@dylanwilliams2202 I see your everywhere. Can you name anything that this video got wrong? I noticed you didn't address my comment about the things she didn't address
@@dano8613 _"I noticed you didn't address my comment about the things she didn't address"_ What are you talking about? I did respond to you. It was what I was referring to when I called you out. Here is a exact copy and paste of it: Buddy, everything you said is a complete lie and said out of complete and utter ignorance. _" Joseph smith was arrested prior to the "revelation" for swindling people using the very stones used to decipher the "tablets"_ Idk what "revelation" you are referring to but Joseph had the first vision already if that is what you are meaning. You are also grossly exaggerating what happened. Joseph Smith was asked by a guy named Josiah Stowell to help him look for treasure, of which both Joseph and Josiah said Joseph was very reluctant to do but was convinced to do so. Josiah's nephew then sued Joseph Smith on behalf of Josiah for being a disorderly person. The case was then dismissed by the Judge because Josiah defended Joseph in the hearing and said that he asked Joseph to do it. _"he was a pedophile"_ This is nothing but a gross lie. _"he was murdered while in jail for stealing horses"_ BRUH, what are you talking about? Joseph Smith was in jail for a trumped up charge of treason against the state of Illinois when he was murdered (they specifically charged him with treason because you can't post bail with a treason charge). Like, usually I know what someone is talking about when they mix up things but I have no idea what you would even be referring too. If you are going to try and bash us then do at least a 5 second google search to make sure you are right. _"LDS think the Bible is corrupted so their very own KJV is different from ours"_ That is false. If you bought a KJV Bible from us then it would be exactly the same as if it was bought and any other book store with the only difference would be that it would have headings which give a summary of the chapter and references to our other scriptures. Nothing has changed about it. _" they believe that Jesus & Satan are brothers. (Ask them to recite John 3:16, they will say for God so loved the world that he gave his son........ that's wrong because its actually written "he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN son" they will argue and say Jesus's wasn't the only son and tell you that Satan was the other. "_ You are completely twisting what we believe and it is so annoying how much this gets brought up because the only time we ever talk about or think about this is when you all bring it up. We believe that because we believe Jesus, Satan and everyone who has ever and will ever live was with God as his Children and were the angels before the foundation of the world. Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God in the flesh or the only one to have God as his father here on earth. Nothing in John 3:16 refutes what we believe. Just to really hammer this point in. From the Book of Mormon. 2 Nephi 25:12 "But, behold, they shall have wars, and rumors of wars; *and when the day cometh that the Only Begotten of the Father,* yea, even the Father of heaven and of earth, shall manifest himself unto them in the flesh, behold, they will reject him, because of their iniquities, and the hardness of their hearts, and the stiffness of their necks." Jacob 4:5 "Behold, they believed in Christ and worshiped the Father in his name, and also we worship the Father in his name. And for this intent we keep the law of Moses, it pointing our souls to him; and for this cause it is sanctified unto us for righteousness, even as it was accounted unto Abraham in the wilderness to be obedient unto the commands of God in offering up his son Isaac, which is a similitude of *God and his Only Begotten Son."* Alma 5:48 "I say unto you, that I know of myself that whatsoever I shall say unto you, concerning that which is to come, is true; and I say unto you, *that I know that Jesus Christ shall come, yea, the Son, the Only Begotten of the Father,* full of grace, and mercy, and truth. And behold, it is he that cometh to take away the sins of the world, yea, the sins of every man who steadfastly believeth on his name." I could quote many more from the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price and all of our leaders that say Jesus is the only begotten of the Father. You tried this in another comment thread and the other guy was super confused. Everyone is going to say "he gave his only begotten son". _"the early prophets joseph smith,Brigham young ect prophesied that there were men living on the moon"_ Joseph Smith never said anything like this (the only source of Joseph Smith saying this is a late 3rd hand source, so not reliable at all). There is only one quote where Brigham Young said anything about "people living on the moon". At little context, scientific articles at the time were talking about people living on the moon and he is talking about these articles in a sermon. "We are called ignorant; so we are: but what of it? Are not all ignorant? I rather think so. Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon? When we view its face we may see what is termed "the man in the moon," and what some philosophers declare are the shadows of mountains. But these sayings are very vague, and amount to nothing; and when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the most ignorant of their fellows." Please tell me where in that quote Brigham Young is acting as a prophet and prophesied of people living on the moon. _" how can we trust them to tell you the truth? "_ Well, when you are intellectually honest and aren't making grossly exaggerated claims then it is pretty easy. _"they are always changing! We know Gods word never changes"_ There is no official doctrine that has ever changed. _"until recently they taught and believed that black people were cursed! That being black was the curse of Cain!"_ This was never official doctrine and any statement about this has been disavowed, some of which by the people who stated them. Also, so did most of the rest of the Christian world buddy. Now, _"Can you name anything that this video got wrong?"_ She said that we believed God was a man who lived on another planet, that we believe our works save us, that the world can end any day now, and that Zion or the New Jerusalem is the only place to gather. She also got our history wrong because she combined the events of Nauvoo and Missouri. And with that, she also got the route they took from Nauvoo to Salt Lake wrong. Do you want me to pick this apart like I did with you?
@@dano8613 alright, I'll bat. Here's what they got wrong. For starters, they mispronounced Nephite, Lamanite, and Zion. You would think if their research was thorough they would know how to say these names. Secondly, we don't ascribe to "tritheism." We believe in a social Trinity where the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are the same in every way except in substance. And the whole thing about God once being a man and now He lives near Kolob? Neither are central to our faith. You will never hear a talk (a sermon) on either topic. None are even in our 13 articles of faith. Missions do not look like how they are presented in the Book of Mormon musical, and we do believe in a hell. It is called Outer Darkness and is where Satan, his followers, and the sons of perdition dwell. So yeah, this video got a few things wrong about the LDS church.
You are free to believe what you want. As a meme we of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-say Saints we know that we are Christians! We love Christ and worship Him for His sacrifice through the Atonement that saves us from sin! Christ gets all the credit for my salvation He is good!
Which Jesus? Your spirit brother? The brother of Lucifer? Or the Almighty Only God Jesus? Kinda a big difference in "Characters" also, different salvation. Different Gospel. Different gods. Different foreign Jesus. You are a heretic. Repent and come to the God that exists.
If you truly believed in Jesus Christ, you wouldn’t be a Mormon. Jesus Christ of the Bible is not Satan‘s brother. Jesus Christ of the Bible did not minister to Native Americans. Jesus Christ of the Bible did not marry anyone. Paul talks about in the New Testament If you have a different Jesus, you have a different gospel and Mormons you guys got a very different Jesus, but I do pray that you get saved for real.
@@ke6264 I appreciate your kindness even though we disagree. I believe God is the God of the whole earth not just the people of the Bible. Jesus did appear in the Americas. Jesus and Lucifer and all of us are children of God. I love Jesus and fully accept his grace on my behalf to be saved. I trust Him to work out all the details in the next life.
@@kylehansen639 yes to all of those. Why can’t they all be true? Jesus is my brother, Lucifer is also our brother, and Jesus Christ is God. I appreciate the conversation even though we disagree. I pray that you and I will both be saved by the atonement of Jesus Christ
I do not have any problem with Mormons. They are not against the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. Just like Jesus said, if they're not against us, they're for us.
You seem to be the one whom actually understands what it means to love your neighbor. I’ve scrolled through a hundred or so comments it feels and this was the first positive one. God bless you
zbh and octavius, you are calling other comments hatred, twisted, unloving... just for telling the truth. Was it hatred, twisted, and unloving of you to criticize those comments? Mormonism says there are millions of gods. They say Jesus and Satan are brothers. It is _not_ Christianity.
@@davaocityoutreachdotcom2244 Hateful: because they spew negative assumptions about our brothers and sisters without a proper base to it. Twisted: because they take our actual beliefs and twist them to fit their own view of our religion. Unloving: because if we were truly "lost" of "following a false God" why would you not do as, for example, Pastor Jeff does in @HelloSaints? Why would you have to _explicitly_ say we are going to hell, and not try to help in the same way Jesus helped the Samaritan woman? These people are usually the ones who, under the name, or banner, of Christianity, condemn us for having a different belief. _and isn't that one way to define bigotry?_ I do not _hate_ people for using outdated methods to "preach" truth to us. I, however, harbor very _unchristlike_ feelings towards those closed-minded strategies. I admit, that in the heat of the moment, I could have come as unloving and harsh. And it is in these moments that I echo what I explained to another person in another comment: I repent every day, for I am not perfect. Please notice how I have always referred to the people here in the comments as _people_ and never as "sheeple" or anything of the like. I believe everyone has the capacity to think for themselves, and honestly, that is the reason I thought of it a good idea to actually _debate_ those bigoted views. Have a wonderful evening 🌆
The actual name of the church is, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Not Mormon. And most of this is Lies and half-truths. Example: the LDS Church doesn’t teach we’re saved by works, they teach that work’s follow those that believe. They teach that the purpose of the atonement is to help us become one with God, (at-one-ment) which is to say, like God.
@@Decision_Justice The Church that Christ organized had Apostles and Prophets. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has the same organization. So as in the original Church we follow our leaders as they would have followed Peter, James, John. Of course every member has their agency to follow or not. ruclips.net/video/W8xednMy1hI/видео.htmlsi=9jLqiwHgVLZpMkr3
One question. Do you really believe that God was a man from other planet, that became "god" by living a mormon type of life, as was stated in the video?
As a Latter-day saint myself, some information in this video is a bit inaccurate. While it does do a good job mostly, the video is still biased as near the end you flat out called our religion "not true." An informative video should contain no opinion. First off, we do believe in the God head. The Book of Mormon mentions the unification of the three members numerous times. They are not the same people, all separate beings, but together make up God. They are also united in "purpose." Also a clarification: In our religion, we believe it was once the same as Christianity, and even further back, Judaism. Originally the true Church was Judaism, but after Christ's coming, the law of Moses was restored and Christianity was established. Fast forward 100 years and the world was in the Great Apostasy, as the priesthood (which the apostles had) was removed from the earth by God. Eventually, in God's own due time, the true Church would be restored, along with the priesthood, through Joseph Smith. So it's not as much of a new religion as it is a branch off of Christianity. Lastly, to my knowledge, Heavenly Father having a mortal life on another planet is not confirmed doctrine and is mentioned nowhere in the scriptures. It is not a core belief of our religion, and probably stemmed from the belief that we, if we attain Celestial glory, will become as God is, and people assumed that the same thing happened with God himself. It is a very iffy topic, possibly not even true, and not really relevant to being saved anyways. I have never heard another Latter-day Saint mention it in conversation before. I don't mean this maliciously in any way, just wanted to clarify some things.
The short answer is no but the long answer is noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
It is Christchurch a lot of the things in the old and New Testament make sense. Now that I joined the church, especially first corinthianspection baptism for the dead.
Interesting but it should be pointed out that: 1) Joseph smith was arrested prior to the "revelation" for swindling people using the very stones used to decipher the "tablets" 2)he was a pedophile 3)he was murdered while in jail for stealing horses 4)LDS think the Bible is corrupted so their very own KJV is different from ours 5) they believe that Jesus & Satan are brothers. (Ask them to recite John 3:16, they will say for God so loved the world that he gave his son........ that's wrong because its actually written "he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN son" they will argue and say Jesus's wasn't the only son and tell you that Satan was the other. 6) the early prophets joseph smith,Brigham young ect prophesied that there were men living on the moon.....we all know what the Bible says about false prophets! So if the creators of a religion start off as criminals swindlers and liars, how can we trust them to tell you the truth? 7) they are always changing! We know Gods word never changes. 8) until recently they taught and believed that black people were cursed! That being black was the curse of Cain!
Buddy, everything you said is a complete lie and said out of complete and utter ignorance. _" Joseph smith was arrested prior to the "revelation" for swindling people using the very stones used to decipher the "tablets"_ Idk what "revelation" you are referring to but Joseph had the first vision already if that is what you are meaning. You are also grossly exaggerating what happened. Joseph Smith was asked by a guy named Josiah Stowell to help him look for treasure, of which both Joseph and Josiah said Joseph was very reluctant to do but was convinced to do so. Josiah's nephew then sued Joseph Smith on behalf of Josiah for being a disorderly person. The case was then dismissed by the Judge because Josiah defended Joseph in the hearing and said that he asked Joseph to do it. _"he was a pedophile"_ This is nothing but a gross lie. _"he was murdered while in jail for stealing horses"_ BRUH, what are you talking about? Joseph Smith was in jail for a trumped up charge of treason against the state of Illinois when he was murdered (they specifically charged him with treason because you can't post bail with a treason charge). Like, usually I know what someone is talking about when they mix up things but I have no idea what you would even be referring too. If you are going to try and bash us then do at least a 5 second google search to make sure you are right. _"LDS think the Bible is corrupted so their very own KJV is different from ours"_ That is false. If you bought a KJV Bible from us then it would be exactly the same as if it was bought and any other book store with the only difference would be that it would have headings which give a summary of the chapter and references to our other scriptures. Nothing has changed about it. _" they believe that Jesus & Satan are brothers. (Ask them to recite John 3:16, they will say for God so loved the world that he gave his son........ that's wrong because its actually written "he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN son" they will argue and say Jesus's wasn't the only son and tell you that Satan was the other. "_ You are completely twisting what we believe and it is so annoying how much this gets brought up because the only time we ever talk about or think about this is when you all bring it up. We believe that because we believe Jesus, Satan and everyone who has ever and will ever live was with God as his Children and were the angels before the foundation of the world. Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God in the flesh or the only one to have God as his father here on earth. Nothing in John 3:16 refutes what we believe. Just to really hammer this point in. From the Book of Mormon. 2 Nephi 25:12 "But, behold, they shall have wars, and rumors of wars; *and when the day cometh that the Only Begotten of the Father,* yea, even the Father of heaven and of earth, shall manifest himself unto them in the flesh, behold, they will reject him, because of their iniquities, and the hardness of their hearts, and the stiffness of their necks." Jacob 4:5 "Behold, they believed in Christ and worshiped the Father in his name, and also we worship the Father in his name. And for this intent we keep the law of Moses, it pointing our souls to him; and for this cause it is sanctified unto us for righteousness, even as it was accounted unto Abraham in the wilderness to be obedient unto the commands of God in offering up his son Isaac, which is a similitude of *God and his Only Begotten Son."* Alma 5:48 "I say unto you, that I know of myself that whatsoever I shall say unto you, concerning that which is to come, is true; and I say unto you, *that I know that Jesus Christ shall come, yea, the Son, the Only Begotten of the Father,* full of grace, and mercy, and truth. And behold, it is he that cometh to take away the sins of the world, yea, the sins of every man who steadfastly believeth on his name." I could quote many more from the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price and all of our leaders that say Jesus is the only begotten of the Father. You tried this in another comment thread and the other guy was super confused. Everyone is going to say "he gave his only begotten son". _"the early prophets joseph smith,Brigham young ect prophesied that there were men living on the moon"_ Joseph Smith never said anything like this (the only source of Joseph Smith saying this is a late 3rd hand source, so not reliable at all). There is only one quote where Brigham Young said anything about "people living on the moon". At little context, scientific articles at the time were talking about people living on the moon and he is talking about these articles in a sermon. "We are called ignorant; so we are: but what of it? Are not all ignorant? I rather think so. Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon? When we view its face we may see what is termed "the man in the moon," and what some philosophers declare are the shadows of mountains. But these sayings are very vague, and amount to nothing; and when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the most ignorant of their fellows." Please tell me where in that quote Brigham Young is acting as a prophet and prophesied of people living on the moon. _" how can we trust them to tell you the truth? "_ Well, when you are intellectually honest and aren't making grossly exaggerated claims then it is pretty easy. _"they are always changing! We know Gods word never changes"_ There is no official doctrine that has ever changed. _"until recently they taught and believed that black people were cursed! That being black was the curse of Cain!"_ This was never official doctrine and any statement about this has been disavowed, some of which by the people who stated them. Also, so did most of the rest of the Christian world buddy.
I’m Mormon and I’m having a stroke reading this. The only one I kind of believe is 6, but this is more that Joseph smith and Brigham young liked to come up with theories about stuff, and sometimes they were wrong. Gods word is still unchanged to us, we still read KJV tons. I probably read it 3x more than the BoM If you can give me the sources from where you say these things, I’ll believe you. But seriously some of these are goofy
@octaviuswendell5857 every Mormon I have ever met omit begotten. We are brothers because we are brothers in christ. Satan was a fallen angel & Jesus is God so no way Jesus & Satan are brothers in any sense
@octaviuswendell5857 think they are goofy all you want but they are all true. The very fact you didn't know about the belief that black people were cursed tells me alot. That's not even one of the things that's denied by the church. It was changed recently as a new revelation so that shows that just because YOU didn't know something about the cult that don't mean I was wrong. Smith married and consummated his marriage with a child Horse theifing was the reason he was I jail when he was killed.
Joseph Smith was very anti Christian. He said that all the creeds of Christianity were an abomination. Christians were deceive by Satan, all wrong, anti Christ and deceived by Satan. (Regarding Joseph Smith’s alleged first vision where celestial personages appeared to him) . . . “My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right - and which I should join. I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong, and the personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight: that those professors were all corrupt . . .” (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 5-6). “What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world,” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, p. 270). (In questions directed to Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism . . . ). First-“Do you believe the Bible?” If we do, we are the only people under heaven that do, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do.” Third-“Will everybody be damned, but Mormons?” Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness.” (Teachings, page 119). Brigham Young said. . . “But He did send His angel to this same obscure person, Joseph Smith jun., who afterwards became a Prophet, Seer, and Revelator, and informed him that he should not join any of the religious sects of the day, for they were all wrong,” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, 1855, p. 171). John Taylor said . . . “We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense . . . Myself and hundreds of the Elders around me have seen its pomp, parade, and glory; and what is it? It is a sounding brass and a tinkling symbol; it is as corrupt as hell; and the Devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century,” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, 1858, p. 167).
Notice the similarities between Mormonism and Islam? An angel talks to a guy, tells him he and his followers can have all the wives they want, and that they believe in Jesus, just not The Jesus Christ revealed in Scripture. They are given a fake history that is easily disproven, but which convinced some people because of their ignorance at that time. Christianity convinces us of our sin and need for a Saviour. Islam teaches Muslims are superior and above all (including that Jews and Christians will one day go to hell in the place of Muslims) and Mormonism that you will one day be a god with your own planet. I'm sure there are plenty more similarities, but I don't think there are many people who have atudied both these cults.
they really are more different than similar. mormons are much closer to christianity than muslims are. anyone who says otehrwise, dont know either very well.
Thanks for sharing this! Different God, different Gospel, different Jesus. The Spirit in me sees Mormonism as alien, so I don't accept it either. I've had many conversations with the Mormon missionaries, and wanted to read the book in order to understand. It's uh... interesting fanfiction at best. This quote from Mark Twain really sums it up nicely; Mark Twain on the Book of Mormon, 1861 "All men have heard of the Mormon Bible, but few except the "elect" have seen it, or, at least, taken the trouble to read it. I brought away a copy from Salt Lake. The book is a curiosity to me, it is such a pretentious affair, and yet so "slow," so sleepy; such an insipid mess of inspiration. It is chloroform in print. If Joseph Smith composed this book, the act was a miracle--keeping awake while he did it was, at any rate. If he, according to tradition, merely translated it from certain ancient and mysteriously-engraved plates of copper, which he declares he found under a stone, in an out-of-the-way locality, the work of translating was equally a miracle, for the same reason. The book seems to be merely a prosy detail of imaginary history, with the Old Testament for a model; followed by a tedious plagiarism of the New Testament. The author labored to give his words and phrases the quaint, old-fashioned sound and structure of our King James's translation of the Scriptures; and the result is a mongrel--half modern glibness, and half ancient simplicity and gravity. The latter is awkward and constrained; the former natural, but grotesque by the contrast. Whenever he found his speech growing too modern--which was about every sentence or two-he ladled in a few such Scriptural phrases as "exceeding sore," "and it came to pass," etc., and made things satisfactory again. "And it came to pass" was his pet. If he had left that out, his Bible would have been only a pamphlet."
@@cryptochris9001 God was never just a man who evolved into a god. The Biblical Father as Jesus witnessed is Spirit, and must be worshipped in spirit and truth. Therefore HE has no body, and like Jesus and Holy Spirit is uncreated, eternal, omnipresent , all powerful, the only one triune GOD. None before, none after. See Isaiah 43.10 , Isaiah ch's 40-50 John 1.1, John ch.1, many more... Read the king Follet Discourse, by Joseph Smith. Take a deep dive into Mormon Doctrine and real Mormon history. READ THE BIBLE Blessings to you. 🙏🕊❤️✝️
Can you make a video about how Islam and Christianity dont worship the same God? I have Muslim friends who try to say we do and I'm trying to get him to grasp the necessity of Jesus
Abraham had at least two sons: Ishmael and Isaac are key for understanding here. What I've been told is that those of the Islamic faith believe that God's covenant with Abraham was passed through Ishmael whereas those who believe in Christ believe that God's covenant was passed through Isaac.
Well they are actually right, but its just a total different view on God and especially Jesus. In order to get somewere with them i recomment you to say Allah is just a wrong view on God.
Kind of hard to do when you share a huge chunk of scripture with Islam. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all worship "The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob".
well your muslims friends are totally wrong. I am a muslim myself and I know for nessisty that we muslims don’t worship jesus as christians do. we only worship one god he is all powerful and all-knowing and self-sufficient that doesnt need a son and is forgiving that he doesnt need to kill “himself” or “his son” to forgive us. we believe jesus was a prophet and was not crusified but saved by God and was raised to the heavens and we believe jesus the son of marry -not the son of god- is the messaia and will come back to rule this world with the word of God. Jesus is only a great prophet just like abraham, mohammad, moses, noa.. etc. we love/respect him alot but we dont worship him.
Nobody gets saved without good works, except little children. Faith requires works, otherwise Faith is dead. We will be judged not according our belief, but by what we do according to what we believe. In the end we will be judged according to our works. 2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Psalm 62:12 Also unto thee, O Lord, belongeth mercy: for thou renderest to every man according to his work. Romans one 2:6 God……..who will render to each person according to his deeds: 1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
1:52 So, essentially, Mormons believe God is an alien from another planet who became God only after “being a good Mormon?” That goes completely against Genesis 1 and John 1:1-5, at the very least.
@@rhetty1 There is no "Mormon bible". There's just the Bible plus Book of Mormon. What Genesis1:1 actually means in the original Hebrew text is the Elohim guided Jesus in the creation of Earth. Jesus was chosen by Heavenly Father to create and save Earth. Also, without the prophet Joseph Smith we likely would not know Jesus came to America after He resurrected. We wouldn't know as much about American history either.
This is tricky. Faith without deeds is dead just as a body without a spirit is dead. As the Holy Bible says, Can such faith save them?(James2:14) Faith by itself, if not accompanied by action, is dead. The problem is mistaking deeds with obedience
True faith is naturally accompanied by actions because actions are evidence of a belief. If I truly believe that education is key to having success in life and I desire success, I’ll work hard it school. If I say education is the key but I don’t try or care about my studies. It shows a disconnect. Either I truly don’t believe education is the path to success or I don’t want success. If you truly believe it Jesus, and accept what he did, it will automatically affect how you live.
You will know by their fruits, faith without works is not faith. Faith brings works by nature, it is not however the source of our salvation. Salvation preempts all our attempts at redemption. Our works cannot redeem us, only faith in Christ and acceptance of His sacrifice.
The formula is not faith +works = salvation but faith= salvation + works. We are saved by grace alone through faith in christ Jesus..therefore we can bear fruits of good works from this salvation.
Watch the documentary The Holy Bible vs Joseph Smith. Fascinating documentary that proves mormonism is false. I have a friend whose father joined the mormin religion and tried to get his daughter to join. She recommended the documentary to him. He watched it and never asked her to join again. He stayed a Mormon but he stopped asking her.
