Dean Park Model Railway 302 | June 2022 Layout Update & Cavalex TEA Review
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Dean Park Model Railway 302 | Platinum Jubilee Layout Update & Cavalax TEA Review
An exciting special Platinum Jubilee June update for you! I show you progress on my 'Great Wall of Dean Park', showcase my Class 91 test train, complete my MK1 coach project and also put the NEW Cavalex TEA under close inspection! There is also loads of model rail running shots from of a selection of locos around the Dean Park layout.
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I must concur with you picking up the Hornby MK 3 Sleeper coaches (Just for now). My suggestion (For what its worth) Would be to not weather them at all, Keep the Boxes and sell them at a flea market at a later date, after you can purchase the new models available. You should be able to get most of your money back anyway!
Great update Dave, brilliant as usual
The tank wagons seem to be pretty free running, but I think this is also a testament to the quality of your trackwork....
Well done.....
James Hennighan
Yorkshire, England
Cheers James. Very kind of you. I have to say I do pride myself on good track laying. That and level baseboards :-) Dave
Aweome udate Dave!!! Just awesome! Cheers Onno.
Always remember jumping in and out of mk1's opening the doors before fully stopping at the platform as a kid going to Edinburgh at the weekends and that noise slamming them shut.
Hi, thanks for another great update. On the Mk1 brake coach the frosted window you called the toilet is actually the guards compartment. In there is the handbrake, vacuum handle, seat, desk, etc. The toilet is located at the other end of the coach and has a ventilator in its window.
This is a good point. Thanks for pointing that out. Cheers.
Heh. When you ran the tank train at track speed those squeaking journals reminded me of the sound the giant ants made in the classic horror movie "Them!". The Eberhard Junction solution of a wee bit of grease inspired me to solve a similar problem on my bobber (2 axle) transfer caboose that way. If the grease wears away I'll try some graphite. Thanks as always for your excellent videos! Cheers from Wisconsin.
Good to see those TEAs navigating all those peco streamline points without issue. I'm now in the process of removing my peco set-track points from the fiddleyard so wagons such as these can run without derailment.
Really? That really shouldn’t be necessary for new products. I did see your video and was surprised by the derailment. I obviously know from first hand experience that there is nothing wrong with your point work and track laying so how can these wagons not navigate them?! Are they only for 3rd radius and above?!
Glad to see you’ve solved your squeaking. Mine Was driving me mad!
Yes out of the box they are 3rd radius and above. To negotiate second radius you need to remove the very end portion of brake gear on the chassis beyond the discharge pipes as these stop the bogie turning enough for 2nd radius.
Great layout update there Dave, it’s coming along very well, some great stock additions and that test car 10 still looks fantastic, that is definitely a coach I would like to have a go at making in the future, the sleeper coaches look nice and I’m definitely going to look into getting some of those in the future, the TEAs look quite nice and are very well detailed, they may be something I think of getting in the future, great update overall Dave some brilliant work done there.
Great see light engine running about Dave cheers
Everything is coming together beautifully. Again (and again and again ...) :-) you did an outstanding job. The maintainance yard area with all the workshops & facilities is an absolute stunner. There'll be some epic camera angles once the "Great Wall" section is totally finished.
Thanks. Yeah that’s my hope. Some stunning night shots top of the depot all lit up. :-) thanks for watching and for getting in touch. :-) Dave
Another Great Video Dave , Dave I have to say the weathering on the coaches is very well executed , Regards Dave
A great demo of good trackwork, no derailments there for the new wagons' Fantastic view of the TMD area at 27.18, Most enjoyable Dave.
Cheers. Yeah now that I’ve got the wall in place I can get a lot more shots of the depot. :-)
It looks like the tankers are better value than the sleepers. I remember when you used to get some stock from ebay and bet you could of found enough sleepers there as it seems you only got them as a temporary rake you may not use once the MK4 stock is out. Graphite is great for lubricating bearings I use Yale powder and just drop a few grains on the end of the using a small file, it seems to fall into the axle cup OK so no need to remove the wheels each time.
Dave. I cannot believe you had issue with the noisy wheels. Wagons come with authentic sound fitted now!.
I am a fan of the wagon but not the sound they give off. Lol
Enjoyed the video and like and share thanks DD.
Nice update. I have that model of class 47
Great update Dave. That wall looks great well done with all the hard work that you put into it. Loving the weathered MK1's too they are a great addition to your fleet same with the Cavalax TEA tank wagons. - Nicholas.
