Just a bit more context to the Wizards years. MJ missed most of the summer because he was rehabbing his injuries. Not only was he hurt, he was out of shape, but still rushed coming back (which was a HUGE mistake). He was still rehabbing from injuries, playing out of shape when the season started. The ten game span before the injury was him essentially finally rehabbing properly and getting into playing shape. The span before his got injured was basically his 'pre-season'!!!! He never got healthy as he had to battle injury after injury after injury his entire Wizards year stint. This would be hard enough for any player in their prime, let alone for a 40 year old. He needed to get black ooze drained from his knees after every game. Had the bad back which took away any mobility and speed he had leftover from his bad knees. Oh... and his fingers were all busted as well. I watched those Wiz games on TiVo and he looked pretty good in the 1st and 2nd quarter (specially 2nd), but his shot was flat in the 2nd half which is normal for every player. He had multiple games where he dropped 20+ by the half. The good games where he dropped 30+ were mostly games in which he rested his body and felt relatively well. All this before today's more advanced training and medicine. He would've recovered quicker from those same injuries today.
People also forget he had a finger tendon permanently damaged from a cigar cutter accident after he won the 1998 Championship. It never fully healed and it affected his overall shooting and ball handling. Despite this, he was getting better and his shooting was also getting better up until his injury. For those who don't believe me, there are articles about this cigar cutter incident and also GIFS showing one of his fingers not bending when he was on the Wizards.
His Wizard years should have never happened. Old people like myself know you can't just take off 3 years at an old age, smoke cigars and get fat and think you gonna not run into a whole lot of trouble. If anyone could have done it, it was him. Father time is undefeated for a reason.
* For those who say MJ played in a weak decade, here are the top 50 Players of the 1990s (the criteria is that a player has to have had at least 3 full really good years in the 90s, or has to have played at least 5 years in the decade): Michael Jordan Hakeem Olajuwon Karl Malone Shaquille O'Neal David Robinson Charles Barkley Patrick Ewing John Stockton Clyde Drexler Scottie Pippen Gary Payton Alonzo Mourning Reggie Miller Dominique Wilkins Grant Hill Penny Hardaway Kevin Johnson Shawn Kemp Mitch Richmond Tim Hardaway Chris Mullin Latrell Sprewell Mark Price Dikembe Mutombo Jason Kidd Glen Rice Larry Johnson Chris Webber Brad Daugherty Joe Dumars Dennis Rodman Terry Porter Ron Harper Rod Strickland Eddie Jones Derek Harper Reggie Lewis Dražen Petrović Detlef Schrempf Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf Clifford Robinson Steve Smith Jamal Mashburn Otis Thorpe Kendall Gill Kevin Willis Allan Houston Hersey Hawkins Cedric Ceballos Juwan Howard
Keep in mind jordan didn’t take whole games off on defense by being assigned to the worst opponent on the other team so he can basically play offense only. On top of that jordan typically switched off and played help defense . Lebron doesn’t even bother to do anutbing
Lebron's main concern these days is to put up stats to show people he is not the issue with the bad team he has a big part in the formation of. He doesn't play defense at all and nobody else does on that team, but he is dropping 29 ppg and that is the only thing ppl look at.
Lebron does play help defense contrary to whatever tf u just said. Also Pippen was assigned harder assignments that Jordan frequently, so you can't boost him for that necessarily
Imagine how far Lebron goes if kyrie averaged 12 points as the second best player or of wade averaged 12 points as second best player. Lebron relies on others to come thru in clutch for him.
Wouldn’t go that far, LBJ in the finals without Wade/Kyrie/AD is 2-11. Those two games he won was in 2015 finals where he was 3-17 in clutch situations that series. No way he wins multiple rings with a teammate like Pippen, bc Pippen wasn’t a scorer or clutch and LBJ’s clutch stats are very poor in the finals. A combination of that is not gonna get you multiple titles. Dude always needs a legit go to star/scorer next to him to win.
Mike didn’t go very far that year. The 1st year Lebron took the Cavs to the title he didn’t have a teammate who averaged over 14.9 … how far… further than Jordan clearly…
@@Supreme36074 you know percentages? You’re making my case so much better here, Pippen averaged 19 ppg in all of the 6 finals combined yet he accounted for 19.6% of the Bulls points, while MJ accounted for 34.7%... LBJ has never won like that, in all of his 4 finals wins he accounted for 27.7% of the teams points while his sidekicks (Wade/Kyrie/AD) accounted for 23.1% of the points. All of his and his sidekicks scoring has always been close, not the case with MJ. For example in 98 he accounted for 38% of the Bulls points while Pippen accounted for 17.8% of the points yet still won. LBJ has never won like that, that’s just one example too. He can’t win without another scorer next to him.
Unlike Lebron, Michael Jordan"s statistics were not empty and meaningless, he wanted to win, not play for the sake of statistics. The fact is that 39-years-old Michael Jordan was more useful for his team ( +18 wins ) than 34-year-old Lebron James ( + 2 wins ). 2000/01 Wizards- Record: 19-63 2001/02 Wizards- Record: 37-45 ( with old Michael Jordan ). With MJ, the Wizards won 18 more wins than without him. And if MJ had not been injured ( Missed 22 games ), the result would have been even better. *Michael Jordan ( age 39 ) leads Wizards to 30-30 Records in the games he played.* 2017/18 Lakers- Record: 35-47. 2018/19 Lakers- Record: 37-45 ( With Lebron James ). With Lebron James ( age 34 ), the Lakers won just 2 more wins than without him.
Phil Jackson made Jordan trust his teammates. Lebron always involved everyone. If he's stat collecting then it's in his later years. Stop being a Jordantard
because he's in a superteam and his 90's opponents were weak af. and lebron could've stacked his stats more but he always has been doing less for team success without being asked to.
The last one is the only one I’ve heard. That Jordan couldn’t play in today’s NBA. People say that his teams never had to guard quick guards and stretch 4s who look to shoot 20-30 3s per game. That the Bulls of the 90s never faced a team that would shoot 3s within the first 7 seconds of the shot clock and that the 90s Bulls and Michael Jordan weren’t built to beat that. That’s the myth I’ve heard among the kids today. Even Draymond Green talked about that on JJ Redick’s podcast. He said that Jordan’s teams would beat teams 79-70. Draymond said that today that’s a half time score. I think this is crap. Today’s teams don’t have to go against the wall that was the 90s Bulls. They were a wall. Jordan and Pippen were lockdown defenders. Total stoppers. People forget that because they only see Jordan dunking the ball and fading away. But on the other end he was unplayable. And so was Pippen. Let Steph and Klay go up against Jordan and Pippen and see if they hit all those threes. In the paint you had Grant or Rodman. Forget about layups. Forget about offensive rebounds. What the kids don’t understand is that Jordan’s Bulls match up with today’s teams a whole lot better than today’s teams match up against them.
@@johanperdana2176 and Petrovic was also stronger and more durable than Curry and you forgot to mention Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf who is closest to Curry in style but Abdul-Rauf was more decisive in his moves than Curry.
@@johanperdana2176 and Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf doesn't shoot his long range shots via set shots like Curry he really take his long range shots via jump shots.
@@jordansoviet23 ah, yep, Abdul-Rauf, one of the fun to watch player from 90's, his shooting is deadly, but, yeah, he played at wrong era 😅 Abdul- Rauf, Mark Price, Reggie Miller, Peja Stojakovic, Drazen Petrovic will become 1st class player right now Dont forget big player who can shoot 3, like Sam Perkins, Horry, event Greg Foster (Jazz center) will become solid player, if he play right now
It's sad when people have do videos like this just correct dumb people that spread lies about MJ just to boost Lebron. If Lebron won more his fanboys wouldn't have to lie
Yep if he didn’t choke in that mavericks series he wouldn’t be clowned and if he actually completed the 3peat against San Antonio he would’ve been respected more, but no what happened was, He choked against the Dallas Mavericks, Was Clamped against San Antonio and when he lost he left and went back to the Cavs(again leaving the team that was specifically built for him) He went to the Finals the next year and lost because of injured teammates, then won the next year with healthy teammates but even with that still went down 3-1(thank fully curry and the warriors choked and LeBron won) the next year and the year after that, there’s no way the cavs would’ve won because the warriors were just so stacked and even without KD they were still down 3-1 to the warriors but like i said thankfully the warriors choked at the time, he then won in 6 against a heat team that had no reason to be in the finals with a superteam, they were just a young team with an all-star/superstar leader in Jimmy Butler but it still took them 6 games to clean that team up and now he’s still playing with multiple star caliber players and even tho he’s playing godly at the age of 37, I think his era in the playoffs is over, if he gets to a play-in game he would probably win but lose again in the first round against the Suns(who are just a better team in general) or the warriors and if they make it to the finals, I don’t think they’re winning against the Bucks,Nets or Sixers.
@@tj5180 Can’t really blame for 07, he was only 23 and single-handedly carried the Cavs to a 50-32 record, but the choke in 2011 definitely gave him a hit and when he lost to the spurs and suddenly bailed, it hit him again, then he came back to Cleveland and everything was suddenly put under wraps after he won in 2016, he would probably end with the greatest resume of all-time but probably would also end with just 4 rings in my opinion.
@@earlruiz7866 he didnt singlehandly carried the Cavs. The Cavs were a top defensive team that season and rebounding also faced weak teams in the east a wizards team who had no arenas or butler also a pistons team in the ecf who didnt have Ben wallace or their coach Larry brown
@Beery he never improved his mid range game nor he even tried to play off the ball offense that's why a bench player named Jason Terry outplayed him in 2011 Finals.
That last myth is pretty hilarious. Jordan in his prime with cutting some of the toughest defenses in the league to ribbons in an era where defense was allowed. In this modern era where defense is more or less just a vague concept he'd have a field day.
@@jordansoviet23 dude doesn't watch 90s but only cherrypicks videos. Not just the 90s also 80s. Many coaches and players even in news papers back then shows that zone was played
@@tj5180 well the AirJordanitz channel here shows the proof that zone defense was also a part of Jordan Rules defense against Michael Jordan. It was a 47:20 long video just type 'Michael Jordan The Greatest of All Time versus Old School Real Defense.
I don't get why the comparison for goat is between Jordan and Ming James. Koby was better than Ming. MJ is the goat but I'd rather have Koby than that flopping crybaby.
Just want to correct you on one thing I noticed you had wrong. Pippen's first year was not the 88/89 season it was the 87/88 season and he averaged 7.9 points a game off the bench but that actually strengthens your point though. 👍
Back in those days a defender had to chase his opponent all game long because of the man to man defense, nothing like standing around in a zone defense most of the time, plus being double teamed many times during those games, very demanding physically.
I hate zone defense because if you're a defender you only defend the area that you were put in, not your man as well as it makes you lazy on defense instead of chasing your man.
I don't see the point of this comment.... back when Jordan played you help defense wasn't a thing so if teams spread their offense he had an easy iso situation every time
@@justincrawley4256 he had to beat the best defender on the other team or double team and then shoot over a 7 foot rim protector because there was no 3 second violation in the crowded paint area for defensive players
@@alfonsoterrero8840 help defense wasn't allowed at all....zone wasn't a thing back then so no you're wrong. Like I said if the bulls would have their big man leave the paint, based off the rules the apposing teams big man would have to leave the paint and guard his man out on the three leaving the lane wide open....