LOL That video is complete garbage and is very easily debunked. Fairmormon does a great job of completely debunking it. I also did it and from the first 17 mins. (“Which one has more authority or precedent, the bible or the Book of Mormon?”) This is a dumb question, What you are asking is the equivalent of asking which takes more precedence Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John? There are different things and lessons said in all 4 and each one is of value. Taking one of the 4 out and you would lose a lot of the message of God and story and witness of Jesus Christ. (“The abominable church is the early christian church”) That isn’t true. The abominable church is anyone, past or present, who claims to be of Christ with their lips but denies him in actions. (Matthew 7:21-23, James 2:14-26, Ephesians 2:10, Titus 1:16, Isaiah 29:13) When Joel was talking to the linguist, the linguist avoided the topic. When asked about if the bible has been corrupted he doesn’t answer and insteads talks about the Book of Mormon manuscripts. What makes it even funnier is that Joel said there are no manuscripts like it completely negates what is said in Nephi, it doesn’t. Nothing was said here that disproves what is said in Nephi. (Greg “There has been one manuscript and as it faded over time then monks would free copy it over and over again”) That is not at all how the apostasy is described in our church. This is why I don’t believe Greg is truly a member because most people would have given the answer of “the proper authority died with the apostles”. My answer would have referenced it but not anywhere close to what Greg said. This whole section is pointless when you realize Greg isn’t saying that we actually believe. And again, having no manuscripts for the Book of Mormon doesn’t disprove the claim of things not being taken out of the bible. (Joel “Would you be able to tell if monks didn’t like something they would just take it out?” Linguist “Impossible”) Yea, the linguist is false here because we know it did happen with multiple versions and is very historically accurate. The New International Version (NIV) bible and every other translation since the 1900s are the biggest examples of this. In Genesis 2:19 a translation such as the New Revised Standard Version uses "formed" in a plain past tense: "So out of the ground the LORD God *formed* every animal". The NIV's version is "Now the LORD God *had formed* out of the ground all the wild animals" to try to make it appear that the animals had already been created. Not only is the translation not correct but it misses the very point of the narrative and changes the meaning of the verse, that the animals were created in response to God's declaration that it was not good that Adam should be alone. The NIV has also changed verses to be more gender neutral, changing “mankind” into “human beings” for example. Most newer translations have been translated from the manuscripts and they don’t match older bibles. Let’s compare the NIV to the KJV KJV Luke 9:56 *“For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.* And they went to another village” NIV Luke 9:56 “Then he and his disciples went to another village.” KJV Ephesians 3:9 “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things *by Jesus Christ”* NIV Ephesians 3:9 “and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.” KJV Ephesians 5:9 “(For the fruit of the *Spirit* is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) NIV Ephesians 5:9 “(for the fruit of the *light* consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) KJV Revelations 13:1 *“And I stood upon the sand of the sea,* and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.” NIV Revelations 13:1 *“The dragon stood on the shore of the sea.* And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.” Matthew 18:11, Matthew 17:21, Matthew 23:14, Mark 7:16, Mark 9:44, Mark 9:46, Mark 11:26, Mark 15:28, Luke 17:36, John 5:3-4, Acts 8:37, Acts 15:34, Acts 24:6-8, Acts 28:29, Romans 16:24 have all been removed from the NIV and other newer translations. Mark 10:18 in the 1611 edition of the King James Version reads "why callest thou me good? There is *no man* good, but one, that is God". The phrase ‘no man’ was removed from every subsequent printing of the King James Bible even though the same Greek word that underlies the 1611 rendition (oudeis) is also translated ‘no man’ in Revelation 7:9 and 14:3 1 Corinthians 7:8 when read in english says "To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain unmarried as I am." giving the impression that he is talking to all unmarried people and widows. However, The Greek word translated "the unmarried" (agamois) has a masculine ending, meaning it can only refer to males. Unlike English, in Greek (like many other languages) words referring to people have different endings depending on whether males or females are being talked about. It is far more likely that "the unmarried" was supposed to mean widowers, men whose wives had died. This makes good sense of the masculine ending and goes well with the accompanying "widows". It makes sense that Paul would deal with widowers and widows together. Hellenistic Greek (the language in which the New Testament was written) has no word for a "widower" so the Greek word "agamos" which is found in verse 8 and translated to "the unmarried", was used instead. So verse 8 would be better translated and *understood* as "I say therefore to the widower and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I". This is saying nothing about or is to people who were never married and is saying for widows or widowers to not get remarried. Should I keep hammering this point in with researching the KJV and what King James changed or do you get it now? The way words or text are translated can affect what is being said or meant and it can only take a slight variation for a verse to lose its original meaning. This was more or less off the top of my head and with about ~15 mins of research for clarification (The last 2 paragraphs I actually had saved for other "gotch ya" questions so that is why I knew it), what do think I could find out if I actually sat here and spent the time to research? What is really frustrating is that this whole time he hasn’t even asked “What was taken out of the gospel?” or “What are the plain and precious things that were taken out?”. How can you say something wasn’t taken out or the prophecies of something being taken out is wrong when you don’t even know what you are looking for? This “conclusion” is very disingenuous and honestly a huge strawman. Here is the answer to "what was taken out of the gospel" To clarify, when the Book of Mormon talks of plain and precious things being taken out of the gosepl it isn't just meaning the bible, it is also how christians explain and teach the message of the bible. How the relationship of God and Jesus Christ is described, necessity of baptism and the proper way to do it and when you are really considered "saved", baptism for the dead/preaching to the dead, proper priesthood authority, the laying on of hands to recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost, keeping the commandments and not being a sinner and actually following Christ, exaltation, 3 kingdoms of glory, not worshipping idols (the cross and pictures/statues of Jesus Christ and Mary for Catholics), Creation ex Nihilo, Purgatory (For Catholics), God being a spirit, marriages continuing in heaven, and the importance of temples are all things that have been removed or changed or added later by creeds or you teach these things despite it going against the bible. All of this can be shown from the bible and/or history and I can very much expand on each of these points for you. The Book of Mormon is true and Nephi was a real prophet who lived anciently. The Church of Jesus Christ is God's and Jesus Christ's true church here on earth, the evidence is there to back us up but the problem is people have to look at it and/or read and understand the bible.
This is part 2 If I remember correctly it mentions Alma supposedly saying Jesus would be born in Jerusalem. Alma didn't say he would be born in the City of Jerusalem. Alma 7:10 “And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem which is *the land of our forefathers,”* The phrase “land of Jerusalem” or calling Jerusalem "the land of our forefathers" is a common phrase in the Book of Mormon and is used by its writers to refer to the place they originally came from. When they talked about the city then they said the city of Jerusalem. Alma probably didn't know any other place in Israel besides Jerusalem and was saying that Jesus Christ would be born among the Jews, who lived in and around Jerusalem. Let me put that in perspective, if I told you I lived in Kensington you most likely wouldn't know where that is and would ask "Where is that?". If I told you I lived in Washington D.C then you would have a better idea of where that is and not ask me anything. Bethlehem even during Christ's day wouldn't have been very big or all that well known, let alone to someone who lived across the world. Saying "the land of Jerusalem" isn't unique to the Book of Mormon. In 1887, some Ancient Near Eastern documents known as the Amarna letters were discovered and multiple letters say "the land of Jerusalem" . The ancient writer of El Amarna letter 290 even refers to Bethlehem as part of the land of Jerusalem. "But now even a town of the land of Jerusalem, Bit-Lahmi (Bethlehem) by name, a town belonging to the king, has gone over to the side of the people of Keilah" The phrase “land of Jerusalem” has also more recently turned up in a fragment from the Dead Sea Scrolls attributed to the prophet Jeremiah (4Q385a). In another fragment from the Dead Sea Scrolls, also related to Jeremiah (4Q389), a scholar restored the phrase “in the land of J[erusalem]” to a fragmented line. With Nephi leaving Jerusalem around the same time as Jeremiah and him having wrote down "land of Jerusalem" when referring to that land area it doesn't surprise me that people later on in the Book of Mormon used the same phrase as Nephi. These ancient sources show that the “land of Jerusalem,” is actually evidence of the historical authenticity for the Book of Mormon. I think it also mentions Joseph Smith building the temple in Missouri. The Missouri temple was a command, not a prophecy. Doctrine and Covenants 124:49 and 51 confirms this. Doctrine and Covenants 124:49 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, that when I give a commandment to any of the sons of men to do a work unto my name, and those sons of men go with all their might and with all they have to perform that work, and cease not their diligence, and their enemies come upon them and hinder them from performing that work, behold, it behooveth me to require that work no more at the hands of those sons of men, but to accept of their offerings."... 51 *"Therefore, for this cause have I accepted the offerings of those whom I commanded to build up a city and a house unto my name, in Jackson county, Missouri, and were hindered by their enemies, saith the Lord your God."* This straight up confirms, without requiring any speculation on the matter, that this was a commandment, not a prophecy, and that God mercifully rescinded it because of the Saints' literal inability to follow because of being persecuted by Missourians despite their best efforts. This isn't an apologists opinion, it is our scriptures straight up saying it was a commandment that God later revoked and has moved back to a later date when we will fulfill the commandment. Yes in D&C 84:2-5 it does say “shall”, however from the Webster’s Dictionary 1828 definition of “Shall”: “In the second and third persons [i.e., when applied to another person], shall implies a promise, command or determination. "You shall receive your wages," "he shall receive his wages," imply that you or he ought to receive them; but usage gives these phrases the force of a promise or command in the person uttering them.” Also in Matthew 24, Jesus Christ shares all of these things that will happen preceding the Second Coming, including one where the gospel would be preached in every nation on earth. And then in verse 34 Jesus says, “Verily, I say unto you, this generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled” So was Jesus Christ issuing a false prophecy here? Because we know that did not happen in the way we view the word 'generation'. Wish I could talk to that daughter... to tell her the truth of the gospel of course.
@@dylanwilliams2202 you wrote alot. However what I did read on when you talked about I may not know where Kensington is but if you said you live in Washington DC I would get an idea. What you are not realizing is the miles. Kensington is nearly 10 miles from D.C. a little far from one another while Bethlehem the city Jesus was born in and Jerusalem are 5 miles away. Not too far from one another. I live in a city where 5 miles away another city is, different city different district, and you can see the other city from a distance, making the two cities different everyone knows they are not the same even though they are so close to one another. The film The Holy Bible vs Joseph Smith, dives into these details on what makes Jerusalem and Bethlehem so different, even though they're so close.
@@HypoRealFacts I recommend you actually read what I said. _"The film The Holy Bible vs Joseph Smith, dives into these details on what makes Jerusalem and Bethlehem so different"_ LOL No it doesn't. All that happens is that he says Jerusalem and Bethlehem are different cities and ask a couple of people whether they consider them the same city. *My argument isn't that they are the same city,* it is that at the time of Jesus Bethlehem was a small village just outside of Jerusalem. Also, that historical documents call Bethlehem apart of the land of Jerusalem.
@@dylanwilliams2202 oh I see what you're saying. Okay, my fault my fault that makes sense what you are saying. The document is here on RUclips it starts on 20:11 it gives great detail at least I felt on how Bethlehem and Jerusalem are not the same. Even the Mormon professor understood how one is different from the other. Making Alma false.
Hi, I’m a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. First, I just want to say very well made video. Someone commented this gives Vox vibes and I totally agree. Also, thanks for being respectful of my faith. I appreciate positive dialogue among faiths. Second, I would like to say that there were a couple points that weren’t correct when addressing the doctrine of our faith. I know it’s hard because there is so much out there in the world that is said about us and things that are taught that are meant to paint us in a bad light and that’s just a reality we need to face as a polarizing religion. And though I can’t take the time to address all the points I feel are false I would just like to address the most important of all. I have total and complete faith in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The son of God. I know that my salvation cannot and will not come through anybody except for him (Especially myself. Though this is a common misconception believed by those who don’t know our faith well. We do not believe that we can save ourselves or even play a role in our salvation except for having faith in Jesus Christ and using our agency to choose him and his path). I believe in a loving God who created this marvelous plan and there is nothing I want more than to honor and worship him. I hope one day we might all be able to rejoice in these commonalities and no more be divided with hate toward one another. After all we all want to follow the perfect example of love. God bless
I'm told in the last page of Revelations to not add words or subtract them in the bible as it is the word of God. Having multiple sources to not only affirm a relatively recent 200 year old man's testimony is just awfully obvious it's a man made story that truly paints all Christianity in a bad light. Begs the question what angel is this Moroni really is.
Hey I'm a Christian and I go to LDS general conference in salt lake city twice a year to have conversations with yall and to try to help you understand why mormonism is wrong and how it contradicts the Bible. Have an example 2 nephi 25:23 Book of mormon For we know that it is by grace we have been saved after all we can do Ephesians 2:8-9 Holy Bible For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
@@jotomatoDeuteronomy 4:2 says the same thing. Does this mean the whole new testament is false? No, as with revelation he is talking about the specific writing. The one in revelation references revelation, and the one in Deuteronomy references Deuteronomy
“Faith without works is dead”. It’s not our works or faith which save us, it is the blood of the lamb which washes away our imperfections. But to access this we must demonstrated faith unto repentance and to show our faith, we must not just say we our followers of Christ, we need to show we are followers of Christ. Actions speak louder than words
@@carterdalby9011 “What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.” James 2:14-17 The Title before this passage says “Faith without works is dead.” So, I am going to ask you the same as you asked me. Care to explain?
@@cormundum_o Brother, faith without works is dead, but also works without faith is dead as well. To be saved from both physical and spiritual death. All people will be saved from physical death by the grace of God, through the death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ. Each individual can also be saved from spiritual death by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus Christ. This faith is manifested in a life of obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel and service to Christ.
You should read these verses from the Book of Mormon: 10 And now, my beloved brethren, and also Jew, and all ye ends of the earth, hearken unto these words and believe in Christ; and if ye believe not in these words believe in Christ. And if ye shall believe in Christ ye will believe in these words, for they are the words of Christ, and he hath given them unto me; and they teach all men that they should do good. 11 And if they are not the words of Christ, judge ye-for Christ will show unto you, with power and great glory, that they are his words, at the last day; and you and I shall stand face to face before his bar; and ye shall know that I have been commanded of him to write these things, notwithstanding my weakness. 12 And I pray the Father in the name of Christ that many of us, if not all, may be saved in his kingdom at that great and last day. 13 And now, my beloved brethren, all those who are of the house of Israel, and all ye ends of the earth, I speak unto you as the voice of one crying from the dust: Farewell until that great day shall come. 14 And you that will not partake of the goodness of God, and respect the words of the Jews, and also my words, and the words which shall proceed forth out of the mouth of the Lamb of God, behold, I bid you an everlasting farewell, for these words shall condemn you at the last day. 15 For what I seal on earth, shall be brought against you at the judgment bar; for thus hath the Lord commanded me, and I must obey. Amen. 2 Nephi 33: 10-15
@@sandy-jn5rd Long answer sorry haha. So the term is kinda mis-used sometimes. Gentiles should be used to refer to people who aren't direct descendants of Israel (Jacob). Jews is a term for jewish people and sometimes for descendants of Jacob because of the promises made by God to him and his posterity. At least that's the kind of vernacular we use in the church. But we also refer to ourselves as gentiles sometimes depending on our lineage but we don't refer to ourselves as Jews. Nice thing is that the same promises made to Israel can be made to all gentiles as well. That's what we teach. Just like in the book of Acts.
I’ll just say this. Any religion that comes after Christianity that bases its premise on Christian doctrine, twists a few stuff that they don’t agree with, and then calls themselves the true religion is a false religion. You can’t outdo the doer
Jesus himself stated there would be a falling away from his gospel, etc. The apostles wrote that it was happening in their own time. Not to mention John in Revelations stating that he saw an angel flying through the heaves with a new gospel, that was in fact fulfilling the prophecy of the restoration of His Gospel and the new teachings and knowledge that was never taught from the beginning.
@@kingimatthews4481 Maybe some people should really read the Bible, especially the New Testament with an open mind and heart. Those who make the kind of comments this is in reply to are not following His teachings and commandants. He, Himself said, "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." The simple truth is that when the last apostle died, there was no one with the authority and who held His Holy priesthood. That is why there was no more revelations, Gifts of the Spirit, etc. The only ones who had His priesthood were those who were called to their positions by the apostles and they had no authority to call anyone else to any positions.
@@cynthiacook1646 I want to pick up on revelations, an authority, if we can read Moroni ch 10 v 9, I wonder to myself how the Word of Wisdom got onto the plates of brass when clearly the revelation was given by Joseph Smith in D& C . this clearly frustrates everything from timing the dates, the authority, an the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as being the most correct book. translated from reformed egyptian , which modern scholars professors have no knowledge of the reformed egyptian.
@@cynthiacook1646 it was the Jews that put Jesus on the cross. is this their way of showing love an compassion, Jesus had done his work in the garden of gethsemane
If you're going to give a history of Mormons, pronounce the names of their figures correctly or they won't take you seriously. I'm a reformed Christian, not an LDS, but I think you're going to turn a lot of them of by pronouncing Moroni, Lamanites, Nephites, etc incorrectly.
_"I think you're going to turn a lot of them of by pronouncing Moroni, Lamanites, Nephites, etc incorrectly."_ While that is annoying, that isn't what is going to turn us away. Completely misrepresenting our beliefs will.
I'm not suprised. When Jesus walked the earth some people thought he did miracles by the power of the devil. If Jesus the only perfect human was accused of being of the devil who are we compared to him?? Jesus was hated and his only true church is hated. I know that 99% of the people who say it's not true haven't even read the Book of mormon but there's a prophecy in the book of mormon that says that everyone that believes in the Bible will believe in the Book of mormon.
Nobody goes to the church for information. It's like asking someone on the left what the people on the right believe, or on the right what the people on the left believe. All you get is regurgitated nonsense
@@clearstonewindows not what he meant. He criticized the leaders of the Mormon church, said they had to much power and were mostly interested in bossing everything.
@@lightsinthedarkness I am a member of the church of Jesus Chris of latter day saints. I would hardly describe God or his prophets as bossy or type x managers. God didn't just put us here to be bossed around and do good he put his here too love and freely choose to do good and follow Jesus Christ
"God the Father was a good Man on another Planet." He earned his status by being a "good Mormon ". Hmmm, Mormonism was here before God? My takeaway is Mormonism is belief and worshiping an Alien... technically, since God is defined as being from another planet. Thanks for the very clear explanation. I'll stick to the Trinity.
Galatians 1:8-9 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
as a latter day saint, all i have to say is, TRUE. anyone who brings a new gospel, even if its from "an angel", will be cursed. we must follow the gospel of Jesus Christ.
One critique, to say Christians believe in salvation by faith alone is not incorrect, just incomplete. Catholics, orthodox, and the ancient church’s also believe works are necessary in addition to faith. To leave that out is to leave out around 62% of all Christian’s worldwide.
I second this. I think she should have said Protestants instead when she said that Christians believe in salvation by faith alone. Catholics and Orthodox are also Christian, but they believe in faith plus works.
THe "masons" actually were only trying to perserve the "lost" rituals from Egypt, and then down to Adam (where God and Jesus - walked in the garden with Adam & Eve).
@@patrickpelletier9298 like I said from what I know - they preserved some of the old knowledge + traditions of the Egyptians. (But that even goes back more anciently to Adam)! A great and fun movie (if you haven't seen it is National Treasure) with Nicolaus Cage!
Its "so funny" a part of this video says Christians "don't believe you have to (1) be baptized (2) obey the commandments, etc.! (Which is what Jesus taught)! Real Christians follow Jesus teachings and do them! That is how to get "real salvation" (living with God + Jesus). LDS do believe in the Godhead (each is his own God) it doesn't make 3 to make "one God" but 3 gods to make one team! (if that makes sense, lol).
@@louiefence6579 since the LDS Church is a fraud that may help with your question. How would that help with the church Baptizing for the dead., a temple ordinance.
Dude, this is perfect for me! I have a ton of Mormon friends and I'm trying to evangelize them. It's very difficult because there's so many of them and all of their friends and family are also LDS so it's all they know. I pray that I can get through to at least one person and save a soul IN JESUS NAME!
Remember when dealing with the LDS they are much like Catholics, the false teachings are so ingrained and deep rooted that it takes time. So many Mormons will have to contend with losing their families and life as they know it if they leave. Don't be discouraged, educate yourself on their teachings so you can understandwhat they mean when they use similar phrases,terms & words, and most importantly, PRAY.
@@lightsinthedarknessI’m in Utah, Catholic, just moved here, man I’ve tried talking to them to learn their religion and one of em just hates when I refer to Jesus and God as the same, oh and also Mary as the Mother of God as they don’t believe Jesus is God
It’s easier to fool someone than to tell a fool they’ve been fooled. Trust in God. Two of my brothers have left the faith after being church hurt or using “morality” without God. God let me know the next day when I got this news that everything is in his hands. Pray without ceasing and God will see it through
“Faith without works is dead.” - James 2:20 KJV Fundamentally Christians believe that Christ saved us from sin. And we are saved through faith in Christ. But without works our faith is dead as is said in the Bible. There are thousands of separate Christian theology’s. A catholic can’t just say a Presbyterian isn’t Christian because they believe different things. While yes Mormons may have the most radical differences, we believe strongly in Christ as our savior. There are also many things in this video that are misrepresented.
true faith produces works. false faith (dead faith that wont save the individual) wont produce works. so if your faith isnt producing anything in your life and youre still the same as before, it is dead. if someone says he's a christian and his deeds are not good, he doesnt have a saving faith. "Therefore by their fruits you will know them." you cant meet with Christ and not be changed. your attitudes, thinking, actions and so on. if youd think Christ is your savior you'd rely only on Him and would obey Him cause He's also Lord:)
I’ve never seen the LDS faith accurately represented in these types of videos. Maybe instead of repeating the same evangelical cliff notes version of Mormonism, they should ask some LDS members what they think of Christ rather than tell them they are not Christians. As a LDS member, I’ve always been taught that we are only saved by faith in Jesus Christ. Only through his grace and mercy can we be redeemed. Nothing we can do of ourselves will redeem us from death and sin. His sacrifice is a free gift for us to claim through our faith. Our works come about as result of or as the product of our faith. Baptism is a work, and it comes about after receiving faith in Christ. It is the fruit of faith. Jesus taught “whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.” We must hear the words of Christ AND act on them. Our works are evidence of our faith in Jesus Christ as the only name under heaven wherein we can be saved. Living the gospel, which some may say is based on acts, is how we build our house on the rock and develop deeper relationship with Him and learn to be more like Him. And just as James taught that “faith without works is dead,” so is the inverse of that statement true. Works without faith are dead. The act of being baptized or partaking of the sacraments does not save you in and of itself. It must be an act motivated by faith in Christ.
“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” Romans 4:5 Faith without works is a faith that makes one righteous. Faith with works is a faith that pleases God and saves us from discipline. A dead faith is still faith. It does not disprove it's existence. Grace and works are totally separate.
Good works is a RESULT of faith, the two are not mutually exclusive. There are people who claim to have faith and do good works when they don’t truly believe. Some do good works because they feel obligated to and not because they are driven by their faith. The Bible teaches that anybody who believes in Jesus as their Lord and Savior and repents is saved. Point blank. If an atheist on their deathbed truly repents to Jesus and dies an hour later, he is saved despite not carrying out “good works”. Your interpretation of the verse is way off as it relates to salvation.
The Presbyterian church is where I grew up, and the Reformed tradition has a lot of incredible value and deep theological wisdom. I don’t personally know whether I think it is the most theologically accurate or whether i adhere to Calvinist doctrine, but I am convinced that the Presbyterian church I am at is God-honoring.
A great Christian tradition to explore. I’ve grown up Presbyterian and I’ve started looking into Anglicanism. Presbyterians will always welcome you and will always be pleased to talk about Theology with you.
@@dylanwilliams2202It is a heretical church that started with a 14 year old story-teller. This was known, is known and always will be known. Turn to Christ.
Believing that Christ died for your sins is what makes you a Christian. To say that is an insult to the millions of members. Also, the Bible makes lots of claims about the importance of faith + works: like James 2:26. “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” There’s also 2 Corinthians 9:8 “And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work.” God and his mercy are infinite, but he can’t give it to you unless you ask. Also, we believe in heaven and hell. The difference though is that we believe these are more of a sort of temporary thing. The 3 kingdom part (it’s somewhere in 1 Corinthians but I don’t remember exactly where) is the belief that these are sort of our final destinations, as where heaven and hell are more temporary. We will stay in either or until judgement day. Then we can go to one of the three kingdoms. There’s a kind of 4th one like the atheist death where god will send everyone who knew him perfectly and rejected him (demons and Cain). I hear about belief that we think God was once a “good Mormon” as this video calls it, but I’ve only ever heard of it from anti-Mormon videos. I can’t really confirm or deny this as there’s no scriptural evidence for either beleif. We also almost never read doctrine and convents or the pearl of great price. D&C is more like a record of Joseph smiths life (no clue why we have it) and the pearl of great price is seiriously only like 20-30 pages long. It’s fine if you don’t like our religion or you disagree with it, we can’t stop you. But please, love your neighbor. We’ve been bullied ever since Joseph smith started to try to preach the Book of Mormon. We have literally had a kill order on us from the state of Missouri where they called us a plague that needs to be rid of. We have been nothing short of nice and, while our beliefs may seem odd to some, don’t feed the cycle of hate.
Thank you for your sincere comment, Octavius. I thought of answering a couple things regarding our canon of scriptures: The Book of Mormon is the keystone of our religion and of our testimony to God. In the Doctrine and Covenants God revealed many of the commandments by which the church nowadays operates and adheres to (For example, the law of tithing and the Word of Wisdom) It also contains in detail the commandment of the Lord for us to build temples and the ordinances contained therein, as well as many prophetic witnesses of the Priesthood power and keys found nowadays in the church, that no other church possesses. The Pearl of Great price, although short in content, is *rich* in Spiritual truth. The book of Moses explains God's purpose and Glory: _to bring to pass the immortality and Eternal Life of man_ and insights of the creation of the world. Part of the "endowment" temple ordinance comes from here. The book of Abraham was a translation of _long_ papyri that Joseph Smith acquired, in which, among other things, a few teachings of the prophet Abraham appear: Our premortal life, our divine legacy and part of our purpose. Then you have the Joseph Smith's translation of Matthew, which brings more insight to our understanding of the last days and the many things that will happen during them. Lastly, you have the articles of faith, the core principles and beliefs that define our Latter day saint "culture" so to say. I hope it was helpful in any way. I've seen your comments and you are a wonderful defender of the faith. Have a wonderful evening 🌆
@@zbh001My testimony today in the lord has increased since we talked about the first vision and the epistle of james in sunday school. This video unfortunately has failed to put context on certain aspects of the religion but no hate! Love to my fellow neighbors and followers of Christ❤❤
*buzzer sound* wrong! Adhering to the Apostolic Creed makes you a Christian. Saying that “Christ died for sins” is only part of that - as the crisis of the Arian heresy showed. Mormons reject the most fundamental belief about God (that there is only one eternal God). They even adhere to the belief that Divine Revelation is still ongoing, which means that the LDS apostles could come out tomorrow and announce that actually Jesus *did not* die on the Cross, and the mormons would be obliged to assent to it. It’s all gnosticism dressed up in a Jesus-like veneer
Mormonism is the same as Islam, false doctrine according to the new testament - Galacians 1:6-9 - "6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel- 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!" Also.. Matthew 7:15-16 - "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them." What are the fruits of Mormonism? Directly contradicts the teachings of Christ, contradicts historical accounts, adds new teachings with regards to the nature of God not expressed previously/the afterlife/what it means to be saved. Mormonism encouraged slavery, described darker skin people as cursed and subhuman. If you are an athiest you would say that Americans, with American world views made up a bunch of new crap to justify their existing beliefs.
