillipcraddock8248 Thanks for watching!
0:19 no lights on any of the locomotives
@@GeranoDc21112 Yes, that was very unusual.
Great stuff Chad, appreciate you following and chaseing the helpers. Crazy seeing the train pulling the engines back down the hill. So what did you guys get to eat..
@TriGogglin Yeah, this one was pretty wild the whole way around. I had a hot roast, beef sandwich and wallir and aaron shared the cream of sumyunguy
@HistoricBF 🤣🤣🤣
NS always wants to send you out right at the amount of tonnage rated for those engines. That only works when the rail is dry/not covered in snow. I have stalled many times because they simply wouldnt listen or had no other power to give us.
@@schinbone0 yes, they do it here regularly. Then PTC and the road foreman typically blame the crew! Thanks for watching and commenting. Stay safe out there!
"Just get the fucking train out of my yard!" If anything happens, we'll just have an investigation and then ask, "Why did u depart?"
@@a.r.gentum6517 You must work for NS too. I always make sure to go to the yardmaster and trainmaster and made sure they knew and that they can pull my tapes if there were any questions.
@@a.r.gentum6517 Yup! That's because Yardmasters get reamed for not getting the train out of the yard on time, so they just shove it out the door. Once they show a train as "departed" in the system, it becomes the Trainmaster's problem as an "over the road failure".
@@taijuan5087 Way way back in the day; instead of stalling; I would get out with 2 switch brooms and sweep fresh snow off the North and South rail for 2.5 miles to a tunnel; better than doubling the hill. Nowadays, I just don't give a shit... call a relief crew.
Wet rail, probably out of sand, on a curve, the train was doomed from the get-go. But, it's still the engineer's fault. lol
@@a.r.gentum6517 yep, that's typically who they blame out here
REALLY good sound !
@@zzvyb6 thank you!
Cool , Video! keeo up the awesome work.
@TheJanitor2000 thank you!
Great video and nice catch. i never saw a train go into an emergency or stall the closest I came to that was the other night when 38G stopped because the trailing unit was smoking really bad
@@loganvinkovich1882 they typically stall one or two a month here in the cut
one hell of a coupling
@@NS5000 they were hitting pretty hard, I thought I'd seen one break closer to the head
Beautiful Norfolk Southern Railway ❤
@@freddykagin some things never change!
Great video!
@@williamcwynar9300 thanks Bill!
@@HistoricBF Yes sir!
Somebody way underpowered this consists. Lost man hours and tracks are taking beating.
@@alexmodern6667 they almost did it again today!
Great video!
Thank you for braving the rain to capture this footage!
What does “outlawed” mean for the crew? Over their rostered hours?
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Greetings from across the Pond! 🇬🇧
@darrenhillman8396 thanks so much. Welcome aboard! Yes, they are allowed, by federal law, 12 hours in control of the train.
Thanks for the video. Best wishes from Russia to all peaceful people!
Какие-то немощные и старые американские локомотивы. Видно, что отрасль выжимают до последнего, а вкладывать ничего не хотят. Эффективные менеджеры.
a Queensland Railways driver on the Greenvale line said he had four locos pulling ninety vehicles on a nickel ore train. He was going up an incline when the coupling broke eight vehicles back and he said “It was like a 747 taking off-ay”.
@@darylcheshire1618 That would be an exciting ride!
@@HistoricBF with four locomotives and all that weight, it would be a similar power to a 747 (-ay).
Great video
@@johns8488 Thank you! We appreciate you watching and commenting.
never seen an overheated GE before neat video EMDs are the best that train stalled at the perfect spot
I thought I was seeing steam not smoke. !
@@Gwen-x6d could be steam this is the first time iv seen this
It's not overheated. It's pouring rain outside. While the GE isn't making huge power, there's not a lot of heat being sent up to be cooled at the radiator. Meanwhile, the rain keeps soaking everything. When the GE warms up, the thermostats open allowing a lot of hot water up into the radiator. Suddenly, the soaked radiator gets a bunch of heat from the inside warming it up, and that heat transfers through the metal. On the outside, it's soaking wet from the rain, so that moisture starts evaporating off the outside of the radiator. It's doing exactly what it's supposed to do, just with the added visual effect of the rain water being visually evaporated and rising away in a little cloud of fog.