@@justincrawley4256 so you are saying there was no double team and no big men in the paint? Go look at some 1980's and '90s games, Jordan's rules, ever heard of that? Or ever heard of the block shots leaders? They are mostly from that era, there was no empty paint zone in those days
Not to mention MJ as a Wizard did ALL that after a 3 year lay off from playing NBA games. He was completely out if shape when he came to the Wizards at that age, a shell of his former self, but still was easily top 5 and arguably top 3 in the league as a Wizard after all I just laid out lol! Just more proof(as if we needed more) why he's the GOAT💯
With Michael Jordan ( age 39 ), the Wizards won 18 more wins than without him. 2000/01 Wizards- Record: 19-63. 2001/02 Wizards- Record: 37-45 ( With old Michael Jordan ). Michael Jordan ( age 39 ), leads the Wizards to 30-30 Records in the games he played. With Lebron James ( age 34 ), the Lakers won 2 more wins than without him. 2017/18 Lakers- Record: 35-47. 2018/19 Lakers: Record: 37-45 ( With Lebron James ). Lebron James ( age 34 ), leads the Lakers to 28-27 Records in the games he played. Lebron is not a leader and hes terrible defensively.
How on earth people have the nerves to say MJ couldn't play into today's NBA because he's an average 3 point shooter? But you have MOFO stars in today's NBA who can't even shoot 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
1984-1999 Golden era: If Russell Westbook and James Harden played in the 90s, they would never have won an MVP award. 6"3 Russell Westbrook ( PG ) couldnt average 10-Rebounds per games and Triple Double per season. vs David Robinson, Alonzo Mourning, Kevin Garnett, Chris Webber, Dikembe Mutombo, Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaquille O"Neal, Dennis Rodman, Shawn Kemp, Karl Malone and Patrick Ewing. James Harden is terrible defensively and he is the King of the Flop and Travel. In the 90s, fans would not have tolerated such disrespect for the game and themselves.
You spent half the video on the first myth when 30sec would be enhough. As a rookie and with him being the only noticable addition, Jordan make the 3rd worst team in NBA a playoff team. This alone he can carry a team. You could had also that without Jordan the Bulls weren't able to go in finales.
@@dynamic6645 There is ZERO evidence that it's harder to score against zone defense (Zone defense was implemented in the 2001-02 season): - The leauge scoring average didn't change that much at all after they implemented zone defense in 2001. FG% and team PPG BOTH went up the year they implemented zone defense. In the 2000-01 season, teams averaged 94.8 PPG on 44.3 FG%. In the 2001-02 season, teams averaged 95.5 PPG on 44.5%. The lowest scoring season took place in 1999, before zone defense. - Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki, Allen Iverson, Paul Pierce, Tracy McGrady, Ray Allen, Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis, Allan Houston, Jalen Rose, Peja Stojaković, Richard Hamilton all started playing in the 90s and all had their best scoring seasons in the zone defense era. - Michael Jordan at age 38-39 after not playing pro ball for 3 entire seasons, for the first 46 games was averaging 25.1 PPG, 6.2 RPG and 5.3 APG, 1.5 SPG against zone defense, and getting better as the season went along. Also had the Wizards as the 3rd seed and a top 5 defensive team in the leauge at the Allstar break. In his last 10 games leading up to his injury, he was averaging 29.7 PPG, 6.6 RPG and 6.1 APG on 47.2%. Only thing that stopped him was his knee injury that he had after the Allstar break. - Karl Malone at age 38 against zone defense was still averaging 22.4 PPG, 8.6 RPG, and 4.3 APG. He also had his career high steals average with 1.9 SPG. - John Stockton at ages 39-40 averaged more PPG with 13.4 PPG, than the previous year. On Higher FG%. He also had more SPG than the previous season. His numbers also weren't far off from prime MVP candidate Jason Kidd that season. While being the much more efficient scorer. All against zone defense. - Gary Payton at age 33 averaged 22.1 PPG, (higher scoring season than any of his seasons in the 90s) 9.0 APG, 1.6 SPG, on 46.7 % against zone defense. - Sam Cassell at age 32 had a higher PPG season than any of his seasons in the 90s, with 19.7 PPG against zone defense. Two seasons later at age 34 he surpassed his career high with 19.8 PPG.
@@handlebucket6285 Kobe Bryant: *"But for scorers like myself and Carmelo and KD, the rules from the ’80s can be more beneficial for us, because you have to be played straight up. I don’t care if you hand check us with three hands. If there’s nobody behind you, you’re not going to stop us. So the zone I think, cripples some of the top scorers."* “KICKS: *“If you guys could change one rule in the League, what would it be?”* Kevin Garnett: *“No zone.”* Tim Duncan: *“Yeah, the zone.”* Tracy Mcgrady: *“That shit is stupid.”* KICKS: *“Because it didn’t do what they (The NBA) thought it would do?”* Kevin Garnett: *“I think it puts players that are really good at a disadvantage… I remember Phoenix sat somebody literally right there (in the lane).”* Tracy Mcgrady: *“It makes it hard for a guy like me."* Kevin Garnett: *“Who penetrates.”* Tim Duncan: *“It makes it hard for all of us.”* Tracy Mcgrady: *" It’s tough on all of us, it really is. When you’re trying to make a move, and you got another guy sittin’ right there on the same side just waitin.”* Kevin Garnett: *“He ain’t even playin’ his man.”* Tracy Mcgrady: *"Nah, not at all. “* Kevin Garnett: *“That’s where teammates are really, really important. Not only is there pressure on you to get them the ball, but the pressure’s on them to be productive and draw the defense.”*
@@handlebucket6285 IF ZONE DEFENSES COME IN, STARS MAY GO OUT By Sam Smith Chicago Tribune • April 01, 2001 The subject was defense in the NBA, and Michael Jordan was speaking, although more about offense, especially his. We know few defenses could do anything about that. But there was one that might be bothersome, the zone defense. It was the topic du jour at last month's All-Star Game, and Jordan was making an impassioned plea before the competition committee that had gathered to consider rules changes to enliven the NBA game. Jordan spoke passionately. If teams were able to play zone defenses, he said, he never would have had the career he did.
@@handlebucket6285 Videos debunking the myth that zones were allowed in the 90's: ruclips.net/video/qGT_pwaFk94/видео.html ruclips.net/video/YM_eCnTNt1Q/видео.html
Some more myths debunked 1. The bums who claim MJ wasn't good at playmaking but ignore his career high in assists which is 17 LeBrons is 19 which should show you that MJ can playmake like a demi if he wanted 2. MJ in his earlier seasons was so insane. basketball is a team sport how are you going to blame him for not winning early in his career if he scored 63 against a Celtics team stacked with 5 hall of famers and was better than everyone on his team combined and had to carry 3. There's no way you think MJ isn't a GOATED all around player when his only weakness isn't even a weakness since he was an average 3pt shooter and career high is 7 threes and shot 43% from 3 in a season 4. MJ is not just a scorer he is arguably one of the best 2 way players of all time if not the best 2 way player of all time, arguably one of the best on ball defenders of all time, one of the best rebounding guards of all time and one of the best ball stealers of all time. 5. MJ is the GOAT because of his GOATED offense and defense but he would be a great player even if he was only good at offense or defense
Jordog is basic and over rated. He's a old model of Bradley Beal. He wouldn't be shhhi if he play today cuz he too small an would be coming off the bench
I am not going to go through the numbers...but in regards to most 50-win, 60-win teams beaten. I guarantee Jordan may be second to Kobe, but Jordan's is more impressive by far. I am sure Jordan did it less total playoff series played, AND did it as THE MAN, best player on his team for ALL of them.
vs 50+ win teams MJ 20-7 74% Kobe (without Shaq) 9-7 56.2% vs 60+ win teams MJ 7-2 77.7% Kobe (without Shaq) 0-2 0% Even if we count with Shaq, he went 15-5 (75%) vs 50+ win teams and 2-4 (33.3%) vs 60+ win teams. Not a knock at Kobe but a lot of people tend to leave that out, or just don’t know that he wasn’t the HOF Kobe early on.
LeBron fans: "Titles are a team accomplishment and shouldn't be part of the GOAT debate." Also LeBron fans: "Jordan sucked with the Wizards because they didn't win any titles." Notice the contradiction? That's just one if many with them.
Another one is “LBJ’s all star teammates doesn’t mean anything, the all star game is a dumb popularity contest” Yet this is the same lame fan base who’s boosting LBJ’s all star appearances in year 19 and made new accounts on social media just to get him ahead of Curry in all star votes lol. Worst fan base ever.
Jordan fanboys: *"Lebum missed the playoffs in La"* But then also: *'' Jordan missed the playoffs because he was injured"* Sorry kid, you can't expect LeBron fans to use context when Jordan fans don't, Jordan jockers = by far the worst fanbase in all of sports !
@@dynamic6645 LeBron missing the playoffs in LA isn't even brought up as much as you think since he missed a good chunk of the season. Even if it is, it wouldn't even be a thing worth bringing up if not for that stupid 1-9 narrative y'all love to use with no context. Speaking of context, LeBron fans only use it if it benefits LeBron anyway. They never use it for Jordan. This whole debate started because of LeBron fans anyway and y'all set the tone, so getting mad at Jordan fans that use the same debate tactics you guys do is admitting that your debate tactics are wrong.
Biggest Jordan myth IMO : " He couldn't shoot threes ". Yet Jordan shot OVER 38% from three in EACH postseason of the first threepeat, and 40% from three in EACH of those Finals. 2nd Biggest Jordan myth is that Jordan wasn't a good perimeter shooter when he came into the NBA. Jordan was ALWAYS a very good midrange shooter. But he perfected his mid-range game in the early 90's. In Jordan's 63pt outburst against the Celtics in 1986 playoffs, a commentator described Jordan as a combination of West from the perimeter, and Baylor in the post. This was Jordan's second season in the league. With regards to Jordan's competition in the 90's, all I will say is this: Jordan's competition in the 90's is the same competition Shaq faced early in his career, as Shaq was drafted in 1992. In the 1990's Shaq got SWEPT in the playoffs FIVE times by five DIFFERENT franchises! Shaq would beg to differ with anybody who belittles the calibre of teams that competed in the 1990's.
@@jahleelx9270 no he wasn't. He just didnt need to shoot them. In the 5 seasons he shot more than 2 threes per game he shot the following percentages; 38%, 35%, 50%, 43%, and 37%.
Jordan could average 35 with hand checking, without defensive 3 seconds violation and without shooting 3s, and jokers think he can't play in the modern NBA.
MJ will be dominate in the modern league. In the 90s, the Defense is better. 1997/98 season: *Kevin Garnett ( age 21 )=18- 10- 4, FG-49%.* It was his third season in the Nba. *Allen Iverson ( age 22 )=22- 3- 6, FG-46%.* *Kobe Bryant ( age 19 )=15- 3- 4, FG-45%.* *Ray Allen ( age 22 )=19- 5- 4, FG-43%.* 2019/20 season: *Trae Young ( age 21 )= 30- 3- 9, FG-43%.* *Luka Doncic ( age 22 )=29- 9- 9, FG-46%.* It was their second season in the Nba. *Rookie Zion Williamson ( age 19)= 22- 8- 3, FG-58%.* 2021 Playoffs: Ja Morant ( age 21 )=30- 5- 8, FG-49%
@@allanhouston.1884 Allen Iverson scored 30 pts on 63 FG% in his first game, using your logic, I guess we can all agree that defense sucked back then and modern players would be more dominant in the 90's
Because modern fans lack the ability to prefer the current era and players without denigrating the past. They love to tell everyone to appreciate greatness as we're witnessing it, but they sure don't appreciate past greatness.
@@Sf75178 LBJ groupies man. That’s basically it, that boy has his “yes” men all over the media trying to push these false narratives on MJ whilst trying to prop up any little thing that LBJ does. Look how they gush over LBJ when he has a huge scoring night, yet for years have told us how MJ’s scoring was overrated bc he’s a ball hog. They knocked MJ’s scoring titles yet are getting wet with the thought of LBJ winning a scoring title this year. Hilarious stuff.
Jordan could not carry teams!?!? ROFL!!! The only reason the Bulls were as good as they were is because Jordan DROVE them to be that good. Phil Jackson wasn’t the leader of that team; Jordan was. There’s not a single player on any Bulls team that would have won a ring without Jordan’s relentless drive to victory. That fact ALONE makes him twice the ball player Lebron will ever be
Jordan did play in the modern era of basketball. His skills would span across all eras, and his athleticism, durability, and motor is all-time GOAT level. The rules and officiating that gave any team a chance to slow him down are long gone. He would feast today in these open lanes, weak physical play era.