How is Mormonism similar to Islam? Islam literally rejects Christ's divinity and has an entirely different focus while Mormons center their faith around Jesus Christ and believe Jesus is God and He died for our sins as an eternal sacrifice. We believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ. The same one that Christian's believe. The same one that's in the Bible. It shouldn't even be a question whether Mormons are Christians, but there is a lot of misinformation out there about Mormons unfortunately(most of this video doesn't accurately represent our beliefs at all). Mormonism doesn't contradict the teachings of Christ. We literally believe in the Bible, and believe in all of Christ's teachings from the Bible. And you clearly have never read the Book of Mormon, because if you did, you would see that it clearly fits with Christian beliefs and with the teachings of Bible. And the Bible "encouraged" slavery too lol and also we aren't racist lol look at 2 Nephi 26:33 "...He inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile." I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just saying that you should probably try to understand a religion before bashing it lol And just a side note - we usually don't refer to ourselves as "mormons", that's just what people call us. It's a nickname from believing in the Book of Mormon. We're members of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints.
@@40wolfmarim95 a fact is not an opinion, there was a clear question and the clear answer is they're not Christians. The information on the video has to be regarding the reasons why they're not.
@@40wolfmarim95 do you know the Nicean creed? That sums it up. But must in Christian theology is that there's only One God, one essence but three persons, The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, three persons ONE GOD. Mormons teach there are many gods, Jesus is one God, the Father is another God, etc.
@@umatveg With all due respect, could you please show me a single Bible verse that condemns the existence of other Gods? We learn from the King Follett Discourse that we have always existed, and if we had a definite beginning, we would prove to have a definite End. God has always existed, and has always been God. Mortality, via the discourse, is compared to a ring. A ring has one eternal round, no beginning and no end. But, when you break the ring, it opens up a definite beginning and end. This is mortality. God is always eternal, but, like a broken ring, experienced mortality, chose Good, and, once ressurected, the ring was brought back together, and the ring was once more whole. If all "Gods" are eternal, then there weren't, ever, any Gods formed before or after God. We learn in Psalms 82 that we are Gods. We are the same type of being as God. Gods in embryo. No Gods were formed before or after; they have always existed. Yes, we shall have no other Gods besides the one we know, love, respect, and bring glory to; and that is as far as it goes. WE shall have no other Gods than the one we owe our mortality to now. He will always be our God, and always has been. Makes almost perfect sense to me. Sorry to offend. If you disagree or don't understand what I am saying, feel free to respond or rebutt.
This was amazing !!!! Almost got converted to Mormonism though lol as constructive Criticism id say wrap up the video by clarifying/sharing the real gospel a little more. Besides that amazing video. Very informative , I was blessed
@@Decision_Justice Thanks for asking. I’ll go through my objections to the video. At around 0:21 and 4:52, they point out that the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS is new, unlike other religions. To me, the subtext seems to be “older” = more likely to be true. By that measure, then, shouldn’t we all be followers of Zoroastrianism, the oldest monotheistic religion still around today? Our religion claims to be a restoration religion; through modern prophetic revelation, God restored many practices and truths and authority that had been present in the early Christian church but had since been lost. By the way, early Christians believed in tritheism. The concept of the triune God and the trinity is a product of the Nicene Creed. We reject post-New Testament creeds because we believe God’s revelation through prophets is the source of truth, and the organizers of those creeds were not prophets. See: David L. Paulsen, “Early Christian Belief in Corporeal Deity: Origen and Augustine as Reluctant Witnesses,” Harvard Theological Review 83, no. 2 (1990): 105-16. For the increasing complexity of creedal formulations over time, see J. Stevenson, ed., Creeds, Councils and Controversies: Documents Illustrating the History of the Church, AD 337-461, rev. ed. (London: SPCK, 1989). Lost Christianities: The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew (New York: Oxford University Press, 2005) 1:55: this idea of the origin of God comes originates from the King Follett Discourse, a sermon by Joseph Smith, which was not canonized. While we do believe that humans can become like God through the atonement of Jesus Christ (as did early Christians), we don’t have much official doctrine about who God was before humanity existed. To say that “he was a man on another planet who became a god by being a good Mormon” is very reductive. Early Christians also believed in deification, or the ability of the faithful to become like God. See: Norman Russell, The Doctrine of Deification in the Greek Patristic Tradition (2004), 6. Irenaeus, “Against Heresies,” in Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, eds., The Ante-Nicene Fathers: Translations of the Writings of the Fathers Down to A.D. 325 (1977), 1:526. 2:07 The video claims that we believe that a combination of faith and works saves us. Again, this is reductive and misrepresentative. We believe that JESUS saves us. Nothing we do can actually be redemptive; we believe that Christian conduct and priesthood ordinances bring the power of God into our lives, but they are not what save us in themselves. It also really bothers me when they say “good Christians know that salvation comes from faith alone.” This is a good way to reduce centuries of theological debate into a single phrase. The question of faith vs works continues to be debated in many branches of Christianity, so saying “good Christians know” seems to be really Protestant-specific. Are Catholics not Christians because they have sacraments? What about Orthodox Christians? 2:35 we believe that even those who reject God will be given some degree of glory in the afterlife. Our concept of heaven and hell, with the three degrees of glory, is also more profound and complex than this is making it seem. www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/kingdoms-of-glory?lang=eng#p8. www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/hell?lang=eng www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/76?lang=eng#p27 3:20 we do not believe that being in a specific place saves you. Not a single one of us would claim that. Today, we define “Zion” not as a place but as “the pure in heart,” wherever they are found across the globe. 3:30 they present John 14:4-7 as if it’s a refutation to what we believe. We treasure this verse, as well as the entire Bible, and fully believe that Jesus is the way, the truth, the life. As I said earlier, we believe Jesus saves us, not our works. 3:47 it’s true we believe in more than the Bible. We have an open canon; technically, other documents could be canonized in the future as well. This is because we believe the arbiter of truth is God via prophetic revelation, not the Biblical text itself. The Biblical text is one of many revelatory texts written by prophets of God. We reject the doctrine of Sola Scriptura. See: The Formation of the Christian Biblical Canon, rev. ed. (Peabody, MA: Hendrickson, 1995), 254-56. www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/bible-inerrancy-of?lang=eng#title28 3:53 implying that you’re only a Christian if you use the same vocabulary as… U.S. Protestants. Again, what about all the other branches of Christianity that use different phrases to talk about the gospel? 4:26 we do not believe that missionary service earns you a better spot in the afterlife. Big misrepresentation. It’s a voluntary service we do out of love for God and desire to share, but we don’t believe it has any bearing whatsoever on our salvation. 5:02 there’s a surprising amount of historical evidence for the Book of Mormon. You’d be surprised. See: S. Kent Brown, “New Light from Arabia on Lehi’s Trail,” in Echoes and Evidences of the Book of Mormon, edited by Donald W. Parry, Daniel C. Peterson, and John W. Welch (Provo, Utah: Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies, 2002), 81-83. H. Curtis Wright, "Ancient Burials of Metal Documents in Stone Boxes: Their Implications in Library History," The Journal of Library History, Vol. 16, No. 1, Libraries & Culture I (Winter, 1981), pp. 48-70. David S. Hyman, A Study of the Calcareous Cements in Prehispanic Mesoamerican Building Construction (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University, 1970), ii, sec. 6, p. 7. I can give more if you like.
One question. Do you really believe that God was a man from other planet, that became "god" by living a mormon type of life, as was stated in the video?
Actually, Latter-day Saints are Christians. And we do believe in the Trinity as you describe it. Jesus describes how the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one. In John 17:22, Jesus prays to the Father concerning his apostles, and He says, “that they may be ONE, _even as_ WE are ONE.” In other words, in the same exact way the Father and the Son are one, he is praying that the Twelve may be one. It’s the Father God? Yes. It’s the Son God? Yes. Is the Holy Spirit God? Absolutely. Are all three manifestations of a single God? No. That would be modalism, as God would be acting in different modes. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one in the Godhead, acting as one. Regarding the three degrees of glory, you are assuming to put into ten seconds of what took more than an hour to reveal. The scriptures teach that in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. Thus it was that the vision was given to two men, Joseph Smith and a former Cambellite preacher, who, when he first read from the Book of Mormon, slammed it down on the table next to him, saying he didn’t believe a word of it! Later, he received a spiritual witness of it and joined the church, becoming a great orater and defender of it, but making Alexander Campbell a lifelong enemy of the church. Why did the Lord choose the Campbellite preacher, Sidney Rigdon, to be one of the two to receive the vision? Because, I think, Rigdon was coming into the church with many preconceived beliefs about heaven and hell. There were others in the room at the time, seeing nothing. One of these, however, while not seeing the vision itself, saw the light, or glory from the vision. You can read the vision here: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/76?lang=eng&id=1-4#title_number1. The apostle Paul also taught there would be _three levels of glory_ in the resurrection. On Earth, there are mammals, birds and fish, and in the heavens, there are the Sun, the Moon and the Stars. And even as one star differs from another in glory, “so also is the resurrection of the dead.” (See 1 Cor. 15:39-42) If there is only one Heaven and one Hell, why would Paul teach there are many glories in resurrection? And do not the wicked suffer in Hell? To to the latter question, yes, they do suffer in Hell. We just don’t believe they suffer forever, but rather, that Hell is remedial in nature. It takes wicked men and makes them see their wickedness. “For behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would repent. But if they would _not_ repent they must suffer even as I; which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit - and would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrink, nevertheless, glory be to the Father, and I partook and finished my preparations unto the children of men.” (D&C 19) The suffering in Hell, while temporary, is not to be taken lightly. For the Lord said, “and by my anger...your sufferings be sore - how sore you know not, how exquisite you know not, yea, how hard to bear you know not.” (D&C 19) To think that GOD would torture anyone for _eternity_ does not reflect favorably on Him, for He is just, merciful and loving, and torturing anyone for eternity doesn’t make accomplish anything. How would it _help_ those in Hell? (Joseph Smith once said that in Hell, man is his own tormentor.) Imagine Hitler having to witness, even experience, the lives, from birth to death, of each person he murdered in his death camps. And this in the God’s context. This is Hell. Those in Hell will suffer throughout the Millennium. And just as in the three glories of resurrection, when Adam fell, the Earth entered the telestial phase, or lowest part of its existence, likened to the Stars✨. During the Millennium, it will enter the terrestrial phase, compared to the Moon🌜. Finally, after the resurrection of the unjust at the end of the Millennium, the Earth will be _fully_ cleansed and glorified, becoming like the Sun 🌞 in glory, and all corruptible aspects will be burned. Those in Hell will be redeemed, resurrected and will enter a Kingdom of Telestial glory. But first they must suffer for their own sins. Finally, yes, the Latter-day Saints believe the couplet, “As man is, God once was; as God is, man may become.” It would take too long to to treat this with the depth it deserves, but ask yourselves: Why is it that man in God’s Image? But that’s not the real question, is it? There real question is, why is God in _man’s_ image? If man is in God’s Image, the reverse also is true. So why does God have a head, hands, face, arms, feet and so forth? Why does the Great God of Heaven have an image that is terrestrial (earthly) in nature? He created us to look like Him. But wait, isn’t God everywhere? Doesn’t He fill the immensity of Space and Time like your diagram? Yes, if you’re a Catholic or a Protestant who came out of Catholicism. That teaching goes all the way back to the patristic era, but it _doesn’t_ go back to the _apostolic_ era! And that’s the problem. Another problem is this, and buckle up for this one: If Adam is in God’s Image, in whose image was Eve created in? Moses writes that GOD (Elohim plural for “God”) created man, “male and female,” in His Image. Is it not possible that there is a female element to the plural “GODs”? Check out the following on this topic: ruclips.net/video/oofLW2eunGo/видео.html&pp=ygULTGRzIHRoZW9zaXM%3D www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_theosis.shtml An Orthodox Christian view: m.ruclips.net/video/Py6tzgW27ow/видео.html&pp=ygULTGRzIHRoZW9zaXM%3D =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= 🎥 VIDEOS =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= ruclips.net/video/5yjKSaegLJg/видео.html ruclips.net/video/A_g3tRBoxg4/видео.html ruclips.net/video/EOPFob0cjfw/видео.html ruclips.net/video/7_xbqr5WZ_o/видео.html ruclips.net/video/B-XC05DHH2w/видео.html ruclips.net/video/Mm-AXJNXiB8/видео.html ruclips.net/video/4LdR7BoI6F0/видео.html ruclips.net/video/p9fYEzmKZQQ/видео.html .......
Jesus Christ built his church 2,000 years ago through his apostles whom he ordained and guided by revelations. Why are there now thousands of “Christian churches” with differing doctrines of salvation based on their own interpretations from the Bible? This is proof that the gospel had been perverted and needed to be restored in these latter days in preparation for the second coming of Jesus Christ. The true gospel has been restored and began to be preached since 1830 by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The restored Church has a missionary arm like no other in the world, now (2023) with over 70,000 full-time missionaries serving freely to preach the RESTORED GOSPEL in 160 countries. The church is preparing the saints and the world for the second coming of Jesus Christ.
Imagine Dragons lead singer Dan Reynolds and guitarist Wayne Sermon were Mormons themselves. Dan Reynolds is now an ex-Mormon and is not religious, but recent Imagine Dragons songs seem to be hinting that Dan is looking for his faith. Wayne Sermon is also now an ex-Mormon and currently an atheist
God bless you Sister! Short answer, No I am YHWH, and there is no one else. Besides me, there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not known me; that they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is no one besides me. I am YHWH, and there is no one else. (Isaiah 45:5-6) This is what YHWH, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, YHWH of Armies is his name, says: “I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God. Who is like me? Who will call, and will declare it, and set it in order for himself, since I established the ancient people? Let them say the things that are coming, and declare what will happen. (Isaiah 44:6-7) Christians only worship one God, not multiple gods like Mormonism. This is the testimony of the Patriarchs, Prophets and the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth-as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”- yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. (1 Corinthians 8:5-6)
Most old testament scholars (both Jewish and Christian) agree that Isaiah 43:10 and all the other Isaiah verses are asserting the supremacy, authority, and superiority of Yahweh and a warning to not worship another God, not meaning there are literally no other Gods. When this verse and all the other ones are read in context then it is clear that Isaiah's reference to forming god is speaking of graven images of metal and/or wood. Isaiah 44:8-18 makes it abundantly clear it is talking about idolatry. When Yahweh said there aren't any "gods" before or after Him, He is referring to an Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent, Benevolent Ruler to whom man should direct their worship towards. This is further proven when Isaiah 47:8-10 depicts the city of Babylon as saying "Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and *none else beside me;* I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children: For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and *none else beside me."* There were very much other Cities besides Babylon during this time, one being Jerusalem. The old testament is filled with references of other Gods and us even becoming Gods. Deuteronomy 10:17 "For the LORD your *God is God of gods* and Lord of lords".Psalms 82:1 “God has taken his place in the divine council; *in the midst of the gods* he holds judgment” and Psalm 86:8 *“There is none like you among the gods,* O Lord, nor are there any works like yours.” _"Christians only worship one God, not multiple gods like Mormonism."_ LOL A Catholic saying we are polythiestic? That is hilarious. We are Henothiestic, not polythiestic. Catholics have no say in this because you all worship Mary (and the rest of the saints). You can deny it all you want but Catholics in Central and South America will have pictures and statues of Mary and pray to her statue. The pope prayed to a statue of Mary to stop the pandemic and the war/conflict between Russia and Ukraine. Catholics have many prayers that you can recite that start by calling on Mary and talking to Mary so she can intercede on our behalf with God. If you are bowing down and praying to Mary for help and having religious rites to honor Mary then that is the definition of worship. Mary is wonderful and deserves recognition but she should not be worshiped and she does not play any role in heaven or mediating or interceding on our behalf with God and Jesus Christ. You saying that the prayers are through Jesus Christ doesn’t mean anything, we are directed to pray only to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ. There is no place in the Bible that even closely resembles anything like what Catholics say about Mary. Mary wasn't talked about in letters by early church fathers like how modern catholics do until 295 AD. The veneration (worship) of Mary didn't start in roughly the fifth century. There is no evidence of Christians worshiping saints or Mary before the fourth century. By the 13th century, with the influence of Francis of Asissi and Bernard of Clairvaux, the Catholic Church began to make the veneration of Mary a large part of the Catholic Church. It was in the 13th century that the phrase “Hail Mary, full of grace” was first used. Your traditions are not a part of biblical theology. Worshiping Mary, the cross or a picture or statue of Christ (or anything else) goes against the 2nd commandment “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them…” Exodus 20:4-5 and Deuteronomy 5:8-9. Also, you are not Apostolic. We know more apostles were called from Acts 1:26 with Matthias and with Paul and Barnabas being called apostles in Acts 14:14 and Paul introducing himself as an apostle of the Lord in all his letters and saying he was *ordained* an Apostle in 1 Timothy 2:7. Ephesians 2:20 says the church is built on the foundation of apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ being the cornerstone. Paul is saying that the priesthood foundation of the household of God includes apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ being the cornerstone. Again, Ignatius of Antioch wrote “Let all reverence the deacons as Jesus Christ, and the bishop as the Father; and the presbyters [elders] as the Sanhedrin of God, and college of the apostles. Without these, there is no church.” In other words, in God’s and Jesus Christ’s true church there will be apostles and prophets found. The reverse is also true, a church without apostles and prophets is not the true church of God and Jesus Christ. This has been true since the apostles died, not just the church from 33 AD till around 120 AD. To say otherwise goes against the Bible and God’s word. Once having Apostles or Apostolic authority ~2000 years ago means nothing now since you don’t have them or it anymore. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. The Catholic Church is nothing but the first apostate church filled with false teachings and idolatry and has no claim of authority.
Remember, Christianity is a relationship with the savior As a member, that’s my focus As a convert, I still don’t know why that’s confusing to people. My favorite is, it’s a different Jesus lol! So funny
Wow. I don't know if the girl is from a different country, but she didn't even try to pronounce Nephites, Lamanites, or Zion correctly. No, the LDS church does not adhere to the Nicene creed. We believe in a social Trinity, not "tritheism," which is honestly a term that could be used against all Christians. And the Book of Mormon musical was written by two atheists to satirize our entire religion. It does NOT represent what our church does at all. Why do Protestants turn to atheists to bash on our religion? If you really want to play from that angle, you can't prove any religion is true with empirical evidence. Protestantism only exists because of the printing press, otherwise we would all be Catholic. There is no proof that Protestantism is the one true faith. Good luck evangelizing Utah.
Absolutely not Christians Joseph Smith: "We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see." You have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you. “Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one! Deuteronomy 6:4 “Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me." Isaiah 43:10 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me. Isaiah 44:6 NASB1995 Mormons teach Jesus is Lucifers brother All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. John 1:3 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. Colossians 1:16-17 Jesus created all things including lucifer Joseph smith false prophecy He predicted in1835 the coming of the Lord ,which is nigh-even fifty six years should wind up the scene. This did not happen "I firmly believe that there will be some of this generation who shall be living when this temple is reared and I do not believe that the lord has bound himself to accomplish the matter within 100 years from 1832 I have full confidence in the word of the lord and that is shall not fail " After 140 years the Mormon church itself admitted this was a false prophecy When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. Deuteronomy 18:22 NASB1995 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed! Galatians 1:8-9 The Jesus of jospeh smith is not the Jesus of Scripture you must repent on this cult and turn to saving faith in the True Jesus of the Word of God
name calling aside, I did learn a lot from the comments section, denying, confirming, and adding to this video. And also about Islam, and Hindu ! and Freemasons ! And some more on the protestant v catholic v orthodox row. All discussions here are interesting, but dry and lacking in context. Come watch The Chosen series for a break, it’s a good chicken soup for the soul. If you need a good cry and some laughs. Then come back here and argue some more.
Many of the audience here is Christian, so I would like to respectfully ask you something. How would you feel if someone who had never read the Bible started misrepresenting what you believe in? Like if they said "Christians believe in talking donkeys and magic sticks" as if that is meant to accurately and fully describe your beliefs? If anyone reads this please watch the latest General Conference. Listen to the Prophet and actually understand what we, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, actually believe and teach. I don't care who calls us Christian or not. We believe in Jesus Christ and that everyone can be saved if they follow him, believe in his name, and listen to his words in the New Testament, Book of Mormon, and Doctrine and Covenants. I respect your firm faith in what you believe in, and we don't believe you are going to hell at all. If we would all please love and respect each other just like Jesus would, maybe we could actually get somewhere instead of furiously typing on a screen. That goes to everyone reading this; Mormon, Christian, anyone. If Jesus were here today, would he be arguing in a random comment section or kindly teaching all of God's children with love?
Ex-mormon here, attended BYU Provo, studied the texts in detail, worked in the MTC. Now a follower of the true Christ and a believer in the real, saving gospel. This video is accurate and does not misrepresent LDS teachings. The LDS church is not Christian. Furthermore, if an atheist attacked my faith with misrepresentations, it wouldn't bother me at all. Because my faith is logical. It's grounded in history and reason, and can be defended. It's not based on my emotions or wishful thinking.
@@Decision_Justice Let's see, that was how many years ago? 1,2,3...50 or more! There are many different theories as to why that happened. It may have been because the church needed to grow quickly, so they had multiple wives for that reason It may have been because many of the single women's husbands had been killed and they needed support It may have been because one of the leaders misinterpreted a revelation (yes ofc it's possible) It may have been something completely different. God works in mysterious ways. Not every single man was asked to do that. Yes, some men became depraved and twisted the words, which is how we have (or hopefully had) the FLDS. Yes, we all hate that that happened, even though we didn't live it.
@@toethegangsta Even the very bible added on to itself! (Because not all of it was put into "chronological order")! Many books according to that logic would not be in it (as the bible is really a "compilation" ) of books together in one. What it really meant is also was not to "take away" which was done many times (especially in Rome) hundreds of years later. One "true concept' that was taken away was actually documented (for doing this) 400 ad, the teaching of "pre-mortal life" when we lived with God (the father) and Jesus Christ before the world was created! We lived with them and agreed to come to Earth and have Jesus as our Savoir (we were all there, you and me)!
You guys just fundamentally misunderstand our religion. If you want to know why, please ask me. We don't believe in works based salvation, or that you need to live in independence missouri, or that God lived on another planet and was a "good mormon." These are all very skewed misunderstandings of the religion.
No you are not Christians. The Bible says in Galatians 1:8-9 KJV: “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Mormons preach a different Gospel
The Gospel that scripture is referring to is the Gospel of Jesus Christ, ie: that it is only thru Him that we are saved. This is also the Gospel that "Mormons" believe and preach.
@@garretlevi Mormons believe that Lucifer and Jesus are brothers, each had a plan for man's salvation, and they decided to use Jesus' plan. You believe that the shedding of his blood in the garden was the atonement but it was his actual DEATH that accomplished salvation because the wages of sin is DEATH. Mormons believe that man can become god, as God the Father was also once a man but is now exalted. You believe that God physically had sex with the Virgin Mary whereas Christians believe that the Holy SPIRIT caused her to become pregnant. You also believe that the atonement is insufficient for salvation and that you need to add works. Christians understand that the atonement is sufficient and that works help to improve our own (saved) spiritual being and also are the fruits of our spirit.
@@garretleviI and my Father are one. [John 10:30] Mormons go against this verse by believing in a tritheism instead of trinity. So they clearly go against the gospel teaching a different one. Smith is being decieved by the fallen angel/demon.
@@cani_caiado1586 LOL You are misquoting John 10:30. Jesus Christ does the Father's will and His (Jesus Christ) will is subjected to the Father making him both the Son and the Father or one. The Father because He acts and speaks on His behalf and the son because he is the literal flesh or Son of God. This is also expressed in John 17:21-23 where *Jesus says he wants us to be one with Him and the Father as they are with each other.* Unless you want to say that we are going to become part of the Trinity. The trinitarian view of God (3 persons 1 being) is not found in the Bible. No verse describes God as 3 persons 1 being in the Old or New Testament, if God was like that then wouldn't you think it would have been explicitly mentioned? It doesn't say that and no honest reading of the Bible would lead you to conclude that God is 3 persons 1 being and every Biblical scholar of all denominations agrees with that. The Bible claims Jesus Christ is Lord (Romans 10:9, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Philippians 2:11) and the Son of God (Matthew 3:17, Matthew 17:5, John 10:36, John 20:31, Acts 9:20), He is our mediator with God (1 Timothy 2:5), He said that God the Father is greater (John 14:28) and that God was his God (John 20:17), He wanted us to be one with Him and God as they are with each other (John 17:21-23). Paul very clearly tells us that to us there is one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 8:6). No where in the Bible does it describe God and Jesus Christ like how you all do and there is no verse in the bible to back up your pagan belief and to explain it you have to use sources that came centuries later.
Y’all literally are not followers of Christ and the Word of God proves it! “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.” Galatians 1:8-12 KJV Don’t be fooled just because the name of Jesus is used in that book doesn’t mean it’s talking about the true and living God Jesus Christ, the word of God data satan himself appears as an angel of light( 2Corin.11:14) and the Lord Jesus says if someone says heres Christ or there believe him not because many false Christ and false prophets will arise.(Matt.24:23-24) I encourage everyone following this false narrative/doctrine of man to repent and turn to Christ Jesus to be a true follower of his/true Christian for he alone is the only way!