@@stanpatterson5033 that is the best logical idea i came up with too now you confirmed it.thank you
@@stanpatterson5033 I thought that's what was happening, but I wasn't certain, so I did not want to put out bad info. Thank you for the concise explanation.
After working 30 years for the railroad I've learned one important thing. If management can screw things up they will !
@@johnzeller1338 Universal truth!
Correct. Most don't have anything to do but create a problem for train crews , then wonder why it takes so long.
They started their pull with ~1.012 HP per ton, if both our numbers of HP and weight are right
I'm not even a qualified rail fan... This looks like a royal cluster... Impressive work capturing it all though.
@@ShainAndrews It certainly was! Thank you for watching, and have a great day!
Very cool. I’ve never seen anything like this before.
@@Baystateboy125 Glad you enjoyed the video, thank you for the comment!
I was wondering why they didn't put the helpers at the rear? Less chance of a broken coupler.
@Bryanja81 original crew outlawed and they didn't send a 2nd crew
If the train had split why didn't the front locos take the front portion to the summit, the rear locos push the back portion to the summit and then sort out the broken coupling at the summit? Rather than risking the train ending up back in the same situation, stalled part way up the hill
EMDs are brought out when the real heavy duty work needs to be done.
@@TK-ec5bv agree!
Shit, wonder if the outlaw crew ate some of that console for lunch. That was a really hard joint.
This is what happens when you take out the crossover in New Galilee. There used to be one there I didn’t realize until this video that it has been removed. (Checked sat view in maps) I wonder when it was removed?
@jonglass I think it was when they installed the new signals, c.2012. CP WOOD was moved west towards Aley Hill and the one at Galilee was removed completely. MORADO was also removed but I think that was back in the PC or Conrail days.
Very nice work of documenting this incident.
@@FrogandFlangeVideo Thank you, it is appreciated!
Anyone know where Highland Cut is located ??
@@golfberg1 western Pennsylvania, USA, on the Ft Wayne Line, between Beaver Falls and New Galilee.
I don't think those Norfolk Southern train people have ANY IDEA what their trying to do!
@@kingfish93 The decision makers sure don't!
Was the Outlawed Crew sent to Bed early with no dinner.
@@dozerblade With a firm scolding, I'm sure!
Now that's RailRoading!!!
@@joebidenbites1015 thank you!
Yeah im glad we dont need helpers down here. Alot of big hills and ive come close to stalling (every now and then someone does) but been lucky enough to escape it. Still no less interesting to watch
Very interesting. NS will always under power their trains, just assigning barely enough to get it to where it is going. Until it won't. Something else was amiss, though. All of that power should have had no problem starting that train. Obviously, mechanical got it fixed and there were no more problems, after that. It's always fun on the Fort Wayne Line.
@@johnandrus3901 They were short of the summit, so the entire train was still on the uphill side on wet rails. I agree. They love to run at the minimum. I guess somewhere on a spreadsheet, it makes sense. Yes, it's always an adventure out here! Thank you for watching!
@@HistoricBF I ran a lot of trains over the Fort Wayne Line, from Toledo to Conway. Fortunately, I never had one stall. I never had an under-powered train, on Conrail, but I had plenty of just enough to make it trains, on NS. They'll never learn.
I'm surprised anything stops those things. Your trains in the US are huge.
@@gssf.gr29 Bad decisions by planning and higher-ups probably stop more trains than anything else, here in the US... Thank you for watching!
In the US, we have powerful locomotives, long, heavy trains and brainless decision-makers who may have gone to college but never actually worked in the field to know what it's like.
The SD9043MACs were designed to accept a 6000HP engine but they never got one.
@@armandoperez7967 thanks for watching and commenting
Nice video. I now have the answer to what I heard on scanner
@@sealdm I figure they had things backed up the whole way out your way! Assuming you're the Alliance reporter on Heritage Units, that is. Thanks for watching.
Notice how the wipers and the bell are in-phase ?
@@zzvyb6 I missed that. Good catch!
How can they push the train backwards when the last two cars had their brakes set? Didn’t the helper conductor apply the brakes in the beginning of the video? Amazing!