Like Jordan hit the 90's so hard that it's like what happened to the other players. People fail to realize that the West was stacked in the 90's with the Shaq Lakers, Hakeem Rockets, Barkley Suns, Drexler's trailblazers, Robinson Spurs, Peytons Sonics and of course the Jazz. We are forgetting that all these teams had to play each other in order to play the Bulls. All these teams beat the hell out of each other and had nothing left when it came to play the Bulls. Not so sure the East in the 90's was stronger than the West. At any rate, if you couldn't shoot a mid range back then constantly then you were done. Also the fundamentals of the game was much tougher back then. I miss the game then and it's all because of the one and done destroyed the NBA, no defense and the lack of staying on one team. This is how good the league was back then with defense, the Knicks and Pacers with one hall of famer seemed to always take the Bulls to a game 7
*"People fail to realize that the West was stacked in the 90's"* So basically you are saying that Jordan feasted in a weak east, thanks for clarifiying
@@dynamic6645 pretty much.. every team he beat was a "duo" team.. bulls always had 3 and 4 very good guys. Who was bulls biggest competition?? Knicks.. with Ewing and starks.. starks the #2 player.. c'mon. Bulls had bench players better than him! Who else.. Pacers? Miller and Mullin? Still only 2 guys.. 3rd best was who? Washed up mark Jackson? Who else.. the cav?... you mean big bad mark price and Craig elho?? Seriously.. who are you so impressed with that Jordan beat? The 45yr olds of the lakers and celtics? Every good team Jordan faced he got waxed until that team became old. Or he cried so much they had to soften the rules for him in 1992
The number one myth is at Michael Jordan didn't have a jump shot early in his career..... The man came in the league with a complete game from day one that includes a post-up game the fade away was already there he just didn't use it as much...... I put that myth right up there with the myth that people think Mike Tyson didn't have a jab .....
I find the myth that Jordan wouldn't be successful in the modern game really quite odd. Jordan had 2 particularly great strengths, getting to the basket and finishing and scoring from midrange. With the spacing in the modern game due to the dominance of the 3 point shot there would be no way to stop him. You can't pack the paint like this did in the 90's because there'd be endless open 3's for his team mates who in this era would be 3 point sharp shooters. So what do you do?
@@tj5180 You won't find him on a LeBron video, always MJ. No doubt he loves him some MJ. Imagine thinking LeBron is better, but never watching his lowlights, I mean highlights. Spending every waking moment on MJ. The dude clearly loves MJ, but one then weirdos who think it makes them special to go against the grain.
The bottom line is most people who are saying these things about Jordan don't listen to evidence anyway. I watched this one kid react to like 20 MJ videos and the whole time he's blown away, never seen anyone like him, etc...but at the end of the video he always just sort of meekly says mumble mumble Bron the goat mumble. Like, some people just need to be right even when it's easy to prove them wrong.
They can’t accept the truth, they don’t want to put anyone ahead of LBJ unless they hear it from Shannon/Nick’s mouth. Those shows are intended for the casual fans, that happens to be a lot of kids in general. I remember when the last dance was airing Trae Young was stunned that MJ had that incredible 88 year, a lot of these youngins (pun intended) don’t do their research.
Yeah the difference between 1989 ecf for mj and 2007 finals for Lebron is that Lebron was 22 years old and was plating against the greatest dynasty of the 2000s
Spurs a better Dynasty than Shaq and Kobe Lakers, that team never even repeated and even when LeBron had the better team in 2014 he still got burned by a record margin
Here the issue too. The media do a great of comparison lbj to mj but compare mj to a God. Like people mj is a great basketball player not a God. He lost then he won
@@jhad777 Yeah I agree, the dude was the most feared guy on the court and the player with practically no weaknesses and he was probably the most complete player ever, if the NBA was a religion, Jordan would be God with the way he was playing on the court, Dude was the most famous man on the planet, even more so than the Pope at the time.
12:58 biggest difference is level of competition. Jordan had to go thru the Cleveland, Boston, and Detroit in the playoffs. In 2007 the eastern conference was so weak its fuckin laughable
@@boonebeasley9622 Indeed it is: Round 1 of Playoffs: Cavs vs Wizards: Wizards stats: Finished with a 41-41 record. Was the second worst defensive team in the league. Round 2 of Playoffs: Cavs vs Pistons: Pistons stats: 53-29 record. Ben Wallace was gone. 10th worst defensive team. Round 3 of Playoffs: Cavs vs Nets: Nets were terrible offensively and defensively (finished 25th). 41-41 record Remember, Lebron didnt make the playoffs first 3 years. Jordan Comp first 3 years (made playoffs) First year faced the Bucks Bucks stats: 59-23 record. Best defensive team in the league 6th best offensive team in the league 2 time DPOY guarding MJ All this in his first year. 2nd and 3rd playoffs: Faced a team with 5 hall of famers. Celtics Stats: 67-15 record. best defense in the league. 4 players averaging 20+ ppg. 3rd best offense in the league.
I can't recall any of those myths, can't believe they're real either. They must be coming from young people that never saw him play. He's the GOAT, there is really no close second. Kobe maybe? That's the closest in my mind, he was a killer too. MJ wins today very easily
Yes those are all irritating to hear.. But having watched teams in the 90s that were so competitive, hard nosed, and stacked, the most irritating to me is "jordan played weak competition" The reallity is so exactly opposite, that I can't even stand hearing that rediculous claim from kids.
Facts about Jordan's time with the Washington Wizards: - The Wizards the previous season were 19-63 (14th in East, 27th in NBA) and were the worst defensive team in the league. MJ was the only major addition to the team and at the All Star break, the Wizards were 3rd in the East with a 26-21 record, despite having a poor start to the season. They also were a top 5 defensive team in the entire NBA at the All Star break. This was all before MJs injury. Which occurred 46 games into the season. Before his injury, MJ for the first 46 games was averaging 25.1, 6.2 RPG, 5.3 APG, 1.5 SPG, 0.5 BPG on 42.1 FG%. He was getting better as the season went along. So were the Wizards team. In the last 20 games leading up to the injury, MJ was averaging 27.5 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 5.2 APG, 1.3 SPG, 0.5 BPG on 44.2 FG%. In the last 10 games leading up to the injury, MJ was averaging 29.7 PPG, 6.6 RPG, 6.1 APG, 1.2 SPG, 0.3 BPG on 47.2 FG%. People forget that MJ was on minutes restriction for many games after his injury. In his last 7 games, he didn't even start. He only averaged 21.0 MPG in those games. These games heavily brought down his averages. MJ had torn a tendon in his finger with a cigar cutter on accident after the Bulls won the championship in 1998. It never fully healed and he was never able to bend it all the way and it affected his ball handling and shooting when he came back to play for the Wizards. Another thing people forget is that prior to the season MJ had his ribs broken by Metta World Peace in a pickup game. So not only was MJ dealing with a serious injury before the season began, he also hasn't played professional basketball in Three entire seasons. Despite this, he was having a great season and only getting better as the season progressed. After his injury (46 games into season), the Wizards fell out of the playoffs and fell to the bottom 10 defensively. Jordan could've easily gone to a more talented Eastern conference team like the Heat, Nets or Celtics. Instead he played more for fun when he came back in 2001. Or he could've gone to the Spurs or Lakers and got an easy ring.
Ngl, I feel like this channel is becoming Jordan central. Nothing wrong with that, but I’ve noticed in these past few videos it’s clear the variety and objectivity of these videos is disappearing, it feels like every other video just is another LeBron and Jordan comparison. Before anyone jumps my throat, yes, I think MJ is the goat, and yes, I think LeBron is the second greatest, and yes, I like Mike more. But be honest to yourselves, once you’re in the top 10 greatest players range, there isn’t much of a gap in greatness between players. Hakeem, Wilt, Mike, Kobe, they’re all on similar levels of greatness. And besides that, you can appreciate both as legends and think one is better than the other, the comments on these videos feel like a Jordan cult the same way sportcenter videos are basically a LeBron cult, you don’t have to tear one down to prop another one up. If you think there’s a “massive gap” between both players, you are lying to yourself, as both are amazing players who have had some of the greatest achievements and moments in the sport. It feels like you understood this before, and had a lot of great videos and variety of content, giving a lot of greats and legends due respect and good insight, such as the LeBron, Kobe and MJ video on who was more clutch, it was a video that was respectful to all 3, laid out information in a non biased manner, and came to a reasonable conclusion, or the video comparing Kobe’s 81 to Wilt’s 100, acknowledging the greatness of both performances, but I learned a lot from that video, and it really opened my eyes to how the 81 point game was probably even more impressive than I thought. The times LeBron copied Jordan and how they handle trash talkers videos were very bad imo, a lot of the times were stretches, like “LeBron did this crossover once, he did this layup, they both use chalk before a game”, which is just reaching for pointless comparisons, and you failed to mention how Cleveland basically wanted to run LeBron out of the building when he played there as a Heatle, yet he still exploded on them for 38. Hell, they had to hire extra security, I don’t recall that ever happening to Jordan. I’m not even saying LeBron is tougher, but you have to be impartial and not cherry pick, which this channel is devolving into. You’ve also gone back on your own words, from calling Steph the best player in the nba to overrated like nothing, and for someone who criticizes the nba media for changing narratives and peddling the same content every year, you’re becoming just like them with the constant goat debate comparisons, going back on statements and whatnot. Maybe it’s just me, but I’m saying this as a fan of your channel, and want more of that great content we got in the past that celebrated the nba and all the greats in the past, and was incredibly informative with a lot of great insight and breakdowns as to how great these players truly were. I think you’re capable of producing fantastic content, but nowadays it feels very repetitive, biased and of overall lesser quality nowadays.
You are talking out of your ass. Out of the last 10 videos Uncut Hoops put out, only 2 had MJ as the central focus. 7 of those had NOTHING to do with MJ.
There is a massive gap between MJ and everyone else. He did everything in 13 years. It's taken lebron 20 years. Championships always matter in the GOAT talk.
@@handlebucket6285 yo, take it easy man lol. No need to get so worked up, but you can’t tell me in good faith that the copying MJ and the handling trash talkers videos aren’t clearly biased
@@dynamic6645 both players did not have much help. Do you actually understand that? Jordan may have had a bit more help in this particular comparison. But overall BOTH did not have a lot of help. BOTH carried teams
Who shoots better than Steph? And don’t say pure catch and shoot players. Steph can shoot off the dribble, off the catch, all on high volume and efficiency whilst being doubled teamed.
1.Have to get better mentality 2.Able to duplicate any player in skill set best example ( vs Lakers magic. 3.The killer Instinct & intimidation factor 4.One of the Best Trash Talking in his time 5.Last but sherly not least the way he gets revenge on anyone that disrespect him 💯
@@dynamic6645 yes You mean an old out shaped guy who just came out of his second retirement because he was tired of winning chips. LOL How many 3 peats does LBJ have in his 19 seasons? 0 You are also the one who claims MJ couldn't survive in this era but lots of NBA legends say MJ can average at least 40 in this era.
@@dynamic6645 On a Wizards team that was garbage without him. He was injured at 40 years old lol. What do you expect. Put 40 year old Bron on the 2002 Wizards and see how far they go.
10:13 to 10:59 isn’t false, it just needs more context. From 88-95, the NBA added 6 new teams through expansion. These expansion teams were not very good and were usually some of the worst teams in the league. The teams that Jordan were facing had had their win totals boosted by playing expansion teams so frequently. There are plenty of times where a team would have less than 50 wins if not for expansion teams. This same logic applies to Jordan and the Bulls, they had their win total boosted by playing an expansion team very often. This is part of the reason why I think the 72-10 Bulls is overrated and definitely not as good as the 73-9 Warriors.