Holy Canoli, so much misinformation. For the sake of everyone here, let’s fact check some of this: 0:00 - 0:15 the question was “are mormons Christian,” not “are Mormons just like any other Christian denomination.” Those are very different questions, and right off the bat you make some bad assumptions. First off, Mormonism is not 1 denomination, it’s a tradition spanning over 100 denominations. The predominant denomination, the one you are talking about throughout this video, is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which has roughly 17 million members. Now is that denomination just like all the other Christians denominations? No. They claim to be the only true and living church on earth, all others having become heretical and ineffectual, so everyone on all sides agrees that they’re not in the same boat there. But are they Christians? Yes, obviously. Latter-day Saints are disciples of Christ who have entered into covenant with him by being baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. They are even ritually anointed as part of their covenant with God (literally christened), that is where the term Christian originates, it referred to those who were christened as followers of the messiah (both Christ and Messiah mean anointed one). As for if they believe in the same God, you’re bringing a lot of assumptions and philosophical baggage into that question that you need to explain. What do you mean by “the same God.” Latter-day Saints believe in the God and Jesus that are described in the Bible. The same God who hears and answers the prayers of other Christians. There is no definition of “Christian” that excludes Mormonism that would not exclude several other Christian traditions that everyone agrees is Christian. Especially because there are Nicene denominations of Mormonism. So unless your definition of Christian is “a believer of Christ that also rejects everything related to Joseph Smith,” then you must admit that Mormons are Christians. Furthermore, it is begging the question of, “Which groups are truly Christian?” To arbitrarily declare that your particular group are the true Christians and therefore you get to define the term and gatekeep the other 2 billion professed Christians in the world. 0:20 - 0:40 for those wondering, this means the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is older than every Protestant denomination in the US except for the Episcopal Church and the Amish (which isn’t really a denomination). So it’s older than every Baptist Convention, every Methodist Church, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Reformed etc. as well as being older than the entire traditions of The JWs, Adventists, Pentecostals, Charismatics, and Evangelicalism. All those churches and traditions were formed after Joseph Smith organized the Church of Jesus Christ, and none of those churches has any line of authority that can be traced back to Christ. In addition, the top 10 Bible translations are as follows: NIV, ESV, NLT, CSB, KJV, NKJV, RV, NIrV, NRSV, and NASB. Of these, all but the KJV are only about 50 years old at most and are constructed from texts not discovered until long after the Book of Mormon was published. So both the Church of Jesus Christ and their scriptures are much older than Protestant churches and scriptures. But if what you meant to say was that Mormonism can’t trace it’s religious traditions and theology to before Joseph Smith, that would also be wrong. Just like all Christian groups, Mormonism traces its roots all the way back to the Old Testament. And particularly Mormon theological traditions such as proxy baptism and henotheism trace back to long before the ecumenical councils and the reforms of Josiah: the two theological movements that form the foundations of Nicene Christianity. So by all accounts, Mormon denominations, scriptures, and theology are all just as old if not much older than that of Protestantism. People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. 0:45 - 0:48 Moroni is pronounced more-own-eye, this just shows you haven’t done any actual research much less ever spoken to a real Latter-day Saint. You have no idea what you’re talking about have no credibility to speak on it. 1:05 - 1:15 again, more misinformation to show you don’t know what you’re talking about. The Lamanites (pronounced laymen-nights, not only do you mispronounce this, but it’s not even spelled correctly later in the video) do not defeat the Nephites (knee-fights) in fact, the Nephites win most of their wars prior to Christ’s coming. 1:30 - 1:43 while the Latter-day Saint doctrine of the Godhead is in some ways analogous to tritheism, it is an unrelated doctrine and exists completely outside the paradigm of trinitarianism. 1:46 - 1:52 that’s word for word how an average Latter-day Saint would describe their conception of the Godhead. On a related note, there are some Mormon denominations like the Community of Christ (quarter million members) that are explicitly Nicene and trinitarian in their theology. Would you say that the Community of Christ is Christian, or would you just find another excuse to gatekeep them? 1:51 - 1:58 this is not what the Church of Jesus Christ teaches. You’re getting this information from an anti-Mormon propaganda film called the Godmakers, which you clipped earlier in the video. Shame on you for spreading pernicious propaganda instead of doing your research. The Church of Jesus Christ has no official teaching regarding the life of God the Father prior to the creation of earth, only maintaining that at one point he incarnated in the flesh the same as Jesus did, this teaching is derived from John 5:19. As a side note, if you knew anything about Mormonism, you would realize how ridiculous of a statement “by being a good Mormon he attained the status of God” is. Again, “Mormon” is not the name of the religion, it’s the Church of Jesus Christ. Mormon is the name of the prophet/historian who compiled the scriptural records of his people and wrote the Book of Mormon. God the Father couldn’t be a “Mormon” because Mormon wouldn’t be born until the 4th century AD. That’s like saying “By being a good Lutheran, Jesus attained the status of Christ.” Imagined if you went upto a Lutheran and said, “you’re not a Christian, you’re a Luther, and Luthers aren’t Christians,” or, “you’re not an Israelite, you’re a Moses.” Mainstream Christianity was born out of the early Pauline tradition. Does that mean that Christians are actually Pauls and not Christians? Or that Catholics are actually Peters? Islam is an Abrahamic religion, does that mean they’re Abrahams and not Muslims, oh wait maybe they’re called Qurans? Because that’s what it sounds like when you call Latter-day Saints Mormons. 1:58 - 2:03 Latter-day Saints also believe that God was God for eternity. 2:07 - 2:25 Wrong. Strictly speaking, the Church of Jesus Christ teaches that Salvation comes by the grace of God alone through the Atonement of Jesus Christ unto the resurrection of the dead. Works like the saving ordinances of Baptism are matters of Sanctification. Your status in the afterlife is a matter of who you are and what you want, and not a matter of what you did and did not do because Christ’s grace already covers all that. Furthermore, the vast majority of Christians do not believe that we are saved by faith alone, largely because the Bible outright says we are not saved by faith alone (James 2:24). Even the people who espouse the teaching of Sola Fide aren’t actually consistent about it, because they don’t believe we’re saved by Faith alone, they also believe that we’re saved by grace, and that we’re saved by God’s works, and that we’re saved by God’s love. That’s like four things. If God didn’t love us, we would be doomed, so God’s love has saved us. If God didn’t perform the atonement, we would be doomed, so God’s works saved us. Same with God’s grace. That’s a lot of things saving us other than faith. 2:25 - 2:38 mostly nit picks here, but the it just continues to show you don’t know what you’re talking about. In Mormonism, when you die you go to the spirit world (sheol/hades in the Bible). People in the spirit world exist in one of two states of being, either they experience Paradise or Prison/Hell (Luke 16:22-26) At the second coming of Christ, everyone is resurrected and on judgement day they choose which of the three kingdoms of heaven they’re best suited for. Those who hate God so much they refuse any form of heaven will go to Outer Darkness (the Lake of Fire). 2:43 - 2:46 You are aware that that 2 Nephi 12:2 is directly quoting Isaiah 2:2, right? I don’t see how you could have missed that, it literally says so in the chapter heading. So why did you label the verse 2 Nephi 12:2 instead of Isaiah 2:2? Gonna go out on a limb and say you didn’t want to give Latter-day Saints any biblical credibility for this belief of theirs and wanted to frame it as some kooky cultish prophecy invented by the Book of Mormon instead of showing that this is a normal thing that all Christians believe. 2:45 - 2:48 no, the world is not going to end “anyday now.” Like all Christians, Latter-day Saints are awaiting the signs of the times as prophesied by the book of revelation, which must be fulfilled before the second coming of Christ. Latter-day Saints aren’t anymore apocalyptic than your average Christian.
3:06 - 3:13 one of the worst butcherings of Latter-day Saint history I’ve seen. First, the saints were not kicked out by the locals, the governor of the state ordered that the Mormons were to be *exterminated.* Why? Well aside from religious bigotry owing to the idea that “Mormons obviously aren’t real Christians,” there was just the matter that they were becoming too numerous, too powerful, they were hard workers, and they were organized, new towns popping up left and right, and worst of all, they were opposed to slavery. Well you see Missouri was a slave state, and the anti-slavery politics of the saints was a threat to that status quo, so Governor Boggs gave his best impersonation of Pharaoh from Exodus and ordered they be dealt with, *permanently.* The resulting massacres like those at Haun’s Mill ended with Latter-day Saint cities burned to the ground while their women and children were raped before being slaughtered to join the corpses of their husbands and fathers strewn about the streets. The saints were forced to flee to the Illinois swamplands where many of the survivors still died from mosquitoes spreading disease. Nevertheless, they called it Nauvoo, which is Hebrew for “Beautiful Place,” and in a few short years they turned those swamplands into the biggest and most peaceful city in Illinois, bigger than Chicago. Of course it couldn’t last, the mob still wanted it’s pound of flesh, so Joseph Smith is assassinated after a few years. After that Nauvoo is sacked as the Saints are forced to once again leave all their property behind to set out on the 3,000 mile journey across the plains to settle in the desert in the middle of nowhere in order to escape the USA and form their own society in Salt Lake City. 3:11 - 3:18 While it is true that the USA has the highest population of Latter-day Saints, the highest concentration would be in the pacific island nations like the Tonga where it is the largest religion in the area with the most members per capita. 3:18 - 3:31 ignoring for now that what the narrator said did not match at all with the message of the verse shown, you do know that Latter-day Saints also believe in the Bible right? They believe that Jesus is the way and that no one comes to the father except through him. You’re arguing against a straw man caricature that doesn’t exist, and it’s not going to do anyone any good when they actually speak to a real Latter-day Saint and realize that they’re Christians and believe in the Bible like anyone else. 3:46 - 3:57 first, about your graphic. As I mentioned earlier, “Lemanites” is misspelled, which shows how much effort you put into accurately representing Latter-day Saints. Also, you include tritheism in the Mormonism bubble. The problem is that no Latter-day Saint ever talks about Tritheism, that’s a trinitarian label that you put on them. That’s your word, not theirs. Furthermore, while there are significant differences between Mormonism and Nicene Christianity, that doesn’t mean that Latter-day Saints aren’t Christians. They have a real saving faith in Christ and spend their lives living his commandments and doing good to their fellow man. Think of the parable of the Good Samaritan. Jews and Samaritans had a lot more differences between them than Latter-day Saints and Protestants do. Those guys hated each other. And yet Christ held up a Samaritan as the example of what men are to do to inherit eternal life. There are tens of thousands of Protestant denominations, and none of them can agree with each other about all sorts of important issues, so of course they’re not going to agree with everything Mormonism teaches. Bottom line is that they have more in common than they have differences. We’re all on the same side. Christ said that he who is not against us is on our part. So, are Mormons Christians? I’ll leave you with the parable of the Good Samaritan. Which of these was neighbor unto the downtrodden, and which will receive Eternal life because of it? How have you been a neighbor? Have you loved your enemies? How are you treating the Samaritans in your life? I’ll let you decide.
The Church of Jesus Christ LDS is true Christianity. Bible based religion or traditional Christianity is an attempt to approximate or counterfeit Christianity according to the Biblical record. This attempt is reflected in the tens of thousands of differing denominations in the tradition. Each one is different from the next in owing to the interpretations of the founders of each denomination. So collectively, traditional Christianity is discordant babel, due to teaching tens of thousands of different gospels and Christs. The Bible, which teaches one Christ and one gospel, by virtue of the difference between its one path and the many paths of tradition, stands as a silent witness against this marketplace of counterfeiters. Yet they all wave it as their true validation. In so doing, it is a classic bait and switch technique, like flashing a badge to gain entry. They quote the Bible which is someone else's testimony because they have no testimony or knowledge of their own of God. They know about God, but they don't know God. They think that knowing the biblical scriptures makes them men of God, as if eating raw meat could make one a lion. One must first be a lion or a man of God beforehand for the food to be of effect. They are only men of words , not of God. Paul said that Satan can appear as an angel of light. This is essentially the character of traditional Christianity in the collective, because it pretends to represent God. Their leaders call themselves to Gods service, as if to dispossess God of his free agency to choose his servants. Who takes that tact with a God whom they supposedly love? There is no authority, authenticity, validity, or salvation in all of traditional Christianity. When Jesus said, "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." he was clearly referring to pretenders, whom he never knew and who never knew him. Their iniquity is their presumption, their claiming of authority not given, misleading the people, and persecuting his true sheep.
No you're not. Good try though. Galatians 1:8 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. In otherwords Joseph smith never did recieve golden discs from angels you practice hersey, doomed for Hell in Eternal Fire.
Note that their "sales pitch" is deceptive. They want you to read the Book of Mormon and pray for a yes or no on it. But since some teachings agree with the Bible, and some do not... a single yes or no does not work. You need to know your Bible (the real item) first before you can spot a counterfeit... and look at LDS doctrines one at a time...many of their current beliefs are not found in the Book of Mormon, such as temple activities, and 3 degrees of glory.
Things no Mormon can answer: - WHY was Joseph chosen? - WHY the specific time period? - HOW could Joseph translate a language no person speaks and with no other literary pieces into English? - WHERE are the golden tablets now? - WHY is there no proof of any people from the Levant, Mesopotamia, or Egypt going to a far far far FAR land and not coming back?
I can try at least! (lol) However God himself has his "own purposes" timing etc. But here are some "insights: (1) The bible speaks about a "restoration" in all things (prior to the 2nd coming of Christ) (2) The world was in a certain state (after the death of Christ and his apostles) that really wasn't conducive a place where the "full gospel" could thrive (as the state of many nations, including Rome) wouldn't allow it! (many Christians were killed, the truth manipulated and compromised, and taken out of the hands of the believers - to a more "general and nebulous state , etc.). (3) The power of God allows many "miracles" (Red sea parting, etc.) So why not the gift of translation, tongues, etc.? (As written in the bible). So again, only in a land where there was "freedom of Religion" is where Gods "true church" could be re-established (and misunderstood truths could be "cleared up"). You can actually see a pattern (over time). The dark ages, renaissance, reformation, and finally "restoration" (It took time - but God prepared a way)! Okay hope that helps some and let me know if you have other questions. Okay god bless :)
A true Christian follow Jesus Christ teaching and we believe in the Trinity, baptism, Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins, He rose on the tbird day, He will come again. Mormon follow Joseph Smith, they are not Christian Any Mormons that comes to our house I tell them to read Galatians 1: 8-9
No, they're not. They'd sure seem like they must be, and have a lot of Jesus-y artwork in their churches- But ultimately the Jesus they teach isn't the same Jesus from the Bible, but more of a BS fanfiction version that can't actually save anyone.
Well, the best definition to me is defining a Christian by the 5 solas. If they believe in those, then they are a Christian. I imagine anything else would be too vague/general or too specific to a particular denomination/sect.
Christian = Follower of & Believes in Jesus (his passion, redemptive & messianic work, death, & resurrection) and strives to live a life pleasing to him in anticipation of his Second Coming.
We do believe in Jesus as the only means to salvation, it's just those works (that Jesus commanded us to do, see St. John 3:3) are what we do to show the Lord we accept His grace. Why not investigate for yourself if it is true?
This one almost got me. After going over a couple times though I realized that the angels Joseph saw still preached the same gospel, but just a new part. It didn’t deny any previous teachings.
@@octaviuswendell5857 The 'new part' being the Book of Mormon, which does in fact include a multitude of contradictions. Not to mention Deuteronomy 4:2.
You believe in another Jesus, Jesus is not a created Jesus, he was not created in heavenly by a Mother and Father God. Mormonism is not a Christian religion.
The Christian view of the Trinity and Incarnation have been absolutely central since the beginning. The LDS church differs on both. If these can't demarcate between religions, I don't know what can. If the LDS church is "just another denomination," then so is Arianism or Islam. Valuing Jesus and his teachings a lot isn't enough to be part of the religion commonly referred to as "Christianity." So the LDS is Christian in the same sense an atheist could be "Christian" who really values Jesus' teachings, but they aren't the same religion
@@germanmarine6582 true, the LDS church still rejects the orthodox Christian view of the Trinity and Incarnation though. I don't see a way around that. Those have been central and defining from the beginning (barring, of course, a possible great apostasy)
They came ro my home the nost kind ppl btw they have the truth the bekieve in God and the son of God Jesus Christ we orayed 🙏 we sand God bless them the world its a mess hate greed they good ppl❤❤
I’m from Kansas City and I was in Israel this summer. One of my first thoughts while on the Mount of Olives was “I can’t believe Mormons think Jesus is going to INDEPENDENCE”
@@Kris77777 The bible and its message was written to "all nations" (As Jesus instructed). As god is no "respecter of persons") Jesus himself said that he had to visit other "Sheep" in the bible (and he was grieved for the wickedness of Israel) who put him to death. Even the Mayans recounted (from their elders) of a "White God" that visited them too! (So thats also an historic event). But here is something to watch! :ruclips.net/video/6n5vT0eHlI8/видео.html
i am not a mormon, but i have known many. they are indeed christian because they focus on jesus christ as the center of their salvation. it can be summed up like this "If ye love me, keep my commandments." no christian can be saved if they don't act like one. that's where their point of faith+works converges. no mormon is trying to 'save themselves'. their doing what jesus said they should do. if someone wants to argue about the nitty-gritty of their doctrine, prayers, ordinances, or whatever, they are just hyper-focusing on differences in order to...idk...be a crusader or something. god be with us all. we really need him these days.
Which Jesus do they focus on? One real. One is fantasy from J.Smiths' mind. I love the lds people so much. That is why is bring it up. It is written in the Bible" My people perish for lack of knowledge." It does matter which God you follow after.
Who would want to be curious of what Egyptian have to say in their former Egyptian writings? I'm all for the God of Israel. God freed from.Egypt. . I don't trust Pharoah's writings to be messages from God as a restored gospel. No such thing as a restored gospel. .
Galatians 1:6-9 KJV [6] I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: [7] which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. [8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. [9] As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. This passage puts the mormons out of business..
@@dylanwilliams2202 ruclips.net/video/J8-nYRtMCZs/видео.htmlsi=WJ89IxzykmoW3gjK Your interpretation of James 2 is in contradiction with the rest of the Bible... But i guess if you are a mormon thats the least of your worries.
Okay but you have to prove the group in question does teach another gospel from Christ. I say this as a fellow Christian who doesn't believe Mormons are Christians. Mormons believe their gospel is the one taught by Christ, so you posting this passage doesn't mean anything to them.
@@gunsgalore7571 "pervert the gospel" "or an angel" Joseph Smith had an encounter with an angel... Mormons believe in a perverted gospel.... and actually thats what they are perverts ftom Utah, totally false gospel and they are not saved.
Great video, something new I learned today 😊 3:17 I’m chilean and so happy to see my country in this video 😅 I do see a lot of mormons visiting homes to share their gospel, and we tend to avoid them. Nothing personal, it’s just that they are very persistent, like Jehovah witnesses. We avoid them, too. 😅 God bless you! Somos el mejor país de Chile 🇨🇱 ❤
You got the Book of Mormon stories order wrong and a lot of words mispronounced. The Lamanites (Indians) defeated the Nephites after Christ visited the Americas. "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice" - John 10:16. Also "Faith without works is dead" so we believe that to have faith you must exercise it by doing what Christ says. Christ is the Father's Son and not the Father in a body, the Holy Ghost is a seperate member of the Godhead (nowhere in the Bible does it say "Trinity"). And yes we also believe in modern day revelation and that Christ's Church is alive and lead by the Twelve Apostles today.
Mormon here! After watching this video there are many inaccuracies and false caricatures of what we actually believe and what our theology is. I am more than happy to answer any questions you may have!
Christian or not, they strive to follow Jesus Christ exemplary life. The beatitudes, the sermon on the mount, they strive to live that. Just as every Christian does.
That’s what’s wrong with Mormons they don’t understand Jesus , when Jesus preached the beatitudes he was comforting Christians (His church) saying blessed are they because it’s what they go through.we Christians long for justice and we will be vindicated it’s just who we are because we have the Holy Spirit. Jesus didn’t say in the beatitudes do, feel, and act like this and you are a Christian.
@@fvalenzuela34 actually He did. God is a teacher. He was teaching us how to live and treat each other. He is speaking to all that would hear Him. Not just Christians.
I’m not Mormon but isn’t there a chance some Mormons look to Our Lord in spirit and in truth? Condemning an entire group with a broad brush seems shortsighted.
Thank you! It's because the Nicene Creed and the man-made doctrine of the trinity has become an idol. The early Christians regonized The Father, the Son, and the Spirit were 3 distinct and separate beings, with different roles, but united in purpose to form one God. We teach the same thing--and yet we're accused of not being Christians primarily because we don't accept a man-made doctrine that was voted on by the church fathers. I wasn't aware God revealed his doctrine by vote? The pattern in the Bible is that God calls a prophet and reveals his will, right? But we're the weird ones for believing God called a prophet and revealed more of his will and words? Make it make sense. I love and worship God the Father, my savior, Redeemer, and older brother Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. I don't believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. I'm a Christian! How dare anyone say I'm not? If people want to say I'm not a "Trinitarian Christian" then fine. But it hurts and makes me lose respect for people when they dare to claim I'm not a Christian.
No. They say that the book of mormon is a "companion" to the bible. But if you ever speak the gospel or cite the new testament.... they lose their minds. I was in LDS for a while and anything outside of their internal doctrine, which is loosely based on freemasonry, is considered apocryphal. Including psalms and proverbs.
It really is based on freemasonry. :'( The temple rituals I've been able to see online are very weird to me. Still, LDS people, in my experience, are quite lovely.
@@sia9907 No doubt. They're usually very friendly, sober, and family oriented. They even took a lot of us in for Thanksgiving, when the guys on base couldn't go home for the holiday.
@@sia9907 indeed, they have to be great people to earn their way to god-hood. That's the ultimate goal of Mormonism: not an eternal relationship with God, but to BE gods. Sad thing is I've met enough Mormons to know I wouldn't trust them running a hot dog stand, much less their own Universe. I don't know if they believe they get some sort of Management of the Universe advanced level course in super heaven or what, but some of them have no chance of being able to manage anything... and yet somehow they believe they will become gods.
@@sidwhiting665I was looking for this comment. So many think Mormons are extremely friendly and my own experience seems to support this BUT like you stated knowing their motivation is a eye opener. What most Christians don't know is the massacres like meadow massacre in Utah where B. Young had the group of Christian settlers who were resting temporarily slaughtered and the children kidnapped.
They are not.
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It's really that simple
@@dano8613except it’s not.. because everyone doesn’t come to that conclusion
@@ZteyuopuiWhether someone does or doesn’t come to that conclusion doesn’t change the fact that it is true.
This feels like Vox for Christians, great job! I have always been looking for something like this.
YES SO TRUE!
I like this because Vox constantly gets things wrong and shows they have hardly done any type of research, just like in this video.
@dylanwilliams2202 I see your everywhere. Can you name anything that this video got wrong?
I noticed you didn't address my comment about the things she didn't address
@@dano8613 _"I noticed you didn't address my comment about the things she didn't address"_ What are you talking about? I did respond to you. It was what I was referring to when I called you out. Here is a exact copy and paste of it: Buddy, everything you said is a complete lie and said out of complete and utter ignorance.
_" Joseph smith was arrested prior to the "revelation" for swindling people using the very stones used to decipher the "tablets"_ Idk what "revelation" you are referring to but Joseph had the first vision already if that is what you are meaning.
You are also grossly exaggerating what happened. Joseph Smith was asked by a guy named Josiah Stowell to help him look for treasure, of which both Joseph and Josiah said Joseph was very reluctant to do but was convinced to do so. Josiah's nephew then sued Joseph Smith on behalf of Josiah for being a disorderly person. The case was then dismissed by the Judge because Josiah defended Joseph in the hearing and said that he asked Joseph to do it.
_"he was a pedophile"_ This is nothing but a gross lie.
_"he was murdered while in jail for stealing horses"_ BRUH, what are you talking about? Joseph Smith was in jail for a trumped up charge of treason against the state of Illinois when he was murdered (they specifically charged him with treason because you can't post bail with a treason charge). Like, usually I know what someone is talking about when they mix up things but I have no idea what you would even be referring too.
If you are going to try and bash us then do at least a 5 second google search to make sure you are right.
_"LDS think the Bible is corrupted so their very own KJV is different from ours"_ That is false. If you bought a KJV Bible from us then it would be exactly the same as if it was bought and any other book store with the only difference would be that it would have headings which give a summary of the chapter and references to our other scriptures. Nothing has changed about it.
_" they believe that Jesus & Satan are brothers. (Ask them to recite John 3:16, they will say for God so loved the world that he gave his son........ that's wrong because its actually written "he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN son" they will argue and say Jesus's wasn't the only son and tell you that Satan was the other. "_ You are completely twisting what we believe and it is so annoying how much this gets brought up because the only time we ever talk about or think about this is when you all bring it up.
We believe that because we believe Jesus, Satan and everyone who has ever and will ever live was with God as his Children and were the angels before the foundation of the world. Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God in the flesh or the only one to have God as his father here on earth. Nothing in John 3:16 refutes what we believe. Just to really hammer this point in. From the Book of Mormon.
2 Nephi 25:12 "But, behold, they shall have wars, and rumors of wars; *and when the day cometh that the Only Begotten of the Father,* yea, even the Father of heaven and of earth, shall manifest himself unto them in the flesh, behold, they will reject him, because of their iniquities, and the hardness of their hearts, and the stiffness of their necks."
Jacob 4:5 "Behold, they believed in Christ and worshiped the Father in his name, and also we worship the Father in his name. And for this intent we keep the law of Moses, it pointing our souls to him; and for this cause it is sanctified unto us for righteousness, even as it was accounted unto Abraham in the wilderness to be obedient unto the commands of God in offering up his son Isaac, which is a similitude of *God and his Only Begotten Son."*
Alma 5:48 "I say unto you, that I know of myself that whatsoever I shall say unto you, concerning that which is to come, is true; and I say unto you, *that I know that Jesus Christ shall come, yea, the Son, the Only Begotten of the Father,* full of grace, and mercy, and truth. And behold, it is he that cometh to take away the sins of the world, yea, the sins of every man who steadfastly believeth on his name."