@@MCole-xz3cz I'm not sure if he was applying or releasing. Radio transmissions were rather garbled. Regardless, if they applied locomotive brakes while under load, the train would've been stretched end to end. Once released, since they were still fully on the hill, as the wheels presumably slip, gravity would do it's thing and take in the slack. Without wheel slip, I don't suspect it would have rolled back.
It's not "pulled back" it's called "pushed back"! 👿
@@duanewing3008 If that's the biggest mistake I made in a 23-minute video, after 8 or so hours in the freezing rain, I'll take! Thanks for watching
Excellent vid🙏🙏🙏🙏🇳🇿
@@tigertiger1699 Thank you for that!
@@HistoricBF
As son of loco driver, I grew up on/ driving GE U26C.. here in 🇳🇿.., I really miss the old man.. & 100% appreciate all the work, $ n time that must go into your vids 🙏🙏🙏
@@tigertiger1699 It's awesome that you got to experience those times with him. Great memories, I am sure! I am sorry you have lost him. Thank you for your comments and kind words. We spend a great deal of time putting our videos together, but we very much enjoy what we do! Thank you again!
@@HistoricBF cheers… was awesome, to have those big GEs.. single headed.. crawling in notch 8 .., on central North Island grade…lol their never stalled when (I was there) and he was driving…. He would’ve considered it poor display of skills.. immense power..
Mind I am remembering that he did have a coupler break/ disengage, on the daylight passenger express to the Capital.., just behind the loco.., at mainline speed (70mph ish).
Apparently they ran over large piece of steel clamped/ welded to rails…?
He said it was quite a bang…😂
They went to the rear to arm the marker.
There is a clear need for battery\hybrid powered DPUs pull power from traction motors to charge or diesel hybrid to help in regenerative braking and hill pulling! Could also be designed to pull power only on down grades for recharging dynamically so as to not limit train engine power.
@robertpeters9438 thanks for watching and commenting
Do what yeah I would love to see the charging stations for that you do know these engines are electric right they have their own diesel generators with them and just how many electric batteries do you think it would take enough with this green crap the cars are a joke so let’s completely destroy our infrastructure why don’t you see electric tractor trailers
I wouldn't want to be standing at the front of that train as it slam couples with another.
@@MrTimeless101 That was a bit rough!
18:02 Amazingly different looking sets of running gear on those two locomotives 7265 vs 4387. Anyone know what that's all about?
@gragor11 4387 is a General Electric AC44C6M and 7265 is an EMD SD70ACU; different manufacturers, different designs
@HistoricBF isn't that one of the reasons engineers prefer the GE? Better ride with GE design?
@@Bryanja81 Most of the crews I've talked to, yes. Most seem to like the EMD controls but GE comfort. They say the SD70 series is a hard ride.
Groovy!
A lot of things happening that I do not understand why.
@@marryellen7713 Sorry, I tried my best to explain the events in subtitles and description. However, there is a lot going on here that just doesn't make sense!
8 and sand baby
@@7171-Ws6 That didn't work this time!
Very good video. You did a great job. Was I mistakened, or were the ditch lights not on the last train coming around the S curve until it got close?
@railroadmack1 Thank you. That is correct, it was past the stalled engines and approaching us (myself and the outlawed crew) when the ditch lights came on.
@@HistoricBF "outlawed crew"?
@newjerseybill3521 yes, the term used for a crew that has run out of federally regulated operating time, when they must go off duty. The original crew was dropped off near my filming location to wait on a taxi (in this case, it was a supervisor) to return them to the yard or a hotel.
Just curious why didn't they clear the rescue train to travel up the track to the stalled train instead of having to go all that way 2 back again to switch tracks? Or with that summit being a known issue maybe load less weight and carriages in the first place.
@@TheSilmarillian You nailed it, less weight or more power, and none of this would happen! Yet, they keep doing it!
@@HistoricBF Would appear they are profit margin maybe.
@@TheSilmarillian I guess it looks good on paper. They probably have it figured out that if they get lucky on 9 trains and stall 1 or some such thing, then it's cheaper to underpower them!
Why are they not running pushers on this track if they know it’s a problem another thing CSX would not let us run this much horsepower on the headend and on wet track this is the reason we are limited to 24 powered axles if you notice the GE was the only one doing it’s job those SD 70s are junk when they sense wheel slip or they start moving in the opposite direction they drop their load and will not recover
@@pamhensley3126 There are tons of things here that can make you scratch your head! CSX seems to do a much better job in the planning department when it comes to building a train and distributing power.