Steph Curry would burn Jordan's defense and it's not close, Jordan never shut down any scorer, he got burned by short and quick guys, I don't believe this myth that he would *"lock down Curry"* because it's simply not true.
The bulls didn't win until 91. Those (expansion) teams were no longer new. If anything the lakers and pistons took advantage of that not the bulls. In the late 90s during their second 3peat the expansion teams were the raptors and grizzlies. They played both teams for a combined 5 games during that stretch in the regular season. How is 5 games considered a (boost) during an 82 game regular season?
It is wrong of you to infer the strength of an era by the number of 60 win teams. If an era is weak, a teams can consistently beat other even more weak teams to accumulate 60 wins. Rather you should look at number of hall of famers to compare across eras. He played against fewer HOFs than his team had from 1992 to 1998. In 1991 he did play against more HoFs than his team but some of those HoFs were injured practically equalling the number of HoFs.
Great video, learned knew infos. I really liked the last myth that you debunked, made me think if MJ was able to put up great numbers at age 40 I believe if he was in his prime he could've averaged 45pts minimum, maybe 2.5 or 3 steals, 7 Rebs and 9.5 or 10 assists(the NBA was evolving into the shooting era)
The time that Scottie pippen really started to come around was the 1990 playoffs when he averaged 19.3 points 7.2 rebounds and 5.5 assists and he carried that to the 1991 playoffs when he averaged 21.8 points 8.9 rebounds and 5.8 assists and that's when the bulls won their first championship.
It's OK if many or most people say Lebron's great. However, it's not OK when many or most people say Lebron's greater than Michael Jordan or Lebron's the G.O.A.T.. It's simply false! Michael Jordan is on a very different level.
Don't tell people they missed the golden era.They did,but no need keep saying this! Don't tell them they missed the best player ever played this game so far.They did but no need to keep saying this! Don't tell them they missed a real men's tough game.They did but no need to keep saying this! Don't tell them they missed the best dream team ever played in world wide competition.They did but... Be happy whoever saw that era live and keep it secret that today's era sucks,not because of players but because of rules which make players soft!😁😁😁
Jordan made the game evolve.. fadeaway, jumpshot, dunks. Kobe to me was the last great player to play for the game. And your eyes would be glued to the TV to see what he would do. I don't get the same from watching LeBron he's just boring barley plays defense flops when not a finger has touched him, claims to be the best ever but if we gonna say Jordan couldn't win without pippen ok it's a team sport he actually needed everyone on the team but no he didn't need an entire all-star roster like LeBron 😂. And these young boys are deflating the air out of LeBron he can't keep up. We all know Jordan woulda won 8 rings in a row had the events that pulled him from the game never happened. Who was gonna stop him? No team in the nba. And these boys today look athletic but remember grown ass men played in Jordans era there's more injuries now than 20yrs ago. As Jordan got older he evolved his game as well. And was more dangerous absolutely amazing
Does 50-0 makes Mayweather the goat of boxing. Does nick Varner numbers of trophy makes him goat of billiard. It's the players who either play or fight against or the players who watch him. Because they feel it cause they belong there(sport). Peace men
The difference for the Cavs and 89 Jordan was coaches. Jordan made the finals with Jackson when they switched to the triangle. As with Lebron he didn’t make the playoffs or finals until Mike Brown came along.
P. Jackson didn't invent the triangle. P. Jackson was a bench coach in 1987, and he was a coach in the Puerto Rico basketball league previously arriving in Chicago. In other words, P. Jackson was a no body in the pro basketball world. P. Jackson didn't contribute anything to MJ basketball development. The guy who invented the triangle and makes P. Jackson, the type of coach he became, is Tex Winters. He is the mastermind of the triangle and the one who thought MJ to play under the triangle.
@@jorgedelgado8177 yup Phil Jackson was a nobody before the Bulls started winning championships. That Triangle Offense was already formulated by Tex Winter WAY BACK during his first years in coaching but no coach took that system seriously until Phil Jackson became the head coach in 1989-1990 season.
No he wasn't, Mark Jackson won ROTY for 87-88. Jackson had 77 of the votes, with the 3 remaining votes going to Greg Anderson, Kenny Smith, and Winston Garland. 1 a piece obviously.
It's not that Jordan was no good Scottie Pippen. If someone's said that what they are likely talking about is Jordan couldn't even qualify for 1 finals, much less play and win one, without Scottie Pippen. It's Jordan is nonexistent in the finals without Scottie Pippen. It's, without Scottie Pippen, Charles Barkley has a better post season record that Michael Jordan. Those limitations are devastating. Especially when looking at other Finals champions.
Jordan is basic and extremely over rated. I keep telling peoples he's nothing but a old prototype of Bradley Beal at best. He's ain't shhiiii !! He jus the first athletic player in a era of unathletic clueless dudes playing you feel me
#1 Nobody has ever possessed the opinion that Jordan could not carry a team. #2 Nobody has ever possessed the opinion that Jordan was no good without Pipp. #3 Kids just don't do the research. Fine. Not sure where #1/2 come from but i grew up watching Jordan and heard all the debates but never heard these myths from anyone that mattered and/or played in his era. All of those people will tell you that no one has even come close to his greatness, let alone a discussion about it.
This title is so clickbaity. Was looking forward to some good content. Every single one of your videos turns into a LeBron Jordan comparison.... its scary how obsessed you are.
Just a bit more context to the Wizards years. MJ missed most of the summer because he was rehabbing his injuries. Not only was he hurt, he was out of shape, but still rushed coming back (which was a HUGE mistake). He was still rehabbing from injuries, playing out of shape when the season started. The ten game span before the injury was him essentially finally rehabbing properly and getting into playing shape.
The span before his got injured was basically his 'pre-season'!!!!
He never got healthy as he had to battle injury after injury after injury his entire Wizards year stint. This would be hard enough for any player in their prime, let alone for a 40 year old. He needed to get black ooze drained from his knees after every game. Had the bad back which took away any mobility and speed he had leftover from his bad knees. Oh... and his fingers were all busted as well.
I watched those Wiz games on TiVo and he looked pretty good in the 1st and 2nd quarter (specially 2nd), but his shot was flat in the 2nd half which is normal for every player. He had multiple games where he dropped 20+ by the half. The good games where he dropped 30+ were mostly games in which he rested his body and felt relatively well.
All this before today's more advanced training and medicine. He would've recovered quicker from those same injuries today.
People also forget he had a finger tendon permanently damaged from a cigar cutter accident after he won the 1998 Championship. It never fully healed and it affected his overall shooting and ball handling. Despite this, he was getting better and his shooting was also getting better up until his injury. For those who don't believe me, there are articles about this cigar cutter incident and also GIFS showing one of his fingers not bending when he was on the Wizards.
@@handlebucket6285 jordan would've been mvp If he was healthy. Most underrated
His Wizard years should have never happened. Old people like myself know you can't just take off 3 years at an old age, smoke cigars and get fat and think you gonna not run into a whole lot of trouble. If anyone could have done it, it was him. Father time is undefeated for a reason.
@@bwink23 jordan wasn't fat and was in shape even played with injuries not until he was forced to be out for the remaining of the season.
@@tj5180 He gained at least 30 pounds before his comeback
* For those who say MJ played in a weak decade, here are the top 50 Players of the 1990s (the criteria is that a player has to have had at least 3 full really good years in the 90s, or has to have played at least 5 years in the decade):
Michael Jordan
Hakeem Olajuwon
Karl Malone
Shaquille O'Neal
David Robinson
Charles Barkley
Patrick Ewing
John Stockton
Clyde Drexler
Scottie Pippen
Gary Payton
Alonzo Mourning
Reggie Miller
Dominique Wilkins
Grant Hill
Penny Hardaway
Kevin Johnson
Shawn Kemp
Mitch Richmond
Tim Hardaway
Chris Mullin
Latrell Sprewell
Mark Price
Dikembe Mutombo
Jason Kidd
Glen Rice
Larry Johnson
Chris Webber
Brad Daugherty
Joe Dumars
Dennis Rodman
Terry Porter
Ron Harper
Rod Strickland
Eddie Jones
Derek Harper
Reggie Lewis
Dražen Petrović
Detlef Schrempf
Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf
Clifford Robinson
Steve Smith
Jamal Mashburn
Otis Thorpe
Kendall Gill
Kevin Willis
Allan Houston
Hersey Hawkins
Cedric Ceballos
Juwan Howard
MJ can play in any decade and still be the best player.
I think they are plenty of players during Lebrons run that compare lol… it’s just most are still playing lol
@@Supreme36074 Who brought up LeBron? You sound insecure as hell.
That's a hell of a lot of talent!
@@Supreme36074 who brought up bron ?
Keep in mind jordan didn’t take whole games off on defense by being assigned to the worst opponent on the other team so he can basically play offense only. On top of that jordan typically switched off and played help defense . Lebron doesn’t even bother to do anutbing
Jordan 😚 my name but instead of Michael right now my name is Jordan I got the jacket up Michael Jordan😚🤩
Fax
Lebron's main concern these days is to put up stats to show people he is not the issue with the bad team he has a big part in the formation of. He doesn't play defense at all and nobody else does on that team, but he is dropping 29 ppg and that is the only thing ppl look at.
@@timkasansky2528 exactly.
Lebron does play help defense contrary to whatever tf u just said. Also Pippen was assigned harder assignments that Jordan frequently, so you can't boost him for that necessarily
Imagine how far Lebron goes if kyrie averaged 12 points as the second best player or of wade averaged 12 points as second best player. Lebron relies on others to come thru in clutch for him.
Wouldn’t go that far, LBJ in the finals without Wade/Kyrie/AD is 2-11. Those two games he won was in 2015 finals where he was 3-17 in clutch situations that series. No way he wins multiple rings with a teammate like Pippen, bc Pippen wasn’t a scorer or clutch and LBJ’s clutch stats are very poor in the finals. A combination of that is not gonna get you multiple titles. Dude always needs a legit go to star/scorer next to him to win.
definitely agreeing with that james is the coat😂🤣😂 crotches of all tyme 😂🤣😂
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx they scored 90’pts a game & Pippen averaged 20 during their title runs, not 12…
Mike didn’t go very far that year. The 1st year Lebron took the Cavs to the title he didn’t have a teammate who averaged over 14.9 … how far… further than Jordan clearly…
@@Supreme36074 you know percentages? You’re making my case so much better here, Pippen averaged 19 ppg in all of the 6 finals combined yet he accounted for 19.6% of the Bulls points, while MJ accounted for 34.7%...
LBJ has never won like that, in all of his 4 finals wins he accounted for 27.7% of the teams points while his sidekicks (Wade/Kyrie/AD) accounted for 23.1% of the points.
All of his and his sidekicks scoring has always been close, not the case with MJ. For example in 98 he accounted for 38% of the Bulls points while Pippen accounted for 17.8% of the points yet still won. LBJ has never won like that, that’s just one example too. He can’t win without another scorer next to him.
What's crazy is that Jordan could've stacked his stats more but was asked to do less for team success
All great players could stack their stats more. He was asked to do less so they could win.
Unlike Lebron, Michael Jordan"s statistics were not empty and meaningless, he wanted to win, not play for the sake of statistics. The fact is that 39-years-old Michael Jordan was more useful for his team ( +18 wins ) than 34-year-old Lebron James ( + 2 wins ).
2000/01 Wizards- Record: 19-63
2001/02 Wizards- Record: 37-45 ( with old Michael Jordan ).
With MJ, the Wizards won 18 more wins than without him. And if MJ had not been injured ( Missed 22 games ), the result would have been even better.
*Michael Jordan ( age 39 ) leads Wizards to 30-30 Records in the games he played.*
2017/18 Lakers- Record: 35-47.
2018/19 Lakers- Record: 37-45 ( With Lebron James ).
With Lebron James ( age 34 ), the Lakers won just 2 more wins than without him.