Cheers. Yeah I’m chuffed with the mk1’s and the wall :-) Dave
Happy Jubilee weekend! Lovely update video and good ideas with the MK1 carriages, good choice of recent purchases with the Sleeper carriages and TEA wagons! 😜 Good idea as well to use graphite pencil to reduce the squeaks 🐁. I saw of FB that your MK4’s have started to arrive … any other exciting items pre-ordered? I have a few more of the Bachmann Class 90s due soon …. My poor bank! 👍
Fantastic vid 👍💯👍
Great video as always Dave. Interesting point about the squeaky wheels. I noticed that straight away on the video. Don’t know the answer to that. Thanks for sharing. Roy.
awesome video
Hello! just subscribed! I thought I had to be honest :D regularly have a nosy around your excellent layout along with Everard Junction :) I must say you and Everard have the best 80s-era layout in the YT MR community in my humble opinion :) Oh yeah! and you sound like Stephen Hendry! :)
Hi! So kind of you to give me that great feedback. Stephen hendry 😆
Hello. I`m really impressed with your layout. The buildings are out-standing. I have to admit that I do not know the history of Dean Park, but the signalbox in the wall is so reminiscent of Edinburgh Waverley. It looks just right to be there.
Hi, thanks. The signal box is indeed based on the Edinburgh Waverley box! :-)
Hi, very new to Dean Park - loving it. Had a question I’m sure you’ve answered a bazillion times: regarding the catenary, is there a video explaining your modeling goals? Cheers.
Maybe a spot of weathering, similar to the Scot Rail stock, to the test train coaches will "improve" the look? Nice review of the TEAs and fix for the squeaky wheels. The squeakiest wheel gets the graphite! They look nice, but after seeing Richard's review , they'd not like many of my corners.
Yea I saw his review earlier. They don’t seem to like his track. My track work didn’t lose them an issue. I’m sure he will find a solution to his issue.
They can be modified if your curves are particularly tight. Its just one piece of detail on the chassis frame that is easily removed if necessary.
Everad Junction also did a review of the TEA wagons and had same problem with the squeaking and the back to back spacings he went the plastic compatible lube route with super small amount and was successful with fixing it for the time of testing without any sight of it returning. His other problem with them on his layout is entring his storage yards as to help save space he has used Peco curved points and he has found that these TEA wagons will take the outer track perfectly but every time he tries to take the inner line they will derail. Just added this so any that had not seen his review could be warned about the point issue which he ONLY has on the curved ones the rest are no problem and as he stated he thinks it might be more an issue with the points and not with the wagons.
Interesting comment about the Lima mouldings being used for the sleepers. Recently brought a couple of Lime mk1s on a well known auction site and for the price I paid, still pretty good models and representations of mk1s. At three times the price and sold as new, not really acceptable, considering how good other models are now.
12:18 what about some self adhesive rubber to extend the gangways so they fully join up??
To add to your comments on the Mark 3 sleepers, I’ve bought four to replace my old Lima versions and wasn’t expecting much improvement from Hornby as I knew it was the old tooling. But having opened up the first one to transfer the lighting from the old ones (no easy task as the roof and window assembly has to be extremely carefully prised off) I was astounded to find a seating insert inside, even the original Lima interior made some attempt to represent the corridor and compartments in the coach. Very disappointing Hornby.
You have the same squeaking that Richard did at Everard Junction. Clever use of graphite. The gapping issue for tighter curves needs more of a highlighting, not to many people can widen points and curves to get the results EJ and you have.
Hi, yeah the pencil did improve them… to some degree! I could only report on the curves I have on my layout. Everard has tighter curved at his storage yard which these can’t cope with.
The kinematic couplers allow these to traverse tight curves no problem, the close coupling isn't an issue, its the brake detail on the undeframe that limits bogie travel and hence derails in 2nd radius and below. The small portion of brake gear just bogieside of the discharge pipes can be removed if you have tighter curves.
apparently micro-dolip of (plastic friendly) Tamiya grease works to on these "known to be sqeeky" units
Lol at the SNP graffiti. You never saw the Tory "torch" graffitied on anything, did you?
The Tories are regularly mentioned in graffiti. It isn't usually complementary though. 🤣
I always find it funny when people say they hate the tories….they must not be that hated, as they been the party of government in 22 of the last 32 years lol.