I could quote many more from the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price and all of our leaders that say Jesus is the only begotten of the Father. You tried this in another comment thread and the other guy was super confused. Everyone is going to say "he gave his only begotten son".
_"the early prophets joseph smith,Brigham young ect prophesied that there were men living on the moon"_ Joseph Smith never said anything like this (the only source of Joseph Smith saying this is a late 3rd hand source, so not reliable at all). There is only one quote where Brigham Young said anything about "people living on the moon". At little context, scientific articles at the time were talking about people living on the moon and he is talking about these articles in a sermon. "We are called ignorant; so we are: but what of it? Are not all ignorant? I rather think so. Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon? When we view its face we may see what is termed "the man in the moon," and what some philosophers declare are the shadows of mountains. But these sayings are very vague, and amount to nothing; and when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the most ignorant of their fellows."
Please tell me where in that quote Brigham Young is acting as a prophet and prophesied of people living on the moon.
_" how can we trust them to tell you the truth? "_ Well, when you are intellectually honest and aren't making grossly exaggerated claims then it is pretty easy.
_"they are always changing! We know Gods word never changes"_ There is no official doctrine that has ever changed.
_"until recently they taught and believed that black people were cursed! That being black was the curse of Cain!"_ This was never official doctrine and any statement about this has been disavowed, some of which by the people who stated them. Also, so did most of the rest of the Christian world buddy.
Now,
_"Can you name anything that this video got wrong?"_ She said that we believed God was a man who lived on another planet, that we believe our works save us, that the world can end any day now, and that Zion or the New Jerusalem is the only place to gather. She also got our history wrong because she combined the events of Nauvoo and Missouri. And with that, she also got the route they took from Nauvoo to Salt Lake wrong. Do you want me to pick this apart like I did with you?
@@dano8613 alright, I'll bat. Here's what they got wrong. For starters, they mispronounced Nephite, Lamanite, and Zion. You would think if their research was thorough they would know how to say these names. Secondly, we don't ascribe to "tritheism." We believe in a social Trinity where the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are the same in every way except in substance. And the whole thing about God once being a man and now He lives near Kolob? Neither are central to our faith. You will never hear a talk (a sermon) on either topic. None are even in our 13 articles of faith. Missions do not look like how they are presented in the Book of Mormon musical, and we do believe in a hell. It is called Outer Darkness and is where Satan, his followers, and the sons of perdition dwell. So yeah, this video got a few things wrong about the LDS church.
You are free to believe what you want. As a meme we of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-say Saints we know that we are Christians! We love Christ and worship Him for His sacrifice through the Atonement that saves us from sin! Christ gets all the credit for my salvation He is good!
Revelation 22:18. The Bible is closed cannon. The book of Mormon is a false book. Just as is the Quaran.
Which Jesus? Your spirit brother? The brother of Lucifer? Or the Almighty Only God Jesus? Kinda a big difference in "Characters" also, different salvation. Different Gospel. Different gods. Different foreign Jesus. You are a heretic. Repent and come to the God that exists.
If you truly believed in Jesus Christ, you wouldn’t be a Mormon. Jesus Christ of the Bible is not Satan‘s brother. Jesus Christ of the Bible did not minister to Native Americans. Jesus Christ of the Bible did not marry anyone. Paul talks about in the New Testament If you have a different Jesus, you have a different gospel and Mormons you guys got a very different Jesus, but I do pray that you get saved for real.
@@ke6264 I appreciate your kindness even though we disagree. I believe God is the God of the whole earth not just the people of the Bible. Jesus did appear in the Americas. Jesus and Lucifer and all of us are children of God. I love Jesus and fully accept his grace on my behalf to be saved. I trust Him to work out all the details in the next life.
@@kylehansen639 yes to all of those. Why can’t they all be true? Jesus is my brother, Lucifer is also our brother, and Jesus Christ is God. I appreciate the conversation even though we disagree. I pray that you and I will both be saved by the atonement of Jesus Christ
This is awesome! It's not only a comprehensive primer on Mormonism but clearly delineates the differences between Mormonism and Christianity.
I do not have any problem with Mormons.
They are not against the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. Just like Jesus said, if they're not against us, they're for us.
Finally a good comment in a sea of hatred and twisted views.
Thank you.
So theology does not matter to you?
Do you know that Blacks were once BANNED from joining the LDS/Mormon "priesthood"?
You seem to be the one whom actually understands what it means to love your neighbor. I’ve scrolled through a hundred or so comments it feels and this was the first positive one. God bless you
zbh and octavius, you are calling other comments hatred, twisted, unloving... just for telling the truth. Was it hatred, twisted, and unloving of you to criticize those comments?
Mormonism says there are millions of gods. They say Jesus and Satan are brothers. It is _not_ Christianity.
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Hateful: because they spew negative assumptions about our brothers and sisters without a proper base to it.
Twisted: because they take our actual beliefs and twist them to fit their own view of our religion.
Unloving: because if we were truly "lost" of "following a false God" why would you not do as, for example, Pastor Jeff does in @HelloSaints? Why would you have to _explicitly_ say we are going to hell, and not try to help in the same way Jesus helped the Samaritan woman?
These people are usually the ones who, under the name, or banner, of Christianity, condemn us for having a different belief. _and isn't that one way to define bigotry?_
I do not _hate_ people for using outdated methods to "preach" truth to us. I, however, harbor very _unchristlike_ feelings towards those closed-minded strategies.
I admit, that in the heat of the moment, I could have come as unloving and harsh. And it is in these moments that I echo what I explained to another person in another comment: I repent every day, for I am not perfect.
Please notice how I have always referred to the people here in the comments as _people_ and never as "sheeple" or anything of the like. I believe everyone has the capacity to think for themselves, and honestly, that is the reason I thought of it a good idea to actually _debate_ those bigoted views.
Have a wonderful evening 🌆
The actual name of the church is, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Not Mormon. And most of this is Lies and half-truths. Example: the LDS Church doesn’t teach we’re saved by works, they teach that work’s follow those that believe. They teach that the purpose of the atonement is to help us become one with God, (at-one-ment) which is to say, like God.
Doesn't your church teach Obedience to the leaders of the church is of utmost importance?
@@Decision_Justice The Church that Christ organized had Apostles and Prophets. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has the same organization. So as in the original Church we follow our leaders as they would have followed Peter, James, John. Of course every member has their agency to follow or not.
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One question. Do you really believe that God was a man from other planet, that became "god" by living a mormon type of life, as was stated in the video?
As a Latter-day saint myself, some information in this video is a bit inaccurate. While it does do a good job mostly, the video is still biased as near the end you flat out called our religion "not true." An informative video should contain no opinion.
First off, we do believe in the God head. The Book of Mormon mentions the unification of the three members numerous times. They are not the same people, all separate beings, but together make up God. They are also united in "purpose."
Also a clarification: In our religion, we believe it was once the same as Christianity, and even further back, Judaism. Originally the true Church was Judaism, but after Christ's coming, the law of Moses was restored and Christianity was established. Fast forward 100 years and the world was in the Great Apostasy, as the priesthood (which the apostles had) was removed from the earth by God. Eventually, in God's own due time, the true Church would be restored, along with the priesthood, through Joseph Smith. So it's not as much of a new religion as it is a branch off of Christianity.
Lastly, to my knowledge, Heavenly Father having a mortal life on another planet is not confirmed doctrine and is mentioned nowhere in the scriptures. It is not a core belief of our religion, and probably stemmed from the belief that we, if we attain Celestial glory, will become as God is, and people assumed that the same thing happened with God himself. It is a very iffy topic, possibly not even true, and not really relevant to being saved anyways. I have never heard another Latter-day Saint mention it in conversation before.
I don't mean this maliciously in any way, just wanted to clarify some things.
Judaism was fulfilled, not restored* sorry
The short answer is no but the long answer is noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
the day the people who talk about the church can pronounce the names correctly is the day I might take what yall have to say with seriousness
It is Christchurch a lot of the things in the old and New Testament make sense. Now that I joined the church, especially first corinthianspection baptism for the dead.
Interesting but it should be pointed out that:
1) Joseph smith was arrested prior to the "revelation" for swindling people using the very stones used to decipher the "tablets"
2)he was a pedophile
3)he was murdered while in jail for stealing horses
4)LDS think the Bible is corrupted so their very own KJV is different from ours
5) they believe that Jesus & Satan are brothers. (Ask them to recite John 3:16, they will say for God so loved the world that he gave his son........ that's wrong because its actually written "he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN son" they will argue and say Jesus's wasn't the only son and tell you that Satan was the other.
6) the early prophets joseph smith,Brigham young ect prophesied that there were men living on the moon.....we all know what the Bible says about false prophets! So if the creators of a religion start off as criminals swindlers and liars, how can we trust them to tell you the truth?
7) they are always changing! We know Gods word never changes.
8) until recently they taught and believed that black people were cursed! That being black was the curse of Cain!
Buddy, everything you said is a complete lie and said out of complete and utter ignorance.
_" Joseph smith was arrested prior to the "revelation" for swindling people using the very stones used to decipher the "tablets"_ Idk what "revelation" you are referring to but Joseph had the first vision already if that is what you are meaning.
You are also grossly exaggerating what happened. Joseph Smith was asked by a guy named Josiah Stowell to help him look for treasure, of which both Joseph and Josiah said Joseph was very reluctant to do but was convinced to do so. Josiah's nephew then sued Joseph Smith on behalf of Josiah for being a disorderly person. The case was then dismissed by the Judge because Josiah defended Joseph in the hearing and said that he asked Joseph to do it.
_"he was a pedophile"_ This is nothing but a gross lie.
_"he was murdered while in jail for stealing horses"_ BRUH, what are you talking about? Joseph Smith was in jail for a trumped up charge of treason against the state of Illinois when he was murdered (they specifically charged him with treason because you can't post bail with a treason charge). Like, usually I know what someone is talking about when they mix up things but I have no idea what you would even be referring too.
If you are going to try and bash us then do at least a 5 second google search to make sure you are right.
_"LDS think the Bible is corrupted so their very own KJV is different from ours"_ That is false. If you bought a KJV Bible from us then it would be exactly the same as if it was bought and any other book store with the only difference would be that it would have headings which give a summary of the chapter and references to our other scriptures. Nothing has changed about it.
_" they believe that Jesus & Satan are brothers. (Ask them to recite John 3:16, they will say for God so loved the world that he gave his son........ that's wrong because its actually written "he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN son" they will argue and say Jesus's wasn't the only son and tell you that Satan was the other. "_ You are completely twisting what we believe and it is so annoying how much this gets brought up because the only time we ever talk about or think about this is when you all bring it up.
We believe that because we believe Jesus, Satan and everyone who has ever and will ever live was with God as his Children and were the angels before the foundation of the world. Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God in the flesh or the only one to have God as his father here on earth. Nothing in John 3:16 refutes what we believe. Just to really hammer this point in. From the Book of Mormon.
2 Nephi 25:12 "But, behold, they shall have wars, and rumors of wars; *and when the day cometh that the Only Begotten of the Father,* yea, even the Father of heaven and of earth, shall manifest himself unto them in the flesh, behold, they will reject him, because of their iniquities, and the hardness of their hearts, and the stiffness of their necks."
Jacob 4:5 "Behold, they believed in Christ and worshiped the Father in his name, and also we worship the Father in his name. And for this intent we keep the law of Moses, it pointing our souls to him; and for this cause it is sanctified unto us for righteousness, even as it was accounted unto Abraham in the wilderness to be obedient unto the commands of God in offering up his son Isaac, which is a similitude of *God and his Only Begotten Son."*
Alma 5:48 "I say unto you, that I know of myself that whatsoever I shall say unto you, concerning that which is to come, is true; and I say unto you, *that I know that Jesus Christ shall come, yea, the Son, the Only Begotten of the Father,* full of grace, and mercy, and truth. And behold, it is he that cometh to take away the sins of the world, yea, the sins of every man who steadfastly believeth on his name."
I could quote many more from the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price and all of our leaders that say Jesus is the only begotten of the Father. You tried this in another comment thread and the other guy was super confused. Everyone is going to say "he gave his only begotten son".
_"the early prophets joseph smith,Brigham young ect prophesied that there were men living on the moon"_ Joseph Smith never said anything like this (the only source of Joseph Smith saying this is a late 3rd hand source, so not reliable at all). There is only one quote where Brigham Young said anything about "people living on the moon". At little context, scientific articles at the time were talking about people living on the moon and he is talking about these articles in a sermon. "We are called ignorant; so we are: but what of it? Are not all ignorant? I rather think so. Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon? When we view its face we may see what is termed "the man in the moon," and what some philosophers declare are the shadows of mountains. But these sayings are very vague, and amount to nothing; and when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the most ignorant of their fellows."
Please tell me where in that quote Brigham Young is acting as a prophet and prophesied of people living on the moon.
_" how can we trust them to tell you the truth? "_ Well, when you are intellectually honest and aren't making grossly exaggerated claims then it is pretty easy.
_"they are always changing! We know Gods word never changes"_ There is no official doctrine that has ever changed.
_"until recently they taught and believed that black people were cursed! That being black was the curse of Cain!"_ This was never official doctrine and any statement about this has been disavowed, some of which by the people who stated them. Also, so did most of the rest of the Christian world buddy.
I’m Mormon and I’m having a stroke reading this. The only one I kind of believe is 6, but this is more that Joseph smith and Brigham young liked to come up with theories about stuff, and sometimes they were wrong.
Gods word is still unchanged to us, we still read KJV tons. I probably read it 3x more than the BoM
If you can give me the sources from where you say these things, I’ll believe you. But seriously some of these are goofy
Almost forgot to say but we always quote John 3:16 as begotten son. I guess technically they are brothers in the same way you and I are, but no more.
@octaviuswendell5857 every Mormon I have ever met omit begotten.
We are brothers because we are brothers in christ. Satan was a fallen angel & Jesus is God so no way Jesus & Satan are brothers in any sense
@octaviuswendell5857 think they are goofy all you want but they are all true.
The very fact you didn't know about the belief that black people were cursed tells me alot. That's not even one of the things that's denied by the church. It was changed recently as a new revelation so that shows that just because YOU didn't know something about the cult that don't mean I was wrong.
Smith married and consummated his marriage with a child
Horse theifing was the reason he was I jail when he was killed.
They are not NO
Don't they say they're Christians only now because their newest apostles said so?
They used to say they absolutely were not Christians
Joseph Smith was very anti Christian. He said that all the creeds of Christianity were an abomination. Christians were deceive by Satan, all wrong, anti Christ and deceived by Satan.
(Regarding Joseph Smith’s alleged first vision where celestial personages appeared to him) . . .
“My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right - and which I should join. I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong, and the personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight: that those professors were all corrupt . . .”
(Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 5-6).
“What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world,” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, p. 270).
(In questions directed to Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism . . . ).
First-“Do you believe the Bible?”
If we do, we are the only people under heaven that do, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do.”
Third-“Will everybody be damned, but Mormons?”
Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness.” (Teachings, page 119).
Brigham Young said. . .
“But He did send His angel to this same obscure person, Joseph Smith jun., who afterwards became a Prophet, Seer, and Revelator, and informed him that he should not join any of the religious sects of the day, for they were all wrong,” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, 1855, p. 171).
John Taylor said . . .
“We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense . . . Myself and hundreds of the Elders around me have seen its pomp, parade, and glory; and what is it? It is a sounding brass and a tinkling symbol; it is as corrupt as hell; and the Devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century,” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, 1858, p. 167).
Notice the similarities between Mormonism and Islam? An angel talks to a guy, tells him he and his followers can have all the wives they want, and that they believe in Jesus, just not The Jesus Christ revealed in Scripture. They are given a fake history that is easily disproven, but which convinced some people because of their ignorance at that time.
Christianity convinces us of our sin and need for a Saviour. Islam teaches Muslims are superior and above all (including that Jews and Christians will one day go to hell in the place of Muslims) and Mormonism that you will one day be a god with your own planet.
I'm sure there are plenty more similarities, but I don't think there are many people who have atudied both these cults.
Well done, j!
they really are more different than similar.
mormons are much closer to christianity than muslims are. anyone who says otehrwise, dont know either very well.
Mormons believe in millions of gods, that every man can become a god, and that Jesus and Satan are brothers. You call that similar to Christianity?
I was thinking about the same thing! Maybe it’s the same “angel” talking to them
@@ysj2206 eh, idk. Mormons don’t follow a different gospel, so there is that. They seek to follow the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I read the Mormon bible and just reading it I did not recognize God in there but rather a poor imitation of him.
Thanks for sharing this!
Different God, different Gospel, different Jesus.
The Spirit in me sees Mormonism as alien, so I don't accept it either.
I've had many conversations with the Mormon missionaries, and wanted to read the book in order to understand. It's uh... interesting fanfiction at best.
This quote from Mark Twain really sums it up nicely;
Mark Twain on the Book of Mormon, 1861
"All men have heard of the Mormon Bible, but few except the "elect" have seen it, or, at least, taken the trouble to read it. I brought away a copy from Salt Lake.
The book is a curiosity to me, it is such a pretentious affair, and yet so "slow," so sleepy; such an insipid mess of inspiration. It is chloroform in print. If Joseph Smith composed this book, the act was a miracle--keeping awake while he did it was, at any rate. If he, according to tradition, merely translated it from certain ancient and mysteriously-engraved plates of copper, which he declares he found under a stone, in an out-of-the-way locality, the work of translating was equally a miracle, for the same reason.
The book seems to be merely a prosy detail of imaginary history, with the Old Testament for a model; followed by a tedious plagiarism of the New Testament. The author labored to give his words and phrases the quaint, old-fashioned sound and structure of our King James's translation of the Scriptures; and the result is a mongrel--half modern glibness, and half ancient simplicity and gravity. The latter is awkward and constrained; the former natural, but grotesque by the contrast. Whenever he found his speech growing too modern--which was about every sentence or two-he ladled in a few such Scriptural phrases as "exceeding sore," "and it came to pass," etc., and made things satisfactory again. "And it came to pass" was his pet. If he had left that out, his Bible would have been only a pamphlet."
That’s awesome. Love Mark Twain.
I’m ngl, Mark Twain ended that last paragraph with a nice diss.
Different God? You're clueless. Heavenly Father=Elohim.
Where in the Bible does it say "Elohim=Heavenly Father" ??? @@cryptochris9001
@@cryptochris9001 God was never just a man who evolved into a god. The Biblical Father as Jesus witnessed is Spirit, and must be worshipped in spirit and truth. Therefore HE has no body, and like Jesus and Holy Spirit is uncreated, eternal, omnipresent , all powerful, the only one triune GOD. None before, none after. See Isaiah 43.10 , Isaiah ch's
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John 1.1, John ch.1, many more...
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Can you make a video about how Islam and Christianity dont worship the same God? I have Muslim friends who try to say we do and I'm trying to get him to grasp the necessity of Jesus
Abraham had at least two sons: Ishmael and Isaac are key for understanding here. What I've been told is that those of the Islamic faith believe that God's covenant with Abraham was passed through Ishmael whereas those who believe in Christ believe that God's covenant was passed through Isaac.
Well they are actually right, but its just a total different view on God and especially Jesus. In order to get somewere with them i recomment you to say Allah is just a wrong view on God.
Kind of hard to do when you share a huge chunk of scripture with Islam. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all worship "The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob".
well your muslims friends are totally wrong. I am a muslim myself and I know for nessisty that we muslims don’t worship jesus as christians do. we only worship one god he is all powerful and all-knowing and self-sufficient that doesnt need a son and is forgiving that he doesnt need to kill “himself” or “his son” to forgive us. we believe jesus was a prophet and was not crusified but saved by God and was raised to the heavens and we believe jesus the son of marry -not the son of god- is the messaia and will come back to rule this world with the word of God. Jesus is only a great prophet just like abraham, mohammad, moses, noa.. etc. we love/respect him alot but we dont worship him.
Thanks for making these videos, I really enjoy them and appreciate the amazing production quality of your videos
Correction: not all branches of Christianity believe in salvation by faith alone. Orthodox christians believe in faith and works.
As an Orthodox, that’s correct. Mormonism is just another cult that has nothing to do with Christianity
And Catholics. It’s the traditional understanding of the gospel they get some of it from the book of James.
You will know them by their fruit. Yes, grace through faith but we will have works, just like in the NT.
Yes but, by your fruit will you know them. We are saved by grace through faith but believers will have works just like in the NT.
Nobody gets saved without good works, except little children. Faith requires works, otherwise Faith is dead. We will be judged not according our belief, but by what we do according to what we believe. In the end we will be judged according to our works.
2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Psalm 62:12
Also unto thee, O Lord, belongeth mercy: for thou renderest to every man according to his work.
Romans one 2:6
God……..who will render to each person according to his deeds:
1 Peter 1:17
And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
1:52 So, essentially, Mormons believe God is an alien from another planet who became God only after “being a good Mormon?” That goes completely against Genesis 1 and John 1:1-5, at the very least.
In the Mormon Bible the beginning of john changed from “inthe beginning God” to “in the beginning A God”
Like the JW.
It goes against the whole Bible. I didn't know just how mistaken the mormons were
@@rhetty1 There is no "Mormon bible". There's just the Bible plus Book of Mormon. What Genesis1:1 actually means in the original Hebrew text is the Elohim guided Jesus in the creation of Earth. Jesus was chosen by Heavenly Father to create and save Earth. Also, without the prophet Joseph Smith we likely would not know Jesus came to America after He resurrected. We wouldn't know as much about American history either.
Nope, the video has it wrong. along with several other points.
This is tricky. Faith without deeds is dead just as a body without a spirit is dead. As the Holy Bible says, Can such faith save them?(James2:14) Faith by itself, if not accompanied by action, is dead. The problem is mistaking deeds with obedience
True faith is naturally accompanied by actions because actions are evidence of a belief. If I truly believe that education is key to having success in life and I desire success, I’ll work hard it school. If I say education is the key but I don’t try or care about my studies. It shows a disconnect. Either I truly don’t believe education is the path to success or I don’t want success. If you truly believe it Jesus, and accept what he did, it will automatically affect how you live.
@@XxBoriHalaMadridxX as a latter day saint, all i have to say is, BASED and true
You will know by their fruits, faith without works is not faith. Faith brings works by nature, it is not however the source of our salvation. Salvation preempts all our attempts at redemption. Our works cannot redeem us, only faith in Christ and acceptance of His sacrifice.
The formula is not faith +works = salvation but faith= salvation + works. We are saved by grace alone through faith in christ Jesus..therefore we can bear fruits of good works from this salvation.
No they are not lol
Please keep making videos! This is literally my favorite RUclips channel!
Watch the documentary The Holy Bible vs Joseph Smith. Fascinating documentary that proves mormonism is false. I have a friend whose father joined the mormin religion and tried to get his daughter to join. She recommended the documentary to him. He watched it and never asked her to join again. He stayed a Mormon but he stopped asking her.
LOL That video is complete garbage and is very easily debunked. Fairmormon does a great job of completely debunking it. I also did it and from the first 17 mins.
(“Which one has more authority or precedent, the bible or the Book of Mormon?”)
This is a dumb question, What you are asking is the equivalent of asking which takes more precedence Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John? There are different things and lessons said in all 4 and each one is of value. Taking one of the 4 out and you would lose a lot of the message of God and story and witness of Jesus Christ.
(“The abominable church is the early christian church”)
That isn’t true. The abominable church is anyone, past or present, who claims to be of Christ with their lips but denies him in actions. (Matthew 7:21-23, James 2:14-26, Ephesians 2:10, Titus 1:16, Isaiah 29:13)
When Joel was talking to the linguist, the linguist avoided the topic. When asked about if the bible has been corrupted he doesn’t answer and insteads talks about the Book of Mormon manuscripts. What makes it even funnier is that Joel said there are no manuscripts like it completely negates what is said in Nephi, it doesn’t. Nothing was said here that disproves what is said in Nephi.
(Greg “There has been one manuscript and as it faded over time then monks would free copy it over and over again”)
That is not at all how the apostasy is described in our church. This is why I don’t believe Greg is truly a member because most people would have given the answer of “the proper authority died with the apostles”. My answer would have referenced it but not anywhere close to what Greg said. This whole section is pointless when you realize Greg isn’t saying that we actually believe. And again, having no manuscripts for the Book of Mormon doesn’t disprove the claim of things not being taken out of the bible.
(Joel “Would you be able to tell if monks didn’t like something they would just take it out?” Linguist “Impossible”) Yea, the linguist is false here because we know it did happen with multiple versions and is very historically accurate. The New International Version (NIV) bible and every other translation since the 1900s are the biggest examples of this. In Genesis 2:19 a translation such as the New Revised Standard Version uses "formed" in a plain past tense: "So out of the ground the LORD God *formed* every animal". The NIV's version is "Now the LORD God *had formed* out of the ground all the wild animals" to try to make it appear that the animals had already been created. Not only is the translation not correct but it misses the very point of the narrative and changes the meaning of the verse, that the animals were created in response to God's declaration that it was not good that Adam should be alone. The NIV has also changed verses to be more gender neutral, changing “mankind” into “human beings” for example.
Most newer translations have been translated from the manuscripts and they don’t match older bibles. Let’s compare the NIV to the KJV
KJV Luke 9:56 *“For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.* And they went to another village”
NIV Luke 9:56 “Then he and his disciples went to another village.”
KJV Ephesians 3:9 “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things *by Jesus Christ”*
NIV Ephesians 3:9 “and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.”
KJV Ephesians 5:9 “(For the fruit of the *Spirit* is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
NIV Ephesians 5:9 “(for the fruit of the *light* consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth)
KJV Revelations 13:1 *“And I stood upon the sand of the sea,* and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.”
NIV Revelations 13:1 *“The dragon stood on the shore of the sea.* And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.”