Phil Jackson made Jordan trust his teammates. Lebron always involved everyone. If he's stat collecting then it's in his later years. Stop being a Jordantard
WELL SAID .>🎤
because he's in a superteam and his 90's opponents were weak af. and lebron could've stacked his stats more but he always has been doing less for team success without being asked to.
The last one is the only one I’ve heard. That Jordan couldn’t play in today’s NBA. People say that his teams never had to guard quick guards and stretch 4s who look to shoot 20-30 3s per game. That the Bulls of the 90s never faced a team that would shoot 3s within the first 7 seconds of the shot clock and that the 90s Bulls and Michael Jordan weren’t built to beat that. That’s the myth I’ve heard among the kids today. Even Draymond Green talked about that on JJ Redick’s podcast. He said that Jordan’s teams would beat teams 79-70. Draymond said that today that’s a half time score.
I think this is crap. Today’s teams don’t have to go against the wall that was the 90s Bulls. They were a wall. Jordan and Pippen were lockdown defenders. Total stoppers. People forget that because they only see Jordan dunking the ball and fading away. But on the other end he was unplayable. And so was Pippen. Let Steph and Klay go up against Jordan and Pippen and see if they hit all those threes. In the paint you had Grant or Rodman. Forget about layups. Forget about offensive rebounds. What the kids don’t understand is that Jordan’s Bulls match up with today’s teams a whole lot better than today’s teams match up against them.
Yep, people forget that MJ face a quick release shooter, & bigger than Curry too, Drazen Petrovic
@@johanperdana2176 and Petrovic was also stronger and more durable than Curry and you forgot to mention Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf who is closest to Curry in style but Abdul-Rauf was more decisive in his moves than Curry.
@@johanperdana2176 and Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf doesn't shoot his long range shots via set shots like Curry he really take his long range shots via jump shots.
@@jordansoviet23 ah, yep, Abdul-Rauf, one of the fun to watch player from 90's, his shooting is deadly, but, yeah, he played at wrong era 😅
Abdul- Rauf, Mark Price, Reggie Miller, Peja Stojakovic, Drazen Petrovic will become 1st class player right now
Dont forget big player who can shoot 3, like Sam Perkins, Horry, event Greg Foster (Jazz center) will become solid player, if he play right now
It's sad when people have do videos like this just correct dumb people that spread lies about MJ just to boost Lebron.
If Lebron won more his fanboys wouldn't have to lie
Yep if he didn’t choke in that mavericks series he wouldn’t be clowned and if he actually completed the 3peat against San Antonio he would’ve been respected more, but no what happened was, He choked against the Dallas Mavericks, Was Clamped against San Antonio and when he lost he left and went back to the Cavs(again leaving the team that was specifically built for him) He went to the Finals the next year and lost because of injured teammates, then won the next year with healthy teammates but even with that still went down 3-1(thank fully curry and the warriors choked and LeBron won) the next year and the year after that, there’s no way the cavs would’ve won because the warriors were just so stacked and even without KD they were still down 3-1 to the warriors but like i said thankfully the warriors choked at the time, he then won in 6 against a heat team that had no reason to be in the finals with a superteam, they were just a young team with an all-star/superstar leader in Jimmy Butler but it still took them 6 games to clean that team up and now he’s still playing with multiple star caliber players and even tho he’s playing godly at the age of 37, I think his era in the playoffs is over, if he gets to a play-in game he would probably win but lose again in the first round against the Suns(who are just a better team in general) or the warriors and if they make it to the finals, I don’t think they’re winning against the Bucks,Nets or Sixers.
@@earlruiz7866 bron was eliminated in the goat discussion cuz of his bad series in 2007 and 2011
@@tj5180 Can’t really blame for 07, he was only 23 and single-handedly carried the Cavs to a 50-32 record, but the choke in 2011 definitely gave him a hit and when he lost to the spurs and suddenly bailed, it hit him again, then he came back to Cleveland and everything was suddenly put under wraps after he won in 2016, he would probably end with the greatest resume of all-time but probably would also end with just 4 rings in my opinion.
@@earlruiz7866 he didnt singlehandly carried the Cavs. The Cavs were a top defensive team that season and rebounding also faced weak teams in the east a wizards team who had no arenas or butler also a pistons team in the ecf who didnt have Ben wallace or their coach Larry brown
@Beery he never improved his mid range game nor he even tried to play off the ball offense that's why a bench player named Jason Terry outplayed him in 2011 Finals.
That last myth is pretty hilarious. Jordan in his prime with cutting some of the toughest defenses in the league to ribbons in an era where defense was allowed. In this modern era where defense is more or less just a vague concept he'd have a field day.
Zones were illegal back then, so was handchecking, video tapes and rule book show it. He isn't averaging 50 in this era, not even close.
@@dynamic6645 lol teams still played zone like 1-2-2 zone press, floating zones too.
@@jordansoviet23 dude doesn't watch 90s but only cherrypicks videos. Not just the 90s also 80s. Many coaches and players even in news papers back then shows that zone was played
@@tj5180 well the AirJordanitz channel here shows the proof that zone defense was also a part of Jordan Rules defense against Michael Jordan.
It was a 47:20 long video just type 'Michael Jordan The Greatest of All Time versus Old School Real Defense.
@@tj5180 here's the video itself
ruclips.net/video/adusCcba89o/видео.html
I don't get why the comparison for goat is between Jordan and Ming James. Koby was better than Ming. MJ is the goat but I'd rather have Koby than that flopping crybaby.
I rate Duncan over LeBron as well
Lebron could not stop the offensive power of Jason Terry
Jordan couldn't even stop Nick Anderson or 5'3" Muggsy Bogues 🤣🤣🤣
ruclips.net/video/O6sWB6ideao/видео.html
41 year old Kareem making 26 year old Jordan look like a fool with his skyhook 🤣🤣🤣
@@dynamic6645 who's stopping kareem skyhook.
@@dynamic6645 jordan owned muggsy and trash talked him lol
@@tj5180 No he didn't own him lol, Muggsy stripped him lol stop lying
Just want to correct you on one thing I noticed you had wrong. Pippen's first year was not the 88/89 season it was the 87/88 season and he averaged 7.9 points a game off the bench but that actually strengthens your point though. 👍
Back in those days a defender had to chase his opponent all game long because of the man to man defense, nothing like standing around in a zone defense most of the time, plus being double teamed many times during those games, very demanding physically.
I hate zone defense because if you're a defender you only defend the area that you were put in, not your man as well as it makes you lazy on defense instead of chasing your man.
I don't see the point of this comment.... back when Jordan played you help defense wasn't a thing so if teams spread their offense he had an easy iso situation every time
@@justincrawley4256 he had to beat the best defender on the other team or double team and then shoot over a 7 foot rim protector because there was no 3 second violation in the crowded paint area for defensive players
@@alfonsoterrero8840 help defense wasn't allowed at all....zone wasn't a thing back then so no you're wrong. Like I said if the bulls would have their big man leave the paint, based off the rules the apposing teams big man would have to leave the paint and guard his man out on the three leaving the lane wide open....
@@justincrawley4256 so you are saying there was no double team and no big men in the paint? Go look at some 1980's and '90s games, Jordan's rules, ever heard of that? Or ever heard of the block shots leaders? They are mostly from that era, there was no empty paint zone in those days
Not to mention MJ as a Wizard did ALL that after a 3 year lay off from playing NBA games. He was completely out if shape when he came to the Wizards at that age, a shell of his former self, but still was easily top 5 and arguably top 3 in the league as a Wizard after all I just laid out lol! Just more proof(as if we needed more) why he's the GOAT💯
With Michael Jordan ( age 39 ), the Wizards won 18 more wins than without him.
2000/01 Wizards- Record: 19-63.
2001/02 Wizards- Record: 37-45 ( With old Michael Jordan ).
Michael Jordan ( age 39 ), leads the Wizards to 30-30 Records in the games he played.
With Lebron James ( age 34 ), the Lakers won 2 more wins than without him.
2017/18 Lakers- Record: 35-47.
2018/19 Lakers: Record: 37-45 ( With Lebron James ).
Lebron James ( age 34 ), leads the Lakers to 28-27 Records in the games he played. Lebron is not a leader and hes terrible defensively.
@@allanhouston.1884 Great point bro!!
How on earth people have the nerves to say MJ couldn't play into today's NBA because he's an average 3 point shooter?
But you have MOFO stars in today's NBA who can't even shoot 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
LeBum can't even shoot above 40% from beyond three feet for his entire damned career 🤣
1984-1999 Golden era: If Russell Westbook and James Harden played in the 90s, they would never have won an MVP award.
6"3 Russell Westbrook ( PG ) couldnt average 10-Rebounds per games and Triple Double per season.
vs David Robinson, Alonzo Mourning, Kevin Garnett, Chris Webber, Dikembe Mutombo, Hakeem Olajuwon,
Shaquille O"Neal, Dennis Rodman, Shawn Kemp, Karl Malone and Patrick Ewing.
James Harden is terrible defensively and he is the King of the Flop and Travel. In the 90s, fans would not have tolerated such disrespect for the game and themselves.
You spent half the video on the first myth when 30sec would be enhough. As a rookie and with him being the only noticable addition, Jordan make the 3rd worst team in NBA a playoff team. This alone he can carry a team. You could had also that without Jordan the Bulls weren't able to go in finales.
He made the playoffs being under .500 and the east only had 11 teams back then, not to mention that handchecking and zones were illegal too.
@@dynamic6645 There is ZERO evidence that it's harder to score against zone defense (Zone defense was implemented in the 2001-02 season):
- The leauge scoring average didn't change that much at all after they implemented zone defense in 2001. FG% and team PPG BOTH went up the year they implemented zone defense. In the 2000-01 season, teams averaged 94.8 PPG on 44.3 FG%. In the 2001-02 season, teams averaged 95.5 PPG on 44.5%. The lowest scoring season took place in 1999, before zone defense.
- Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki, Allen Iverson, Paul Pierce, Tracy McGrady, Ray Allen, Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis, Allan Houston, Jalen Rose, Peja Stojaković, Richard Hamilton all started playing in the 90s and all had their best scoring seasons in the zone defense era.
- Michael Jordan at age 38-39 after not playing pro ball for 3 entire seasons, for the first 46 games was averaging 25.1 PPG, 6.2 RPG and 5.3 APG, 1.5 SPG against zone defense, and getting better as the season went along. Also had the Wizards as the 3rd seed and a top 5 defensive team in the leauge at the Allstar break. In his last 10 games leading up to his injury, he was averaging 29.7 PPG, 6.6 RPG and 6.1 APG on 47.2%. Only thing that stopped him was his knee injury that he had after the Allstar break.
- Karl Malone at age 38 against zone defense was still averaging 22.4 PPG, 8.6 RPG, and 4.3 APG. He also had his career high steals average with 1.9 SPG.
- John Stockton at ages 39-40 averaged more PPG with 13.4 PPG, than the previous year. On Higher FG%. He also had more SPG than the previous season. His numbers also weren't far off from prime MVP candidate Jason Kidd that season. While being the much more efficient scorer. All against zone defense.
- Gary Payton at age 33 averaged 22.1 PPG, (higher scoring season than any of his seasons in the 90s) 9.0 APG, 1.6 SPG, on 46.7 % against zone defense.
- Sam Cassell at age 32 had a higher PPG season than any of his seasons in the 90s, with 19.7 PPG against zone defense. Two seasons later at age 34 he surpassed his career high with 19.8 PPG.