@@DeanPark The electoral system we have in the UK has a lot to do with that mate. That, and they own the media. 😏
@@DeanPark I don't think graffiti is a vote winner ...
@@DeanPark Not in Scotland sir, not in Scotland.
Thank you for another interesting and enjoyable video. Maybe to be fair you should have at least summarised a rating for the Hornby MK3 sleeper coaches? I look forward to the next video
Hi. Thanks. It wasn’t really a full blown review like the TEA. So I didn’t bother. But if I was to give them an overall rating it would be 2.5/5…. The score being dragged down by the lack of detail and high price point.
Looks great. Very surprised those tankers are so squeaky straight out of the box; if they'd used brass bearings (as I'd expect for the price), I doubt they would've been this noisy.
I recently discovered that my KR Models Consett iron ore wagons had been shedding their bogie screws, so that's something I had to fix last night which is incredibly annoying. I need hunt couplings for that rake too.
Brass bearings are not really the answer, as Dave has pointed out there is paint in the bearing holes which is not ideal and wasn't on the sample when we were trouble shooting. The answer is to not paint the pinpoints in the first place which we will address in future runs. However blanket suggesting brass bearings (and citing the price as a reason for it despite the model being very competitvely priced against silimar models) is both an additional item and process that could inject further potential issues regarding their fitment and ease of remedial work for the customer should something not quite be right. Plastic pinpoints are a proven design, and work, so there's no need to change that. Indeed our PGA hoppers are probably the most free running model that you can buy and that uses them with no issues.
Hi Lapis, glad you enjoyed the video.
I’m really pleased with the walls and even tolerate those aged mk3 sleepers lol. Which are well decorated by hornby.
With regard to my TEA. I gave them a 4 ‘arrow’ rating as they are a well designed and presented model. I am impressed by the product Cavalex have delivered.
The squeaking was an issue I noticed early in test. I actually contacted one of the Cavalex team who suggested the pencil solution. Which had improved the running and noise on all but a couple of the axles. Which is fine.
Graphite/carbon is a great lubricant in mechanisms. You get graphite paste to use on Kadee couplers which is plastic compatible. I may use that.
Overall a great looking product. But a tweak here and a check there might be needed before running them on your layout. It’s good practice to check back to backs on any new product anyway. :-)
Cheers
Dave
Another great video.
A few comments and questions for you
I agree with you on the sleeper coaches, that moulding shows it age.
What does TEA stand for, this is from a non train person, just enjoy model and real train videos.
Do you have a turn around loop, or do you have to physically move the loco to the other end yourself? I was thinking about before you showed the loco in the other end of the train.
Keep up the good work, soon be time to take the locos off and into storage for the summer, how long does it take you to do this?
Hi, yeah the locos will be getting packed up for a couple of months in the next couple of weeks or so.
I don’t loop my trains through several routes including the storage yard to get them pointing the way I need them :-)
All railway rolling stock has a code to identify its type. These codes are used so the correct types of vehicles are selected when making up a train. The letter T is a Tanker the 2nd letter is the weight category E being 100 tons and the A means it is air braked.
It’s just a shame that UN code 1270 isn’t used anymore and when it was then it wasn’t a code widely used outside of Australia. Maybe 1203 (petrol) or 1202 (diesel) would be more appropriate??
Just an observation Dave, but why didn't you remove the end steps on the Mk1's whilst you were fettling them? Although too modern for me, a good review of the TEA'S.
I wasn’t going to get into repainting the ends etc.
I wanted to know why don’t they dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so they extend the unused abandoned underground stations.
Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock and remix and make them all together and also redesign them overhead line and also make them into 5 cars per unit and also having 2 Disabled Toilets on those 5 cars per unit A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo TD102KF, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXC, Gardner 6LXB And Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into a 11 car per unit so it could have less doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers.
A Stock Trains and also having 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it more bigger and extend it to bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those 4 European countries such as Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Train tunnel into an High Speed train.
The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Train line to make it 8 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those 4 European countries such as Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbish 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 37 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project that is OK for London Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden.
oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden Easily.
Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly line and also build a brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street and also make another brand new tunnel train stations in Chingford and could they extend the DLR.
All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo TD102KF, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel five carriages to disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extend doing roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains.
Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and they can order Every 17 Octagon and Hexagon shape LNER diagram and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 117MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 117MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units can they use those class 55’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 16 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 16 Tonnes for all of the 117 MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!! so Please make sure that the Builders can do as they are Told!! And Please do something about these very important Professional ideas Please Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.😉😅😅😀😀😅😀😀😅😅😀😀😀😀😀😉😅😅😀😀😅😀😀😉😅😉😅😅😀😅😀😀😅😉😅😀😅😅😉😅😀😀👏👏👏👏😉😅😅😀😀😅😀😀😅😅😀😀😀😀😀😉😅😅😀😀😅😀😀😉😅😉😅😅😀😅😀😀😅😉😅😀😅😅😉😅😀😀👏👏👏👏😉😅😅😀😀😅😀😀😅😅😀😀😀😀😀😉😅😅😀😀😅😀😀😉😅😉😅😅😀😅😀😀😅😉😅😀😅😅😉😅😀😀👏👏👏😉😅😅😀😀😅😀😀😅😅😀😀😀😀😀😉😅😅😀😀😅😀😀😉😅😉😅😅😀😅😀😀😅😉😅😀😅😅😉😅😀😀👏👏👏👏😉😅😅😀😀😅😀😀😅😅😀😀😀😀😀😉😅😅😀😀😅😀😀😉😅😉😅😅😀😅😀😀😅😉😅😀😅😅😉😅😀😀👏👏👏👏
If the mk3 sleepers do get retooled, will you make the Sleeper Rake from London Easton to Inverness?
If they get retooled! Doubt they will.
@@DeanPark It’s atleast in someway cheap. but I which the cost was down from 44 to more like 20 quid. Hornby wants cash! Ca Ching! Ca Ching!
While I like and appreciate Cavalex going that extra mile for detail, the price point is that bit extra that it's just too much for me, especially if you want to put together a lengthy prototypical rake of wagons together. It's also a touch disappointing that there's no discount on buying a 3 pack over a single wagon. Personal gripes though, they look absolutely fantastic and something I'd love on my layout
That’s a good point, usually with a triple pack you’d get a few quid off. I’m sure they’ve worked out the margins and decided on a price.
I was surprised by the price. I thought they would be more. They are a lot less than the Bachmann ones and a hell of a lot less than the Revolution ones.
Hi Simon, I would argue that these are very competitively priced in the currrent market. It is getting more and more expensive to produce rolling stock and this gets even more expensive when we have extra detail to consider, both tooling wise and for assembly and finish, we have always tried very hard to keep our prices affordable for the standard that you're getting for your buck. As for the multipack question, you have to consider that we are not providing triple packs to increase sales and as such reward customers for buying more, we are offering multipacks to allow modellers to obtain differently decorated models with varying decals and running numbers. If we were able to offer discounts on a pack of three then we we would be charging too much for the singles and would offer the models cheaper for everyone in the first place.
@@cavalexmodels2081 fair points, especially on wanting to provide the same price point for everyone no matter how many wagons they're buying, that's very commendable thinking about it. My personal issue is that while they are competitively priced especially for the detail, my spending budget hasn't been increasing anywhere near market price increases so I need to be very frugal with what I buy. I'd love a full rake of coaches being pulled by an HST or 91 for example, but not at the cost it'd be for a full train.
It's not a case of me saying your wagons in particular are expensive, just that the hobby itself is expensive and I personally need to pick and choose carefully what I go for. Like I said though, I would love some TEA wagons on my layout, it'd be a case of saving up some pennies for when they're on top of my wishlist
Good to see you replying on here and I agree with your comments. Please can you confirm what other liveries will be coming.
What is the length of these TEA wagons buffer to buffer? Thanks
240mm
It's a shame that hornby are still charging full price for what is essential an old model. The weathering on the coaches is absolutely fantastic. Loving the new cavalex wagons definitely a market leader hornby take note.
Yes it is disappointing.
However Hornby have produced a coach with a good, accurate decoration, it also runs well and without issue. And isn’t that some of what we want from a model?
While hornby have got their issues, quality control being one of them, they can produce a good product and have many years proven track record of doing so.
While they need to look at some of the newer companies on the scene , it’s also true that the newer companies should look at what hornby do well.
I don’t think accurascale and Cavalex (due to their size) are market leading just yet. I’d still say bachmann are the benchmark in terms of range, detail/quality and running characteristics that these companies need to aim for.
I’m excited to see the new Deltic as I think that model could give the new bachmann 47 a run for its money as one of the best mass produced ready to run models ever made.