Matthew 18:11, Matthew 17:21, Matthew 23:14, Mark 7:16, Mark 9:44, Mark 9:46, Mark 11:26, Mark 15:28, Luke 17:36, John 5:3-4, Acts 8:37, Acts 15:34, Acts 24:6-8, Acts 28:29, Romans 16:24 have all been removed from the NIV and other newer translations.
Mark 10:18 in the 1611 edition of the King James Version reads "why callest thou me good? There is *no man* good, but one, that is God". The phrase ‘no man’ was removed from every subsequent printing of the King James Bible even though the same Greek word that underlies the 1611 rendition (oudeis) is also translated ‘no man’ in Revelation 7:9 and 14:3
1 Corinthians 7:8 when read in english says "To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain unmarried as I am." giving the impression that he is talking to all unmarried people and widows. However, The Greek word translated "the unmarried" (agamois) has a masculine ending, meaning it can only refer to males. Unlike English, in Greek (like many other languages) words referring to people have different endings depending on whether males or females are being talked about. It is far more likely that "the unmarried" was supposed to mean widowers, men whose wives had died. This makes good sense of the masculine ending and goes well with the accompanying "widows". It makes sense that Paul would deal with widowers and widows together. Hellenistic Greek (the language in which the New Testament was written) has no word for a "widower" so the Greek word "agamos" which is found in verse 8 and translated to "the unmarried", was used instead. So verse 8 would be better translated and *understood* as "I say therefore to the widower and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I". This is saying nothing about or is to people who were never married and is saying for widows or widowers to not get remarried.
Should I keep hammering this point in with researching the KJV and what King James changed or do you get it now? The way words or text are translated can affect what is being said or meant and it can only take a slight variation for a verse to lose its original meaning. This was more or less off the top of my head and with about ~15 mins of research for clarification (The last 2 paragraphs I actually had saved for other "gotch ya" questions so that is why I knew it), what do think I could find out if I actually sat here and spent the time to research?
What is really frustrating is that this whole time he hasn’t even asked “What was taken out of the gospel?” or “What are the plain and precious things that were taken out?”. How can you say something wasn’t taken out or the prophecies of something being taken out is wrong when you don’t even know what you are looking for? This “conclusion” is very disingenuous and honestly a huge strawman. Here is the answer to "what was taken out of the gospel"
To clarify, when the Book of Mormon talks of plain and precious things being taken out of the gosepl it isn't just meaning the bible, it is also how christians explain and teach the message of the bible. How the relationship of God and Jesus Christ is described, necessity of baptism and the proper way to do it and when you are really considered "saved", baptism for the dead/preaching to the dead, proper priesthood authority, the laying on of hands to recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost, keeping the commandments and not being a sinner and actually following Christ, exaltation, 3 kingdoms of glory, not worshipping idols (the cross and pictures/statues of Jesus Christ and Mary for Catholics), Creation ex Nihilo, Purgatory (For Catholics), God being a spirit, marriages continuing in heaven, and the importance of temples are all things that have been removed or changed or added later by creeds or you teach these things despite it going against the bible. All of this can be shown from the bible and/or history and I can very much expand on each of these points for you.
The Book of Mormon is true and Nephi was a real prophet who lived anciently. The Church of Jesus Christ is God's and Jesus Christ's true church here on earth, the evidence is there to back us up but the problem is people have to look at it and/or read and understand the bible.
This is part 2
If I remember correctly it mentions Alma supposedly saying Jesus would be born in Jerusalem. Alma didn't say he would be born in the City of Jerusalem. Alma 7:10 “And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem which is *the land of our forefathers,”* The phrase “land of Jerusalem” or calling Jerusalem "the land of our forefathers" is a common phrase in the Book of Mormon and is used by its writers to refer to the place they originally came from. When they talked about the city then they said the city of Jerusalem. Alma probably didn't know any other place in Israel besides Jerusalem and was saying that Jesus Christ would be born among the Jews, who lived in and around Jerusalem. Let me put that in perspective, if I told you I lived in Kensington you most likely wouldn't know where that is and would ask "Where is that?". If I told you I lived in Washington D.C then you would have a better idea of where that is and not ask me anything. Bethlehem even during Christ's day wouldn't have been very big or all that well known, let alone to someone who lived across the world.
Saying "the land of Jerusalem" isn't unique to the Book of Mormon. In 1887, some Ancient Near Eastern documents known as the Amarna letters were discovered and multiple letters say "the land of Jerusalem" . The ancient writer of El Amarna letter 290 even refers to Bethlehem as part of the land of Jerusalem. "But now even a town of the land of Jerusalem, Bit-Lahmi (Bethlehem) by name, a town belonging to the king, has gone over to the side of the people of Keilah" The phrase “land of Jerusalem” has also more recently turned up in a fragment from the Dead Sea Scrolls attributed to the prophet Jeremiah (4Q385a). In another fragment from the Dead Sea Scrolls, also related to Jeremiah (4Q389), a scholar restored the phrase “in the land of J[erusalem]” to a fragmented line. With Nephi leaving Jerusalem around the same time as Jeremiah and him having wrote down "land of Jerusalem" when referring to that land area it doesn't surprise me that people later on in the Book of Mormon used the same phrase as Nephi. These ancient sources show that the “land of Jerusalem,” is actually evidence of the historical authenticity for the Book of Mormon.
I think it also mentions Joseph Smith building the temple in Missouri. The Missouri temple was a command, not a prophecy. Doctrine and Covenants 124:49 and 51 confirms this. Doctrine and Covenants 124:49 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, that when I give a commandment to any of the sons of men to do a work unto my name, and those sons of men go with all their might and with all they have to perform that work, and cease not their diligence, and their enemies come upon them and hinder them from performing that work, behold, it behooveth me to require that work no more at the hands of those sons of men, but to accept of their offerings."... 51 *"Therefore, for this cause have I accepted the offerings of those whom I commanded to build up a city and a house unto my name, in Jackson county, Missouri, and were hindered by their enemies, saith the Lord your God."*
This straight up confirms, without requiring any speculation on the matter, that this was a commandment, not a prophecy, and that God mercifully rescinded it because of the Saints' literal inability to follow because of being persecuted by Missourians despite their best efforts. This isn't an apologists opinion, it is our scriptures straight up saying it was a commandment that God later revoked and has moved back to a later date when we will fulfill the commandment.
Yes in D&C 84:2-5 it does say “shall”, however from the Webster’s Dictionary 1828 definition of “Shall”: “In the second and third persons [i.e., when applied to another person], shall implies a promise, command or determination. "You shall receive your wages," "he shall receive his wages," imply that you or he ought to receive them; but usage gives these phrases the force of a promise or command in the person uttering them.”
Also in Matthew 24, Jesus Christ shares all of these things that will happen preceding the Second Coming, including one where the gospel would be preached in every nation on earth. And then in verse 34 Jesus says, “Verily, I say unto you, this generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled” So was Jesus Christ issuing a false prophecy here? Because we know that did not happen in the way we view the word 'generation'.
Wish I could talk to that daughter... to tell her the truth of the gospel of course.
@@dylanwilliams2202 you wrote alot. However what I did read on when you talked about I may not know where Kensington is but if you said you live in Washington DC I would get an idea. What you are not realizing is the miles. Kensington is nearly 10 miles from D.C. a little far from one another while Bethlehem the city Jesus was born in and Jerusalem are 5 miles away. Not too far from one another. I live in a city where 5 miles away another city is, different city different district, and you can see the other city from a distance, making the two cities different everyone knows they are not the same even though they are so close to one another. The film The Holy Bible vs Joseph Smith, dives into these details on what makes Jerusalem and Bethlehem so different, even though they're so close.
@@HypoRealFacts I recommend you actually read what I said.
_"The film The Holy Bible vs Joseph Smith, dives into these details on what makes Jerusalem and Bethlehem so different"_ LOL No it doesn't. All that happens is that he says Jerusalem and Bethlehem are different cities and ask a couple of people whether they consider them the same city. *My argument isn't that they are the same city,* it is that at the time of Jesus Bethlehem was a small village just outside of Jerusalem. Also, that historical documents call Bethlehem apart of the land of Jerusalem.
@@dylanwilliams2202 oh I see what you're saying. Okay, my fault my fault that makes sense what you are saying. The document is here on RUclips it starts on 20:11 it gives great detail at least I felt on how Bethlehem and Jerusalem are not the same. Even the Mormon professor understood how one is different from the other. Making Alma false.
Hi, I’m a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. First, I just want to say very well made video. Someone commented this gives Vox vibes and I totally agree. Also, thanks for being respectful of my faith. I appreciate positive dialogue among faiths. Second, I would like to say that there were a couple points that weren’t correct when addressing the doctrine of our faith. I know it’s hard because there is so much out there in the world that is said about us and things that are taught that are meant to paint us in a bad light and that’s just a reality we need to face as a polarizing religion. And though I can’t take the time to address all the points I feel are false I would just like to address the most important of all. I have total and complete faith in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The son of God. I know that my salvation cannot and will not come through anybody except for him (Especially myself. Though this is a common misconception believed by those who don’t know our faith well. We do not believe that we can save ourselves or even play a role in our salvation except for having faith in Jesus Christ and using our agency to choose him and his path). I believe in a loving God who created this marvelous plan and there is nothing I want more than to honor and worship him. I hope one day we might all be able to rejoice in these commonalities and no more be divided with hate toward one another. After all we all want to follow the perfect example of love. God bless
I'm told in the last page of Revelations to not add words or subtract them in the bible as it is the word of God. Having multiple sources to not only affirm a relatively recent 200 year old man's testimony is just awfully obvious it's a man made story that truly paints all Christianity in a bad light. Begs the question what angel is this Moroni really is.
If you’re a true christian, who believes in God and loves Him, you don’t need mormonism.
@@jotomatothe book of mormon is another testament to Jesus christ not the bible. It's another witness. It contains the truth to Jesus's church.
Hey I'm a Christian and I go to LDS general conference in salt lake city twice a year to have conversations with yall and to try to help you understand why mormonism is wrong and how it contradicts the Bible. Have an example
2 nephi 25:23 Book of mormon
For we know that it is by grace we have been saved after all we can do
Ephesians 2:8-9 Holy Bible
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
@@jotomatoDeuteronomy 4:2 says the same thing. Does this mean the whole new testament is false? No, as with revelation he is talking about the specific writing. The one in revelation references revelation, and the one in Deuteronomy references Deuteronomy
“Faith without works is dead”. It’s not our works or faith which save us, it is the blood of the lamb which washes away our imperfections. But to access this we must demonstrated faith unto repentance and to show our faith, we must not just say we our followers of Christ, we need to show we are followers of Christ. Actions speak louder than words
So you quote something from the Bible, and say it’s false. Okay…sure sounds like Christ…
Care to explain? @@cormundum_o
@@carterdalby9011 “What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.”
James 2:14-17
The Title before this passage says “Faith without works is dead.” So, I am going to ask you the same as you asked me. Care to explain?
@@cormundum_o Brother, faith without works is dead, but also works without faith is dead as well.
To be saved from both physical and spiritual death. All people will be saved from physical death by the grace of God, through the death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ. Each individual can also be saved from spiritual death by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus Christ. This faith is manifested in a life of obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel and service to Christ.
@@carterdalby9011 Yes I agree
You should read these verses from the Book of Mormon:
10 And now, my beloved brethren, and also Jew, and all ye ends of the earth, hearken unto these words and believe in Christ; and if ye believe not in these words believe in Christ. And if ye shall believe in Christ ye will believe in these words, for they are the words of Christ, and he hath given them unto me; and they teach all men that they should do good.
11 And if they are not the words of Christ, judge ye-for Christ will show unto you, with power and great glory, that they are his words, at the last day; and you and I shall stand face to face before his bar; and ye shall know that I have been commanded of him to write these things, notwithstanding my weakness.
12 And I pray the Father in the name of Christ that many of us, if not all, may be saved in his kingdom at that great and last day.
13 And now, my beloved brethren, all those who are of the house of Israel, and all ye ends of the earth, I speak unto you as the voice of one crying from the dust: Farewell until that great day shall come.
14 And you that will not partake of the goodness of God, and respect the words of the Jews, and also my words, and the words which shall proceed forth out of the mouth of the Lamb of God, behold, I bid you an everlasting farewell, for these words shall condemn you at the last day.
15 For what I seal on earth, shall be brought against you at the judgment bar; for thus hath the Lord commanded me, and I must obey. Amen.
2 Nephi 33: 10-15
ooh is that why LDS refer to themselves as “Jews” and all others gentiles? aren’t they gentiles too?
@@sandy-jn5rd Long answer sorry haha. So the term is kinda mis-used sometimes. Gentiles should be used to refer to people who aren't direct descendants of Israel (Jacob). Jews is a term for jewish people and sometimes for descendants of Jacob because of the promises made by God to him and his posterity. At least that's the kind of vernacular we use in the church. But we also refer to ourselves as gentiles sometimes depending on our lineage but we don't refer to ourselves as Jews. Nice thing is that the same promises made to Israel can be made to all gentiles as well. That's what we teach. Just like in the book of Acts.
What does this say lmao I don't see how this changes anything
I’ll just say this. Any religion that comes after Christianity that bases its premise on Christian doctrine, twists a few stuff that they don’t agree with, and then calls themselves the true religion is a false religion. You can’t outdo the doer
Jesus himself stated there would be a falling away from his gospel, etc. The apostles wrote that it was happening in their own time. Not to mention John in Revelations stating that he saw an angel flying through the heaves with a new gospel, that was in fact fulfilling the prophecy of the restoration of His Gospel and the new teachings and knowledge that was never taught from the beginning.
exactly
@@kingimatthews4481 Maybe some people should really read the Bible, especially the New Testament with an open mind and heart. Those who make the kind of comments this is in reply to are not following His teachings and commandants. He, Himself said, "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." The simple truth is that when the last apostle died, there was no one with the authority and who held His Holy priesthood. That is why there was no more revelations, Gifts of the Spirit, etc. The only ones who had His priesthood were those who were called to their positions by the apostles and they had no authority to call anyone else to any positions.
@@cynthiacook1646 I want to pick up on revelations, an authority, if we can read Moroni ch 10 v 9, I wonder to myself how the Word of Wisdom got onto the plates of brass when clearly the revelation was given by Joseph Smith in D& C . this clearly frustrates everything from timing the dates, the authority, an the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as being the most correct book. translated from reformed egyptian , which modern scholars professors have no knowledge of the reformed egyptian.
@@cynthiacook1646 it was the Jews that put Jesus on the cross. is this their way of showing love an compassion, Jesus had done his work in the garden of gethsemane
If you're going to give a history of Mormons, pronounce the names of their figures correctly or they won't take you seriously. I'm a reformed Christian, not an LDS, but I think you're going to turn a lot of them of by pronouncing Moroni, Lamanites, Nephites, etc incorrectly.
_"I think you're going to turn a lot of them of by pronouncing Moroni, Lamanites, Nephites, etc incorrectly."_ While that is annoying, that isn't what is going to turn us away. Completely misrepresenting our beliefs will.
@@dylanwilliams2202Right? They always go to the same tropes and make it clear the research they've done is only from other critical sources.
as a latter day saint, i always find it funny "the experts" cant even get some of the basic names down.
I'm not suprised. When Jesus walked the earth some people thought he did miracles by the power of the devil. If Jesus the only perfect human was accused of being of the devil who are we compared to him?? Jesus was hated and his only true church is hated. I know that 99% of the people who say it's not true haven't even read the Book of mormon but there's a prophecy in the book of mormon that says that everyone that believes in the Bible will believe in the Book of mormon.
Nobody goes to the church for information. It's like asking someone on the left what the people on the right believe, or on the right what the people on the left believe. All you get is regurgitated nonsense
He was a Freemason which is never a good sign
I asked that an ex Mormon. His response No, they are not the same. He also called Mormonism a cult.
Yes I'm a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saint, and I love the Cult of Christ.
@@clearstonewindows not what he meant. He criticized the leaders of the Mormon church, said they had to much power and were mostly interested in bossing everything.
@@lightsinthedarkness and what do you think about his statements and position?
@@lightsinthedarkness I am a member of the church of Jesus Chris of latter day saints. I would hardly describe God or his prophets as bossy or type x managers.
God didn't just put us here to be bossed around and do good he put his here too love and freely choose to do good and follow Jesus Christ
@@clearstonewindows he was talking about the current leaders. And how these leaders boss people around.
Not Mormon but faith without works is dead
So true! (that is what the bible taught) and also Jesus! ("Be ye doers, and not only hearers!")
"God the Father was a good Man on another Planet." He earned his status by being a "good Mormon ".
Hmmm, Mormonism was here before God?
My takeaway is Mormonism is belief and worshiping an Alien... technically, since God is defined as being from another planet.
Thanks for the very clear explanation.
I'll stick to the Trinity.
Galatians 1:8-9
8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
as a latter day saint, all i have to say is, TRUE. anyone who brings a new gospel, even if its from "an angel", will be cursed. we must follow the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Exactly right. Two Mormon guys came to our house and I read Galatians 1: 8-9 to them.
@@matildamaher1505 as a Latter Day Saint, all I have to say is amen. No other gospel!
a foreshadowing !
One critique, to say Christians believe in salvation by faith alone is not incorrect, just incomplete. Catholics, orthodox, and the ancient church’s also believe works are necessary in addition to faith. To leave that out is to leave out around 62% of all Christian’s worldwide.
I second this. I think she should have said Protestants instead when she said that Christians believe in salvation by faith alone. Catholics and Orthodox are also Christian, but they believe in faith plus works.
And they stole all their rituals from the Masonic lodge. Makes you question the lodge as well
THe "masons" actually were only trying to perserve the "lost" rituals from Egypt, and then down to Adam (where God and Jesus - walked in the garden with Adam & Eve).
@@nute742 uh huh, sure sure, I believe the folk lore from the Masonic lodge. Next you’ll tell me Paul Bunyan is real
@@patrickpelletier9298 like I said from what I know - they preserved some of the old knowledge + traditions of the Egyptians. (But that even goes back more anciently to Adam)! A great and fun movie (if you haven't seen it is National Treasure) with Nicolaus Cage!
@@nute742 the group was founded in the 1500s
They might have some practices that the Egyptians followed, but so does the Catholic Church
Its "so funny" a part of this video says Christians "don't believe you have to (1) be baptized (2) obey the commandments, etc.! (Which is what Jesus taught)! Real Christians follow Jesus teachings and do them! That is how to get "real salvation" (living with God + Jesus). LDS do believe in the Godhead (each is his own God) it doesn't make 3 to make "one God" but 3 gods to make one team! (if that makes sense, lol).
Ex Mormon here. I converted to Christianity on March 2022
If you were LDS (at one point) then you were "always" a christian (now you are just a different kind though).
Were you baptized too is it there a difference from being baptized by others?
@@louiefence6579 since the LDS Church is a fraud that may help with your question.
How would that help with the church Baptizing for the dead., a temple ordinance.
The Bible CLEARLY states in multiple places that we cannot add on nor take away from the Bible.
They're wonderful, kind, devout, lovable...but, no, not Christian. Different god, another gospel.
Dude, this is perfect for me! I have a ton of Mormon friends and I'm trying to evangelize them. It's very difficult because there's so many of them and all of their friends and family are also LDS so it's all they know. I pray that I can get through to at least one person and save a soul IN JESUS NAME!
Let me guess... Utah?
Remember when dealing with the LDS they are much like Catholics, the false teachings are so ingrained and deep rooted that it takes time. So many Mormons will have to contend with losing their families and life as they know it if they leave. Don't be discouraged, educate yourself on their teachings so you can understandwhat they mean when they use similar phrases,terms & words, and most importantly, PRAY.
@@lightsinthedarknessI’m in Utah, Catholic, just moved here, man I’ve tried talking to them to learn their religion and one of em just hates when I refer to Jesus and God as the same, oh and also Mary as the Mother of God as they don’t believe Jesus is God
@@DBossMC May God Bless your endeavors in evangelizing to them.
It’s easier to fool someone than to tell a fool they’ve been fooled. Trust in God. Two of my brothers have left the faith after being church hurt or using “morality” without God. God let me know the next day when I got this news that everything is in his hands. Pray without ceasing and God will see it through
“Faith without works is dead.” - James 2:20 KJV
Fundamentally Christians believe that Christ saved us from sin. And we are saved through faith in Christ. But without works our faith is dead as is said in the Bible. There are thousands of separate Christian theology’s. A catholic can’t just say a Presbyterian isn’t Christian because they believe different things. While yes Mormons may have the most radical differences, we believe strongly in Christ as our savior. There are also many things in this video that are misrepresented.
true faith produces works. false faith (dead faith that wont save the individual) wont produce works. so if your faith isnt producing anything in your life and youre still the same as before, it is dead. if someone says he's a christian and his deeds are not good, he doesnt have a saving faith. "Therefore by their fruits you will know them." you cant meet with Christ and not be changed. your attitudes, thinking, actions and so on. if youd think Christ is your savior you'd rely only on Him and would obey Him cause He's also Lord:)
I’ve never seen the LDS faith accurately represented in these types of videos. Maybe instead of repeating the same evangelical cliff notes version of Mormonism, they should ask some LDS members what they think of Christ rather than tell them they are not Christians. As a LDS member, I’ve always been taught that we are only saved by faith in Jesus Christ. Only through his grace and mercy can we be redeemed. Nothing we can do of ourselves will redeem us from death and sin. His sacrifice is a free gift for us to claim through our faith. Our works come about as result of or as the product of our faith. Baptism is a work, and it comes about after receiving faith in Christ. It is the fruit of faith. Jesus taught “whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.” We must hear the words of Christ AND act on them. Our works are evidence of our faith in Jesus Christ as the only name under heaven wherein we can be saved. Living the gospel, which some may say is based on acts, is how we build our house on the rock and develop deeper relationship with Him and learn to be more like Him. And just as James taught that “faith without works is dead,” so is the inverse of that statement true. Works without faith are dead. The act of being baptized or partaking of the sacraments does not save you in and of itself. It must be an act motivated by faith in Christ.
“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
Romans 4:5
Faith without works is a faith that makes one righteous. Faith with works is a faith that pleases God and saves us from discipline. A dead faith is still faith. It does not disprove it's existence. Grace and works are totally separate.
@@walternate2914 amen brother
Good works is a RESULT of faith, the two are not mutually exclusive. There are people who claim to have faith and do good works when they don’t truly believe. Some do good works because they feel obligated to and not because they are driven by their faith. The Bible teaches that anybody who believes in Jesus as their Lord and Savior and repents is saved. Point blank. If an atheist on their deathbed truly repents to Jesus and dies an hour later, he is saved despite not carrying out “good works”. Your interpretation of the verse is way off as it relates to salvation.
Being an ex-Mormon exploring Presbyterianism,
no.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth.
The Presbyterian church is where I grew up, and the Reformed tradition has a lot of incredible value and deep theological wisdom. I don’t personally know whether I think it is the most theologically accurate or whether i adhere to Calvinist doctrine, but I am convinced that the Presbyterian church I am at is God-honoring.
A great Christian tradition to explore. I’ve grown up Presbyterian and I’ve started looking into Anglicanism. Presbyterians will always welcome you and will always be pleased to talk about Theology with you.
@@dylanwilliams2202It is a heretical church that started with a 14 year old story-teller. This was known, is known and always will be known. Turn to Christ.
@@cormundum_o N.T. Wright also has me interested in Anglicanism.
Total opposite lol 👋😅👉🚪
Believing that Christ died for your sins is what makes you a Christian. To say that is an insult to the millions of members. Also, the Bible makes lots of claims about the importance of faith + works: like James 2:26. “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” There’s also 2 Corinthians 9:8 “And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work.” God and his mercy are infinite, but he can’t give it to you unless you ask.
Also, we believe in heaven and hell. The difference though is that we believe these are more of a sort of temporary thing. The 3 kingdom part (it’s somewhere in 1 Corinthians but I don’t remember exactly where) is the belief that these are sort of our final destinations, as where heaven and hell are more temporary. We will stay in either or until judgement day. Then we can go to one of the three kingdoms. There’s a kind of 4th one like the atheist death where god will send everyone who knew him perfectly and rejected him (demons and Cain). I hear about belief that we think God was once a “good Mormon” as this video calls it, but I’ve only ever heard of it from anti-Mormon videos. I can’t really confirm or deny this as there’s no scriptural evidence for either beleif.
We also almost never read doctrine and convents or the pearl of great price. D&C is more like a record of Joseph smiths life (no clue why we have it) and the pearl of great price is seiriously only like 20-30 pages long.
It’s fine if you don’t like our religion or you disagree with it, we can’t stop you. But please, love your neighbor. We’ve been bullied ever since Joseph smith started to try to preach the Book of Mormon. We have literally had a kill order on us from the state of Missouri where they called us a plague that needs to be rid of. We have been nothing short of nice and, while our beliefs may seem odd to some, don’t feed the cycle of hate.
Then STOP sending missionaries out to pull people out of our churches!
Thank you for your sincere comment, Octavius. I thought of answering a couple things regarding our canon of scriptures:
The Book of Mormon is the keystone of our religion and of our testimony to God.
In the Doctrine and Covenants God revealed many of the commandments by which the church nowadays operates and adheres to (For example, the law of tithing and the Word of Wisdom) It also contains in detail the commandment of the Lord for us to build temples and the ordinances contained therein, as well as many prophetic witnesses of the Priesthood power and keys found nowadays in the church, that no other church possesses.
The Pearl of Great price, although short in content, is *rich* in Spiritual truth. The book of Moses explains God's purpose and Glory: _to bring to pass the immortality and Eternal Life of man_ and insights of the creation of the world. Part of the "endowment" temple ordinance comes from here. The book of Abraham was a translation of _long_ papyri that Joseph Smith acquired, in which, among other things, a few teachings of the prophet Abraham appear: Our premortal life, our divine legacy and part of our purpose. Then you have the Joseph Smith's translation of Matthew, which brings more insight to our understanding of the last days and the many things that will happen during them. Lastly, you have the articles of faith, the core principles and beliefs that define our Latter day saint "culture" so to say.