@@handlebucket6285 Kobe Bryant: *"But for scorers like myself and Carmelo and KD, the rules from the ’80s can be more beneficial for us, because you have to be played straight up. I don’t care if you hand check us with three hands. If there’s nobody behind you, you’re not going to stop us. So the zone I think, cripples some of the top scorers."*
“KICKS: *“If you guys could change one rule in the League, what would it be?”*
Kevin Garnett: *“No zone.”*
Tim Duncan: *“Yeah, the zone.”*
Tracy Mcgrady: *“That shit is stupid.”*
KICKS: *“Because it didn’t do what they (The NBA) thought it would do?”*
Kevin Garnett: *“I think it puts players that are really good at a disadvantage… I remember Phoenix sat somebody literally right there (in the lane).”*
Tracy Mcgrady: *“It makes it hard for a guy like me."*
Kevin Garnett: *“Who penetrates.”*
Tim Duncan: *“It makes it hard for all of us.”*
Tracy Mcgrady: *" It’s tough on all of us, it really is. When you’re trying to make a move, and you got another guy sittin’ right there on the same side just waitin.”*
Kevin Garnett: *“He ain’t even playin’ his man.”*
Tracy Mcgrady: *"Nah, not at all. “*
Kevin Garnett: *“That’s where teammates are really, really important. Not only is there pressure on you to get them the ball, but the pressure’s on them to be productive and draw the defense.”*
@@handlebucket6285 IF ZONE DEFENSES COME IN, STARS MAY GO OUT
By Sam Smith
Chicago Tribune
•
April 01, 2001
The subject was defense in the NBA, and Michael Jordan was speaking, although more about offense, especially his. We know few defenses could do anything about that.
But there was one that might be bothersome, the zone defense. It was the topic du jour at last month's All-Star Game, and Jordan was making an impassioned plea before the competition committee that had gathered to consider rules changes to enliven the NBA game. Jordan spoke passionately. If teams were able to play zone defenses, he said, he never would have had the career he did.
@@handlebucket6285 Videos debunking the myth that zones were allowed in the 90's: ruclips.net/video/qGT_pwaFk94/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/YM_eCnTNt1Q/видео.html
Some more myths debunked
1. The bums who claim MJ wasn't good at playmaking but ignore his career high in assists which is 17 LeBrons is 19 which should show you that MJ can playmake like a demi if he wanted
2. MJ in his earlier seasons was so insane. basketball is a team sport how are you going to blame him for not winning early in his career if he scored 63 against a Celtics team stacked with 5 hall of famers and was better than everyone on his team combined and had to carry
3. There's no way you think MJ isn't a GOATED all around player when his only weakness isn't even a weakness since he was an average 3pt shooter and career high is 7 threes and shot 43% from 3 in a season
4. MJ is not just a scorer he is arguably one of the best 2 way players of all time if not the best 2 way player of all time, arguably one of the best on ball defenders of all time, one of the best rebounding guards of all time and one of the best ball stealers of all time.
5. MJ is the GOAT because of his GOATED offense and defense but he would be a great player even if he was only good at offense or defense
Jordog is basic and over rated. He's a old model of Bradley Beal. He wouldn't be shhhi if he play today cuz he too small an would be coming off the bench
@@___Anakin.Skywalker stop talking about basketball.
@@tj5180 Jordan ain't Shi
@@___Anakin.Skywalker ur profile pic explains everything. Not gonna argue
@@tj5180 LeBron James is the best ever king and GOAT
I am not going to go through the numbers...but in regards to most 50-win, 60-win teams beaten. I guarantee Jordan may be second to Kobe, but Jordan's is more impressive by far. I am sure Jordan did it less total playoff series played, AND did it as THE MAN, best player on his team for ALL of them.
Really doesn't matter. Kobe did most of that as a sidekick to Shaq.
Kobe like #8-12 player All Time
vs 50+ win teams
MJ 20-7 74%
Kobe (without Shaq) 9-7 56.2%
vs 60+ win teams
MJ 7-2 77.7%
Kobe (without Shaq) 0-2 0%
Even if we count with Shaq, he went 15-5 (75%) vs 50+ win teams and 2-4 (33.3%) vs 60+ win teams.
Not a knock at Kobe but a lot of people tend to leave that out, or just don’t know that he wasn’t the HOF Kobe early on.
@@KaineTremaine exactly. People don't add context.
It's ridiculous how good that man was..
LeBron fans: "Titles are a team accomplishment and shouldn't be part of the GOAT debate."
Also LeBron fans: "Jordan sucked with the Wizards because they didn't win any titles."
Notice the contradiction? That's just one if many with them.
Another one is “LBJ’s all star teammates doesn’t mean anything, the all star game is a dumb popularity contest”
Yet this is the same lame fan base who’s boosting LBJ’s all star appearances in year 19 and made new accounts on social media just to get him ahead of Curry in all star votes lol. Worst fan base ever.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx Stop lying clown no one said that, Jordan flunkies smh
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx Jordan flunkies are obsessed with LeBron, he is a threat to their father and savior Michael Jeffrey Jordan 🤣🤣🤣
Jordan fanboys: *"Lebum missed the playoffs in La"*
But then also: *'' Jordan missed the playoffs because he was injured"*
Sorry kid, you can't expect LeBron fans to use context when Jordan fans don't, Jordan jockers = by far the worst fanbase in all of sports !
@@dynamic6645 LeBron missing the playoffs in LA isn't even brought up as much as you think since he missed a good chunk of the season. Even if it is, it wouldn't even be a thing worth bringing up if not for that stupid 1-9 narrative y'all love to use with no context. Speaking of context, LeBron fans only use it if it benefits LeBron anyway. They never use it for Jordan. This whole debate started because of LeBron fans anyway and y'all set the tone, so getting mad at Jordan fans that use the same debate tactics you guys do is admitting that your debate tactics are wrong.
Biggest Jordan myth IMO : " He couldn't shoot threes ". Yet Jordan shot OVER 38% from three in EACH postseason of the first threepeat, and 40% from three in EACH of those Finals.
2nd Biggest Jordan myth is that Jordan wasn't a good perimeter shooter when he came into the NBA. Jordan was ALWAYS a very good midrange shooter. But he perfected his mid-range game in the early 90's. In Jordan's 63pt outburst against the Celtics in 1986 playoffs, a commentator described Jordan as a combination of West from the perimeter, and Baylor in the post. This was Jordan's second season in the league.
With regards to Jordan's competition in the 90's, all I will say is this: Jordan's competition in the 90's is the same competition Shaq faced early in his career, as Shaq was drafted in 1992. In the 1990's Shaq got SWEPT in the playoffs FIVE times by five DIFFERENT franchises! Shaq would beg to differ with anybody who belittles the calibre of teams that competed in the 1990's.
Jordan was trash at 3.
Tell me the team better than the warriors with kd.
@@jahleelx9270 no he wasn't. He just didnt need to shoot them. In the 5 seasons he shot more than 2 threes per game he shot the following percentages; 38%, 35%, 50%, 43%, and 37%.
@@dash4800 he was atrocious. I seen it with my own eyes.
MJ 👑
Jordan could average 35 with hand checking, without defensive 3 seconds violation and without shooting 3s, and jokers think he can't play in the modern NBA.
MJ will be dominate in the modern league. In the 90s, the Defense is better.
1997/98 season:
*Kevin Garnett ( age 21 )=18- 10- 4, FG-49%.*
It was his third season in the Nba.
*Allen Iverson ( age 22 )=22- 3- 6, FG-46%.*
*Kobe Bryant ( age 19 )=15- 3- 4, FG-45%.*
*Ray Allen ( age 22 )=19- 5- 4, FG-43%.*
2019/20 season:
*Trae Young ( age 21 )= 30- 3- 9, FG-43%.*
*Luka Doncic ( age 22 )=29- 9- 9, FG-46%.*
It was their second season in the Nba.
*Rookie Zion Williamson ( age 19)= 22- 8- 3, FG-58%.*
2021 Playoffs: Ja Morant ( age 21 )=30- 5- 8, FG-49%
Sir the defensive 3 second violation has been established in 1966, and Kobe said handchecking is overrated and that zones are harder !
@@allanhouston.1884 Allen Iverson scored 30 pts on 63 FG% in his first game, using your logic, I guess we can all agree that defense sucked back then and modern players would be more dominant in the 90's
@@dynamic6645 I guess we can all agree you're a small troll with no arguments.
Many channels have done videos debunking these myths. But they still get pushed. You have to ask why?
Because modern fans lack the ability to prefer the current era and players without denigrating the past. They love to tell everyone to appreciate greatness as we're witnessing it, but they sure don't appreciate past greatness.
@@davidmartinez52420 well said.
@@Sf75178 LBJ groupies man. That’s basically it, that boy has his “yes” men all over the media trying to push these false narratives on MJ whilst trying to prop up any little thing that LBJ does.
Look how they gush over LBJ when he has a huge scoring night, yet for years have told us how MJ’s scoring was overrated bc he’s a ball hog. They knocked MJ’s scoring titles yet are getting wet with the thought of LBJ winning a scoring title this year. Hilarious stuff.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx yes . And his fans when watching the LeBron pro media they take notes and you see it repeated on social media
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx cry some more clown
Jordan could not carry teams!?!? ROFL!!! The only reason the Bulls were as good as they were is because Jordan DROVE them to be that good. Phil Jackson wasn’t the leader of that team; Jordan was. There’s not a single player on any Bulls team that would have won a ring without Jordan’s relentless drive to victory. That fact ALONE makes him twice the ball player Lebron will ever be
Do u know anyone who said Jordan was the leader of the bulls.
Jordan did play in the modern era of basketball. His skills would span across all eras, and his athleticism, durability, and motor is all-time GOAT level. The rules and officiating that gave any team a chance to slow him down are long gone. He would feast today in these open lanes, weak physical play era.
Bla bla bla bla, Giannis, an injured KD, 37 year old LeBron, Steph Curry and Harden are getting their points on Jordan easily
@@dynamic6645 Find a girl....no, not your left hand....no, not your right hand either.
Jordog is so basic. He's just a old model Bradley Beal
@@dynamic6645 what lol.
So when was lebron better than Kobe which is Jordan carbon copy
Kobe was nowhere near MJ
Jordan was a rebound machine in the 1997 playoffs.
Jordan lead his team in points and assists rebounds in the 3 rounds of the 1997 playoffs
Like Jordan hit the 90's so hard that it's like what happened to the other players. People fail to realize that the West was stacked in the 90's with the Shaq Lakers, Hakeem Rockets, Barkley Suns, Drexler's trailblazers, Robinson Spurs, Peytons Sonics and of course the Jazz. We are forgetting that all these teams had to play each other in order to play the Bulls. All these teams beat the hell out of each other and had nothing left when it came to play the Bulls. Not so sure the East in the 90's was stronger than the West. At any rate, if you couldn't shoot a mid range back then constantly then you were done. Also the fundamentals of the game was much tougher back then. I miss the game then and it's all because of the one and done destroyed the NBA, no defense and the lack of staying on one team. This is how good the league was back then with defense, the Knicks and Pacers with one hall of famer seemed to always take the Bulls to a game 7
Show me a team beat that the bulls were not clearly better on depth chart. Other teams only had 1 "great" player and maybe a 2nd decent guy.
*"People fail to realize that the West was stacked in the 90's"*
So basically you are saying that Jordan feasted in a weak east, thanks for clarifiying
@@dynamic6645 pretty much.. every team he beat was a "duo" team.. bulls always had 3 and 4 very good guys. Who was bulls biggest competition?? Knicks.. with Ewing and starks.. starks the #2 player.. c'mon. Bulls had bench players better than him! Who else.. Pacers? Miller and Mullin? Still only 2 guys.. 3rd best was who? Washed up mark Jackson? Who else.. the cav?... you mean big bad mark price and Craig elho?? Seriously.. who are you so impressed with that Jordan beat? The 45yr olds of the lakers and celtics? Every good team Jordan faced he got waxed until that team became old. Or he cried so much they had to soften the rules for him in 1992
@@RockyTopSplash literally not true.