Richard At E.J. has bought 13 of those Cavelet TEA wagons, and finds that they derail on the points in his fiddle yard.
Due to how tight those curves are. The wagon without modification is minimum 3rd radius. A detail part can be removed to allow tighter curves to be traversed.
@@cavalexmodels2081 Thanks for the info. I've passed your message on to Richard At Everard Junction
It's a shame Cavalex didn't make a version with a flashing tail light fitted.
Kadee make some graphite powder lubricant for use with thier couplings. You could try a small dab of that instead of the pencil.
I didn’t know that. Might try track that down! Thanks.
Graphite powder is a great dry lubricant and much cheaper to buy from amazon rather than as dedcated Kadee product.
Notice how the squealing sound has infected both Accurascale & Cavalex wagons recently, they both need to get on top of it.
I have only really had squeak issues with the BBA and TEA. I had a couple of squeaky mk1 a while ago too. But that’s it. I have to say, for all of their faults I never get squeaky hornby stock!
@@DeanPark yes had a load of recent wagons from AS and all squeaked and have to agree that I've never had squeaky wagons from Hornby, Dapol, Heljan & Bachmann but only from the new players excluding Revolution....hopefully it will be lessons learned for them.
You could try a axle reamer
Yeah I gave that as one of my suggestions. Not tried it yet.
Id favour Hornby retooling those sleepers by doing some kind of mash up with the new sliding door tooling to give a decent mk3a over the Oxford Rail skinny versions that look awful imho.
Ive asked Simon to consider a run of Inter-City coaches in executive livery with correct gangway surrounds roofing detail and the tinted glazing.......
Hmmm, not so sure those tanks ran to Bedworth Dave, it was a Murco terminal back in the 80s and I do not recall seeing them there to be fair, happy to be corrected though. Probably the best known working was the Lindsey-Langley. The 91 test train looks the business even given the ridiculously out of date/over priced Hornby offering.
I read they did. That info came from Cavalex themselves. Could be inaccurate though!
The tanks didn't run to Bedworth in the 80s however they did later in life when owned by VTG.
@@cavalexmodels2081 Was just about to say that maybe in later years without the Total branding.
Great video - but my favourite moment was when my wife stuck her round the door and asked "Is that David Tennant narrating?"
Haha. I’d love to have his performance abilities.
I mean, It’s better if the Scotrail Mk1 s were pristine from the start and not weathered heavily.
Yes agree. As factory weathering is generally rubbish
Why don’t you just get the old 225
As it’s seriously outdated and the mechanism in it is appalling for dcc.
Great work in completing the wall...it really does look good....
One observation i would make concerns modelling graffiti.
It really does beggar belief that the modelling of graffiti does anything for a layout, or for society come to that.
Graffiti is nothing more than a blot on our environment......
The half-wits who spoil our environment....and our real railways with graffiti should not be encouraged...
The wall could easily have been given some character with the addition of some weeds..or grass at the base rather than graffiti.
James Hennighan
Yorkshire, England
Hi, yeah I didn’t want to spoil the fronts of the walls with it but as the area at the top will be an area where people would go to hang out and get up to no good, I added a limited layer of some tags. Some of these will be obscured by bushes but I wanted a little urban graffiti to replicate an area near my local station. Cheers
For £45 a piece those hornby coaches are really terrible 👎 The tankers are very nice and the squeaky wheels are very prototypical at low speed, but Prototypical or not that squeaking would drive me nuts 😖😖😖
Sturgeon and snp makes me embarrassed to have a Scots accent. National embarrassment.
The SNP can be critised, certainly, not least for their gross mismanagement of public transport in Scotland, but quite frankly, I think both Ross and Johnson are far greater embarrassments to the nation. Alba gu brath!
Yes I agree. I loath the saltire now, as they hijacked it for their narrow minded cause. Sadly people don’t see their destruction of our nation. People only see YES and look for someone to blame… and the snp narrative is to blame the Tories, tories, tories and Westminster! It’s everyone’s else’s fault apart from theirs! And a (gullible?) majority of Scot’s fall for their narrative.
@@DeanPark Westminster cause of all evil, except when they're giving money out.... Then it's the UK.
@@andrewoakeshott7759 Very possible every political colour, none are clean. But I bet no English try to soften their accent. I'm ashamed of being from North of the border.
I can’t look at Sturgeon and not see wee Jimmy Krankie 😳🤔😂