I hope it was helpful in any way. I've seen your comments and you are a wonderful defender of the faith.
Have a wonderful evening 🌆
@@zbh001My testimony today in the lord has increased since we talked about the first vision and the epistle of james in sunday school. This video unfortunately has failed to put context on certain aspects of the religion but no hate! Love to my fellow neighbors and followers of Christ❤❤
@@FabianLopez-vj7ye Thank you for sharing your feelings, brother Fabian. Glad to see you enjoyed this week's Come Follow Me lesson.
*buzzer sound* wrong! Adhering to the Apostolic Creed makes you a Christian. Saying that “Christ died for sins” is only part of that - as the crisis of the Arian heresy showed. Mormons reject the most fundamental belief about God (that there is only one eternal God). They even adhere to the belief that Divine Revelation is still ongoing, which means that the LDS apostles could come out tomorrow and announce that actually Jesus *did not* die on the Cross, and the mormons would be obliged to assent to it. It’s all gnosticism dressed up in a Jesus-like veneer
Short answer: N
Long answer: No
Mormonism is the same as Islam, false doctrine according to the new testament - Galacians 1:6-9 - "6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel- 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!"
Also.. Matthew 7:15-16 - "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them."
What are the fruits of Mormonism? Directly contradicts the teachings of Christ, contradicts historical accounts, adds new teachings with regards to the nature of God not expressed previously/the afterlife/what it means to be saved. Mormonism encouraged slavery, described darker skin people as cursed and subhuman.
If you are an athiest you would say that Americans, with American world views made up a bunch of new crap to justify their existing beliefs.
How is Mormonism similar to Islam? Islam literally rejects Christ's divinity and has an entirely different focus while Mormons center their faith around Jesus Christ and believe Jesus is God and He died for our sins as an eternal sacrifice. We believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ. The same one that Christian's believe. The same one that's in the Bible. It shouldn't even be a question whether Mormons are Christians, but there is a lot of misinformation out there about Mormons unfortunately(most of this video doesn't accurately represent our beliefs at all).
Mormonism doesn't contradict the teachings of Christ. We literally believe in the Bible, and believe in all of Christ's teachings from the Bible. And you clearly have never read the Book of Mormon, because if you did, you would see that it clearly fits with Christian beliefs and with the teachings of Bible.
And the Bible "encouraged" slavery too lol and also we aren't racist lol look at 2 Nephi 26:33 "...He inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile."
I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just saying that you should probably try to understand a religion before bashing it lol
And just a side note - we usually don't refer to ourselves as "mormons", that's just what people call us. It's a nickname from believing in the Book of Mormon. We're members of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints.
Short answer is NO. It's better to start there and then explain why
This video is to inform. Not to give an opinion.
Define Christian then
@@40wolfmarim95 a fact is not an opinion, there was a clear question and the clear answer is they're not Christians. The information on the video has to be regarding the reasons why they're not.
@@40wolfmarim95 do you know the Nicean creed? That sums it up. But must in Christian theology is that there's only One God, one essence but three persons, The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, three persons ONE GOD.
Mormons teach there are many gods, Jesus is one God, the Father is another God, etc.
@@umatveg With all due respect, could you please show me a single Bible verse that condemns the existence of other Gods? We learn from the King Follett Discourse that we have always existed, and if we had a definite beginning, we would prove to have a definite End. God has always existed, and has always been God. Mortality, via the discourse, is compared to a ring. A ring has one eternal round, no beginning and no end. But, when you break the ring, it opens up a definite beginning and end. This is mortality. God is always eternal, but, like a broken ring, experienced mortality, chose Good, and, once ressurected, the ring was brought back together, and the ring was once more whole.
If all "Gods" are eternal, then there weren't, ever, any Gods formed before or after God. We learn in Psalms 82 that we are Gods. We are the same type of being as God. Gods in embryo. No Gods were formed before or after; they have always existed. Yes, we shall have no other Gods besides the one we know, love, respect, and bring glory to; and that is as far as it goes. WE shall have no other Gods than the one we owe our mortality to now. He will always be our God, and always has been. Makes almost perfect sense to me. Sorry to offend. If you disagree or don't understand what I am saying, feel free to respond or rebutt.
They are not lol
This was amazing !!!! Almost got converted to Mormonism though lol as constructive Criticism id say wrap up the video by clarifying/sharing the real gospel a little more. Besides that amazing video. Very informative , I was blessed
Anyone who is pro lgbtq is not follower Christ
Our beliefs are massively oversimplified. It’s frustrating to be misrepresented like this.
What are the things that are misrepresented?
@@Decision_Justice Thanks for asking. I’ll go through my objections to the video.
At around 0:21 and 4:52, they point out that the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS is new, unlike other religions. To me, the subtext seems to be “older” = more likely to be true. By that measure, then, shouldn’t we all be followers of Zoroastrianism, the oldest monotheistic religion still around today? Our religion claims to be a restoration religion; through modern prophetic revelation, God restored many practices and truths and authority that had been present in the early Christian church but had since been lost.
By the way, early Christians believed in tritheism. The concept of the triune God and the trinity is a product of the Nicene Creed. We reject post-New Testament creeds because we believe God’s revelation through prophets is the source of truth, and the organizers of those creeds were not prophets.
See:
David L. Paulsen, “Early Christian Belief in Corporeal Deity: Origen and Augustine as Reluctant Witnesses,” Harvard Theological Review 83, no. 2 (1990): 105-16. For the increasing complexity of creedal formulations over time, see J. Stevenson, ed., Creeds, Councils and Controversies: Documents Illustrating the History of the Church, AD 337-461, rev. ed. (London: SPCK, 1989).
Lost Christianities: The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew (New York: Oxford University Press, 2005)
1:55: this idea of the origin of God comes originates from the King Follett Discourse, a sermon by Joseph Smith, which was not canonized. While we do believe that humans can become like God through the atonement of Jesus Christ (as did early Christians), we don’t have much official doctrine about who God was before humanity existed. To say that “he was a man on another planet who became a god by being a good Mormon” is very reductive.
Early Christians also believed in deification, or the ability of the faithful to become like God.
See:
Norman Russell, The Doctrine of Deification in the Greek Patristic Tradition (2004), 6.
Irenaeus, “Against Heresies,” in Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, eds., The Ante-Nicene Fathers: Translations of the Writings of the Fathers Down to A.D. 325 (1977), 1:526.
2:07 The video claims that we believe that a combination of faith and works saves us. Again, this is reductive and misrepresentative. We believe that JESUS saves us. Nothing we do can actually be redemptive; we believe that Christian conduct and priesthood ordinances bring the power of God into our lives, but they are not what save us in themselves. It also really bothers me when they say “good Christians know that salvation comes from faith alone.” This is a good way to reduce centuries of theological debate into a single phrase. The question of faith vs works continues to be debated in many branches of Christianity, so saying “good Christians know” seems to be really Protestant-specific. Are Catholics not Christians because they have sacraments? What about Orthodox Christians?
2:35 we believe that even those who reject God will be given some degree of glory in the afterlife. Our concept of heaven and hell, with the three degrees of glory, is also more profound and complex than this is making it seem. www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/kingdoms-of-glory?lang=eng#p8.
www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/hell?lang=eng
www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/76?lang=eng#p27
3:20 we do not believe that being in a specific place saves you. Not a single one of us would claim that. Today, we define “Zion” not as a place but as “the pure in heart,” wherever they are found across the globe.
3:30 they present John 14:4-7 as if it’s a refutation to what we believe. We treasure this verse, as well as the entire Bible, and fully believe that Jesus is the way, the truth, the life. As I said earlier, we believe Jesus saves us, not our works.
3:47 it’s true we believe in more than the Bible. We have an open canon; technically, other documents could be canonized in the future as well. This is because we believe the arbiter of truth is God via prophetic revelation, not the Biblical text itself. The Biblical text is one of many revelatory texts written by prophets of God. We reject the doctrine of Sola Scriptura.
See: The Formation of the Christian Biblical Canon, rev. ed. (Peabody, MA: Hendrickson, 1995), 254-56.
www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/bible-inerrancy-of?lang=eng#title28
3:53 implying that you’re only a Christian if you use the same vocabulary as… U.S. Protestants. Again, what about all the other branches of Christianity that use different phrases to talk about the gospel?
4:26 we do not believe that missionary service earns you a better spot in the afterlife. Big misrepresentation. It’s a voluntary service we do out of love for God and desire to share, but we don’t believe it has any bearing whatsoever on our salvation.
5:02 there’s a surprising amount of historical evidence for the Book of Mormon. You’d be surprised.
See:
S. Kent Brown, “New Light from Arabia on Lehi’s Trail,” in Echoes and Evidences of the Book of Mormon, edited by Donald W. Parry, Daniel C. Peterson, and John W. Welch (Provo, Utah: Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies, 2002), 81-83.
H. Curtis Wright, "Ancient Burials of Metal Documents in Stone Boxes: Their Implications in Library History," The Journal of Library History, Vol. 16, No. 1, Libraries & Culture I (Winter, 1981), pp. 48-70.
David S. Hyman, A Study of the Calcareous Cements in Prehispanic Mesoamerican Building Construction (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University, 1970), ii, sec. 6, p. 7.
I can give more if you like.
@@Decision_Justice Looks like my previous comment was deleted.
One question. Do you really believe that God was a man from other planet, that became "god" by living a mormon type of life, as was stated in the video?
@@Decision_Justice Just so you know, every time I try to post my response, they delete it.
Actually, Latter-day Saints are Christians. And we do believe in the Trinity as you describe it. Jesus describes how the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one. In John 17:22, Jesus prays to the Father concerning his apostles, and He says, “that they may be ONE, _even as_ WE are ONE.” In other words, in the same exact way the Father and the Son are one, he is praying that the Twelve may be one. It’s the Father God? Yes. It’s the Son God? Yes. Is the Holy Spirit God? Absolutely. Are all three manifestations of a single God? No. That would be modalism, as God would be acting in different modes. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one in the Godhead, acting as one.
Regarding the three degrees of glory, you are assuming to put into ten seconds of what took more than an hour to reveal. The scriptures teach that in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. Thus it was that the vision was given to two men, Joseph Smith and a former Cambellite preacher, who, when he first read from the Book of Mormon, slammed it down on the table next to him, saying he didn’t believe a word of it! Later, he received a spiritual witness of it and joined the church, becoming a great orater and defender of it, but making Alexander Campbell a lifelong enemy of the church.
Why did the Lord choose the Campbellite preacher, Sidney Rigdon, to be one of the two to receive the vision? Because, I think, Rigdon was coming into the church with many preconceived beliefs about heaven and hell. There were others in the room at the time, seeing nothing. One of these, however, while not seeing the vision itself, saw the light, or glory from the vision. You can read the vision here: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/76?lang=eng&id=1-4#title_number1.
The apostle Paul also taught there would be _three levels of glory_ in the resurrection. On Earth, there are mammals, birds and fish, and in the heavens, there are the Sun, the Moon and the Stars. And even as one star differs from another in glory, “so also is the resurrection of the dead.” (See 1 Cor. 15:39-42)
If there is only one Heaven and one Hell, why would Paul teach there are many glories in resurrection? And do not the wicked suffer in Hell? To to the latter question, yes, they do suffer in Hell. We just don’t believe they suffer forever, but rather, that Hell is remedial in nature. It takes wicked men and makes them see their wickedness.
“For behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would repent. But if they would _not_ repent they must suffer even as I; which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit - and would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrink, nevertheless, glory be to the Father, and I partook and finished my preparations unto the children of men.” (D&C 19)
The suffering in Hell, while temporary, is not to be taken lightly. For the Lord said, “and by my anger...your sufferings be sore - how sore you know not, how exquisite you know not, yea, how hard to bear you know not.” (D&C 19) To think that GOD would torture anyone for _eternity_ does not reflect favorably on Him, for He is just, merciful and loving, and torturing anyone for eternity doesn’t make accomplish anything. How would it _help_ those in Hell? (Joseph Smith once said that in Hell, man is his own tormentor.) Imagine Hitler having to witness, even experience, the lives, from birth to death, of each person he murdered in his death camps. And this in the God’s context. This is Hell.
Those in Hell will suffer throughout the Millennium. And just as in the three glories of resurrection, when Adam fell, the Earth entered the telestial phase, or lowest part of its existence, likened to the Stars✨. During the Millennium, it will enter the terrestrial phase, compared to the Moon🌜. Finally, after the resurrection of the unjust at the end of the Millennium, the Earth will be _fully_ cleansed and glorified, becoming like the Sun 🌞 in glory, and all corruptible aspects will be burned. Those in Hell will be redeemed, resurrected and will enter a Kingdom of Telestial glory. But first they must suffer for their own sins.
Finally, yes, the Latter-day Saints believe the couplet, “As man is, God once was; as God is, man may become.” It would take too long to to treat this with the depth it deserves, but ask yourselves: Why is it that man in God’s Image? But that’s not the real question, is it? There real question is, why is God in _man’s_ image?
If man is in God’s Image, the reverse also is true. So why does God have a head, hands, face, arms, feet and so forth? Why does the Great God of Heaven have an image that is terrestrial (earthly) in nature? He created us to look like Him. But wait, isn’t God everywhere? Doesn’t He fill the immensity of Space and Time like your diagram? Yes, if you’re a Catholic or a Protestant who came out of Catholicism. That teaching goes all the way back to the patristic era, but it _doesn’t_ go back to the _apostolic_ era! And that’s the problem.
Another problem is this, and buckle up for this one: If Adam is in God’s Image, in whose image was Eve created in? Moses writes that GOD (Elohim plural for “God”) created man, “male and female,” in His Image. Is it not possible that there is a female element to the plural “GODs”?
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That was so well produced and succinct, thank you!
Jesus Christ built his church 2,000 years ago through his apostles whom he ordained and guided by revelations. Why are there now thousands of “Christian churches” with differing doctrines of salvation based on their own interpretations from the Bible? This is proof that the gospel had been perverted and needed to be restored in these latter days in preparation for the second coming of Jesus Christ. The true gospel has been restored and began to be preached since 1830 by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The restored Church has a missionary arm like no other in the world, now (2023) with over 70,000 full-time missionaries serving freely to preach the RESTORED GOSPEL in 160 countries. The church is preparing the saints and the world for the second coming of Jesus Christ.
Imagine Dragons lead singer Dan Reynolds and guitarist Wayne Sermon were Mormons themselves. Dan Reynolds is now an ex-Mormon and is not religious, but recent Imagine Dragons songs seem to be hinting that Dan is looking for his faith. Wayne Sermon is also now an ex-Mormon and currently an atheist
Well I hope they find Jesus and have a good life
It is a bit creepy that his life did resemble in some way the life of Moses. May God show the truth and light to Mormons.
Maybe there is something to it?
This comment section reeks of protestants
God bless you Sister!
Short answer, No
I am YHWH, and there is no one else.
Besides me, there is no God.
I will strengthen you,
though you have not known me;
that they may know from the rising of the sun,
and from the west,
that there is no one besides me.
I am YHWH, and there is no one else.
(Isaiah 45:5-6)
This is what YHWH, the King of Israel,
and his Redeemer, YHWH of Armies is his name, says:
“I am the first, and I am the last;
and besides me there is no God.
Who is like me?
Who will call,
and will declare it,
and set it in order for himself,
since I established the ancient people?
Let them say the things that are coming,
and declare what will happen.
(Isaiah 44:6-7)
Christians only worship one God, not multiple gods like Mormonism.
This is the testimony of the Patriarchs, Prophets and the
One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth-as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”- yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.
(1 Corinthians 8:5-6)
Most old testament scholars (both Jewish and Christian) agree that Isaiah 43:10 and all the other Isaiah verses are asserting the supremacy, authority, and superiority of Yahweh and a warning to not worship another God, not meaning there are literally no other Gods. When this verse and all the other ones are read in context then it is clear that Isaiah's reference to forming god is speaking of graven images of metal and/or wood. Isaiah 44:8-18 makes it abundantly clear it is talking about idolatry. When Yahweh said there aren't any "gods" before or after Him, He is referring to an Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent, Benevolent Ruler to whom man should direct their worship towards. This is further proven when Isaiah 47:8-10 depicts the city of Babylon as saying "Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and *none else beside me;* I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children: For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and *none else beside me."* There were very much other Cities besides Babylon during this time, one being Jerusalem.
The old testament is filled with references of other Gods and us even becoming Gods. Deuteronomy 10:17 "For the LORD your *God is God of gods* and Lord of lords".Psalms 82:1 “God has taken his place in the divine council; *in the midst of the gods* he holds judgment” and Psalm 86:8 *“There is none like you among the gods,* O Lord, nor are there any works like yours.”
_"Christians only worship one God, not multiple gods like Mormonism."_ LOL A Catholic saying we are polythiestic? That is hilarious. We are Henothiestic, not polythiestic.
Catholics have no say in this because you all worship Mary (and the rest of the saints). You can deny it all you want but Catholics in Central and South America will have pictures and statues of Mary and pray to her statue. The pope prayed to a statue of Mary to stop the pandemic and the war/conflict between Russia and Ukraine. Catholics have many prayers that you can recite that start by calling on Mary and talking to Mary so she can intercede on our behalf with God. If you are bowing down and praying to Mary for help and having religious rites to honor Mary then that is the definition of worship. Mary is wonderful and deserves recognition but she should not be worshiped and she does not play any role in heaven or mediating or interceding on our behalf with God and Jesus Christ. You saying that the prayers are through Jesus Christ doesn’t mean anything, we are directed to pray only to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ.
There is no place in the Bible that even closely resembles anything like what Catholics say about Mary. Mary wasn't talked about in letters by early church fathers like how modern catholics do until 295 AD. The veneration (worship) of Mary didn't start in roughly the fifth century. There is no evidence of Christians worshiping saints or Mary before the fourth century. By the 13th century, with the influence of Francis of Asissi and Bernard of Clairvaux, the Catholic Church began to make the veneration of Mary a large part of the Catholic Church. It was in the 13th century that the phrase “Hail Mary, full of grace” was first used. Your traditions are not a part of biblical theology.
Worshiping Mary, the cross or a picture or statue of Christ (or anything else) goes against the 2nd commandment “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them…” Exodus 20:4-5 and Deuteronomy 5:8-9.
Also, you are not Apostolic. We know more apostles were called from Acts 1:26 with Matthias and with Paul and Barnabas being called apostles in Acts 14:14 and Paul introducing himself as an apostle of the Lord in all his letters and saying he was *ordained* an Apostle in 1 Timothy 2:7. Ephesians 2:20 says the church is built on the foundation of apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ being the cornerstone. Paul is saying that the priesthood foundation of the household of God includes apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ being the cornerstone. Again, Ignatius of Antioch wrote “Let all reverence the deacons as Jesus Christ, and the bishop as the Father; and the presbyters [elders] as the Sanhedrin of God, and college of the apostles. Without these, there is no church.” In other words, in God’s and Jesus Christ’s true church there will be apostles and prophets found. The reverse is also true, a church without apostles and prophets is not the true church of God and Jesus Christ. This has been true since the apostles died, not just the church from 33 AD till around 120 AD. To say otherwise goes against the Bible and God’s word. Once having Apostles or Apostolic authority ~2000 years ago means nothing now since you don’t have them or it anymore.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. The Catholic Church is nothing but the first apostate church filled with false teachings and idolatry and has no claim of authority.
funny, as a latter day saint, everything you posted as a christian beleif, i agree with lol
Remember, Christianity is a relationship with the savior As a member, that’s my focus As a convert, I still don’t know why that’s confusing to people. My favorite is, it’s a different Jesus lol! So funny
Wow. I don't know if the girl is from a different country, but she didn't even try to pronounce Nephites, Lamanites, or Zion correctly. No, the LDS church does not adhere to the Nicene creed. We believe in a social Trinity, not "tritheism," which is honestly a term that could be used against all Christians. And the Book of Mormon musical was written by two atheists to satirize our entire religion. It does NOT represent what our church does at all. Why do Protestants turn to atheists to bash on our religion? If you really want to play from that angle, you can't prove any religion is true with empirical evidence. Protestantism only exists because of the printing press, otherwise we would all be Catholic. There is no proof that Protestantism is the one true faith. Good luck evangelizing Utah.
Protestants tend to forget about 1st Corinthians Chapter 15 a lot
Absolutely not Christians
Joseph Smith: "We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see."
You have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you.
“Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one!
Deuteronomy 6:4
“Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me."
Isaiah 43:10
“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.
Isaiah 44:6 NASB1995
Mormons teach Jesus is Lucifers brother
All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
John 1:3
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
Colossians 1:16-17
Jesus created all things including lucifer
Joseph smith false prophecy
He predicted in1835 the coming of the Lord ,which is nigh-even fifty six years should wind up the scene.
This did not happen
"I firmly believe that there will be some of this generation who shall be living when this temple is reared and I do not believe that the lord has bound himself to accomplish the matter within 100 years from 1832 I have full confidence in the word of the lord and that is shall not fail "
After 140 years the Mormon church itself admitted this was a false prophecy
When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.
Deuteronomy 18:22 NASB1995
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!
Galatians 1:8-9
The Jesus of jospeh smith is not the Jesus of Scripture you must repent on this cult and turn to saving faith in the True Jesus of the Word of God
Absolutely not. They are deceived
I'm still in the church at 17 bc of being born into it. You are 100% right
name calling aside, I did learn a lot from the comments section, denying, confirming, and adding to this video.
And also about Islam, and Hindu ! and Freemasons !
And some more on the protestant v catholic v orthodox row.
All discussions here are interesting, but dry and lacking in context. Come watch The Chosen series for a break, it’s a good chicken soup for the soul. If you need a good cry and some laughs. Then come back here and argue some more.
Many of the audience here is Christian, so I would like to respectfully ask you something. How would you feel if someone who had never read the Bible started misrepresenting what you believe in? Like if they said "Christians believe in talking donkeys and magic sticks" as if that is meant to accurately and fully describe your beliefs?
If anyone reads this please watch the latest General Conference. Listen to the Prophet and actually understand what we, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, actually believe and teach. I don't care who calls us Christian or not. We believe in Jesus Christ and that everyone can be saved if they follow him, believe in his name, and listen to his words in the New Testament, Book of Mormon, and Doctrine and Covenants.
I respect your firm faith in what you believe in, and we don't believe you are going to hell at all. If we would all please love and respect each other just like Jesus would, maybe we could actually get somewhere instead of furiously typing on a screen. That goes to everyone reading this; Mormon, Christian, anyone. If Jesus were here today, would he be arguing in a random comment section or kindly teaching all of God's children with love?
Why add on to an already complete book? Islam did something similar
Ex-mormon here, attended BYU Provo, studied the texts in detail, worked in the MTC. Now a follower of the true Christ and a believer in the real, saving gospel. This video is accurate and does not misrepresent LDS teachings. The LDS church is not Christian. Furthermore, if an atheist attacked my faith with misrepresentations, it wouldn't bother me at all. Because my faith is logical. It's grounded in history and reason, and can be defended. It's not based on my emotions or wishful thinking.
Your Prophet said every man must marry several wives as a REQUIREMENT. How is that love and respect? How is that of God?
@@Decision_Justice Let's see, that was how many years ago? 1,2,3...50 or more!
There are many different theories as to why that happened.
It may have been because the church needed to grow quickly, so they had multiple wives for that reason
It may have been because many of the single women's husbands had been killed and they needed support
It may have been because one of the leaders misinterpreted a revelation (yes ofc it's possible)
It may have been something completely different.
God works in mysterious ways. Not every single man was asked to do that. Yes, some men became depraved and twisted the words, which is how we have (or hopefully had) the FLDS.
Yes, we all hate that that happened, even though we didn't live it.
@@toethegangsta Even the very bible added on to itself! (Because not all of it was put into "chronological order")! Many books according to that logic would not be in it (as the bible is really a "compilation" ) of books together in one. What it really meant is also was not to "take away" which was done many times (especially in Rome) hundreds of years later. One "true concept' that was taken away was actually documented (for doing this) 400 ad, the teaching of "pre-mortal life" when we lived with God (the father) and Jesus Christ before the world was created! We lived with them and agreed to come to Earth and have Jesus as our Savoir (we were all there, you and me)!
You guys just fundamentally misunderstand our religion. If you want to know why, please ask me. We don't believe in works based salvation, or that you need to live in independence missouri, or that God lived on another planet and was a "good mormon." These are all very skewed misunderstandings of the religion.
No you are not Christians. The Bible says in Galatians 1:8-9 KJV:
“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
Mormons preach a different Gospel
The Gospel that scripture is referring to is the Gospel of Jesus Christ, ie: that it is only thru Him that we are saved. This is also the Gospel that "Mormons" believe and preach.
@@garretlevi Mormons believe that Lucifer and Jesus are brothers, each had a plan for man's salvation, and they decided to use Jesus' plan. You believe that the shedding of his blood in the garden was the atonement but it was his actual DEATH that accomplished salvation because the wages of sin is DEATH. Mormons believe that man can become god, as God the Father was also once a man but is now exalted. You believe that God physically had sex with the Virgin Mary whereas Christians believe that the Holy SPIRIT caused her to become pregnant. You also believe that the atonement is insufficient for salvation and that you need to add works. Christians understand that the atonement is sufficient and that works help to improve our own (saved) spiritual being and also are the fruits of our spirit.
@@garretleviI and my Father are one.
[John 10:30]
Mormons go against this verse by believing in a tritheism instead of trinity.
So they clearly go against the gospel teaching a different one. Smith is being decieved by the fallen angel/demon.