@@dynamic6645 that wasn't what he meant. He was saying the west was stacked in the 90s and he never said the 90s east was weak
Goat 🐐
Greatest Of All Trash yeah 🤣
@@dynamic6645 now you are saying the whole NBA is trash
@@dynamic6645 🤣🤣
@@dynamic6645 yeah
MJ= Michael Jordan
LBJ (LeFlop) = Low Budget Jordan
@@dynamic6645 are you talking about yourself?
"Jordan couldn't carry teams." Literally his entire career, both with the Bulls, and then the Wizards.
Lebron has had so many super teams. More than any other player and all he has to show for it is 4 rings and over twice as many losses in the finals.
Myth, Michael Jordan was Johnny Kilroy haha.
Johnny Kilroy Jordan 9s
This vid was very much need UH keep up the MJ content g
The number one myth is at Michael Jordan didn't have a jump shot early in his career..... The man came in the league with a complete game from day one that includes a post-up game the fade away was already there he just didn't use it as much...... I put that myth right up there with the myth that people think Mike Tyson didn't have a jab .....
I find the myth that Jordan wouldn't be successful in the modern game really quite odd. Jordan had 2 particularly great strengths, getting to the basket and finishing and scoring from midrange. With the spacing in the modern game due to the dominance of the 3 point shot there would be no way to stop him. You can't pack the paint like this did in the 90's because there'd be endless open 3's for his team mates who in this era would be 3 point sharp shooters. So what do you do?
everyone please stop responding to downside up - just ignore him & save your energy for someone worthy
Thanks for this post!!! something to enjoy indeed..🍻
You really shouldn't show this video to LeBron believers because they will go crazy.
Bc it doesn't fit their narrative
This guy loves Jordan more than his parents LMAO
Yeah I probably do 'love' Jordan more than my parents do. They aren't into basketball though so that's probably the reason.
@@dynamic6645 I bet ur secretly a jordan fan. No wonder why ur in this channel and commenting everytime and you have a channel about jordan as well.
@@tj5180 You won't find him on a LeBron video, always MJ. No doubt he loves him some MJ. Imagine thinking LeBron is better, but never watching his lowlights, I mean highlights. Spending every waking moment on MJ. The dude clearly loves MJ, but one then weirdos who think it makes them special to go against the grain.
In the end. There is a WIDE GULF between JORDAN and WHOMEVER you have at number 2.
Very wide
Massive gap
The bottom line is most people who are saying these things about Jordan don't listen to evidence anyway. I watched this one kid react to like 20 MJ videos and the whole time he's blown away, never seen anyone like him, etc...but at the end of the video he always just sort of meekly says mumble mumble Bron the goat mumble. Like, some people just need to be right even when it's easy to prove them wrong.
They can’t accept the truth, they don’t want to put anyone ahead of LBJ unless they hear it from Shannon/Nick’s mouth. Those shows are intended for the casual fans, that happens to be a lot of kids in general. I remember when the last dance was airing Trae Young was stunned that MJ had that incredible 88 year, a lot of these youngins (pun intended) don’t do their research.
Yeah the difference between 1989 ecf for mj and 2007 finals for Lebron is that Lebron was 22 years old and was plating against the greatest dynasty of the 2000s
He got swept and played bad in the Finals.
@@vintagenbafunk4158 Jordan got burned by Isiah Thomas and choked in game 5, 1 point in the 4th quarter
Spurs a better Dynasty than Shaq and Kobe Lakers, that team never even repeated and even when LeBron had the better team in 2014 he still got burned by a record margin
@@MrKing8050 spurs were a legit chip contender for almost 15 years think about that
@@MrKing8050 LeBron didn't have the better team, and the Heat were the older team
The ONLY superstar NBA player to win a championship without any help is the Hakeem the dream.
Here the issue too. The media do a great of comparison lbj to mj but compare mj to a God. Like people mj is a great basketball player not a God. He lost then he won
Obviously no player is a God…but if we had to choose one it would be MJ…He was the closest to being a God on the court
@@jhad777 Yeah I agree, the dude was the most feared guy on the court and the player with practically no weaknesses and he was probably the most complete player ever, if the NBA was a religion, Jordan would be God with the way he was playing on the court, Dude was the most famous man on the planet, even more so than the Pope at the time.
This dude gets it. Thanks for seeing through the MJ fanboys / this channel / the media and actually being intelligent about basketball
Love the chillhop music. Is that Aaron Neville with the smooth vocals and do you do your own mixes?
12:58 biggest difference is level of competition. Jordan had to go thru the Cleveland, Boston, and Detroit in the playoffs. In 2007 the eastern conference was so weak its fuckin laughable
That run was overrated. Plus people forget that the Cavs were a great defensive team and rebounding that season also had decent players
It’s only weak cause lebron made the finals lol but okay hater
@@boonebeasley9622 and has a losing record in those finals. What is he 4 - 6? 😂 gtfoh wit ur weak ass arguments
@@boonebeasley9622 Indeed it is:
Round 1 of Playoffs:
Cavs vs Wizards:
Wizards stats: Finished with a 41-41 record.
Was the second worst defensive team in the league.
Round 2 of Playoffs:
Cavs vs Pistons:
Pistons stats: 53-29 record.
Ben Wallace was gone.
10th worst defensive team.
Round 3 of Playoffs:
Cavs vs Nets:
Nets were terrible offensively and defensively (finished 25th).
41-41 record
Remember, Lebron didnt make the playoffs first 3 years.
Jordan Comp first 3 years (made playoffs)
First year faced the Bucks
Bucks stats: 59-23 record.
Best defensive team in the league
6th best offensive team in the league
2 time DPOY guarding MJ
All this in his first year.
2nd and 3rd playoffs:
Faced a team with 5 hall of famers.
Celtics Stats:
67-15 record.
best defense in the league.
4 players averaging 20+ ppg.
3rd best offense in the league.
@@broken78 okay and jordan played in weakest era in nba history in terms of competition
I can't recall any of those myths, can't believe they're real either. They must be coming from young people that never saw him play. He's the GOAT, there is really no close second. Kobe maybe? That's the closest in my mind, he was a killer too.
MJ wins today very easily
At the end of the day MJ is the GOAT 🐐 💯💥. Case closed.
Nope. LeBron James already proved he's better and greater
@@___Anakin.Skywalker bronsexual
A goat doesn’t pick their roster lose with it and give up on their team . Bronsexuals confirmed
@@___Anakin.Skywalker better in losing.
Yes those are all irritating to hear..
But having watched teams in the 90s that were so competitive, hard nosed, and stacked, the most irritating to me is "jordan played weak competition"
The reallity is so exactly opposite, that I can't even stand hearing that rediculous claim from kids.
So lebron fans lebron could never
Facts about Jordan's time with the Washington Wizards: - The Wizards the previous season were 19-63 (14th in East, 27th in NBA) and were the worst defensive team in the league. MJ was the only major addition to the team and at the All Star break, the Wizards were 3rd in the East with a 26-21 record, despite having a poor start to the season. They also were a top 5 defensive team in the entire NBA at the All Star break. This was all before MJs injury. Which occurred 46 games into the season.
Before his injury, MJ for the first 46 games was averaging 25.1, 6.2 RPG, 5.3 APG, 1.5 SPG, 0.5 BPG on 42.1 FG%. He was getting better as the season went along. So were the Wizards team. In the last 20 games leading up to the injury, MJ was averaging 27.5 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 5.2 APG, 1.3 SPG, 0.5 BPG on 44.2 FG%. In the last 10 games leading up to the injury, MJ was averaging 29.7 PPG, 6.6 RPG, 6.1 APG, 1.2 SPG, 0.3 BPG on 47.2 FG%. People forget that MJ was on minutes restriction for many games after his injury. In his last 7 games, he didn't even start. He only averaged 21.0 MPG in those games. These games heavily brought down his averages.
MJ had torn a tendon in his finger with a cigar cutter on accident after the Bulls won the championship in 1998. It never fully healed and he was never able to bend it all the way and it affected his ball handling and shooting when he came back to play for the Wizards. Another thing people forget is that prior to the season MJ had his ribs broken by Metta World Peace in a pickup game. So not only was MJ dealing with a serious injury before the season began, he also hasn't played professional basketball in Three entire seasons. Despite this, he was having a great season and only getting better as the season progressed. After his injury (46 games into season), the Wizards fell out of the playoffs and fell to the bottom 10 defensively.
Jordan could've easily gone to a more talented Eastern conference team like the Heat, Nets or Celtics. Instead he played more for fun when he came back in 2001. Or he could've gone to the Spurs or Lakers and got an easy ring.
Ngl, I feel like this channel is becoming Jordan central. Nothing wrong with that, but I’ve noticed in these past few videos it’s clear the variety and objectivity of these videos is disappearing, it feels like every other video just is another LeBron and Jordan comparison. Before anyone jumps my throat, yes, I think MJ is the goat, and yes, I think LeBron is the second greatest, and yes, I like Mike more. But be honest to yourselves, once you’re in the top 10 greatest players range, there isn’t much of a gap in greatness between players. Hakeem, Wilt, Mike, Kobe, they’re all on similar levels of greatness. And besides that, you can appreciate both as legends and think one is better than the other, the comments on these videos feel like a Jordan cult the same way sportcenter videos are basically a LeBron cult, you don’t have to tear one down to prop another one up. If you think there’s a “massive gap” between both players, you are lying to yourself, as both are amazing players who have had some of the greatest achievements and moments in the sport.
It feels like you understood this before, and had a lot of great videos and variety of content, giving a lot of greats and legends due respect and good insight, such as the LeBron, Kobe and MJ video on who was more clutch, it was a video that was respectful to all 3, laid out information in a non biased manner, and came to a reasonable conclusion, or the video comparing Kobe’s 81 to Wilt’s 100, acknowledging the greatness of both performances, but I learned a lot from that video, and it really opened my eyes to how the 81 point game was probably even more impressive than I thought. The times LeBron copied Jordan and how they handle trash talkers videos were very bad imo, a lot of the times were stretches, like “LeBron did this crossover once, he did this layup, they both use chalk before a game”, which is just reaching for pointless comparisons, and you failed to mention how Cleveland basically wanted to run LeBron out of the building when he played there as a Heatle, yet he still exploded on them for 38. Hell, they had to hire extra security, I don’t recall that ever happening to Jordan. I’m not even saying LeBron is tougher, but you have to be impartial and not cherry pick, which this channel is devolving into. You’ve also gone back on your own words, from calling Steph the best player in the nba to overrated like nothing, and for someone who criticizes the nba media for changing narratives and peddling the same content every year, you’re becoming just like them with the constant goat debate comparisons, going back on statements and whatnot.
Maybe it’s just me, but I’m saying this as a fan of your channel, and want more of that great content we got in the past that celebrated the nba and all the greats in the past, and was incredibly informative with a lot of great insight and breakdowns as to how great these players truly were. I think you’re capable of producing fantastic content, but nowadays it feels very repetitive, biased and of overall lesser quality nowadays.
You are talking out of your ass. Out of the last 10 videos Uncut Hoops put out, only 2 had MJ as the central focus. 7 of those had NOTHING to do with MJ.
There is a massive gap between MJ and everyone else. He did everything in 13 years. It's taken lebron 20 years.
Championships always matter in the GOAT talk.
I agree there is no real gap in greatness, just styles preferred by different fans
@@handlebucket6285 yo, take it easy man lol. No need to get so worked up, but you can’t tell me in good faith that the copying MJ and the handling trash talkers videos aren’t clearly biased
@@Greg-gp6vz I can actually
You are wrong to measure Jordan’s teammates playing strength by points alone.