NS loves to underpower here. When they stall, it takes hours to get rescue engines out, and the brass refuses to send a second crew to relieve the outlawed crew. Result: crazy drawbar forces on the head because they can't go to the rear.
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WHY ARE THE HAND BREACKS SET AT THE REAR OF THE TRAIN
Why didn’t they bank the train from behind to push and pull
If theyd get rid of the stupid emissions on these rigs problems like this wouldnt accure
@@Twofrogsonecup That is one factor, I would think.
I'm not even a RR man, and I thought this was a screwy solution. Well, at least it's not East Palestine, OH.
@@davidhimmelsbach557 No, but unfortunately, it's only about 12 rail miles east of East Palestine! I posted drone footage of the mushroom cloud from my backyard! Thanks for watching!
Whats with the Ge radiator blowing steam like that ive never seen that before
27 million lbs is crazy weight
@mikelowery5741 kind of hard to wrap my mind around it!
@@HistoricBF I agree the fact it’s being pulled on wet steel wheels and rails! So you gotta’ think whoever was in charge of setting up the power that day and how much to use, I wonder what their reaction was when and if they found out that it stalled out lol?!? 😅😅😅😅
I presume that the curve is not helping with traction for climbing the grade.
@@thedoctor2102 Not at all! 3 compound curves on the grade, with this being the final, located at the summit.
Can someone please explain the purpose of the flares @ 16:00 . Cheers!
Was wondering the same thing. Maybe for repair crew?
269 savedthose guys from a big hike!
Ya. We were talking about what a glamorous job railroading could be watching the conductor slip off the ballast into the ditch. We kind of thought they might send their knuckle out on the other train but they probably know better than I.
Looking at the steam from the front loco cooler group suggests its got a bad coolant leak, and perhaps shut down.
@@zenoelea8239 Others mentioned elsewhere, at idle the thermostat was likely closed and once under power, when the radiators got hot again, the rainwater that accumulated probably steamed off.
I can't say for sure either way but thank you for watching and commenting!
Great videography, you kept your powder... err, your lens dry. Thank you.
@@bazza945 Hahaha, thank you!
Why not put the extra power to the rear of the train instead of the head end?
@garrykelso5642 as explained in the description, the original crew outlawed and NS will rarely send out two crews regardless of what the crew suggests. Unfortunate reality of someone in Atlanta making decisions for an area they've never seen, preferring to listen to the bean counters instead of the crews that operate the hill every day.
Hola saludos una pregunta cual es el propocito de que la locomotora tañe su campana en cada cruce veicular gracias y asta luego
@pedrobarragan1294 the bell is just another safety precaution to warn people. The pitch is very different between the horns and the bells so it makes it more noticeable.
Low power engines, low training crew . Everything shipped by truck not a train
@viacheslavglukhov8188 I disagree with your assessment but I thank you for watching and commenting!
Very nice Brian. What route does that Daventry Doncaster take? Cheers Mate.
what was the raod flares used for
@@stuartfarrell6729 I believe they were just marking their position for when they returned after dropping off the original crew.
What was with loco 4387 emitting steam from the radiators unlike the other locos?
wondering the same thing my friend
@ScojoDak I can't say, I never heard anything on the radio about it but it did it 3 or 4 times
Why is he throwing flares out?
My best bet would be 3 rear DPU's and one engine up front
@dkillalegend typically a consist this size would be 2 head end engines and one mid dpu but NS loves to underpower here for some reason
why did the engineer throw away those torches at minute 16:00?
Bellissimo video. Grazie. Mi togli una curiosità: i telecomandi con le loco di spinta di coda, come vengono collegati, via radio o via cavo. Grazie
@@stefanodeluca-jl2si in this video, all 4 locomotives are linked by cable. In other videos, where there are locomotives in the middle of a train or at the end of a train, they are linked by radio
@HistoricBF grazie, volevo la conferma.
@@stefanodeluca-jl2si Welcome!
That intermodal train is how quiet all trains should be not flat spot wheels well ground rail it's all welded rail so no seams it's jus quiet
Called a "break in two" to railroaders.
@@Greatdome99 Thanks!