@@garretleviAbsolutely not. God is an eternal being outside of time and space, but you people think that He was just a funky alien.
@@cani_caiado1586 LOL You are misquoting John 10:30. Jesus Christ does the Father's will and His (Jesus Christ) will is subjected to the Father making him both the Son and the Father or one. The Father because He acts and speaks on His behalf and the son because he is the literal flesh or Son of God. This is also expressed in John 17:21-23 where *Jesus says he wants us to be one with Him and the Father as they are with each other.* Unless you want to say that we are going to become part of the Trinity.
The trinitarian view of God (3 persons 1 being) is not found in the Bible. No verse describes God as 3 persons 1 being in the Old or New Testament, if God was like that then wouldn't you think it would have been explicitly mentioned? It doesn't say that and no honest reading of the Bible would lead you to conclude that God is 3 persons 1 being and every Biblical scholar of all denominations agrees with that. The Bible claims Jesus Christ is Lord (Romans 10:9, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Philippians 2:11) and the Son of God (Matthew 3:17, Matthew 17:5, John 10:36, John 20:31, Acts 9:20), He is our mediator with God (1 Timothy 2:5), He said that God the Father is greater (John 14:28) and that God was his God (John 20:17), He wanted us to be one with Him and God as they are with each other (John 17:21-23). Paul very clearly tells us that to us there is one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 8:6). No where in the Bible does it describe God and Jesus Christ like how you all do and there is no verse in the bible to back up your pagan belief and to explain it you have to use sources that came centuries later.
Y’all literally are not followers of Christ and the Word of God proves it! “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.”
Galatians 1:8-12 KJV
Don’t be fooled just because the name of Jesus is used in that book doesn’t mean it’s talking about the true and living God Jesus Christ, the word of God data satan himself appears as an angel of light( 2Corin.11:14) and the Lord Jesus says if someone says heres Christ or there believe him not because many false Christ and false prophets will arise.(Matt.24:23-24) I encourage everyone following this false narrative/doctrine of man to repent and turn to Christ Jesus to be a true follower of his/true Christian for he alone is the only way!
Holy Canoli, so much misinformation. For the sake of everyone here, let’s fact check some of this:
0:00 - 0:15 the question was “are mormons Christian,” not “are Mormons just like any other Christian denomination.” Those are very different questions, and right off the bat you make some bad assumptions. First off, Mormonism is not 1 denomination, it’s a tradition spanning over 100 denominations. The predominant denomination, the one you are talking about throughout this video, is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which has roughly 17 million members. Now is that denomination just like all the other Christians denominations? No. They claim to be the only true and living church on earth, all others having become heretical and ineffectual, so everyone on all sides agrees that they’re not in the same boat there. But are they Christians? Yes, obviously. Latter-day Saints are disciples of Christ who have entered into covenant with him by being baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. They are even ritually anointed as part of their covenant with God (literally christened), that is where the term Christian originates, it referred to those who were christened as followers of the messiah (both Christ and Messiah mean anointed one). As for if they believe in the same God, you’re bringing a lot of assumptions and philosophical baggage into that question that you need to explain. What do you mean by “the same God.” Latter-day Saints believe in the God and Jesus that are described in the Bible. The same God who hears and answers the prayers of other Christians. There is no definition of “Christian” that excludes Mormonism that would not exclude several other Christian traditions that everyone agrees is Christian. Especially because there are Nicene denominations of Mormonism. So unless your definition of Christian is “a believer of Christ that also rejects everything related to Joseph Smith,” then you must admit that Mormons are Christians. Furthermore, it is begging the question of, “Which groups are truly Christian?” To arbitrarily declare that your particular group are the true Christians and therefore you get to define the term and gatekeep the other 2 billion professed Christians in the world.
0:20 - 0:40 for those wondering, this means the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is older than every Protestant denomination in the US except for the Episcopal Church and the Amish (which isn’t really a denomination). So it’s older than every Baptist Convention, every Methodist Church, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Reformed etc. as well as being older than the entire traditions of The JWs, Adventists, Pentecostals, Charismatics, and Evangelicalism. All those churches and traditions were formed after Joseph Smith organized the Church of Jesus Christ, and none of those churches has any line of authority that can be traced back to Christ. In addition, the top 10 Bible translations are as follows: NIV, ESV, NLT, CSB, KJV, NKJV, RV, NIrV, NRSV, and NASB. Of these, all but the KJV are only about 50 years old at most and are constructed from texts not discovered until long after the Book of Mormon was published. So both the Church of Jesus Christ and their scriptures are much older than Protestant churches and scriptures. But if what you meant to say was that Mormonism can’t trace it’s religious traditions and theology to before Joseph Smith, that would also be wrong. Just like all Christian groups, Mormonism traces its roots all the way back to the Old Testament. And particularly Mormon theological traditions such as proxy baptism and henotheism trace back to long before the ecumenical councils and the reforms of Josiah: the two theological movements that form the foundations of Nicene Christianity. So by all accounts, Mormon denominations, scriptures, and theology are all just as old if not much older than that of Protestantism. People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
0:45 - 0:48 Moroni is pronounced more-own-eye, this just shows you haven’t done any actual research much less ever spoken to a real Latter-day Saint. You have no idea what you’re talking about have no credibility to speak on it.
1:05 - 1:15 again, more misinformation to show you don’t know what you’re talking about. The Lamanites (pronounced laymen-nights, not only do you mispronounce this, but it’s not even spelled correctly later in the video) do not defeat the Nephites (knee-fights) in fact, the Nephites win most of their wars prior to Christ’s coming.
1:30 - 1:43 while the Latter-day Saint doctrine of the Godhead is in some ways analogous to tritheism, it is an unrelated doctrine and exists completely outside the paradigm of trinitarianism.
1:46 - 1:52 that’s word for word how an average Latter-day Saint would describe their conception of the Godhead. On a related note, there are some Mormon denominations like the Community of Christ (quarter million members) that are explicitly Nicene and trinitarian in their theology. Would you say that the Community of Christ is Christian, or would you just find another excuse to gatekeep them?
1:51 - 1:58 this is not what the Church of Jesus Christ teaches. You’re getting this information from an anti-Mormon propaganda film called the Godmakers, which you clipped earlier in the video. Shame on you for spreading pernicious propaganda instead of doing your research. The Church of Jesus Christ has no official teaching regarding the life of God the Father prior to the creation of earth, only maintaining that at one point he incarnated in the flesh the same as Jesus did, this teaching is derived from John 5:19. As a side note, if you knew anything about Mormonism, you would realize how ridiculous of a statement “by being a good Mormon he attained the status of God” is. Again, “Mormon” is not the name of the religion, it’s the Church of Jesus Christ. Mormon is the name of the prophet/historian who compiled the scriptural records of his people and wrote the Book of Mormon. God the Father couldn’t be a “Mormon” because Mormon wouldn’t be born until the 4th century AD. That’s like saying “By being a good Lutheran, Jesus attained the status of Christ.” Imagined if you went upto a Lutheran and said, “you’re not a Christian, you’re a Luther, and Luthers aren’t Christians,” or, “you’re not an Israelite, you’re a Moses.” Mainstream Christianity was born out of the early Pauline tradition. Does that mean that Christians are actually Pauls and not Christians? Or that Catholics are actually Peters? Islam is an Abrahamic religion, does that mean they’re Abrahams and not Muslims, oh wait maybe they’re called Qurans? Because that’s what it sounds like when you call Latter-day Saints Mormons.
1:58 - 2:03 Latter-day Saints also believe that God was God for eternity.
2:07 - 2:25 Wrong. Strictly speaking, the Church of Jesus Christ teaches that Salvation comes by the grace of God alone through the Atonement of Jesus Christ unto the resurrection of the dead. Works like the saving ordinances of Baptism are matters of Sanctification. Your status in the afterlife is a matter of who you are and what you want, and not a matter of what you did and did not do because Christ’s grace already covers all that. Furthermore, the vast majority of Christians do not believe that we are saved by faith alone, largely because the Bible outright says we are not saved by faith alone (James 2:24). Even the people who espouse the teaching of Sola Fide aren’t actually consistent about it, because they don’t believe we’re saved by Faith alone, they also believe that we’re saved by grace, and that we’re saved by God’s works, and that we’re saved by God’s love. That’s like four things. If God didn’t love us, we would be doomed, so God’s love has saved us. If God didn’t perform the atonement, we would be doomed, so God’s works saved us. Same with God’s grace. That’s a lot of things saving us other than faith.
2:25 - 2:38 mostly nit picks here, but the it just continues to show you don’t know what you’re talking about. In Mormonism, when you die you go to the spirit world (sheol/hades in the Bible). People in the spirit world exist in one of two states of being, either they experience Paradise or Prison/Hell (Luke 16:22-26) At the second coming of Christ, everyone is resurrected and on judgement day they choose which of the three kingdoms of heaven they’re best suited for. Those who hate God so much they refuse any form of heaven will go to Outer Darkness (the Lake of Fire).
2:43 - 2:46 You are aware that that 2 Nephi 12:2 is directly quoting Isaiah 2:2, right? I don’t see how you could have missed that, it literally says so in the chapter heading. So why did you label the verse 2 Nephi 12:2 instead of Isaiah 2:2? Gonna go out on a limb and say you didn’t want to give Latter-day Saints any biblical credibility for this belief of theirs and wanted to frame it as some kooky cultish prophecy invented by the Book of Mormon instead of showing that this is a normal thing that all Christians believe.
2:45 - 2:48 no, the world is not going to end “anyday now.” Like all Christians, Latter-day Saints are awaiting the signs of the times as prophesied by the book of revelation, which must be fulfilled before the second coming of Christ. Latter-day Saints aren’t anymore apocalyptic than your average Christian.
3:06 - 3:13 one of the worst butcherings of Latter-day Saint history I’ve seen. First, the saints were not kicked out by the locals, the governor of the state ordered that the Mormons were to be *exterminated.* Why? Well aside from religious bigotry owing to the idea that “Mormons obviously aren’t real Christians,” there was just the matter that they were becoming too numerous, too powerful, they were hard workers, and they were organized, new towns popping up left and right, and worst of all, they were opposed to slavery. Well you see Missouri was a slave state, and the anti-slavery politics of the saints was a threat to that status quo, so Governor Boggs gave his best impersonation of Pharaoh from Exodus and ordered they be dealt with, *permanently.* The resulting massacres like those at Haun’s Mill ended with Latter-day Saint cities burned to the ground while their women and children were raped before being slaughtered to join the corpses of their husbands and fathers strewn about the streets. The saints were forced to flee to the Illinois swamplands where many of the survivors still died from mosquitoes spreading disease. Nevertheless, they called it Nauvoo, which is Hebrew for “Beautiful Place,” and in a few short years they turned those swamplands into the biggest and most peaceful city in Illinois, bigger than Chicago. Of course it couldn’t last, the mob still wanted it’s pound of flesh, so Joseph Smith is assassinated after a few years. After that Nauvoo is sacked as the Saints are forced to once again leave all their property behind to set out on the 3,000 mile journey across the plains to settle in the desert in the middle of nowhere in order to escape the USA and form their own society in Salt Lake City.
3:11 - 3:18 While it is true that the USA has the highest population of Latter-day Saints, the highest concentration would be in the pacific island nations like the Tonga where it is the largest religion in the area with the most members per capita.
3:18 - 3:31 ignoring for now that what the narrator said did not match at all with the message of the verse shown, you do know that Latter-day Saints also believe in the Bible right? They believe that Jesus is the way and that no one comes to the father except through him. You’re arguing against a straw man caricature that doesn’t exist, and it’s not going to do anyone any good when they actually speak to a real Latter-day Saint and realize that they’re Christians and believe in the Bible like anyone else.
3:46 - 3:57 first, about your graphic. As I mentioned earlier, “Lemanites” is misspelled, which shows how much effort you put into accurately representing Latter-day Saints. Also, you include tritheism in the Mormonism bubble. The problem is that no Latter-day Saint ever talks about Tritheism, that’s a trinitarian label that you put on them. That’s your word, not theirs. Furthermore, while there are significant differences between Mormonism and Nicene Christianity, that doesn’t mean that Latter-day Saints aren’t Christians. They have a real saving faith in Christ and spend their lives living his commandments and doing good to their fellow man. Think of the parable of the Good Samaritan. Jews and Samaritans had a lot more differences between them than Latter-day Saints and Protestants do. Those guys hated each other. And yet Christ held up a Samaritan as the example of what men are to do to inherit eternal life. There are tens of thousands of Protestant denominations, and none of them can agree with each other about all sorts of important issues, so of course they’re not going to agree with everything Mormonism teaches. Bottom line is that they have more in common than they have differences. We’re all on the same side. Christ said that he who is not against us is on our part.
So, are Mormons Christians? I’ll leave you with the parable of the Good Samaritan. Which of these was neighbor unto the downtrodden, and which will receive Eternal life because of it? How have you been a neighbor? Have you loved your enemies? How are you treating the Samaritans in your life? I’ll let you decide.
@@KnuttyEntertainment
LDS is not Christian no matter how you spin it.
@@jeffs4483 Why do you say that?
The Church of Jesus Christ LDS is true Christianity. Bible based religion or traditional Christianity is an attempt to approximate or counterfeit Christianity according to the Biblical record. This attempt is reflected in the tens of thousands of differing denominations in the tradition. Each one is different from the next in owing to the interpretations of the founders of each denomination. So collectively, traditional Christianity is discordant babel, due to teaching tens of thousands of different gospels and Christs.
The Bible, which teaches one Christ and one gospel, by virtue of the difference between its one path and the many paths of tradition, stands as a silent witness against this marketplace of counterfeiters. Yet they all wave it as their true validation. In so doing, it is a classic bait and switch technique, like flashing a badge to gain entry. They quote the Bible which is someone else's testimony because they have no testimony or knowledge of their own of God. They know about God, but they don't know God. They think that knowing the biblical scriptures makes them men of God, as if eating raw meat could make one a lion. One must first be a lion or a man of God beforehand for the food to be of effect. They are only men of words , not of God.
Paul said that Satan can appear as an angel of light. This is essentially the character of traditional Christianity in the collective, because it pretends to represent God. Their leaders call themselves to Gods service, as if to dispossess God of his free agency to choose his servants. Who takes that tact with a God whom they supposedly love? There is no authority, authenticity, validity, or salvation in all of traditional Christianity.
When Jesus said, "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." he was clearly referring to pretenders, whom he never knew and who never knew him. Their iniquity is their presumption, their claiming of authority not given, misleading the people, and persecuting his true sheep.
Very well done explanation! Respectful but honest.
No you're not. Good try though.
Galatians 1:8
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
In otherwords Joseph smith never did recieve golden discs from angels you practice hersey, doomed for Hell in Eternal Fire.
Note that their "sales pitch" is deceptive. They want you to read the Book of Mormon and pray for a yes or no on it. But since some teachings agree with the Bible, and some do not... a single yes or no does not work. You need to know your Bible (the real item) first before you can spot a counterfeit... and look at LDS doctrines one at a time...many of their current beliefs are not found in the Book of Mormon, such as temple activities, and 3 degrees of glory.
Things no Mormon can answer:
- WHY was Joseph chosen?
- WHY the specific time period?
- HOW could Joseph translate a language no person speaks and with no other literary pieces into English?
- WHERE are the golden tablets now?
- WHY is there no proof of any people from the Levant, Mesopotamia, or Egypt going to a far far far FAR land and not coming back?
I can literally answer these. Respond to this comment if you would like me to.
Why would I not like you to. Go ahead.@@williamhaslam8901
I can try at least! (lol) However God himself has his "own purposes" timing etc. But here are some "insights: (1) The bible speaks about a "restoration" in all things (prior to the 2nd coming of Christ) (2) The world was in a certain state (after the death of Christ and his apostles) that really wasn't conducive a place where the "full gospel" could thrive (as the state of many nations, including Rome) wouldn't allow it! (many Christians were killed, the truth manipulated and compromised, and taken out of the hands of the believers - to a more "general and nebulous state , etc.). (3) The power of God allows many "miracles" (Red sea parting, etc.) So why not the gift of translation, tongues, etc.? (As written in the bible). So again, only in a land where there was "freedom of Religion" is where Gods "true church" could be re-established (and misunderstood truths could be "cleared up"). You can actually see a pattern (over time). The dark ages, renaissance, reformation, and finally "restoration" (It took time - but God prepared a way)! Okay hope that helps some and let me know if you have other questions. Okay god bless :)
A true Christian follow Jesus Christ teaching and we believe in the Trinity, baptism, Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins, He rose on the tbird day, He will come again. Mormon follow Joseph Smith, they are not Christian Any Mormons that comes to our house I tell them to read Galatians 1: 8-9
They are not Christian. Ex Mormon here.
And why is that.
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They follow a false Jesus, from a false book, written by a convicted conman.
No, they're not.
They'd sure seem like they must be, and have a lot of Jesus-y artwork in their churches-
But ultimately the Jesus they teach isn't the same Jesus from the Bible, but more of a BS fanfiction version that can't actually save anyone.
It depends on how one defines a Christian
Well, the best definition to me is defining a Christian by the 5 solas. If they believe in those, then they are a Christian. I imagine anything else would be too vague/general or too specific to a particular denomination/sect.
Christian = Follower of & Believes in Jesus (his passion, redemptive & messianic work, death, & resurrection) and strives to live a life pleasing to him in anticipation of his Second Coming.
We do believe in Jesus as the only means to salvation, it's just those works (that Jesus commanded us to do, see St. John 3:3) are what we do to show the Lord we accept His grace. Why not investigate for yourself if it is true?
Nice argument, Joseph Smith.
Unfortunately, Galatians 1:8.
This one almost got me. After going over a couple times though I realized that the angels Joseph saw still preached the same gospel, but just a new part. It didn’t deny any previous teachings.
@@octaviuswendell5857 The 'new part' being the Book of Mormon, which does in fact include a multitude of contradictions.
Not to mention Deuteronomy 4:2.
You believe in another Jesus, Jesus is not a created Jesus, he was not created in heavenly by a Mother and Father God. Mormonism is not a Christian religion.
The Christian view of the Trinity and Incarnation have been absolutely central since the beginning. The LDS church differs on both. If these can't demarcate between religions, I don't know what can. If the LDS church is "just another denomination," then so is Arianism or Islam. Valuing Jesus and his teachings a lot isn't enough to be part of the religion commonly referred to as "Christianity." So the LDS is Christian in the same sense an atheist could be "Christian" who really values Jesus' teachings, but they aren't the same religion
except both arianism and islam deny the divinity and Sonship of christ.
@@germanmarine6582 true, the LDS church still rejects the orthodox Christian view of the Trinity and Incarnation though. I don't see a way around that. Those have been central and defining from the beginning (barring, of course, a possible great apostasy)
@daman7387 could you give me the verse that uses the word "trinity"?
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Great job!
agree.
It’s like the Bible got a dlc that doesn’t match the original game
I’m from Kansas City and I was in Israel this summer. One of my first thoughts while on the Mount of Olives was “I can’t believe Mormons think Jesus is going to INDEPENDENCE”
😂🤣
Why do you think they believe Jesus is going to Independence?
He (Jesus) can go anywhere he wants! (Lol). God is no respecter of persons (or even places)!
@@nute742 yet, the ENTIRE BIBLE is based around Israel, Jerusalem, and the Jewish people and our Jewish Messiah. 😆 not some random city in America 👍
@@Kris77777 The bible and its message was written to "all nations" (As Jesus instructed). As god is no "respecter of persons") Jesus himself said that he had to visit other "Sheep" in the bible (and he was grieved for the wickedness of Israel) who put him to death. Even the Mayans recounted (from their elders) of a "White God" that visited them too! (So thats also an historic event). But here is something to watch! :ruclips.net/video/6n5vT0eHlI8/видео.html
We are not Nicaean Christians. We reject the man-made doctrines that rose hundreds of years after Christ's original church.
i am not a mormon, but i have known many. they are indeed christian because they focus on jesus christ as the center of their salvation.
it can be summed up like this "If ye love me, keep my commandments."
no christian can be saved if they don't act like one. that's where their point of faith+works converges. no mormon is trying to 'save themselves'. their doing what jesus said they should do.
if someone wants to argue about the nitty-gritty of their doctrine, prayers, ordinances, or whatever, they are just hyper-focusing on differences in order to...idk...be a crusader or something.
god be with us all. we really need him these days.
Which Jesus do they focus on?
One real. One is fantasy from J.Smiths' mind.
I love the lds people so much.
That is why is bring it up. It is written in the Bible" My people perish for lack of knowledge."
It does matter which God you follow after.
Do not be deceived. Mormonism is not Christianity.
Who would want to be curious of what Egyptian have to say in their former Egyptian writings? I'm all for the God of Israel. God freed from.Egypt. . I don't trust Pharoah's writings to be messages from God as a restored gospel. No such thing as a restored gospel.
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Galatians 1:6-9 KJV
[6] I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: [7] which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. [8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. [9] As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
This passage puts the mormons out of business..
No it doesn't because we don't teach another gospel from Paul or the Bible. Your "Faith Alone" gospel does however contradict with James 2:14-26.
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Your interpretation of James 2 is in contradiction with the rest of the Bible...
But i guess if you are a mormon thats the least of your worries.
Okay but you have to prove the group in question does teach another gospel from Christ. I say this as a fellow Christian who doesn't believe Mormons are Christians. Mormons believe their gospel is the one taught by Christ, so you posting this passage doesn't mean anything to them.
@@gunsgalore7571
"pervert the gospel" "or an angel"
Joseph Smith had an encounter with an angel... Mormons believe in a perverted gospel.... and actually thats what they are perverts ftom Utah, totally false gospel and they are not saved.
am a mormon i agree with this passage. why do you pervert Christs Gospel?
They are a cult. They worship a different God and have a different plan for salvation.
Great video, something new I learned today 😊
3:17 I’m chilean and so happy to see my country in this video 😅 I do see a lot of mormons visiting homes to share their gospel, and we tend to avoid them. Nothing personal, it’s just that they are very persistent, like Jehovah witnesses. We avoid them, too. 😅
God bless you!
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They are heretics
Very well done.
You got the Book of Mormon stories order wrong and a lot of words mispronounced. The Lamanites (Indians) defeated the Nephites after Christ visited the Americas. "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice" - John 10:16. Also "Faith without works is dead" so we believe that to have faith you must exercise it by doing what Christ says. Christ is the Father's Son and not the Father in a body, the Holy Ghost is a seperate member of the Godhead (nowhere in the Bible does it say "Trinity"). And yes we also believe in modern day revelation and that Christ's Church is alive and lead by the Twelve Apostles today.
Mormon here! After watching this video there are many inaccuracies and false caricatures of what we actually believe and what our theology is. I am more than happy to answer any questions you may have!
Do you believe that you can become god and you will get your own plant. Do you believe in gods?
Short answer no
Christian or not, they strive to follow Jesus Christ exemplary life. The beatitudes, the sermon on the mount, they strive to live that. Just as every Christian does.
And every Muslim.
That’s what’s wrong with Mormons they don’t understand Jesus , when Jesus preached the beatitudes he was comforting Christians (His church) saying blessed are they because it’s what they go through.we Christians long for justice and we will be vindicated it’s just who we are because we have the Holy Spirit. Jesus didn’t say in the beatitudes do, feel, and act like this and you are a Christian.
That does not make them Christians. As the video said, salvation is by faith alone, not by works.
@@fvalenzuela34 actually He did. God is a teacher. He was teaching us how to live and treat each other. He is speaking to all that would hear Him. Not just Christians.
@@greatman5885 How do you know someone has faith in Jesus Christ?
I’m not Mormon but isn’t there a chance some Mormons look to Our Lord in spirit and in truth? Condemning an entire group with a broad brush seems shortsighted.
Thank you! It's because the Nicene Creed and the man-made doctrine of the trinity has become an idol. The early Christians regonized The Father, the Son, and the Spirit were 3 distinct and separate beings, with different roles, but united in purpose to form one God. We teach the same thing--and yet we're accused of not being Christians primarily because we don't accept a man-made doctrine that was voted on by the church fathers. I wasn't aware God revealed his doctrine by vote? The pattern in the Bible is that God calls a prophet and reveals his will, right? But we're the weird ones for believing God called a prophet and revealed more of his will and words? Make it make sense. I love and worship God the Father, my savior, Redeemer, and older brother Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. I don't believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. I'm a Christian! How dare anyone say I'm not? If people want to say I'm not a "Trinitarian Christian" then fine. But it hurts and makes me lose respect for people when they dare to claim I'm not a Christian.
No.
They say that the book of mormon is a "companion" to the bible. But if you ever speak the gospel or cite the new testament.... they lose their minds.
I was in LDS for a while and anything outside of their internal doctrine, which is loosely based on freemasonry, is considered apocryphal. Including psalms and proverbs.
It really is based on freemasonry. :'( The temple rituals I've been able to see online are very weird to me. Still, LDS people, in my experience, are quite lovely.
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No doubt. They're usually very friendly, sober, and family oriented.
They even took a lot of us in for Thanksgiving, when the guys on base couldn't go home for the holiday.
@@sia9907 indeed, they have to be great people to earn their way to god-hood. That's the ultimate goal of Mormonism: not an eternal relationship with God, but to BE gods. Sad thing is I've met enough Mormons to know I wouldn't trust them running a hot dog stand, much less their own Universe. I don't know if they believe they get some sort of Management of the Universe advanced level course in super heaven or what, but some of them have no chance of being able to manage anything... and yet somehow they believe they will become gods.
@@sidwhiting665 scathing, but quite funny 🤣
@@sidwhiting665I was looking for this comment. So many think Mormons are extremely friendly and my own experience seems to support this BUT like you stated knowing their motivation is a eye opener. What most Christians don't know is the massacres like meadow massacre in Utah where B. Young had the group of Christian settlers who were resting temporarily slaughtered and the children kidnapped.