3:54 Jordan's scoring help in the 1989 ECF:
Hodges: 12 ppg .583 TS%
Cartwright: 10.5 ppg .491 TS%
Pippen: 9.7 ppg .453 TS%
Grant: 9.3 ppg .566 TS%
LeBron's scoring help in the 2007 Finals:
Gooden: 12.8 ppg .537 TS%
Gibson: 10.8 ppg .519 TS%
Pavlovič: 9.8 ppg .418 TS%
Ilgauskas: 7.8 ppg .391 TS%
Jordan's rebounding help in the 1989 ECF:
Grant: 9.3 rpg
Pippen: 7.3 rpg
Cartwright: 6 rpg
Sellers: 4.3 rpg
Corzine: 3.3 rpg
LeBron's rebounding help in the 2007 Finals:
Ilgauskas: 10.7 rpg
Gooden: 8.3 rpg
Varejão: 5.3 rpg
Pavlovič: 2.5 rpg
Hughes: 2.5 rpg
Jordan's assist help in the 1989 ECF:
Pippen: 3 apg
Hodges: 3 apg
Paxson: 2.7 apg
Grant: 1.8 apg
Sellers: 1.7 ppg
LeBron's assist help in the 2007 Finals:
Gibson: 2.5 apg
Snow: 2.3 apg
Marshall: 1.3 apg
Hughes: 1 apg
Jones: 1 apg
Jordan's blocking help in the 1989 ECF:
Pippen: 1.3 bpg
Grant: 1 bpg
Cartwright: 0.8 bpg
Corzine: 0.7 bpg
LeBron's blocking help in the 2007 Finals:
Ilgauskas: 1 bpg
Varejão: 0.5 bpg
Gooden: 0.5 bpg
Snow: 0.3 bpg
Quite a reach, at least you tried LOL
Well done you just proved that BOTH players can carry teams.
@@Sf75178 Jordan had more help than LeBron 😎😎😎
@@dynamic6645 that is your opinion. Still doesn't change that you proved both players can carry reams
@@Sf75178 You need to read the comment again 🤣🤣🤣
Jordan in the 1989 ECF had more help than LeBron had in the 2007 Finals 😎😎😎
@@dynamic6645 both players did not have much help. Do you actually understand that?
Jordan may have had a bit more help in this particular comparison. But overall BOTH did not have a lot of help. BOTH carried teams
Luvin it bro. Nice vid, like the breakdown. Dnt think the younger fans know how much more physical it was back then as opposed to now
One of the greateat lies and myths, Curry is the greatest shooter of all time.
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He is the Greatest Shooter ever, had no weakness when it came to shooting
Who shoots better than Steph? And don’t say pure catch and shoot players. Steph can shoot off the dribble, off the catch, all on high volume and efficiency whilst being doubled teamed.
Curry is the greatest shooter of all time
1.Have to get better mentality
2.Able to duplicate any player in skill set best example ( vs Lakers magic.
3.The killer Instinct & intimidation factor
4.One of the Best Trash Talking in his time
5.Last but sherly not least the way he gets revenge on anyone that disrespect him 💯
10:57 Bron has beaten 8 50+ win teams without an all-nba teammate, Jordan 5, basing off this formula
Lebron played longer though.
Lebron couldn't even make the playoff in the west without an all-NBA teammate. Bronsexual Just stop it. West is way better than the east.
@@ThePadai Jordan missed the playoffs in a weak east in 2002 2003 LOL 🤣🤣🤣
@@dynamic6645 yes You mean an old out shaped guy who just came out of his second retirement because he was tired of winning chips. LOL How many 3 peats does LBJ have in his 19 seasons? 0 You are also the one who claims MJ couldn't survive in this era but lots of NBA legends say MJ can average at least 40 in this era.
@@dynamic6645 On a Wizards team that was garbage without him. He was injured at 40 years old lol. What do you expect. Put 40 year old Bron on the 2002 Wizards and see how far they go.
MJ played against most guys that go on most top 10 all time lists with none of them as a teammate. enough said.
10:13 to 10:59 isn’t false, it just needs more context.
From 88-95, the NBA added 6 new teams through expansion. These expansion teams were not very good and were usually some of the worst teams in the league. The teams that Jordan were facing had had their win totals boosted by playing expansion teams so frequently. There are plenty of times where a team would have less than 50 wins if not for expansion teams. This same logic applies to Jordan and the Bulls, they had their win total boosted by playing an expansion team very often. This is part of the reason why I think the 72-10 Bulls is overrated and definitely not as good as the 73-9 Warriors.
The 2016 Warriors had a phenomenal regular season, no doubt. But no matter how you look ar it every team in the 96 play-offs deserved to be there.
Steph Curry would burn Jordan's defense and it's not close, Jordan never shut down any scorer, he got burned by short and quick guys, I don't believe this myth that he would *"lock down Curry"* because it's simply not true.
@@dynamic6645 this has nothing to do with Warriors v Bulls in a mythical match up yet you feel the need to say that. Well done!!!!
The bulls didn't win until 91. Those (expansion) teams were no longer new. If anything the lakers and pistons took advantage of that not the bulls. In the late 90s during their second 3peat the expansion teams were the raptors and grizzlies. They played both teams for a combined 5 games during that stretch in the regular season. How is 5 games considered a (boost) during an 82 game regular season?
@@Sf75178 Yes it does !
It is wrong of you to infer the strength of an era by the number of 60 win teams. If an era is weak, a teams can consistently beat other even more weak teams to accumulate 60 wins. Rather you should look at number of hall of famers to compare across eras. He played against fewer HOFs than his team had from 1992 to 1998. In 1991 he did play against more HoFs than his team but some of those HoFs were injured practically equalling the number of HoFs.
One word you should think about: Overexpansion...
Pippen's first season was '87-'88 not '88-'89. The details matter.
Great video, learned knew infos. I really liked the last myth that you debunked, made me think if MJ was able to put up great numbers at age 40 I believe if he was in his prime he could've averaged 45pts minimum, maybe 2.5 or 3 steals, 7 Rebs and 9.5 or 10 assists(the NBA was evolving into the shooting era)
5:33 Then Lebron is no good without D Wade or Kyrie or AD
Bird did not need McHale to in championships. He won in 1981 without McHale.
The time that Scottie pippen really started to come around was the 1990 playoffs when he averaged 19.3 points 7.2 rebounds and 5.5 assists and he carried that to the 1991 playoffs when he averaged 21.8 points 8.9 rebounds and 5.8 assists and that's when the bulls won their first championship.
It's OK if many or most people say Lebron's great. However, it's not OK when many or most people say Lebron's greater than Michael Jordan or Lebron's the G.O.A.T.. It's simply false!
Michael Jordan is on a very different level.
Don't tell people they missed the golden era.They did,but no need keep saying this!
Don't tell them they missed the best player ever played this game so far.They did but no need to keep saying this!
Don't tell them they missed a real men's tough game.They did but no need to keep saying this!
Don't tell them they missed the best dream team ever played in world wide competition.They did but...
Be happy whoever saw that era live and keep it secret that today's era sucks,not because of players but because of rules which make players soft!😁😁😁
What are the songs in the background
I noticed the great soundtrack
@@KaineTremaine yeah I wanna know all the songs from the soundtrack cuz I like the soundtrack
@@juliangarcia1221 let's email the guy
@@KaineTremaine what's his email?
@@juliangarcia1221 idk. I'll share it with you if I find it
96 at 14th?????? The Sonics were great that yr!!!!!
How dare they rate them that low
Jordan made the game evolve.. fadeaway, jumpshot, dunks. Kobe to me was the last great player to play for the game. And your eyes would be glued to the TV to see what he would do. I don't get the same from watching LeBron he's just boring barley plays defense flops when not a finger has touched him, claims to be the best ever but if we gonna say Jordan couldn't win without pippen ok it's a team sport he actually needed everyone on the team but no he didn't need an entire all-star roster like LeBron 😂. And these young boys are deflating the air out of LeBron he can't keep up. We all know Jordan woulda won 8 rings in a row had the events that pulled him from the game never happened. Who was gonna stop him? No team in the nba. And these boys today look athletic but remember grown ass men played in Jordans era there's more injuries now than 20yrs ago. As Jordan got older he evolved his game as well. And was more dangerous absolutely amazing
I'm sorry but Lebron isn't a top 10 player. Sure he puts up some decent numbers but he doesn't have the killer instinct it takes to be elite.
Lmao
@@boonebeasley9622 What's that lmao for when you literally said Jordan is the most overrated player in any sports history. Now that one is funny.
how the hell can a guy who was first team all nba 11 times and is the all time scorer and is number 4 in all time assist..
Does 50-0 makes Mayweather the goat of boxing. Does nick Varner numbers of trophy makes him goat of billiard. It's the players who either play or fight against or the players who watch him. Because they feel it cause they belong there(sport). Peace men
Michael Jordan is the consensus GOAT and there's nothing you or the Jordan HATERS can do or say about it.
Jordan fckin made Pippen and Bulls relevant
Pipen went to the bulls in 1987
Unbelievable stats for 97'. Wow.
I wouldn't say 97 run was a carry job like they are essentially 96 bulls which many call greatest team of all time like they won 69 game that year
Great video. Thank you!
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Don't compare MJ to a Lebron James ........
People should show weighted average scoring , or percentage of a teams points
The difference for the Cavs and 89 Jordan was coaches. Jordan made the finals with Jackson when they switched to the triangle. As with Lebron he didn’t make the playoffs or finals until Mike Brown came along.
P. Jackson didn't invent the triangle. P. Jackson was a bench coach in 1987, and he was a coach in the Puerto Rico basketball league previously arriving in Chicago. In other words, P. Jackson was a no body in the pro basketball world. P. Jackson didn't contribute anything to MJ basketball development. The guy who invented the triangle and makes P. Jackson, the type of coach he became, is Tex Winters. He is the mastermind of the triangle and the one who thought MJ to play under the triangle.
@@jorgedelgado8177 yup Phil Jackson was a nobody before the Bulls started winning championships. That Triangle Offense was already formulated by Tex Winter WAY BACK during his first years in coaching but no coach took that system seriously until Phil Jackson became the head coach in 1989-1990 season.
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Incredible
Luv ur content bruv, big mj fan myself.
These fanatical Lebron wannabe basketball fans make up the most ridiculous myths. I am seriously just tired of their scrupulous bs.
He never carried a team.
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When they mean modern nba they mean current era NBA o disagree but it would be interesting
2nd I haven’t watched this channel in a while!
Lie # 1: MJ is not the GOAT.
Wasn't Scottie Rookie year in 1987-88 season?
No he wasn't, Mark Jackson won ROTY for 87-88.
Jackson had 77 of the votes, with the 3 remaining votes going to
Greg Anderson, Kenny Smith, and Winston Garland. 1 a piece obviously.
He wasnt lol
Yes he was a rookie that year even though he didn't win ROTY
Oh wow it was late when I responded to that lol completely misread the original post.
Pippen also wasn't even an All Star during 1991 Championship, or the 1998 Championship.
MJ carried..
The voice is so funny
are you done??
It's not that Jordan was no good Scottie Pippen. If someone's said that what they are likely talking about is Jordan couldn't even qualify for 1 finals, much less play and win one, without Scottie Pippen. It's Jordan is nonexistent in the finals without Scottie Pippen. It's, without Scottie Pippen, Charles Barkley has a better post season record that Michael Jordan. Those limitations are devastating. Especially when looking at other Finals champions.
I liked this video
Jordan is basic and extremely over rated. I keep telling peoples he's nothing but a old prototype of Bradley Beal at best. He's ain't shhiiii !! He jus the first athletic player in a era of unathletic clueless dudes playing you feel me
MOST OVERRATED PLAYER IN ANY SPORT IN SPORTS HISTOY
#1 Nobody has ever possessed the opinion that Jordan could not carry a team. #2 Nobody has ever possessed the opinion that Jordan was no good without Pipp. #3 Kids just don't do the research. Fine. Not sure where #1/2 come from but i grew up watching Jordan and heard all the debates but never heard these myths from anyone that mattered and/or played in his era. All of those people will tell you that no one has even come close to his greatness, let alone a discussion about it.
Oh and #4, GTFUOH
This title is so clickbaity. Was looking forward to some good content. Every single one of your videos turns into a LeBron Jordan comparison.... its scary how obsessed you are.